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Speaker 1: So the first question we asked everybody who come on

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Speaker 1: the show is when you first got to the league,

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Speaker 1: who was the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna tell y'all day one game one

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Speaker 2: with preseason games. So my rookie season, you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna Wahton Bulls. Got drafted four. So my teammates is

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Speaker 2: Chris Webberswan Howard, you know two of the Fab five.

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Speaker 2: I got a big George mirror sign seven to seven.

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Speaker 2: I got my old head Bob McCain, who was a

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Speaker 2: traveler man, power forward, Robert pat You know I got

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Speaker 2: I got a good.

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Speaker 3: Team, right boom. We go down to Mexico City, were

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Speaker 3: playing the Spurs.

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Speaker 2: It's a home and home game, so the first night,

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Speaker 2: you know they're the home team dog. So David Robinson

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Speaker 2: in thirty minutes thirty minutes gave me Adam Morale gave

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Speaker 2: me thirty points, about seventeen eighteen rebounds and about six

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Speaker 2: or seven blocks in my first NBA outing. Bro, you

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Speaker 2: hear me, and look, I swear to goodness, I think

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Speaker 2: I would have called everybody if we was back in

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Speaker 2: the States, But you know that long distance and all that.

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Speaker 1: We'll tell nobody about that man.

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Speaker 2: That bottle was my friend. He took some some coronas

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Speaker 2: to the head. I was like, yo, he busts my ass.

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Speaker 2: He got me, though, I can't front on the admiral

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Speaker 2: man he got.

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Speaker 4: Hey. People don't really talk about David like that man.

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Speaker 4: He kind of get lost in the shuffle of his

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Speaker 4: greatness and how athletic he was and everything he brought

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Speaker 4: to the table when they talk about this, we really

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Speaker 4: don't hear his name period at all.

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Speaker 2: And he was a problem. He was a problem for

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Speaker 2: because fifteen footer ya run the floor. I got post gag,

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Speaker 2: I got defense.

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Speaker 1: Action figure a.

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Speaker 4: Figure out up for real, yo yo yo. We live

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Speaker 4: on location, me and d Miles is staying our ass

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Speaker 4: home here in Orlando. We in Orlando, staying quarantined and

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Speaker 4: staying our ass at home. But we got them five

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Speaker 4: g towers just keeping us connected at our boy live

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Speaker 4: on location from tar Hill Country, from Chapel Hill. We

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Speaker 4: got the legend, mister Ball, don't lie, Tar Hill Legend,

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Speaker 4: NBA Champ, and our big bro. We got Rashee Wallace

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Speaker 4: pulling up on his mantune in check it out for sure.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you, big dog. Man, we definitely appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 1: Fuck love now all day, man, Philly. Simon Grant's high school,

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Speaker 1: it could have been another high school or you are

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Speaker 1: always when you grew up. He was like, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to Simon Grants and I'm gonna kill.

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Speaker 4: Well with that.

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Speaker 3: It was all on who I knew at the time.

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Speaker 2: When I was a young boy and I had just

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Speaker 2: started playing basketball, probably like about seventh grade, you know,

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Speaker 2: so that's about what twelve thirteen years old something like that.

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Speaker 3: I just started playing basketball and the.

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Speaker 2: Only thing I could do was block shots because I

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Speaker 2: And I could run the floor because track is my

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Speaker 2: I just incorporated the running and the running the floor.

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Speaker 2: That's all I could do, running black shots. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: do nothing else. And so it wasn't like Gratz was

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Speaker 2: chosen figure like yeah, I know I'm gonna go there.

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Speaker 2: But I just ended up there and it was already written.

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Speaker 2: My past was already written. That's how I got to

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Speaker 2: see it because I ended up with to me All Star,

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Speaker 2: I played on that same team with Aaron McKee.

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Speaker 3: You know, y'all played against Aaron m was.

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Speaker 2: He was my senior, was a freshman, he was a senior,

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Speaker 2: We had big guards and man, next thing I know,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching them. We in practice and Harry Moore gets

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Speaker 2: we in the hospital. You know, I'm crying. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: We held our own.

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Speaker 2: I held my own a little bit, you know, I

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Speaker 2: So it ended up being my senior year, went undefeated

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Speaker 2: in my high schoo Utali, I won three city championships,

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Speaker 2: I got two national championships, a couple of Parade All

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Speaker 2: that I'm about that she Wallace is about to Bill

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Speaker 3: That's what this bulldog is on my arm.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's where it all started, right, Yeah, tell me this,

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Speaker 4: At what point between you starting that in seventh grade

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Speaker 4: a late start, you know, in our eyes, to hooping,

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Speaker 4: Like most of us started hooping as soon as we

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Seventh grade is kind of

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Speaker 4: at what point did you feel like, okay, like I'm

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Speaker 4: figuring this out, I'm kind of nice, and then everybody

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Speaker 4: started like coming to heap that prayer, you started getting

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Speaker 4: college letter. At what point did that turn for you?

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Speaker 4: When you became like that national guy ranked guy and

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Speaker 2: I would have to stay with my freshman year in

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Speaker 2: high school, when we won the city championship, I know

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Speaker 2: for a fact I wasn't on the scouting report of

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Speaker 3: Or anything like that. But my coach knew what I

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Speaker 2: So the main thing they wanted to play a two

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Speaker 2: And then that's when it kind of sort of clicked

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Speaker 2: But I only thought city, yup. I didn't think country

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. Germantown and South phil I can hold my own.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, And as I got older, older,

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Speaker 2: I didn't even think I was going to go to college.

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Speaker 2: Real talk to you until I sat down with my

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Speaker 2: going into my senior year, He's like, what's your plans.

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Speaker 2: So my coach said, no, you're going to college. And

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Speaker 2: I'll be damned if no other conversation I ever listened to.

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Speaker 2: I'm thankful that I listened to that one because it

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Speaker 2: helped launch pad who I am.

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Speaker 1: When you came out, like, could have been anybody else?

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Speaker 1: Like could any Villanova? Anybody else could have got you

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Speaker 1: instead of North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, My my top schools, or my top four or

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Speaker 2: or not, because the coach, because the coach Butch Beard.

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Speaker 2: But at the time when I was in school, you

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Speaker 2: because my coach, coach told my high school coach told

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Speaker 2: me to. He said, that's out of respect because I

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Speaker 2: he said that's out of respect. And then he said,

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Speaker 2: to you. So that that was my final schools. Then

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Speaker 2: with coach John Thompson because that's all I saw. I'm

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Speaker 2: a big Pat Ewing fan. I grew up in the

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Speaker 2: tallest athletic dude I've seen on TV outside of Edwin Moses,

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Speaker 2: a lot of names like I got called the Big

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Speaker 2: go where he went. So I was definitely thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: The only reason I didn't because my freshman year I

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Speaker 2: have known? That next year it would have been the

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Speaker 1: What was it about Dean Smith. That made you just

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Speaker 1: fall over, like, just made you commit to North Carolina

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Speaker 1: because Dean Smith is a legend. He coached these legends.

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Speaker 1: He already won championships, like he done did it, like

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Speaker 1: his legacy is set. Anything else, He's just adding on

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Speaker 2: Well, I would say, Coach Smith his persistence number one,

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Speaker 2: and of course his status already held weight with me.

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Speaker 2: real talk dog, was after Carolina won it. Like the

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Speaker 2: night before I was watching the game. You know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Boom, all right, yeah, Carolina, hey won it.

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Speaker 2: That next day, I to school, So I come home

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Speaker 3: Boom, and I walk by the living room.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, I hear my mom sitting in there

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Speaker 3: And I take a couple of steps back and look back.

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Speaker 2: Like and who's sitting in the living room, Coach Phil Ford,

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Speaker 2: who to me is the best player to ever come

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Speaker 2: out of Carolina. Yes, I said it, y'all, even before

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Speaker 2: better than Mike and coach Dean Smith.

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Speaker 3: And my jaw dropped wide. I just wanted to say, ain't.

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Speaker 2: You supposed to be somewhere celebrating. You just want a

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Speaker 2: hard international championship. He's like, no, I'm where I'm supposed

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Speaker 2: to be. And you know, we had a good exchange that evening,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I was off to Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Now you at Carolina and you got you know, it's

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Speaker 1: like you can kind of form you a Voultron. You

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Speaker 1: can form you a big suy. You get you somebody

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Speaker 1: like stack House.

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Speaker 4: Me.

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Speaker 1: You know, he rugged you know what I'm saying, like

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Speaker 1: to play like how you like to play? Like? How

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Speaker 1: was that to have somebody like stack House to play

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Speaker 3: It was awesome to play with him and Jeff McGinnis.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 4: Then it was.

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Speaker 3: It was awesome, though, man, and to have a lot

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Speaker 2: That we did, even though Stack and I were only

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Speaker 4: How was that for you to experience that as a freshman?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me and Stack never lost.

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Speaker 1: I remember I was telling Stack when we talked to Stack.

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Speaker 2: I said, we call that the monk, don't the monk? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: The Monk dunk.

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Speaker 3: It was it was that time.

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Speaker 1: When you got drafted, did you think it was going

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I knew I was going there. I knew I was

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Speaker 3: Know, my high school, that's all right, the pressure.

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Speaker 4: Tell me how special it was for you to get drafted,

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Speaker 4: I was eighteen, and it was still crazy for us

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Speaker 3: It was. It was awesome, man, it was awesome.

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Speaker 2: I can remember after the draft is over, after the

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Speaker 3: Drafts in Toronto. That was the first year of the

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Speaker 2: So here it is, were walking back across the parking lot,

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Speaker 3: Like dog like, we just got drafted.

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Speaker 4: Y'all just made it like a.

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Speaker 2: Like all them days in the gym, you know, all

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Speaker 2: You know, my brother to go through and I'm right

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Speaker 4: I remember sitting at home watching that, like, yo, this

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Speaker 4: I mean the k martin and part like yo, man,

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Speaker 4: But you're like, dude, we here like this crazy.

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Speaker 3: We made it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you on the team with the Bullets now, and

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Speaker 1: you watched Chris Webber win Rookie of the Year with

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Speaker 1: Golden State and he's on this team now. How was

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Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I was I was all in. I was

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Speaker 2: That was one of my idols because that whole Like

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Speaker 2: who didn't love the fat Fire exactly?

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Speaker 3: We all love the fat Fire.

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Speaker 2: I'm gung ho. I'm gung ho, I'm all in. I

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Speaker 2: good old heads right here, these some good brothers right there, and.

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Speaker 3: They throughout my career they've always been.

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Speaker 2: Man. You know, none of them never never did no

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Speaker 3: So I love him brothers to this day.

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Speaker 4: Man, The two real ones like Juwana. That's our o G.

