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Speaker 1: I'm Katie Curic and this is next Question.

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Speaker 2: Good evening everyone. My name's Celese Lannin. I'm part of

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Speaker 2: nine two n wys Reconnotti Kaplan Talks team. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for being here for this very special nine

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Speaker 2: and her debut memoir, Still Bobby. Bobby is a renowned

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Speaker 2: makeup artist and entrepreneur, best selling author, sought after speaker,

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Speaker 2: beauty industry icon, and hotelier. She founded two successful cosmetic brands,

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Speaker 2: Bobby Brown Cosmetics and more recently, the clean beauty brand

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Speaker 2: Jones Road. She also envisioned and now operates the George

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Speaker 2: Hotel in Montclair, New Jersey. Moderating tonight's conversation is award

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Speaker 2: winning journalist, philanthropist, producer, and number one New York Times

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Speaker 2: bestselling author Katie Curic. We are very excited to have

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Bobby Brown and Katie Curic.

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Speaker 1: I agree one. I can't see anybody in this audience,

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Speaker 1: but it's great to have you here tonight, and I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited to be able to have a conversation with Bobby,

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Speaker 1: who has written a memoir called Still Bobby, A masterclass

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Speaker 1: in leading an authentic life, which is out now. First

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Speaker 1: of all, congratulations, it's like giving birth right.

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Speaker 3: I think it took more than nine months. Yes it did.

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Speaker 1: Did you enjoy the process?

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Speaker 3: I did?

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Speaker 4: It was very cathartic, and I do you know, I

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Speaker 4: tell all my friends I think everyone should write a memoir,

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Speaker 4: even if it's just for yourself, for your kids or

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Speaker 4: It helped me understand a lot of things. But you know,

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Speaker 4: I also, before we start, I just want to say

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Speaker 4: how happy I am that you said yes when we

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Speaker 4: asked you to do this, because Katie and I go

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Speaker 4: way back.

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Speaker 3: We do.

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Speaker 1: We go way back.

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Speaker 4: And you know, every time I came to the Today Show,

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Speaker 4: like you were doing all this incredible news things and

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Speaker 4: I was doing makeup.

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Speaker 3: I was teaching people.

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Speaker 4: You know, how to line your eyes or whatever. And

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Speaker 4: one time you were interviewing me. I'll never forget this,

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Speaker 4: and I was showing people how to put mass scara

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Speaker 3: And I said, oh, I'm not going to say anything.

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Speaker 4: And Katie says, Bobby, you smudged, and I said that's

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Speaker 4: good because we all smudge at home and this is

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Speaker 1: Well, we're very good at improvising, and I was very

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Speaker 3: And that's what we like about you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think we both we have some I

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Speaker 1: So obviously that was funny because I was going to

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Speaker 4: He always called me Barbara, and he says, all right,

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Speaker 3: Was the Today Show?

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Speaker 4: I did not want to write a memoir I had.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh great, I'd love to do another makeup book.

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Speaker 4: So this woman, Rebecca, I saw her come in, came

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Speaker 4: I said, She said, it doesn't have to be a memoir.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. It's advice, maybe there'll

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Speaker 4: be a recipe. There's no recipes because I don't cook.

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Speaker 4: But and so I wrote a memoir.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I learned a lot about you. I

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Speaker 1: felt like I I you know, we've spent time together

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Speaker 1: and impressed by you, Bobby. But it was fun to

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Speaker 1: first part of the book, or part one, is called

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Speaker 1: Know where You're From, And it's where we're introduced to

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Speaker 1: your hometown. We met Illinois in the Chicago suburbs. Your dad,

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's true. I'm I'm what do you

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Speaker 1: I just feel like you are Stephen?

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Speaker 3: Where's my husband? Where are my kids?

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Speaker 1: I feel like you're you have a lot of equanimity.

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Speaker 4: That's how secure I am that I can ask you

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Speaker 4: So I think I've been conditioned to be that. Seriously,

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Speaker 4: your life very nervous about getting into college, because Frank,

440
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 4: who I love.

441
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 1: By the way, I love Frank Bruney. He wrote a

442
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: book called Where You Go Isn't Who You'll Be? And

443
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: it's basically profiling so many interesting people like I think

444
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: Howard Schultz is in it, Bobby's in it about kind

445
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: of their paths.

446
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 3: Are you sure a minute?

447
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, anyway, Frank will be so happy to hear

448
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: you say that. But anyway, he talked about kind of

449
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 1: your path, but I want you to tell everybody sort

450
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 1: of what happened you and you start at the University

451
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 1: of Arizona and.

452
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 4: The University Wisconsin hush gosh. I went for six months,

453
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 4: followed a boyfriend, then we transferred to University of Arizona,

454
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 4: and then I came home and told my mom I

455
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 4: wanted to drop out of school because it was really boring. Oh,

456
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 4: it was terribly boring. And she said, you can't. You

457
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 4: have to go to school. But Mom, I don't know

458
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 4: what I want to do with my life. I don't

459
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 4: know where I want to go to school.

460
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 3: She said.

461
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 4: The craziest thing, she said, if today's your birth, that

462
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: you could do anything you want. What would you want

463
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 4: to do? And I don't know why it popped in

464
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 4: my head. I want to go to Marshall Fields and

465
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 4: play with makeup. She said, that's it, be a makeup artist.

