WEBVTT - Inflation and the Class War

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<v Speaker 1>Can we record this episode? Sure, let's start. I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we could use some of that as the opening. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to It could happen here the podcast that is

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<v Speaker 1>about medical ethics in the eighteen sixties, not today, but

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<v Speaker 1>fair Yeah, no to today today. It's it's me because

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<v Speaker 1>we're long and we're doing an episode about inflation and

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of medical ethics while speaking of kinks. Actually, the

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<v Speaker 1>moment I said that, I was like, I have opened

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<v Speaker 1>myself up for that was some of the broad side

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<v Speaker 1>that was from some of the first weird interport internet

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<v Speaker 1>porn I came apart. It was specifically the cast of

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<v Speaker 1>duck Tails being like, okay, let's get to the topic

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode. That is, this episode is now about

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<v Speaker 1>duck Tails, inflation, fetish pornography. That is enough pre rebel

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<v Speaker 1>CHRISTI for what do you have for us today? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're talking about inflation. Um, we're talking about economic inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>To be fair, this is somebody was making money off

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<v Speaker 1>of that inflation. I'll tell you that much. God. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean one thing, duck Tails actually does crossover because of

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<v Speaker 1>Scrooge McDuck and his giant and his giant. That's true,

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<v Speaker 1>and that actually it does. That's right, you can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you right now, that's not the only thing about him

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<v Speaker 1>that was inflated. Oh boy, talking about is dick. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's keep it, keep it on tracked. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>all right, all right, if people are inflation, it's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty high. It's I probably should have looked up

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<v Speaker 1>the inflation rate, isn't it, Like, yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>every it keeps going point six. Yeah. Yeah. But every

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<v Speaker 1>time someone says it's this or it's that, people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>well no, but they also change these these and these

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<v Speaker 1>indicators five years ago and these other ones ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>So really it would be this, and there's judging who's

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<v Speaker 1>securate about that? This? This is the thing. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>put this in the episode, but there's a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>if you study economics you will realize pretty quickly is

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<v Speaker 1>that all of the like basically all of the aconstancy

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<v Speaker 1>so we have are fucking bullshit, and they're like are

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<v Speaker 1>basically they're they're they're really really fake, Like yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>we we don't like one of one of the big

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<v Speaker 1>ones that you know, is like one of the underlying

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<v Speaker 1>things that makes all economics fake is that no one

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<v Speaker 1>knows how to actually calculate the value of of just

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<v Speaker 1>like a factory. Like like if if you have like

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<v Speaker 1>a bundle of goods, right, and they're not the same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know, you have two factories they make

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<v Speaker 1>different things. Actually figuring out what the value of that

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<v Speaker 1>is is like fucking impossible, and the like the way

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<v Speaker 1>that it's done, and like if if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>like like there are these like the um producer statistical animals, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the values that are in the like the un

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<v Speaker 1>ci people animals are literally them guessing because because the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is like the value depending on like the actual

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<v Speaker 1>value of the thing changes right depending on where it is,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike a supplied tomanker blah blah blah blah. And so

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<v Speaker 1>they literally just tell the people who are doing the

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<v Speaker 1>econometrics should just like pick a pick a random like

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<v Speaker 1>price that they that that they think is equilibrium. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's completely bullshit. It's it's it's bullshit, like literally

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<v Speaker 1>all the way down. It's nonsense. All of the indexes

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<v Speaker 1>are wrong. Uh yeah. Unfortunately the field of economics doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really care about this that much, So we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of take them seriously. And the thing I

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<v Speaker 1>specifically want to talk about today was there was a

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting paper that was produced by two economists at

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<v Speaker 1>the DC Federal Reserve, M. David Rattner and J. Sim

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<v Speaker 1>about why inflation happens, which is called Who Killed the

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<v Speaker 1>Phillips Curve and Murder Mystery, and which we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this for two reasons. One uh, one because it's funny,

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<v Speaker 1>because I what is going to happen over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of this paper is that the Federal Reserve has combat

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Reserve has discovered Marxism, and they are going to

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to solve this mystery of inflation by by applying

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<v Speaker 1>by by by applying marks. And the second thing, the

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<v Speaker 1>second reason I want to talk about this is that

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<v Speaker 1>it reveals something that's very very important about the current

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<v Speaker 1>political situation, which is that both economists and like the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the ruling class in general, do not understand

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<v Speaker 1>what inflation is or what they sort of unders that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of understand what it is. They don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>causes it um And before we go on here, I

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<v Speaker 1>should like explain what inflation is because most people I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. The way I got talked about I talked

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<v Speaker 1>about about this with Garrison like a few days ago

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<v Speaker 1>about like like the way people get taught about inflation

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<v Speaker 1>is that inflation is when like your money is worth less. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when when the government prints more money so to each

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<v Speaker 1>individual dollar is worth less because it's more of them circulating. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And and this is like this is this is propaganda. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that is not what inflation is. Inflation is literally just

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<v Speaker 1>when prices go up. And if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, that that's kind of the same thing sort

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<v Speaker 1>of because if prices go up, like your your you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your your dollars are worth less money, right, But mostly

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<v Speaker 1>inflation isn't about the amount of money becoming less. Mostly

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<v Speaker 1>it's about something happens that that makes things cost more. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know and and likely yeah, like the it

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<v Speaker 1>is possible for you to get inflation because the government

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<v Speaker 1>pretty too much money. But like mostly are like symbiotic, right,

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<v Speaker 1>government with your money because prices are going up so

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<v Speaker 1>that people need more money in circulation to buy things. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You saw this happen a lot with the COVID pandemic. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's that both these things kind of feed

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<v Speaker 1>off each other and contributing sort of. But but I

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<v Speaker 1>think something that's important to understand about this is that

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<v Speaker 1>if if you look into the actual econ stuff, like

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<v Speaker 1>the supply of money, like how much money there is

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, has very are a little do with inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>It only really has effects inflation when you're doing with

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't like nineteen thirties twenties Germany or like

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<v Speaker 1>China after World War Two, where just there's literally just

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, the government prints so much money that

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<v Speaker 1>like like my my I have my family has a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of stories about like literally carrying out baskets full

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<v Speaker 1>of money in China to buy a train ticket because

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody knows about buy maur Germany too is like

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<v Speaker 1>the weird arrows full of cash and stuff. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff that's actually it's really rare, and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the reason everyone knows. But when it happens is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's only happened. It's happened like four or five times,

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<v Speaker 1>and mostly that's not that's not what why inflation happens.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you look at inflation right now, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the prices of like a whole bunch of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>from like food to like microprocessors are going up because

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<v Speaker 1>a it's harder to produce things because of COVID b

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<v Speaker 1>our supply chains are collapsing, and see because Russian invaded

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine and like absolutely annihilated an enormous portion of the

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<v Speaker 1>global food supply. And this that stuff causes prices to

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<v Speaker 1>go up, right because now it's harder to make a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and because it's harder to make the thing, that thing

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<v Speaker 1>costs more. And this has you know, this has literally

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with with the money supply, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't have anything to do with how much money

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<v Speaker 1>in a circulation. UM. And there's another reason that that

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<v Speaker 1>that will get into kind of at the end that

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<v Speaker 1>inflation happens that is not also has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with money, which is that corporations just do price markups

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<v Speaker 1>because they know people will pay for it. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's happening to UM. But having an explanation of like

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<v Speaker 1>why inflation is happening is really really politically important, even

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<v Speaker 1>even if the explanation that you have is completely wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It it allows you to do really powerful things politically.

