Speaker 1: What's that at the bed?
Speaker 2: Spooky?
Speaker 1: Hey Jooky, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I sas Nandas Please Hey boo, it's
Speaker 3: me Ros and welcome to Ghosted by Ros Hernandez, the
Speaker 3: podcast where I talk to people that I like about
Speaker 3: the paranormal.
Speaker 1: We've been getting so lucky with guests that have incredible
Speaker 1: stories and we're gonna talk to Finn Argus and Chris
Speaker 1: Renfro they have got store raise. Before we get to that,
Speaker 1: let me read you a story from a listener. I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with this. This came to my email Ghosted by
Speaker 1: razat gmail dot com. This came from Melanie. Melanie writes, Hey, Raz,
Speaker 1: loved thepod. I have some ghost tea to spill. Long
Speaker 1: story short, my husband and I are Polly. This is
Speaker 1: exciting for me. And just so you know, I love
Speaker 1: the polycommunity. I want as many poly people to listen
Speaker 1: to this show. Get all you get the whole polycule listening,
Speaker 1: and you know what, bring bring the whole polycule to
Speaker 1: my live shows. That's That's why I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I want Polly people to be my fan so I
Speaker 1: can sell more tickets. I'm just gonna be just gonna
Speaker 1: be honest with you. I'm kidding. I do love it though. Anyway,
Speaker 1: back to the story, we had this girlfriend last Halloween
Speaker 1: that had two ghosts of her past lovers in her
Speaker 1: house where they died. Ooh. So, being a paranormal researcher,
Speaker 1: I sage her house. The sage stick ignited on fire,
Speaker 1: which was the first bad vibe. So for the first
Speaker 1: three months that we dated this scale, I felt like
Speaker 1: she wasn't into me, like at all, so I questioned
Speaker 1: everything she told me. The week before we broke this
Speaker 1: thruple off, it's three am. I'm trying to get it
Speaker 1: on with my husband and let me say, I live
Speaker 1: with my phone on silent. Okay. So it's three am,
Speaker 1: February twenty twenty four, getting frisky and this phone rings
Speaker 1: and the ringer sounds like it's from nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: We stopped to check our phones. There were no missed calls. Okay,
Speaker 1: back to what we were trying to do. Right Immediately
Speaker 1: we hear nineteen forty's trumpet music, but it's faint and
Speaker 1: static sounding. So I say to the spirit, let me
Speaker 1: get it on. I'll meet you in the cemetery in
Speaker 1: the afternoon. So I go to the cemetery. I set
Speaker 1: up a SB seven spirit box session and this female
Speaker 1: ghost is loud and clear. She says, mel I need help.
Speaker 1: I ask what do you need help with? She responds,
Speaker 1: I'm so angry. I ask what are you angry at?
Speaker 1: She responds the living. I ask if it's about our girlfriend,
Speaker 1: and I swear she drained my fresh batteries. So I
Speaker 1: stop talking to the ex girlfriend and as soon as
Speaker 1: I do, guess what, she was never gay? All right,
Speaker 1: thank you, Melanie. I want as many thriple involved stories.
Speaker 1: This kind of thing is my favorite, sou anythre up.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing with these polyamorous polycules, more opportunities
Speaker 1: for ghost stories. Well, I know one of you gotta story,
Speaker 1: so send them on in. I love reading them. Bring
Speaker 1: your polycule to see me live. This is an exciting
Speaker 1: time right now here in December, because I am about
Speaker 1: to go to Brooklyn, New York. The tickets for that show,
Speaker 1: I believe, are twelve dollars real inexpensive. I'm going to
Speaker 1: be at Little Field and that is going to be
Speaker 1: on the eighth of December, and that's a bigger place
Speaker 1: than I'm used to. So work on, work on, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe bring up, bring a couple of dates with you.
Speaker 1: Why not a lot of tickets to sell their twelve
Speaker 1: dollars come seeb I don't do shows in New York enough.
Speaker 1: Also that same week, uh, the eleventh, coming up real soon,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in Portland doing Ghosted Live. And
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. Uh, my show in New York
Speaker 1: is also Ghosted Live. I'm doing Ghosted Live in Portland,
Speaker 1: and I'm also doing Ghosted Live in Seattle on the
Speaker 1: thirteenth of December. Oh, it's all coming up so soon.
Speaker 1: I'm also going to be doing a stand up show
Speaker 1: not about ghosts in Seattle the exact same night. So
Speaker 1: find all of those tickets at linktree dot com slash
Speaker 1: raz Hernanzas. Okay, let's hear some stories from Finn Argus
Speaker 1: and Chris renfro on with the show. Chris and Finn, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy you guys are here. You know, I
Speaker 1: was so obsessed with cheers Folk, the one the one
Speaker 1: that you guys, the two of you around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 2: That makes sense because I was a ghost, you were
Speaker 2: a ghost.
Speaker 1: I love New Orleans. I love that there was as
Speaker 1: a trans character, such a diverse cat. I loved it,
Speaker 1: I really did. You were both wonderful.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was such a fun experience. That's how we met. Ah, Yeah,
Speaker 4: New Orleans.
Speaker 2: We met on the Halloween, two weeks before filming. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was truly just elevant, like the.
Speaker 2: Best time of my life, regardless of like the like
Speaker 2: the production outcome or whatever, just like the experience of
Speaker 2: being there with everyone at gay Summer Camp and then
Speaker 2: meeting kind or whatever we wanted. It was beautiful. It
Speaker 2: was perfect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a lot of downtime and we spent
Speaker 4: it in my apartment watching the Great British Baking Show Cute,
Speaker 4: which was haunted. By the way, my apartment was fully haunted.
Speaker 1: Tell us, because I mean New Orleans, the ghosts love it.
Speaker 1: That's like super welcomed ghost That's like it's like pe
Speaker 1: Town for ghosts, Like they all just go there and
Speaker 1: let their hair down.
Speaker 4: The rumors are true. It's incredibly haunted, and my apartment specifically,
Speaker 4: it kind of felt like a dark energy. I'll be honest,
Speaker 4: I haven't encountered a lot of like dark spirits in
Speaker 4: my time but that apartment felt like there was someone
Speaker 4: there who wasn't happy about being there, and there were
Speaker 4: a lot of creeks and groans. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: but you slept in the haunted room more often than
Speaker 4: I did. Yeah, and that's why I'm like this, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it really shaped your personality.
Speaker 1: Were you in like the same building.
Speaker 2: No, we lived like what like four blocks away from
Speaker 2: each other, but we basically lived with each other. We
Speaker 2: were doing slumber parties and whatever else, and if we
Speaker 2: didn't want to spend the night at the other person's house,
Speaker 2: we would walk four minutes home.
Speaker 1: It was like really nice, but both were haunted.
Speaker 2: Mine was haunted in that the landlord was weird. Okay,
Speaker 2: he kind of just would like show up and like
Speaker 2: talk to me when I was hungover, and I thought
Speaker 2: that that was like pretty.
Speaker 1: To a Yeah that's I don't like that. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Like, Oh I had a landlord that
Speaker 1: was like that one time when I had a dog
Speaker 1: that I wasn't allowed to have and I was trying
Speaker 1: to hide the dog and then the landlord would like
Speaker 1: show up all the time and be like I heard
Speaker 1: you have a dog, and I'm like no, that's a lie.
Speaker 1: And then you can like hear the dog.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I was not just my boyfriend on a leash.
Speaker 1: That's my boyfriend. We do puppy play and he's crazy.
Speaker 4: So your landlord was a kink shamer.
Speaker 1: He was a kink shamer.
Speaker 4: You could take him to court for that, and I will.
Speaker 1: Do you both believe in ghosts? First off?
Speaker 2: I do to a degree. I like go back and
Speaker 2: forth about it. Me too, I don't know if I
Speaker 2: believe in I don't believe in ghosts in like the
Speaker 2: Hollywood sense of like a bodily spirit, but I do
Speaker 2: believe in sort of like wayward energies.
