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Speaker 1: What's that at the bed?

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Speaker 2: Spooky?

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Speaker 1: Hey Jooky, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I sas Nandas Please Hey boo, it's

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Speaker 3: me Ros and welcome to Ghosted by Ros Hernandez, the

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Speaker 3: podcast where I talk to people that I like about

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Speaker 3: the paranormal.

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Speaker 1: We've been getting so lucky with guests that have incredible

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Speaker 1: stories and we're gonna talk to Finn Argus and Chris

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Speaker 1: Renfro they have got store raise. Before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: let me read you a story from a listener. I'm

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Speaker 1: obsessed with this. This came to my email Ghosted by

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Speaker 1: razat gmail dot com. This came from Melanie. Melanie writes, Hey, Raz,

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Speaker 1: loved thepod. I have some ghost tea to spill. Long

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Speaker 1: story short, my husband and I are Polly. This is

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Speaker 1: exciting for me. And just so you know, I love

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Speaker 1: the polycommunity. I want as many poly people to listen

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Speaker 1: to this show. Get all you get the whole polycule listening,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, bring bring the whole polycule to

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Speaker 1: my live shows. That's That's why I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I want Polly people to be my fan so I

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Speaker 1: can sell more tickets. I'm just gonna be just gonna

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Speaker 1: be honest with you. I'm kidding. I do love it though. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: back to the story, we had this girlfriend last Halloween

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Speaker 1: house where they died. Ooh. So, being a paranormal researcher,

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Speaker 1: I sage her house. The sage stick ignited on fire,

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Speaker 1: which was the first bad vibe. So for the first

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Speaker 1: three months that we dated this scale, I felt like

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Speaker 1: she wasn't into me, like at all, so I questioned

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Speaker 1: everything she told me. The week before we broke this

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Speaker 1: thruple off, it's three am. I'm trying to get it

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Speaker 1: with my phone on silent. Okay. So it's three am,

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Speaker 1: February twenty twenty four, getting frisky and this phone rings

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Speaker 1: and the ringer sounds like it's from nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: We stopped to check our phones. There were no missed calls. Okay,

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Speaker 1: back to what we were trying to do. Right Immediately

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Speaker 1: we hear nineteen forty's trumpet music, but it's faint and

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Speaker 1: static sounding. So I say to the spirit, let me

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Speaker 1: the afternoon. So I go to the cemetery. I set

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Speaker 1: up a SB seven spirit box session and this female

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Speaker 1: ghost is loud and clear. She says, mel I need help.

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Speaker 1: I ask what do you need help with? She responds,

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Speaker 1: I'm so angry. I ask what are you angry at?

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Speaker 1: She responds the living. I ask if it's about our girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: and I swear she drained my fresh batteries. So I

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Speaker 1: stop talking to the ex girlfriend and as soon as

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Speaker 1: I do, guess what, she was never gay? All right,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Melanie. I want as many thriple involved stories.

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Speaker 1: This kind of thing is my favorite, sou anythre up.

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Speaker 1: That's the other thing with these polyamorous polycules, more opportunities

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Speaker 1: for ghost stories. Well, I know one of you gotta story,

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Speaker 1: so send them on in. I love reading them. Bring

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Speaker 1: your polycule to see me live. This is an exciting

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Speaker 1: time right now here in December, because I am about

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Speaker 1: to go to Brooklyn, New York. The tickets for that show,

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Speaker 1: I believe, are twelve dollars real inexpensive. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be at Little Field and that is going to be

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Speaker 1: on the eighth of December, and that's a bigger place

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Speaker 1: than I'm used to. So work on, work on, you know,

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Speaker 1: Why not a lot of tickets to sell their twelve

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Speaker 1: Also that same week, uh, the eleventh, coming up real soon,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be in Portland doing Ghosted Live. And

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Speaker 1: and I'm also doing Ghosted Live in Seattle on the

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Speaker 1: thirteenth of December. Oh, it's all coming up so soon.

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Speaker 1: I'm also going to be doing a stand up show

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Speaker 1: not about ghosts in Seattle the exact same night. So

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Speaker 1: find all of those tickets at linktree dot com slash

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Speaker 1: raz Hernanzas. Okay, let's hear some stories from Finn Argus

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Speaker 1: and Chris renfro on with the show. Chris and Finn, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy you guys are here. You know, I

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Speaker 1: was so obsessed with cheers Folk, the one the one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I loved it.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense because I was a ghost, you were

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Speaker 1: I love New Orleans. I love that there was as

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was such a fun experience. That's how we met. Ah, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We met on the Halloween, two weeks before filming. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Best time of my life, regardless of like the like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a lot of downtime and we spent

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Speaker 4: which was haunted. By the way, my apartment was fully haunted.

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Speaker 1: Tell us, because I mean New Orleans, the ghosts love it.

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Speaker 4: The rumors are true. It's incredibly haunted, and my apartment specifically,

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Speaker 4: it kind of felt like a dark energy. I'll be honest,

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Speaker 4: it really shaped your personality.

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Speaker 1: It was like really nice, but both were haunted.

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Speaker 2: Mine was haunted in that the landlord was weird. Okay,

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Speaker 1: To a Yeah that's I don't like that. Yeah, hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Like, Oh I had a landlord that

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I was not just my boyfriend on a leash.

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Speaker 1: That's my boyfriend. We do puppy play and he's crazy.

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Speaker 4: So your landlord was a kink shamer.

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Speaker 1: He was a kink shamer.

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Speaker 4: You could take him to court for that, and I will.

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Speaker 2: I do to a degree. I like go back and

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Speaker 4: The imprint of energy. Yeah, yeah, as opposed to like

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Speaker 2: And it's like why do you have Calvin Klein's on,

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Speaker 4: I feel similarly, I'm kind of agnostic when it comes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's how it should be. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think if you're too gullible or

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Speaker 1: well I tried. Yeah, I guess it's a ghost.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you obviously believe in ghosts, Like what is your like,

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Speaker 1: My take on ghosts is I find it really fascinating

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Speaker 2: Did the ghost call you a faggot once?

