1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live right 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com. John Schmilt Lance met it 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: with you the phone number two one four five one 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: three hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. If you prefer to 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: talk to us that way, you certainly can. It's all 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: presented by Course Light entered when the Ultimate v I 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: P Game Day Experience. Courtesy of Course Light, text v 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: I P to nine oh four six four for more details. Lance, sadly, 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: for the fifth fourth straight week part of me uh, 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: the Giants are coming off another loss, this time in 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: Detroit to the Lions thirty one to twenty six. We 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: can go through the particulars of this game, but I'm 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: gonna throw kind of more of a generic statement. Curious 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: if you agree with it. We've been disagree with it. 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: We've been easily able to dissect reasons for losses the 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: last few weeks, whether it's turnovers, things the Giants have 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: done poorly. When I look at this game, and maybe 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm biased just from the offensive perspective, but I feel 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: alike the Giants played a better brand of football in 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: this game, but they still managed to lose, be as 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: they just simply weren't good enough and didn't make enough plays, 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: but the Lions did. Do you think that the fair characterization. 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: I would say, if you go through this four game 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: losing streak, it's fair to classify this is probably one 25 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: of the best offensive performances we've seen, if that's the direction, John, 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: that you're going with. In terms of them consistently moving 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: the football, finishing drives with touchdowns, the third downs third downs, 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: they were effective in that regard seven of twelve. But 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: the other issues that are overshadowing that John and I 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: would argue is taking away from that. Rising to the 31 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: top is the early holes that they're digging themselves in 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: in games. That has continued regardless of how impressive the 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: offense was the rest of the game, and also the 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: explosive place that are surrendered on defense. Now, against the Cardinals, John, 35 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: it was the rushing attack for the opposition. This week, 36 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: it was through the air. The Lions had two touchdowns 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: for forty plus yards. And as far as the early 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: sluggish starts, I want to throw out a few numbers 39 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: to you because I don't even know if the public 40 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: is aware of this. Do you know that during this 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: four game losing streak, I was calculating numbers, the Giants 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: have been outscored thirty eight to nothing in the first 43 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: quarter alone, I forget the rest of the game, thirty 44 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: eight nothing in the first quarter alone. And the opponents, 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: the four opponents that they've lost too during this four 46 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: game losing streak have outscored them just off of nine takeaways. 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: Thirty eight points off of those nine takeaways that they've 48 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: been able to capitalize. Is that just in the first 49 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: quarter of that that's overall, that's overall, But thirty eight 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: seems to be the magic number. Thirty eight points allowed 51 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: in the first quarter none for the Giants, and then 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: thirty eight points given up off of takeaways over this 53 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: four game losing streak. It's hard john to win games, 54 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: regardless of how well your offense has come along. Yeah, 55 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: and it's a change because in the first four games, 56 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: if you remember, the Giants scored on their first possession 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: in all four of their first games this year. So 58 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: that is a change in how uh the season has 59 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: gone from those first four games. And the one turnover 60 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: the Giants offense did have in this game was that 61 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: first possession where you know, se Kawon Barkley After the 62 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: game This was after we were off there on the radio. 63 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: Took the blame for not picking up Jared Davis on 64 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: the delayed blitz. Jones tries to check it down, tries 65 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: to do the right thing. I'm not gonna kill the 66 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: quarterback on that. He gives it as he throws the ball. 67 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: It happens, as Pat Shermer eloquently putting his postgame prescott, 68 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: but he was right, and and it is not you 69 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: know that to me, And and we've been honest, given 70 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: honest analysis on Jones on some of the things where 71 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: he's held the ball too along on certain plays and such. 72 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: That wasn't one of those plays. It happens, so that 73 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: touchdown is given up. Then the problem is that the 74 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: defense then gives up a touchdown as well on a 75 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: big play against and Carl Banks and I talked about 76 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: this on the Giants Rewind podcast, which you go up today. 