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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm back on.

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Speaker 2: Normally the show is normal as takes for when the

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Speaker 2: news gets weird.

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Speaker 1: I'm my Covene and I'm Carol Marcos. How are you doing,

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Speaker 1: Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I saw a survey the other day from

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Speaker 2: the Institute of Family Studies that said that parents who

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Speaker 2: have strict rules for their kids on bedtime, screen time,

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Speaker 2: and homework time have healthier, happier teens and relationships with

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Speaker 2: their kids. So I'm hoping that's the truth. Right, We're

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Speaker 2: trying to get our little ones to finally go to

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Speaker 2: a free for all. So we're being a little more strict.

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Speaker 2: And Dad told them a couple times the other night, Hey,

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Speaker 2: and they didn't, and on like the third time, he

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Speaker 2: took away their baby doll and their stuff lying there,

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Speaker 2: little their little buddies, and I hear this uproar, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, what's happening. They got and I'm like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: got it. So we say to them, the second you

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Speaker 2: lying and your baby doll back, and they're like, okay, immediately, quiet,

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Speaker 2: give them to them. Everybody sleeps. No one's traumatized me,

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Speaker 2: their lives. The next morning, the four year old comes

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Speaker 2: to Steve with an Easter story book and she points

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Speaker 2: to Jesus and she says, Jesus, no take Stuffy's dad.

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Speaker 2: Jesus no take stuffies.

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Speaker 1: You know takes stuffies. I felt like Jesus might take stuffies.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: She's really new testamenting us mercy.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, it works, it works, you know, the whole parenting thing.

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Speaker 1: They tell you it works, and then you do it,

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Speaker 1: and it works. It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing the thing over here, but we are

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Speaker 2: getting called out occasionally by our own children.

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Speaker 1: Listen, not all of us could be Jesus exactly.

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Speaker 2: That was our argument. We're doing our best over here anyways. Right,

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Speaker 2: shall we talk about the state of that union? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Must we? Okay, fine, let's do it. You know, I

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Speaker 1: have to say I am a super political nerd, and

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Speaker 1: I hate watching the State of the unions. They're just

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Speaker 1: the amount of time it takes, the sitting, you know,

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Speaker 1: the standing up, the sitting down, the applause. I really

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Speaker 1: I prefer to read it, and I know that that's

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Speaker 1: kind of you can't really do that because you need

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Speaker 1: the vibe you need, you know, Rashida plame mouthing KKK

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Speaker 1: instead of USA. You need the whole atmosphere in the room.

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Speaker 1: She really did, Like, as they're chanting USA USA, she

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Speaker 1: looks over at elan Omar and she is saying she's

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Speaker 1: mouthing kkk kkk, Like what what you know? It's yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: but I mean you need to see it. You need

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Speaker 1: to see betterman in a suit, the hockey team, the

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Speaker 1: chanting USA, the honoring of a World War two bet.

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Speaker 1: I mean it needs to be a visual thing. I

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Speaker 1: just wish there was like an edited version I could

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Speaker 1: watch that could be like half an hour.

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Speaker 2: I have to say I always enjoy it more than

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Speaker 2: I think I will going into it. I'm going, oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, I'm gonna spend two and a half hours

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Speaker 2: of my life doing this. And then the response on

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Speaker 2: top of it. Right, however, I think I like the

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Speaker 2: new model where Trump just treats it like this is

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Speaker 2: your life. Who's gonna come next? We have no idea?

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, he knows how to put on a show,

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Speaker 1: for sure, and that's why it's worth watching, actually watching

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Speaker 2: And I think it probably gets more eyeballs, It probably

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Speaker 2: gets more attention. I have long said that I would

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Speaker 2: like the old school presidents did. You're not better than TJ, like,

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Speaker 2: just send a letter, And so I agree with you

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Speaker 2: on that part. On that front. And also, no president

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Speaker 2: in a modern era can give up this golden opportunity

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Speaker 2: right to stand in front of the whole country and

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Speaker 2: really have just such an advantage over opponents like you can't.