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Speaker 1: Once? It's actually happened a few times. A few times.

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Speaker 4: WHA. Yeah, so you don't believe in ghosts, but you've

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know who who called me. I don't

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Speaker 2: Could have been Neil Patrick Harris for all I know.

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Speaker 4: You were tuned into some frequency in someone hate grimed you.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's a machine that I barely know

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Speaker 1: how it works. All I know is that it basically

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Speaker 1: quickly goes through radio channels and you know who knows,

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Speaker 1: possibly people like a trucker on a CBE radio or something,

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Speaker 1: and they hear me being like, is there a ghost here?

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Speaker 1: And then the trucker's like fuck, Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know that somebody said it,

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Speaker 1: said Bob Saget. I don't know what they said, grab

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Speaker 1: at all of people that are like, that's a demon,

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Speaker 1: that's a ghost. Here's how you get rid of it.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you do. Like, I don't know, it's about

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Speaker 1: invisible people we've never met. I'm a comedian and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you're like an active observer, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not an authority. I'm a silly

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Speaker 4: Right, here's what I heard. What do you think? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they wanted to go to the Penhurst Asylum

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Speaker 4: I think we're good. And it was the darkest energy

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Speaker 2: Imagine entering an abandoned the Sane asylum and then immediately

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this place is great. I love it here.

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Speaker 4: wet blanket. And I was just, oh, I hate it

435
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 4: in here. And it felt like a haunted house, you know.

436
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 4: We made our way to the basement, where there was

437
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 4: a school like what looked like a preschool. Yes, in

438
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 4: the basement of this asylum. The walls were painted with

439
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 4: like very childlike murals, and there were little desks.

440
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: It was so weird. Beds.

441
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 4: There's one twin bed in the corner in ornate furniture. Oh,

442
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: it was terrifying, and we found tunnel systems, tunnels, tunnel

443
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 4: sets to ums.

444
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: Nobody showed up. They don't have security, they don't, it's

445
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: just sitting there.

446
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we went into these tunnel systems.

447
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: You deserve whatever happens.

448
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 4: Next, you know. I don't know why we did that,

449
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: I really don't, but we were headstrong. And there was

450
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: spray paint on the walls, so like people had been

451
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 4: there before. I think that cut a little bit of

452
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 4: the nervousness. So we go deeper into these tunnel systems

453
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: underground that connect the four separate buildings of the Penhurst

454
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 4: Asylum and the spray paint. It starts off like pretty,

455
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 4: like cute, fun whatever, just like people leaving their tags.

456
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 4: And then as we go deeper down, we all get

457
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 4: progressively more and more uncomfortable and scared, until we reach

458
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 4: the end of the hallway that enters into the next

459
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 4: building and there is a wheelchair sitting there, just facing

460
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: directly towards us, and none of us can bring ourselves

461
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: to pass it. Like this feels really really wrong. We

462
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 4: should probably leave, and we make the decision to go back,

463
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 4: go back the way we came, leave the place.

464
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: This is a real story. This is a real story.

465
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: Because this is good because I've heard a lot of

466
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: people tell me stories about like breaking in and go

467
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: and like for like a second and like whatever, this

468
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: is like good, this is for real. I'm not doubting you,

469
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that so good.

470
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 4: And it is ridiculous, Like I think this story is ridiculous,

471
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 4: but I have to tell it because.

472
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: Playing happens and this is the place to do with.

473
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we decide, we're like, you know what, this

474
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 4: is too far. I feel like we've crossed the line.

475
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: This feels wrong and actually, you know, like bad stuff

476
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 4: happened in this place, like it wasn't It wasn't a

477
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 4: good idea to go in there.

478
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: Well and if you think of like all the just

479
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: like mental energy and you know, it's just that's heavy.

480
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know all the details of the history

481
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: of this building, but even from what little I knew,

482
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 4: it just it it felt wrong to be there. So

483
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: we all decided to turn around. And like I said,

484
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 4: there were five people, so we were kind of there

485
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: are two pairs and then I was the one that

486
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 4: was sort of singled out. It's what I get for

487
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 4: breaking up with Lucy. She was with Maggie, and then

488
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 4: forget the other two.

489
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: Well, you weren't alone because you had Lucy's attachment.

490
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 4: I had miss miss Mama.

491
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mama was with you.

492
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, a woman behind you. So I turn around and

493
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: then we all at the same time realize that the

494
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 4: tunnel looked as if it had closed behind us, and

495
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 4: the only thing we could see at the end of

496
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 4: the hallway was a satanic goat spray painted on the

497
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 4: wall what perfectly from our vantage point, And so are you.

498
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: Trying to sell this to shutter or one of these houses,

499
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: because this is like, this is good.

500
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: I haven't thought about it, but maybe this will be

501
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: the proof of concept. So we turned around and we

502
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 4: see the Satanic goat on the wall, and we're like,

503
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 4: where what happened? Where's the tunnel? Like we just came

504
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 4: from here right and there were no offshoots, like there

505
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: were locked doors that we couldn't go through. It was

506
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 4: an illusion. The tunnel like slowly curved as we walked

507
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 4: through it and didn't realize. So when we turn around,

508
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 4: it looked as if the tunnel closed in on us.

509
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna cut this part out. I liked I like

510
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: that it was closed.

511
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: Well okay, but I'm like Disney imagineering ass shit right

512
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: now where it's like force perspective.

513
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: It was so it was like comically scary, and someone

514
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 4: thought real hard about putting that satanic goat there. It

515
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 4: was terrifying, and we all for a solid I don't

516
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: know how long we're convinced that we are trapped in hell,

517
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 4: Like I actually believe this, and I would think that too.

518
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 4: I thought we just got swallowed up like this is

519
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 4: as above so below. We're not getting out of here ever,

520
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: Like we just entered into a different realm and we're like,

521
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: we need to find a way out of here. We

522
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 4: got to go past the wheelchair and make our way

523
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 4: out through this other building, but no one could bring

524
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: themselves to do it. We're all so terrified, Yeah that

525
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 4: no one could bring themselves to go past this wheelchair.