77 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: In a defense that schemed up. They were in quarters, 78 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: which is a four deep defense where you have the 79 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: two corners and two safeties. Was third and fifteen play. 80 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: They all play deep. The whole point is that you 81 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: don't want to have the big play. It's literally designed 82 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: to prevent the big play. So what happens their wide 83 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: receiver Hall, who has four catches whole year but has 84 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: a thirty yard per catch average. He's there, a big 85 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: play guy. He runs a deep post, crosses from one 86 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: side of the field to the other. Everyone has their 87 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: responsibility except for DeAndre Baker and Patrimmer mentioned the outside 88 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: responsibility and the postgame presser. He comes down and plays 89 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: a guy running a short, shorter out route near the sticks, 90 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: which is being covered by Grant Haley. No one's on 91 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: the outside quarter of that field. Hall catch the ball 92 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: over the top, touchdown fourteen nothing. And I asked Daniel 93 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: Jones that question again. I said, Daniel, you know, I 94 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: think the way I phrased the question specifically was that 95 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: in the game where you guys moved the ball a 96 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: lot better than you had against the Cardinals, against the Patriots, 97 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: against the Vikings, it was easy to figure out. And 98 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: and the turnovers why you lost those games. Why do 99 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: you think you lost this game? And the first thing 100 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: he brought up was the early hole and it was 101 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: just too much for them to make up. Yeah, I mean, 102 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: the turnover is a killer, John, No matter who's responsible 103 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: for them, their killer. And like I said off the 104 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: top of the show, it's not just them turning the 105 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: ball over, it's the fact that the opposition is cashing 106 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: in on those turnovers. So you spotted the Lions seven 107 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: points without them doing much of anything. Keep in mind, 108 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: this is how the game starts. Matthew Stafford and the 109 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: Lions are marching down the field. Okay, they did not 110 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: have a problem moving to the football down the field. 111 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: Then Stafford, I don't know what he was thinking. And 112 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: I listened to his commentary after the game, and he said, 113 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: what do you about decisive? Yeah, because I it was 114 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: also very curious to see where exactly he was going 115 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: with the football, And he said, just as he was 116 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: thinking about throwing it, he was unsure should he put 117 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: it over the top of the defense and really put 118 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: some rocket underneath it, which I think that's the only 119 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: place he could have put it exactly, or try to 120 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: give sort of a rainbow esque throw, And so said 121 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: he just threw it right. He went basically in between 122 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: those two options. So this is exactly what he said. 123 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, it sucks the momentum out 124 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: of that Lions drive. The Giants get the ball. You figure, okay, 125 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: maybe they can now take advantage of an early takeaway, 126 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: and what happens, all of a sudden, the Giants give 127 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: the ball back. So you know that has been an 128 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: ongoing trend early in these games. And also the double 129 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: digit deficits, John, that's another part of it. It's not 130 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: just the sluggish starts. It's the fact that the Vikings 131 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: went up ten nothing, the Patriots went up fourteen nothing, 132 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: the Cardinals went up seventeen nothing, and the Lions went 133 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: up fourteen nothing. That means the common theme and all 134 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: four of these losses is they have faced at least 135 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: the double digit deficit in the first half at some point, 136 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: and you come back. You gotta give the Giants credit. 137 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: They've come back, They've pulled within one, they've tied the 138 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: game in the New England case. But notice they've never 139 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: reclaimed the lead in any of these games. Yeah, and 140 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: they had a chance in this game too. They got 141 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: the ball back in the third quarter. In this game, 142 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: there was let me get the exact type right time 143 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: the Giants defense had there only three and out of 144 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: the whole game. The Giants get the ball back with 145 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: three or eight to go in the third quarter, down 146 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: nineteen and they drive the ball down the field. They 147 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: get a nice slant to golden tap for seventeen. They 148 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: even get a third in ten conversion on a defensive 149 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: holding penalty, so they get new life on the drive. 