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Speaker 2: The best you can do is no harm when you're

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Speaker 2: sitting listening to him speak, whether it's even in a

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Speaker 2: Biden situation, just be boring, suck it up, sit there

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Speaker 2: in the gallery and then have your talking points afterwards

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Speaker 2: and make your human I think the yelling, no matter

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Speaker 2: who you are, no matter if you're right on the facts,

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Speaker 2: doesn't work. It slame. The response always looks slame.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I always feel bad for the person

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Speaker 1: who's making the response, no matter who it is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Bobby Jindall, Marco Rubio last night, Spamburger, They

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of outbursts yesterday. I was surprised

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many times did elan Omar yell things?

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Speaker 1: She was just like basically having a conversation with Trump

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Speaker 1: like that the rest of us weren't really privy to.

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Speaker 1: I thought that that was a bit much thinking back

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Speaker 1: to you know, when Joe Wilson interrupted Obama in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine and he screamed, you lie, he ends

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Speaker 1: up getting censured by the House. Nothing's going to happen

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Speaker 1: to anybody who who yelled back last night. Another point,

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Speaker 1: of course, you were saying, you know that they look

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Speaker 1: petty when they're yelling. They look super petty when they're

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Speaker 1: not standing for the US hockey team, and you look

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Speaker 1: super petty when they're not standing for the various guests

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Speaker 1: that Trump has brought, some of them victims of horrible crimes,

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Speaker 1: or you know, Erica Kirk, or just the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Look venezuelan political prisoner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, reunited with his family.

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Speaker 2: I mean come on, yeah, I think, yeah, he had

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Speaker 2: He has a way with these things. And you and

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Speaker 2: I talked about the Gold medal winds before the internet

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Speaker 2: blew up. Internet, we touched on.

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Speaker 1: It, but who knew they were going to make it

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Speaker 2: Yes, So like this thing spun out of control and

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Speaker 2: attempted to break containment and become a big, a big

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Speaker 2: to do, which is the idea that Trump told a

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Speaker 2: horrible sexist joke and all the men on the team

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Speaker 2: laughed at it. You know, I've actually listened to the video,

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Speaker 2: and in fact, the joke is like basically just silly aside.

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Speaker 2: And then the men say absolutely the women should come

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Speaker 2: to the White House, and then they.

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Speaker 1: Just chause they're awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they chant two for two, which is

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Speaker 2: a celebration of the women. But the Internet really got

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Speaker 2: mad about this, and I think the bat signal went

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Speaker 2: out about halfway through the day, Carol, because I saw

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Cutter and Joe Scarborough be like, hey, guys, maybe

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't cancel the men's school metal winning hockey team

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Speaker 2: because they can't help themselves.

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Speaker 1: They really can't. My whole like normy world was celebrating,

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Speaker 1: Like the people who I know vote Democrat were celebrating

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Speaker 1: the US men's hockey team. It wasn't a political issue

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Speaker 1: and they were on the losing side of that. Again,

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Speaker 1: if you're not standing for the US men's hockey team

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Speaker 1: after they have this giant win on the world stage

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Speaker 1: and everybody's going nuts and everybody's raw, raw America, what

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Speaker 1: do you think, who are you and who are you representing?

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Speaker 1: That wouldn't want you to stand?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems self defeating. And it was a wonderful

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Speaker 2: moment to watch them come in from the back of

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Speaker 2: that it's normal for teams that represent the country to

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Speaker 2: be honored by the head of the country. That is normal.

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Speaker 2: So them coming is not out of the ordinary. It's

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Speaker 2: normal for American heroes to be at a State of

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Speaker 2: the Union. Reagan's pointing up to the gallery and pointing

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Speaker 2: This is a normal thing. It was a very cool moment.

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Speaker 2: Love their matching sweaters. Won't love myself.

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Speaker 1: I love it. How come everything's sold out? Like nobody

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Speaker 1: told me where you know we're supposed to be buying

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Speaker 2: He then gives the Medal of Freedom to the goalie,

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Speaker 2: big moment for goalies. As a former soccer goalie, you know,

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Speaker 2: you spend a lot of time waiting back there for

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Speaker 2: he really speaks for all of us when he's up

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Speaker 2: there getting a board. But I think that one was

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Speaker 2: a surprise and very cool.

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Speaker 1: Very yeah. I almost felt like he came up with

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Speaker 1: few athletes that have gotten Yeah, he was trumpy about it.