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<v Speaker 1>On Like, one of the ways that neoliberalism sort of

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<v Speaker 1>took power is that in in in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>seventies and eighties, especially in sort of sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies in particular, both both in academia and a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of politics written large. There's this problem where you

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<v Speaker 1>have a bunch of these old Anes and economists who

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<v Speaker 1>are like Kensians are like they're big on like using

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<v Speaker 1>government spending to keep the economy running, and like you

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot of welfare programs. But yeah, it was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you can avoid crises by having the government to spending.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is that like they couldn't explain why

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<v Speaker 1>inflation was happening in the seventies. Um, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>because the Kenyans working the Kensians are working out something

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<v Speaker 1>called the Phillips curve, and we have to do a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of econ bullshit. But it's not that complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise I survived it, so it'll be fine. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Phillips curve says that like the closer you get

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<v Speaker 1>to full employment, and like the lower the unemployment rate gets,

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<v Speaker 1>the higher inflation rgetts. And this this sort of really

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<v Speaker 1>starts to kick in around from like five percent unemployment

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<v Speaker 1>to like four percent to three percent unemployment. Uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>inflation rate like spikes. And you know the reason this

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to happen is because the lower the lower

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<v Speaker 1>the unemployment rate is uh way you start to rise

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<v Speaker 1>because as there's lots of people who' unemployed, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay them more money to get them to work.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so this is and and the theory behind this,

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<v Speaker 1>right is that like wages increasing is what is what

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<v Speaker 1>causes inflation happened because it makes everything costs more. Now

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<v Speaker 1>there's a simple one obvious this is like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a very simple and obvious solutions. So the problem of

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<v Speaker 1>why like inflation happens, and like all simple and obvious solutions,

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<v Speaker 1>it is also wrong. The Philips curve does not explain inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna refer everyone in the chat to

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<v Speaker 1>this tweet that I made, and I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>look at exhibit A, which is the Phillips curve, And

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<v Speaker 1>then I want you to look at exhibit B, which

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<v Speaker 1>is I actually plotted unemployment versus inflation in the US

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<v Speaker 1>from like nineteen until one. And I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>a description of what the second graph looks like, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to look like a curve. Well, so the

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<v Speaker 1>first the first graph we have we have an excite

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<v Speaker 1>an X Y graph of the Phillips curve, starting at

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<v Speaker 1>eight percent closer to the why access and then swooping

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<v Speaker 1>down and then flattening out at a percent on the

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<v Speaker 1>x axis for the unemployment rate versus the inflation right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then for the next graph we have, Um, what's

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<v Speaker 1>not a curve? What is instead inflation and unemployment graft? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Except it's zig zagging everywhere like dark sides omega beams. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it is not, in fact doing a curve. My my,

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite thing about this is that um, like multiple

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<v Speaker 1>multiple like, and this happens with both unemployment and inflation. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there are multiple unemployment rates that are associated with different

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<v Speaker 1>inflation rates, and multiple inflation rates that that are all

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<v Speaker 1>that that generate two different rates of unemployments. It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>It is it is, it is, it is a it

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<v Speaker 1>is an is an absolute sort of monument to how

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<v Speaker 1>much the stuff doesn't work. And there's a really good

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<v Speaker 1>reply to your graft tweet that says economists of the

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<v Speaker 1>modern day court astrologers it's basically true, like, which is funny,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean astrologers, though we're probably right. More often that's

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<v Speaker 1>true well, I mean they're simply guessing is it a

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<v Speaker 1>good idea to invade this country or not? Fifty odds

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<v Speaker 1>it works out for you, right if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to predict, like I don't know, the SNP five,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot more variables. Yeah, And and this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of the things that like, okay, if

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<v Speaker 1>if you can be the person who like walks into

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<v Speaker 1>a lecture and goes the emperor has no clothes, you

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<v Speaker 1>can like attain immediate ultimate power. Because again this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is like so it's so it's so trivially and easily

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<v Speaker 1>like falsifiable that like I you know, like built in

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<v Speaker 1>Friedman is able to do this. And you know, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I actually abut the false curve, the Phillips curve

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<v Speaker 1>that like I showed you that it's like a curve.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a very simple one. There's all of these

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<v Speaker 1>really convoluted like modifications to it. Um. There's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look like the new the New Kings in

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<v Speaker 1>Phillips curve or whatever they they've done, they've got a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of math to it to try to like make

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of work. Um. The problem is that it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work. Uh, there's there there's a there's another Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>curve that's been that was like modified. But then Neil

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<v Speaker 1>By the new classical economists and the new classical economists

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<v Speaker 1>were like, this thing doesn't work. Okay, here's some modifications

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<v Speaker 1>you have to put in, but that curve also doesn't work. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and this is a real problem, right

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<v Speaker 1>because Okay, so if if if this inflation explanation of

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<v Speaker 1>why inflation happens doesn't work, like what is actually happening. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Milton Friedman, who sort of like takes the the economic

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<v Speaker 1>scene by storm by like predicting a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>inflation in the seventies and like sort of having an

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<v Speaker 1>answer to it. Is his his argument is that inflation

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<v Speaker 1>is they print too much money and there's inflate And

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<v Speaker 1>this is kind of a gross oversimplification of of what

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<v Speaker 1>his actual point is. But it's it's it's it's more

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<v Speaker 1>true than any of like Freedman's over simplifications. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm just gonna believe it at that. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is what the Federal Reserve and like pull Volker used

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<v Speaker 1>to try to try to fight inflation nineteen seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 1>he Volker does. She just tries to massively reduce the

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<v Speaker 1>money supply. The problem is that this didn't work. Like

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<v Speaker 1>inflation in like inflation is still like above campertime. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's bikes to like like fifteen percent or something

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<v Speaker 1>like into like nineteen four so and and just based

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<v Speaker 1>on how much larger Huey, Dewey and Louis got sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>two or three. Do you know who else wants? Oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, Garrison. All of our sponsors are into duck

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<v Speaker 1>cast of duck Tails getting inflated by bicycle pumps. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. Well I've done my part. Yeah, so okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So so we're left off. Right, There's there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of inflation happening. Some of it is happening to Ducktail's characters,

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<v Speaker 1>most of it is happening to the economy. Uh. Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Volker has tried to stop the inflation by like making

