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Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast eats hot Dogs, Drake Spears

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Speaker 1: and hands Castro and testingal issues. Check's out. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of Around the NFL. My name is Dan Hansis.

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Speaker 1: I got heroes up here virtually, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler

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Speaker 1: and the Man the Legend, Patrick Claybond. How is everybody

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Speaker 1: good better than Colleen?

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Speaker 2: I hope the question is how are you global traveler?

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Speaker 2: That's the question. That's what we want to know.

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Speaker 1: Listen, a lot of people are wondering, including my own family.

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Speaker 1: Why did you take this mini trip in the middle

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Speaker 1: of a random week to New York? And I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm loyal to the soil. And I felt the need

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Speaker 1: to get home and see some people I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: in a while. And you know, it all took me.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things about getting home and it's great.

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Speaker 1: You know, I got to go to the Yankee and

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Speaker 1: see my brother who works at a bar next to

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Speaker 1: the stadium. I got to go golfing with my uncle

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Speaker 1: yesterday morning. I got to catch up with my sister.

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Speaker 1: Was her birthday on Tuesday, and my parents just got

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Speaker 1: back from their trips. So it's all really nice. And

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Speaker 1: then it all kind of like the cherry on top was.

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Speaker 1: I was down in Jersey on Tuesday night and I

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Speaker 1: just bump into NFL history out of nowhere, justin do

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Speaker 1: we have the shot? I'm at the Summit Elks, incredible establishment,

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Speaker 1: watching the NIXT game and the Yankees game simultaneously in

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Speaker 1: a beautiful place, and all of a sudden, it's on

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Speaker 1: the top two levels of this building in downtown Summit, beautiful,

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Speaker 1: charming town. On the bottom floor is a restaurant. And

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Speaker 1: then I'm told, you know what this restaurant is, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what.

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Speaker 3: Pull it up, viewers, what a shot?

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Speaker 1: Fiorini Restaurantey, That is the restaurant where Derek Carr was

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Speaker 1: told he could be a Hall of Famer with the

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Speaker 1: New York Jets. Pinch me, NFL history. I was literally

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Speaker 1: sitting on top of it, drinking Tito's. So yeah, that

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Speaker 1: has kind of been Ah. That was really the best

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Speaker 1: part of the trip, realizing I was that close to

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Speaker 4: Did they do the thing where like the restaurant owner

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Speaker 4: now has a framed photo of him and Derek Carr,

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Speaker 4: you know, a little sit there for the next twenty

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, I was. I was giving my dollar

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Speaker 1: to the elks upstairs, so I didn't go into the

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Speaker 1: Italian restaurant. In fact, it was closed when I came downstairs.

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Speaker 1: But I imagine there's got to be a plaque or

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Speaker 1: some type of national historic monument documenting when history was

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Speaker 1: made in our country. So that was cool.

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Speaker 2: So it's been a nice trill, like full alternate timeline

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Speaker 2: and just have like pictures of Derek Carr and a

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Speaker 2: Jets jersey like him holding the Lombardi Trophy and handle

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Speaker 2: it the woody. That's what could have been is when

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Speaker 2: you go into Feruzmo, Right.

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Speaker 5: This is where Joe Douglas said, you could be a

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Speaker 5: Hall of Famer on our team if we didn't prefer

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Speaker 5: another guy who's actually a Hall of Famer, And we're

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Speaker 5: just gonna make you wait possibly months for that to

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Speaker 5: end to actually give you an answer on what's going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was talking to my buddy Howie, one of

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Speaker 1: the good Howies by the way, who was like, why

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Speaker 1: do they even do that in retrospect because they were

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Speaker 1: never going to they were never going to sign them,

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Speaker 1: So like, what was the point of that.

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Speaker 3: I guess if Rogers backed out, they didn't know.

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Speaker 5: They didn't know if Rogers when they got on that

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Speaker 5: plane in California, it's Aaron Rodgers. They didn't know for

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Speaker 5: sure what he was gonna do.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't he already signed with the Saints before any

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Speaker 1: of that drama.

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Speaker 3: Pas, That's true. He got sick of waiting. That's a

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Speaker 3: good one.

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Speaker 4: You're Joe Douglass and you just like with no questions,

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Speaker 4: asked expense a fantastic Italian dinner that Derek Carr proper

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Speaker 4: was just like this is how we paved the way

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Speaker 1: You know, you had Nathaniel Hackett there, just like smiling

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Speaker 1: to himself the whole time, the only guy that really

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Speaker 1: knew what was happening. What a comeback for Nate? All right, anyway,

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Speaker 1: enough thing keeping very cool. I'm coming home tomorrow, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: And Mark, and I think Patrick too, it is May

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Speaker 1: the fourth, May the fourth be with you, Live and love.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. Live, long and prosper.

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Speaker 2: That's where it is.

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Speaker 4: Patrick knows that this is a long run gag of

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Speaker 4: Dan's to pretend that you know there's no way to

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Speaker 4: discern between one space fantasy and the next.

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Speaker 6: I would say this, I don't agree with that tweet.

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Speaker 6: You should read that Pat.

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Speaker 1: Well Clavon tweet flashed up this may fourth. Enjoy the

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Speaker 1: fact that Attack of the Klawanes is better than you remember.

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Speaker 3: Four years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's even more true now. Enjoy enjoy the

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Speaker 2: prequels everybody that's watching them today, because I know you're

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Speaker 2: not watching the sequels.

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Speaker 1: So any common piece I'll.

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Speaker 5: I'll give, I'll give a bonus point. I'll give my

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Speaker 5: heart to anyone who knows what usually happens. At this

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Speaker 5: point of the podcast, when Dan brings up me the fourth,

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Speaker 5: I add a little something extra, a little fact about

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Speaker 5: this day as well.

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Speaker 6: What the fact are you going to add?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want.

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Speaker 5: That I was married on this day sixteen years ago too,

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Speaker 5: so before before the arthers took over and took took

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Speaker 4: Well happy in the first three Yeah, I was going

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Speaker 4: to say the branding is very new because now apparently

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Speaker 4: if you look at the certain calendars, the American calendar

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Speaker 4: every day is something.

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Speaker 6: Which is totally absurd.

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Speaker 4: But this this is a little late to the party,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's sort of a money maker. They've

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Speaker 4: re released Return of the Jedi, and you know that

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Speaker 4: you're going to fill George Lucas's pockets with more dollar

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Speaker 4: bills and ten dollar bills.

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Speaker 1: Somebody told me there's a show on one of the

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Speaker 1: streamers now that's about Princess Leah and Luke Skywalker as kids.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how much more can we mind from this ip?

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Speaker 4: No, that was to get into it because you don't care,

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Speaker 4: but it was an obi wan kenobi uh series that

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Speaker 2: But also, don't I have your trophy for not caring.

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Speaker 2: It's it's actually on the way. As soon as you

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Speaker 2: get back to Los Angeles you will get the trophy

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Speaker 2: in the full like Awards presentation for not caring. It's

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Speaker 2: a tremendous accomplishment. I can't be that it has gone

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Speaker 2: unrecognized for so long. Thank you Dan for not caring

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Speaker 2: about Star Wars.

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Speaker 1: Truli. You're welcome, Patrick. And the one, the one last

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Speaker 1: element that usually happens Greg, which I thought was what

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Speaker 1: you were getting to, is Mark. Usually after he gives

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Speaker 1: That usually comes up that the nineteen ninety nine movie

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Speaker 4: Yeah, why argue that, Like everything except the ones that

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Speaker 4: I liked when I was a child are pretty much

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Speaker 4: not my thing. But I know this is a tired

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Speaker 4: trope at this point on the show. I'm annoyed now.

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Speaker 1: No, I enjoy it. Boys, We got a lot to

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Speaker 1: get to. It is. It is time all the silly

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Speaker 1: business we need to transition to going around the NFC.

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Speaker 1: How annoying it was it, by the way, maybe for

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Speaker 1: both you guys, but Mark definitely knew once you clocked

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Speaker 1: that it was May fourth that I was going to

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Speaker 1: do the Star Wars bid again.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just by the nature that the show

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Speaker 4: is scheduled today was an absolute home run that it would.

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Speaker 1: Occur like they took it off the board in Vegas.

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Speaker 5: I mean, We've been doing this show almost as long

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Speaker 5: as I've been married, So you get the same jokes,

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Speaker 5: the same things, the same bits.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna get into it. We're gonna go

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Speaker 1: around the NFC three minutes per teams, three timeouts and

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Speaker 1: Grave Digger, can you jump in for a second, I think, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't your Mini Titans helmet rotating behind you? What

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Speaker 7: Disaster?

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Speaker 1: I told you the motor was being over taxed.

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Speaker 6: That's it's just no tightening.

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Speaker 2: Look at it move.

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Speaker 1: You really got to check out YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Now it's moving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: If this isn't an advertisement to subscribe to us on YouTube,

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What is claivon does? Do you agree that it's moving

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Speaker 1: about twenty percent faster than you would anticipate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's spinning like frighteningly fast, like you want something

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Speaker 2: slow to reveal, like the power of a Titan. But

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Speaker 2: now it's kind of like ddddddd. But what we need

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Speaker 1: Like if you threw like a tennis ball at it

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Speaker 1: That's how fast that helmet.