466
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 4: I said, I don't want to go to beauty school.

467
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 4: She said, I'm sure there's a college somewhere. And a

468
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 4: friend of my dad's told me about this little communications

469
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 4: school in Boston called Emerson, and so I flew up

470
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 4: to Emerson and they would let me design my own major.

471
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: You know.

472
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 4: I said, do you have makeup here? They said no,

473
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 4: but if you want to, you could study makeup. I

474
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 4: think they needed students.

475
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 3: At the time. But what really made me go to

476
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: Emerson was they had a Magic Pan cafe and I

477
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 3: had never seen an outdoor restaurant before and so it

478
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: was very European.

479
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 4: I remember magic Cafe. Yeah, so I went to Boston

480
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 4: to see the Magic Pan.

481
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: That's a good reason to choose the school, Bobby. But

482
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: you did get to devise your own curriculum, and so

483
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: tell us what that entailed. It was sort of theatrical

484
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: makeup right.

485
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 4: Well, well, it's called an inner disciplinary major.

486
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: I still don't know what that means.

487
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 4: And I've gotten like an honorary degree from them too,

488
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 4: and I still don't know what it means. But what

489
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 4: it meant was that with you know, with my advisor,

490
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 4: I had to take all the requirements, but then I

491
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 4: had to take, you know, things for this major to

492
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 4: learn everything I could about makeup. So I ended up

493
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 4: just doing makeup for all the plays for the film department.

494
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 4: I took a speech course, you know, I did anything

495
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 4: I could. They had one teacher that taught one class

496
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: and make up, so I had to learn. And you know,

497
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 4: one year they my advisor came to me and says,

498
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 4: I have an opportunity for you. You can go to

499
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 4: New York and you could work at the Metropolitan Opera

500
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 4: House an internship.

501
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: I said no.

502
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 4: I didn't want to, like, like, waste my summer, so

503
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 4: I didn't do that. I didn't know, but who knows.

504
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 4: I could have not been in the fashion business. That's true,

505
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 4: So you know, I don't. I don't regret not going.

506
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: But that would have been a cool opportunity.

507
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 4: It would have been a cool opportunity. But you know

508
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 4: it didn't interest me doing. I mean, I like hip hop,

509
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 4: not opera.

510
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: So you said no to that. But you graduate from Emerson, yes,

511
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: and you end up going to New York City.

512
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 4: Well, no, that's after a year because I first was

513
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 4: a waitress. I needed money to pay my rent. Yes, so,

514
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 4: and I was a terrible waitress, terrible, I'm really bad,

515
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 4: but I did it for a year.

516
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: I was a waitress too. Where you have so many

517
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: parallels where you what are bad? Was I a good waitress?

518
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: Not particularly? I was okay, I enjoyed it because I

519
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: kind of like the intensity and the hustle and bustle.

520
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: I remember somebody left me twenty five cents on a

521
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: table and it was like twelve or fourteen people. So

522
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: I followed them out to the parking lot and I

523
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: threw the quarter in their car and I said, don't.

524
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't need your quarter, mister.

525
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 4: And you wouldn't do that today. Though you would do

526
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 4: that today. You live in a different kind of world

527
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 4: right now.

528
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: It depends on the revenant in the news on where

529
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: we are. Yeah. But anyway, so you did you worked

530
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: as a waitress.

531
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 4: Yes, And then I moved to New York and all

532
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 4: I really wanted to do was be a makeup artist.

533
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 4: I actually one day went to get waitressing jobs and

534
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 4: everybody said no.

535
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 3: So I went home.

536
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 4: I said, well that's not going to work, and I

537
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 4: opened up the Yellow Pages and looked up modeling agencies, models,

538
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 4: you know, makeup. I got myself to the makeup artist union.

539
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 4: Who knew there was a makeup artist union. I went

540
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: there and I said, Hi, I'm here to sign up,

541
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 4: and the guy looked at me and said, uh huh,

542
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 4: let me tell you how it works. Sit down, and

543
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 4: he basically said, if you're not born into the Union,

544
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: it'll take you a good seven to ten years of

545
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 4: apprenticing to get in the Union. So I said, well,

546
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: that's not going to work. But he did say I'll

547
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 4: call you for gigs. And so I got to assist

548
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 4: the makeup artist on Saturday Night Live. I got to

549
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 4: do the local news. And I'll never forget doing the

550
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 4: local news. I forget the guy's name. He had a

551
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 4: big mustache. I did his makeup, and he was really

552
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 4: not nice at all, and he had a booger in

553
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 4: his nose, Okay, And I said to myself, do I

554
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 4: tell him? I told him because I cared more about

555
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 4: doing a good job than letting him go on.

556
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he appreciated that. Bobby. So you're doing

557
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: all these different gigs in New York City, and I

558
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: know that Bruce Webber a job that you had with him,

559
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: he saw something in you, didn't he about the way

560
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: you worked and kind of the lighter touch you had

561
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: with makeup. Tell us about that.

562
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it definitely wasn't like the first couple of

563
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 4: years in New York. It took a few years of

564
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: getting a little bit known and you know, being hired

565
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 4: for magazines. But I got the opportunity to work with

566
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 4: Bruce because his regular makeup artist, a woman named Bonnie Maller,

567
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: got a different or a better job.