150 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: Theyve ad first and ten in midfield at their own 151 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: forty eight yard line, they run their flee flicker. Daniel 152 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: Jones hits golden tape for it looks like a fourteen 153 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: yard game would have put the ball inside the forty 154 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: yard line of the opponent instead, Nate Solder was a 155 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: little too aggressive on the run. Fake Trey Flowers gets 156 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: around them. He pulls them down to prevent you know, 157 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones him getting hit or you don't remember, Flowers 158 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: gets there early enough you can close a fumble off. 159 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: The pitch is still happening with the flee flicker. It's 160 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: a slower developing play, so soldiers like I can't afford 161 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: to let this guy get through here. I gotta hold 162 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: him out. The problem is that he got beat to 163 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: begin with, obviously, but he could. That's the holding penalty 164 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: puts them in the first and twenty. They and the 165 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: punting The next play, the lines are on their throwback play. 166 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: They score touchdown at the two score game, and at 167 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: that point, down two scores in the fourth quarter, they 168 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: couldn't make it all the way back. Yeah. Well, it's 169 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: another example, John, of a trend we've been talking about 170 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: the negative plays, the self inflicted wounds, right, how that 171 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: is stalled drives, and there weren't many in this game, 172 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: but that was what was a big one. Well, and 173 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. There were five penalties 174 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: against the Giants in this game, John, I would point 175 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: though to the fact that all five of them were 176 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: killer in terms of the time. And first of all, 177 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: you had two penalties on special teams illegal blocks above 178 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: the waiste, which back you up after returns. You never 179 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: want that. You're giving up field positions, especially in a 180 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: game where they had trouble on kick return gaining the 181 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: ball back to the tony five yardline. Anyway, Benny Fowler 182 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: offensive pass interference on believe it was a seventeen yard game. 183 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: Now they recuperated, Okay, they did, they did, they regroup. 184 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: They scored a touchdown on that drive. So okay, that 185 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: when you manage the holding call you brought up also 186 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: comes right after you get a gift of defensive hold 187 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: from the Lions after Daniel Jones is sacked. So the 188 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: Lions say no, you take the field position. Then the 189 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: Giants say back, no, no, you take the field position. 190 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: It was like a game of back and forth. You 191 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: couldn't take advantage and this was the killer penalty. Now, 192 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure fans are I rate over it and it 193 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: was a bad call, but the bottom line, John, it 194 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: went against the Giants and that was the roughing the punter. 195 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: It was a horrible call. David Mayo's hand was on 196 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: the ground and Sam Martin, congratulations. The Academy Awards are 197 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: coming up and if they don't give him a nomination 198 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: in some type of category, it would be a huge disappointment. 199 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: And and that cost the Giants two points. It was 200 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: a hell of an acting job. I know we're making 201 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: light of a situation that did not help the Giants, 202 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: but the truth was he sold it because that's all 203 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: he did. He wasn't hit. He tripped over a finger 204 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: that was in his way and put on a dog 205 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: and pony show for the ref and the ref fell 206 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, it was unfortunate and that gave the 207 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: Lions a field goal. They didn't capitalize with a touchdown, 208 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: but in extended a drive and the Lions were able 209 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: to put points on the board, and then the Giants 210 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: had a chance to maybe kick a sixties something you 211 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: a field goals the other way, which Rosas, by the way, 212 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: is really capable of doing. We've seen it. Slayton drops 213 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: the pass at the forty five yard line going out 214 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: of bounty. He's trying to get his feet in, so 215 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: that prevented them from getting that three points back. Uh. 216 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: And and we'll get the Daniel Jones last, because I 217 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: thought he actually played a pretty gid game. But let 218 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: let's just kind of put a bow on the defense here, Lance, 219 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: because the problem you're running into here is that they 220 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: had started to cut down on the big plays over 221 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: the top. They kept things in front of him. Now, 222 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: tackling was an issue. There are other problems runs after 223 