526
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 4: But you're all together, Yeah, but we were all no

527
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: one could bring up the courage to be the first

528
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 4: person to walk past it.

529
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: I would have grabbed every like we would all like

530
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: link arms and like a red rover. Yeah, we would

531
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: all go as one chunk like well, I would make

532
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: sure I was in the middle and have everyone around me.

533
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, we would go.

534
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: That's what I would do.

535
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: You know, in retrospect, that is a great idea, But

536
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: I think I can't remember who it was. But someone

537
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 4: was like, I'm gonna go back the way we came,

538
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 4: like I know, there's like a way out. We just

539
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: came from there, and someone ran and realized that the

540
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: tunnel curved, and then we found our way out back

541
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: the way we came because no one could bring themselves

542
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: to go past this wheelchair and we didn't want to

543
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: go all way back from the window we came in

544
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 4: through because it was sort of far. And we're like,

545
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 4: certainly we can find another way out. So we find

546
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: another staircase, we see windows where like there's got to

547
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: be another window that we can climb through, or a

548
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: door that's unlocked or something. There's got to be a

549
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: way out of here. And we got we got trapped

550
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: in this building, like we couldn't find our way out,

551
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: and we're getting progressively more and more terrified, and the

552
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: energy is feeling like sinister.

553
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: And demons are loving this.

554
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: They were feeding on our fear. Yeah, one hundred percent.

555
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 4: So as we make our way out, we find like

556
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: the doors to the exit and they're they're locked. We

557
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: can't get out, we can't open it from the inside.

558
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 4: And Lucy kind of like trails away because she wants

559
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: to like find another way out, and she walks and.

560
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: She's so used to go.

561
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was less scared than the rest of us.

562
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know them as these slash those.

563
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are like just like her roommates at home.

564
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, so she was, you know, she was negotiating on

565
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: our behalf, I'm sure. But she goes into this room

566
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: by herself and then all of a sudden starts sobbing,

567
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: like crying, and our other friend goes into comfort her,

568
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: and it's like, what's wrong. She's like, something really really

569
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 4: bad happened in here, and she was upset. I don't

570
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: know what happened. She didn't talk about it ever, but

571
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: she got really upset by something that happened in that room.

572
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: And when she came back out, it was our friend

573
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: Maggie who went in to comfort her and talk to

574
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: her and try to get her to come out so

575
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: we could get out of this building. And as they

576
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: came out of the room, Maggie looked at me and

577
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 4: screamed at the top of her lungs, like blood curdling scream,

578
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: and then we all just run and we're like, what happened?

579
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: What's going on? Maggie said, there was a woman right

580
00:31:51,160 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 4: behind you, standing directly behind your head, wailing ah. And

581
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: Maggie also didn't believe in ghosts, like this was not

582
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: her bag.

583
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: Maggie's a Normanista.

584
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what she would say, is she's

585
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: a Normanista and she screams, scream, screamed, and I freaked out.

586
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 4: I was like, what happened? And then she described that

587
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 4: there was this woman who she saw standing right behind me,

588
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: same description.

589
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Did Lucy see it?

590
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 4: No, Lucy didn't see it, or she didn't say that

591
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 4: she did at least, But I don't know what she was,

592
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 4: where she was looking at, or what was going on.

593
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 4: But Maggie described seeing this woman, and I do think Maggie,

594
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if she knew the story, like I

595
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: hadn't really talked about it with too many people about

596
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: this woman in Lucy's basement. And we were like, you

597
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 4: know what, let's just go back exactly the way we came.

598
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 4: I don't care how far it is. We need to

599
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: get out of this building now, and so we all

600
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: sprint as some of us are crying. We're all terrified.

601
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: Were I just wanted to come, I'm yours, like, am

602
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: I here right now? And we found our way out

603
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: of the building, thankfully, and we were all okay through

604
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: the window that you came in through the window. Yeah,

605
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: we had to go the long way and we just

606
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: like booked it out of there. And I didn't see

607
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 4: the woman. I didn't think anyone saw her except for Maggie.

608
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 4: And my thought process was, oh, there's probably someone else here, Like,

609
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 4: there's probably a person in this building, Like it's a

610
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: massive abandoned building.

611
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: Right if you guys can get in, I'm sure anyone

612
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: could get in.

613
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, But the the part that got me was this

614
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 4: woman like disappeared instantaneously, Like we turned around and there

615
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: was nobody there. But Maggie was like, I saw somebody

616
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: right behind you. I don't know what else to say,

617
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 4: Like I saw someone standing behind you, and no one

618
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: else really said anything. We're all just like let's get

619
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: out of here. And our friend Taylor, who drove us,

620
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 4: didn't believe in ghosts at all, super like, no, ghosts

621
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: aren't real. When we were in the car, and he's

622
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: like a macho He's like, is a dude. He was like, oh, ghost, whatever,

623
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: let's go to the asylum. It's gonna be awesome. Hey, YouTube,

624
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 4: you know, like that sort of vibe. Okay, And when

625
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: we were in the car, he was like, I didn't

626
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: want to say any like had an aside with me.

627
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: He's like, I didn't want to say anything while we

628
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 4: were in there. But I saw her too. I saw

629
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: this woman standing behind you. And I don't really like,

630
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: I don't believe in ghosts. I don't know what to

631
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 4: make of it, but she was there and we drove

632
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: away from the asylum, and I've never seen a woman

633
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 4: since you left her there. I have no idea. I mean,

634
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 4: I just I haven't experienced any No.

635
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that so you're publicist. That woman that

636
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: came in here with you? Guys? Where did she go?

637
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: What?

638
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: I thought that was your public What that lady? She

639
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: was just screaming at me, So I assume she was

640
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: a publicist.

641
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: Wow, that's the full story. And there are like little

642
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 4: things that I've experienced here and there, but those are

643
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 4: the only times that I've experienced. This woman, this ghost

644
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: who apparently had attached herself to me, But since then

645
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 4: I haven't had anyone bring her up or like talk

646
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: about a spirit attached to me or anything like that.