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Speaker 4: Now that's that's look right there, that's the Homian And

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Speaker 4: old G from Chicago. You know from this crib every summer,

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Speaker 4: who see the picture of perfection, we should show up

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Speaker 4: you though, Like you got to play with one of

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Speaker 4: my one of my favorite point guards ever. Man, he don't.

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Speaker 4: I think he gets a little more respect nowadays, but

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Speaker 4: I still don't think he get the proper respect he deserved. Man,

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Speaker 4: Rod Strickland, Bro, Like how was that to see how

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Speaker 4: of the all time greatest layup packages ever. Bro. Like

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Speaker 4: as far as like I don't care if it's body

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Speaker 2: Man, I had the opportunity when see I got traded

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Speaker 4: I realized that three months I did not realize y'all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Rod and Harvey Grant for me and Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: Butler from u c l A.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I shut out Mitch.

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Speaker 2: I know for them. Three months I was playing with Rod.

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Speaker 2: Everything was easy. Everything was easy. Like, no, he ain't

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Speaker 2: got the greatest J four point guard, but he can

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Speaker 2: knock it down.

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Speaker 3: But I don't care. He gonna get to that bucket.

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Speaker 4: Doog man.

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Speaker 2: He gonna get to that bucket and give you that.

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Speaker 3: Last that last second drop off for you.

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Speaker 4: Set the table, boy, he said, the table.

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Speaker 2: What do we ever like a great waiter in a

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 4: Straight up?

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Speaker 1: You with the bucks, now you with Webber. Y'all got squad,

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Speaker 1: y'all a young squad in this league. But at the

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Speaker 1: Everybody had centers and power forwards everywhere. You know what

439
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like for you to get a chance when

440
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: Webber got hurt, to get a chance to actually play

441
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 1: a lot, start the games and play a lot of minutes.

442
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 1: When was that point where you was like, man, I

443
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: can hold my own in this league.

444
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: The right way I would say it was it was

445
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 2: around the time when Webb went down, he had a

446
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: little freak ankle accident, you know, twisted his ankle when

447
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: we were out in Phoenix, and that that was my night.

448
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: To do it from there.

449
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 2: And I knew basketball, so I knew one, I wasn't

450
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: gonna get no plays I had to. And two, I

451
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: knew the ball was going through Juwan because at the time,

452
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all remember Jawanna, I remember a

453
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: million dollar.

454
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: One hundred and five million, So I knew the rock

455
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 3: was going through him.

456
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: So I wasn't complaining the coach, coach Jimmy Lionel or whatever,

457
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 2: that's my man too.

458
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 3: I wasn't complaining to him about nothing. I knew what

459
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: it was. I knew the game.

460
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: I knew where I felt that on the pecing order,

461
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 2: So all right for me to get some buckets, for

462
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: me to shine, run, run, That's what it was, you know,

463
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: they knew they could throw me to Oops. I was

464
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 2: a high flyer on the team. I got the hot flyer, young,

465
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 2: you got the defender. Yeah, young lady, run like a

466
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 2: jumping out the gym. And you can ask new this.

467
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: He told me a good one. We're somewhere one day

468
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 2: and I'm in a layup line giving the crowd. I

469
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: don't contest. I'm giving them everything right, and they just

470
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: regular right. I'm like, yo, I'm like, man, give me something.

471
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk junk to them like a young fella.

472
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: He said, it's going to become a day when you're

473
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: in that layup line when all that dunk and ship. Nah,

474
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna be doing that. He's just trying to

475
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: lose up, just trying to loosen up. And I'll be

476
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: triggering my head that the first day that I was

477
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: just in the left line, like years later, like I

478
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 2: see what meant?

479
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 4: Now, Hey, we all been there, bro, we all been there.

480
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 4: Then you turn around for you know, you got some

481
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 4: little young punk talking about you, old, calling you o

482
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 4: gen you like like I came in here an ain't

483
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 4: team boy. I was calling everybody, Oh now.

484
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: You then did your thing in Washington, and you'd have

485
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: made a name for yourself. And now where a team

486
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: wants you to come to them and beat a man

487
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: now like and porting the trade for you, you know,

488
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: to bring you over here to be the man? How

489
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: was that to a team? For first off, a team

490
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: to commit to you and knowing what you're finna bring

491
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: the table, you're finna get your opportunity to get all

492
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: the plays and they come through you and stuff like that.

493
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: How was that? Man, truth be told, it was a

494
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: little bit easy. And I gotta thank my old heads

495
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: for that, my veterans for that. Cliff Robinson, Uncle Cliff

496
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 2: from Kersey and Kevin dunk Worth restless peace. So because

497
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: they told me the real about you know how it is,

498
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: they didn't put a lot of pressure on me, like

499
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: all righty yo, you gotta go out here and get

500
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: a thirty or were not gonna win.

501
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 4: You know.

502
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: It was never none of that.

503
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: So to just sit back and listen to them, I

504
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: was like, all right, now, just go out and play

505
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: and then what I like to do.

506
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: I'm not about no one man show.

507
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, if I wanted to, I could

508
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: go out there and average thirty. I could have went

509
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: out there and put up at least twenty twenty five

510
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 2: shots a game, but it wouldn't have got me more

511
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: than half of the wins that I did end up

512
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 2: getting in.

513
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 3: My career or anything like that.

514
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: So we're going to incorporate all five of these guys

515
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: because I'd rather get slapped. You can slap me, poke

516
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: me in the eye, but it's just all loose. But

517
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: what's gonna hurt more if you get punched. So my

518
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: whole team philosophy was like, look, let's come together, let's

519
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: punch these cats in the face.

520
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: And we almost did that with la Man.

521
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: But they had the greatest athlete on earth at that time,

522
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: Bro shack.

523
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: Man Shaq more for none of that.

524
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 4: Yo.

525
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: I remember when we first got to the league and

526
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 1: and like y'all had a lot of superstar players, like

527
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: in the sense of big names and all that stuff

528
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: that Portland always kept, like big names on their team

529
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: from the Das damon start of Mirs. Bonzie made a name,

530
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: you had Pip and all that, But you're the only

531
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 1: one that was really dunking like that. So we used

532
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: to play against y'all. Y'all used to kick the ship

533
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: out of us. And sometimes we'll get that bitch close

534
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: to y'all, but we are dunk and you will be

535
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: mad them up. So every time you dunk, you would

536
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: get the hollering, screaming and shit, I remember Bonzie stole

537
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: that bitch from you. Right, I'm getting the rebound, so

538
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to push every time, trying to make sure

539
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: I get down the court before the big man because

540
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm playing power forward. And Bonzie stole that bitch early.

541
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: And when he stole it, I tried to look back

542
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: and he threw that bitch up in the air and

543
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: you just grabbed it with one hand. I didn't even

544
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: think you can wave.

545
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 4: Here way back kid, you know exactly. I remember everything

546
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: way back.

547
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: Here, and you chumped this so hard and hell, I

548
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: just shook my head. It went on, you know how

549
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: you waving somebody and get out the way. That's what

550
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: I did, just like keep it going. Oh yeah, I

551
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: remember that player. Yeah, everybody always send me that too.

552
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: I would say, I got I got three good dunks

553
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: and my bad d Miles.

554
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: That was one of them.

555
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: The first time I dunked on three cats.

556
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: When I dunked on them three dummies from Duke and

557
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: that's that's all in the same photo shot with the

558
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: tip dunk. And then I had a good dunk one

559
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: time when I was in high school, put back where

560
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: my knee was on his cat neck and he was

561
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: about sixty three, and the ref called the over the

562
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: back on me because.

563
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: I was like what he said, man, your knee was

564
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: on his neck.

565
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: And I'll be damned a lot of y'all not right

566
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: hand to the man, my science teacher at the time,

567
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: mister Hussein.

568
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: He took a picture of it, and I'll be damned.

569
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 4: Are you part of that?

570
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: Though?

571
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: D Miles, my man, I don't got no problem with it.

572
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: When you play this game, you really play d you're

573
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: gonna get it dunked on and you're gonna block a

574
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: couple of dunks.

575
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: So I'm glad. I'm glad we got to share that

576
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 4: because he always trying to talk shit about me about

577
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: my first dunk on was Mookie Blaylock, and he'd be

578
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 4: first of all, I can't remember if it. I want

579
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: to say, my friend, she how.

580
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: Can you brag on Mookie Blaylock. He shouldn't even tell

581
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: nobody no ship like that?

582
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: Right? First of all, Shember Mama Mookie, but she the

583
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 4: truth is the truth. You can't make up somebody. You

584
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: asked me the first person I've done, so I gotta

585
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: tell the truth. If it's I can't say it was Jack.

586
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: If it wasn't Jack, it was it was Bookie Blaylock.

587
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: It was Blaylock.

588
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: Remember when we first came in the league and we

589
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: used to play against y'all because we used play against

590
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: y'all a whole whole lot.

591
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was out there in the West with we

592
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: with the Clippers, and they made a big name about

593
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: y'all y'all fellas, especially when y'all started doing.

594
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 4: All this right here.

595
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: None of the coaches wanted us to do it, but

596
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: but look, but but that's what gave y'all y'all staple.

597
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: So anytime you had to you had the kids that

598
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 2: you know back on school yard doing all that and everything,

599
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: and it was just something we do up in the

600
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: black community or whatever. So I love it was to me,

601
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: that was tough. I loved y'all young boys.

602
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: Man.

603
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: When y'all came to the league, y'all y'all was the

604
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: young gunners.

605
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all the energy and stuff like that. We

606
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: was happy to be here that motherfucker I played for

607
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: the Clippers. I get drafted to the worst team. I

608
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: played for the Clippers, and then they trade me to

609
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: the Cavs, which is the worst team in the NBA.

610
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: So I finally get traded to a playoff team and

611
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: I got Shee Wallace, I got Zeke Ball, Damon start

612
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: of my Derick Anderson, Ruben Patterson like, damn Davis, I'm love,

613
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, this for the go Dad. I remember

614
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 1: they just lost the game with it to the Lakers.

615
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: All this, I'm like offingna make the playoffs. I ain't

616
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: made the playoffs, just like my field. Y're so I

617
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: get there in the first day. She say, d Mile,

618
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm about this, jont, I'm like, what do you remember?

619
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: We played together when I got traded there. We played

620
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: together for about probably about a month. We probably played fifteen,

621
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: but we won like thirteen of them. We beat the Lakers,

622
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: went on the East Coast swing, ran them on off.

623
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: We probably lost like literally three games. It probably won

624
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: like thirteen because y'all, y'all had a slow start that year.

625
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it was. I give myself

626
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: some proper pet myself on but I don't know if

627
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: it was a spark. D Miles was in the jail.