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: the catch and things like that, but they hadn't been 224 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: giving up the plays over the top. Now those are 225 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: back in this in this particular game. And going in, 226 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: you knew the lines like to throw the ball down 227 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: the field. It was part of the thing. And the 228 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: John's actually played that quarters for deep coverage the time 229 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: of this game. They knew that. That's why you play 230 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: that coverage to prevent big place. They made big plays 231 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: anyway on the flee flicker, but they got caught creeping 232 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: up a little bit, got beat over the top. He 233 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: doesn't have to speak to recover um. But third down defense, 234 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's why I was gonna get six 235 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: of nine in the first half on third downs and lands. 236 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: Here's the trick. These weren't even third and shorts, not 237 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: at all. I'm gonna go through a few to here ahead, 238 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: you want to go. I kept the TALLI throughout the 239 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: end because it was a team So a third and seven, 240 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: a third and eight, a touchdown on third and fifteen 241 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: in the market Hall play, a third and seven, a 242 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: third and nine. They converted a third and two, but 243 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: that was a touchdown. I'm sorry, you know. The third 244 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: and two later on in the game was the touchdown Tolladay, 245 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: a third and eight, and then that was the end 246 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: of it. Because they finished up eight or fourteen in 247 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: the first half. The only three third downs they did 248 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: not convert were to third and seventeen and a third 249 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: and fourteen if I'm not mistaken. So obviously you better 250 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: get off the field on those situations, right, So you know, 251 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: they just always seemed to be somebody open in the 252 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: middle of the field, whether it's Danny Amendola or Kenny Gowaday, 253 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: somebody is just always open and somebody and they just 254 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: can't figure out how to get off the field on 255 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 1: third downs against better quarterbacks when they really need to 256 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: play and eventually lands to win game like this. And 257 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: I think this is a big point for this game, 258 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about with the offense to team, games 259 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: come down to a handful of key plays and worth 260 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: the point now, especially for the Giants defense, when those 261 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: key plays come along, whether it's a third down or 262 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: shot down the field, whatever it is, they just can't 263 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: seem to be able to make that play when it counts, 264 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: when the rubber hits the road and the offense, the 265 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: opposing offense calls their best play, they go to their 266 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,359 Speaker 1: best player and they need to make that big play. 267 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: They seem to just be consistently making that play, and 268 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: the Giants just can't seem to get those stops when 269 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: they need him. Yeah, Danny Amendola, you brought up in 270 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: terms of the middle of the field. Here's a telling 271 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: stat He was targeted eight times. John, he had eight catches. 272 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. There was not one in completion that 273 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: went the way of Danny am and Dolan yesterday's game. 274 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: And by the way, he had half of those six 275 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: third down conversions in the first half. Well, and then 276 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: how about Kenny Golladay, who, by the way, his m 277 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: O was every time Stafford goes to him, he picks 278 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: up a first down. He was second in the NFL 279 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: coming in John. Chris Godwin of the Bucks was first. 280 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: Godwin was eighty eight point four percent of the time 281 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: a throw to him leads to a first valid I 282 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: know that. Well, if you look at all the big 283 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: plays that Galladay made, I don't remember Galladay having a 284 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: catch less than a first down. And yesterday's game, as 285 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: long as clearly was the forty one yard to average 286 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: twenty hearts at catch, Well, there you go. So that's 287 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: another issue in terms of letting him get loose on 288 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: third down. This has been a problem, I would say 289 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: for the Giants over the last few years. John, and 290 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: he made some great catches too, by the way, Golliday 291 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: with his hands, oh boy. Well, and that play which 292 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: was the throwback, it wasn't a flee flicker, even though 293 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: a lot of people are classifying at it. When J. D. 294 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: Mckissic threw it back to Matthew Stafford and hit Galladay, 295 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: you gotta give credit to the opposition. It was a 296 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: nice design and they execute and Stafford made a really 297 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: nice thory. Stafford