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Speaker 4: R Yeah, creve digger. Can you not control the Is

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Speaker 6: Maybe the speed it was which it rotates.

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Speaker 7: No, but it like the faster I spin it when

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Speaker 2: So you can push from here on.

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Speaker 7: Just suspending between these two.

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Speaker 5: I guess it's like a short Marcus Mario to pass.

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Speaker 3: It's just like one speed.

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Speaker 1: You know. How about a nice little a nice little tap,

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Speaker 1: a little love tap. By the way, Tannehill spoke to

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Speaker 1: the media yesterday and looked jacked. He looked big. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's got something cooking. I think he might have a

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Speaker 1: as much because he told the media, Hey, man, this

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Speaker 1: is like deja vu. This is the second time they

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Speaker 5: So that might be the most jacked room in the league.

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Speaker 5: There was a lot of theories going around that Will

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Speaker 5: Levis was too jacked to be a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it hurts his throwing.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, just I wanted to apologize because you do

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Speaker 1: wheeled the trank gun for this exercise and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it was effective. Maybe we've developed rhino skin,

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Speaker 1: so if you you were giving clearance to up the

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Speaker 1: trnk Okay.

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Speaker 7: Today, I was wondering if my aim was off, and

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Speaker 7: I was like just shooting but missing, and that's why

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Speaker 4: Then you hit me straight in the pupil, but I

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Speaker 4: kept talking. So I think Dan's point is correct. We

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Speaker 4: need to act as though there's some impact to the weapon.

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Speaker 2: As the dosage becomes more frequent, you had just you

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Speaker 2: become more tolerant. And I think that's the problem. We've

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Speaker 5: I feel like their defense is absolutely loaded, Mazzie Smith

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Speaker 4: All right, Dan, I know you're on the East Coast

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Speaker 1: You gotta trank me.

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Speaker 2: I got twelve seconds there, supply right now.

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Speaker 7: I just want to make sure you know we don't

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Speaker 7: derail the entire show with one trank.

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Speaker 1: Dart Greg the Commanders, all right.

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Speaker 3: The top two picks to me were a little surprising.

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Speaker 5: I honked about Emmanuel Forbes as a guy I loved

446
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Speaker 5: and body diversity, so he went higher than I thought

447
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Speaker 5: sixteenth overall, ahead of Christian Gonzales. And then you take

448
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Speaker 5: another defensive back Jr. Tavis Martin in the second round,

449
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Speaker 5: who's like a nickelback safety type, and I was surprised,

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Speaker 5: and I thought about and I'm just thinking, like, this

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Speaker 5: is Ron Rivera in his fourth season, and if Ron

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Speaker 5: Rivera is gonna go out, he's gonna go out doing

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Speaker 5: what he likes to do, which is defense. And you

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Speaker 5: kind of look up in down this roster. There's not

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Speaker 5: a lot of holes. There's not a lot of spots

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Speaker 5: where you're like, this is amazing. But it looks like

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Speaker 5: a roster that's one seven to seven in eight games

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Speaker 5: over the last three years.

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Speaker 3: That's what it is.

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Speaker 5: There's not many problems other than the quarterback. But I

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Speaker 5: think Rivera's kind of got everything he needs to have

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Speaker 5: a pretty dominant defense especially.

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Speaker 4: That's fine, But like I feel like, because everyone loves

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Speaker 4: Ron Rivera, the person that like another coach with this

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Speaker 4: roster and would be getting killed for like the fifth

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Speaker 4: year in a row, like the most conservative, safe, low

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Speaker 4: octane approach to the quarterback position.

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Speaker 6: Round maybe Sam Howell can do it.

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's like loving like the four quarters. He played against

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys in the finale, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: TVD there, and you got Jacobrey Brissett, who I like,

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Speaker 4: But it's like, what are we aiming for? Like I

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Speaker 4: agree the rest of the roster's kind of set up,

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Speaker 4: but like, why ignore the most important position in today's NFL.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the most dangerous tropes I find in

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Speaker 1: football is the out of contention team plays a young quarterback,

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Speaker 1: sometimes in the very last game, and he plays okay

479
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Speaker 1: to well, and then all of a sudden, there's this

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Speaker 1: idea sometimes it's maybe one or two games or even

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Speaker 1: three games, they you kind of go all in. And

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Speaker 1: while I understand and believe on some level and the

483
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Speaker 1: idea of knowing your roster better than anyone else, and

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Speaker 1: really they are obviously quite fond of Sam Howell to

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Speaker 1: give him this opportunity. With Jake Briskett in the mix too,

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Speaker 1: it is a huge risk and I just don't think

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Speaker 1: that it really lowers the ceiling to me in terms

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Speaker 1: of taking them seriously as a contender.

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Speaker 2: I think the reason and of course, at the time,

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Speaker 2: because we were dealing with Taylor Heinekey and Carson Wentz

491
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Speaker 2: it was like, oh, oh, Sam Howell's balling. He completely

492
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Speaker 2: fifty seven percent of his passes in that game, and

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Speaker 2: it was just that it felt different. And I think

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Speaker 2: with the benefit of hindsight, we're kind of looking back

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Speaker 2: and like, wait a minute, was that good enough? But

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get We're gonna get a chance. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: get a chance to see you know how Eric Binemy

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Speaker 2: draws this up, like, is the offense going to look

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Speaker 2: that much different? And if if Sam Hall can play,

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Speaker 2: and I think you know, with with between the enemy

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Speaker 2: and Rivera, there's enough trust to where if it doesn't work,

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Speaker 2: it's not going to be because of the structure around,

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Speaker 2: it's just gonna be Oh Sam Howell is not it?

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Speaker 2: And then we have an answer.

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Speaker 5: Right, They're pretty deep at receiver. I like their backfield.

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Speaker 5: Oh line's okay, Like Chase Young might be the fourth

507
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Speaker 5: best defensive lineman on this team right now, which is

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Speaker 5: kind of crazy, Like there's reason for them to be excited.

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Speaker 3: It's a better roster than the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Time out, time out, Before we take a break, Just

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Speaker 1: because I was curious, I checked out our Vegas partner

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Speaker 1: bet MGM over unders We got the Eagles at ten

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Speaker 1: and a half, which is a little surprising me. I

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Speaker 1: maybe would have popped them up in the they have

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Speaker 1: the Niners, Bengals, and Chiefs at eleven and a half.

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Speaker 1: I would have definitely put the Eagles at eleven and

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Speaker 1: a half. That surprised me.

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Speaker 5: I think it's that schedule against the AFC East, and

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Speaker 5: is it the NFC West. They have the whole division

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Speaker 5: as a brutal schedule and each other.

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Speaker 1: They got Cowboys at nine and a half, what feels

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Speaker 1: about right. They have the Giants at eight and a half,

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Speaker 1: which feels about right. I would bang the under and

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Speaker 1: the commander is at six and a half given that situation, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would. I would probably bang that the under there too.

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Speaker 5: I like the commanders over. Something about Ron Rivera. He

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Speaker 5: gets to that seventh win, you can start two and five.

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Speaker 5: Every year he gets to that seventh or eighth win.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe let's take a break and we'll hit

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Speaker 1: the NFC North. All right, welcome back. We are going

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Speaker 1: around to the NFC in forty eight minutes. Let's start

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Speaker 1: the clock, Grave Digger, and let's hit the NFC North

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Speaker 1: and the Chicago Bears with Mark Sessler.

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Speaker 4: All right, I think the Bears are slowly beginning to

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Speaker 4: resemble actual Bears. Like I kind of love that they

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Speaker 4: added a massive human being a tackle and Darnell Wright

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Speaker 4: that was a need. They found a kind of pair

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Speaker 4: of front door shaped defensive tackles and Gervon Dexter and

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Speaker 4: Zach Pickens and I think, you know, Ryan Pace, general manager,

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Speaker 4: think there's a real plan here. But I also like,

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Speaker 4: look at a roster that's dangerously thin at pass Rusher,

542
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Speaker 4: which is kind of weird when you're in year two

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Speaker 4: of a regime under a defensive minded coach in Matt

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Speaker 4: ebra Flus. And because I'd argue the Chicago's identity for

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Speaker 4: most of us is really just based around the offense

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Speaker 4: and the destiny of Justin Fields. And I could feel like,

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Speaker 4: if they grow, continue to grow, that you've got like

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Speaker 4: O c Luke Getzi taking head coach interview interviews a

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Speaker 4: year from now and maybe departing. And so it's like

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Speaker 4: I'd see this pressure point with an otherwise optimistic situation

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Speaker 4: in Chicago. It's like, who is Matt ebra Flutes. It's

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Speaker 4: kind of how I felt about Zach and Cincinnati a

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Speaker 4: couple of years ago, Like is he the guy for

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Speaker 4: this rebuilding job? And if he's not, if he's not special, like,

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Speaker 4: are they facing potentially massive transition like an off season

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Speaker 4: from now.