Speaker 4: The imprint of energy. Yeah, yeah, as opposed to like
Speaker 4: a floating sheet. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's like why do you have Calvin Klein's on,
Speaker 2: you know, It's like I don't believe in that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel similarly, I'm kind of agnostic when it comes
Speaker 4: to ghosts, like I don't I just don't know, and
Speaker 4: I have stories, but you know, I do so much,
Speaker 4: uh like justifying in my head, like I use logic
Speaker 4: to make it all make sense in my head. But
Speaker 4: then there are some things that I look back on,
Speaker 4: like the Big Ghost story that I have that I
Speaker 4: just can't really explain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's how it should be. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think if you're too gullible or
Speaker 1: you just choose to believe everything, that's like how conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory Like, It's like there's so many things, so many
Speaker 1: tricky places that can take you if you're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is real. This is like I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's good to have the logical brain, and if
Speaker 1: you can't come up with an answer, then it's like,
Speaker 1: well I tried. Yeah, I guess it's a ghost.
Speaker 2: Okay, you obviously believe in ghosts, Like what is your like,
Speaker 2: what is your overarching hmm thought on it all.
Speaker 1: My take on ghosts is I find it really fascinating
Speaker 1: and I want to see it for myself, and I
Speaker 1: believe other people way more than I believe myself. If
Speaker 1: I'm like in these situations, I'm like that I don't
Speaker 1: think that was a ghost. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: But the other thing is I'm real dumb and I
Speaker 1: don't know what most things are, so I can't like explain,
Speaker 1: like I don't know how plumbing works. If I hear
Speaker 1: a bang in the walls or whatever. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: that was a ghost? I guess I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's an answer.
Speaker 2: Did the ghost call you a faggot once?
Speaker 1: Once? It's actually happened a few times. A few times.
Speaker 1: It's happened a few times, but only one time has
Speaker 1: been publicly shared. I have one that's been documented that
Speaker 1: I have not shared with the world. Uh, and now
Speaker 1: I fear that it's on the hard drive that I
Speaker 1: just uh destroyed accident. But yes, I did recently have
Speaker 1: it happened again recently, Yes, same one, different ghosts.
Speaker 4: WHA. Yeah, so you don't believe in ghosts, but you've
Speaker 4: been called a faggot by multiple ghosts.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know who who called me. I don't
Speaker 1: know who it was.
Speaker 2: Could have been Neil Patrick Harris for all I know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: You were tuned into some frequency in someone hate grimed you.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's a machine that I barely know
Speaker 1: how it works. All I know is that it basically
Speaker 1: quickly goes through radio channels and you know who knows,
Speaker 1: possibly people like a trucker on a CBE radio or something,
Speaker 1: and they hear me being like, is there a ghost here?
Speaker 1: And then the trucker's like fuck, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know that somebody said it,
Speaker 1: or it sounded like that's what they said. Maybe they
Speaker 1: said Bob Saget. I don't know what they said, grab
Speaker 1: it because it but rabbit maggot. I don't know. They
Speaker 1: could have said a lot of things, but I choose
Speaker 1: to believe. You know, actually, I don't even I let
Speaker 1: everyone else decide. I don't ever like to say I
Speaker 1: believe this is what this is. I'm not a fan
Speaker 1: at all of people that are like, that's a demon,
Speaker 1: that's a ghost. Here's how you get rid of it.
Speaker 1: Here's what you do. Like, I don't know, it's about
Speaker 1: invisible people we've never met. I'm a comedian and I
Speaker 1: just think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you're like an active observer, but
Speaker 2: a passive participant in the whole process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not an authority. I'm a silly
Speaker 1: person that likes to talk about it and learn about it.
Speaker 4: Right, here's what I heard. What do you think? Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's how I feel about my ghost stories. Like I
Speaker 4: remember this information and I can say it out loud,
Speaker 4: but I don't have any like, I haven't labeled it
Speaker 4: as a ghost story necessarily, but yeah I have because
Speaker 4: I'm here, I give it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Okay, we'll decide. Okay, damn it. That reminds me, jeha,
Speaker 1: somebody sent me a a gavel. Oh shit, really, yes,
Speaker 1: it came to my peel box the other day, and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't bring it because I do like
Speaker 1: to sort of go, that's a ghost m You know
Speaker 1: a lot of my guests come here with the same situation.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was. I've decided I'm because
Speaker 1: I'm like, who decides any of this shit? You always
Speaker 1: see these articles the most haunted places in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1: What do you mean the most hot? Like? What number? Two?
Speaker 1: Number three? Who's raking that?
Speaker 4: Me?
Speaker 1: I'm deciding. I'm the one that's deciding.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's a tight race at the top, like one, two, three,
Speaker 4: they're just separated by like a ghoster two or three.
Speaker 1: Well, and there's also tampering with the votes. I've heard
Speaker 1: you can't trust this stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because what if the ghosts are voting too? We
Speaker 4: don't exactly clay, Okay, so I have a ghost story, Okay, go,
Speaker 4: I'll try to give the sort of a bridged version
Speaker 4: because it spans over a long time. I dated someone
Speaker 4: named Lucy when I was in middle school in high school.
Speaker 4: We dated for three years and she was very sensitive
Speaker 4: to spiritual activity, and she said that her house was haunted.
Speaker 4: She spoke to the ghosts. She was like, yeah, my
Speaker 4: house is haunted. The ghosts are around, but we're tight.
Speaker 4: It's like it's chill. I didn't really believe in ghosts,
Speaker 4: and when she told me this stuff, I'm like, that's
Speaker 4: so interesting and so cool, and I can't wrap my
Speaker 4: head around it. So I just kind of wrote it
Speaker 4: off in my head. But I would hang out at
Speaker 4: her house all the time where I grew up in
Speaker 4: the suburbs of Chicago, in the Northwest suburbs, and we
Speaker 4: were in her house in the basement, which was so creepy.
Speaker 4: It was decorated like a haunted house. There was a
Speaker 4: twin bed with all these old stuffed animals and dolls
Speaker 4: and like ornate type furniture.
Speaker 2: It was something so sinister about a twin bed in general.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was so weird. It was like no
Speaker 4: one was sleeping in that bed. It felt purely decorative,
Speaker 4: and I was confused why it was there. It had
Speaker 4: a sinister energy, and it was in contrast to the
Speaker 4: rest of the house, which was modern. And I have
Speaker 4: no idea why that was down there. But we were
Speaker 4: watching Mister Nobody in the basement of her house.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4: It's a movie starring Jared Leto. Yeah, So we were
Speaker 4: watching Mister Nobody and I fell asleep probably halfway through,
Speaker 4: and I woke up in the basement on the couch
Speaker 4: and I couldn't move. I was just in darkness on
Speaker 4: this couch, and I saw a woman who I thought
Speaker 4: was Lucy, standing at the other side of the room,
Speaker 4: and I tried to speak, couldn't and this woman, this figure,
Speaker 4: in what felt like a blink, appeared in front of
Speaker 4: me with her face contorted into a scream like pain,
Speaker 4: screaming at the top of her lungs. But there was
Speaker 4: no sound right in my face, and I was crawling
Speaker 4: out of my skin, trying to move my body and
Speaker 4: I couldn't, and I was trying to scream too. I
Speaker 4: was so terrified. And then eventually I like brought myself
Speaker 4: out of this moment and screamed at the top of
Speaker 4: my lungs and woke up. I say with quotation marks,
Speaker 4: because I woke up in that exact same position in
Speaker 4: the basement and the woman was gone, and I was
Speaker 4: so confused. It felt like a dream. It felt like
Speaker 4: a nightmare. And I relate this experience to sleep paralysis.
Speaker 4: You know, I've heard a lot of people talk about
Speaker 4: sleep paralysis. And I don't know what to make of that,
Speaker 4: Like was that a ghost or was I imagining it?
Speaker 4: Or was it a dream? I'm not really sure, but
Speaker 4: it felt so so real, and I was dreaming in
Speaker 4: the exact position that I woke up in, like lying
Speaker 4: on my side on the couch in Lucy's basement. So
Speaker 4: this happened, and again I wrote it off and like
Speaker 4: that was a bad dream. I still didn't really believe
Speaker 4: in ghosts, and I didn't talk to Lucy about it
Speaker 4: because I was like whatever she oh. Also, it details
Speaker 4: that she went up to sleep in her room, like
Speaker 4: she left me in the basement, So I woke up
Speaker 4: in that room alone and all the lights were off,
Speaker 4: the TV was off. So then some time passes, I
Speaker 4: don't tell her about this because well, it was just
Speaker 4: a dream.