throws that behind him a little bit 298 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: maybe maybe, but they can make up that ground and 299 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: knock it away. You know, the other touchdown, the Golladay 300 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: to Baker a good coverage. You reached back snatch it 301 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: out of a jump ball. Yeah, absolutely, Holiday just made 302 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: a great play with his hands. Absolutely. Yeah. So you know, 303 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: you look at that and the defense. Look, until the 304 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: defense figures out a way against good teams they get 305 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: off the few when they when they need to, and 306 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,479 Speaker 1: to cause puns and to cause takeaways and to cause turnovers, 307 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna be singing the same song on Mondays. It's 308 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: just it's just that's it. Until that gets fixed. It's 309 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: been the one constant theme throughout the year except for 310 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: the Redskins game. And I think that might have had 311 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: something to do with the opponent. So we were talking 312 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: about earlier this until that gets fixed, nothing's going to change. Well, 313 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: and I a hundred percent agree with you. And the 314 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: other thing to bring up in that Redskins game is 315 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: the Giants turned the ball over four times, It's still 316 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: won the game, which just goes to show you. I 317 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: think it had something to do with the caliber of 318 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: the opposition. So turn over four correct. Well, But what 319 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying is, even if you turn it over four 320 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: times and you don't get four turnovers, highly unlikely gonna 321 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: win a game. And the fact that they were able 322 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: to do that, I think says a lot about taking 323 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: advantage of a young quarterback that was thrown into an 324 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: NFL regular season game for the first time ever. But 325 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: I want a piggyback off of a point you just 326 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: alluded to. The other thing that needs to change order 327 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: for the Giants to start closing out games and winning 328 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: is when was the last time, John? During the week 329 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: we all give a breakdown of the opposition, and we 330 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: talked about the weaknesses of the opposition with the Cardinals 331 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: in terms of all of the issues they had right 332 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the all the Lions could 333 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: not stop the run, John. They gave up one hundred 334 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: yard runners in each of the last two weeks. When 335 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: was the last time. We came back on a Monday, 336 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: and we talked about, Hey, you know what, the Giants 337 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: took advantage of a weekend to the opposite. I'm gonna 338 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: do that right now. Are you ready, I'm ready, I'm 339 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: gonna do that right now. Head into this game, we 340 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: talked about the Lions play a lot of man to 341 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: man defense. Well, guess what, they played a lot of 342 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: man to man defense. We talked about how they're blitz 343 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: rate wasn't very high fifteen percent, Well, they only put 344 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: seventeen percent of the time in this game. They pressured 345 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and I think just under twenty something his dropbacks. 346 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: He had a lot of time in this game. He 347 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: got personal a little bit, but it wasn't anything severe. 348 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: He had plenty time to make throws. And without Darius 349 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: Lay their top cover corner, they Melvin out there, Chris 350 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: Ford I think was the other guy that was playing 351 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: some corner the game. Mike Ford. I'm sorry, Chris coach 352 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: of the Celtics. Nice basketball, no problem. So they had 353 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: those matchups and that's why Daniel Jones had success because 354 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: he was able to go out there pick out the 355 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: matchups he liked and He trusted his wide receivers to 356 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: make plays. This wasn't a game lance where these giant 357 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: wide receivers are just running wild and three in the secondary, 358 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: he made small, window covered throws Darius Slayton's two touchdowns. 359 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: He was a wide old Slayton made two great plays 360 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: for his quarterback. He did, but you know what, Daniel 361 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: Jones put the ball where he had to. He threw 362 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: a nice back shoulder throw on one. The other one, 363 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: he threw it high. Melvin didn't get his head around. 364 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: Both those plays were on Melvin, by the way, and 365 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,359 Speaker 1: they scored touchdowns late in the game. They had ford 366 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: one on one with Slayton. Slaine didn't make those particular plays. 