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<v Speaker 1>there be less money, and this has done nothing other

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<v Speaker 1>than like dramatically increasing unemployment rate. Now, the problem with again,

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<v Speaker 1>Freedman sort of explanation of of of inflation is that

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<v Speaker 1>inflation persistence of the eighties and it only stops after

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<v Speaker 1>insert foreshadowing noise here. Uh, Reagan crushes the unions, and

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<v Speaker 1>we will come back to is to solve inflation, we

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<v Speaker 1>should stop all unions. That is your official position. No wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but this, this is this is part of the position

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<v Speaker 1>of the of the Marxist federal reserves. So we will

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<v Speaker 1>we will get there a second. So alright, alright, So,

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<v Speaker 1>so the thing I've been describing that that freeman is

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<v Speaker 1>pushing about the money's way, this is called monitorism, and

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<v Speaker 1>monitorism is like the fakest theory of inflation, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a theory of inflation so fake that

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<v Speaker 1>like even other like even other like neo classical economists

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<v Speaker 1>don't accept it, like none of the other different neoliberal

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<v Speaker 1>schools of economics, like every single one of them look

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<v Speaker 1>at this and was like this is nonsense, Like what

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<v Speaker 1>what are you doing? But you know, so okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>that though, it's like it's like the TikTok astrology compared

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<v Speaker 1>to the neoliberal court astrology. Yeah, it's it's it's all.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's it's it's somehow an even faker explanation

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<v Speaker 1>of this. But you know this, this brings us back

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<v Speaker 1>to like where we started, which is that like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so if the monitorist stuff doesn't work, and the Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>curve also doesn't work, Uh, what is causing inflation? And

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<v Speaker 1>the answer from inside of the like the actual field

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<v Speaker 1>of economics is that nobody knows. Um. Here's Daniel k Rollo,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the former Federal resent who was a former

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Reserve Bank governor, and was a member of the

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Reserve Board. So he's a he's a very very

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<v Speaker 1>high ranking like guy inside the sphere of people who

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<v Speaker 1>try to apply econ ship and uh, here's here's the

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<v Speaker 1>quote that he gave about it. In quote, the substantive

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<v Speaker 1>point is that we do not at present have a

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<v Speaker 1>theory of inflation dynamics that works sufficiently well to be

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<v Speaker 1>of use for the business of real time monetary policy making.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are he's saying there is like if you

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<v Speaker 1>translate that out of econs because you don't even really

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<v Speaker 1>have to translate that out of econs much. What he's

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<v Speaker 1>saying is that he no one has any idea why

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<v Speaker 1>inflation works, and none on the models work well enough

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<v Speaker 1>to let you like try to deal with inflation if

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<v Speaker 1>you're you know, the people who control the money supply,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Fed. Now economists like we we we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, if you've been following this stuff in

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<v Speaker 1>the past like ten years issue, especially in the last five,

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<v Speaker 1>economists have been getting like increasingly desperate to explain what

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<v Speaker 1>the fund is happening, and they're getting increasingly increasingly desperate

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<v Speaker 1>right now because you know, hey, inflation is back, and

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<v Speaker 1>that that brings us to the paper I mentioned at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the episode, which who Who killed the

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<v Speaker 1>Phillips Curve? And Murder Mystery, which opens talking about two

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<v Speaker 1>sort of massive recent failures of the like new Keynsie

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<v Speaker 1>and we fixed we we we added variables to the

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<v Speaker 1>Phillips curve until it like sort of kind of works

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<v Speaker 1>ish maybe, But you know, the only thing they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about two of its sort of like incredibly massive failures.

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<v Speaker 1>The first is in two thousand eight, where there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a recession. Oh really, what happened economically? There's a recession.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's interesting about this, right is that, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about this, there's an inflation is there's

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<v Speaker 1>a recession, unemployment skyrockets, this should cause deflation. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know what happened to us in eight the

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<v Speaker 1>official Duct Hills video game came out. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>this could we are through the looking glass people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is this is this is not any

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<v Speaker 1>more bullshit than any of the other stuff they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, but you know, okay, but there's there's this

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<v Speaker 1>there's this thing that happens. We're like, okay, the like

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<v Speaker 1>the inflation that the inflation rate should have been decreasing

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<v Speaker 1>and it just stays the same. And economists are like

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<v Speaker 1>what And this is this is called the missing deflationary period.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's a second thing where d dren this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like quote unquote economic recovery and the last like

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<v Speaker 1>ten years ish until basically until before the pandemic, employment

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<v Speaker 1>rates dropped really really low, and this should have started,

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<v Speaker 1>this should have triggered inflation, but it doesn't. And you know, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And so the people who run the Philip Philip script,

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<v Speaker 1>like the economist are looking at this and they're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we do? And the fed economist solution is

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<v Speaker 1>again and I share you not Marxism, and more specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>the solution is neo Marxism. Yeah, yeah, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is this is something else I'm sort of

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<v Speaker 1>excited about, which is that I finally get to tell

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<v Speaker 1>the world what a neo Marxist is, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>technically a thing. It's just that none of the people

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<v Speaker 1>who talked about neo Marxists have any idea what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>The most modern neo marxis actually really well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could have okay, what what what? Once

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<v Speaker 1>we explain it, I will, I will talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>you could theoretically have a post modern neon Marxist. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I ever met whoa how welcome Welltory terms? Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm excited to hear this. Yeah yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So what what is happening here is that there's an

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<v Speaker 1>old joke in Marxist circles that like, the most advanced

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<v Speaker 1>Bushwire economist is fifty years behind the most vulgar Marxist.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is this coming true. Uh, the Federal Reserve

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<v Speaker 1>economists are developing, they're trying to make a new Phillips curve,

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<v Speaker 1>and the new Phillips curve is what they call it

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<v Speaker 1>Collecki and Phillips curve because it's based for the guys

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<v Speaker 1>new curve just drops. Yeah, it literally is except this

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<v Speaker 1>this this is this is this is the neo Marxist curve.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's based on the works it's kind of loosely

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<v Speaker 1>based on him, but it's just based on the work

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<v Speaker 1>of a Polish Marxist economist named Mikail Collecki and Clucky

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<v Speaker 1>is a he's a very very weird Marxist, like by

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<v Speaker 1>Marxist standards, is extremely weird. And to explain why this is,

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<v Speaker 1>we we have to we have to speed We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to speed run Marxism one oh one. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to attempt to explain Marxism in one page. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's okay, okay, Mark Mark Marxism one oh one. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a worker. She has to go find a

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<v Speaker 1>job and sell her labor to like get food to eat,

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<v Speaker 1>because otherwise you can't support herself. Um, so she goes

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<v Speaker 1>to work at a factory that makes like hospital stretchers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now under capitalism, and this is this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is one thing I'm explaining. This is this is

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<v Speaker 1>like the this is the orthodox Marxist interpretation. So the

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<v Speaker 1>people who are about to scream at me for a

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<v Speaker 1>million years about how this is wrong, I'm explaining the

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<v Speaker 1>orthodox position. Damnit, uh Marxism here? Yeah? No, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris quick, question what what? What? What? What was Marx?