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Speaker 1: I think if they get development from Fields, it will

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Speaker 1: cover up sins on the defense, for instance, and I

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Speaker 1: think it will keep everyone safe. Maybe if things go outstandingly,

560
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Speaker 1: you lose your OC, but I think they this is

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Speaker 1: a team that now is building towards something that I

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Speaker 1: think there's going to be expectations for the first time

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Speaker 1: in a couple of years there. They're going to be

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Speaker 1: expected to contend in what I think is kind of

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Speaker 1: a milk toast division. And if Fields does play at

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Speaker 1: the level they believe he can play, and he now

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Speaker 1: has a number one wide receiver in Dj Moore, I

568
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Speaker 1: think they're going to be, you know, one of those

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Speaker 1: teams like what on the list of who's the Jaguars

570
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Speaker 1: this year? I think the Bears are absolutely in the

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Speaker 1: mix there. But you're right, that's a I would say

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Speaker 1: I would be surprised if they don't find a veteran

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Speaker 1: pass rusher to address that side.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's still plenty of time. And of course,

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Speaker 2: like people were wondering why, like guys like in Gacway

576
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Speaker 2: were still out there. There's a compensatory pick type situation.

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Speaker 2: You gotta wait until after the draft, and then you

578
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Speaker 2: can you can consign guys and not have to risk

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Speaker 2: some compensulatory picks. So I think they can go get

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Speaker 2: a veteran. But in terms of like the rebuild situation,

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Speaker 2: I think the way this team is structured, particularly and

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Speaker 2: you look at them taking right who. Of course, like

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Speaker 2: projection is always a thing, and we look at traits,

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Speaker 2: but with like on the field, Darnell Wright's performance against

585
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Speaker 2: will Anderson in that Alabama Tennessee game was as good

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Speaker 2: of a performance as a tackle had all season in

587
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Speaker 2: all in college football. And so I think, like you

588
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Speaker 2: get solid players up front, and like the rebuild, let's say,

589
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Speaker 2: like justin fields is a total dumpster fire this year.

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Speaker 2: I really don't think the Bears have that much farther

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Speaker 2: to go, considering where they were a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: I think they've come a long way.

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Speaker 5: Fine, I'm gonna take a time out for the hell

594
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Speaker 5: of it. Give the Bears a little extra pop here.

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Speaker 5: I was a little surprised by their picks. They remind

596
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Speaker 5: me of the Saints in that, I think they they

597
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Speaker 5: have their board and they're just gonna go with that.

598
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Speaker 5: And like so, they had a lot of defensive picks

599
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Speaker 5: in the second and third round, Garon Dexter, Senior, Zach Pickens,

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Speaker 5: and then their second round pick was or one of

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Speaker 5: their two second round picks with Tyreek Stevenson the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: They also took Brisker and Kyler Gordon last year, so

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Speaker 5: they've early. So they've taken a lot of picks. Like Eberflus,

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Speaker 5: I'm with you, Mark, Like, show me something because you've

605
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Speaker 5: taken about five second third round picks in the last

606
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Speaker 5: couple of years. You've put a lot of money at

607
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Speaker 5: off ball, linebacker. The receivers look a lot better to me.

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Speaker 5: I think the offensive line. I think they've done a

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Speaker 5: nice job through like two years of team building. And

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Speaker 5: Tyler Scott, I mentioned from Cincinnati, was kind of one

611
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Speaker 5: of those mid round receivers.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 5: I like their roster. I think the expectations should be high.

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Speaker 5: I feel like we haven't said anything nice about the

615
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Speaker 5: Bears in so long, Like they got a shot here.

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Speaker 4: I like what you said, Greg, I would say if

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Speaker 4: this were an actual football game and I was sitting

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Speaker 4: in my cubicle Kittie corner from Greg's cubicle. He'd be

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Speaker 4: going nuts that our team called two timeouts and essentially

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Speaker 4: like the beginning of the second quarter here, it's fair.

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Speaker 3: That's fair.

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Speaker 1: I'm going Kyle Shanahan like, beymy, I'm gonna float. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna put it out there. And by the way, they

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Speaker 1: are a potential need to be included in hard Knocks.

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Speaker 1: They're not covered. The Bears is a potential team team

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Speaker 1: of around the NFL this year.

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Speaker 2: It's a real uphill climb, though, isn't it for the Lions.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he means to pass the Lions. Yeah, my

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Speaker 5: heart's with the Lions right now, it really is.

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Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think anybody's gonna be able

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Speaker 2: to get you guys off that. I truly don't like.

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Speaker 7: Lions fans say if you go to a division rival

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Speaker 7: for the team of atl this season, true, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Mark, I'm already off the Lions. It

635
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: was a great ride, and I hop off that's that's it,

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Speaker 1: that's how it works.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we'll get to Detroit.

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Speaker 4: But it's kind of like it's a bit perilous to

639
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Speaker 4: just expect all the same good vibes all over again.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Detroit.

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Speaker 5: All right, forget you, uh forget, let's build.

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Speaker 3: Let's build on what happened.

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Speaker 5: Forget positions, Hey, forget your consensus grades.

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Speaker 3: Uh draft knicks, no team.

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Speaker 5: I think this offseason drafted more players more likely to

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Speaker 5: play big snaps than Lions. Maybe they're at non premium positions,

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Speaker 5: but Jack Campbell's got to play a lot. Unfortunately for

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Speaker 5: Malcolm Rodriguez. Jamir Gibbs is gonna play a lot. Sam

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Speaker 5: Laporta is probably gonna be their starting tight end.

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Speaker 3: I love that, dude.

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Speaker 5: The Bengals admitted Laporta was at the top of their

652
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Speaker 5: tight end board along with Dalton Kincaid. They were maybe

653
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Speaker 5: gonna take them. Brian Branch at safety was a great pick.

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Speaker 5: So those four guys are gonna play. You have a

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Speaker 5: developmental quarterback and Hendon Hooker. Like that's four quality players

656
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Speaker 5: added to a really talented team. That's good up front,

657
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Speaker 5: Like I'm buying. I'm buying that this thing continues and

658
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 5: it continues, and that they're like a decent sized favorite

659
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Speaker 5: in this division.

660
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Speaker 3: What say you?

661
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: The Vegas people. The Desert people have them easily a

662
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: favorite at nine and a half. Okay, good, that's about right.

663
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Speaker 1: I think they're still I think they can win double

664
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Speaker 1: wins of But the question I had that kind of

665
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: people aren't talking about as much. And I know they

666
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: went and added Gibbs obviously surprisingly and remade the running

667
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: back room and you're actually gonna get Jamis and Williams back.

668
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: And is that offense gonna take a step back? I

669
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Speaker 1: think they were third in many forget what the metrics is,

670
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: but they were top three offense and by many metrics

671
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: last season. Is are they going to take a step

672
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: back with GoF I could see it. I don't. I

673
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: don't have any hard data to back it up. But

674
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: are they going to keep going in that direction? I

675
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: don't know.

676
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: Well, Golf is one of those quarterbacks where like you're

677
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: gonna get peaks and valleys, and it's it's sort of

678
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 4: inevitable that you'd question if next year is going to

679
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Speaker 4: look like last season.

680
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Speaker 6: I think that's really fair.

681
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Speaker 4: And like Brad Holmes who has talked about the idea

682
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: that they might sign him to an extension, there is

683
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 4: belief in them. I don't know Henon hook is an

684
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Speaker 4: older quarterback. When do you want to see him as well?

685
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: But I you know, like maybe Greg, we might have

686
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Speaker 4: a little down on doing the lines against team of

687
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 4: atl But I do think that they're like Chicago. Their

688
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 4: stock that they've got, they have a lot of made

689
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 4: a lot of picks, and I think that they develop

690
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: players really well, like there is.

691
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Speaker 5: Some multi year journey. I feel like we're on with

692
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 5: this team. Now, that's take advantage of the excitement. Let's

693
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 5: not jump off and let's all.

694
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Speaker 2: Right, let's say the offense does fall off, like they're

695
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: not a top five, top three offense. If they're still

696
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: top ten, I think that's a really good football team.

697
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: Down the stretch. They really had some problems down the middle.

698
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: The Panthers absolutely exposed them on that game in Charlotte

699
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: late in the season. The question is can they stop

700
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: those things? I think Jared Goff's gonna give you, Jared

701
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: Goff like you're gonna get the success that you had

702
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Speaker 2: from the offense, especially if Gibbs comes in and he

703
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: plays all the steps that maybe Swift missed in that

704
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: last season. I think I think the offense will be fine.

705
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: The defense is the concerned the money.

706
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Speaker 1: I want to lead a bandwagon. I don't want to

707
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Speaker 1: when that's filled with people.

708
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Speaker 3: But we were here, we were first.

709
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was bandwagon, So why do we do it again?

710
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: Like, let's climb them out and again with somebody else

711
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: get on.

712
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: But it was it was satisfying how it ended against

713
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: the backers. Oh that feels it feels of me.

714
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: So many things in a system through the years. That's

715
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: a toxic stew all. Right, let's move on to the

716
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Packers and Patrick Claiban.