568
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: So I was a wreck. I mean, I was just

569
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: a nervous wreck.

570
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 4: I think I tried on like three hundred pairs of

571
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 4: jeans to see which ones would be the cool jeans.

572
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 3: But I'm sure Bruce didn't notice.

573
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: But seriously, I got to the studio, I knocked on

574
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 4: the door and Bruce opened the door with his bandana,

575
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 4: and I'll never forget. I was like, and he said, Bobby,

576
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: I've been waiting a long time to work with you.

577
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: Please come in. You're you know, you're so great. And

578
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 4: that taught me, like he understood that I was a

579
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: nervous wreck.

580
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: He was.

581
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 4: He didn't have to be that nice, but he was

582
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: really nice. And I've carried that on, you know, years

583
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 4: and years with myself. But I worked with him. I

584
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 4: did makeup on the model. It was a girl named Talsa,

585
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: beautiful girl, and he said when we were all Donnie said,

586
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: all right, Bobby, take it off.

587
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: It's too much.

588
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 4: And it was really light handed, but he said, take

589
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: it off, and then he went and he pinched her cheek.

590
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 4: He said, that's what I want her to look like.

591
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 4: And you know, and he said, to Lisa, bite your

592
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 4: lips and.

593
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: Then like Scarlett O'Hara, kind of yeah.

594
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 4: But then I saw what he was looking for, and

595
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: I went back and I did her makeup again, and

596
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: he said, that's it. So I understood what real like.

597
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: Not natural makeup doesn't mean it's hardly there or it's nude.

598
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 4: It just means it's the actual colors you have in

599
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 4: the skin. So that kind of started my makeup journey.

600
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: And really influenced sort of your whole brand, not only

601
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: with Bobby Brown but now with Jones Road. But before

602
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: we get to that and kind of creating your own line,

603
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: you're you're really hustling in New York and then you

604
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: meet your husband, Stephen, and you dedicate the book to Steven.

605
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: And after that first meeting, you called your dad the

606
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: next morning and said that you had met the man

607
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: you're going to marry. So even though he's here and

608
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: we'll get embarrassed, tell us about Steve and Bobby.

609
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, he's my partner and everything. You know,

610
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: he's he's always there for me, and you know I'm

611
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: always there for him. I'm his partner. I don't know

612
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: if he cares as much about my opinion is I

613
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: need his opinion. But we are always there for each other.

614
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 4: You know, we are incredibly lucky people because we've you know,

615
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: we've had these three kids together. We now have two grandkids.

616
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: We you know, I follow him anywhere. He goes to

617
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: more places than I would choose to go to, but

618
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 4: I go because it makes him happy. And you know,

619
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: he's my partner in work and my partner in life.

620
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: I could, I honestly say this one hundred percent. There's

621
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 4: not a chance that I would be Bobby Brown without him.

622
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have the guts and I wouldn't have the wherewithal.

623
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: That's such a nice thing to say. Here's to Steven.

624
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: Where is he anyway? Where are you? Stephen?

625
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 3: And I saved the front row for my family, But

626
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: clearly they.

627
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: Oh, he's back there anyway. You know, So Stephen goes

628
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: to law school, right, Bobby, and you feel a lot

629
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: of pressure to work and to make a bit more money.

630
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the real.

631
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 4: Estate market crashed and he came to me and he said, oh,

632
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: I better get a job. And I looked at him

633
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 4: and I had this vision of him standing on you know,

634
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: at the sixty six bus with a briefcase. I'm like,

635
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 4: that's not my husband. I said, that is the dumbest

636
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 4: thing I've ever heard you say. And then he went

637
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 4: to law school.

638
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: So you decided to help out obviously, while he's in

639
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: law school and you're on a shoot for Self magazine

640
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: and you meet the other Steven who is an on

641
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: site chemist at Keels and he makes his own lipsticks, right,

642
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: So tell us about that meeting and how that basically

643
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: created this new side hustle for yourself.

644
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: Well, when I was doing this shoot for Self magazine,

645
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 4: it was the story was like makeup shopping and alternative

646
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 4: places in New York. I was actually pregnant with Dylan,

647
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 4: who's now thirty five. Isn't that insane? And he had

648
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: these lipsticks and I'm like, ooh, what are these? They're

649
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 4: really nice. He said, Oh, I make them out of

650
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 4: my house. He was a chemist from Pennsylvania, and I said,

651
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: I've always wanted to make a lipstick. I said, because

652
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 4: I always have to fix lipsticks to make them look

653
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: you know, this brownish nude color. He said, I could

654
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: make them for you. I said, really, he says, yeah,

655
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: tell me what you want. And so we started working

656
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 4: on this lipstick. We got the formula down and then

657
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: I sent him the things. We got the color down,

658
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: and I said to myself, oh my god, I love this.

659
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: I bet I could sell it.

660
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: And then I realized, well, not everyone is going to

661
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: like that color lipstick. Some people like you know, pink

662
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: or red, and people have different color lips. Like it

663
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 4: just dawned on me. I'm like, this is not going

664
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: to look the same. So I thought about ten different colors.

