WEBVTT - Fin Argus and Chris Renfro Leave Their Ghosts Behind 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:10.600 What's that at the bed? 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:11.639 Spooky? 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.480 Hey Jooky, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:28.920 Wait a minute, I sas Nandas Please Hey boo, it's 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:35.239 me Ros and welcome to Ghosted by Ros Hernandez, the 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.840 podcast where I talk to people that I like about 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:40.080 the paranormal. 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.680 We've been getting so lucky with guests that have incredible 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.519 stories and we're gonna talk to Finn Argus and Chris 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:55.640 Renfro they have got store raise. Before we get to that, 0:00:55.760 --> 0:01:00.160 let me read you a story from a listener. I'm 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.080 obsessed with this. This came to my email Ghosted by 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:09.360 razat gmail dot com. This came from Melanie. Melanie writes, Hey, Raz, 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:14.000 loved thepod. I have some ghost tea to spill. Long 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:19.240 story short, my husband and I are Polly. This is 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.119 exciting for me. And just so you know, I love 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:28.279 the polycommunity. I want as many poly people to listen 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:32.280 to this show. Get all you get the whole polycule listening, 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:37.080 and you know what, bring bring the whole polycule to 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:41.080 my live shows. That's That's why I'll be honest with you. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:46.160 I want Polly people to be my fan so I 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.760 can sell more tickets. I'm just gonna be just gonna 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.480 be honest with you. I'm kidding. I do love it though. Anyway, 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.800 back to the story, we had this girlfriend last Halloween 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:03.080 that had two ghosts of her past lovers in her 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:08.680 house where they died. Ooh. So, being a paranormal researcher, 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:14.600 I sage her house. The sage stick ignited on fire, 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.560 which was the first bad vibe. So for the first 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.440 three months that we dated this scale, I felt like 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.560 she wasn't into me, like at all, so I questioned 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.160 everything she told me. The week before we broke this 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.000 thruple off, it's three am. I'm trying to get it 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.799 on with my husband and let me say, I live 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:42.359 with my phone on silent. Okay. So it's three am, 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:47.680 February twenty twenty four, getting frisky and this phone rings 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.480 and the ringer sounds like it's from nineteen ninety nine. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:55.680 We stopped to check our phones. There were no missed calls. Okay, 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.720 back to what we were trying to do. Right Immediately 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.600 we hear nineteen forty's trumpet music, but it's faint and 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.360 static sounding. So I say to the spirit, let me 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.200 get it on. I'll meet you in the cemetery in 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:15.480 the afternoon. So I go to the cemetery. I set 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:21.560 up a SB seven spirit box session and this female 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:27.400 ghost is loud and clear. She says, mel I need help. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.600 I ask what do you need help with? She responds, 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.480 I'm so angry. I ask what are you angry at? 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:39.320 She responds the living. I ask if it's about our girlfriend, 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.360 and I swear she drained my fresh batteries. So I 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.040 stop talking to the ex girlfriend and as soon as 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:54.720 I do, guess what, she was never gay? All right, 0:03:55.080 --> 0:04:00.880 thank you, Melanie. I want as many thriple involved stories. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.640 This kind of thing is my favorite, sou anythre up. 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:10.560 That's the other thing with these polyamorous polycules, more opportunities 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.920 for ghost stories. Well, I know one of you gotta story, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.320 so send them on in. I love reading them. Bring 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.560 your polycule to see me live. This is an exciting 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:24.080 time right now here in December, because I am about 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.560 to go to Brooklyn, New York. The tickets for that show, 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:32.200 I believe, are twelve dollars real inexpensive. I'm going to 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.520 be at Little Field and that is going to be 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:40.159 on the eighth of December, and that's a bigger place 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:44.360 than I'm used to. So work on, work on, you know, 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.839 maybe bring up, bring a couple of dates with you. 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.440 Why not a lot of tickets to sell their twelve 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.359 dollars come seeb I don't do shows in New York enough. 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.440 Also that same week, uh, the eleventh, coming up real soon, 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.479 I'm going to be in Portland doing Ghosted Live. And 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.080 that's the other thing. Uh, my show in New York 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.760 is also Ghosted Live. I'm doing Ghosted Live in Portland, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.320 and I'm also doing Ghosted Live in Seattle on the 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:14.159 thirteenth of December. Oh, it's all coming up so soon. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.080 I'm also going to be doing a stand up show 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:21.000 not about ghosts in Seattle the exact same night. So 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:25.560 find all of those tickets at linktree dot com slash 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:31.040 raz Hernanzas. Okay, let's hear some stories from Finn Argus 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:40.840 and Chris renfro on with the show. Chris and Finn, Hi, Hi, 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.039 I'm so happy you guys are here. You know, I 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:49.600 was so obsessed with cheers Folk, the one the one 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:50.960 that you guys, the two of you around. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:52.640 Yeah, I loved it. 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.360 That makes sense because I was a ghost, you were 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:55.920 a ghost. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.400 I love New Orleans. I love that there was as 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.400 a trans character, such a diverse cat. I loved it, 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.320 I really did. You were both wonderful. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:07.320 Thank you. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.680 Yeah, it was such a fun experience. That's how we met. Ah, Yeah, 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:12.239 New Orleans. 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.719 We met on the Halloween, two weeks before filming. Yeah. 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.960 It was truly just elevant, like the. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:23.280 Best time of my life, regardless of like the like 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.599 the production outcome or whatever, just like the experience of 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.760 being there with everyone at gay Summer Camp and then 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.520 meeting kind or whatever we wanted. It was beautiful. It 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:31.960 was perfect. 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.280 Yeah, we had a lot of downtime and we spent 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.520 it in my apartment watching the Great British Baking Show Cute, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.120 which was haunted. By the way, my apartment was fully haunted. 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.600 Tell us, because I mean New Orleans, the ghosts love it. 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:50.080 That's like super welcomed ghost That's like it's like pe 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.880 Town for ghosts, Like they all just go there and 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:55.200 let their hair down. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:01.280 The rumors are true. It's incredibly haunted, and my apartment specifically, 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.120 it kind of felt like a dark energy. I'll be honest, 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:09.240 I haven't encountered a lot of like dark spirits in 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.120 my time but that apartment felt like there was someone 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.080 there who wasn't happy about being there, and there were 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.440 a lot of creeks and groans. And I don't know, 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.600 but you slept in the haunted room more often than 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.440 I did. Yeah, and that's why I'm like this, Yeah, 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:26.880 it really shaped your personality. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:28.679 Were you in like the same building. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.720 No, we lived like what like four blocks away from 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.800 each other, but we basically lived with each other. We 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.640 were doing slumber parties and whatever else, and if we 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.680 didn't want to spend the night at the other person's house, 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.440 we would walk four minutes home. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.360 It was like really nice, but both were haunted. 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:52.280 Mine was haunted in that the landlord was weird. Okay, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.520 he kind of just would like show up and like 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.960 talk to me when I was hungover, and I thought 0:07:58.960 --> 0:07:59.960 that that was like pretty. 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.600 To a Yeah that's I don't like that. Yeah, hey, 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.760 what's going on? Like, Oh I had a landlord that 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.640 was like that one time when I had a dog 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.200 that I wasn't allowed to have and I was trying 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.360 to hide the dog and then the landlord would like 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.520 show up all the time and be like I heard 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.760 you have a dog, and I'm like no, that's a lie. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.520 And then you can like hear the dog. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.080 Like, yeah, I was not just my boyfriend on a leash. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:30.080 That's my boyfriend. We do puppy play and he's crazy. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.640 So your landlord was a kink shamer. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.160 He was a kink shamer. 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.480 You could take him to court for that, and I will. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.640 Do you both believe in ghosts? First off? 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.840 I do to a degree. I like go back and 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.400 forth about it. Me too, I don't know if I 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.240 believe in I don't believe in ghosts in like the 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:58.000 Hollywood sense of like a bodily spirit, but I do 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.600 believe in sort of like wayward energies. 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.360 The imprint of energy. Yeah, yeah, as opposed to like 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:05.600 a floating sheet. Yeah. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.840 And it's like why do you have Calvin Klein's on, 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.360 you know, It's like I don't believe in that. Yeah. 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.040 I feel similarly, I'm kind of agnostic when it comes 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.559 to ghosts, like I don't I just don't know, and 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.720 I have stories, but you know, I do so much, 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:23.280 uh like justifying in my head, like I use logic 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:24.720 to make it all make sense in my head. But 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.440 then there are some things that I look back on, 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.800 like the Big Ghost story that I have that I 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:29.880 just can't really explain. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.800 Yeah, yeah, I mean that's how it should be. It's like, 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.920 I don't know. I think if you're too gullible or 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:42.920 you just choose to believe everything, that's like how conspiracy 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.400 theory Like, It's like there's so many things, so many 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.559 tricky places that can take you if you're just like, yeah, 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.480 this is real. This is like I don't know. I 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:54.200 think it's good to have the logical brain, and if 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.400 you can't come up with an answer, then it's like, 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.240 well I tried. Yeah, I guess it's a ghost. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.800 Okay, you obviously believe in ghosts, Like what is your like, 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.040 what is your overarching hmm thought on it all. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:10.560 My take on ghosts is I find it really fascinating 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.080 and I want to see it for myself, and I 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.480 believe other people way more than I believe myself. If 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.800 I'm like in these situations, I'm like that I don't 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.240 think that was a ghost. I don't know what it was. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.760 But the other thing is I'm real dumb and I 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:28.520 don't know what most things are, so I can't like explain, 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.760 like I don't know how plumbing works. If I hear 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.720 a bang in the walls or whatever. So I'm like, 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.160 that was a ghost? I guess I don't know, but 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:37.400 I'm sure there's an answer. 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.280 Did the ghost call you a faggot once? 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:45.040 Once? It's actually happened a few times. A few times. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.480 It's happened a few times, but only one time has 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:52.080 been publicly shared. I have one that's been documented that 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.800 I have not shared with the world. Uh, and now 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:57.640 I fear that it's on the hard drive that I 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:03.640 just uh destroyed accident. But yes, I did recently have 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:09.200 it happened again recently, Yes, same one, different ghosts. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.480 WHA. Yeah, so you don't believe in ghosts, but you've 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.840 been called a faggot by multiple ghosts. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:19.720 Well, I don't know who who called me. I don't 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:20.520 know who it was. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.760 Could have been Neil Patrick Harris for all I know. 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:23.679 I don't know. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.960 You were tuned into some frequency in someone hate grimed you. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.280 Here's the thing. It's a machine that I barely know 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.960 how it works. All I know is that it basically 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:37.120 quickly goes through radio channels and you know who knows, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.520 possibly people like a trucker on a CBE radio or something, 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.480 and they hear me being like, is there a ghost here? 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.640 And then the trucker's like fuck, Like, I don't know. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.640 I don't know, but I know that somebody said it, 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.800 or it sounded like that's what they said. Maybe they 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.560 said Bob Saget. I don't know what they said, grab 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:03.840 it because it but rabbit maggot. I don't know. They 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.080 could have said a lot of things, but I choose 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.280 to believe. You know, actually, I don't even I let 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.200 everyone else decide. I don't ever like to say I 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.120 believe this is what this is. I'm not a fan 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.360 at all of people that are like, that's a demon, 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.600 that's a ghost. Here's how you get rid of it. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:25.160 Here's what you do. Like, I don't know, it's about 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.320 invisible people we've never met. I'm a comedian and I 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:29.360 just think it's interesting. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.520 Yeah, it sounds like you're like an active observer, but 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.440 a passive participant in the whole process. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.480 Yeah, I'm not. I'm not an authority. I'm a silly 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.880 person that likes to talk about it and learn about it. 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.199 Right, here's what I heard. What do you think? Yeah, 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.000 that's how I feel about my ghost stories. Like I 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.520 remember this information and I can say it out loud, 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.959 but I don't have any like, I haven't labeled it 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.520 as a ghost story necessarily, but yeah I have because 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.480 I'm here, I give it. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:04.679 Okay, Okay, Okay, we'll decide. Okay, damn it. That reminds me, jeha, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:10.880 somebody sent me a a gavel. Oh shit, really, yes, 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.080 it came to my peel box the other day, and 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:17.360 I'm sorry I didn't bring it because I do like 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:22.120 to sort of go, that's a ghost m You know 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.040 a lot of my guests come here with the same situation. 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.160 I don't know if it was. I've decided I'm because 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.839 I'm like, who decides any of this shit? You always 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.760 see these articles the most haunted places in Los Angeles? 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.680 What do you mean the most hot? Like? What number? Two? 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.240 Number three? Who's raking that? 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:41.800 Me? 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.680 I'm deciding. I'm the one that's deciding. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.760 Yeah, And it's a tight race at the top, like one, two, three, 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.920 they're just separated by like a ghoster two or three. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.120 Well, and there's also tampering with the votes. I've heard 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.000 you can't trust this stuff. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.240 Yeah, because what if the ghosts are voting too? We 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:06.000 don't exactly clay, Okay, so I have a ghost story, Okay, go, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.360 I'll try to give the sort of a bridged version 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:15.400 because it spans over a long time. I dated someone 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.760 named Lucy when I was in middle school in high school. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:24.360 We dated for three years and she was very sensitive 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.200 to spiritual activity, and she said that her house was haunted. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.760 She spoke to the ghosts. She was like, yeah, my 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.560 house is haunted. The ghosts are around, but we're tight. 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.760 It's like it's chill. I didn't really believe in ghosts, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.840 and when she told me this stuff, I'm like, that's 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:41.960 so interesting and so cool, and I can't wrap my 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.680 head around it. So I just kind of wrote it 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.520 off in my head. But I would hang out at 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.600 her house all the time where I grew up in 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:55.280 the suburbs of Chicago, in the Northwest suburbs, and we 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.360 were in her house in the basement, which was so creepy. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.920 It was decorated like a haunted house. There was a 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.720 twin bed with all these old stuffed animals and dolls 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.920 and like ornate type furniture. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.280 It was something so sinister about a twin bed in general. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.640 Yeah, and it was so weird. It was like no 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.480 one was sleeping in that bed. It felt purely decorative, 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.840 and I was confused why it was there. It had 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:20.840 a sinister energy, and it was in contrast to the 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.360 rest of the house, which was modern. And I have 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.520 no idea why that was down there. But we were 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.600 watching Mister Nobody in the basement of her house. 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:30.480 I don't know what that is. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:36.840 It's a movie starring Jared Leto. Yeah, So we were 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.160 watching Mister Nobody and I fell asleep probably halfway through, 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:45.320 and I woke up in the basement on the couch 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.720 and I couldn't move. I was just in darkness on 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.920 this couch, and I saw a woman who I thought 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.960 was Lucy, standing at the other side of the room, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:04.280 and I tried to speak, couldn't and this woman, this figure, 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.920 in what felt like a blink, appeared in front of 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:15.240 me with her face contorted into a scream like pain, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.720 screaming at the top of her lungs. But there was 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:22.800 no sound right in my face, and I was crawling 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.040 out of my skin, trying to move my body and 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:26.960 I couldn't, and I was trying to scream too. I 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:31.640 was so terrified. And then eventually I like brought myself 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.400 out of this moment and screamed at the top of 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.920 my lungs and woke up. I say with quotation marks, 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.320 because I woke up in that exact same position in 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.800 the basement and the woman was gone, and I was 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.640 so confused. It felt like a dream. It felt like 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:51.400 a nightmare. And I relate this experience to sleep paralysis. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.480 You know, I've heard a lot of people talk about 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.920 sleep paralysis. And I don't know what to make of that, 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.920 Like was that a ghost or was I imagining it? 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.560 Or was it a dream? I'm not really sure, but 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.159 it felt so so real, and I was dreaming in 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.720 the exact position that I woke up in, like lying 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:13.119 on my side on the couch in Lucy's basement. So 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.879 this happened, and again I wrote it off and like 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:18.840 that was a bad dream. I still didn't really believe 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.720 in ghosts, and I didn't talk to Lucy about it 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.920 because I was like whatever she oh. Also, it details 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.199 that she went up to sleep in her room, like 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.199 she left me in the basement, So I woke up 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.520 in that room alone and all the lights were off, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.240 the TV was off. So then some time passes, I 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.800 don't tell her about this because well, it was just 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:39.200 a dream. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:40.200 It's no big deal. 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.399 A few months later or something. I don't know how 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.840 long it was. This is so long ago. But I 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.399 was coming upstairs from her basement, the same basement, and 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.280 I got to the top of the stairs, and as 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.159 I rounded it, I saw Lucy at the bottom of 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.120 the stairs, like rounding the bottom of the staircase, and 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:01.679 she had her fridge in the basement. I thought she 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.119 was going to get a soda or something. But I 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.320 was confused because I had just come from down there 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.439 from grabbing a soda. And I called to her. I'm like, Lucy, 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.639 are you down there? She didn't say anything. I'm like, 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.200 I grabbed you a soda, I have your soda, and 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:21.480 there's nothing. And so then I raised my voice, say Lucy, 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:28.200 and then she calls back to me from upstairs. I 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:33.359 could have absolutely sworn. I saw a woman with long 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.399 brown hair rounding the bottom of the steps like I wasn't. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.560 I didn't even question it. So I was like, oh, 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.400 that's Lucy, Like it's so weird that you're down there. 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.639 I just got us our SODA's and I could have 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:47.800 oh my god, I could have sworn. And so then 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.920 after that I freaked out, and I ran up to 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.399 her and I was like, Okay, is there somebody else here? 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.040 I'm really confused and freaked out right now. And I 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.480 told her about my dream and then also this experience, 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.359 and then she was like, Okay, I'm gonna hold your 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.520 hand when I say this. That is a ghost that 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.199 haunts my house and I see her and I have 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.920 spoken to her, and she is in immense pain. And 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:16.679 for whatever reason, I think she's latched onto you latched 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.119 onto me? Did she for what is this punishment for 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.000 watching a Jared Leto movie? 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.159 Did she get her want that? The ghost? 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:27.520 The ghost got her soda? 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:28.720 That's good? 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.400 And Lucy broke it down for me. She was talking 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.400 about all the spirits in her house and how this 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:37.200 one specifically was in an immense amount of pain, and 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.240 I don't remember exactly how she described it, but told 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:43.720 me that this ghost had kind of attached itself to me, 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.080 which was the worst news possible because I didn't believe 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.400 in ghosts. But that was almost a defense mechanism because 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.800 I was so scared of ghosts and demons totally. I 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:57.440 was raised so religious, so I believed in in like spirits. Hardcore? 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.479 What kind of religion Evangelical Christian. 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:03.640 Yeah. Yeah. 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.440 I was always hearing tell of like demons in my floorboards. 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.160 And I at this point had kind of separated myself 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.439 from church and religion and I was on more of 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.000 like an atheist type beat. So I was like, no, 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.159 ghosts aren't real. I don't believe in any of that. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.760 But then she told me this about this woman who 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.440 had attached herself to me, and it, oh my god, 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.440 it shook me to my core. And there's a couple 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.840 more instances where this woman came up in my life. 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:34.679 Stop outside of the house. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.160 Outside of the house. 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.520 Now she's Sam Smith because maybe she's latched. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.440 I is it a little flattering? 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.000 I mean, I feel like I'm blushing talking about it, Yeah, 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.439 because I'm like, why did she latch onto me? Like? 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:53.280 Was it the ladies love you? 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:57.880 Okay? So the only other times that I have encountered this, 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:02.800 this ghostly woman was after I had moved away. That 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.520 all happened around the time when I was about to 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.520 move away from Illinois to California, which is when I 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:13.359 was fifteen or sixteen, and Lucy and I remained friends, 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.479 but we weren't dating anymore, and I met someone in 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.800 La who also was a medium. Like that that was 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:21.320 their gig. 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:23.359 That's when you first moved to LA. You have to 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.600 meet a media. Yeah, that's how you know you're in LA. 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:27.520 I was doing a photo shoot with him. He was 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.600 a photographer perfect well, yeah, we were doing a Halloween 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.720 themed photo shoot where I was playing a ghost and 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:37.080 he told me that he was a medium, and he 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.960 asked if he could tell me something, What do you 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.480 mean would you have to tell me? It's like, don't 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.800 don't freak out, but there is a spirit that is 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:51.400 attached to you. And this person like, of course had 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.280 never met Lucy. I hadn't brought this up, but he 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:59.000 was like, there is this woman who is grieving, who 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:03.560 has attached herself to you because she senses your your 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:09.399 empathy or something and just wants to be close to 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:13.080 you and has like attached herself to your your spirit. 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.200 And then described you know, this same woman, which it's 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.920 like a generic description, but it was the same description 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.399 as a woman that I saw in my sleep, paralysis 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.600 and at the bottom of the stairs. The culmination of 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.919 this story is when I was younger, I did this 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.520 YouTuber tour where it was just a bunch of teen 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:41.200 boys doing meet and greets and it's like mag Con. 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:42.120 It was that type of thing. 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:43.240 Were you a YouTuber? 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.679 No, but I was invited to perform as the musical guest. 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.520 I played the ukulele and I was just there was 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:55.040 my like Hawaiian print t shirts like it was. It 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:55.720 was a time. 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:56.480