717
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's over. Aaron Rodgers is now a Jet,

718
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: and the best case scenario for Packers fans could be

719
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: the Jets winning the Super Bowl and getting a first

720
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: round pick for Aaron Rodgers. But ultimately, I think the

721
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: biggest question is can these young Packers who haven't been

722
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Speaker 2: who haven't been playing, and not just Jordan Love like

723
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Speaker 2: you talk about Davonte Wyatt, guys on the defensive line,

724
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Speaker 2: what is their future going to look like when they're

725
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: on the field more and more often. I know that

726
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: there are some cap concerns and not the Packers aren't

727
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: necessarily able to throw money at some of these undrafted

728
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: free agents like the Minnesota Vikings are and so my

729
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: big The most confusing thing was Jordan Love and this

730
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: recent deal. I felt like there was more money of

731
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: available for him now. This could be him betting on

732
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Speaker 2: himself three years down the road, And if Jordan Love

733
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Speaker 2: feels comfortable with that, then maybe I feel a little

734
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: bit better about the.

735
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Speaker 3: Green betty against himself.

736
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Speaker 5: The details that came out on uh it was Thursday

737
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 5: were crazy. It means if he does well, he's like

738
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 5: locked in at a low salary, and if he doesn't

739
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 5: do well, he's gonna make Jacobe Brisette money.

740
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Speaker 3: So it was a weird.

741
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 4: It was a weird things like what if there's a

742
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 4: universe we live in And this is a cynical thought

743
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: that Dan I don't want to annoy you with, but

744
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 4: like we all think it's going to go a certain way.

745
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 4: But what if Jordan Love, in a Geno Smith esque fashion,

746
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 4: becomes like the next really solid to great Packers quarterback

747
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: while Aaron Rodgers gets Nathaniel hacketed in New York and

748
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 4: that thing goes totally off the rails of Nathaniel Hackett's

749
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 4: teaching kindergarten a year. For now, I'm just saying, like

750
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 4: we'd seem so unpredictable. But it's like the Packers remind

751
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 4: me of last year's Seahawks, were maybe you come out

752
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: on top of all this.

753
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Speaker 3: I'm optimistic about Love.

754
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could be He could be good, and I

755
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: don't think that would be Like, I'm not gonna be

756
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: upset if Jordan Love does well for the Packers. And

757
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: also Aaron Rodgers thrived with the Hackett in Green Bay,

758
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: so I'm not really worried about that either. I think

759
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: he could certainly be a good player. They've organizationally. I

760
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: know it's different leadership now than it was when Rogers

761
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: and Far entered the Fray, but they deserve the benefit

762
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: of the doubt. I guess my question I would frame

763
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: it this way, like Greg, like what defines success for

764
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers in twenty twenty three, because to me,

765
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: it's different. It's not what it was with Rogers, where

766
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: it was Super Bowl or bust.

767
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 5: If Jordan Love looks like the quarterback of the future

768
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 5: and their offense is good, and if you can go

769
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 5: win the division or have a winning record, all the better.

770
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 5: But they're so young that they have a chance here

771
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 5: with Watson, Dubbs, Jayden Reid who they just drafted, and

772
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 5: then the two tight ends must crave and craft and

773
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 5: they're pretty young in the offensive line relatively other buck there.

774
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 5: If it hits, this team could be set up together

775
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 5: for a long time. The upside is very high because

776
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 5: they're so young.

777
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: Ten but also with the Hall of Fame quarterback. Granted

778
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: there was the thumb injury, but they lost in the

779
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: last game of the season at home to the Detroit Lions.

780
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: So like expectations, maybe let's be a little more realistic.

781
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: The Minnesota Vikings. Let's stick with a little quarterback talk.

782
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: Is this the beginning of the end of the Kirk

783
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: Cousins era? And what an interesting era it's been. I

784
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: was looking at his Pro Football Reference page. He has

785
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: now played five years in Minnesota. This will be a

786
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: six year, so he'll match how long he was with Washington,

787
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: and we've talked about it a lot. I feel like

788
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: we talk about every summer. His numbers are off the charts,

789
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: even though he didn't have a great year last year.

790
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: Over his seventeen game average in Minnesota is forty five

791
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: hundred yards, thirty three touchdowns, eleven interceptions, passer rating, you know,

792
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: hovering around one hundred. I mean, it's everything you want.

793
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: They've been to the playoffs twice, they won one play

794
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: game in that time. Obviously, they were a five hundred

795
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: team until last year's bizarre thirteen and four that ended

796
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: with a very like oh yeah, that's what we thought

797
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: playoff loss to the Giants. So I'm curious if Cousins,

798
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: if this is the end, can he can he save himself?

799
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: And I don't think he can in Minnesota unless he

800
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: has like a far of year after Jordan Love got

801
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: drafted where he really balls out at an MVP type level.

802
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: Otherwise they think they reset Nick Mallins is also a

803
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: free agent after this year, they'll have a clean break

804
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: at QB.

805
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: I thought they were like a real solid Kennedy to

806
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 4: take a quarterback this year, and you know, next year's

807
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: draft has some treats in it as well, and like

808
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: it feels like if you're Kevin O'Connell, it is a

809
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: massive year to find out what you really think about

810
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins and what he can be, because like do

811
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 4: you tie your coaching future to him or not? Because

812
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: I think if you're Kevin O'Connell and you've had success

813
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 4: like a rookie just gives you a whole new lease

814
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 4: on life in a couple of seasons to develop said rookie,

815
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 4: and people want to have patients around that. I mean,

816
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 4: what can help Kirk Cousins more though than Brian Flores

817
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 4: who looms is like a coaching assistant Coach of the

818
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 4: Year type candidate with the worst defense in the league.

819
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 4: That you know they've added a few pieces, but just

820
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 4: it's going to be a better unit in general. I mean,

821
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: they won all those games in the last minutes, so

822
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 4: maybe that doesn't change the regular season win total, but

823
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 4: that unit not being a comprehensive apocalyptic disaster would help

824
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: a lot for Kirk Cousins.

825
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: In the offense, they certainly got younger on the defensive

826
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: side of the ball. I think for Kevin O'Connell, though,

827
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: when he had that success in year one, perhaps he

828
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily need the rookie quarterback. I'll call it excuse,

829
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: like we have to develop with this guy, and so

830
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: like there can be a down year in the middle

831
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: because everybody will go back to the way it started.

832
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: I think Kevin O'Connell will be just fine after this season.

833
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: If let's say things go horribly wrong. If the one

834
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: score results flip in the Vikings don't finish with nine

835
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: wins or eight wins or even seven. I think he

836
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: can be just fine.

837
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 5: I worry about their defense. The defensive backfield sec the

838
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 5: cornerback position is one of the worst in the league.

839
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 5: You're asking a lot out of Flora's cousins. Is also

840
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 5: going to be thirty five. We expect quarterback like, don't

841
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 5: get old anymore. But he did, I think have his

842
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 5: worst season in Minnesota last year.

843
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: So that's that's a big concern. Those two things to

844
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: get I do love the Addison.

845
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: Flor Flores doesn't have a lot to work with, but

846
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: it can't be much worse than they were.

847
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it was bad.

848
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: Oh, get out of here with that. I ducked.

849
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 3: It's the playoffs. Let him play.

850
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: Caught me.

851
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break. And then when we

852
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: returned the NFC South, all right, we are back. We

853
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: are halfway home. We moved to the South and the

854
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: frisky Atlanta Falcons with Patrick claibn.

855
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely and so they all we talked about positional value

856
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: with the Detroit Lions, and of course there was consternation

857
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: when the best running back on the board. I think

858
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: that was consensus. He'son, Robinson goes off in the top

859
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: ten to Atlanta. He's already gonna wear number seven, which

860
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: of course invokes a lot of feeling and emotion from

861
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: people in Atlanta. The number is kind of sack for

862
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: for folks who you know, watch football in the South

863
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: for a long time, and so they're gonna be going

864
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: and there's enough talent around Desmond Ritter that that they

865
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: can do something. I don't think the question is necessarily

866
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: about Desmond Ridder. I'm looking over on the other side.

867
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: They get Matthew Bergern in the second round, a solid tackle.

868
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: Zach Harrison is kind of a trades guy, like a heightweight,

869
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: speed guy that didn't necessarily have the production at Ohio State.

870
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: He was a five star guy, and they make additions

871
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: in the secondary of well, of course there's the trade.

872
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: So I think Terry Fontna has been active. But can

873
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: this Falcons defense provide enough for people to feel good

874
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: about the offense because we know what they're gonna do,

875
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: But if it's not translating to wins and losses, then

876
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna feel a different way about Arthur

877
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: Smith in this offense and Desmon Ritter as well.

878
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 5: They got better up front like Anyamada and Calys Campbell

879
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 5: with with with Grady Jarrett still there, they're definitely better

880
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 5: on the back end with Jesse Bates, they bring in

881
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 5: a Kuda, they draft Clark Phillips like, but it's the

882
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 5: Jets thing that this has replaced John Abraham as the

883
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 5: Falcons haven't had an edge rusher since I don't even

884
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 5: know who was the last Falcons ed rusher. They have

885
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: no one still. It's Bud Dupree and Lorenzo Carter.

886
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: Dude, it's John Abraham.