Speaker 2: It's no big deal.
Speaker 4: A few months later or something. I don't know how
Speaker 4: long it was. This is so long ago. But I
Speaker 4: was coming upstairs from her basement, the same basement, and
Speaker 4: I got to the top of the stairs, and as
Speaker 4: I rounded it, I saw Lucy at the bottom of
Speaker 4: the stairs, like rounding the bottom of the staircase, and
Speaker 4: she had her fridge in the basement. I thought she
Speaker 4: was going to get a soda or something. But I
Speaker 4: was confused because I had just come from down there
Speaker 4: from grabbing a soda. And I called to her. I'm like, Lucy,
Speaker 4: are you down there? She didn't say anything. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I grabbed you a soda, I have your soda, and
Speaker 4: there's nothing. And so then I raised my voice, say Lucy,
Speaker 4: and then she calls back to me from upstairs. I
Speaker 4: could have absolutely sworn. I saw a woman with long
Speaker 4: brown hair rounding the bottom of the steps like I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't even question it. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's Lucy, Like it's so weird that you're down there.
Speaker 4: I just got us our SODA's and I could have
Speaker 4: oh my god, I could have sworn. And so then
Speaker 4: after that I freaked out, and I ran up to
Speaker 4: her and I was like, Okay, is there somebody else here?
Speaker 4: I'm really confused and freaked out right now. And I
Speaker 4: told her about my dream and then also this experience,
Speaker 4: and then she was like, Okay, I'm gonna hold your
Speaker 4: hand when I say this. That is a ghost that
Speaker 4: haunts my house and I see her and I have
Speaker 4: spoken to her, and she is in immense pain. And
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, I think she's latched onto you latched
Speaker 4: onto me? Did she for what is this punishment for
Speaker 4: watching a Jared Leto movie?
Speaker 1: Did she get her want that? The ghost?
Speaker 4: The ghost got her soda?
Speaker 1: That's good?
Speaker 4: And Lucy broke it down for me. She was talking
Speaker 4: about all the spirits in her house and how this
Speaker 4: one specifically was in an immense amount of pain, and
Speaker 4: I don't remember exactly how she described it, but told
Speaker 4: me that this ghost had kind of attached itself to me,
Speaker 4: which was the worst news possible because I didn't believe
Speaker 4: in ghosts. But that was almost a defense mechanism because
Speaker 4: I was so scared of ghosts and demons totally. I
Speaker 4: was raised so religious, so I believed in in like spirits. Hardcore?
Speaker 4: What kind of religion Evangelical Christian.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was always hearing tell of like demons in my floorboards.
Speaker 4: And I at this point had kind of separated myself
Speaker 4: from church and religion and I was on more of
Speaker 4: like an atheist type beat. So I was like, no,
Speaker 4: ghosts aren't real. I don't believe in any of that.
Speaker 4: But then she told me this about this woman who
Speaker 4: had attached herself to me, and it, oh my god,
Speaker 4: it shook me to my core. And there's a couple
Speaker 4: more instances where this woman came up in my life.
Speaker 1: Stop outside of the house.
Speaker 4: Outside of the house.
Speaker 2: Now she's Sam Smith because maybe she's latched.
Speaker 1: I is it a little flattering?
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like I'm blushing talking about it, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I'm like, why did she latch onto me? Like?
Speaker 1: Was it the ladies love you?
Speaker 4: Okay? So the only other times that I have encountered this,
Speaker 4: this ghostly woman was after I had moved away. That
Speaker 4: all happened around the time when I was about to
Speaker 4: move away from Illinois to California, which is when I
Speaker 4: was fifteen or sixteen, and Lucy and I remained friends,
Speaker 4: but we weren't dating anymore, and I met someone in
Speaker 4: La who also was a medium. Like that that was
Speaker 4: their gig.
Speaker 1: That's when you first moved to LA. You have to
Speaker 1: meet a media. Yeah, that's how you know you're in LA.
Speaker 4: I was doing a photo shoot with him. He was
Speaker 4: a photographer perfect well, yeah, we were doing a Halloween
Speaker 4: themed photo shoot where I was playing a ghost and
Speaker 4: he told me that he was a medium, and he
Speaker 4: asked if he could tell me something, What do you
Speaker 4: mean would you have to tell me? It's like, don't
Speaker 4: don't freak out, but there is a spirit that is
Speaker 4: attached to you. And this person like, of course had
Speaker 4: never met Lucy. I hadn't brought this up, but he
Speaker 4: was like, there is this woman who is grieving, who
Speaker 4: has attached herself to you because she senses your your
Speaker 4: empathy or something and just wants to be close to
Speaker 4: you and has like attached herself to your your spirit.
Speaker 4: And then described you know, this same woman, which it's
Speaker 4: like a generic description, but it was the same description
Speaker 4: as a woman that I saw in my sleep, paralysis
Speaker 4: and at the bottom of the stairs. The culmination of
Speaker 4: this story is when I was younger, I did this
Speaker 4: YouTuber tour where it was just a bunch of teen
Speaker 4: boys doing meet and greets and it's like mag Con.
Speaker 4: It was that type of thing.
Speaker 1: Were you a YouTuber?
Speaker 4: No, but I was invited to perform as the musical guest.
Speaker 4: I played the ukulele and I was just there was
Speaker 4: my like Hawaiian print t shirts like it was. It
Speaker 4: was a time.
Speaker 2: It was a time.
Speaker 4: But I went to Pennsylvania. We were in and what
Speaker 4: was it King of Prussia or something, and a few
Speaker 4: of the other kids who were on the tour, they
Speaker 4: would make videos where they would go to abandoned buildings
Speaker 4: and like vlog the experience.
Speaker 1: Classic YouTuber.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they wanted to go to the Penhurst Asylum
Speaker 4: asylum have you been? Do you know of it?
Speaker 1: I know of it. I've never been, So.
Speaker 4: They wanted to go because it was an hour away
Speaker 4: or something. So we piled into the car. In A
Speaker 4: fun detail is that Lucy and our other friend Maggie
Speaker 4: had taken the train into Pennsylvania for the show because
Speaker 4: we were still like really good friends, and we all
Speaker 4: went to this asylum together, I think five of us
Speaker 4: in total, and it's locked, you know, it's not open
Speaker 4: to the public, but we climbed in through a window
Speaker 4: stop we broke into this place.
Speaker 1: Ah, do you have limitations? Is it up?
Speaker 4: I think we're good. And it was the darkest energy
Speaker 4: I've ever felt in my entire life. This place got
Speaker 4: shut down, maybe not in direct result, but there was malpractice.
Speaker 4: I think that's why it got shut down, but I
Speaker 4: might be misremembering that.
Speaker 2: Imagine entering an abandoned the Sane asylum and then immediately
Speaker 2: being like, Okay, the vibes are immacula.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this place is great. I love it here.
Speaker 2: Just a slay the house down boots even sac But
Speaker 2: I think, you know what, I was expecting it to
Speaker 2: be a dark energy, but it felt oppressive, Like I
Speaker 2: entered that building and it felt.
Speaker 4: Like there was a weight on me. Yeah, like a dark,
Speaker 4: wet blanket. And I was just, oh, I hate it
Speaker 4: in here. And it felt like a haunted house, you know.
Speaker 4: We made our way to the basement, where there was
Speaker 4: a school like what looked like a preschool. Yes, in
Speaker 4: the basement of this asylum. The walls were painted with
Speaker 4: like very childlike murals, and there were little desks.
Speaker 2: It was so weird. Beds.
Speaker 4: There's one twin bed in the corner in ornate furniture. Oh,
Speaker 4: it was terrifying, and we found tunnel systems, tunnels, tunnel
Speaker 4: sets to ums.
Speaker 1: Nobody showed up. They don't have security, they don't, it's
Speaker 1: just sitting there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we went into these tunnel systems.
Speaker 1: You deserve whatever happens.