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Speaker 1: I almost feel like in the moment he was just like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, let's do this. And that's the thing again,

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Speaker 1: he knows how to make it a show. I know

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Speaker 1: people hate that, I could completely understand, but the man

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Speaker 1: knows how to put on a performance. And speaking of

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Speaker 1: when Biden would give the State of the Union, we

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Speaker 1: it through and look. I you know, obviously you and

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Speaker 1: I were never team Biden, and yet we were like

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Speaker 1: didn't want the American president to fail in front of

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Speaker 1: the whole country. It's just I don't see that same

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Speaker 1: semblance of not patriotism but unity from the left. Oh,

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Speaker 1: neither patriotism either. Let's not let's be serious here, but

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Speaker 1: I'm specifically talking about they just won't unify, and it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, their take is that he's just beyond the pale.

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Speaker 2: But if you make that rule, you make that rule

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Speaker 2: do from now until forever.

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Speaker 1: Right, Mitt Romney was beyond the pale. I mean he Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney gave a woman cancer and wanted to kill dogs.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember all this this isn't just about Trump.

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Speaker 1: And again the fact that they're Okay, let's say you

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Speaker 1: hate Trump and that's that's that's your life view. What

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Speaker 1: are you doing hating the US men's hockey team? Like,

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Speaker 1: how does that make sense to you? And I was

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Speaker 1: thinking that the most I hear of this kind of gendered,

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Speaker 1: and we say things like we're gonna have to the boys.

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Speaker 1: We're going to dinner, the boys are going to have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's people do it.

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Speaker 1: It's a joke, like relax, just relax.

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Speaker 2: Well, and they I think I was watching this hockey

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Speaker 2: nontroversy be turned into something because the I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of it might be bots also, but they're swarming

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Speaker 2: the social medias of these guys to say that they're

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Speaker 2: out of line and they're terrible and they're losing all

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Speaker 2: their fans. I mean it's actual insanity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, in the real world, each of these guys has

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Speaker 2: gained three hundred thousand Instagram followers in the last five days, right,

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Speaker 2: because normal people don't think this way. But I think

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Speaker 2: some of it is an allergy to the unity and

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Speaker 2: the patriotism that was displayed. And that's why I think

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Speaker 2: maybe bots are involved, because what do the Russians in

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Speaker 2: the Chinese want to do in our happy team fund? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: us to be mad at each other over a double

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Speaker 2: gold over time, it's yeah, hockey win.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, right, But I mean there are You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of it is about operation,

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Speaker 1: But there are prominent voices on the left like actually

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Speaker 1: angry about this.

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Speaker 2: Just a useful idiot for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jessica Valenti, who I believe her book is called abortion.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to do what he says, right, and also.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why it's to me, it is a

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Speaker 1: is an absolute monster, is going after Erica Kirk. It's

435
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Speaker 1: another thing that the Daily Mail is piling on and

436
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Speaker 1: it's also another thing that so many people remain completely

437
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Speaker 1: silent on what Candace is doing to their allegedly their friend,

438
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Speaker 1: Charlie's widow. And I said this yesterday on X But

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Speaker 1: you know, would Charlie be surprised that his absolute bestest

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Speaker 1: friend in the public sphere is actually Ben Shapiro, who

441
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Speaker 1: has defended Erica at every single turn, has been there

442
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Speaker 1: for her, has taken so many shots because of it,

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Speaker 1: and yet he has defended her continuously, and his so

444
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Speaker 1: called friends are completely silent, and his really good friend

445
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Speaker 1: Candae is the one trying to destroy his widow.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's truly disgusting. It's something beyond what I actually

447
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Speaker 2: could have imagined. And I can imagine some things. I've

448
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Speaker 2: been a widow in the public eye, and people can

449
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Speaker 2: be really, really awful to you, particularly if you insist

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Speaker 2: on speaking living being in public obviously living. People who

451
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Speaker 2: don't like you already or don't like what you stand

452
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Speaker 2: for will do not take kindly to that and will

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Speaker 2: tell you about it. But this level of sustained bullying

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Speaker 2: over this long period, and we were talking daily content

455
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Speaker 2: from someone who can send hordes of people to harass you,

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Speaker 2: I've been amazed at her ability to stand up despite it.