628
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: We got traded, we started getting because we was we

629
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: was actually four at the end of that season. We

630
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: was actually four games out the playoff because they traded

631
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: for theo Raftliff and Sharipa.

632
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: I do it right, hend uh huh. But I remember

633
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: it was New Blood.

634
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: I remember I kept on begging you, like she you

635
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: gotta stay cause we got z Bo on this block.

636
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: I got you on that block. We got da over there.

637
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: I run into three. We got Damon playing a point.

638
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: And then when I seen you win a championship with

639
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: the Detroit Pistons, and I'd be like, damn, Chauncey Billups

640
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: is Damon, start of mine, Richard Hammeleton Is Derrick Anderson,

641
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: tay Shane press Me. They got she Ben Wallace. We

642
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: got a kind of a better score in being Wallace,

643
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: but we got Big Wallace at Zebo and I see

644
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: you win a championship, and I just remember you get

645
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: out of here. And then I seen when you was

646
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: at the wrestling match. I meant they had a wrestling

647
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: match at the road Road and I'm walking me and Zebo.

648
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: Now we walking in you're like the minds. I told you,

649
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm about this jone. I'm gonna see how boys like

650
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: and I ain't see you no more after that, man,

651
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: But I wanted you to play. I just wanted to

652
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: play with that team and putting the Trailblazers made the

653
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: play theoffs twenty two years in the row. The year

654
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: I get there, they don't make that bitch no more

655
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: for another five six, seven.

656
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: He thought he thought he was on his way. He

657
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 4: thought he was well on his way.

658
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: So you you like owe me one believe in us

659
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: like like this.

660
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 2: It was it was seven years, but noah, it was.

661
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: It was the new GM that they bought in. Yeah,

662
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: I knew I was out of you know, we and

663
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: like you said, things was looking up. It was a

664
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: good situation. Moe was our coach, our coaching cool. Everything

665
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: was cool. Yeah, and now man, we get a new

666
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: GM and yeah and John An that's the first thing

667
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: I told Mo. I said, oh, I'm out of head

668
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: and looked at me like what, like man whatever, like nothing.

669
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: And then I told y'all through that because I know

670
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: I knew how he was the one who traded me

671
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 2: from Washington to Portland. So I don't know what it

672
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: is because I never knew him in college or any

673
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: of that, so I don't know what it was with

674
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: his personal thing as in to trade me. I guess

675
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: with me, you know, being the best piece of trade bait.

676
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: That's all I can see. But I knew I was

677
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: out of there. That told everybody. It's not that I

678
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: wanted to be out of there, but I knew he

679
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: was gonna trade me.

680
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: He was gonna trade me or force my hand for

681
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: me to.

682
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: Say that I want out. But Paul Allen rest and

683
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: soul too. Paul Allen, that was my man, great great,

684
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 2: very few great owners and dog. They once once they

685
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: got me up out of there and went to Detroit

686
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: and and saw what type of catt they were. I

687
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: was like, look, hey, I said, it's going to be

688
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: like this for seven years because he gonna get rid

689
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: of everybody who makes a significant difference during the game.

690
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: They want to go young, get all the nice guys

691
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 2: in there, because that's when we had the whole jail Blazers.

692
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: And I came in on the back end of that.

693
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: I came in the back end of that exactly.

694
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: So if I would have stayed like if me and

695
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: Bonzi or me and Damon.

696
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: Would have stayed. Yeah, you would have been labeled to

697
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: jail Blazer too.

698
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: No, I was, I was labeled. I was label I

699
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: was with Zbo, So me and Zebo was the last. Yeah,

700
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: but that was like the reason I say that because,

701
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: like I said, I see you win a championship with

702
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: a team that's similar to the Blazer team that you left,

703
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: and that was the best team in my NBA career

704
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: that I had the opportunity to start with. And that

705
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: was the best five I ever played with in my

706
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: NBA career when I played with you, Zebo, d A,

707
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: and Damon and NAS signed me and told me like, yeah,

708
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm a give you this all this money. You are

709
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: franchise player, but I'm a I'm gonna start Sharif. And

710
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I just started last year. Why would

711
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: you Why you give me the money and tell me

712
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: to come off the bench. Yeah, it was and you

713
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: told me to lead that motherfucker. But I can't pass

714
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: up on fifty million if I ain't never had fifty million.

715
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: You got one of the you got one of the

716
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: weirdest stats, Like you played one game for the Atlanta

717
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: Hawks just one like, first, do you still have that jersey?

718
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: Is it framed anywhere? Like it's part of the collect Okay,

719
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: but how was that experience for you to be like

720
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: there for one game and then you you off to

721
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: the Pistons and we know what we're gonna talk about

722
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 4: what happened out there, But how was that to be like,

723
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: you get traded from the Blazers to the Hawks and

724
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 4: you there for one game. It was awesome, man, it

725
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: was awesome. I got you a town for a couple

726
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 4: of days. Yo.

727
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: So you know, I got traded during the whole All

728
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: Star break to go down there, and it was crazy.

729
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: When I went down there and check into the hotel.

730
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: What was there? They was having a national barber and

731
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: Hairdresser convention. I was like, oh my god. I was like, okay,

732
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: this time that started off here in the A.

733
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: Some some listeners might not know what's going zone right now,

734
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 4: but just know that is if you if you you

735
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: like us, it was a good time.

736
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

737
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: So I'm down there and you know, down there for

738
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: a couple of days we practicing. So our first road

739
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: game was against the defending Eastern Conference champs.

740
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 3: At the time, it was the nets with jkid Kmart.

741
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: You know Carrie.

742
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: Skidder, you know the RJ, that whole squad, so boom,

743
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: we're playing them in Jersey and we almost got that game.

744
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: But man, to play with Steve Jack and Jay Terry

745
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: real talk.

746
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: I felt like back in Carolina where I had I

747
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: had a killer point guard, big point guard, had to

748
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: respect him and that was my J Mack. Then I

749
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: had he Jack. He was my stack house. You know,

750
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 2: that wing player. He could shoot, dominant, athletic and had

751
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: that killer attitude too.

752
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I said we could do something.

753
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: I said, we can't make the playoffs, it's too late,

754
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: but we can mess it up for everybody else, right,

755
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: And you know that that one game, man, I loved it.

756
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 4: I was.

757
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: I was so looking forward to a home game.

758
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had twenty twenty and six in like three quarters.

759
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 4: So you balled down like that.

760
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: Man, You shooting the shit out that ballfucker.

761
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 4: How was it in your mind when you get the

762
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 4: news like right before the deadline that you but you're

763
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: about to get moved to the Pistons. And you know

764
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, you already know what they got you.

765
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 4: You you know what I'm saying, you've been in the

766
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 4: league long enough to know them guys and you know

767
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: what they bring. Then they got coach Larry Brown, who

768
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: a Carolina guy, you know him somewhat like? What was

769
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: your thoughts headed into that situation? Three things? I was

770
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: thinking three things.

771
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: One, damn, I was just talking shit to these guys

772
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: two weeks ago when we was out there in Detroit.

773
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: Now as I talked shit to now were teammates. I

774
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: ain't taking personal. And I was like, a second, as

775
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: you just mentioned Q with LB Larry Brown, you know

776
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: that whole Carolina connection. That made it comfortable and that

777
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 2: also put my mindset in, Okay, I know what type

778
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: of coach I have.

779
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: I know what type of coach you.

780
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: Know he is.

781
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 3: And that third was my man d Ham.

782
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: You know I had new d hand from beforehand, Darvin

783
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: Ham from beforehand and just talking with him and he

784
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: was like, Yo, you gonna love it. You know, guys

785
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: in school, there's no egos and this and that. I'm like, no,

786
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: it's I said, it's no way that you could be

787
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: around fifteen, well fourteen other professionals and nobody have an ego.

788
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: I was like, it's no way I said, you know,

789
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: I've seen it throughout the NBA, throughout professional sports.

790
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm telling you, and I'll be damned if

791
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: he wasn't right. It was no egos. So when I

792
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: got there, you know.

793
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: Just just trying to find my niche because one, they

794
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: were all ready your team, and they were already to me,

795
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: a pretty good team on the rise, especially when they

796
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 2: had Rick Carlin. So with Chauncey again being blessed with

797
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: another big point guard, Damon Stotomy was the smallest point

798
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: guard I played with in my career, but thankful that

799
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: when I got to Detroit.

800
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 3: You know, Chauncey was a big point guard.

801
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: We all know that, and just playing with that squad

802
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: figuring them out was like, all.

803
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: Right, cool.

804
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: But the hardest one for me to figure out was

805
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: Ben and reason being. Come to find out, he was

806
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: just like me. His birthdays like two weeks before mine,

807
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: same year and everything. So I'm like, oh, that all right,

808
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: that's me. That's why he liked that. So all right,

809
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: but it was awesome though. Man, I loved it, dag.

810
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: You know, I felt it as being a fresh start man.

811
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 4: So I played for LB coach Larry Brown, you know, York.

812
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: You know, I got his one year in New York

813
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 4: was my first year there, so and you know, we

814
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: had a whole lot of ups and downs and struggling

815
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: and stuff. But that was one of the things that

816
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 4: I did. You know how coach is, he's like a

817
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: teacher and the storytelling away when he's coaching and stuff.

818
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 4: So he would use you as an example all the time.

819
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying about how selfless you were,

820
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 4: how you came in and completely turned the team around

821
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 4: because you weren't afraid to talk like. He used you

822
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: as an example every day when whenever he was trying to,

823
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: you know, get get people to talk to each other, communicate.

824
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: On the court, he was like, he was like, we

825
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: want a hole championship because we made one move and

826
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: one guy came in and he was a linebacker. It

827
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: didn't matter. You heard his voice everywhere on the bus,

828
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: in the locker room, all on the court. He was like,

829
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 4: he was like, and that's what he was like, you

830
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: have to be like that. He was like, he was

831
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: the difference in us winning. And I feel like, I

832
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 4: feel like Coach Brown, you know what I'm saying. I

833
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: feel like he got a bad rap in New York

834
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: with us because it was a crazy group, bro, Like

835
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 4: you know how it is in the league when you

836
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 4: got a whole bunch of big name guys where they

837
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 4: in a at a changing a turning point in their

838
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 4: career or whatever that they going through, and they and

839
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 4: everybody back. Everybody is bagged out. So it's like, you know,

840
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: you got people with egos. I got my money, I

841
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: could do this, I could do that, and you got

842
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 4: they all been that dude. We always you know what

843
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: I'm saying, everybody coming in like, man, I got bags

844
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 4: on this something like and it's like, brother, to watch

845
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 4: him try to navigate that, bro, and then the way

846
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 4: to that you know how all that play that and

847
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: it looked crazy like to this day, Bro, Coach Brown

848
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: one of my all time favorite coaches, like favorite people,

849
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: like he was always solid, true and you know what

850
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 4: I'm saying, keep it real with you. But I just

851
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 4: was looking at it, like, Bro, this was It was

852
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 4: one of the craziest years you would ever even imagine.