647
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: Finn Argus, this was an incredible story.

648
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you for giving me a platform to

649
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: share my trauma.

650
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

651
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: Of course it was terrifying, And I don't know what

652
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 4: to make of it because the first two experiences I

653
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 4: can kind of write off as either sleep paralysis or

654
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 4: just like a trick.

655
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: Of the light.

656
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 4: But I really don't. I don't know what to make

657
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 4: of it. In so much time has passed that it

658
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 4: feels less and less like visceral and real to me.

659
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: But at the time I didn't even question the reality

660
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: of the situation, and it was terrifying.

661
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I also am like, how does that work?

662
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: Like could you just like, first of all, sounds like

663
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: if you're like living in Illinois and you're like in

664
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: agony and then you find out that this person is

665
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: going to be moving to Hollywood to be like living

666
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: out their dreams, I'd be like, I'm going with that person,

667
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: like I'm hopping on that one.

668
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: How does ghostly transportation work? Do they get on the

669
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: planet or is it sort of like an apparition, well

670
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: sort of this location, next location.

671
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: You know, they they fly spirit oh, thank you.

672
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: And they have to check their emotional baggage.

673
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how. I don't know how any

674
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: of it works. But yeah, people do tell me stories

675
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: about things going home with them after they go to

676
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: a haunted place. But it's nice to just leave the

677
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: ghost at the haunted place. That's a new one. Well

678
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: that's not a new one, but it's it's it's nice

679
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: to hear.

680
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: I'm so confused about it. Yeah, I don't know if

681
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: she was like, you know what, there there are actually

682
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: some divas.

683
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, she says, are immaculate.

684
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: She saw hot guys are there. She's like, you know what,

685
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: hot hot bad? I want you bad.

686
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: She's like, Maggie, why are you being so dramatic? I

687
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 4: just came to say bye.

688
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, this is it, Chris, how are you gonna

689
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: follow that? I'm not like what, that's.

690
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: So stupid the order of the stories being told here.

691
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 4: Excited. I just got excited.

692
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: I also left my ghost somewhere. Actually. Okay, So in

693
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: middle school and high school I started getting really extreme

694
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: and frequent bouts of sleep paralysis and also like a

695
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: sort of like inception type thing, where like I would

696
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: wake up from dreams, live a little bit of my life,

697
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: and then wake up from that as a dream.

698
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: It was a dream the whole time. I dream the

699
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: whole time.

700
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: And they would go like truly four five layers deep

701
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: sometimes and it's so fucked up, yeah, incredibly distressing, you know.

702
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'd get into the layers. I'd be like, this

703
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: is clearly a dream. I have to wait it out.

704
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: And then I'd wake up and I'd be like, great,

705
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: it's done, and then get up and like pee and

706
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: do whatever. And then i'd wake up again and I'd

707
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: be like, are you fucking kidding me?

708
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: I hate that?

709
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: But in conjunction with that, I started get like seeing

710
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: a well not seeing. At first, I was like feeling

711
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: the presence of like this sleep paralysis demon that people talk.

712
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: About, right, so what it looks like.

713
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: So this is like a slow burn, a slow escalation.

714
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: In middle school and high school when it like first

715
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: on set, I would experience it once every like three

716
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: or four months, you know. And at first it was

717
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: just like this deep rumbling paired with like the classic

718
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis of like having your eyes open up. But

719
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: not being able to move. It was just like this

720
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: deep growling, rumbling thing. But then as it progressed, I

721
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: could start feeling it. So what it would feel like

722
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: is like a long, a long set of fingers like

723
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: crawling from my back up to my chest, like towards

724
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: my neck, and it never really got there, you know,

725
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: like by the time it like reached my clavicle, I

726
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: would sort of jolt awake, and then I wouldn't have

727
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: to think about it for another few months. After graduation,

728
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: it disappeared for a couple of years, but then it

729
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: came back really really hard towards the end of college,

730
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: and I was starting to experience it like every month,

731
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: and after graduating college it turned into like a weekly

732
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: sometimes multiple times a week situation where like I would

733
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: hear this growling and then I'd feel this thing, and

734
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: then the long fingers turned into a pressure on my

735
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: chest until eventually I could I did start seeing like

736
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: a figure in the corner of a room.

737
00:39:59,360 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: Ah.

738
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: At first, it was like really really vague, you know,

739
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: it was more of like a shadow that hovered.

740
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 4: Did it have a humanoid shape?

741
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: No, it didn't not at first at least. Okay, but

742
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, I took my first solo trip and

743
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: I went through through Europe. I was backpacking.

744
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: I was backpacking through Europe. Oh wow, did you find yourself?

745
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 2: I was trying to find myself at a very young age. Yeah.

746
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 2: It was like a really fun trip. I went through

747
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: like France and Italy and Switzerland, and then I ended

748
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: my trip at like World Pride in Madrid, and then

749
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: knew I needed like a few come down days, so

750
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: I went back to Barcelona, where I had airbnb'd like

751
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: the attic space of this guy's house. And when I

752
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: got there, he met me eventually, and he he had

753
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: this like really weird energy. It wasn't like mean or sinister,

754
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: but it was sort of like panicked and maybe like

755
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: the stricken is like the best I could explain it.

756
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: But I didn't have very good Spanish, and I just

757
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: kind of like agreed with everything whatever he said. But

758
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: he showed me this place, gave me the keys, and

759
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: he kept trying to tell me something, but I was like, sure, yes,

760
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: thank you. But it was like a nicely very newly

761
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: refurnished little like triangular space where you'd have to like

762
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: kind of duck down half the.

763
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: Time He's like, just say, you know, the devil lives

764
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: here and it will come out in the middle of

765
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: the night and the slim trips from the walls. You're like, yeah, yes,

766
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: that's last.

767
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.

768
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: Do y'all have Gordida crunches here.