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<v Speaker 1>So Marx was a experiment in psychological experiment run by

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<v Speaker 1>the by Harvard University was concluded in but he wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote a bunch of books. And one of those

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<v Speaker 1>books is Capital, and and it in capital. So okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have you have your worker, right, and she

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<v Speaker 1>she she works to make hospital stretchers. And the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that makes the hospital stretcher have value is the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time that it takes a worker to make it.

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<v Speaker 1>So under under this, this sort of understanding of what

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<v Speaker 1>Marxism is, value is just labor time. Right, The value

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<v Speaker 1>of an object is how many hours of work it

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<v Speaker 1>takes to make a thing. Now this labor time or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like and like, how how long it takes

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<v Speaker 1>to make the thing? Uh, The value of it it

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<v Speaker 1>isn't measured by like how long it takes aim like

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<v Speaker 1>an individual cot, right, It's measured by like how long

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<v Speaker 1>on average it takes society to make. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, like you said, this is in Finland, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's based on how long on average it takes to

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<v Speaker 1>make a hospital stretcher in Finland, not like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how long it takes to make him like Olivia or something. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the technical term for the for like

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<v Speaker 1>this thing is is socially necessary labor time. UM. So,

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<v Speaker 1>our worker like works for through her day and after

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<v Speaker 1>six hours, she's produced enough value to support herself. She

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<v Speaker 1>can buy food, she can pay her rent, she can

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know if you buy a car or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But she still also worked two more hours of the

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<v Speaker 1>day and during that time, the labor that she's doing

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<v Speaker 1>just goes to the boss. And this is called this

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<v Speaker 1>is called surplus value, like the amount of time that

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<v Speaker 1>you're working where you're working for the boss and not

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<v Speaker 1>to like support yourself. Uh. This this, this is called

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<v Speaker 1>surplus value. It is the objective route of exploitation and Marxism.

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<v Speaker 1>I yeah, it's it's it's it's it's the value that

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<v Speaker 1>goes directly to your boss. That and the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>like your boss can just steal this from muse because

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<v Speaker 1>they have the factor and you don't. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to produce something for them to survive, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to go to him and that this is This is

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<v Speaker 1>called the ownership of the means of production. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>price in theory of of this hospital structure, right is

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<v Speaker 1>based value on its value or how many hours it

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<v Speaker 1>takes to produce it. Um and how precisely you get

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<v Speaker 1>from dollars as a unit of measurement from two dollars

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<v Speaker 1>from time is a subject of an absolutely interminable debate

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<v Speaker 1>called the transformation problem. If you want to go read

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<v Speaker 1>more about it. I have wasted probably four years of

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<v Speaker 1>my life reading about it. I don't recommend it, but

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<v Speaker 1>the answer is you can sort of kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>it to work if you funk with the numbers a lot. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's if you do what's unclear if they mean anything.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also bypass it entirely by arguing that only

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<v Speaker 1>works in the level of the entire world economy. Blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. I don't care. If you do care

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<v Speaker 1>about this, don't yell at me. Go read chapter six

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<v Speaker 1>of Bickler and Needson's Capitalist power Palmatics. Theory is critique

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Moseley's money in totality and Killman and mcglare is

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<v Speaker 1>a temporal, single system interpretation of Marks's theory of value.

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<v Speaker 1>Marks's value theory, and then Google Ducktails go big genuine

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of that, all of your notes on

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<v Speaker 1>both the texts and the duck tails send all that

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<v Speaker 1>to I Wright okay on Twitter, um, and they to

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<v Speaker 1>please you. You will probably come out of like you

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<v Speaker 1>will come out of the duck Hill stuff like more

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<v Speaker 1>saying than you will doing the Marxism stuff. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've I've now covered my basis. H this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is orthodox Marxism, which is the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about is based on another There's another

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<v Speaker 1>assumption here that's important kind of technically, which is that,

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<v Speaker 1>like so orthodox Marks assumed that, like, so, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of sectors of the economy, right, there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who like make different stuff, and the assumption to

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<v Speaker 1>do who make hospital gurneys, people who do more important

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<v Speaker 1>work like make podcasts. Yeah, yeah, and and everything in between.

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<v Speaker 1>And the assumption is that, Okay, so you have a

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<v Speaker 1>person who makes like podcasts, right, and then and the

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 1>other people who make hospital structors figured out that making

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<v Speaker 1>podcast is more profitable than making hospital stretchers, so they

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<v Speaker 1>start moving all their capital into making podcasts. But then

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<v Speaker 1>because there's too many podcasts, the rate of profit goes down,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually, like eventually the rate of profit across also

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<v Speaker 1>actors is supposed to equalize. Yes, yeah, so and and

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<v Speaker 1>this means that, like in the combination of this and

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<v Speaker 1>competition means that prices is supposed to tend towards value

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<v Speaker 1>or like the how much something cost in money is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to tend towards the labor time socially necessary to

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<v Speaker 1>produce a commodity in a given place. Um, this is

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<v Speaker 1>like the basic thesis of like what you call orthodox

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<v Speaker 1>Marxist orthodox Marxist political economy would probably or Marksian political economy,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the funk you want to call it. Um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in in starting in about the nine in twenties, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a new Marxism and this is called Neo Marxism.

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<v Speaker 1>Neo Marxism is basic Like I heard about that from

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Jordan B. Peters. Yea, yeah, yeah right now. Now

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<v Speaker 1>now we're gonna get the inside scoop on neo Marxism.

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<v Speaker 1>So Neo Marxism their basic thesis is like what if

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<v Speaker 1>profit rates don't equalize across like betwetween different parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the economy that make things, and you know, and because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't do what what if what if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get competition because instead of people being able to just

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<v Speaker 1>freely move capital between like sectors, what if you have monopolies?

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<v Speaker 1>And if you have monopolies, instead of sort of price

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<v Speaker 1>being like a price is just value blah blah blah

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>bla because someone can keep moving their money around, price

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<v Speaker 1>is now a price. Price is now derived from the

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<v Speaker 1>power of a corporation because if you know, if if

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you're a powerful enough corporation to like

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<v Speaker 1>have a monopoly and stop anyone else in producing the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you do. Now you can now you can

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<v Speaker 1>charge what are called markups. And this is where Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Collecky like enters from stage left. Um Collecki like he

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<v Speaker 1>probably should have been the father father of like modern

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<v Speaker 1>macroeconomics in the sense that like he invents a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of the ship that like Caynes does before Kanes did.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is that he's writting a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this in Polish, and so the sort of like anglophone

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<v Speaker 1>like economists are not reading it because he's in Poland

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<v Speaker 1>and he's a Marxist and he's writing in polo circles.