Speaker 4: Next, you know. I don't know why we did that,
Speaker 4: I really don't, but we were headstrong. And there was
Speaker 4: spray paint on the walls, so like people had been
Speaker 4: there before. I think that cut a little bit of
Speaker 4: the nervousness. So we go deeper into these tunnel systems
Speaker 4: underground that connect the four separate buildings of the Penhurst
Speaker 4: Asylum and the spray paint. It starts off like pretty,
Speaker 4: like cute, fun whatever, just like people leaving their tags.
Speaker 4: And then as we go deeper down, we all get
Speaker 4: progressively more and more uncomfortable and scared, until we reach
Speaker 4: the end of the hallway that enters into the next
Speaker 4: building and there is a wheelchair sitting there, just facing
Speaker 4: directly towards us, and none of us can bring ourselves
Speaker 4: to pass it. Like this feels really really wrong. We
Speaker 4: should probably leave, and we make the decision to go back,
Speaker 4: go back the way we came, leave the place.
Speaker 1: This is a real story. This is a real story.
Speaker 1: Because this is good because I've heard a lot of
Speaker 1: people tell me stories about like breaking in and go
Speaker 1: and like for like a second and like whatever, this
Speaker 1: is like good, this is for real. I'm not doubting you,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that so good.
Speaker 4: And it is ridiculous, Like I think this story is ridiculous,
Speaker 4: but I have to tell it because.
Speaker 1: Playing happens and this is the place to do with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we decide, we're like, you know what, this
Speaker 4: is too far. I feel like we've crossed the line.
Speaker 4: This feels wrong and actually, you know, like bad stuff
Speaker 4: happened in this place, like it wasn't It wasn't a
Speaker 4: good idea to go in there.
Speaker 1: Well and if you think of like all the just
Speaker 1: like mental energy and you know, it's just that's heavy.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know all the details of the history
Speaker 4: of this building, but even from what little I knew,
Speaker 4: it just it it felt wrong to be there. So
Speaker 4: we all decided to turn around. And like I said,
Speaker 4: there were five people, so we were kind of there
Speaker 4: are two pairs and then I was the one that
Speaker 4: was sort of singled out. It's what I get for
Speaker 4: breaking up with Lucy. She was with Maggie, and then
Speaker 4: forget the other two.
Speaker 1: Well, you weren't alone because you had Lucy's attachment.
Speaker 4: I had miss miss Mama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mama was with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a woman behind you. So I turn around and
Speaker 4: then we all at the same time realize that the
Speaker 4: tunnel looked as if it had closed behind us, and
Speaker 4: the only thing we could see at the end of
Speaker 4: the hallway was a satanic goat spray painted on the
Speaker 4: wall what perfectly from our vantage point, And so are you.
Speaker 1: Trying to sell this to shutter or one of these houses,
Speaker 1: because this is like, this is good.
Speaker 4: I haven't thought about it, but maybe this will be
Speaker 4: the proof of concept. So we turned around and we
Speaker 4: see the Satanic goat on the wall, and we're like,
Speaker 4: where what happened? Where's the tunnel? Like we just came
Speaker 4: from here right and there were no offshoots, like there
Speaker 4: were locked doors that we couldn't go through. It was
Speaker 4: an illusion. The tunnel like slowly curved as we walked
Speaker 4: through it and didn't realize. So when we turn around,
Speaker 4: it looked as if the tunnel closed in on us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna cut this part out. I liked I like
Speaker 1: that it was closed.
Speaker 2: Well okay, but I'm like Disney imagineering ass shit right
Speaker 2: now where it's like force perspective.
Speaker 4: It was so it was like comically scary, and someone
Speaker 4: thought real hard about putting that satanic goat there. It
Speaker 4: was terrifying, and we all for a solid I don't
Speaker 4: know how long we're convinced that we are trapped in hell,
Speaker 4: Like I actually believe this, and I would think that too.
Speaker 4: I thought we just got swallowed up like this is
Speaker 4: as above so below. We're not getting out of here ever,
Speaker 4: Like we just entered into a different realm and we're like,
Speaker 4: we need to find a way out of here. We
Speaker 4: got to go past the wheelchair and make our way
Speaker 4: out through this other building, but no one could bring
Speaker 4: themselves to do it. We're all so terrified, Yeah that
Speaker 4: no one could bring themselves to go past this wheelchair.
Speaker 4: But you're all together, Yeah, but we were all no
Speaker 4: one could bring up the courage to be the first
Speaker 4: person to walk past it.
Speaker 1: I would have grabbed every like we would all like
Speaker 1: link arms and like a red rover. Yeah, we would
Speaker 1: all go as one chunk like well, I would make
Speaker 1: sure I was in the middle and have everyone around me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we would go.
Speaker 1: That's what I would do.
Speaker 4: You know, in retrospect, that is a great idea, But
Speaker 4: I think I can't remember who it was. But someone
Speaker 4: was like, I'm gonna go back the way we came,
Speaker 4: like I know, there's like a way out. We just
Speaker 4: came from there, and someone ran and realized that the
Speaker 4: tunnel curved, and then we found our way out back
Speaker 4: the way we came because no one could bring themselves
Speaker 4: to go past this wheelchair and we didn't want to
Speaker 4: go all way back from the window we came in
Speaker 4: through because it was sort of far. And we're like,
Speaker 4: certainly we can find another way out. So we find
Speaker 4: another staircase, we see windows where like there's got to
Speaker 4: be another window that we can climb through, or a
Speaker 4: door that's unlocked or something. There's got to be a
Speaker 4: way out of here. And we got we got trapped
Speaker 4: in this building, like we couldn't find our way out,
Speaker 4: and we're getting progressively more and more terrified, and the
Speaker 4: energy is feeling like sinister.
Speaker 1: And demons are loving this.
Speaker 4: They were feeding on our fear. Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: So as we make our way out, we find like
Speaker 4: the doors to the exit and they're they're locked. We
Speaker 4: can't get out, we can't open it from the inside.
Speaker 4: And Lucy kind of like trails away because she wants
Speaker 4: to like find another way out, and she walks and.
Speaker 1: She's so used to go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was less scared than the rest of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know them as these slash those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are like just like her roommates at home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so she was, you know, she was negotiating on
Speaker 4: our behalf, I'm sure. But she goes into this room
Speaker 4: by herself and then all of a sudden starts sobbing,
Speaker 4: like crying, and our other friend goes into comfort her,
Speaker 4: and it's like, what's wrong. She's like, something really really
Speaker 4: bad happened in here, and she was upset. I don't
Speaker 4: know what happened. She didn't talk about it ever, but
Speaker 4: she got really upset by something that happened in that room.
Speaker 4: And when she came back out, it was our friend
Speaker 4: Maggie who went in to comfort her and talk to
Speaker 4: her and try to get her to come out so
Speaker 4: we could get out of this building. And as they
Speaker 4: came out of the room, Maggie looked at me and
Speaker 4: screamed at the top of her lungs, like blood curdling scream,
Speaker 4: and then we all just run and we're like, what happened?
Speaker 4: What's going on? Maggie said, there was a woman right
Speaker 4: behind you, standing directly behind your head, wailing ah. And
Speaker 4: Maggie also didn't believe in ghosts, like this was not
Speaker 4: her bag.
Speaker 2: Maggie's a Normanista.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what she would say, is she's
Speaker 4: a Normanista and she screams, scream, screamed, and I freaked out.
Speaker 4: I was like, what happened? And then she described that
Speaker 4: there was this woman who she saw standing right behind me,
Speaker 4: same description.
Speaker 1: Did Lucy see it?
Speaker 4: No, Lucy didn't see it, or she didn't say that
Speaker 4: she did at least, But I don't know what she was,
Speaker 4: where she was looking at, or what was going on.
Speaker 4: But Maggie described seeing this woman, and I do think Maggie,
Speaker 4: I don't know if she knew the story, like I
Speaker 4: hadn't really talked about it with too many people about
Speaker 4: this woman in Lucy's basement. And we were like, you
Speaker 4: know what, let's just go back exactly the way we came.
Speaker 4: I don't care how far it is. We need to
Speaker 4: get out of this building now, and so we all
Speaker 4: sprint as some of us are crying. We're all terrified.
Speaker 4: Were I just wanted to come, I'm yours, like, am
Speaker 4: I here right now? And we found our way out
Speaker 4: of the building, thankfully, and we were all okay through
Speaker 4: the window that you came in through the window. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we had to go the long way and we just
Speaker 4: like booked it out of there. And I didn't see
Speaker 4: the woman. I didn't think anyone saw her except for Maggie.