769
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: So my one of my friends who I met up

770
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: with for Old Pride Knee did an extra place to

771
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: stay for the last couple of days. So we I

772
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, just come to stay with me in Barcelona,

773
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: share my bed, and okay, where is this going. The

774
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: night that we spent there, I had like a really

775
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: difficult time going to sleep because like, it's an attic,

776
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: the vibes are bad. Does like, despite how well you

777
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: put it together, it's still an attic and it's not good.

778
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: Let me just ask, based on both of your stories,

779
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: where would we rather sleep? Attic or basement attic?

780
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: You can jump down, but you can't jump.

781
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: Up, So you know, I always think about basements their

782
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: eye level with dead bodies that are buried in the ground.

783
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: No, no, for me.

784
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: I'm more are you into a basement?

785
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: Kind of why? I don't know. I missed the fact

786
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: because I grew up in the Midwest and like that's

787
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: like a whole other house down there.

788
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: I do miss basements.

789
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: I missed them. That's where like i'd get into trouble.

790
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so scary. There's too much above you.

791
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: Sorry, let's go back to you.

792
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So we're in the attic. My friend Danny

793
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: has fallen asleep, and I really try hard for a

794
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: couple hours to fall asleep, and I eventually do, and

795
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: then I like start experiencing my sleep paralysis. And so

796
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: it happened once, and it was like pretty quick. I

797
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: hear like the rumbling, I see like the figure, and

798
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: now it does sort of like hold a shape. It's

799
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: like quite tall, has long fingers, which I've always felt,

800
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: and it's wearing like some like some sort of like

801
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: uh like suit jacket adjacent type vibe. But it's like

802
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: more long, flowy, more drapey situation.

803
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: Not fitted.

804
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: No, not not at all. Danny Taylor upset about that certainly.

805
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: So I wake up. I was like, ah, sucks whatever.

806
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: I go back to bed, and then it happens again,

807
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: and I wake up. I was like, God, twice at

808
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: a night that's never happened. Before I go to bed again,

809
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 2: it happens again and again and again, and each time

810
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: this figure is getting closer and closer and closer. And

811
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: after five times, I'm like, okay, this is just something

812
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: that we're doing now, like it's just happening. So then

813
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: I start keeping a tally mark of each time it happens.

814
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: And it keeps happening, keeps happening ten times, eleven times,

815
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: twelve times, thirteen times, and each time it's getting closer

816
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: and closer and closer, and it finally ends up like

817
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: fully on top of me, like straddling my body with

818
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: its like hands around my neck. Now, yes, the rumbling

819
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: has never been louder, and its face like inches towards

820
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: me and just says like we're about to touch. I

821
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: wake up for the final time, and I just decide

822
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: I'm not going back to bed. It happened at least

823
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: eighteen times that night, and so.

824
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 4: I had eighteen tallies on you.

825
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: I had thirteen tallies, but given I knew it happened

826
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: at least five times other before.

827
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: But so we're clear you were going to sleep and

828
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: waking up and going to sleep and waking up like

829
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: all those times. Yes, that's what you're saying.

830
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: I woke up my friend several times screaming, and he

831
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: was just like, come on, cut it out.

832
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: You for being able to fall back asleep. I would

833
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: not be able to.

834
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: It's like we just went through like a week of

835
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: world crid I trusted.

836
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, Like, what do you think the motive is

837
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: of that? Like are they trying to get inside of you?

838
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: Are they like trying to like have sex with you?

839
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: Know?

840
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes we hear those stories.

841
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, tallis of ghost loads taken, no loads, refuse, ghosts

842
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 4: come dump.

843
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: Like I wonder what it was, like, what its motive was.

844
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that was the closestest ever gotten

845
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: And that was the last time I ever can That

846
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 2: was the last time. Yeah. The next day we left

847
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: the attic.

848
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: And maybe you left it, Yeah, you left it in Spain.

849
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 2: Hmm.

850
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,479
Speaker 4: I have a theory about the sleep paralysis operation because

851
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 4: I experienced that too, and also a very similar type

852
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: like an unclothed but like a skinny, shadowy, lanky figure.

853
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 4: I've experienced that a few times, like a couple of

854
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 4: years ago in the house that I live in now,

855
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 4: and I painted it, which I think I showed you.

856
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the one with the top hat, Yeah, top

857
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: hat maybe top hat.

858
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 4: And I tried to write a song about it, but

859
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 4: then I got like, I got uncomfortable with even focusing

860
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 4: on it because I just wanted to forget about it.

861
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 4: But my theory is that maybe when you're in this

862
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 4: liminal space of like you're sort of dreaming, you're sort

863
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 4: of not maybe these spirits, if they notice that you

864
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 4: notice them, and in this instance it was getting closer,

865
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 4: maybe it was like I'm feeling noticed. I'm drawn to

866
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 4: this attention, like I want more of it. So maybe

867
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 4: they don't even know what their intention is a is

868
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 4: they're getting closer but creeping up to you. They just

869
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 4: know that there is, for whatever reason, like a consciousness.

870
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 2: They're a tether.

871
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 4: They're like the opposite of the ghost and Mario party.

872
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly when you look at these ones, they come

873
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: to you.

874
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

875
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: Maybe they're like me. They need attention to thrive. They

876
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: just need that attention, that acknowledgment. Yeah. And there's there's

877
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: a lot of theories about sleep paralysis, and I always

878
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: say I think it could there could be scientific explanations

879
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: for it, but also ghosts explanations. At the same time,

880
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: I think it's both at the same time you're in

881
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: a state that is, you know, the dream state and

882
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: not dreams like even dreams. I think ghosts can come

883
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: to you in dreams, and I totally believe in it.

884
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: I've also heard stories where people like two people see

885
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: it the same thing at the same time or whatever

886
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: that's so creepy. I've never had sleep paralysis, and I

887
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: hope to never. And apparently one of the ways that

888
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: you can get sleep paralysis or something that certainly could

889
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: help you have it is like talking about it and

890
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: thinking about it and yes, but please keep listening and

891
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: like and subscribe infectious like a but I talk about

892
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: it all the time. It's ever happened to me. I think,

893
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: because I've taken a survey for the past six years

894
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: of this podcast, that it happens when you sleep on

895
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: your back or your side. It doesn't happen as much

896
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: when you sleep on your stomach.