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<v Speaker 1>But he invents a bunch of the stuff that like

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<v Speaker 1>canes and fences slightly earlier. And she starts like looking

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<v Speaker 1>at like monopoly in oligarchy theory, and he starts trying

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<v Speaker 1>to apply it to Marxism, and it's what you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his inclusion is that monopolies are powerful enough that they

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<v Speaker 1>can charge these markups, which is just like additional price

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<v Speaker 1>increase over like what the like value determined price is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be, because they can provide anyone else from

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<v Speaker 1>selling a thing. And then you know, one what what

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<v Speaker 1>once you have a monopoly in the market, you can

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<v Speaker 1>force people to just like fucking suck it up and

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<v Speaker 1>pay it because they can't get it from anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is actually this is like pretty similar in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways to like a bourgeois economic like theory of

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<v Speaker 1>how the stuff works, which is they're like, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in bourgeois economics, like monopolies can increase the price over

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<v Speaker 1>We're they're supposed to be in a perfectly competitive market

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<v Speaker 1>because they have power. Blah blah blah blah, blah. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's something very different in coluctis work that is not

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<v Speaker 1>in the normal bourgeois stuff, which is that what what

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<v Speaker 1>he argues is that trade unions. Okay, so you have

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<v Speaker 1>a trade union, right it they represented the workers at

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<v Speaker 1>work at a company. And these that these trade unions

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<v Speaker 1>are fighting over the over the product of the markup,

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<v Speaker 1>and this keeps the size of markups and these sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like these price increases that monopolies are doing down

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<v Speaker 1>because the larger the markup these companies apply, the more

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<v Speaker 1>incentive there are there is for unions to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like fight for pay increases, right because okay, well, the

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<v Speaker 1>more expective the goods are, the more money they're like

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 1>very clearly is on hand. And so the larger the

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<v Speaker 1>demands you get from organized labor. And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>insight that who killed the Phillips curve. The paper I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about jumps on that unions fight over markups

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<v Speaker 1>and thus that the strength of unions is part of

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<v Speaker 1>what helps determine inflation. And they point out that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>unions want lower prices and for for goods, and the

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<v Speaker 1>reason they want lower prices for goods is that the

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<v Speaker 1>higher the price is of something, right, the less people

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>buy of it, and the less people like buy of

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the thing, the less has to be produced, and that

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>means that there's less people being employed. And so if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a union and you want like the most number

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<v Speaker 1>of people being employed as you can, and so that

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<v Speaker 1>means that means that you want you want prices to

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<v Speaker 1>be low, because yeah, that because because lower prices means

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<v Speaker 1>more of the more of the good being produced, and

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<v Speaker 1>more the good being produced means more jobs. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is where we get to sort of the fundamental assumption

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<v Speaker 1>behind the regular Philip scrip. And this is also true

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<v Speaker 1>for this sort of like new like pseudo neo Marxist one. Right, Um,

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>their assumption is that inflation is driven by rising wages.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, even though the unions are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like reduce the markup and like and reduce

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<v Speaker 1>markups reduced prices to increase the number of workers, firms

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to increase prices so they can make back

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<v Speaker 1>the money they're paying out in widges. Now when when

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<v Speaker 1>unemployment is like high, this doesn't matter because wages still

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<v Speaker 1>don't rise very fast because there's you know, there's this

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<v Speaker 1>gnormous pool of people who are incredibly desert for jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can pay them sort of like nothing, and

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<v Speaker 1>they'll they'll come work for you, because the alternative is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, starving or getting evicted. But when when unemployment

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<v Speaker 1>is low, the bargaining power of workers increases, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's where the class war starts. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean this, You see this in ninety one with the

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<v Speaker 1>screen Cartoonists strike that Scrooge McDuck brutally cracked down on

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<v Speaker 1>um and eventually had to seed seed ground to the guild.

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<v Speaker 1>But Scrooge, Scrooge McDuck was was brutal during during this

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<v Speaker 1>time period post the thirties rise of unions. That's right, Garrison,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a big part of why Huey, Dewey and

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<v Speaker 1>Louie had to track him down in his money room

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<v Speaker 1>and stick a bicycle pump into his mouth while he

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<v Speaker 1>was sleeping and begin to inflate him largely while touching

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>themselves criticals Louie, my boy. So as as as as

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<v Speaker 1>with I don't, I can't. I don't even know how

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<v Speaker 1>to transition that I can't do it, but nobody does.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, really, the main thing is that the concentration

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<v Speaker 1>of wealth in the hands of a small number of

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<v Speaker 1>individuals will inevitably lead to inflation, which is true. And

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<v Speaker 1>and this is one of the things that um that

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<v Speaker 1>that that the economists are sort of talking about here,

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>which is that like, okay, so once once you get

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<v Speaker 1>an actual sort of once you once you get like

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<v Speaker 1>a real class work going on right where you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting in a class work to the extent that

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<v Speaker 1>like the bargaining power of workers into bargaining power of

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<v Speaker 1>of like capitalist verbs are essentially like very close to

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<v Speaker 1>being equal. Um, you get inflation. Now, what's interesting about

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>this is that when you have strong unions, like when

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<v Speaker 1>you have strong unions, you get high rates of inflation

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<v Speaker 1>during periods of sort of inflation shocks, right, because the

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<v Speaker 1>unions are sort of like propping up wages in this theory.

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<v Speaker 1>But and this is the interesting part, right, you get

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<v Speaker 1>way lower rates of unemployment. And so it's okay, it's

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<v Speaker 1>to step back for a second. So what's happening here is, right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have if you have strong unions and there's

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<v Speaker 1>something else in the supply chain that increases costs, say

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<v Speaker 1>to to to pick a copletely random example that never happened. Uh, say,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, you're in the nineteen seventies and the price

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<v Speaker 1>of oil is quadrupled in one year, and that increases

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<v Speaker 1>the price of everything. Now when when when you have

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<v Speaker 1>a strong but this never happened, don't google the oil shocks. Actually,

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>literally don't google the oil shocks because almost everything written

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 1>online about the oil shocks is a lie. I yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've talked about that before. On the other

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:26.959
<v Speaker 1>pois never sood but yeah, it's it's all lie. But

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<v Speaker 1>but basically, like one of the what you know, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what what what happens here is if you if you're

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<v Speaker 1>strong unions, you get a bunch of inflation, but people

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>don't get fired. And when when corporations are strong and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have unions, you know, you get these shocks

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>and the inflation rate is much lower, but everyone gets fired.