367 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: One I thought could have been passed interference. But again 368 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: he trusted him against a corner that isn't It wasn't 369 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: Justin Coleman that he went after. It wasn't Darius Slaves 370 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: he didn't play. He went after. It was somebody else. 371 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: And he did a great job identifying the mismatches that 372 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: he could on particular plays, and he made those plays 373 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: same way he got Sae Kwon Barkley isolated onlinebackers. Now 374 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: he made a poor throw on that wheel route early 375 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: in the game, which could have went for a touchdown. 376 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: He threw it out of bounds. But Barkley beat Jared 377 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: Davis on the sideline. He beat Jared Davis on that 378 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: angle route in the middle of the field. Of the middle. 379 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: If the turf Monster doesn't get se kwon, he's still 380 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: running and and that that's a score. No one's catching him, 381 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: I would argue, no. I know a lot of people 382 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: pointed out it looked like Tracy Walker may have been 383 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: able to catch with John because he did come in. 384 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: Once again, it's a hypothetical. I wasn't sold that it 385 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: was an automatic touchdown. It was certainly gonna be a 386 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: much bigger game one on one in the open field. 387 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: I would absolutely give him the edge. I'm just saying 388 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: that I don't think it was as clear of a 389 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: path as some people make it out safety coming It 390 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: was a thirty eight yard play that would have went 391 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: for fifty plus at least if he doesn't stumble, ok, 392 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: and it would have put the Giants in the red 393 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: zone with a chance to score. So even missed some opportunities, 394 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: no question about it. I mentioned that Slaton drop so, 395 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: but the bottom line is that as bad as the 396 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: lines run defense was, the past defense was just as bad, 397 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: just as bad, and Jones doo for over rugid yards. 398 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: He threw for a high percentage. He didn't throw an interception. 399 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: He saw that the Lions play men and he had 400 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: time the offensive line for the most part until a 401 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: couple of drives at the end and again in big 402 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: situations at the end. The offensive line didn't get the 403 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: job done, much like at the end of the game 404 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: last week, which is a problem, but for the most 405 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 1: part they took advantage of a weakness and the Lions 406 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: and an injury at cornerback with Darius Slay and the 407 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: passing him did actually take advantage of No that's fair, 408 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: I guess I was looking at him more from the 409 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: Lions were twenty against the run, and but to the 410 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: Giants point, that took absolutely with respect of the past, 411 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: fish with the past. The one thing though that I 412 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: didn't see them capitalize much on was the ground attack 413 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: twenty four carries for eight yards, but they did make 414 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: plays through the air. Daniel Jones was a solid performance 415 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: overall in terms of his career high four touchdown passes 416 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: efficient for the most part, was there one interception that 417 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: he was fortunate to get away with in terms of 418 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: adjusted Coleman pass which was intended for Golden take Coleman 419 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: was right in front of him fourth down, that could 420 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: have easily been an interception. I thought you meant the 421 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: Walker play from the safety position in the first half 422 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: when he came over on the deep and almost got 423 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: the sectionassified his two. Then ye, where Coleman was right 424 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: in front of Golden. That was actually one of them. Again, 425 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: we talked about making the big plays at the right time, right. 426 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: That was a key fourth and five to keep it 427 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: driving going at the end of the game, to get 428 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: the game to within one score, and the Lions actually 429 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: blit seven. They put seven guys and they went to 430 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: zero coverage and it was actually a really smart play 431 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: by Coleman. And I remember that was a guy that 432 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: Patricia targeted to bring over from the page plot corner 433 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and he's it's because he's a good player. 434 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: So he knew that the line that the Giants did 435 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: not have enough players to block for the quarterback, so 436 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: we'd have to get rid of the ball quickly. So 437 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: they had two guys running deeper routes on the sideline. 