Speaker 4: And my thought process was, oh, there's probably someone else here, Like,
Speaker 4: there's probably a person in this building, Like it's a
Speaker 4: massive abandoned building.
Speaker 1: Right if you guys can get in, I'm sure anyone
Speaker 1: could get in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But the the part that got me was this
Speaker 4: woman like disappeared instantaneously, Like we turned around and there
Speaker 4: was nobody there. But Maggie was like, I saw somebody
Speaker 4: right behind you. I don't know what else to say,
Speaker 4: Like I saw someone standing behind you, and no one
Speaker 4: else really said anything. We're all just like let's get
Speaker 4: out of here. And our friend Taylor, who drove us,
Speaker 4: didn't believe in ghosts at all, super like, no, ghosts
Speaker 4: aren't real. When we were in the car, and he's
Speaker 4: like a macho He's like, is a dude. He was like, oh, ghost, whatever,
Speaker 4: let's go to the asylum. It's gonna be awesome. Hey, YouTube,
Speaker 4: you know, like that sort of vibe. Okay, And when
Speaker 4: we were in the car, he was like, I didn't
Speaker 4: want to say any like had an aside with me.
Speaker 4: He's like, I didn't want to say anything while we
Speaker 4: were in there. But I saw her too. I saw
Speaker 4: this woman standing behind you. And I don't really like,
Speaker 4: I don't believe in ghosts. I don't know what to
Speaker 4: make of it, but she was there and we drove
Speaker 4: away from the asylum, and I've never seen a woman
Speaker 4: since you left her there. I have no idea. I mean,
Speaker 4: I just I haven't experienced any No.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that so you're publicist. That woman that
Speaker 1: came in here with you? Guys? Where did she go?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: I thought that was your public What that lady? She
Speaker 1: was just screaming at me, So I assume she was
Speaker 1: a publicist.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's the full story. And there are like little
Speaker 4: things that I've experienced here and there, but those are
Speaker 4: the only times that I've experienced. This woman, this ghost
Speaker 4: who apparently had attached herself to me, But since then
Speaker 4: I haven't had anyone bring her up or like talk
Speaker 4: about a spirit attached to me or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Finn Argus, this was an incredible story.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you for giving me a platform to
Speaker 4: share my trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Of course it was terrifying, And I don't know what
Speaker 4: to make of it because the first two experiences I
Speaker 4: can kind of write off as either sleep paralysis or
Speaker 4: just like a trick.
Speaker 2: Of the light.
Speaker 4: But I really don't. I don't know what to make
Speaker 4: of it. In so much time has passed that it
Speaker 4: feels less and less like visceral and real to me.
Speaker 4: But at the time I didn't even question the reality
Speaker 4: of the situation, and it was terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I also am like, how does that work?
Speaker 1: Like could you just like, first of all, sounds like
Speaker 1: if you're like living in Illinois and you're like in
Speaker 1: agony and then you find out that this person is
Speaker 1: going to be moving to Hollywood to be like living
Speaker 1: out their dreams, I'd be like, I'm going with that person,
Speaker 1: like I'm hopping on that one.
Speaker 2: How does ghostly transportation work? Do they get on the
Speaker 2: planet or is it sort of like an apparition, well
Speaker 2: sort of this location, next location.
Speaker 1: You know, they they fly spirit oh, thank you.
Speaker 4: And they have to check their emotional baggage.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how. I don't know how any
Speaker 1: of it works. But yeah, people do tell me stories
Speaker 1: about things going home with them after they go to
Speaker 1: a haunted place. But it's nice to just leave the
Speaker 1: ghost at the haunted place. That's a new one. Well
Speaker 1: that's not a new one, but it's it's it's nice
Speaker 1: to hear.
Speaker 4: I'm so confused about it. Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 4: she was like, you know what, there there are actually
Speaker 4: some divas.
Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, she says, are immaculate.
Speaker 1: She saw hot guys are there. She's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: hot hot bad? I want you bad.
Speaker 4: She's like, Maggie, why are you being so dramatic? I
Speaker 4: just came to say bye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, this is it, Chris, how are you gonna
Speaker 1: follow that? I'm not like what, that's.
Speaker 2: So stupid the order of the stories being told here.
Speaker 4: Excited. I just got excited.
Speaker 2: I also left my ghost somewhere. Actually. Okay, So in
Speaker 2: middle school and high school I started getting really extreme
Speaker 2: and frequent bouts of sleep paralysis and also like a
Speaker 2: sort of like inception type thing, where like I would
Speaker 2: wake up from dreams, live a little bit of my life,
Speaker 2: and then wake up from that as a dream.
Speaker 1: It was a dream the whole time. I dream the
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 2: And they would go like truly four five layers deep
Speaker 2: sometimes and it's so fucked up, yeah, incredibly distressing, you know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'd get into the layers. I'd be like, this
Speaker 2: is clearly a dream. I have to wait it out.
Speaker 2: And then I'd wake up and I'd be like, great,
Speaker 2: it's done, and then get up and like pee and
Speaker 2: do whatever. And then i'd wake up again and I'd
Speaker 2: be like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: I hate that?
Speaker 2: But in conjunction with that, I started get like seeing
Speaker 2: a well not seeing. At first, I was like feeling
Speaker 2: the presence of like this sleep paralysis demon that people talk.
Speaker 1: About, right, so what it looks like.
Speaker 2: So this is like a slow burn, a slow escalation.
Speaker 2: In middle school and high school when it like first
Speaker 2: on set, I would experience it once every like three
Speaker 2: or four months, you know. And at first it was
Speaker 2: just like this deep rumbling paired with like the classic
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis of like having your eyes open up. But
Speaker 2: not being able to move. It was just like this
Speaker 2: deep growling, rumbling thing. But then as it progressed, I
Speaker 2: could start feeling it. So what it would feel like
Speaker 2: is like a long, a long set of fingers like
Speaker 2: crawling from my back up to my chest, like towards
Speaker 2: my neck, and it never really got there, you know,
Speaker 2: like by the time it like reached my clavicle, I
Speaker 2: would sort of jolt awake, and then I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: to think about it for another few months. After graduation,
Speaker 2: it disappeared for a couple of years, but then it
Speaker 2: came back really really hard towards the end of college,
Speaker 2: and I was starting to experience it like every month,
Speaker 2: and after graduating college it turned into like a weekly
Speaker 2: sometimes multiple times a week situation where like I would
Speaker 2: hear this growling and then I'd feel this thing, and
Speaker 2: then the long fingers turned into a pressure on my
Speaker 2: chest until eventually I could I did start seeing like
Speaker 2: a figure in the corner of a room.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 2: At first, it was like really really vague, you know,
Speaker 2: it was more of like a shadow that hovered.
Speaker 4: Did it have a humanoid shape?
Speaker 2: No, it didn't not at first at least. Okay, but
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, I took my first solo trip and
Speaker 2: I went through through Europe. I was backpacking.
Speaker 1: I was backpacking through Europe. Oh wow, did you find yourself?
Speaker 2: I was trying to find myself at a very young age. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like a really fun trip. I went through
Speaker 2: like France and Italy and Switzerland, and then I ended
Speaker 2: my trip at like World Pride in Madrid, and then
Speaker 2: knew I needed like a few come down days, so
Speaker 2: I went back to Barcelona, where I had airbnb'd like
Speaker 2: the attic space of this guy's house. And when I
Speaker 2: got there, he met me eventually, and he he had
Speaker 2: this like really weird energy. It wasn't like mean or sinister,
Speaker 2: but it was sort of like panicked and maybe like
Speaker 2: the stricken is like the best I could explain it.
Speaker 2: But I didn't have very good Spanish, and I just
Speaker 2: kind of like agreed with everything whatever he said. But
Speaker 2: he showed me this place, gave me the keys, and
Speaker 2: he kept trying to tell me something, but I was like, sure, yes,
Speaker 2: thank you. But it was like a nicely very newly
Speaker 2: refurnished little like triangular space where you'd have to like
Speaker 2: kind of duck down half the.