853
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 4: Whoa boy, I'm just like I'm talking about I promise you.

854
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: He used you as an example so many times and like, boy,

855
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 4: just always like listen like this like this man came

856
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: in with all the money. He already had money. It

857
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 4: didn't matter he could have, you know what I'm saying,

858
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: did this and that he came in and gave himself

859
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 4: to the team like always, you know what I'm saying.

860
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 4: You know, we always rock. But I just think about

861
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 4: that when we talk about coach b Man.

862
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: LB, and I used to call him pound for pound,

863
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: and I gotta agree with you, Q. He is a

864
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: hell of a basketball coach, a great coach. He eats

865
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: sweet drinking shit basketball, you know, and it kills him.

866
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: I know it's killing him now with this whole COVID

867
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: situation and with gym's being closed. You know, it's killing

868
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: LB right now because he just likes to teach basketball.

869
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: And I think that's again, as you mentioned about the

870
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: whole ego thing, and we didn't have that in Detroit.

871
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: I think that's what made it to the point where, okay,

872
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: like we can rock and roll with LB.

873
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 3: You know, because as a coach.

874
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: Now, y'all know, some coaches got bigger egos than the

875
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: players that they're coaching. So LB ain't have no egos.

876
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: He's like, look, I just want to go out here.

877
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: Let's play some basketball. Let's just win. Give me everything

878
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: you got. I'm gonna give you everything I got, and

879
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, go home and kiss

880
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: the babies. And that's what I love about him. Man,

881
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: if you're not LB is a mental coach, he's a

882
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: mental coach for sure. If your mentality, it's just like,

883
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: all right, I'm just coming to gym practice and I'm

884
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: going home and he's your coach. You're not going to

885
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: like him, you know, cause, oh, now he's making you

886
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: late for lunch with you know, his wife or your

887
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: girlfriend or you know. Now he's making you late for

888
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: disappearance or that appearance because he got you in that

889
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: gym work.

890
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: All he wanted to do is work.

891
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: And I remember his biggest slogan when I got to

892
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: Detroit was Cadillacs down there, worker bees down here. And

893
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: at first I was like, I'm like, man, what the hell?

894
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: And then d Hamm was like, look, if you want

895
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: to get some extra work in, go with the worker bees.

896
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: But if you just chilling, want to get some shots

897
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: up talking ship, go down there with the Cadillacs.

898
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: How I said, all right, I got him, man, I

899
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 4: got I like that.

900
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: I like that and that's that's all he is.

901
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: Man LB great guy too, Man's he just loves the basketball.

902
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: He cares about his players even to this day.

903
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: And if I'm not mistaken, he's one of very few

904
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: coaches who've been named damn near all his players on

905
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: both levels, and he's the only coach to win n

906
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: CUBA and NBA championship.

907
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: Head coach, you almost had the opportunity to slay the

908
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: Giant by beating the Lakers with Portland, then you get

909
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: the opportunity to play them in a championship. Take us back,

910
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: like going into that series because they coming off three straight,

911
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: they got Shad Kobe, plus they added a little bit

912
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: more working Malone and GP and all that well legendary work.

913
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: So to coming into that, you know a lot of

914
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: people didn't have y'all to be favorites or have y'all

915
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: to win shit out of that. Actually probably had y'all

916
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: to get swept, you know what I'm saying. But y'all

917
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: came in and y'all do the sweeping and y'all do

918
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: the ass kicking. Like, how was that? To just take

919
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: us through the process of when y'all first started that

920
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: series and getting to the end, when you win that championship.

921
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 4: Finally, Game one.

922
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: I felt before the tip of it, I'm like, yo,

923
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 3: this redemption for me.

924
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: I was just in this building a few years ago

925
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: trying to get to an NBA finals. But it fell

926
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: apart for us. You know, fell apart for us quite

927
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: a few times dealing with LA because hey, the dynamic

928
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: duo Man, Batman.

929
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 3: And Superman whatever whatever you want to.

930
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: Say, that.

931
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: Was they was them boys, and and for for so

932
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: many years to be sitting at home getting put out

933
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: the playoffs, playing until.

934
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: Like you know, beginning of May and losing.

935
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 2: To the Lakers in five, or losing to the Lakers

936
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: in six, or getting sweat by the Lakers.

937
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 4: Boy said this time he was in his Marshall Mathers,

938
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 4: Marshall Mathers mode, like it's time I got.

939
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: So I'm back, I said, I'm back. I got a

940
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: better defensive team. I got guys who are more team

941
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: oriented and have the will to win. I was like,

942
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: we're gonna kick these guys ask And you know, we

943
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: all had that feeling going to that game one.

944
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: The locker room. It's normal. It wasn't like all right,

945
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: it wasn't quiet.

946
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: It was like we gotta focus game one of the

947
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: fund It was normal that, like we were pretty much arrogant.

948
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna lie.

949
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: Because we knew what we could do, and we knew

950
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: that they couldn't do nothing to do anything about what

951
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: we was about.

952
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 4: To do to y'all, you know what I'm saying.

953
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: So came out there Game one, ran them out the gym, boom,

954
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 2: and we played as a unit. You know what I'm saying.

955
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't just one person. You know, yeah, we all

956
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: could be averaging thirty on other teams, but no, we're

957
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: playing at that unit. Everybody the bench included Boom, we're

958
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: playing as that unit. So we're like, bo all right.

959
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: So game one were like, all right, we stole them.

960
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: We did what we were supposed to do. We had

961
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: to get one out to two at home in La.

962
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: Excuse me.

963
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: We did what we were supposed to do. So now

964
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: let's go out here at game two. Let's go and

965
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 2: get game two. So boom, we go our game two

966
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: dog fight, dog fight, and rest his soul. The great

967
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: player that he is, Kobe hit a big shot for

968
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: him to give them, you know, to go ahead.

969
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: Boom.

970
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: So now we're going back to Detroit one one, so

971
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 2: we're like yo on his plane ride. Everything was normal

972
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: for about the first hour or two. Guys playing cards,

973
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: a couple of guys watching movies, you know, other guys

974
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: just chit chatting. But for somehow, some reason, it seemed

975
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 2: to be around the same time, and we all pretty

976
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: much was thinking it and brought it up, like, Yo,

977
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: y'all know we can't go back. Did y'all know what's

978
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: gonna happen if we go back? So we're gonna have

979
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 2: to end this right here in Detroit. And that game

980
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: three came out four and then when we smelled that

981
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: blood like that shark, you know, a shark smelled blood

982
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: in the water up to seven eight miles away. So

983
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: and after we beat them game four smelled that blood,

984
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: we was like, oh, we got them.

985
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: They ain't know what to do.

986
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: LB mixed the whole game plan up, you know, like say,

987
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: the call might have been the hawk right, and so

988
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: it's regular hawk cut during the season, but in the

989
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 2: playoffs and that championship series, the hawk cut is something

990
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: totally different.

991
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 3: But they think and they scout like, oh, it's hawk.

992
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: Playing man slicing through them like a hot knife through

993
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: butter and then we also said that we know that

994
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: at the time, David Stern wanted to get that to

995
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: him because it was his Hall of Fame team. You

996
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: know you got Hall of Fame, Kobe Hall of Fame,

997
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: Shaq Hall of Fame, Carl Malone in my opinion, Hall

998
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: of Fame GP. You know you got Hall of Fame

999
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: Derek Fisher. You know you got a lot of Hall

1000
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: of famers playing on this team. So yeah, that's it

1001
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: would have been a perfect storybook ending to beat us.

1002
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: I feel like when I watched that series, like y'all

1003
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: believed in the game plan, it just looked like y'all

1004
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: was just a team that just played together. Believe even

1005
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: the game playing, y'all didn't care who scored the point

1006
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: as long as it was more points than they had.

1007
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: Like y'all just were playing on defense. Y'all played as

1008
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: y'all always on that road, y'all always rotating. Y'all was

1009
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: doubling down, rotate. They couldn't just because they swung it

1010
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: out if they won, swinging too the COVID, they swung

1011
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: to anybody else. It didn't matter. Y'all wasn't doing too

1012
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: much or nothing.

1013
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: I'm happy to say I got two NBA records that

1014
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 2: will never be broken. One is getting forty something technical

1015
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: in the one season.

1016
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: That'll ever be broken.

1017
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: And then two was that defensive stint that we had

1018
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: when I was with the Pistons, when we had like

1019
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: seven eight games and held high scoring teams under seventy points.

1020
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: And the crazy thing about it, I swear to y'all

1021
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: the last two games that we did it, we tried

1022
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: to do it, but like the first five or six

1023
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: games we did it, we were just playing.

1024
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: Playing the right way, yeah, playing and.

1025
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: That that was our slogan, d Miles the.

1026
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 4: Right way that and not that that's coach brown Snow

1027
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 4: the right way. That's coach Listen, that's his deal. So

1028
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: how did it feel like when you finally you achieved it,

1029
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 4: you made to the top of the mountain. I've seen

1030
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 4: you get the swaggy w w E belts made, like,

1031
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 4: tell me what that was like, Like now I'm a champion,

1032
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 4: Like what's that feeling? Like?

1033
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: I can't tell you nothing.

1034
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: It was.

1035
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: It was it was nostalgic, man, it was you know

1036
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: how you ever heard the expression like oh I'm about

1037
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 2: to die my life flashed before my eyes. Well, when

1038
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: that clock hit Zeros, everything that I did up to

1039
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: that point flash before my eyes, the hard work standing

1040
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: out there at the bus stop and the snow having cat.

1041
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 2: You know, I got robbed a couple of times. Cat

1042
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: snatched my bus pass. Now I got to walk home

1043
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: in the snug. Then, you know, playing in this place,

1044
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: playing in that place, all the times I had to

1045
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: do push ups and I couldn't do them, or I

1046
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: had to do this and I couldn't do all of that.

1047
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: And a quick flash and then to see that confetti

1048
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 2: come down, man, and then the hair Queen song played,

1049
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: we are the Champions, and then they had that actual

1050
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: that material, that golden ball in your hand.

1051
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: It's like, yo, everything that I.

1052
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: Did, all the injuries, all the times that you know

1053
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: we lost, and all the fights that I had and

1054
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: this and that I said, all that's forgotten.

1055
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: Is it's worth it?