438 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: The Giants, they take one on one in the slot 439 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: against Coleman. Golden takes an excellent slot receiver. I would 440 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: trust him to win that matchup. So Coleman plays inside technique, 441 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: which for fans that don't know, he's gonna prevent the 442 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: receiver from going inside. So if you know Tate's running straight, 443 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: he angles himself towards the middle of the field so 444 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: he can't cross his face right. So Tate has to 445 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: run the quick out, but Coleman anticipates the route broke 446 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: on the ball got in front of a knocked away 447 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: and that is one of those bigger plays and bigger 448 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: situations with the Giants, and execute quite well enough, and 449 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: they wound up turning the ball over on downs on 450 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: consecutive possessions late in the game. That was the first 451 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: turnover on downs. And then of course it was the 452 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: one where you were referring to. Daniel Jones threw to 453 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: Darius Sladen in the end zone twice and it was 454 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: broken up by Mike Ford. I actually thought the second 455 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: of the two was a stronger case or pass interference 456 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: as opposed to the one you were because the first 457 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: one to me went right off his helmet, and I 458 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: didn't even know if he was gonna even be able 459 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: to make a play. I think he did if the 460 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: corner didn't run into it. Well, I I thought Ford 461 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: made a decent play with his hand. I thought the 462 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: second one was more of a bear hug for both ways, 463 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: and you could have easily Yeah, that's the argument, and 464 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: that's why the second one. I thought it was a 465 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: bear hug both ways, which is why. And frankly, I 466 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: almost feel to an extent, if the receiver is not 467 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: even trying to go after the ball, are you hindering? 468 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: Remember the rules, right has to be clear and obvious 469 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: that you're hindering theirs here from making a catch. He 470 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: was not trying to make a catch. No, I think 471 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: that's a valid play. And actually I don't know if 472 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: I got that one. I understood why that wasn't called. 473 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: I thought the quarterback was wear only on the one 474 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: before that, which is and by the way, after Jones 475 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: could have made a better throw. We could have led 476 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: him more towards the sideline to to mitigate that contact. 477 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: But at least that was my pick. But the BottomLine, guys, look, 478 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: the rest is aren't what lost the game. Not at all. 479 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: And even if that play is reviewed, first of all, 480 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: there's no guarantee it's gonna be overturned. And secondly, they 481 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: still would have needed help after that in order to capitalize. 482 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: That wasn't going to tie the game. So you know, 483 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: you have to look at it once again from a 484 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: big picture of perspective. The only thing that I was 485 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: going to add with respect to that last play, Darius 486 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: Lane was actually asked about the fourth down pass because 487 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: he was asked, did you lose the football and the lights? 488 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: Because to your point, I asked him that let's patch 489 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: you on the back for that. Okay, I didn't want 490 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: to put you on the spot, and I know if 491 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: you were the one just distinctly remember that question. I 492 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: thought it was a good question. I know why I'm 493 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: complimenting you again about that. But anyway, as we continue 494 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: unravel the facts here, he then admitted he said, and 495 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,239 Speaker 1: I actually liked this at a Darius Sladen, not that 496 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: he was going to throw his quarterback under the bus, 497 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: but he was the first one to admit, Hey, I've 498 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: got to do a better job looking back for the 499 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: football and locating it. That's all he said. And that 500 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: was on point and he and even if he didn't 501 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: throw Jones under the bus, which you shouldn't have because 502 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't Jones's fault. Of course, he could easily said, 503 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I just lost in the lights. That happened. 504 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: He actually took responsibility for it and took accountability for it, 505 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: which is from a rookie, exactly what you want to see. 506 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: By the way, all right, I think we touched everything 507 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: on the game you want to touch, and I think 508 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: we got everything all right. Bigbo is presented by Corps 509 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: Light and when the oldimand VI I P Game Day 510 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: Experience courtesy of Corpse Light te V I P to 511 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: nine O four six four from more details. Now, I 512 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: already see the people on the line want to ask questions. 513 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: And we know about the reported trade. You also know 514 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: the rules we operate under. We we'll say this about 515 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: the trade that's been reported. We know what's out there. 516 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: We cannot confirm it because it's not official due to 517 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: NFL rules. Since we are here on a team website, 518 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: you cannot discuss these things until the trade becomes official, 519 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: So we cannot discuss the specific parameters of the trade. 