887
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: It was John Abraham. Mind blown, it was Abraham. They

888
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: also don't have any receivers.

889
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 7: So Beasley had like a sixteen sex season.

890
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but okay got one season.

891
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 5: They have the worst two to three receiver combo too

892
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 5: this side of Tennessee Mac Collins and I don't even

893
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 5: know who their third receiver. It could be Scotty Miller,

894
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 5: who knows. I I want to throw one thing out.

895
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 5: I did hear a little buzz Tannehill that they still

896
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 5: might want Tannehill, but this that they did that I

897
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 5: don't know if it's both ways, but that they might

898
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 5: still Wantahill?

899
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 6: How about this?

900
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, Mark, go ahead.

901
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 4: No, I just said, there's also there's out there that

902
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 4: the Titans have looked at Tannehill as someone that they

903
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: might bench for Will Levis if they get off to

904
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 4: a rough start. So if that's the feeling around Tannehill,

905
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: it's like they would be willing to part with them

906
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: if Atlanta came with a heat seeking offer.

907
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: I mean, how about this, I'll lay it out there.

908
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: If they make the move for Tannehill, we turned that

909
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: bandwagon into a tank and we gass it up with

910
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: diesel fuel. And the Falcons are the team of around

911
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: the NFL. I need them to bring in Tannehill. But

912
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: I love that team with a veteran presidence, a quarterback

913
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: with some past history.

914
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 6: You would have my co sign immediately on that.

915
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: And I also think like one thing that might help

916
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: the defense is like they're building an offense that could

917
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: have like fifteen play twelve minute drives here and there.

918
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 6: I mean the.

919
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: Right they really could. That's fun. Gregy the Carolina Panthers

920
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: with Mark Sessler.

921
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 4: I love Dan's new look concepts about Atlanta. That's that's

922
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 4: exciting to me. The Panthers could use or pass rushing

923
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: health you guys were premature to the dance.

924
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: I am here where we should have been here.

925
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 6: You asked us to be visionary. I think we were.

926
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 4: We saw the makings of and now we're we're on

927
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 4: the doorstep here. I do wonder if the Panthers, like

928
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 4: you know, they could use a pass rusher. Absolutely, and

929
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 4: like to your point Patrick before that, there are still

930
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: guys sitting out there like in Gocway, Leonard Floyd is

931
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: out there. But in general, I know this has sort

932
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 4: of been said, but I really think it's true that

933
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: this is a great place for a rookie quarterback compared

934
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 4: to like where Sam Darnold went a couple of years ago.

935
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 4: It's like usually you're showing up into a war scene,

936
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 4: and I mean, I'm a little concerned about their wide outs.

937
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: But then you hear like Frank Reich talking about Jonathan Mingo,

938
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 4: the second rounder. It just seems like he's a perfect

939
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 4: scheme fit. So there's a little bit of a TVD

940
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 4: factor with that part. But I like the O line

941
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 4: and it's you know, this team nearly won this division

942
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: a year ago, and I just wonder if they are

943
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 4: maybe a little bit of a sleeping giant if Bryce

944
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: Young was what we think he can be out of

945
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: the gate, or are they just a normal size sleeping being.

946
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's asking a lot looking at

947
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: you know, Mingo coming in, considering what what Bryce has

948
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: played with in the past. I mean, we're waiting, we're

949
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: still waiting to see what John Metchi is able to

950
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: do in Houston. But considering like the talent and the

951
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: type of offense that that they've that they've had in

952
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: the past, I think it's a lot to ask for

953
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: this current receiving group. You know, you would like to

954
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: have DJ Morbich. You know, that's the only way you

955
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: get Bryce Young in the first place, right, And so

956
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: it's it feels like a big ask. I think Bryce

957
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: is gonna be fine, but you do need that guy,

958
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: like you need a guy that can consistently get open.

959
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: And I don't know who it is. For the Carolina Panthers, right.

960
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 5: There are four guys at least, it's not like they

961
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 5: don't have any guys. They have feeling, they have Mingo,

962
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 5: they have DJ Shark, and they have Harris Marshall. I'm

963
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 5: just saying, like, compared to thee the Falcons or Titans.

964
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: They have four guys who can play football. I think

965
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: at the NFL level, I.

966
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: Think there's a low they can play football. I like

967
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: the Miles Sanders move with Hubbard. I think Hayden Hurst

968
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: is a bit of an underrated talented tight end even

969
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: though he's a first round pick. He's settled in as

970
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: a solid pass catching tight end. I think they do

971
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: need Mingo to give him something year one out of

972
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: the gate, and they they gave Feeling a decent amount

973
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: of money. They need theland to show he's got some

974
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: guests in the tank. Otherwise, Yeah, I think there he's

975
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: in a better position young than Shroud is in Houston

976
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: right now. But it's a question mark. I agree with that.

977
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 5: I want I'm curious to how the old pieces for

978
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: the last Panther's defense fit with Ajiro Everro's defense because

979
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 5: it's like a three four defense and they've got talent.

980
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 5: But you mentioned Brian Burns is coming off a major injury,

981
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 5: might not be ready, Like there's not much edge rushing.

982
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 5: Some of the pieces fit a little weird, and so

983
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 5: their their defense might take a step out.

984
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: Two one said all all that needed to be said.

985
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: The new Orleans Saints the Nobland Saints. They go defense, defense,

986
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: defense at the top of the draft with Brian Breese

987
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: and Fosky Dt and the defensive end first two rounds.

988
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: Then they get some necessary Alvin Kamara protection with third

989
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: round pick Kendrick Miller at a TCU. I think there's

990
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: no doubt in the Chris Alabby as a stud who

991
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: can enter superstar territory in year two. Michael Thomas is

992
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: a huge question mark, and they're penciling him in and

993
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: hoping he's going to finally stay healthy. We'll see. They're

994
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: putting a lot of eggs in the Juwan Johnson basket

995
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: at tight end, and they made a trade. Adam Troutman

996
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: was traded to the Broncos. Foster Moreau was on their

997
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: radar and then he got six, So they really do

998
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: need that tight end position to shake out. My question

999
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: is with Derek Carr there. I know the NFC is

1000
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: not great shakes right now, so you don't need to

1001
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: have an elite offense and tons of weapons. But with

1002
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: cars the QB, is this enough to be a functional

1003
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: better than average offense or does a smell like an

1004
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: average type unit to you?

1005
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 5: M I think it's a good offense potentially. I think

1006
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 5: it's the strength of their team. Now, their offensive line

1007
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 5: freaks me out because like almost everyone on that offensive

1008
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 5: line has some sort of injury concern.

1009
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: They have a lot of continuity.

1010
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 5: But if everyone's healthy, Like, I'm more worried about the

1011
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 5: defense taking a step back that and I think they

1012
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 5: had to invest in the defense. And I think their

1013
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 5: picks were normal, which is rare for the Saints on defense,

1014
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 5: and I liked them. They were gonna take Mingo. According

1015
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 5: to Saints' Twitter podcast, they had pretty strong reporting saying

1016
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 5: like Mingo was their pick and then their division rival

1017
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 5: took them, but they got Fosk and said, but so

1018
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 5: I'm a little worried that the offense will be good,

1019
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 5: but if the defense is just mediocre, like, that's not

1020
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 5: how this team is built.

1021
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 6: And if Derek cars under, I'll go ahead, Patrick, no.

1022
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 2: Any any aging defense. Right when you go up the middle,

1023
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 2: you got Cam and then to Mario and then Tyron. Right,

1024
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: there's concerns for like how this team is gonna But

1025
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: if those guys were able to stay all season and play,

1026
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: I think they could be successful. I think they're gonna

1027
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: be a contender. Is the question, like, is Derek Carr

1028
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: a significant grade over Andy Dalton. I think that answer

1029
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: is yes, and I think bardikers will.

1030
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: Well that was gonna be my comment though, like I

1031
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: think he is on paper and upgrade over Andy Dalton.

1032
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 4: But Andy Dalton was like a like a flaming metrics

1033
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: starling last year and played pretty well for them.

1034
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 6: It wasn't like they had terrible quarterback plays.

1035
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 4: So I guess you got to go in and number

1036
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: one be as good as Andy Dalton was last year,

1037
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 4: which I think is possible. But like Derek Carr is

1038
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 4: coming off a pretty terrible campaign. And the other thing

1039
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: that I used to always have hope in with the

1040
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 4: Saints was no matter who you put on the field,

1041
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 4: like your coaching staff was gonna make that thing sing

1042
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: and they were gonna be there in December and January.

1043
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 4: It's like Dennis Allen is like probably for me like

1044
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 4: top five least interesting special coaches in the league, and like,

1045
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 4: I don't know, it just sort of feels like they're

1046
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,479
Speaker 4: rolling down the hill in neutral right now a little

1047
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: bit with all the big positions.

1048
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Hey, Downhill's good, though, I should mention Taysom Hill also

1049
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: he's not doing the QB packages too much anymore. Wouldn't

1050
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: think with Carr there, so he's a tight end option.

1051
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: He did some things last year and finally Mark said,

1052
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: flaming metrics garm I love it, he was, that would

1053
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: be a that's a good fantasy team name for people

1054
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: looking looking to get it out there.