1056
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: When you hold that all worth I'm at the top

1057
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: of the mountain now sipping the juice the best in

1058
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 2: the world. We're catching that fresh breeze and it was lovely, man.

1059
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. And the thing about it. Each

1060
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: year after that.

1061
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: NBA Finals time, you know, it's nostalgic, bro. You know.

1062
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: We always even to this day, we still text each

1063
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: other like, man, yo, y'all remember when we did this

1064
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: and that, and.

1065
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: You'll never forget it. They're your brothers for life.

1066
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: For life, for life. After y'all won that championship, that

1067
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: next year, y'all try and fall back to back and

1068
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: y'all run into a team that's way more disciplined and

1069
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: don't feel like they they don't have that type of

1070
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: swag as the Lakers have. You're playing San Antonio. They

1071
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: basically a team like y'all. I felt it was a

1072
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: great matchup. I was so happy that they came. They

1073
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: made it there because it was like, man, I want

1074
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: to see this, these perfect two teams play with each other,

1075
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: go through that process of how you think y'all lost

1076
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: that championship?

1077
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 4: Oh, it was it was.

1078
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: A lot, And I would have to say, you know,

1079
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: I added on to that.

1080
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,959
Speaker 3: For number one, we knew that they were the NBA's team.

1081
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: David Stern loved them because at the time, and y'all

1082
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: can go back and look this up, he called him

1083
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: his team of United Nations doing pre games and you

1084
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: know this, and that his team United Nations. That was

1085
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: his biggest thing, and that's when he was trying to

1086
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: make that whole push and whole move to get.

1087
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 3: The NBA over in China.

1088
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: So he's, you know, glorifying the whole fact that, Okay,

1089
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: here we have a team playing for the World Championship

1090
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: in the NBA and it's only two or three Americans

1091
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: on there out of the fifteen guys my team in

1092
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: the United Nations.

1093
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: So one we already knew what we was up against.

1094
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 4: And yeah, I.

1095
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: Got to say a lot of it canceled each other

1096
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: out as far as the positions, as far as the coaches.

1097
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: It was a hell of a battle, and it just

1098
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: came down to like it was, it was a whole

1099
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: lot more for us to.

1100
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: Fight, you know.

1101
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: And y'all know what I'm talking about when you get

1102
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: them crews in there, and you know, them home crews

1103
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: and everything. So we knew what we were facing. We

1104
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: knew it was an uphill battle. But yet we're the champs.

1105
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: We were the champs, but we knew it was still

1106
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: an uphill battle for us. We knew we wasn't gonna

1107
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: get no home court love or none of that. And

1108
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: it was a hell of a match, no hell of

1109
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: a match, seven games and it came down to I

1110
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: think we lost by like six seven, so I.

1111
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 3: Don't regret it.

1112
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: Another one of my favorite players is Kevin Garnett, Like

1113
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: one of my favorite favorite players to see, like, how

1114
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: y'all embrace each other and y'all got the respect for

1115
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: each other to get the opportunity to go to the

1116
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: Celtics and get opportunity to play with your man, like,

1117
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: and I know how much I respect each other. How

1118
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: is that for you to just you and your man

1119
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: to actually be on the team and rock together on

1120
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: the NBA level?

1121
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: Man, it made it easy. It was the truth be told.

1122
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: It was like I looked at that same situation as

1123
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: myself and Dale Davis, with myself and Ben and.

1124
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: Then with now myself and KG.

1125
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: I was thankful enough to be, you know, paired up

1126
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: with another forward slash center who is defensive minded. You

1127
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: know that, And y'all, y'all know that's all KG is.

1128
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: He gonna try to get in your head. You know,

1129
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: he's going to do everything he got to do before

1130
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: the game to get you psyched out, because that's half

1131
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: of the battle right there, And it's just his whole presence,

1132
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: like he gets up for it and that's like all right.

1133
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: You know, When at first I got there, I'm like, man,

1134
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: this dude crazy. But then just being there and knowing him,

1135
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right. I was like, man, it's gonna

1136
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: be a great year right here. First few practices it

1137
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: was that starting fire Rondo Paul Ray Perk, KG versus me,

1138
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 2: big baby t a Eddie House. I want to say

1139
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: it might have been Marquees Dames, my man.

1140
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: And dog.

1141
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: So we in practice and you know Kg's KG. Oh yeah, yeah,

1142
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: y'all know, hold up.

1143
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: I talked to.

1144
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: Back and forth and at the end of practice, you know,

1145
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: we all just sitting around and big babies like, man,

1146
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: I ain't never seen nobody go back and talk junk

1147
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: to KG like that. I'm glad you here, and I'm like,

1148
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: oh man. We just all started cracking up though. But

1149
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: it was lovely though, Man, it was lovely. It was

1150
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: a defensive minded team.

1151
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all. A mirror y'all looking at y'allself, both of

1152
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 4: y'all like just like you looking at him talking about you.

1153
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 4: This isn't like that's how we was all looking at you.

1154
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 4: When you saw like man, this man crazy getting text.

1155
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: He doing it like you crazy.

1156
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 4: So y'all look at each other the same way.

1157
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I say that the only difference between KG

1158
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 2: and I, I do agree with you.

1159
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 3: There's a lot of similarities.

1160
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: The only difference is I would say he's a better

1161
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: rebounder than I am, but I would have to say

1162
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm a better.

1163
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: Shooter than he is.

1164
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: But if you take that away, yeah, everything else the

1165
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: same defensive mind that, Yeah, we gonna get you up.

1166
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: Talk Jones blah blah blah blah. Forget everybody else. We

1167
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: focused on his team. Do this right now. It's it's

1168
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: all the same.

1169
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: You grew up in Philly and you was a Knicks fan.

1170
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: They say, once a Nick, always a Knicks. You got

1171
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: the opportunity to New York Nick Jersey on and playing

1172
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: a garden and you know, like, for a basketball player,

1173
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck where are you from? You

1174
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: always want to kind of do that or experience that

1175
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: at least one time in your career. How was that

1176
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: for you to you was older, but just to experience

1177
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: that coming from Philly and just being around that man,

1178
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: it was love.

1179
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: It was huge because yeah, I grew up a Knicks

1180
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: fan because of Pat Ewing following him at Georgetown.

1181
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 3: You know, I always loved my mixers.

1182
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: But when I had the opportunity when you know, Coach

1183
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: Woodie called me, Mike Woodson, when you call me like, man,

1184
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: you know what you're doing, might need your help a

1185
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: little bit, blah blah blah.

1186
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: And when I.

1187
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: Came up to see that team to first, When you

1188
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 2: walk into the garden and you know you're seeing those

1189
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 2: banners up there, it's it's a different feeling, real talk.

1190
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 2: When you playing against them, and you know, you got

1191
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: that nostalgia and you hear the crowd and this and that,

1192
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 2: so you're like, oh man, this is the garden.

1193
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 3: This is what everybody all the hubbubs about.

1194
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: But when you playing for them, it's a totally different experience.

1195
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: When you walk in that garden, it's like you you

1196
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 2: automatically get smacked with the history. You know, you walking

1197
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: in the back hallway, you know, Fraser, all of all.

1198
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 4: The concerts and everything, players, boxing events on hockey in.

1199
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: This building for the last like a kajillion years or whatever,

1200
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: and so to be part of that, I was like, man,

1201
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: you know, I'm lucky.

1202
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: I'm thankful.

1203
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: I was like this is it was almost kind of

1204
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,479
Speaker 2: sort of like a dream come true because I did

1205
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: when I was especially when I was younger, wouldn't mind

1206
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: playing for the Knicks because, as I said, huge Patrick

1207
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: Ewing fans, so to see that and you know, the

1208
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: practice facility, and to me it was a it was

1209
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 2: a class a organization from the way that they treated

1210
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: their players and everything like that.

1211
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: So I get a lot of flat because people are like, oh, man,

1212
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: Dolan trash, they get rid of.

1213
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 2: Dolan this and that, and all I gotta tell people

1214
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: is like, look, for my one year that I was there,

1215
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: Dolan was first class. He wasn't never scared to come downstairs.

1216
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: He ain't always sitting in his box upstairs. He came downstairs.

1217
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: Interaction. I'm playing a lot of the room all that.

1218
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 4: Listen, bro I say, I say a lot of times too,

1219
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 4: like you know, I played four years there, so obviously

1220
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 4: people hit me with the comments and this then the

1221
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 4: third about Dolan, and this then the third. And he's

1222
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 4: the reason I'm not I'm not ever trying to like

1223
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 4: say that this man is perfect because I don't know

1224
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 4: his life and I see a lot of things written

1225
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 4: about him. But I'm but like you say, I can

1226
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 4: speak to my experience with him in my four years

1227
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 4: as a player and the things that I observed and

1228
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 4: the people that I know they're that what they observed.

1229
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 4: So like when I talk to a person like John Wallace,

1230
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 4: like you know what I'm saying, you'd be hard pressed

1231
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 4: to find, Like I don't know the facts of the numbers,

1232
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 4: but you can look at a lot of teams and

1233
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 4: you go look at that next organization. It's a whole

1234
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 4: lot of dudes that played for that team that's being

1235
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 4: employed and working within that organization and have been for

1236
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,479
Speaker 4: a long time, like not just recently, because he takes

1237
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 4: like this has just been how he operated with those guys.

1238
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 4: He and those guys all to a man, be like, man, look, man,

1239
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 4: he ain't perfect, but it ain't nowhere near as bad

1240
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 4: as they trying to make like he's the sole reason.

1241
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 4: I don't believe that he's the sole reason that the

1242
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 4: Knicks aren't successful. I think it's a it's a joint

1243
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 4: left a lot of yeah, joint after a lot of

1244
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 4: different things going on, and it's not just him, and

1245
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 4: I think like they think that it's you know, he

1246
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 4: just sell the team, Like the problem is saw I

1247
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 4: think they would quickly find that it would still not

1248
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 4: be just over with you know what I'm saying, it's

1249
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 4: not that simple fact.

1250
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: That we usually played like a little fun game on here.

1251
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 4: Oh wait wait wait wait wait wait, wait before before

1252
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 4: you go there, because I did want to say this

1253
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 4: about the next time that was that was my only

1254
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 4: time that I was really like a teammate that she

1255
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 4: we got a little stint together then you know what

1256
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I was riding to the airport with him

1257
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 4: and all that he was picking me up. We had

1258
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 4: the Camaro playing the song to pull up, so you

1259
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 4: gotta pull up something like that, and like we kind

1260
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: of really retired together because like that was it for me,

1261
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 4: and then that was like it for you, Like we

1262
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 4: kind of that was it, like we got that was

1263
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 4: the last little time that we lost in that playoffs

1264
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 4: to the to the Pacers. They put us out and

1265
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 4: then you know, we that was kind of it for

1266
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 4: so you know, just won't throw. That was the hell

1267
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 4: of a year or two hey, And I was so

1268
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 4: so I say this. I got a scoring championship, I

1269
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 4: won an NBA title, and I got a six man

1270
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 4: my sixth MANI scoring championship came from the next of

1271
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 4: course Jr.