665
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: He made them our business deal. And if there's business

666
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 4: people in the audience, our business deal was he would

667
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 4: give me the lipsticks. We'd sell them for fifteen dollars.

668
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 4: He would get seven fifteen. I would get seven fifty.

669
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: Oh it's pretty good, right, that's some cash for groceries.

670
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: So that's how we started.

671
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: And you had this set of ten different shades, right.

672
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: That we would put in a Manila envelope. Stephen would

673
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 4: mail them and you know, we had the ingredients in

674
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 4: a card. Now I know that's called like, you know,

675
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 4: environmentally friendly, because we didn't have boxes.

676
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: So this business grows and grows, right, these lipsticks become

677
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: super popular.

678
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 4: They become popular, you know. Also a friend of mine

679
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 4: who was a beauty editor at Glamor magazine said, can

680
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: I write about them?

681
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: Why would you want to write about Like?

682
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: Why, Well, now I know it's called pr And they

683
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 4: kind of took off. And then we had to hire

684
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: my sister in La Brina to do the books. And

685
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 4: so she came and did the books, and Stephen did

686
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: the mailing and the accounting, and all of a sudden

687
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: we had this little business.

688
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: And it was Bobby Brown Essentials.

689
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't it was it was just called Bobby Brown.

690
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: There wasn't essentials.

691
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: So when did it become essentials?

692
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: Well, so we had this little side hustle. We didn't

693
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: call it that then back then, but it was a

694
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: side hustle. And then one day we went to a

695
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 4: party in the city at someone's house. Her name was Alison,

696
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: and I said, thank you for inviting me, and she says, oh,

697
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 4: thank you for coming. I'm a big fan. I'm like, oh,

698
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: you know who I am. She said, yeah, I've seen

699
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 4: your work in magazines and I said, what do you do?

700
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: She said, well, I'm a cosmetics buyer at Bergdorf Goodman.

701
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: I said, oh, let me tell you about this thing

702
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 4: I have.

703
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: Talk about serendipity, right.

704
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: I mean Jeff's grandma and Burgdorf.

705
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So she said, I'd like to sell them.

706
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to sell him. So we sold, you know.

707
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: So we we had this deal, which you know, this

708
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 4: is when Stephen came in, because I don't know how

709
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 4: to make those deals. I know how to open the door,

710
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: I just don't know how to close the door.

711
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: So what was the deal was with Burgdorf?

712
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: Right?

713
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 4: But but you can't start a business seven fifty and

714
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: seven fifty. It doesn't work. So we had to find

715
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 4: someone to make the lipsticks and have, you know, start

716
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: all over again basically.

717
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: And what happened to the Keels guy?

718
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: He went on to do other things, you know, and

719
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 4: I had to start all over again, you know. He

720
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: I mean I he couldn't do what I needed to

721
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 4: be done, and he knows and he knew that. And

722
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 4: so I was at an elevator one day and I

723
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 4: said hi, and the girl said hi, And I don't

724
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: even know how. I asked her, what do you do?

725
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 4: She said, Oh, I work for a cosmetics manufacturer. I said,

726
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 4: do you have a card, and they started making my first.

727
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: Shik like Walter Mitty or something. You know. Yeah, so

728
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: you met her, I.

729
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 4: Met her, I got her card, and she helped me

730
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 4: reproduce the lipsticks. And so when we sold into Burgdorf

731
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 4: Goodman February of ninety one, it was, you know, ten

732
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: lipsticks sitting on a table. We thought we'd sell one

733
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 4: hundred the first day, and we sold the first month,

734
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 4: and we sold one hundred the first day.

735
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: Wow. And you meanwhile, you're getting proposals out the wazoo

736
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: from all different corporations to sell Well not that week,

737
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: well no, but later on, later on after Bobby Brown

738
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: Essentials kind of really gets off the ground.

739
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: I mean really, we sold the company after four and

740
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 4: a half years, which I know is not a long time.

741
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: No, And there were a lot of offers, so a

742
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: lot of interest we had.

743
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 3: We had a bunch of different interests.

744
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: So then Esday Latter comes around, and what made you

745
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: finally say yes to es Day Ltder.

746
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 4: Well, we didn't say yes to s D Latter. We

747
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: said yes to Leonard Lotter.

748
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I mean Leonard Lotter, right, I mean it.

749
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, I mean I love Leonard Lotter too.

750
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 3: Right, I mean Leonard Lotter.

751
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: You just always said yes to Leonard Lotter and he

752
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: always said yes to me.

753
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: What were those years like? I mean, I know it

754
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: was a mixed bag ultimately, but when you first came

755
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: you said it was life changing, right, Yeah, it sounds

756
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: like an episode of that girl.

757
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 4: You know, you're oh, it was very I was between

758
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 4: Melanie Griffith and you know, and working Girl and Marlo

759
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 4: Thomas and that girl like I you know, and a

760
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 4: little you know, Mary Tyler Moore. But it was it

761
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: was crazy, it was exciting, it was incredible, and you know,

762
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: we had an office. I think our first office was

763
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 4: on Park Avenue. We eventually moved into the GM building.