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>You unemployment rate goes up to like ten percent. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know, it's an absolute disaster. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing to note about about the way that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the Philips curve, the sort of Marxian Philips curve,

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<v Speaker 1>like analyze the situation, right, But there's another consequence here

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>which comes back to like what inflation is under a

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Phillips curve, Right, Inflation en Phillips curve is literally just

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<v Speaker 1>wage increases. Right, So when when union power is weak,

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<v Speaker 1>inflation stuff. But like, what does this actually mean? What

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>it means is that wages aren't growing, sure, aren't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And and this brings us back to like the sort

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>of weirdness we saw in the early part of the episode,

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<v Speaker 1>right right after two thousand eight, right where there should

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<v Speaker 1>have been deflation because the unemployment rate was really high

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and also like junior recovery period were uninflation rate is,

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>unemployment rate is super low. But and there should have

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<v Speaker 1>been inflation, but there wasn't. And the answer is why

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>why wasn't there inflation? It's well, okay, because no one

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<v Speaker 1>had a union and so everyone's wages just stayed the

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<v Speaker 1>same the whole time. I have another explanation for this.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I previously when I previously said the Ducktails

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<v Speaker 1>game came out into US to night, I was actually incorrect.

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<v Speaker 1>US Night was when Nintendo Power listed the Ducktails game

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<v Speaker 1>as the thirteenth best Nintendo Entertainment System game. Um there was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was voted that into US a night. Now, it's

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 1>important that thirty it's a very unlucky number. So by

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>voting the duck Tails game best game from the NS

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 1>into thousan eight, and they could have basically caused a

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<v Speaker 1>psychic rift in the fabric of the universe, creating the

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:16.239
<v Speaker 1>financial crash. That's fascinating, Garrison, because I was thirteen in

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousand one when I came across that angel Fire

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>website with home drawn Ducktails inflation pornography. Wait, so this

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>CAUs I think in a lot of ways. Yeah, yeah,

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>that's all connected. You know who else may have been

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:35.400
<v Speaker 1>a contributing factor to nine eleven? The products and services

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>that support this podcast? I think that's right, that's right.

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>We do not accept a sponsor unless it gets the

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>explicit sign off of the King of Saudi Arabia. Um who,

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>if you'll remember, did nine eleven? All right, Yeah, I'm

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 1>not getting and I am not getting paid off to

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 1>properly tradition this, so I'm not going to Uh So

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>it turns out that yeah, so the reason there hasn't

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>been inflation is that there's no unions. Because we don't

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 1>have unions. Are wages all suck? And uh? This means

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>that you know, wages, wages are stagnant low, and it

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>means that they're not a drive. The unions aren't a

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 1>driver of inflation. And also low wages are driver inflation

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>because they you know, like unions aren't around to increase wages. Now, Meanwhile,

0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the other thing that this suggests is that monetary policy

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 1>and they okay, I think they're they're in exact analysis

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>was like I think like eighty four percent of like

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>inflation shocks can be explained by looking at like union density, um.

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>But this also means it means what like monetary policy,

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:44.840
<v Speaker 1>like how much money there is like in the economy

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 1>has like basically no role inflation whatsoever. And and this

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:51.399
<v Speaker 1>is you know, okay, so like like this has all

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:53.360
<v Speaker 1>been sort of one perspective from some economist of the

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Federal Reserve, and we can ask the question like why

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 1>does this matter? Right, like why why why? Why does

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<v Speaker 1>like sort of one like group of people on the

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Fed like their response this matters, And partly it matters

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 1>because it's again extremely funny to watch the Federal Reserve

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 1>turning to neo Marxists too, like try to explain why

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 1>inflation happens. But it also matters because theories of inflation

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>dictate inflation policy. Um. Jerome Powell, who's the chairman the

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Federal Reserve, has had a press conference on May fourth,

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 1>and it's too long to play the whole thing, but

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 1>he has the speech, and he lays out a few

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>things that are interesting. So he talks about a bunch

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 1>of stuff that's causing inflation, rights, production bottlenecks, increasing crude

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:35.120
<v Speaker 1>oil prices, concreasing commodity prices from like Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Like he's lockdowns and shine oother keeping factory like clothes,

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.359
<v Speaker 1>and like, yeah, okay, those are all like reasonable things

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:43.359
<v Speaker 1>that cause inflation. But then when you get to like

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>what the Fed is actually going to do, he starts

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about how the job market is too good for

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:49.839
<v Speaker 1>workers right now and unemployment is too low and that's

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 1>what driving wages up. So he's planning he's going to

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 1>tinker around with monetary policy to reduce wages and decrease

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>the demand for jobs. And this brings us back to

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.399
<v Speaker 1>two things. The first part is just the class war

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>part of inflation. Right, prices are rising right now because

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:09.240
<v Speaker 1>someone inside like prices are rising right now, and someone

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>inside if you want them to not to like cease

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to continue rising somewhat some part of like the company

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 1>is going to have to take a hit to like

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the their percentage of like the sort of the markup, right,

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 1>like their their percentage of like the price increase of

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 1>the corporations do above like cost and okay, so someone

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 1>has to do this, And the Federal Reserve like absolutely

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 1>wants to make sure that the person paying for that

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>is you, the worker. And the second part is something

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.720
<v Speaker 1>you might have picked up on if you're paying close attention.

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>And this has been something that's been true of of

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>both like the FED chairman and the FED economists do

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 1>this too, which is they do this wh they talk

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 1>about inflation. They do this kind of two steps. Right,

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>They talk about a shock or something that causes prices

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:54.280
<v Speaker 1>to increase, like you know, a bunch of Ukrainian wheat

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 1>like suddenly being on harvest will because the Russian army

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>is squatting on it, or like Chinese factory shutting down

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>just an amount of weed or price electronics or sorry

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.240
<v Speaker 1>reduces the amount of wheach or the amount of electronics

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.359
<v Speaker 1>being produced that drives out prices. Right, they talk about

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 1>like there's an inflationary shock, and then they start talking

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 1>and instead of talking about that anymore, they start talking

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.320
<v Speaker 1>about unemployment levels and the job market and monetary policy

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>being what drives inflation. And I think this is this

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>is a very important piece of ideology because if you

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>look at what's going on here, right if if you know,

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 1>if you go back to the seventies, it's not like

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 1>inflation in the seventies is not the Union's fault, like

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the the in the inflation in the

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 1>seventies was like in large part the original price increases

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:34.279
<v Speaker 1>because the price of oil country country pulled in one year.

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>But you know, but the Fed instead focuses on wage

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.839
<v Speaker 1>increases is what drives inflation, even even if they're sort

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 1>of like using like Marxists to do it. And what

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:46.240
<v Speaker 1>they're doing here is shifting the focus from the actual

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 1>shock that is like the thing, the immediate thing that

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>is increasing prices, and they're shifting the focus from the

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 1>shock to the people who are reacting to it. And

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>from there the question stops being about like dealing with

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 1>the shock itself and starts being about who is going

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 1>to pay for these price increases? And in the nineteen eighties,

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 1>like Reagan's Reagan solutions, this is well, okay, she's just

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna make organized labor pay for it, and so she

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 1>just annihilates the annihilist the unions. He uses the state

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to do it, just crushes the unions completely. And price increases,

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, prices stop increasing, right, And they stop increasing

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>because the production costs of all of these goods like

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.279
<v Speaker 1>decreased because workers are no longer getting paid and they

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 1>lose all their benefits. But this is the thing they

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>never dealt with the actual source of the problem, right,

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 1>Oil prices are still really high to this day, and

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 1>we've never transitioned off oil. And so to look at

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of that problem, I want to briefly look at

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 1>another theory of inflation, which is one presented by Steve Mann,

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>who I think I've actually had on the show before.