1272
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: Got the sixth man and that's when Mellow had got.

1273
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: The scoring tient title. And man, just that whole year,

1274
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: I think we won like what three.

1275
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 4: Was the number one seed? Yeah, we see all that.

1276
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: Man, that was the last time, I would say, the

1277
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 3: last that they had.

1278
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 4: I set out my last year. I got waved by

1279
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 4: the magic after training camp, set out the whole year

1280
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 4: and the next time me two days Bro, two days

1281
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 4: before the end of the season. She you were there,

1282
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 4: you can vouch with this. Remember the game I played,

1283
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 4: I had to play all them minutes and I threw

1284
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 4: up walking into halftime, Bro, Bro, I was trying to

1285
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 4: make it off the court and look, I didn't know

1286
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 4: you Remember they had remodeled the guard. So I'm I'm oblivious.

1287
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 4: I ain't I don't even know, Bro, I'm trying this.

1288
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 4: See let me tell let me tell you what. This

1289
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 4: was the worst part. Like they had clinched the number

1290
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 4: one seed. So they rested people. No Mellow, no, Tyson, Chandler, no,

1291
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 4: all these people. They sitting them out. So we sitting there,

1292
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 4: it's like it's about to be me. Pablo Precia. We

1293
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 4: only had literally like six dudes, like they made Jard

1294
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 4: just put a warm up on. He' he have a

1295
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 4: jersey because he wasn't gonna get But you got to

1296
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 4: officially have eight. You gotta have eight bodies out there.

1297
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 4: Officially we have Remember Earl barn we had signed Earl

1298
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 4: bro yep Bro. First quarter Pablo Pi twist his ankle.

1299
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 4: He done. So now we're down to six players. Bro,

1300
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 4: I ain't playing all you Now. This is when I

1301
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 4: know I could be I could be fact. You would

1302
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 4: tell anybody wanted listen. I don't give a damn about

1303
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 4: no treadmill. I don't give a damn bout riding no bike.

1304
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 4: I don't give a damn bout running around no neighborhood.

1305
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 4: I get all three in Orlando, hot, this hell Florida,

1306
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 4: running and all this. Man. I got my ass out there.

1307
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 4: Soon as he went down, I saw I had to

1308
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 4: play the message. Minutes I just started praying. I was like,

1309
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 4: please let me make it through this, Bro. Like that

1310
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 4: halftime buzzer thing went off and I felt like somebody

1311
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 4: had to punch me in the stomach. But I walked

1312
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 4: so slow. I was walking so slow and focused I'm

1313
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 4: holding my breath so I don't make sure I don't

1314
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 4: swallow the wrong way. It don't come well, I said, man.

1315
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 4: Soon as I hit the I hit the curtains, throw

1316
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 4: up right there, right, Bro. They didn't change the whole background.

1317
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 4: They got the whole courtside club with the glasses right here.

1318
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 4: Everybody looking him like, oh they come getting me through.

1319
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, man on kim im like they clean? I say, man, Look,

1320
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 4: they was like, did I went out like this?

1321
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: Man?

1322
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 4: I was so I was so unbetter they clean came

1323
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 4: cleans up real cause I finished the game. I played

1324
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 4: the game. I ain't do shit I had Like I

1325
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 4: got eleven rebounds though, Bro, I ain't scholl No, but

1326
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 4: I think I may score one bucket. But got me

1327
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 4: some boards. You know what I'm saying. It was. It

1328
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 4: was a great year. Man fun team. That team was

1329
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 4: so fun that like, tell him how crazy Emon Shumper was?

1330
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 4: He not hilarious?

1331
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: Q myself, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Tyson, Tyson Chandler.

1332
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 4: Tyson Chandler, can be my home, Blake Can.

1333
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 2: Smith, Yeah, Hello, Pablo Prigioni, Ronnie Brewer, h Mello, mellow,

1334
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: who else I missing? I think I'm missing one more,

1335
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: but that it was a hell of a team and

1336
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: it was it being a veter Did you say J Kid?

1337
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 4: Did you put J Kid in there?

1338
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: I put J Kid in there? You know, everything in

1339
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: the lane and all the veteran dudes. For the most part,

1340
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: we always just hanging out together.

1341
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 4: It was like, man, the country Club, I tell something

1342
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 4: I tell I tell Sup. Every single time, I can't

1343
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,959
Speaker 4: think about him, like if I see him on social

1344
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 4: media everything, I always think of him. And that Rick

1345
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 4: Ross song you don't even know. Remember how you played

1346
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 4: that before every single playoff game and that boy went

1347
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 4: to dancing and doing his own rat before every gay.

1348
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 4: I say, some boy kept it lit. But it was

1349
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 4: never a dull moment on that tam boy, I swear,

1350
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 4: and he had bars bars still do?

1351
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1352
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 4: Tell me this when where how the ball Don't Lie? Begin? Where?

1353
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 4: Where's the birth of mister ball Don't lie? Please?

1354
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's just regular talk that we all

1355
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: do on the schoolyard.

1356
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 4: Man.

1357
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 3: You know, I'm pretty sure something.

1358
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 2: It's some sayings that from y'allhoods where y'all grew up at,

1359
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 2: you know, out there in the loop and everything. I

1360
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: know y'all go your own slang and everything. So it's

1361
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: just all all schoolyard talk. And one day, you know,

1362
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: I heard guys in my neighborhood saying that ball online,

1363
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 2: you know, when a guy we all been through it,

1364
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: boom called a foul on.

1365
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 3: Last points of the game. All foul.

1366
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna respect the call. So here you go,

1367
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: boom boom boom. You got the ball back, and you

1368
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 2: take another shot and you miss it and opposing people

1369
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: get the rebound.

1370
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 3: Yet that ball online with your cheating ass, And so

1371
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 3: it just came out one day.

1372
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: I just blurted it out, you know, just going back

1373
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: to it because I was I was upset with the

1374
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 2: official for calling a bogus call for the cat that

1375
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 2: was on the line when he plunked that first one.

1376
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 3: That's where them three words was born.

1377
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: So we play a game on here where we say

1378
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: start bench cut, for you start bench cut, Chris Webber,

1379
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan, Kevin Gortnett, Who would you start? Who would

1380
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: you vinch? Who would you cut?

1381
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 4: All right? What era?

1382
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 3: You're talking about?

1383
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 4: The prime? All in the prime Prime?

1384
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 2: Damn that's hard. Damn you said three big names too,

1385
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: all right, So I would have to say.

1386
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 3: Start. I'm for me personally the way I feel.

1387
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start KG Yep, I'm gonna bring Tim Duncan

1388
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: off the bench because that's my security with defense or

1389
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 2: even more defense. But I would have to cut Webb

1390
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: because out of the three, he's the worst defend Okay, no,

1391
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: it ain't even matter of but chi he's the worst

1392
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: defender out of the three.

1393
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: I know something I wanted to ask you. I always

1394
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, how in the fuck do you

1395
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: play in Earth Force one hot time?

1396
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 4: That's what I was about about.

1397
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: Say, like, I ain't seen nobody in that since the

1398
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: eighties wearing no flat shoes and hooping them up, Like

1399
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: how did you pull that off? And like how.

1400
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 4: Did you make that? You made that? But you made

1401
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 4: that a signature shoe, like you like not only how

1402
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 4: did you pull it out? But like how much do

1403
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 4: you get?

1404
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: You gotta get the hot, get the whole.

1405
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 4: Hot, but the whole hood has to respect and love it.

1406
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 4: That is the That's the hood shoe of America and

1407
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 4: Philly in all our hoods.

1408
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: That's that.

1409
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the hood shoes, the Cadillac of shoes.

1410
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 3: In the hood.

1411
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 4: That was the most expensive. That was I mean, that

1412
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 4: was that was the that was the that was the

1413
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 4: shoe you could afford. That was the nicest that was

1414
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 4: there was you know what I'm saying.

1415
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 3: Seventy five hours man, any color, seventy five hours.

1416
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: So when I got to the league, the reason that

1417
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: I did wear them was because they were the only

1418
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: true high top sneakers. It was either going to be

1419
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: wearing Air Force ones or I don't know if y'all

1420
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 2: remember that David Robinson's that had.

1421
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: The forces the Forces little air.

1422
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: Pumpturee air Force ones, or to David Robinsons. I was like,

1423
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna wear another dude's shoe. I don't know.

1424
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 2: At the time, I didn't know David Robinson or anything

1425
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: about them. So I went with the Air Force one.

1426
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 2: But what made it easy to wear it was the orthotics.

1427
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: You know, take the take the regular flat insole out

1428
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 2: like you said, and you know, you put that orthotic

1429
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: in and it's molded to your foot. And but my

1430
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 2: main thing was just the protection of my ankles. Man,

1431
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 2: That's why I always wore hot tops. Like to see

1432
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 2: big men now hooping Kobe's or crazy these local tops like, yo,

1433
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: you will shatter your ankle in them joints. So I'm like, no,

1434
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 2: I gotta protect the money makers somehow, some way. So

1435
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: your knees to me, protect your back, your knees and

1436
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: your ankle slash feet.

1437
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: Now you was out there looking fresh into the motherfucker though, like.

1438
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 4: How did that feel? Like? Sure that, but how did

1439
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 4: that feel like when they came you like, all right,

1440
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 4: like we're gonna make these up. We're gonna put your

1441
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 4: fade away on on the back, like like how did

1442
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 4: like like you know what I'm saying. It's one thing

1443
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 4: for you to be all right, y'all, choose this show.

1444
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna wearre it this. But then when a company

1445
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 4: come to you and they like, we rocking with you.

1446
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 4: We want to make this a pe shoe for you.

1447
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 4: Make it like your shoe, like the you the only

1448
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 4: dude that's known is like the Air Force one was

1449
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 4: your shoe man.

1450
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: Me and my brother was geek. You know, we was

1451
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 2: geeked like cause they gave me a blank template. It

1452
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: was like, look, come up with some color combinations or

1453
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 2: you know, the different materials or whatever, and you know,

1454
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 2: we see what we're working with so some of the

1455
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: things they listened to, some of them didn't.

1456
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 3: But I will say.

1457
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,959
Speaker 2: That the hottest pair of Air Force ones I ever had,

1458
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: and I got them around here somewhere is I asked

1459
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 2: them to make me a pair of Air Force one

1460
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: cleats and this was back in ninety seven.