1055
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, wouldn't you agree though?

1056
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 2: That?

1057
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: Like he was like pff just loved him to the

1058
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 4: end of time.

1059
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 6: I dodged that.

1060
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: Do you want to do you want it? You can.

1061
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: We got a lot more, but it's up to you. No,

1062
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: all right, he just took the trnks. That means the

1063
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: conversation's over. Mark. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Greg Rosenthal, this is.

1064
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: A truly bizarre roster.

1065
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 5: It looks like a roster where you suddenly got Tom

1066
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 5: Brady and then you built a team around Tom Brady

1067
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 5: and everything tom Brady wanted, and then Tom Brady is

1068
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 5: no longer there. So that's what I guess. That's why

1069
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 5: it's a bizarre looking roster. It's very thin, but there's

1070
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 5: actually still good players on it. They see very focused

1071
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 5: on defense though they took Colijah Canty in the first round.

1072
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 5: Yah ya dabi An d Dresser in the third. It's like,

1073
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 5: this defense needs to be better, Todd Bowles, for you

1074
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 5: to kind of justify everything going into this defense, because

1075
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 5: the offense I ain't gonna be good with with Baker

1076
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 5: Mayfield as your quarterback or Kyle Trask as your quarterback.

1077
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: I mean, the one thing though, is like, the the

1078
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 4: one thing I'm thinking about Baker Mayfield is like, I agree,

1079
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 4: he's like there. You keep thinking like they must have

1080
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 4: had another plan still at that position, and maybe they don't,

1081
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 4: but but how frustrating. I know it's Tom Brady and

1082
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 4: there's no comp between any quarterback and Tom Brady, but

1083
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: that was one of the like the least watchable, most

1084
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 4: frustrating attacks league wide a year ago. So it's like

1085
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 4: maybe there was a way for them to simply not

1086
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 4: be that. But I am a little concerned, like when

1087
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 4: I see.

1088
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 6: Newport could be worse.

1089
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 4: It could be worse, because the one thing that stands

1090
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 4: out to me is like you hired is it Dave

1091
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 4: Canally is your offensive coordinator who in his intro presser

1092
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 4: acknowledge that he's never called plays at the NFL level obviously,

1093
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 4: but or even in college, And like the studies on

1094
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 4: guys jumping into that for the first time, and I

1095
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 4: mean unless you got Bruce arians in your ear somewhere

1096
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 4: from another part of the building. Like those guys struggle

1097
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 4: because you're put into situations you've literally never been in,

1098
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 4: and like the pressure, the volume couldn't be turned up higher,

1099
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 4: and so there is an implosion factor there with that

1100
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 4: whole side of the ball.

1101
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: We brought it up with when he had his moments,

1102
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: And there's something about Baker that he has just this

1103
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: like juice that does draw people toward him, and I

1104
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: think sometimes it can obscure vision on things like if

1105
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: he wasn't Baker and his production was what it was,

1106
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't think the Bucks are going into the season

1107
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: with him and Kyle Trask. In fact, to go through

1108
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: eight draft picks and not a dress quarterback was one

1109
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: of the more surprising draft decisions any team made. I

1110
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: have him a twenty ninth twenty ninth in the Power

1111
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: rankings because, like you're saying, Greg, I see kind of

1112
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: a weird aging, but also unsure where it's going team

1113
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: without a quarterback.

1114
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the circumstance of trying to contend and a

1115
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: few of those guys still being on the roster. It

1116
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: felt like, Okay, well, well maybe they can go get somebody.

1117
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: And then there's somebody that they get is Baker Mayfield,

1118
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: and you just wonder, like, clearly Baker can deal with turnover,

1119
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: he can deal with different guys in his ear. But

1120
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: there's so much that there's so many things that can

1121
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: go wrong. But I think maybe we were obscured that

1122
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: the fact that it was Tom Brady and it was bad.

1123
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be difficult for them to be

1124
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: significantly worse on offense than they were last year. It

1125
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: was just like, because it was twelve, it was, oh,

1126
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: you know, they'll they'll be back. They won that game

1127
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 2: against the Seahawks, and I thought firmly, oh Tom's gonna

1128
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: win another Trooper Bowl. I'm gonna hate my life. But

1129
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: it didn't happen.

1130
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Final Division the NFC West, starting with

1131
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: Pat Clayban. People don't call him Pat.

1132
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:50,959
Speaker 3: Never heard Pat?

1133
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: Are you okay? Does that bother you? Pat?

1134
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 6: No?

1135
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: I prefer ernest, impatience. Put put Patrick on the old BERTHSA.

1136
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna go with strong Nan Patrick Lack.

1137
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: I trust their judgment the Cardinals. Yeah, let's talk about

1138
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals. A lot of turnover and so many

1139
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: Austin Fork comes in, Jonathan Gannon comes in, They're able

1140
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: to bring one tackle back. They get Paris in the

1141
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: first round, and I think it a good value. They

1142
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 2: traded out of that pick once the Caserio maneuvering happened

1143
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: at the top of the draft, and I think that

1144
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: was a good play for both teams considering what was

1145
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: on the board. The question is, because the Arizona Cardinals,

1146
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: looking at things if Kyler does not play, could be

1147
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: on paper, one of the worst teams in the NFL.

1148
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: Because of that trade, they could be looking at two

1149
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: very early picks. And so ultimately, are we even looking

1150
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty three Arizona Cardinals as anything at all?

1151
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: Or is it all about twenty twenty four? Because when

1152
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: I peruse the Cardinals materials and the things the fans

1153
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: are talking about, they're not even concerned about twenty three.

1154
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: It's just thinking about the possibility of what could happen

1155
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: in twenty four.

1156
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 4: I love this question because I am optimistic about this

1157
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 4: team now. Where you know, before the draft and before

1158
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 4: a couple of months ago is like this, just the

1159
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 4: energy is so poor here. But I think they got

1160
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 4: rid of a lot of the bad energy characters. And

1161
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 4: now you're looking at two firsts, a second, three thirds,

1162
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 4: two fourth, two fists, and a seventh and next in

1163
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 4: next year's draft.

1164
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 6: I mean, you can do anything.

1165
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 4: You can reorganize who you are as a team completely.

1166
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 4: So it is the one team that stands out there

1167
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,959
Speaker 4: where it's like, yeah, you know, if you're a season

1168
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 4: ticket holder, go drink a bunch of beer, buy some popcorn,

1169
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 4: but wait for the results to come a year from now,

1170
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 4: because they aren't coming this time around.

1171
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if I'm if I'm the Cardinals, and take

1172
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: your time, Kyler Murray, like we don't need to have

1173
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: some miraculous Adrian Peterson recovery here. And I know that's

1174
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: not what anybody wants to hear. And if you're a

1175
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray fan, you want to see your favorite player

1176
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. But this is a team that

1177
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: sets up very well as a preseason Darling next year

1178
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: if things break a certain way. And most importantly, Murray

1179
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: is himself and healthy one hundred percent, so it is

1180
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: patients And yeah, if the fan base is down with that.

1181
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: That's even better because you don't have to worry about

1182
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: that pressure.

1183
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 5: I kind of can't believe that Colt McCoy would be

1184
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 5: their Week one starter though, just because of I mean,

1185
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 5: he had another concussion last year, he had injured this.

1186
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 5: I don't want to see it for him and you

1187
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 5: certainly I don't think you can expect him to play

1188
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 5: six and games.

1189
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 3: Teddy Bridgewater is still out there the tank.

1190
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: I think to set them up, they want the highest possible.

1191
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: So does Kyler Murray not play then this season? I

1192
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 3: think that's possible.

1193
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 6: That's a possibility.

1194
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 5: It's still hard in the NFL to tank because yes,

1195
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 5: they look pretty bad, like I deserve combat pay for

1196
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 5: trying to do their front seven on projected starters. I

1197
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 5: have no idea who's in their front seven, but they

1198
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 5: do have like good tackles. They're pretty deep at wide

1199
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 5: receiver like the NFL like there. This isn't like the

1200
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 5: SEC where they're Vanderbilt. They could easily stumble into six

1201
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 5: wins somehow because it's just like, I don't.

1202
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: Know, terrible QB play is kind of the fail safe

1203
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: to make sure you keep that.

1204
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but is Kyler going to sit out so that

1205
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: they can draft Caleb Williams number one overall.

1206
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: I think that's juicy, and therein lies the rub of

1207
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, the LA Rams.

1208
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 5: Greg Rosenthal, I am kind of fascinated to see about

1209
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 5: what happens with this team. This is a truly bizarre

1210
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 5: experiment they are going on. They drafted fourteen players, then

1211
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 5: they signed twenty four undrafted free agents. For comparison, like

1212
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 5: the Giants signed nine, the usual numbers, you know, nine, ten, eleven, they.

1213
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 3: Signed twenty four.

1214
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 5: So they have thirty eight rookies currently on their roster.

1215
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 5: Over forty percent of their roster right now are rookies,

1216
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 5: and looking at their depth chart, a lot of them

1217
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 5: have opportunities to play, like probably five or six of

1218
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 5: them just because of the numbers, will wind up being starters.