Speaker 1: Time He's like, just say, you know, the devil lives
Speaker 1: here and it will come out in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night and the slim trips from the walls. You're like, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that's last.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Do y'all have Gordida crunches here.
Speaker 2: So my one of my friends who I met up
Speaker 2: with for Old Pride Knee did an extra place to
Speaker 2: stay for the last couple of days. So we I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, just come to stay with me in Barcelona,
Speaker 2: share my bed, and okay, where is this going. The
Speaker 2: night that we spent there, I had like a really
Speaker 2: difficult time going to sleep because like, it's an attic,
Speaker 2: the vibes are bad. Does like, despite how well you
Speaker 2: put it together, it's still an attic and it's not good.
Speaker 1: Let me just ask, based on both of your stories,
Speaker 1: where would we rather sleep? Attic or basement attic?
Speaker 2: You can jump down, but you can't jump.
Speaker 1: Up, So you know, I always think about basements their
Speaker 1: eye level with dead bodies that are buried in the ground.
Speaker 2: No, no, for me.
Speaker 4: I'm more are you into a basement?
Speaker 1: Kind of why? I don't know. I missed the fact
Speaker 1: because I grew up in the Midwest and like that's
Speaker 1: like a whole other house down there.
Speaker 4: I do miss basements.
Speaker 1: I missed them. That's where like i'd get into trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so scary. There's too much above you.
Speaker 1: Sorry, let's go back to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So we're in the attic. My friend Danny
Speaker 2: has fallen asleep, and I really try hard for a
Speaker 2: couple hours to fall asleep, and I eventually do, and
Speaker 2: then I like start experiencing my sleep paralysis. And so
Speaker 2: it happened once, and it was like pretty quick. I
Speaker 2: hear like the rumbling, I see like the figure, and
Speaker 2: now it does sort of like hold a shape. It's
Speaker 2: like quite tall, has long fingers, which I've always felt,
Speaker 2: and it's wearing like some like some sort of like
Speaker 2: uh like suit jacket adjacent type vibe. But it's like
Speaker 2: more long, flowy, more drapey situation.
Speaker 1: Not fitted.
Speaker 2: No, not not at all. Danny Taylor upset about that certainly.
Speaker 2: So I wake up. I was like, ah, sucks whatever.
Speaker 2: I go back to bed, and then it happens again,
Speaker 2: and I wake up. I was like, God, twice at
Speaker 2: a night that's never happened. Before I go to bed again,
Speaker 2: it happens again and again and again, and each time
Speaker 2: this figure is getting closer and closer and closer. And
Speaker 2: after five times, I'm like, okay, this is just something
Speaker 2: that we're doing now, like it's just happening. So then
Speaker 2: I start keeping a tally mark of each time it happens.
Speaker 2: And it keeps happening, keeps happening ten times, eleven times,
Speaker 2: twelve times, thirteen times, and each time it's getting closer
Speaker 2: and closer and closer, and it finally ends up like
Speaker 2: fully on top of me, like straddling my body with
Speaker 2: its like hands around my neck. Now, yes, the rumbling
Speaker 2: has never been louder, and its face like inches towards
Speaker 2: me and just says like we're about to touch. I
Speaker 2: wake up for the final time, and I just decide
Speaker 2: I'm not going back to bed. It happened at least
Speaker 2: eighteen times that night, and so.
Speaker 4: I had eighteen tallies on you.
Speaker 2: I had thirteen tallies, but given I knew it happened
Speaker 2: at least five times other before.
Speaker 1: But so we're clear you were going to sleep and
Speaker 1: waking up and going to sleep and waking up like
Speaker 1: all those times. Yes, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I woke up my friend several times screaming, and he
Speaker 2: was just like, come on, cut it out.
Speaker 1: You for being able to fall back asleep. I would
Speaker 1: not be able to.
Speaker 2: It's like we just went through like a week of
Speaker 2: world crid I trusted.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, Like, what do you think the motive is
Speaker 1: of that? Like are they trying to get inside of you?
Speaker 1: Are they like trying to like have sex with you?
Speaker 3: Know?
Speaker 1: Sometimes we hear those stories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, tallis of ghost loads taken, no loads, refuse, ghosts
Speaker 4: come dump.
Speaker 1: Like I wonder what it was, like, what its motive was.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that was the closestest ever gotten
Speaker 2: And that was the last time I ever can That
Speaker 2: was the last time. Yeah. The next day we left
Speaker 2: the attic.
Speaker 1: And maybe you left it, Yeah, you left it in Spain.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 4: I have a theory about the sleep paralysis operation because
Speaker 4: I experienced that too, and also a very similar type
Speaker 4: like an unclothed but like a skinny, shadowy, lanky figure.
Speaker 4: I've experienced that a few times, like a couple of
Speaker 4: years ago in the house that I live in now,
Speaker 4: and I painted it, which I think I showed you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the one with the top hat, Yeah, top
Speaker 2: hat maybe top hat.
Speaker 4: And I tried to write a song about it, but
Speaker 4: then I got like, I got uncomfortable with even focusing
Speaker 4: on it because I just wanted to forget about it.
Speaker 4: But my theory is that maybe when you're in this
Speaker 4: liminal space of like you're sort of dreaming, you're sort
Speaker 4: of not maybe these spirits, if they notice that you
Speaker 4: notice them, and in this instance it was getting closer,
Speaker 4: maybe it was like I'm feeling noticed. I'm drawn to
Speaker 4: this attention, like I want more of it. So maybe
Speaker 4: they don't even know what their intention is a is
Speaker 4: they're getting closer but creeping up to you. They just
Speaker 4: know that there is, for whatever reason, like a consciousness.
Speaker 2: They're a tether.
Speaker 4: They're like the opposite of the ghost and Mario party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly when you look at these ones, they come
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're like me. They need attention to thrive. They
Speaker 1: just need that attention, that acknowledgment. Yeah. And there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of theories about sleep paralysis, and I always
Speaker 1: say I think it could there could be scientific explanations
Speaker 1: for it, but also ghosts explanations. At the same time,
Speaker 1: I think it's both at the same time you're in
Speaker 1: a state that is, you know, the dream state and
Speaker 1: not dreams like even dreams. I think ghosts can come
Speaker 1: to you in dreams, and I totally believe in it.
Speaker 1: I've also heard stories where people like two people see
Speaker 1: it the same thing at the same time or whatever
Speaker 1: that's so creepy. I've never had sleep paralysis, and I
Speaker 1: hope to never. And apparently one of the ways that
Speaker 1: you can get sleep paralysis or something that certainly could
Speaker 1: help you have it is like talking about it and
Speaker 1: thinking about it and yes, but please keep listening and
Speaker 1: like and subscribe infectious like a but I talk about
Speaker 1: it all the time. It's ever happened to me. I think,
Speaker 1: because I've taken a survey for the past six years
Speaker 1: of this podcast, that it happens when you sleep on
Speaker 1: your back or your side. It doesn't happen as much
Speaker 1: when you sleep on your stomach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're suffocating yourself exactly. I wonder what like
Speaker 2: these apparitions see, you know, like we have a hard
Speaker 2: time identifying their full figure, you know, and I wonder
Speaker 2: if it's the same for them, like going off your
Speaker 2: theory of just like, oh, I'm being seen let me
Speaker 2: see it. Like, I wonder if they're just like seeing
Speaker 2: like a little light or something and not really us,
Speaker 2: and they're just like, what is that thing? Let me
Speaker 2: go after that thing?
Speaker 1: And then they realize it's a human. They're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm so sorry. This probably was so crazy.
Speaker 1: This is so embarrassing, really creepy for you. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm literally like not even wearing any clothes. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my full hog is out right now.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. That's the other story that I hear
Speaker 1: is people getting fucked by a ghost?
Speaker 2: How many? How many?
Speaker 1: How many times have I heard it?
Speaker 2: How many?
Speaker 1: Not as many as I would like to, but I've
Speaker 1: heard it a number of times.