764
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: And in the beginning it was magic. I had all

765
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 4: the support I had, I had anything, you know that

766
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 4: I needed to grow this company. And you know, we

767
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 4: by the time they when they bought us, we were

768
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 4: the number one line in Bergdorf and in Niman Marcus.

769
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: And you call those the wonder years. They were the

770
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: wonder years.

771
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: I mean every you know, every event that Leonard went

772
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: to Steven and I got invited to and we got

773
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 4: to meet all these incredible people, and we traveled, you know,

774
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: the globe, and they took really good care of us.

775
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 4: And Leonard just let me be myself. Like I never

776
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: felt that my crazy ideas were juvenile.

777
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: I just you know, he always he thought I was

778
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: really smart.

779
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: But there was a moment, I guess after a while, right,

780
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: Bobby were say, twenty two years, twenty two years? But yes,

781
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: so you're you're happy until you're not right And and

782
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: what made you get restless and feel like maybe a

783
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: bit constraint by being in this corporate world.

784
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: Well, you know, things changed and things got tougher, and

785
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 4: the you know, the business and the corporation grew and

786
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: there was new people that were coming in and then

787
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 4: little by little things started changing at Bobby Brown. And

788
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: you know, I always went to work thinking I could

789
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: fix things if they would just listen to me, if

790
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 4: I could just do this. I knew exactly what needed

791
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 4: to get done, and you know, towards the end, no,

792
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 4: it just didn't work. So it was it was, it

793
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: was pretty miserable at the end.

794
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: Was that hard for you, especially with your close relationship

795
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: with Leonard.

796
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think Leonard was that involved at the end,

797
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 4: he was you know, other powers took over, so I

798
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 4: didn't have Leonard to go to to talk about things.

799
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: You know, he didn't just say yes to me. We

800
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: talked things through. He really was, you know, a business partner.

801
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 4: But when he wasn't around, and there was other important

802
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: you know, people running the company.

803
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: Those who shall not be named, so those.

804
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 4: Don't need to be named. But it changed, and you know,

805
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 4: it was a really different kind of company, and it

806
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 4: was probably you know, I probably overstayed my welcome by

807
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 4: a couple of years, but I kept thinking I was

808
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: going to fix it.

809
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: Looking back, do you regret selling your company TOI?

810
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: Not a nanosecond.

811
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: Nor do I regret the last two miserable years I learned.

812
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,759
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Speaker 3: And twenty five year non compete.

829
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Speaker 1: Yes, and so Mini you couldn't work in the beauty

830
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Speaker 1: industry till twenty twenty. Did you know, Bobby during that period,

831
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to do it all over again.

832
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

833
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: So what motivated you to say I'm going to start

834
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: this new line and I'm super excited to do it

835
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: and I'm not done yet.

836
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 4: Well, I when I left the company, I really thought

837
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: I was done. I said I'm done. You know, that

838
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 4: was a journey, that was okay, that door's closed, now what?

839
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 4: And you know I took two days really kind of

840
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 4: you know, moping and not working and then I just said,

841
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 4: this stinks, and I started calling people and going out

842
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: and I didn't know what I was going to do.

843
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I had I had my calendar

844
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: was so overbooked from things that all of a sudden,

845
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 4: I didn't have anything on it.

846
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 3: So I had to fill the calendar and.

847
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: I would go talk to people, and you know, one

848
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 4: of the first people I talked to gave me an

849
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 4: opportunity to open a Just Bobby shop at for Lord

850
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 4: and Taylor's, So I got that project. You know, my

851
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 4: husband said to me, I need your help on this project.

852
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 4: He had bought a building and wants to turn into

853
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: a hotel. Okay, sure, I never even said once in

854
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: my life I want to have a hotel, but sure,

855
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 4: why not?

856
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 3: So we did that and it was fun.

857
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 4: And then I opened a wellness brand, which was incredibly

858
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 4: great experience, and it didn't work. You know, it's good

859
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 4: to have something that doesn't work, right.

860
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, what he learned from that.

861
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 4: I learned that it probably you know, first of all,

862
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 4: starting a line one line in Bergdorf and another line

863
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: of Walmart, two different things, and you know, it's a

864
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 4: different beast and not everything that I touch turns to

865
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: gold and that was you know.

866
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: Okay, that was humbling. I guess, totally humbling. But you

867
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: decided to go back to your first love makeup and

868
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: you're sixty two years old and you say, I'm going

869
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: to start this new company called Jones Road, which is

870
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: named after a street near your house in Sagaharbor.

871
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 4: No, no, it's actually a street. Step and I don't

872
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 4: agree on this. There's a street in East Hampton Jones Road,

873
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: but we don't usually go that way, so I think

874
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 4: it was some past West Hampton.

875
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: There's a street called Jones Road.

876
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 4: And I was complaining to Stephen that we couldn't find

877
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 4: a name of this new company. And I wanted to

878
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: launch the day my noncompete was up. I didn't care

879
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 4: that it was in the middle of the pandemic. I

880
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 4: didn't care that it was a week before the presidential election.

881
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 4: I didn't care. I just wanted to launch it that day.