1461
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 3: So I got them joints around here somewhere.

1462
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: And now if you look at it, they got all

1463
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: the basketball shoes down there.

1464
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 4: As too, right.

1465
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: So one of the things like just talking about your

1466
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: game wise, I always loved about your game and the

1467
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: way you play your hot arc and jump shot, Like

1468
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: who taught you that high arc and jump shot? And

1469
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: when did you learn to shoot that jump shot with

1470
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: that such high arc.

1471
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 3: My oldest brother taught me how to shoot.

1472
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 2: He was the jump shot shooter in the family and

1473
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 2: my middle brother was the dunker. So my oldest brother,

1474
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 2: he taught me how to shoot. And it was a

1475
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: young lady by the name I want to say, Carolyn,

1476
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: lived across the street from She was older than me.

1477
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 2: I had a little crush on her, you know, she

1478
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 2: was all city and basketball and playing her in the

1479
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 2: game of one on one one day. She also told me,

1480
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 2: you know, don't shoot the ball in front of your

1481
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: face like this and all that, like we all did

1482
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 2: as kids, trying to make sure that we get it

1483
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 2: up there. She was like holding on the side of

1484
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 2: your face and all of that. So after that, it

1485
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 2: was all right, I'm gonna just put it up there

1486
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: as high as I can so it can't get blocked.

1487
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 3: And it just turned into that jump shot.

1488
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: Just playing and it turns into that post move, turned

1489
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 2: into that fade what they turned to that three and.

1490
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 4: So for so on.

1491
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 1: Who did you grow up like? Watching that? You was like, Emma, like, man,

1492
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: I want to be like that player. Them the players

1493
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: that I wanted to see, because I know you started late,

1494
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: so if you started late, you probably wasn't even looking

1495
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: at basketball as much as you looking at it. You

1496
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: start looking at when you start playing. So who did

1497
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: you grow up and see or who did you see?

1498
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: Was like, man, I want to do that with what

1499
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: he doing.

1500
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: Well, when when I was a young boy and I

1501
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 2: was out there on the court, and you know how

1502
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 2: you all do the five, four or three, you know, well,

1503
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,919
Speaker 2: I always dreamt that I was Doc. I was Kareem

1504
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 2: as far as the NBA goes, and at the time. Also,

1505
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 2: like I said, college, for me growing up, it was

1506
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 2: Patrick Ewing and Billy.

1507
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 1: Owens Billy or Syracuse Billy.

1508
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 2: You know, those are the guys that I was trying

1509
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: to emulate or be like, or I thought I was

1510
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 2: trying to be like as a young boy growing up,

1511
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 2: because as I said, I didn't get in to basketball

1512
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: until I was about twelve thirteen years old.

1513
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 3: Before that, it was just track.

1514
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 2: I just played, you know, like all the other neighborhood kids,

1515
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 2: just playing basketball.

1516
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: If you had to pick four other teammates to play

1517
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: with out of all the teams from the Bullets to

1518
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: the Blazers to the Knicks, to the Celtics to the

1519
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: Detroit Piston, you had to pick four other players to

1520
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: play with, who would beat them four other.

1521
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 3: Players, I'm gonna have to do it like this.

1522
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 2: Give me that Portland team, give me that Detroit team,

1523
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 2: give me that New York team, and give me that

1524
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 2: Boston team.

1525
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 3: I can't, I can't.

1526
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: I think it'd be disrespectful for me just to point

1527
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 2: out just a few guys, because, in my opinion, man,

1528
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 2: I played with so many great guys and I'm thankful.

1529
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm thankful to the basketball guys and to the most

1530
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: high that a majority of the teammates that I've had

1531
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 2: I've never had beef with.

1532
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 3: I'm still friends with to this day.

1533
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 2: And you know it was never no, no locker room

1534
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: drama with any of these guys. So it's hard to say, man,

1535
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: because she I can go from point guard. I could say, hey,

1536
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,839
Speaker 2: Mark Price, but I played with him my rookie season.

1537
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 2: I can go if you want to go between Mark Price,

1538
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 2: Damon Chauncey and Rod Strickland, Like, damn, who you gonna pick?

1539
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1540
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: Or you're talking about j R. Rider, barnsi Wells, Rick Hamilton,

1541
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: Walk Wizard. Who you gonna pick? There's so many guys that, man,

1542
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: I think it would be disrespectful just to try to

1543
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: name the other Florida to do a start and.

1544
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 4: Five, tell me this. When you you're from the hood

1545
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 4: like us, right, so when you first got the bag?

1546
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 4: What did you go do with when you got the bag?

1547
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 4: When you look back on it, like this is probably

1548
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 4: a little crazy, But I had to treat myself one time.

1549
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 4: What what what did big she do? Oh for myself?

1550
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we get to treat yourself one time, you know.

1551
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say I had got the fid or

1552
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 2: six hundred bens.

1553
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 4: Said the big the big boy. Who who else just

1554
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 4: said that? Somebody said the big body. Yeah, Tim Time

1555
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 4: and Tim Timon, Tim Thomas got got them be twelve boys,

1556
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 4: Got them be twelve boys.

1557
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 3: That was the first thing that I did, you know,

1558
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 3: for myself.

1559
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: Of course, after you know, you take care of all

1560
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: the other responsibilities, getting my dukes of crib and car

1561
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 2: and you know, so on and so on. But yeah,

1562
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 2: it was it was that. It was that Ford or

1563
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: Black on Black, and what made me get it little

1564
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 2: Black on Black like.

1565
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 3: It was because of Aaron McKie and Eddie Jones.

1566
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 2: They had the coops, they had the six hundred that's

1567
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: coops rolling around Philly. I was like, oh my god,

1568
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 2: you know all you seen when you've seen one, you've

1569
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 2: seen the others. So everywhere at the club, you know,

1570
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: just on the court all that, I'm like, man, I

1571
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 2: gotta give me one of them.

1572
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 3: I had a family starting off early, so I had

1573
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 3: to get to FIDA.

1574
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 4: On world up.

1575
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: There's two players I want you to speak about that

1576
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: came up up under you. That's like, man, he's one

1577
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: of my favorite players too. And that's ah z Bo

1578
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: and Jermaine O'Neill like to see their careers and how

1579
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: their careers turned out, and you seeing them when they

1580
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: came fresh out the womb to the to play with

1581
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: you as rookies, Like how was it to see how

1582
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: they came in and just to see how their careers

1583
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: turned out of them being so good and making their

1584
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: mark in this league.

1585
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 2: Man, it's like a big brother love, you know, especially

1586
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 2: with Jermaine, with me knowing him the longest. And here

1587
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: you are, You're on a team, you straight out of

1588
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 2: high school and everybody you on this team with now

1589
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: is a grown ass man with kids. You know, you

1590
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,759
Speaker 2: went from being the big fish in the little pond

1591
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 2: to the little fish in the big pond now.

1592
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 3: But the thing that we loved about Jermaine, like.

1593
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 2: Myself, Gary Trent, Sabonis, Cliff Robinson, Joe Klein, we used

1594
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 2: to beat Jermaine's ass, beat his ass, but he would never.

1595
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 3: Complain, like, man, why you found me hard like that?

1596
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: It was never none of that. He would get up

1597
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 2: all right, cool, keep playing. He'd be in the weight

1598
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 2: room before and after practice and then just knowing the

1599
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: type of player that he was like he felt as

1600
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 2: though that he was that game changer. He felt he

1601
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 2: could make that difference out there, and we believed him.

1602
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 2: You know, we saw it in practice, and he had

1603
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 2: his moments during a little bit of minutes that he got.

1604
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 2: But I was happy to see him go and I

1605
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: was happy for the fact of now you got your

1606
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 2: own spotlight.

1607
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 4: Bro.

1608
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 2: You ain't up under me no more. You ain't up

1609
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 2: under Cliff Robinson no more. You got your own spotlight.

1610
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You got your own yard.

1611
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 2: Now go ahead and be that dog that I know.

1612
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 3: You could be.

1613
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,879
Speaker 2: Next thing you see in Jermaine Defensive Player of the Years,

1614
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 2: all Star votes, and you know, doing this, doing that.

1615
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: Team's always in the playoffs, so going deep in the playoffs.

1616
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 2: So like to see him one become that player and

1617
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: then two with us still aging, with him becoming a

1618
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: businessman and he has it's like, man, I'm so happy

1619
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 2: for him, so proud of him.

1620
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 3: It's like you know that big brother, little brother moment.

1621
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 4: Man.

1622
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: You know, it's a loss of words. Really, you know,

1623
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 2: I know his family, mom and brothers and sisters and everybody.

1624
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,440
Speaker 2: I love all of them, wife.

1625
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 3: And his kids. It's awesome man. And the same thing

1626
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 3: with z bo z Bag that's my man too, what's

1627
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 3: up with your man? It was funny because we.

1628
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 2: Had to humble z Bo one time, right, so you

1629
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 2: know he coming fresh off the n C double A.

1630
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, he the man. You know

1631
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 2: we saw him, all right, We give you a respect,

1632
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 2: young fella.

1633
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 3: Good thing. Good thing.

1634
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: So when I was playing, I was starting five and

1635
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 2: they would start him at four. So of course you

1636
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: know I'm getting double teams. So you know I'm kicking

1637
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 2: the ball to him or kicking it out to swing

1638
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 2: over or whatever. So z Bo getting mad buckets. Yo,

1639
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: it's like five six games in the row where Zeo

1640
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 2: had twenty five.

1641
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 3: On more Twitter.

1642
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 2: Now you can't tell Zebra nothing. So he's like, man,

1643
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 2: we like yo, you know, just play right this and that.

1644
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: You're like, oh man, why y'all hating on me?

1645
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 4: My guy?

1646
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 3: Like, man, we ain't hate knowing you. We just telling you.

1647
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 3: Oh my guy, y'all need to stop hating. To stop hay,

1648
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 3: all right, I got something for you. So we just

1649
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,480
Speaker 3: gonna reverse these roles.

1650
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 2: So during the game, I ain't say nothing to the

1651
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 2: coach at the time, Mike Dunneleave, he was the coach.

1652
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 2: We ain't say nothing to him. So we in the game.

1653
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: So if Damon called, like four turn for me, Zach,

1654
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 2: go ahead, it's for you. I'm standing out here. And

1655
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 2: for like three four games and then eventually Dune leaves

1656
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 2: he saw what we were doing, and Zach got what

1657
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 2: we were doing, like yeah, it's like damn, sorry my guy.

1658
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's a totally different story now when you're

1659
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 2: that focused, when you're that focal point.

1660
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 4: We was like yeah.