1219
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 5: Because their whole defense on paper has Aaron Donald and

1220
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 5: even a worse roster than the Cardinals, I would say,

1221
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 5: like the most questionable defensive roster in the league. I

1222
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 5: just it's funny how hard they pivoted from the win

1223
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 5: now thing to we have forty percent of our roster

1224
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 5: with the rookies. I am kind of interested because it's

1225
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 5: not a crazy idea bring in twenty four rookies like.

1226
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: If eight hit hell, we got an amazing rookie Clay.

1227
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: Even if it's saying that for one hundred years though, Yeah.

1228
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: But they've never done it in this number. This is

1229
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: truly record breaking numbers FM picks the reverse.

1230
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 4: I think the thing that stands out that doesn't fit

1231
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 4: with what they're doing is like, are you putting Matthew

1232
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 4: Stafford through this if it goes really poorly out of

1233
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 4: the gate. And there's just a part of me that

1234
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 4: feels like, yet, you know what if you want to

1235
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 4: reboot and you're gonna do all this like next year,

1236
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 4: a quarterback makes a lot of sense in the draft,

1237
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 4: but you also have Stetson Bennett, and it's like, where's

1238
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 4: the inflection point on maybe we get more draft picks

1239
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 4: by moving Matthew Stafford to a team that lost their

1240
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 4: quarterback in August or before the trade deadline and find

1241
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 4: out what you have in stets and Bennett because how

1242
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 4: I kind of like what they're doing, and it's like

1243
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 4: they at least think differently if they want to pivot,

1244
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 4: like I trust them to go try a new avenue

1245
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 4: and they'll be interesting to watch just becase because of this,

1246
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: or they'll be terrible.

1247
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 6: But we understand what they're doing.

1248
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 4: But why not find out what you're having stets in Bennett,

1249
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 4: I just it feels depressing have Matthew Stafford with them

1250
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 4: for seventeen games if they're gonna win four of them.

1251
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that goes and that goes for Cooper Cup, right,

1252
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: it goes for ad as well, Like why are we

1253
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: watching these guys in this city, in this stadium not

1254
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: necessarily run out a team they can compete.

1255
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 5: I think they think they can compete on offense. I

1256
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 5: think they think they can be a top ten offense.

1257
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 5: On paper, the offense looks okay.

1258
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: You feel like to me like a team without a country,

1259
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: Like they have too many high priced that's to fully

1260
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: rebuild and not enough young talent to develop. And it

1261
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of puts them this weird twilight zone. And that's

1262
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: why they're a really hard team to kind of peg

1263
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: right now, because you're right, McVeigh did come back, and

1264
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: they have Cooper Cup back and Matthew Stafford is healthy.

1265
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: Just that with decent line play, I think they'll find

1266
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: a way to score points. But you still need a

1267
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: lot of things to work out for even that to happen.

1268
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: Ten weird, super weird.

1269
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 3: We got cam Akers back, We got a three Bobby Skarnick.

1270
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: Time out, then use our third time out because I

1271
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: just it was very compelling. Clayban dropping out, little Kyler Murray,

1272
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams nug at the end of that convo, and

1273
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about it, and I gotta be honest,

1274
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: kind of preoccupied in my thoughts a little bit during

1275
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: the Rams talk. They don't give me much druice. It

1276
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: almost gives you more reason to think the cards keep

1277
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: him in bubble wrap, don't risk anything, and then you

1278
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: could shop him in the off season, like, hey, he's

1279
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: fully recovered from this knee. You saw what he was

1280
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: like when he was healthy. They go get Caleb Williams,

1281
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: and it's more reason to keep Kyler on the bench. Now, Well, Kyler,

1282
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: if that ever happened, would Kyler start speaking out in

1283
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: the media. They've had a rocky relationship at times. It

1284
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: does feel like potentially Patrick a grenade that the pin's

1285
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: been pulled and it's just sitting there and people are

1286
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: waiting to see if it will explode.

1287
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: Well, with all the turmoil at the top. What if

1288
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: the Kyler free season isn't necessarily an evaluation of the

1289
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: future with Kyler, it's an evaluation of Jonathan Gannon in

1290
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: one year to see what with all this chaos going on,

1291
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: because chaos is something that he inherited with this franchise.

1292
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 2: They've been through a lot considering the decisions at the

1293
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: top of the people who have been making those decisions.

1294
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: And so you give Jonathan Gannon a year to see

1295
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: whether it's Kyler, whether it's capable, is whether it's the

1296
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: kid out of UNC whoever it is, Like, is this

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Speaker 2: the structure that we have on this team that we

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01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: want to have in the future. And I think the

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Speaker 2: values there regardless because the Arizona Cardinals won't be the

1300
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: only team that's interested, Like everybody that was picked and

1301
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: all the free agent moves, like, there's going to be

1302
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: some team that's disappointed with their quarterback situation and it's

1303
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: going to want the kid out of LA you.

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Speaker 3: Know see, ye best way to they can just they

1305
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 3: can just have the pick if they have the worst record.

1306
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but like you know what, like and we brought

1307
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 4: we actually discussed this on we were loopy, but in

1308
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 4: our Round one draft night coverage. Uh, this scenario, because

1309
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 4: I think you have to look at Kyler Murray as

1310
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Speaker 4: someone that was brought there primarily as a Cliff Kingsbury guy,

1311
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 4: new regime. Now the one this these things maybe don't matter,

1312
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 4: but like the entire front office and like coaching staff

1313
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 4: went to Kyler Murray's statue unveiling and Kyler Murray sort

1314
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 4: of said he was surprised and a good way to

1315
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 4: see how much overt support they were giving him. That

1316
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean anything to me a year from now though,

1317
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 4: And I think they're in a great position because I

1318
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 4: think Kyler Murray would be very tradable to your point,

1319
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 4: to a number of teams and like if you want

1320
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 4: a fresh start, because like it's like I think Kyler

1321
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 4: Murray has these traits that are like unmatchable, but the

1322
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 4: overall Kyler Murray experience is very replaceable if you get

1323
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: someone else you just believe in more. I don't think

1324
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 4: there's anything abut Kyler Murray where it's like there's no

1325
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 4: way we can move on from this guy.

1326
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 6: It's like, yes you can.

1327
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: Well, Nathaniel Hackett is back in the NFL.

1328
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 5: Cliff Kingsbury is not m financially to where is Kingsbury?

1329
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 5: Didn't he take an assistant job.

1330
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: He's a quarterbacks coach of USC's.

1331
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 6: Consultant quarterback coach ship.

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Speaker 3: That's a nice way to keep keep that paycheck coming.

1333
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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of you know you were your mind was drifting

1335
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 5: with the Rams, Dan, can I intrigu you can I

1336
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 5: interest you in a little nugget as the owner of

1337
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 5: Kicker Corner, as a man who likes to go to

1338
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 5: the Kicker Club. Their entire special teams unit right now,

1339
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 5: which didn't exist before the draft, is complete with only

1340
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 5: seventh a seventh round pick and undrafted free agents. Their punter,

1341
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 5: their kicker, their long snapper. I don't know if their

1342
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 5: holder is, but it so that I don't know if

1343
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 5: that's disrespectful to the Kicker Club, but that's the entire

1344
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 5: Special teams right now is seventh rounders and undrafted free agents.

1345
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: Smells like trouble Greggys, like trouble time in Seattle, Seahawks.

1346
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 4: Mark all right, The NFC has waved farewell to Tom

1347
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 4: Brady and Aaron Rodgers. The Bucks and Packers are just

1348
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 4: sort of wait and see entities. The Rams and Cardinals.

1349
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 4: We just talked about. They are both overtly tanking before

1350
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 4: our eyes. The Niners are trustworthy, but gambling on the

1351
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 4: Rock Party, well, I mean.

1352
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Speaker 6: They're not going. They're not a super Bowl team that year.

1353
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the Niners like, let's see, Like I love

1354
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 4: the Brock Party thing, but they are hoping that Brock

1355
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 4: Party is last year's Brock Party or Trey Lance is

1356
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: actually something at all. And so outside of Greg, all

1357
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 4: of America slept on the Seahawks a year ago, and

1358
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 4: I wonder if we are still asleep. Because they have

1359
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 4: the best wide out group in the conference. You've got

1360
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 4: a nasty runner in Kenneth Walker to now pair with

1361
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 4: Zach Charvina. You've got a star in Tarika Wolan across

1362
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,959
Speaker 4: from first round cornerback in Devin Witherspoon. You got Pete

1363
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 4: Carroll strutting up and down the boulevard like a thirty

1364
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 4: five year old.

1365
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 6: Why are they not talked about as a team with

1366
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 6: a legitimate super Bowl window in a terrible NFC.

1367
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 3: Daddy likes it. I don't think you're crazy. They might

1368
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 3: be my third favorite.

1369
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 5: I don't think it almost worries me because I think

1370
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 5: there's a pretty decent case, you could make of them

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Speaker 5: as like the third best team in the NFC me personally,

1372
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 5: just looking at their roster, whether whether it's the Cowboys

1373
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 5: or the forty nine ers or third or fourth like

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Speaker 5: in that.