882
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: I didn't care. So he said, if we don't have

883
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: a name by Monday, and this was like either Thursday

884
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: or Friday morning, we're not going to be able to

885
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: do it. And I looked down at the map because

886
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 4: when we drive Stephen likes me to look at ways

887
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 4: and Google maps, because god forbid, we're five minutes late,

888
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: even if we have nowhere to go. Okay, So I

889
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 4: looked down and I saw Jones Road, and I said

890
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 4: Jones Road beauty, And immediately in my head it sounded

891
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 4: like a bespoke British brand that they asked me to

892
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 4: make modern again. And Stephen said, I like it, and

893
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: we called our lawyer and it was available and it

894
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 4: became Jones Road.

895
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: So what was your north star when you created this

896
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: new line and how did your goals and your mission

897
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: change from when you started out with Bobby Brown. I mean,

898
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: obviously you're in a very different situation and position, but

899
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: in terms of the product itself, well, it's.

900
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 4: So funny because I felt really youthful and young and energized.

901
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: Because when I first started Bobby Brown with the lipsticks

902
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: and you know, and starting the early company where there

903
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: were not a lot of layers, it was just kind

904
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 4: of me being excited and doing things. I felt that again,

905
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 4: like I felt like I was in my thirties, and

906
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 4: you know, I had one I hired one person to

907
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: help me with this, and we started just kind of

908
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 4: playing with things and we had to find all new

909
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: labs because I didn't want to hire anyone from the

910
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: old company. I didn't want to use any of the labs,

911
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 4: and you know, I wanted to see if it was

912
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 4: possible to create a clean line and I didn't know.

913
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: So we found you know, we didn't open up the

914
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 4: Yellow Pages this time, but we googled. But it's kind

915
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 4: of the same thing. And we found these labs and

916
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 4: started making these products. And this one product came in

917
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 4: and I looked at it and it wasn't what I

918
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 4: asked for, and I was kind of annoyed. But then

919
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: I stuck my finger in it and I went like

920
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 4: this because that's what makeup artists do. And then I

921
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: put it on my face and I'm like, oh my god,

922
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 4: look at me. This is a friggin miracle. I didn't

923
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 4: say friggin, but I said, this is a miracle. And

924
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: everyone at the office was like, oh my god. And

925
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: it became miracle ballm and I ended up putting it

926
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: in little containers and I gave it to my friends.

927
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: Because you remember during the pandemic, when you finally realize

928
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: you're doing zooms again, yeah, and you realize you looked

929
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 4: terrible but you know you haven't colored your hair, cut

930
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: your hair, and just this little stuff on the face

931
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 4: made everybody look so much better. They kept coming back

932
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 4: and asking for more. Bobby, I ran out of that

933
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 4: little teeny thing, Can I have more? So I knew

934
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 4: I had a winner.

935
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: And so your philosophy, I mean it's interesting, Bobby, because

936
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: I know you like Instagram. We're both a little addicted maybe,

937
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: And you know you see all these makeup tutorials, especially

938
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: I think in recent years the contouring that really the

939
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: Kardashian kind of look, and you have always rejected that

940
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: and felt that. I guess my question is, what is

941
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: your beauty philosophy?

942
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I watched those things, and I'm really

943
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 4: fascinated by the talent a lot of these you know,

944
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 4: content creators have with makeup. I'm not that talented. I'm

945
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: not like, I'm not that kind of a makeup artist painter,

946
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 4: But I'm really talented what I do. And I have

947
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 4: figured out, you know, how to teach women, how did

948
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 4: you just look better but still look like yourself and

949
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: not change? And you know I didn't invent makeup. I

950
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: just like reinventing it and I like to demystify it

951
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 4: because everyone's like, so it's they think it's so complicated,

952
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 4: and it's so not complicated.

953
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: And I love that your models are all ages. As

954
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: somebody who's sixty eight. I really appreciate that you show

955
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: your products on someone who's twenty two and someone who's

956
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: seventy two, and I mean a beautiful seventy two.

957
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, look, I know I'm sixty eight,

958
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 4: but I don't feel age.

959
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: I don't see age.

960
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 4: I don't think about it, you know, except when we

961
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 4: talk about something popular culture. And the kids in my

962
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 4: office have no idea, no idea who this person is.

963
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: That's my assistant, didn't know who the Partridge family was.

964
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: I was crushed, was like, you don't know David Cassidy.

965
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 4: I mean some of the girls in my office didn't

966
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 4: know who Diane von First was or Paul Smith. And

967
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 4: I'm just like, if you don't know who Paul McCartney is,

968
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 4: you're walking out of.

969
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: The door right now.

970
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: So I know that you. I was thinking when you

971
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: were talking about the Today Show being a great sort

972
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: of PR tool for you before before social media, you

973
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: adapted to social media really well, and I think you

974
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: did it by being yourself, and these videos you did

975
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: really went viral. Tell me about how you started, how

976
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: you became a TikTok star.

977
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 4: I know, right, it was like Bobby brown sixty two

978
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 4: TikTok Star, Bobby Brown's sixty four TikTok Star. I guess

979
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: I'm not a TikTok star anymore because I don't say

980
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: Bobby Brown's sixty eight TikTok Star. But you know, in

981
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 4: the beginning, I didn't really want I didn't go on TikTok.

982
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 4: I just thought it was for you know, stupid dance

983
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 4: tricks or whatever. And you know, my our son Cody,

984
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 4: who is now the CEO, who was the head of brand,

985
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 4: who is the head of marketing, then said, you know,

986
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: we had a we had a call with Gary Vaynerchuck,

987
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 4: and he said, you got to stop what you're doing.