1661
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: But ever since then, that brother took off and I

1662
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 2: think in his age group he got to lead the

1663
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 2: NBA with double doubles.

1664
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 4: You got to he got right up there. If you're done,

1665
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 4: right up there.

1666
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 3: Man, walk into walking rebound.

1667
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 4: Yeah. I've heard a lot of people, well your former

1668
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 4: teammates or teammates that you play with and stuff like that,

1669
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 4: say that they can't wait for you to get the

1670
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 4: technical foul because they know when you get it, they

1671
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 4: know what's about. No, I'm serious, Like I didn't really

1672
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 4: I've heard Chauncey. I didn't heard these dude. I heard

1673
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,879
Speaker 4: Rip said like get this through when he get that technically,

1674
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 4: like now he about to go hoop, like because sometimes

1675
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 4: they say you might be out there just chilling, not

1676
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 4: really gay. But then like if some get you get

1677
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 4: you upset, Oh naw, it's about to be youngest. But

1678
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 4: what do you think about that? That when you got

1679
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 4: to text it that sometime turn your moto on and

1680
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 4: get you hyped up, like okay.

1681
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 3: For sure, for sure sometimes it did.

1682
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 2: And I would definitely have to say, like if the

1683
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 2: ref are boom, you call a foul on me, all right,

1684
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: foul line, can't go to the line. But then I

1685
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 2: go back down the other end and you see him

1686
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 2: foul me, but you don't call nothing. But then you

1687
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 2: come back down to the other end and you call

1688
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 2: pity path foul. All right, I'm gonna let you have

1689
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 2: it now. So this is what I'm gonna do. Not

1690
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 2: only am I gonna talk shit to you, but I'm

1691
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: gonna make you call this foul. Hey, chunks, but no,

1692
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna turn four chance right here, come on. Or

1693
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 2: at times when you know Chauncey or any of the

1694
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 2: other guys got man, hey, all right, that's hey, she

1695
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: let's go come on.

1696
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna make you call this file.

1697
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 2: But I knew that I was never one of the

1698
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: favorites of the officials.

1699
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: Well let's get technical right now if we can. Yeah,

1700
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: like you in this podcast world, and I know what

1701
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: this podcast world and did for me for these last

1702
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: two years of me coming back around and showing my

1703
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: face and just entering social media world. But like I said,

1704
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: you one of my favorite personalities, people, persons, players. I'm

1705
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: so happy you and Bonds. He's just you know what

1706
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, creating a platform and here are always good

1707
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 1: to see my brothers from from you to to Ryan

1708
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: Hollins and Heywood to Jack them and Matt Bourne to

1709
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: see us all doing that. But but what was it

1710
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 1: for you with let's get technical that you wanted to

1711
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,799
Speaker 1: do it and put out there and create a platform

1712
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: so you can speak up on certain things.

1713
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,440
Speaker 3: Well, really, I would have to give all the kudos

1714
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 3: to Bonzie.

1715
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 2: Bonzi was the one who was in my ear actually

1716
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 2: probably I want to say for about a year some change.

1717
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,560
Speaker 3: He was in my air Bottle.

1718
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: Podcast before I took my high school job, and I

1719
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 2: was like, no, I can't do it now, you know, I.

1720
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 3: Got the high school kids I got to worry about.

1721
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 2: But he stayed with it, and so one day I

1722
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: was like, all right, this cat's too persistent, so let

1723
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 2: me go ahead, let's do it, and let's try it

1724
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: out and see what's what and boom, we just we

1725
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 2: just took it off from there, you know, and watching y'all, Hey,

1726
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 2: I love what y'all doing, man, And to me, we

1727
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: try to be like y'all, but not be like y'all,

1728
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 2: if you get what I'm saying, Like I had that

1729
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 2: longevity that y'all have, Like y'all knocked down a lot

1730
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: of doors, and y'all.

1731
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 3: Gave people different views on basketball players.

1732
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 2: Why because they think that we just know basketball. Obviously

1733
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 2: with you know, with YouTube guys, and and the guess

1734
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 2: that you had is way more than just talking about basketball.

1735
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,480
Speaker 3: So I think you know me personally.

1736
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 2: You guys got a lot to do with me being

1737
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: in the podcast game myself.

1738
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: Oh man, in one of our things is like, man,

1739
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: like everybody can't beat the Hall of Famer or everybody

1740
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: can't be the best basketball player. But one thing I

1741
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,560
Speaker 1: feel about all the players, especially when they made to

1742
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: the NBA and got an opportunity, it's like they legends,

1743
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 1: we all legends they done did something in their life,

1744
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: did a career. They done came from somewhere to put

1745
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: in so much work to make it to that point

1746
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: that we want to give you them flowers. We want

1747
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: to show, like, man, like everybody else might not have

1748
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: think you was the shit, but I thought you was

1749
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: the shit when I was coming up, like and I

1750
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: remember them moments, you know what I'm saying, And like

1751
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: we were just talking like Tim Thomas or just like

1752
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: all the players, and we just want to show people

1753
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: like man, everybody got a story, an adult one, especially

1754
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: if you're made this. It's only four thousand of us

1755
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: and you can't even fill up an arena with that.

1756
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 3: Out of one hundred years of basketball.

1757
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see what I'm saying. So like we're special

1758
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: in every last one of us special. And that's one thing.

1759
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: We wanted to create this platform for us to put

1760
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 1: out the stories and let our players tell the stories

1761
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: instead of anybody else telling them, saying the way that

1762
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: y'all want to say, to drop the jewels for the

1763
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: generations that's coming up behind us to hear like I

1764
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: did this or I put this much time in the gym.

1765
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: People don't know that James hard and the reason James

1766
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: Harden's going out and got damn points because he go

1767
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: to the gym too. He just don't show up for games.

1768
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: He go to the gym and shoot the shit out

1769
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: that motherfucker and then for us to sit here.

1770
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like you shee Wallace, Bro,

1771
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,799
Speaker 4: we grew up, you know what I'm saying. Watch you.

1772
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 4: You ain't see till when before we got in the league,

1773
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 4: to in the league compete against you, and to hear

1774
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 4: you say, you know what I'm saying, we help you

1775
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 4: get into this by what we was doing like that.

1776
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 4: That's crazy, bro, Like that's crazy.

1777
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 3: Think about it if guys like y'all.

1778
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: In my opinion as well, Jay Rose, because he started

1779
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 2: doing it for real, for real back when he was

1780
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 2: still playing with that sideline reporting and you know the commentation.

1781
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 3: And all of that. So yeah, man, I took my

1782
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 3: hat to y'all. Man. Of course, hey, y'all to me,

1783
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 3: y'all the old heads now.

1784
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: Shout outs, get shout out, damn damn yeah, bon Bonds man,

1785
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: that's been my dog man.

1786
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 4: He didn't even know, Like I'm a Midwest kid, so

1787
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 4: you know I was watching him when he was at

1788
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 4: Ball State. It is my cousin in conference Illinois State,

1789
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 4: Rico Hill. They play against each other in conference. So

1790
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, I had been knew about Bonds and when

1791
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 4: I got to leave, you know, we we play some

1792
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 4: and so when I had to play him, I learned.

1793
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 4: I I took some of his moves, his post moves.

1794
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 4: So so believe that Bond's got all the love, but

1795
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 4: he'd been a boy.

1796
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: I remember that series when like y'all first got them at,

1797
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: Bond start really grooving and he was posting Kobe as

1798
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: up every single time getting the bucket. That's what everybody

1799
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: knew Bondsy name after that like up too.

1800
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I knew he could do it, but to

1801
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 3: actually see him do it.

1802
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, we got something here.

1803
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: I want you to speak up on one thing before

1804
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: we get ready to go.

1805
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 4: Uh.

1806
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: I knew a couple of weeks ago, y'all. Uh, we

1807
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: just talked to D C and y'all was in Michigan. Uh,

1808
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 1: y'all guys giving out the water. We just talked to

1809
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: D Cole and he was telling like how you and

1810
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: Jack and everybody was out there giving out water. Just

1811
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: want you to just speak a touch on that of like, uh,

1812
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 1: the water crisis and all that stuff that's going on

1813
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: in Michigan that you was helping out and you were

1814
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: supporting by spreading water out to the communities and all

1815
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: that stuff.

1816
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 4: And make sure you let it be known that you've

1817
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 4: been doing it. It ain't just started having You've been on

1818
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 4: deck since the beginning. Because I was a piss, I

1819
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 4: was working for the pistons. Then I remember you coming

1820
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 4: from North Carolina with through quail wheelers and bring it

1821
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 4: down water. So throw that out there. Now you've been

1822
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 4: doing it from day one day down like this.

1823
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tragic situation for it to be six

1824
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 2: seven years later and Flint, certain areas of Flint, Michigan,

1825
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 2: still has no clean water. You know, they're getting treated

1826
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 2: like it's a third world country because in my opinion,

1827
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 2: and I'm not in these city council meetings or anything,

1828
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 2: but I think what they're trying to do.

1829
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 3: Is get that whole college life back up there.

1830
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 2: You know, you have a lot of these dilapidated buildings,

1831
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 2: You have a lot of abandoned properties and there's no

1832
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: for sale signs on them. You know, you have a

1833
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: lot of these homes that were brought up. You have

1834
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: just think of a city block. Out of the city block,

1835
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 2: you might have about twenty homes on this block. Only

1836
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 2: two of them are being lived in, the others are

1837
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: dilapidated or you know, they don't tore them down. It's

1838
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,719
Speaker 2: the empty lock. But they're all brought up. They're trying

1839
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 2: to come with their master plan. So we've been going

1840
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: up there from day one, since I first heard about

1841
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 2: it myself from Carolina, my family and friends from Philly,

1842
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 2: we've been going up to Flint and passing out water

1843
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 2: and other resources that's needed up there. Ran into the

1844
01:24:58,960 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: first day.

1845
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 3: I did it.

1846
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 2: The first day, ran into More Pete More Peters, so

1847
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 2: with him being a flintstone himself, he's up there. Then

1848
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 2: I ran into another organization called New Era Detroit, which

1849
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: is a community based organization. They came up there and

1850
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 2: just seeing brothers and sisters helping one another at this

1851
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 2: tragic time.

1852
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 4: It's love, yo, man, that's a rap man. This was major.

1853
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 4: This was huge, man. We got our og big dog

1854
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 4: missed a ball, don't lie himself at the guitar. Heel legend,

1855
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 4: you feel me. We got Rashid Rashida Wallace in the

1856
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 4: building with as much love.

1857
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: Bro appreciate it, Man appreciate love y'all, man, love y'all.

1858
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 3: Dudes to death. Dog, you just don't know

1859
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:10,639
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