457
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Speaker 2: I think she has been really remarkable throughout and she

458
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Speaker 2: must be just praying through it every day, because there's

459
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Speaker 2: it makes no difference what she does. The people who

460
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Speaker 2: don't like her, particularly Candace, who like I guess, just

461
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Speaker 2: got friend zoned the hardest of any person in the

462
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Speaker 2: history of mankind. She's gonna hate everything she does regardless,

463
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Speaker 2: but she has behaved with bravery and kindness. There was

464
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Speaker 2: one moment where Candace was like, here's a video of

465
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Speaker 2: Erica Kirk telling an internal meaning, hey, employees, if he

466
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Speaker 2: needs to take some time off to grieve, then do so,

467
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Speaker 2: and alleging that that was somehow a knock against him, like,

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Speaker 2: oh wow, a compassionate manager. Do tell it. Just the

469
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Speaker 2: motivations I don't understand. I can't understand. We're going to

470
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Speaker 2: do a full investigative series now and the people I

471
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Speaker 2: don't want to give attention to it. Yeah, and I

472
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Speaker 2: also don't want to give it a pass, like you

473
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Speaker 2: have to you have to thread this needle. And I

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Speaker 2: understood turning point, trying to turn a blind eye for

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Speaker 2: a little while. Yeah, a little while.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like they need to come

477
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Speaker 1: out guns blazing now No, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Like, I mean, like the first two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Right, understand understand that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could be like, Okay, this person seems to

481
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Speaker 2: be liable. Yeah, let's let's see where this lands. Let's

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Speaker 2: not let's not Barber streisand affect it. But there's no

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Speaker 2: danger of that anymore. And I think you can't give

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Speaker 2: this a pass. It is just some of the most

485
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Speaker 2: awful stuff I've ever seen in politics or widow dumb

486
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Speaker 2: I've done both.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember just when I would see comments

488
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Speaker 1: to you that I get flaming mad and it was

489
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Speaker 1: just horrible. You know what's crazy here? You said, people

490
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Speaker 1: who don't agree with your opinion will come after you.

491
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Speaker 1: The thing is this is largely people on the right

492
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Speaker 1: and normy, non political types like I have a normy

493
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Speaker 1: friend completely invested in candae is getting to the bottom

494
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Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk's murder because it's explained to me bullets

495
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Speaker 1: don't do that when they hit a neck, and I'm like,

496
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Speaker 1: what the hell do you know about what bullets do

497
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Speaker 1: when they hit a neck? Like how have you become

498
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Speaker 1: an expert on this? And it's really it's hard to watch.

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Speaker 2: I would echo Alibthstucky, who has said, you know, we

500
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Speaker 2: need to be discerning. Not every incident, particularly real life

501
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Speaker 2: incidents with real people's lives in the balance, is a

502
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: soap opera, Yeah, a true crime podcast. They are real

503
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Speaker 2: people's lives. And as you and I try to be

504
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Speaker 2: with every news cycle, even though it's hard, even though

505
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: there's so much news, we try to gather information, be

506
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Speaker 2: fair about what we're seeing, and be fair about what

507
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Speaker 2: we're telling, and to have things that back it up.

508
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Speaker 2: And there are people who are happy to make a

509
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Speaker 2: ton of money not backing anything up, but creating these

510
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Speaker 2: soap opera true crime threads, right that lead you only

511
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Speaker 2: to frankly crash outs, just crashing out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was just note tangentially that part of this crash

514
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Speaker 2: out about the US hockey team has brought in Meredith Godreau,

515
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Speaker 2: who is the widow of Johnny Hockey. He died a

516
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Speaker 2: year and a half before this event and would have

517
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Speaker 2: been on the Olympics team. They of course honored him

518
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Speaker 2: with his jersey on the ice and brought his children

519
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Speaker 2: on the ice. And there's a lot of really nasty

520
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Speaker 2: talk online about how she hasn't signaled hard enough in

521
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Speaker 2: this way. They they can't just get wiped clean of

522
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Speaker 2: their sins by being nice to a widow for five minutes.