897
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're suffocating yourself exactly. I wonder what like

898
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: these apparitions see, you know, like we have a hard

899
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: time identifying their full figure, you know, and I wonder

900
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: if it's the same for them, like going off your

901
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: theory of just like, oh, I'm being seen let me

902
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: see it. Like, I wonder if they're just like seeing

903
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: like a little light or something and not really us,

904
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: and they're just like, what is that thing? Let me

905
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: go after that thing?

906
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: And then they realize it's a human. They're like, oh

907
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: my god, I'm so sorry. This probably was so crazy.

908
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: This is so embarrassing, really creepy for you. I'm sorry.

909
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: I'm literally like not even wearing any clothes. Oh my god,

910
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.

911
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, my full hog is out right now.

912
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. That's the other story that I hear

913
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: is people getting fucked by a ghost?

914
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: How many? How many?

915
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: How many times have I heard it?

916
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: How many?

917
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Not as many as I would like to, but I've

918
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: heard it a number of times.

919
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: I like, are they feeling whole expanding contract? You know?

920
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's more like they're just like having

921
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: like sexual stimulation. I think, give us a dream. I know.

922
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, is it just that or is it

923
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: like you just have like a really erotic sexy dream.

924
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Whatever. Okay, you know what, can I

925
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: show you a haunted doll? Yes? Please, it's time for

926
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: the dolls are living? Okay, here's what I do I

927
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: go to eBay dot com, I type in the words

928
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: haunted doll. There's thousands of them, and I like to

929
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: feature one every week. Usually the story goes, a living

930
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: human has found themselves inside of this haunted doll after

931
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: they've died, and now it's for sale on eBay. There's

932
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: clearly supply and demand because there's always new ones up there.

933
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: Tell me the truth.

934
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: Have you ever come across a haunted blow up doll?

935
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: Haunted blow up doll?

936
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: It is a variety of doll.

937
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't see why it couldn't happen. Sure,

938
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: why not?

939
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 4: I know that's where i'd go. Yeah, there's things first,

940
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: if I if I die right into a blow up doll.

941
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: It seems like you can literally do that to anything

942
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: based on many people's beliefs of this stuff. I mean,

943
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: you go on eBay, you can find a haunted can

944
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: of Lacroix. You find literally anything, and people are selling it.

945
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: You know, it's a great hustle. But we've got one

946
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: for you today that does not have a name. They

947
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: usually have names, this one does not, but she is

948
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: a dva. Gee. Can you show us this haunted doll? Please?

949
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: You got it? Ras Oh yes, she has beat honey,

950
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,959
Speaker 1: that phase blended in the eyes. She's she's got maybe

951
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: a little too much blush on, but it's a look.

952
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: I love it too.

953
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: Do you know who's giving who?

954
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 4: Max?

955
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: Season seven RuPaul's drag race?

956
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yes she also. I mean she's got the lip.

957
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: She's a makeup queen for sure. She's watched the tutorials.

958
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: She knows what she's doing.

959
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 4: You soft. I love the lip and also like the

960
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 4: smiling eyes. She's yeah she's judging you, but you know

961
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 4: she's still having a good time.

962
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't need to wear a lash, she just

963
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: draws it on and I like that too. Ge how

964
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: can we see her full body? Please? Stand by body snatch.

965
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: Waist is definitely cinched.

966
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 4: Well, I've worn this outfit before.

967
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with the shoes.

968
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 2: Toes are those that?

969
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's a ballerina.

970
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: Oh I see how it is? Okay, okay, okay, yeah,

971
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: she's like a ballerina.

972
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 3: God.

973
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, there they are heels and

974
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,959
Speaker 2: they're knocked in to each other.

975
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's what I can't okay.

976
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 4: Oh oh that was like an illusion?

977
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was illusion.

978
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: I was Okay, So the long pointy part is the heel.

979
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's it's giving a wicked witch of the East

980
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: got hit by the house.

981
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: Right, But how are you gonna walk in those? That's

982
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: very like those Lady Gaga, like, what are those shoes? Whatever?

983
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 4: The front heels, Yes, she doesn't need to walk, she

984
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: just floats.

985
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: Well, this one she comes with a bio, so let

986
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: me tell you a little bit about her. This person.

987
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: By the way, they're selling it for two hundred dollars

988
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: and anyone that wants to see a photo of this

989
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: if you're not watching the video version of this podcast,

990
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: just go to my Instagram for the pod, which is

991
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: ghosted by ras under the tab Dolls. Okay, when my

992
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: grandmother died, I inherited two curses. One was a cat

993
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: equal parts beautiful and evil. The other was this sassy,

994
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: haunted queen. We prefer she lived in a closet, but

995
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: I recently took her out and she won't let me

996
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: put her back in. This is a problem since our

997
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: most sensitive dog has identified her as the true threat

998
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: that she is. Always go with the dog's impression of

999
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: someone or something or someone. You might be wondering what

1000
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: curse she has had on my household, and to be truthful,

1001
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: it's something you won't know until you buy her and

1002
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: she's no longer here. Will my lower back stop hurting

1003
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: if I lift something heavy? Will we never have another

1004
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 1: aunt infestation? Will I suddenly like vegetables? Help us out?

1005
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: Make her your problem? I have a fan this personal

1006
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: listens to those podcasts and wrote up this sassy haunted

1007
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: queen they call her.

1008
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 4: I love flaming like all of your life's little inconveniences

1009
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: on being haunted.

1010
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: Totally vegetables because this doll made me stop liking vegetables.

1011
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm not going to eat carrots. I'm literally

1012
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 4: possessed by a demon, a.

1013
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: Demon that does not like carrots. So yeah, anyone listening

1014
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars go snatch her up and get cursed.

1015
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: Sounds fun in.

1016
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: Her full body image. The vibe that it's giving is

1017
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 2: she just got told that they ran out of Gordida,

1018
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: crunches all and she has to float to the next location.