Speaker 2: I like, are they feeling whole expanding contract? You know?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's more like they're just like having
Speaker 1: like sexual stimulation. I think, give us a dream. I know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, is it just that or is it
Speaker 1: like you just have like a really erotic sexy dream.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Whatever. Okay, you know what, can I
Speaker 1: show you a haunted doll? Yes? Please, it's time for
Speaker 1: the dolls are living? Okay, here's what I do I
Speaker 1: go to eBay dot com, I type in the words
Speaker 1: haunted doll. There's thousands of them, and I like to
Speaker 1: feature one every week. Usually the story goes, a living
Speaker 1: human has found themselves inside of this haunted doll after
Speaker 1: they've died, and now it's for sale on eBay. There's
Speaker 1: clearly supply and demand because there's always new ones up there.
Speaker 1: Tell me the truth.
Speaker 2: Have you ever come across a haunted blow up doll?
Speaker 1: Haunted blow up doll?
Speaker 2: It is a variety of doll.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't see why it couldn't happen. Sure,
Speaker 1: why not?
Speaker 4: I know that's where i'd go. Yeah, there's things first,
Speaker 4: if I if I die right into a blow up doll.
Speaker 1: It seems like you can literally do that to anything
Speaker 1: based on many people's beliefs of this stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: you go on eBay, you can find a haunted can
Speaker 1: of Lacroix. You find literally anything, and people are selling it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a great hustle. But we've got one
Speaker 1: for you today that does not have a name. They
Speaker 1: usually have names, this one does not, but she is
Speaker 1: a dva. Gee. Can you show us this haunted doll? Please?
Speaker 1: You got it? Ras Oh yes, she has beat honey,
Speaker 1: that phase blended in the eyes. She's she's got maybe
Speaker 1: a little too much blush on, but it's a look.
Speaker 1: I love it too.
Speaker 2: Do you know who's giving who?
Speaker 4: Max?
Speaker 2: Season seven RuPaul's drag race?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yes she also. I mean she's got the lip.
Speaker 1: She's a makeup queen for sure. She's watched the tutorials.
Speaker 1: She knows what she's doing.
Speaker 4: You soft. I love the lip and also like the
Speaker 4: smiling eyes. She's yeah she's judging you, but you know
Speaker 4: she's still having a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't need to wear a lash, she just
Speaker 1: draws it on and I like that too. Ge how
Speaker 1: can we see her full body? Please? Stand by body snatch.
Speaker 1: Waist is definitely cinched.
Speaker 4: Well, I've worn this outfit before.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with the shoes.
Speaker 2: Toes are those that?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's a ballerina.
Speaker 1: Oh I see how it is? Okay, okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like a ballerina.
Speaker 3: God.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, there they are heels and
Speaker 2: they're knocked in to each other.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what I can't okay.
Speaker 4: Oh oh that was like an illusion?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was illusion.
Speaker 1: I was Okay, So the long pointy part is the heel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's it's giving a wicked witch of the East
Speaker 2: got hit by the house.
Speaker 1: Right, But how are you gonna walk in those? That's
Speaker 1: very like those Lady Gaga, like, what are those shoes? Whatever?
Speaker 4: The front heels, Yes, she doesn't need to walk, she
Speaker 4: just floats.
Speaker 1: Well, this one she comes with a bio, so let
Speaker 1: me tell you a little bit about her. This person.
Speaker 1: By the way, they're selling it for two hundred dollars
Speaker 1: and anyone that wants to see a photo of this
Speaker 1: if you're not watching the video version of this podcast,
Speaker 1: just go to my Instagram for the pod, which is
Speaker 1: ghosted by ras under the tab Dolls. Okay, when my
Speaker 1: grandmother died, I inherited two curses. One was a cat
Speaker 1: equal parts beautiful and evil. The other was this sassy,
Speaker 1: haunted queen. We prefer she lived in a closet, but
Speaker 1: I recently took her out and she won't let me
Speaker 1: put her back in. This is a problem since our
Speaker 1: most sensitive dog has identified her as the true threat
Speaker 1: that she is. Always go with the dog's impression of
Speaker 1: someone or something or someone. You might be wondering what
Speaker 1: curse she has had on my household, and to be truthful,
Speaker 1: it's something you won't know until you buy her and
Speaker 1: she's no longer here. Will my lower back stop hurting
Speaker 1: if I lift something heavy? Will we never have another
Speaker 1: aunt infestation? Will I suddenly like vegetables? Help us out?
Speaker 1: Make her your problem? I have a fan this personal
Speaker 1: listens to those podcasts and wrote up this sassy haunted
Speaker 1: queen they call her.
Speaker 4: I love flaming like all of your life's little inconveniences
Speaker 4: on being haunted.
Speaker 1: Totally vegetables because this doll made me stop liking vegetables.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm not going to eat carrots. I'm literally
Speaker 4: possessed by a demon, a.
Speaker 1: Demon that does not like carrots. So yeah, anyone listening
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars go snatch her up and get cursed.
Speaker 1: Sounds fun in.
Speaker 2: Her full body image. The vibe that it's giving is
Speaker 2: she just got told that they ran out of Gordida,
Speaker 2: crunches all and she has to float to the next location.
Speaker 1: Okay, been there, ahlet's do another thing. I want to
Speaker 1: play some ghost voices for you. Is that okay?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, this feels like a game show.
Speaker 1: Okay, it is it's time for or ev pase. So
Speaker 1: the term EVP it's electronic voice phenomenon. So basically it's
Speaker 1: like when a ghost hunter believes have captured a ghost
Speaker 1: saying faggot or like you know something something. However, those
Speaker 1: times I've had that happen, that was a more electronic
Speaker 1: MACHINEE type version. These ones are more organic. These are
Speaker 1: like someone's recording a with a camera or an audio
Speaker 1: device and all of a sudden you hear a little voice.
Speaker 1: So these are both from a YouTube channel called No
Speaker 1: Paranormal Society, which is I believe New Orleans Paranormal Society.
Speaker 1: This first one was not in New Orleans, though it
Speaker 1: was at a place called Poplarville in Mississippi. What is
Speaker 1: this ghost saying?
Speaker 4: Hm, that's that's it, that's it.
Speaker 2: Wait one more I'm hearing? Was that the maleman pause?
Speaker 4: Up you little gay?
Speaker 1: Way? Wait wait wait wait.
Speaker 2: Vaguely British pulls up gay.
Speaker 1: It's Charlie. Yeah, my god, this is going to become
Speaker 1: a pride anthem this lady little gay. Now, that is
Speaker 1: not what No Paranormal Society thought. Neither of those did
Speaker 1: they think it was a I'll zap your girl is
Speaker 1: that what you said, Maleman. Okay, do they think it
Speaker 1: was B? Is that the woman? Do they think it
Speaker 1: was C exactly?
Speaker 2: Oh? They thought it was B?
Speaker 1: Or D Finn Argus, it's me the lady. I'm back.
Speaker 4: United at long last?
Speaker 1: Which one did they think it was? How's that your girl?
Speaker 1: Is that the woman exactly? Or Dargus? Is me the lady?
Speaker 1: I'm back.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm gonna go with is that the woman?
Speaker 2: Is that the woman?
Speaker 1: That is what they thought? Is that the woman? We
Speaker 1: now that we know that, let's listen. I like, pause up,
Speaker 1: you gay.
Speaker 4: I think I'm.
Speaker 1: Right, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I guess. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the last one. This was at the Actor's Theater
Speaker 1: of New Orleans.
Speaker 4: Oh been there?
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, this one's like way off in the distance
Speaker 1: in real teeny tiny quiet. Uh, we really have to
Speaker 1: listen in for this one. It's real soft.
Speaker 2: Okay, you got a hearing. Please don't hurt me.
Speaker 1: I hear that, but it could be other things. Any
Speaker 1: guesses from you?
Speaker 4: Finn, it's me fin our guests?
Speaker 1: Were you there for I actually try to perform?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty sure we filmed queer as folks. I
Speaker 4: might be misremembering, but there's the whole like drag school
Speaker 4: sequence that was in I think that theater.
Speaker 1: It might have been you. There might have been a
Speaker 1: ghost hunting crew there. Wait, yeah, look it up.
Speaker 2: Is it also the place that's like kind of related
Speaker 2: to the nunnery that one? Is that what we're thinking of?
Speaker 4: I don't remember, but yeah, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like nunneries are all haunted. That sounds creepy. Wait, actors theater,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just took my nails off and
Speaker 1: I don't know how to type anymore New Orleans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could probably tell you from looking at it.