523
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Speaker 2: I mean, it is crazy stuff out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, awful. I want to just add that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people focus on the antisemitism

526
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Speaker 1: of stuff like people like Candace. I think that's really important,

527
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Speaker 1: only because I think that's a tell. My issue with

528
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Speaker 1: someone like Candace is, you know, the anti Semitism stuff

529
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Speaker 1: is it's definitely bad. But I think she leads people

530
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Speaker 1: into conspiracy nonsense, and that is so bad for all

531
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Speaker 1: of us. It's not just going to be bad for Jews,

532
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Speaker 1: is going to be bad for all Americans, and it

533
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: is already. And you know what else, I posted some

534
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Speaker 1: old pictures of me and you on X the other night.

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Speaker 1: You and I've obviously known each other a long time.

536
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Speaker 1: When people hear about this show, they asked me, you know,

537
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Speaker 1: how did you guys meet? And I was like, well,

538
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Speaker 1: the first thing that we ever did together was at

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Speaker 1: the Ground zero site in New York. I think it

540
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: was like two thousand and three, nine to eleven. Conspiracies

541
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 1: were starting to become really popular, and you and I

542
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Speaker 1: did this thing where we handed out pamphlets that said

543
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Speaker 1: the real truth about nine even and when you opened

544
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: it it was like nineteen Arab hijackers some planes into build.

545
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Speaker 1: We were the real story. We're ahead of our time, Carol.

546
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Speaker 2: We were such cheeky young women. Look at us out there.

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Speaker 1: I know it's been a we've we've had some you know,

548
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Speaker 1: I think we've and we stayed normal through all of it.

549
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Speaker 1: I don't think that you and I either have ever

550
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: veered off into insanity. And look, you know a lot

551
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Speaker 1: of people describe it as like, oh, those from the

552
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: before times. You know, people who were on the Inn

553
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: not early, are kind of still normal insane. And it's

554
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Speaker 1: the people who realize, like five years ago, ten years ago,

555
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: that they could make money doing insane stuff on the

556
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Speaker 1: Internet that have lost their minds. I think people just

557
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Speaker 1: need to not follow the really insane stuff, even if

558
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Speaker 1: it's sensationalists, even if it's fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: Well, and there was someone I can't remember who was,

560
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Speaker 2: or someone from the Daily Wire who had worked with

561
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Speaker 2: Candice in the past, and said, look, if you are

562
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Speaker 2: drawn in by this, if you're if you find it

563
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Speaker 2: really compelling, know that you are listening to a very

564
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Speaker 2: gifted communication.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is.

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Speaker 2: A person who has spent a lot of time drawing

567
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Speaker 2: people in. But in this case, your fandom is being

568
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Speaker 2: used for something profoundly evil. Yeah, and that's that's just real.

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Speaker 1: That's the gist of it. You're harming Charlie Kirk's widow. Like,

570
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Speaker 1: listen to yourself. Think about that. You were a fan

571
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Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk and now you're trying to destroy his wife.

572
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Speaker 1: How could you live with yourself mother of his children? Guys. Yep,

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Speaker 1: we're going to take a short break and come right

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Speaker 1: back with one more segment of Normally. We are back

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Speaker 1: on Normally, where one of our favorite topics is literacy.

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Speaker 1: And The New York Times actually had an op ed

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Speaker 1: by somebody who noted the literacy rates were higher in

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Speaker 1: places like Louisiana and in Mississippi and that maybe maybe teachers'

579
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Speaker 1: unions have something to do with that. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: fact that this is in the New York Times is

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Speaker 1: actually quite good. You know, we're maybe a little bit

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Speaker 1: surprised by it, but the line is, in fact, in

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Speaker 1: American public education's dismal last decade, it is red states

584
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Speaker 1: with weak unions and stronger centralized control states like Mississippi

585
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Speaker 1: and Louisiana that offer good news. Fourth Graders in these

586
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Speaker 1: states now read slightly better than the students in California

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Speaker 1: New York, which spend far more perfume and have lower

588
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Speaker 1: child poverty rates. That's a big point, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the poverty rates. Another positive outlier is the District of Columbia,

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Speaker 1: which offers twenty seven thousand dollars raises to help retain

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Speaker 1: great teachers merit pay.