988
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 4: You just got to do TikTok. Go hire an agency,

989
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: go hire people, just get a team. We got off

990
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 4: the phone and Cody looked at me, he says, all right, mom,

991
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 4: go And I just looked in the in the phone,

992
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 4: you know, in good light, with my head up because

993
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 4: it you know, that's part of it now. And I

994
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 4: said I'm you know, I'm new to TikTok. I'm Bobby.

995
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 4: What do you want?

996
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: You know, what do you want to know?

997
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 4: And people went crazy. I didn't know there were people

998
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 4: my age on TikTok. Yeah, like they're a ton And so,

999
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: you know, we started doing TikTok and we had a

1000
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: couple of major viral moments and it really quadrupled our

1001
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 4: business for a while.

1002
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: Is it fun working with your son Cody, who is

1003
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: now the CEO, Well, he was the head.

1004
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 4: Of growth, then he was marketing, and then he was

1005
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 4: the CMO, and now he's the CEO. So it is

1006
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 4: really interesting, you know, is it fun? I don't think

1007
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 4: it's fun. You know, it's more fun when I go

1008
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 4: to his house and play with his kids. He's you know,

1009
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 4: he's very serious at work. He's really smart. He's not

1010
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 4: here he's had enough of his mom and you know,

1011
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 4: it's it's just super interesting for me to sit there

1012
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 4: and listen to my son be the smartest guy in

1013
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 4: the room.

1014
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: But that must make you really proud.

1015
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: It makes me really proud. It does. And his wife

1016
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: is the head of brand, so.

1017
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: I met them both when I came, right, Yeah I did, Yeah, Yeah,

1018
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: came to your place. Let me do some audience questions

1019
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: so we can get to some of these. Somebody asked,

1020
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: did you ever regret signing the twenty five year non compete?

1021
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 4: I don't need to regret. I mean, maybe I should

1022
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: have signed a twenty year but no.

1023
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: Stephen was said it might be a problem.

1024
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: Well, Stephen said, you might not like this, But when

1025
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 4: he told me we had a twenty five year non compete, like,

1026
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 4: I'm I had to count on my fingers because I'm

1027
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 4: not good at math. But I'm like, I'm not going

1028
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 4: to want to work when I'm in my sixties, So

1029
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 4: it didn't really matter.

1030
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: Someone asked, and this is a nice question. Your dad,

1031
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: Joe is a children's book author. Did he have any

1032
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: advice for you ahead of writing your memoir?

1033
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 4: Just no, he no, you know, he's he's He corrected

1034
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: me a few things, like he read the chapter about him,

1035
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 4: and he corrected me on a few things, as did

1036
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 4: Aunt Dallas, and as did you know my kids?

1037
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, no.

1038
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 4: And by the way, speaking of Aunt Dallas, if you

1039
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 4: know anyone in Chicago, I couldn't wait for this book talk.

1040
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: But my Aunt Dallas is interviewing me on stage at

1041
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 4: her retirement community. She's ninety four.

1042
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: Oh, that's so nice.

1043
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 4: Her boyfriend is ninety five and he's bringing four of

1044
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 4: his daughters.

1045
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: Ah, that's so sweet. That's so nice. This kind of

1046
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: goes along the same lines as the earlier question. But

1047
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: how do you feel having let go of something with

1048
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: your name and now someone else is making the decisions

1049
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: and the profits with no one from you because they

1050
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: still sell Bobby Brown.

1051
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 4: Still sell Bobby Brown. And you know, in the beginning,

1052
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 4: it was really hard. I'm not gonna lie. I didn't

1053
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 4: want to go near a Bobby Brown counter. I still

1054
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 4: haven't used any of the products since I left the brand.

1055
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 4: It was just an emotional thing for me. It took

1056
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: me a while to get rid of any kind of emotion, anger, sadness, loss,

1057
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 4: all of that stuff. I worked through things, you know,

1058
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 4: with the way I work through things, and you know,

1059
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 4: nothing like a successful new act to kind of help

1060
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 4: you get over it faster.

1061
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, how does the brand do? Bobby Brown?

1062
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1063
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: Okay, this is also an interesting question. The beauty industry

1064
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: is in a very odd place at the moment. Big

1065
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: companies like Cody are struggling, while Indie brands and influencer

1066
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: brands are thriving. What are they doing right versus wrong?

1067
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: And this person said, I love the miracle bombs. Ah.

1068
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's a new world, Goldie. That's all

1069
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 3: I have to say.

1070
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 4: And I think that any you know, I think every

1071
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 4: company out there has to, you know, shift and adjust

1072
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 4: and adapt and just you know, be a little more

1073
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 4: nimble to how things in the world are, you know, are.

1074
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: Happening, Bobby, I brought my mom to this event. She

1075
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: traveled all the way from Canada. Thank you for coming

1076
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: to our country, Canada. That was very brave of you,

1077
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: she she she loves you and Katie, thank you, Thank

1078
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: you Canadian Mom. What is the single most important piece

1079
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: of advice you received that contributed to your success and

1080
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: who was it from? Thank you, Nicole.