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>He's one of the people at Strange Matters, and he

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 1>wrote he wrote this article called Notes towards the Theory

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>of Inflation, which is based on the work of a

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>heterodox economist named Frederick Lee, who is he's a cool

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 1>guy and all of his stuff is like completely out

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>there from the compens from decom perspective, but it it

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:03.279
<v Speaker 1>makes more than most regularly kind of stuff. So the

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:06.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of like founding observation of like that like projectally

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>is basing his stuff on. Is that like, okay, prices

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 1>are not set by like an abstract market. Right, the

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.399
<v Speaker 1>price of something in a grocery store is set by

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>a guy like that there there there was a specific

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>guy or they're like several specific guys whose job it

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 1>is to set the prices for the firm. Um. This

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:24.439
<v Speaker 1>this this theory of like what it's not even a theory,

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 1>like the fact that this is how prices are formed

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>by just a guy who sits there with a notebook

0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>or like a computer. Is this is what the price

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>is going to be. This is called administered prices. And

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Lee like very confestently argues that like this is how

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>firm This is how both large and small firms actually

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>set their prices. Right, a guy calculates his expenses, he

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:44.959
<v Speaker 1>adds a mark up, and he sets the price. Now,

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Steve Man argues that these prices don't generally tend to

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 1>increase naturally because the price setters don't generally want to

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 1>just increase the price randomly. Because if you if you

0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 1>increase the price randomly you will pass off your customers.

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.319
<v Speaker 1>And the customers you know, okay, they'll they'll tolerate like

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.400
<v Speaker 1>some small increases. But if you raise the price enough,

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 1>they lose your goodwill towards your brand and they'll like

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.239
<v Speaker 1>they'll go off and try to find another brand. And

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>this is disastrous because even if you reduce the prices

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 1>back down again, like the good will is lost. And

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 1>that's sort of like you know, the sort of like

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 1>happy association that like you have in your brain between

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, like Nestly chocolate or something, or

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 1>like whatever brand of things you're buying, like you get

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>piste off with them because the price is now like

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>way higher, so you know, you don't go back to

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the same like grocery store because that they've increased their prices.

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Now obviously this is like there's like this subject constraints, right, Like,

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.440
<v Speaker 1>if if you need insulin, and the monopoly that controls

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 1>insulin production, just jack's the price, You're screwed, right, there's

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 1>no sort of like there's no other place you can

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.360
<v Speaker 1>get insulin unless you're gonna try to make it so

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.799
<v Speaker 1>your your your solutions are you either try to ration

0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:48.879
<v Speaker 1>it and you die or you pay for the price

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 1>increases and this this is bad and it does happen.

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 1>But most goods aren't like this, and so price increases,

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:57.360
<v Speaker 1>when they happen, tend to be small and fairly infrequent,

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 1>unless unless the person that The reason this doesn't this

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:04.719
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't happen is if the person setting the price has

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>no choice. And the main reason that if you're a

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:09.320
<v Speaker 1>person setting a price, that you would have no choice

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 1>but to increase like the price that that that that

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you're setting. The main reason you would do this because

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>something happened to your supply chain. UM, I don't I

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:19.240
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you'll see that. There was a TikTok

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 1>going around from a farmer in Iowa who was talking

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>about like why price white food prices are going to

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.800
<v Speaker 1>keep increasing. The woman, honestly, I bless her heart, honestly

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 1>thinks that food prices are not going to go up.

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 1>She thinks that this is the highest they're going to go.

0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I tried to explain to her that that was not

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:37.399
<v Speaker 1>the case, that they're absolutely going to go up even more. Um,

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 1>and I told her there are things that like we

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 1>have to buy, there's something we had to buy that

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:43.799
<v Speaker 1>two years ago, cost is twenty four dollars. Last year

0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 1>was about forty six. This year it is costing US

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:50.760
<v Speaker 1>nineties six dollars. Okay, local farmer fifty had a cattle.

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 1>It's costing him eight thousand dollars a month to feed them.

0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Please understand, food prices are going to go up. Yeah,

0:42:58.480 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and so and so you can see here what's happening.

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.280
<v Speaker 1>It like at some point down the supply chain, prices

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 1>are increasing either because of like climate change, because of

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 1>the word Ukraine, because of COVID, because of like any

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>thousands sort of other factors. And eventually the like the

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:12.839
<v Speaker 1>farmers who are setting the prices, right, they have to

0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 1>increase their prices because they don't have they don't have

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 1>a choice, right, because because the each person further back

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 1>in the suppyline as a charity, right, like they have

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>to be able to pay a bunch of ship build. Yeah,

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 1>and and this this sort you know that this is

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the Steve calls it like that. He calls it the

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.800
<v Speaker 1>supply chain theory of inflation. Right, and you know in

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 1>this model, like this is what's causing inflation. Right, each

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 1>person successively down the line has to eat, has to

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 1>increase their mark up because they have to cover their

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 1>they have to cover the new, newly increased production costs.

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 1>And this is important because unlike most models of inflation,

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 1>inflation isn't being caused by like some kind of like

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 1>giant macroeconomic thing, like it's not being caused by like

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 1>unemployment or like monetary policy, but it's being caused by

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 1>very very specific microreconomic forces that you know, there are

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:02.800
<v Speaker 1>literally specific people who as a reaction to a specific

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>thing happening that makes production harder or increasing their prices.

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 1>And this is a very different sort of you know

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 1>that this is a very very different theory of inflation

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 1>than like any of the like seventeen mainstream ones, all

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:20.440
<v Speaker 1>of which are bad in various ways. And yeah, and

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.719
<v Speaker 1>there's there's one other thing I want to mention though

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>that kind of isn't talked about in this model, that

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 1>is absolutely happening right now, and that's um And then

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:33.040
<v Speaker 1>something that is really one of the drivers of inflation,

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>which is that corporations are raising prices because they think

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 1>they can get away with it, and they're just pocketing

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the costs. And and this isn't so this isn't like

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>a sort of speculative thing. Uh companies, when you ask

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 1>them about it, are very very open about it. Here

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 1>here's from a Business Insider article. What we are very

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:53.720
<v Speaker 1>good at is pricing. Colgate Palm of Oil CEO Noah

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Wallace said, whether it's foreign exchange inflation or raw unpacking

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 1>material inflation, we have found ways over time to cover

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.399
<v Speaker 1>that in our margin line. We've been we've been very