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Speaker 3: Mix, the Seahawks are right there. I think it's a

1376
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:23,959
Speaker 3: great roster.

1377
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question, Gregy Lions v. Seahawks

1378
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: NFC Title game, who you got?

1379
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 3: Well, my heart would still be with the Geno.

1380
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 6: Honestly, couldn't lose.

1381
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: Another strike against the running back the team of atn

1382
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: But I.

1383
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: Think my concern mark is at the edge. I know

1384
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: they love Witherspoon. I think it's a great value they

1385
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 2: get up there. But you have to wonder what the

1386
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,479
Speaker 2: situation was like when the Arizona Cardinals make that trade

1387
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 2: with the Texans, because because I know the Seahawks were

1388
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: entertaining ideas of Will Anderson being.

1389
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 5: There or I think they were taking Richardson based on

1390
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 5: what Pete Carroll said, if Richardson got to them, it

1391
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 5: would have just changed their lives. He basically said they

1392
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 5: were taking Richardson, which is crazy.

1393
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 2: And also wild considering that this is a team that,

1394
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 2: as Market pointed out, can contend this year and The

1395
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: fact that they will be thinking about that is wild

1396
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 2: to me because there's still a glaring need at the edge,

1397
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 2: like if things go wrong or for Seattle, I really

1398
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: think they need to be able to rush the passer,

1399
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 2: considering they're gonna be able to score with anybody, Like

1400
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you so?

1401
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike, I guess the only water I would throw

1402
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: on it is are we now rolling forward with Gino?

1403
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: Is you know a top five passer in his conference?

1404
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: I know he's got great skill. I love what they

1405
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: did with the draft. He did come down to earth

1406
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: down the stretch last season, like do we get which

1407
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: version of Geno? Do we get? Is he consistent for

1408
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: another season? And if he is, yeah, they can hang

1409
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: with anybody in the NFC.

1410
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 5: If he's Kirk Cousin's ish in terms of his just

1411
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 5: year to year consistency, I think they're a contender And

1412
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 5: that seems reasonable.

1413
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 3: Doesn't it?

1414
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: Feel?

1415
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks in the NFC that were like, which version of

1416
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 4: this quarterback do we get this year?

1417
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1418
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 3: Their secondary is so good.

1419
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: The legion of Boom, last team, the team everybody's chasing

1420
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: in the NFC West, the San Francisco forty nine ers

1421
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: and I how's it all going to play out? Because

1422
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: this is the to me, it's the Eagles conference right now,

1423
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: with San Francisco the clear number two and a very

1424
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: real I think they could have beaten the Eagles in

1425
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: the NFC title game with better injury luck. It didn't

1426
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: work out that way, but they will enter the season

1427
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: with questions and the hope is that Rock Party's ready.

1428
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious how this summer is going to play out.

1429
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: How does Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch deploy the Trey

1430
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: Lance Sam Darnold side of things? Does is Trey Lance

1431
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: the favorite there to start if Purdy's not ready? If

1432
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: he does get a chance to play and plays well

1433
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: early on, does he have a chance to keep the job.

1434
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: Just in general, even Purdy's great six week run, you

1435
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: can't lock him in as a guy that you could

1436
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: trust one hundred percent. Lance. Obviously, we don't know anything Donald.

1437
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: We know what Donald's given in his career, So lack

1438
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: of trust at QB obviously is one of the worst

1439
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: things to have entering a season. And I feel like

1440
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: they're there and purty, mostly because the elbow, I want

1441
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: to say, but also not a ton of experience himself.

1442
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 4: If you look at like I was trying to look

1443
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 4: up a list of like late round and I mean

1444
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 4: like six seventh round or undrafted players who really succeeded.

1445
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 6: And there is a list.

1446
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 4: It's like the Tom Brady, It's Mark Bulger, Mark Burnell,

1447
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 4: Rich gannon undrafted guys like you got you know, Jeff Garcia,

1448
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 4: Tony Romo, Warren Boon. But half of those guys are

1449
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 4: from like decades ago. It just doesn't happen that often.

1450
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 4: And I think that brock Perty is an outlier potentially,

1451
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 4: but I mean it was a small sample size, and

1452
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 4: I think it's a real like what if, because they're

1453
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 4: gonna catch up to him. He's gonna you know, he

1454
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 4: is who he is, and it's just like I think

1455
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 4: it's a fascinating thing, but a potential like T and

1456
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 4: T bomb you're standing on.

1457
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 6: Because Trey Lance is also full of question marks.

1458
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 4: And suddenly, if you're in a world where like you're

1459
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 4: hoping that Sam Darnald is your starter for a seven

1460
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 4: game stretch, there's only so much that superpower, the superpowers

1461
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 4: of Kyle Shanahan can do it quarterback.

1462
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, And one of those powers that is availability these

1463
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: past few years has been a defense that has been incredible,

1464
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: and so you've had one departure of a defensive coordinator,

1465
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: they're able to maintain that success. It happens again. Of course,

1466
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 2: he's always losing offensive assistance. I don't think that's a

1467
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 2: huge concern this time around. But at some point it's good.

1468
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 2: It's gonna reveal its head and can this edition of

1469
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers defense be enough to allow Trey

1470
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: Lance brock Purty coming off of injury, even Sam Darnald

1471
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 2: to have those stretches where they don't play well and

1472
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 2: they're still putting wins up on the board, and it's

1473
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 2: it's always, at some point it's gonna hapen. Why not

1474
01:08:59,600 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: twenty two?

1475
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 5: It's like the same thing every year. Though I feel

1476
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 5: like I'm not worried about quarterback. On paper, it's once

1477
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 5: again their cornerbacks look gross like Leonore and Isaiah Oliver's

1478
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 5: there's cornerback two and three, like your offensive line is underwhelming,

1479
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 5: and yet they always in the.

1480
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: End like it always.

1481
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 5: These are the same questions every year, and they always

1482
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 5: figure it out. So I'm sick of doubting, sick of doubting, doubting.

1483
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 5: The forty nine ers has been bad business for me.

1484
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: What was that Modern family guy?

1485
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 2: The facts you didn't lie?

1486
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: Good stuff. We just went around the NFC in exactly

1487
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: forty eight minutes. You could check out the see the

1488
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: compendium bombshells has me questioning everything now as well. The

1489
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: addendum to this exercise was the around the AFC with

1490
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf, so check out that as well. And that

1491
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: is for the content we are giving to you for

1492
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: the week. Ask for no more because you will get

1493
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: no more. Yeah.

1494
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 5: I don't think that's how you use a dndom either.

1495
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 5: I think it denim is like something you add to

1496
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 5: the end of something to sort of like clarify it.

1497
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: Perhaps companion, Yeah, companion or.

1498
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 4: Like a brother sister edition of the show. I don't

1499
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 4: know which conferences this.

1500
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 3: Is brother and Clavon being the brother and and Colleen

1501
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 3: being the sister.

1502
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: Or we could also we can also mark, have you

1503
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: decide who's the brother and sister and then no matter

1504
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: what your answer is, you get like struck from the

1505
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: league and any coverage of the sport.

1506
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, midway through that sentence, I don't know why where

1507
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 6: I was going.

1508
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: With that, but all right, well, good stuff. Anybody else

1509
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: have anything to add good?

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Speaker 6: We used all our timeouts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Los Angeles welcomes you.

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Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Patri have a happy, happy anniversary to the

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01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 5: beautiful Amica. This is like putting it on Instagram when

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01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 5: when she doesn't check Instagram because she has never once

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01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:11,520
Speaker 5: listened to this podcast.

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01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: How about how about this? Patrick and Mark. It's been

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01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: a while since we got the invite to Greg's house,

1519
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: about a decade now. He's got a new house, he

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01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: just hit a major benchmark anniversary with his lovely wife.

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01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: We are in this partnership together that has really become

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01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: a major like kind of aspect of our existences. Maybe

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01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: maybe there's an invite coming, maybe we get back.

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 4: And if we're not invited, like Greg, how would Emmica

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01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 4: respond to the three of us showing up as like

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01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 4: a modern day sort of singing telegram to give our

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01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 4: well wishes to her specifically and marrying you and how

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 4: the marriage.

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Speaker 2: The whole squads.

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01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 3: Depends what you're wearing. I think she we can make

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 3: that happen, you know.

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01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: To issue.

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01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 2: We dressed the kids up. They've got little bow ties on.

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Speaker 5: I want to get my hands this on and The

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01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 5: plans are to fix up this garage a little bit

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 5: this summer, and then maybe when that's done, I feel

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01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 5: like that's the time.

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01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: I told you you want to put down some rug

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01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: in there. I'll go to the depot with you and

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01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: we'll pick.

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01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 3: Up We're got to put a little rug. That's that's

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01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,560
Speaker 3: a plan. But there is some water leaking into it,

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01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 3: so that's that's a problem.

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01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: Hey, you still got a landlord, though, you just call

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01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 1: them up and then fix that.

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01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Until next week. We'll be back with two more shows,

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun, a lot of excitement. I hope

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01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 1: you all have a great weekend. Till we meet again,

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Speaker 1: keep the calling.