Speaker 1: This place theater recent photo. It's a very old picture.
Speaker 4: I mean, so many of the buildings look so similar
Speaker 4: down there, but it is reminiscent of where we film
Speaker 4: that I don't I can't remember if it is. But regardless,
Speaker 4: I think that ghost was remembering seeing me there filming
Speaker 4: Queer as Folk and they're just stuck in a loop.
Speaker 4: Now they can't wait for me to come back. Oh no,
Speaker 4: but they don't know we.
Speaker 1: Got to bring the show back.
Speaker 2: They don't bring now.
Speaker 4: For eternity, They'll just be like.
Speaker 1: And then my canceled TV show that did one season
Speaker 1: should come back to go ghost hut there crossover crossover. Okay,
Speaker 1: did this ghost say A Ooh, I'm spooky, B you
Speaker 1: don't know me? C will you show me? Or D?
Speaker 1: Would you prefer a dramatic or comedic monologue? I have
Speaker 1: a B A very dramatic arts and I'm union they
Speaker 1: were there for an audition because it's the actors theater.
Speaker 1: Let me play it a game. Please don't hurt me
Speaker 1: as a ghost.
Speaker 4: Actually though, yeah, I think you're right. It sounds a
Speaker 4: lot like please don't hurt me.
Speaker 2: There's a distress in the voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they believe it was B you don't know me,
Speaker 1: which is very like Doctor Phil teenage girl coming out
Speaker 1: like you don't know me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's run finished business. She was on an episode
Speaker 4: of Doctor Phil.
Speaker 1: It could be.
Speaker 2: Now. I'm also hearing to be or not to be?
Speaker 1: Wait a second less so maybe yeah? Maybe yeah?
Speaker 2: Or get THEE to a nunnery.
Speaker 1: Get THEE to a nunnery. Uh, let's see one last
Speaker 1: thing real quick.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just gonna give you.
Speaker 1: Some like paranormal like topics. Tell me if you believe,
Speaker 1: you don't believe, if you're whatever does that anything?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Ouiji boards belief belief.
Speaker 2: My dad bought me and my sister a Ouiji board
Speaker 2: when I was younger, and my mom really hated that idea,
Speaker 2: and she said, she said, throw it away, and so
Speaker 2: he threw it away into the garbage can. The garbage
Speaker 2: man came by, took it away, and then I looked
Speaker 2: inside the garbage can and it.
Speaker 4: Was stuck to the site, stuck to the side.
Speaker 2: It was stuck to the side of the gard like
Speaker 2: the inside interior wall of the garbage can, like the.
Speaker 4: Whole board I covered an ecdoplasm.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was dripping. It wanted to come back. That's scary.
Speaker 1: That's good. What about Bigfoot?
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I want to believe because kind of my type.
Speaker 4: He's hot. Yeah right, Oh my god, if I saw
Speaker 4: him stalking towards me in the woods, i'd introduced myself.
Speaker 1: You should, absolutely, I mean, I'm sure bigfoot goes freaky dookie.
Speaker 4: You know what they say about big feet, big shoes.
Speaker 1: Uh UFOs?
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, absolutely, Do I believe in UFOs.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there are like alien creatures that
Speaker 1: live on another planet?
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know about another planet. I actually am
Speaker 4: reading a book about aliens.
Speaker 1: Right now, fiction or nonfiction is.
Speaker 4: Supposedly nonfiction, but it is giving like sort of conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: That's the problem with that world. It gets like it's
Speaker 1: real on the line, like.
Speaker 4: It's on the line it's from It's actually written by
Speaker 4: someone who used to work in the Pentagon and I
Speaker 4: forget the author's name, Luey something. But it's really interesting.
Speaker 4: It is fully like aliens are here now. But the
Speaker 4: theory is that maybe they're not from a different planet.
Speaker 4: They could be intelligent life forms that originated on our planet,
Speaker 4: yeah and live in like deep ocean or their interdimensional species.
Speaker 4: So they exist on Earth in different locations in space
Speaker 4: and time. Yeah, and they're able to break through layers
Speaker 4: of dimensions to access our point in space and time.
Speaker 4: I don't understand this. I don't know what I think
Speaker 4: about it, but it is fun to read.
Speaker 1: I just want to like be friends with like one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 2: Need confirmation before I die, That's all I want to
Speaker 2: witness before leath this earth.
Speaker 1: Now, when you die, do you think that you'll get
Speaker 1: all the answers though?
Speaker 2: You mean, like as like a after visit summary, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I hope.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, like when you finish the act and all
Speaker 4: the answers are in like a perforated.
Speaker 1: That's how it should be.
Speaker 2: I think it should be like, this was the right religion,
Speaker 2: this is where the aliens were or not were, And uh,
Speaker 2: it turns out cuttlefish weren't edible.
Speaker 1: What about past lives?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, actually, I'm going to go ahead and say, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: This is this is like the one thing that I
Speaker 4: could actually be like, I feel like that's that's the thing.
Speaker 4: Because the way that I think about the world and
Speaker 4: like the universe at large is it's just this mass
Speaker 4: of matter and energy that's constantly like destroying itself and
Speaker 4: taking new forms. And I think of consciousness as one giant,
Speaker 4: like connected thing. So all of these lives are taking
Speaker 4: place right now in some place in space in time,
Speaker 4: and we experience it in a linear way just because
Speaker 4: of the way humans experience consciousness. But I don't fully
Speaker 4: understand quantum physics. But the way that my brain has
Speaker 4: like loosely grabbed onto it is that these positions in
Speaker 4: space and time are always happening unless they get like
Speaker 4: destroyed by a black hole or something. So I don't
Speaker 4: think it makes sense that a consciousness would be like
Speaker 4: this one tiny little blade of grass that's like separate
Speaker 4: from everything else. I feel like it's all connected, and
Speaker 4: I think that we are all one giant blob of consciousness.
Speaker 2: I would like to imagine that after this life, I
Speaker 2: get reborn into another conscious body on a different planet somewhere.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, it's different to mention just checking it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about being a blob.
Speaker 4: Brings me a lot of peace to think about being
Speaker 4: a blob.
Speaker 2: To be a blob without taxes.
Speaker 1: Ah, God, you're telling me without without donuts doing anything
Speaker 1: to my waiflying? Hi, tell people about your podcast?
Speaker 4: Oh, speaking of UFOs.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, we host a podcast called One of Us
Speaker 2: with Finn and Chris where Finn and I travel in
Speaker 2: our rocket ship across the galaxy to find recruits for
Speaker 2: our best friend Force.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we journey every week to new, far flowing destinations.
Speaker 4: It could be anywhere. It could be in this very studio.
Speaker 2: It could be inside of Liveracci's left ear.
Speaker 1: Liveraci M.
Speaker 4: It could be in the Pentagon. We got access and.
Speaker 2: We're talking pre nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Wow, you can go any We can go.
Speaker 4: Any time, anywhere. Anywhere any why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we straggline between like honest conversations with our
Speaker 2: guests and also like just kind of like silly improv.
Speaker 2: We have an incredible We have an incredible team of EPs,
Speaker 2: one of which Mariah Gossett, who engineers and then fully
Speaker 2: sound designs our show. So they're like really, they're all
Speaker 2: really fun. They're very different.
Speaker 1: It's very dynamic, and according to my emails that I
Speaker 1: have not replied to, I'm going to be on so yes,
Speaker 1: so I'm excited. So people need to go listen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you let us know where you want us to
Speaker 4: fly a rocket ship tun and we'll meet you either.
Speaker 3: Yay.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you guys want to tell the
Speaker 1: people before you leave?
Speaker 4: Well, we love Ross Fernandez. Listen to the show is
Speaker 4: so funny. Thank you so much for having us. This
Speaker 4: is a blast.
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this, and thank you to that lady
Speaker 1: back there too behind you. A thank you so much
Speaker 1: to Chris and Finn. Oh my gord, those were incredible stories.
Speaker 1: Go listen to their podcast too. It's the holiday season.
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you all, both living and dead.
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer
Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
Speaker 1: sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kottner. Additional production support from the
Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by
Speaker 1: the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky
Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareff, the Spooky Georgia hard Stark,
Speaker 1: and the Frightening Danielle Kramer.