1019
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: Okay, been there, ahlet's do another thing. I want to

1020
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: play some ghost voices for you. Is that okay?

1021
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, this feels like a game show.

1022
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: Okay, it is it's time for or ev pase. So

1023
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: the term EVP it's electronic voice phenomenon. So basically it's

1024
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: like when a ghost hunter believes have captured a ghost

1025
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: saying faggot or like you know something something. However, those

1026
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: times I've had that happen, that was a more electronic

1027
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 1: MACHINEE type version. These ones are more organic. These are

1028
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: like someone's recording a with a camera or an audio

1029
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: device and all of a sudden you hear a little voice.

1030
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: So these are both from a YouTube channel called No

1031
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: Paranormal Society, which is I believe New Orleans Paranormal Society.

1032
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: This first one was not in New Orleans, though it

1033
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: was at a place called Poplarville in Mississippi. What is

1034
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: this ghost saying?

1035
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 4: Hm, that's that's it, that's it.

1036
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: Wait one more I'm hearing? Was that the maleman pause?

1037
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 4: Up you little gay?

1038
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: Way? Wait wait wait wait.

1039
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 2: Vaguely British pulls up gay.

1040
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: It's Charlie. Yeah, my god, this is going to become

1041
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: a pride anthem this lady little gay. Now, that is

1042
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: not what No Paranormal Society thought. Neither of those did

1043
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: they think it was a I'll zap your girl is

1044
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: that what you said, Maleman. Okay, do they think it

1045
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: was B? Is that the woman? Do they think it

1046
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: was C exactly?

1047
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: Oh? They thought it was B?

1048
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: Or D Finn Argus, it's me the lady. I'm back.

1049
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 4: United at long last?

1050
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: Which one did they think it was? How's that your girl?

1051
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: Is that the woman exactly? Or Dargus? Is me the lady?

1052
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm back.

1053
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 4: I guess I'm gonna go with is that the woman?

1054
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: Is that the woman?

1055
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: That is what they thought? Is that the woman? We

1056
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: now that we know that, let's listen. I like, pause up,

1057
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: you gay.

1058
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 4: I think I'm.

1059
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: Right, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I guess. Okay,

1060
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: here's the last one. This was at the Actor's Theater

1061
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: of New Orleans.

1062
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 4: Oh been there?

1063
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, this one's like way off in the distance

1064
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: in real teeny tiny quiet. Uh, we really have to

1065
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: listen in for this one. It's real soft.

1066
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: Okay, you got a hearing. Please don't hurt me.

1067
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: I hear that, but it could be other things. Any

1068
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: guesses from you?

1069
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 4: Finn, it's me fin our guests?

1070
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: Were you there for I actually try to perform?

1071
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty sure we filmed queer as folks. I

1072
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 4: might be misremembering, but there's the whole like drag school

1073
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 4: sequence that was in I think that theater.

1074
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: It might have been you. There might have been a

1075
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: ghost hunting crew there. Wait, yeah, look it up.

1076
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: Is it also the place that's like kind of related

1077
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: to the nunnery that one? Is that what we're thinking of?

1078
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 4: I don't remember, but yeah, I feel.

1079
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: Like nunneries are all haunted. That sounds creepy. Wait, actors theater,

1080
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just took my nails off and

1081
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how to type anymore New Orleans.

1082
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could probably tell you from looking at it.

1083
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: This place theater recent photo. It's a very old picture.

1084
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 4: I mean, so many of the buildings look so similar

1085
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 4: down there, but it is reminiscent of where we film

1086
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Speaker 4: that I don't I can't remember if it is. But regardless,

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Speaker 4: I think that ghost was remembering seeing me there filming

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00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,959
Speaker 4: Queer as Folk and they're just stuck in a loop.

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Speaker 4: Now they can't wait for me to come back. Oh no,

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Speaker 4: but they don't know we.

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Speaker 1: Got to bring the show back.

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00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: They don't bring now.

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00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 4: For eternity, They'll just be like.

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Speaker 1: And then my canceled TV show that did one season

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00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: should come back to go ghost hut there crossover crossover. Okay,

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Speaker 1: did this ghost say A Ooh, I'm spooky, B you

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01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: don't know me? C will you show me? Or D?

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Speaker 1: Would you prefer a dramatic or comedic monologue? I have

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Speaker 1: a B A very dramatic arts and I'm union they

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Speaker 1: were there for an audition because it's the actors theater.

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Speaker 1: Let me play it a game. Please don't hurt me

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Speaker 1: as a ghost.

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Speaker 4: Actually though, yeah, I think you're right. It sounds a

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 4: lot like please don't hurt me.

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Speaker 2: There's a distress in the voice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they believe it was B you don't know me,

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01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: which is very like Doctor Phil teenage girl coming out

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01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: like you don't know me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's run finished business. She was on an episode

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Speaker 4: of Doctor Phil.

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Speaker 1: It could be.

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Speaker 2: Now. I'm also hearing to be or not to be?

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01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: Wait a second less so maybe yeah? Maybe yeah?

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01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: Or get THEE to a nunnery.

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Speaker 1: Get THEE to a nunnery. Uh, let's see one last

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Speaker 1: thing real quick.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just gonna give you.

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Speaker 1: Some like paranormal like topics. Tell me if you believe,

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01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: you don't believe, if you're whatever does that anything?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: Ouiji boards belief belief.

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01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: My dad bought me and my sister a Ouiji board

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01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: when I was younger, and my mom really hated that idea,

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01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: and she said, she said, throw it away, and so

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: he threw it away into the garbage can. The garbage

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01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 2: man came by, took it away, and then I looked

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01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 2: inside the garbage can and it.

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Speaker 4: Was stuck to the site, stuck to the side.

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01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: It was stuck to the side of the gard like

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01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: the inside interior wall of the garbage can, like the.

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01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 4: Whole board I covered an ecdoplasm.

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01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: Yes, it was dripping. It wanted to come back. That's scary.

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01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: That's good. What about Bigfoot?

1134
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I want to believe because kind of my type.