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Speaker 2: Huh you don't say, you know, I'm saying right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because Alex Stapp, who was tweeting about this

594
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Speaker 2: from the I believe it's the Institute for Progress is

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Speaker 2: the name of it. Yeah, he said this seemed crazy,

596
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Speaker 2: this stat can't be true. So he fact checked it

597
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Speaker 2: and was like, actually, yeah, this is true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you should. You should. You should listen to normally

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Speaker 1: Alec really yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you sort of. The truth is if you lay

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Speaker 2: aside your priors. Now I have anti union priors obviously,

602
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Speaker 2: but in looking at the numbers, an honest assessment requires

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Speaker 2: you to say that the ability of kids to learn

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Speaker 2: is inversely proportional the strength of the union, Like the

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Speaker 2: stronger the union is the less learning is happening in

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Speaker 2: your state for all economic sectors, but obviously the least

607
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Speaker 2: among us are going to get the worst of it.

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Speaker 1: Look, the thing is that we know that the teachers'

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Speaker 1: unions play a direct role in the harm of the

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Speaker 1: education of children. We knew that during the pandemic, the

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Speaker 1: places where the unions were the strongest is where the

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Speaker 1: kids didn't go to school. That is an insane reality

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Speaker 1: that people who are pro union need to face. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it comes down to for me,

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Speaker 1: is that a lot of the times people refer to

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Speaker 1: these unions as strong. I mean, it's even in this

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Speaker 1: New York Times column they say, you know, strong in

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Speaker 1: red states with weak unions. It's not the unions that

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Speaker 1: are weak. It's the politicians are stronger in these states

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Speaker 1: and say no to the unions, say it's a special

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Speaker 1: interest group, and they say, no, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: do what's best for you, I'm going to do what's

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Speaker 1: best for the kids. When you have that line, you

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Speaker 1: see that the unions being strong or weak is irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: It's the politicians who set the agenda, and they could

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Speaker 1: say no to the unions and politicians and the states

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Speaker 1: and blue areas choose not to well.

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Speaker 2: I would argue constituencies in places like Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana

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Speaker 2: are also just less willing to hold these unions up

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Speaker 2: as somehow precious to their way of life. They don't

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Speaker 2: believe that. Like they want to be supportive of good teachers,

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Speaker 2: they want to be supportive of kids learning, and to

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Speaker 2: the extent that those work together, great, but the union

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Speaker 2: is not going to come ahead, more likely in a

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Speaker 2: less a less union heavy area than somewhere like New

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Speaker 2: York or northern Virginia, where you get just such a mess.

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Speaker 2: I do think this is definitely a vibe shift going

638
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Speaker 2: on here where centrist democratscrats or like sort of normy

639
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Speaker 2: Democrats are trying to say, hey, if we want to

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Speaker 2: be the party of government, the government has to work,

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Speaker 2: and it's not working. The premise of this piece is

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Speaker 2: public labor unions prevent government from delivering services in any

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Speaker 2: kind of way that normal people can appreciate. So what

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Speaker 2: are we going to do about it? And the fact

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Speaker 2: is you have to get yelled at by unions and

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Speaker 2: you have to fight them, and I don't think they

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Speaker 2: can do that.

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Speaker 1: No, they absolutely can't. I mean, I always point out

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Speaker 1: that on day one of the Biden administration, Randy Winingarden

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Speaker 1: and her counterpart were in the White House day one.

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Speaker 1: They sent the message that these are their most important

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Speaker 1: people that need to be in the White House on

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Speaker 1: day one, And of course kids were largely not in

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Speaker 1: school at that time when Biden took office in January

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and he still wanted the teachers' union support,

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Speaker 1: and he still wanted their adoration and cooperation and all

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Speaker 1: of that. And look, you know, he came into office

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Speaker 1: saying he's going to have the kids back in school

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Speaker 1: in one hundred days. He didn't. And the union stood

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Speaker 1: in the way of that. And I'm never going to

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Speaker 1: forget or forgive. And the literacy thing is just another

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Speaker 1: piece of it where they're standing in the way of

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Speaker 1: kids learning to read, learning to read better, doing better

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Speaker 1: in school, having more productive schooling. You know, anti unions

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Speaker 1: all the way.

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Speaker 2: And over and over again, you will see that if

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Speaker 2: power is the goal, not children learning, not delivering services,

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Speaker 2: they will sacrifice delivering services and children learning fay time

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Speaker 2: to have the money and the power from the unions.

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Speaker 2: And that money, by the way, comes from you when

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Speaker 2: it's a public employee union.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all of it's yours, yep, yep, absolutely well. Thank

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