1081
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I got a lot of advice.

1082
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 4: You know, my my parents pretty much taught me to

1083
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 4: be myself and that was pretty good advice. And Leonard

1084
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 4: Latter gave me the best. Well, my I'm gonna tell

1085
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 4: you my dad and Leonard Lotter. Leonard Latter said to

1086
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 4: me once, never ever ask for permission, just beg for forgiveness.

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Speaker 4: So he gave me that permission am my dad. When

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Speaker 4: I called my dad when I was trying to make

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Speaker 4: it in New York and I said, Dad, I keep

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Speaker 4: going over on my checking account.

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Speaker 3: I can't, I can't balance, can't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how to you know how to do this,

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Speaker 4: and I'm just always going over. And he said, well,

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Speaker 4: stop worrying how you're going to budget yourself. Just figure

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Speaker 4: out how you're going to make more money.

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Speaker 1: He said, okay, that was good advice and you took

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Speaker 1: it to heart. I'm going to do a quick lightning

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Speaker 1: round with completely shallow, superficial questions. Whatca, what's the biggest

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Speaker 1: mistake people make when it comes to makeup, especially if

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Speaker 1: you're over fifty, not using enough moisturizer. Can anyone wear

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Speaker 1: red lipstick?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not?

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Speaker 1: Who I know? I can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't either.

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Speaker 1: I look so weird.

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Speaker 3: I just you know what, you're either a red lipstick

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Speaker 3: person or you're not, so I just do red nails.

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Speaker 1: Does it have to do with your skin? Now?

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Speaker 3: It has to do with what you like?

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Speaker 4: What you what you like? I mean red lipstick is

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Speaker 4: a little polarizing. Yeah, it looks swift, it does, and

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Speaker 4: a lot of you know, French women look great.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know as anyone wearing red lipstick in here.

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Speaker 1: One somebody?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one person. Well it's dark in here, but I'm

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Speaker 4: sure you look fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is there really anything out there that will get

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Speaker 1: rid of creepy skin? Asking for a friend.

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Speaker 4: So I grew up with a mom that bought every

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Speaker 4: wrinkle remover cream on the market, and nothing ever worked.

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Speaker 4: You know, creepy skin is just dry, dehydrated skin.

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Speaker 1: But it also is skin that has separated from your

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Speaker 1: muscle when you get older.

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Speaker 4: Well, guess what the best way to get rid of

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Speaker 4: it is to build more muscle. Yeah, that is really

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Speaker 4: the only way. And where moisturizer. Make sure you're drinking

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Speaker 4: enough water and just really, everyone in this room. If

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Speaker 4: you don't have a weight routine, there's nothing better for

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Speaker 4: your and health then weights.

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Speaker 1: I have a weightlifting class tomorrow. In fact, I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: But then when I do it, I can't walk for

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Speaker 1: three days.

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Speaker 3: Well there's a different way to do it, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Then well you need to come and help me.

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Speaker 4: Well, when I when I replace your oreos with the

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Speaker 4: Norri protein drink.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk.

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Speaker 1: I had oreos backstay dinner, but anyway, just once we

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Speaker 1: ordered it. What what what are your thoughts on botox

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Speaker 1: and facelifts?

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Speaker 3: Well, let's see. You know, I've I've said I'm never

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Speaker 3: going to have a facelift. I'm not. I don't think

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Speaker 3: I'm ever going to have a facelift. You know.

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Speaker 4: I Botox for me is not something I choose to do.

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Speaker 4: I tried it when I was in my forties and

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Speaker 4: I had two terrible, terrible things. I did not tell

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Speaker 4: my husband about it, you know, but he's heard me

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00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 4: admit it, and you know it's not for me. But

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Speaker 4: if it's for you and you like it, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. In closing, Bobby, you've accomplished so much, and I

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Speaker 1: know there's a lot more you want to do. But

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Speaker 1: what do you think is next for you? Are you

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Speaker 1: happy building this new very successful, very well loved brand

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00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: and kind of making this? You know this? You're not.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say final act because I said,

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Speaker 1: but you know, are you? Are you looking to do

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Speaker 1: anything more after this?

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Speaker 3: You think? Open to anything?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 3: I have no thoughts or plans.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I love what I'm doing at Jones Road.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it's my favorite place to be

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Speaker 4: is in my office with all the kids that work

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Speaker 4: for me, and you know, talk about cool things that

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00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 4: are doing. It's it's it's my it's my happiness, you know.

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Speaker 4: Between that and Lily and Sean, my grandkids, it's like

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Speaker 4: it's just the best.

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Speaker 1: And you really love to work. I mean I'm the

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Speaker 1: same way. I love to work. It just work gives

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Speaker 1: me purpose.

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Speaker 4: And it gives and it like infuses energy and I

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Speaker 4: meet new peace and I get to, you know, use

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Speaker 4: my creativity and my curiosity.

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Speaker 3: I do. I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love new experiences. I don't know what else is

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Speaker 4: ahead in the future. I would like to figure out

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Speaker 4: a way to have more free time, but not until

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Speaker 4: this book is on the New York Times bestsellers list.

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Speaker 3: Hey everybody, I need your help.

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Speaker 1: Bobby, thank you so much. This was so much fun.

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