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 1>comfortable with our ability to pass on the increases that

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:09.320
<v Speaker 1>we've seen at this point, said uh Croker CFO Gary

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Miller Chip in October. And we would expect that to

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 1>continue to be the case. And here here's from here's

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.239
<v Speaker 1>from the Wall Street Journal, where more people talk about

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 1>doing this. We have not seen any material reaction from consumers,

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Procter and Gamble finance chief Andre Sholton said last week,

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 1>referring to a string of price increases that went into

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>effect in September. So that makes us feel good about

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 1>our relative position. Now, those two articles, like, just those

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 1>two articles alone talk about prices raising, Like talk about

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:39.760
<v Speaker 1>companies that are just raising prices because they know consumers

0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 1>will pay for it, because I think there's inflation happening,

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and those companies just from those two articles alone include

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:48.479
<v Speaker 1>Procter and Gamble, nest LEA, Verizon, Unilever, Colgate, Palm of Oil,

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Coca Cola, Pepsi, Gillette, Chipotle, A, T and T, Verizon, Kimberly,

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Clark Corp, Clarox, Reynolds, Kroeger's, and Albertson and like that.

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>That's that's just like the corporations in the article that

0:45:59.880 --> 0:46:03.759
<v Speaker 1>are like specifically named as talking about having done this right.

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 1>And they can get away with this because normally normally

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:08.719
<v Speaker 1>write price increases to piss people off, they go to

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.320
<v Speaker 1>go free for brands. But if if prices across the

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:14.520
<v Speaker 1>board are already increasing, you can you can just like

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:16.960
<v Speaker 1>do basically like a price gouge increase, and you can

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 1>do and you can increase your markup and it doesn't

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't affect your goodwill because people just assume that

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 1>inflation is already happening, and that inflation happens sort of naturally.

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:26.879
<v Speaker 1>Is either because the wage like wages are too high,

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 1>there's too much money in circulation, so oh, there's just

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.880
<v Speaker 1>like inflation happening. Is this like abstract thing instead of

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 1>what is actually happening, which there are very specific like

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>they're individual people with with names and addresses who specifically

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<v Speaker 1>increase the price in order to screw you, and that

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<v Speaker 1>that that's that's what's actually at stake here, and having

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<v Speaker 1>explanation for why inflation happens, it tells you who to

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<v Speaker 1>blame for it. Like right now, Larry Summers, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the former Treasury secretary who was responsible for arguably responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for two thousand directly responsible for two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 1>one of people who completely annihilated the entire Russian economy

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineties. Uh, he is has apparently been on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with Joe Biden, and he is going around

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<v Speaker 1>saying that in order to solve inflation, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>cut wages and rage the unemployment rate to five percent,

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<v Speaker 1>like for five years, like on average five percent for

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<v Speaker 1>five years. And so this means either you have five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of five percent, five years of five percent inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>two years of inflation at seven point five percent, or

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<v Speaker 1>like one year of teen percent unemployment. And again unemployment

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<v Speaker 1>right now is it like three percent? So she's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about millions, potentially tens of millions of people losing their

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<v Speaker 1>jobs in in order to in order to solve inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Summers again, Summers is going back on the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of Phillips model ship, right, where inflation is caused by

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it doesn't even matter what's actually causing the inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a bunch of a combination of price gouging

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<v Speaker 1>and like, uh, supply chage distructions. Right, She's going, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>who His theory isn't about what is causing inflation. His

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<v Speaker 1>theory is about who's way to pay for it. And

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<v Speaker 1>his solution is, fuck you. You are going to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for it. You're going to pay for both the price increases,

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<v Speaker 1>which the prices won't fucking come back down. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>other part of this, right, Once once you get inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>and once the prices rise, they're sticky, they don't fucking fall.

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<v Speaker 1>And what he's saying is, yeah, fuck you, you you are

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<v Speaker 1>going to pay for it. You're going to continue to

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<v Speaker 1>pay these prices. You're also going to pay for it

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<v Speaker 1>by reducing your wages. You're going to pay for it

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<v Speaker 1>by getting fired. And you know, and this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is the sort of the choice that we have, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's either we let the ruling class tell exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>same stories about why inflation happens. They've been telling fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years that they know we're wrong, that they that they

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<v Speaker 1>know are so wrong they're desperate enough to turn to

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Marxism to try to find explanations for it. Or

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<v Speaker 1>we find it, we find a new like explanation of

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<v Speaker 1>why fucking inflation happens, and we go back, we take

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that they've stolen from us, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>appropriate the bastards so they don't do it again. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is that that that that is what I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say about inflation. Yeah, I mean again, what what

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do is if we organize as a people,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a people come the vacuum tube that we

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<v Speaker 1>need to shove down the esophagus of Summers and other

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<v Speaker 1>members of the ruling class in order to inflate their

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<v Speaker 1>organs so that their asshole widens and we can collectively

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<v Speaker 1>fuck them until they deflate. Is that more or less accurate? Chris?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say? Economically? Sure? I mean, you know this

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<v Speaker 1>is honestly okay, I would say, like, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that, this is the thing about having an explation

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<v Speaker 1>for wine inflation happens. Right, It doesn't matter if it's

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<v Speaker 1>true or not. You can as long as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you have a compelling enough explanation for inflation to cause

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<v Speaker 1>people to do something you can you can, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and this this is one of the things. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is one of the things that caused Tenement

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, is that there was skywalketing inflation and the

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<v Speaker 1>like workers had an explanation of inflation. It wasn't right,

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, I mean that their explation for inflation had

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<v Speaker 1>to do with like the like China was taking in

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of loans and the CCP was spending all

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<v Speaker 1>their money on warts cars and it's like it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of marginal whether it was like true or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't matter, right, infla inflation could be caused

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<v Speaker 1>by the fact that we haven't fucking inflated right on

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<v Speaker 1>that point. And this is this is this is true.

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<v Speaker 1>You can look this up online. Um. So, the original

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<v Speaker 1>Ducktails game from nine was remastered in two thousand thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was real. It was released on August thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand thirteen, the remaster of the Duct Tails game

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen thirteen, both on Lucky Numbers. I think that could

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<v Speaker 1>have just just as much to do with our current

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<v Speaker 1>economic problem around inflation as basically anything else. Chris has

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<v Speaker 1>said here um because August two thousand thirteen Ducktails getting

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<v Speaker 1>released Scrooge McDuck main character. That is too much to

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<v Speaker 1>be a coincidence. Yeah, we are through the looking glass.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see the Nords like there's there's there's no

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<v Speaker 1>getting away from this one. Look, all you have to

0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 1>do is you just gotta go. You gotta show up

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<v Speaker 1>to the rule of the fucking money is and you've

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<v Speaker 1>gotta take it from them. Do you guys show up

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<v Speaker 1>kind of show up to the factories and inflate your

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<v Speaker 1>bosses and you will inflation will come down. Yeah, would

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