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01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 4: He's hot. Yeah right, Oh my god, if I saw

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01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 4: him stalking towards me in the woods, i'd introduced myself.

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01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: You should, absolutely, I mean, I'm sure bigfoot goes freaky dookie.

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01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 4: You know what they say about big feet, big shoes.

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01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: Uh UFOs?

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01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, absolutely, Do I believe in UFOs.

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01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: Do you think that there are like alien creatures that

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01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: live on another planet?

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01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know about another planet. I actually am

1144
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 4: reading a book about aliens.

1145
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: Right now, fiction or nonfiction is.

1146
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 4: Supposedly nonfiction, but it is giving like sort of conspiracy theory.

1147
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: That's the problem with that world. It gets like it's

1148
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: real on the line, like.

1149
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 4: It's on the line it's from It's actually written by

1150
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 4: someone who used to work in the Pentagon and I

1151
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 4: forget the author's name, Luey something. But it's really interesting.

1152
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 4: It is fully like aliens are here now. But the

1153
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 4: theory is that maybe they're not from a different planet.

1154
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 4: They could be intelligent life forms that originated on our planet,

1155
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 4: yeah and live in like deep ocean or their interdimensional species.

1156
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 4: So they exist on Earth in different locations in space

1157
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 4: and time. Yeah, and they're able to break through layers

1158
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 4: of dimensions to access our point in space and time.

1159
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 4: I don't understand this. I don't know what I think

1160
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 4: about it, but it is fun to read.

1161
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: I just want to like be friends with like one. Yeah,

1162
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: I just.

1163
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: Need confirmation before I die, That's all I want to

1164
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 2: witness before leath this earth.

1165
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: Now, when you die, do you think that you'll get

1166
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: all the answers though?

1167
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: You mean, like as like a after visit summary, Yeah,

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 2: I hope.

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01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 4: So, yeah, like when you finish the act and all

1170
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 4: the answers are in like a perforated.

1171
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: That's how it should be.

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01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 2: I think it should be like, this was the right religion,

1173
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: this is where the aliens were or not were, And uh,

1174
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 2: it turns out cuttlefish weren't edible.

1175
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: What about past lives?

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01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, actually, I'm going to go ahead and say, yeah, totally.

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01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 4: This is this is like the one thing that I

1178
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 4: could actually be like, I feel like that's that's the thing.

1179
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 4: Because the way that I think about the world and

1180
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 4: like the universe at large is it's just this mass

1181
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 4: of matter and energy that's constantly like destroying itself and

1182
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 4: taking new forms. And I think of consciousness as one giant,

1183
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 4: like connected thing. So all of these lives are taking

1184
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 4: place right now in some place in space in time,

1185
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 4: and we experience it in a linear way just because

1186
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 4: of the way humans experience consciousness. But I don't fully

1187
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 4: understand quantum physics. But the way that my brain has

1188
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 4: like loosely grabbed onto it is that these positions in

1189
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 4: space and time are always happening unless they get like

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01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 4: destroyed by a black hole or something. So I don't

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01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 4: think it makes sense that a consciousness would be like

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01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 4: this one tiny little blade of grass that's like separate

1193
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 4: from everything else. I feel like it's all connected, and

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01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 4: I think that we are all one giant blob of consciousness.

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Speaker 2: I would like to imagine that after this life, I

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01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 2: get reborn into another conscious body on a different planet somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, it's different to mention just checking it out. Yeah,

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01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about being a blob.

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Speaker 4: Brings me a lot of peace to think about being

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01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 4: a blob.

1201
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: To be a blob without taxes.

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01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: Ah, God, you're telling me without without donuts doing anything

1203
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: to my waiflying? Hi, tell people about your podcast?

1204
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 4: Oh, speaking of UFOs.

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01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: Yes, no, we host a podcast called One of Us

1206
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: with Finn and Chris where Finn and I travel in

1207
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 2: our rocket ship across the galaxy to find recruits for

1208
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: our best friend Force.

1209
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we journey every week to new, far flowing destinations.

1210
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 4: It could be anywhere. It could be in this very studio.

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01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: It could be inside of Liveracci's left ear.

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01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: Liveraci M.

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01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 4: It could be in the Pentagon. We got access and.

1214
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 2: We're talking pre nine to eleven.

1215
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: Wow, you can go any We can go.

1216
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 4: Any time, anywhere. Anywhere any why.

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01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we straggline between like honest conversations with our

1218
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: guests and also like just kind of like silly improv.

1219
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: We have an incredible We have an incredible team of EPs,

1220
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: one of which Mariah Gossett, who engineers and then fully

1221
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: sound designs our show. So they're like really, they're all

1222
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: really fun. They're very different.

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Speaker 1: It's very dynamic, and according to my emails that I

1224
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: have not replied to, I'm going to be on so yes,

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01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: so I'm excited. So people need to go listen.

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01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you let us know where you want us to

1227
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 4: fly a rocket ship tun and we'll meet you either.

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Speaker 3: Yay.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything else you guys want to tell the

1230
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 1: people before you leave?

1231
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 4: Well, we love Ross Fernandez. Listen to the show is

1232
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 4: so funny. Thank you so much for having us. This

1233
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 4: is a blast.

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01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this, and thank you to that lady

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01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: back there too behind you. A thank you so much

1236
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: to Chris and Finn. Oh my gord, those were incredible stories.

1237
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: Go listen to their podcast too. It's the holiday season.

1238
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you all, both living and dead.

1239
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

1240
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 1: haunt me, hey by, this has been an exactly right production.

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01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I

1242
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: read stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you,

1243
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,879
Speaker 1: so email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

1244
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: You can send a DM or voice message to the

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01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow

1246
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: while you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at

1247
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: Roz Hernandez and on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez.

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01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer

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01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and

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01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker

1251
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kottner. Additional production support from the

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01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by

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01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:16,480
Speaker 1: the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky

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01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced

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01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareff, the Spooky Georgia hard Stark,

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Speaker 1: and the Frightening Danielle Kramer.