520 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: We can talk about the player involved, so feel free 521 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: to call asks about that. We can have that conversation, 522 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: but as for the trade itself, it's not official, so 523 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: we'll have to dance around that as best we can. 524 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: Four or five, one, three Again, it's all presented by Cores. Right, 525 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: let's go to the phones and say what's up to 526 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: Mica and New Jersey. He'll lead us off. What's up, Mike? 527 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: How are you guys? Go ahead, Mike? What do you got? 528 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: I have two questions? Sure? Um? Do you guys think 529 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: the Giant ques running back as receivers out of the 530 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: backfield enough? Um? Like, I haven't seen that a lot 531 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: since the Redskins game. Well, I mean, I remember Barkley 532 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: had a thirty eight yard catch yesterday that could have 533 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: went for a touchdown. It doesn't fall down, and Barkley 534 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: was wide open on a wheel route down the left 535 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: sideline that could have went for a big game or 536 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: a touchdown, but Jones overthrown. So I think the opportunities 537 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: are there. I think they're trying, and it actually against 538 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. On the throw deep to red Ellison, Barkley 539 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: is running down the numbers on the left side of 540 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: the field wide open. So if you don't the Ellison 541 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: he could have thrown at the Barkley on that play. 542 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: So while I don't think you're getting the production that 543 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: maybe you would have thought before the season, I do 544 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: think they're more involved than the numbers might indicate. Well, 545 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: and Mike, keep this in mind. You know it's interesting 546 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: you reference. I haven't seen it since the Redskins game. Okay, well, 547 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: let's go back to the timeline. Barkley gets hurt in 548 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: the Bucks game. Okay, he misses a few games. He's 549 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: by far your best receiving thread out of the backfield. 550 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: Wayne Goldman is your second best receiving thread out of 551 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: the backfield, and he gets hurt with a concussion in 552 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: that game. So your two best options have not actually 553 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: been on the field consistently over the last few games. 554 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: I think that's more of a reason why they weren't 555 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: able to showcase what you saw a little taste of yesterday. Okay, 556 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: and um, how do you think a player like Leonard 557 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: Williams will fit into the Giant defense? Well? As a player? 558 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: And Mike, thanks left the call. We appreciate it. Leonard 559 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: Williams is an interior defensive lineman. The Jets are in 560 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: a four three now, Uh, they under the other than 561 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: a four three now the Jets. Well, Greg Williams moves 562 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: things around. He does, I know he does, think, but 563 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: this way, he is traditionally an interior defensive lineman. He's 564 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: not gonna play a lot of end. He's gonna play 565 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: mostly inside with three technique type of guy. So in 566 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: a three four defense and base, he'd be one of 567 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: those three guys at the line of scrimmage. If you're 568 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: in a sub package and there's four men at the 569 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, he'll be that three technique guy. You're 570 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: not gonna put him out at the edge that he 571 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: has done that a little bit for the Jets. Um 572 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: generally speaking, over the course of his career has been 573 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: a better run defender than he has been a pass rusher. 574 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: Obviously a very talented player. He was a very high 575 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: pick in the draft third fifth overall when he got 576 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: picked by the Jets. I think he so six overall, 577 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: thank you. So he's a guy that would help in 578 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: those ways. Yeah, he's a versatile defensive lineman that he 579 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: can move around on the inside and the outside because 580 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: he has experienced a tackle and and you're not going 581 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: to see him as a linebacker. Though, if that's what 582 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: you're perhaps thinking, that they're gonna bring him in and 583 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: move him out of his comfort zone, I'd personally be 584 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: surprised unless James Betcher has some trickery up his sleep 585 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: and aren't a lot of three inch pound lineback. Yes, 586 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: So that's why I was gonna say no, because I 587 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: think a lot of people they look at Leonard Williams 588 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: and they think pass rusher immediately. There at least some people, 589 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: well they shouldn't know, they shouldn't you, right, But he's 590 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: not an edge player. He has a defensive line, He's 591 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: not He has the ability to get to the quarterback, 592 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: though I think you can certainly point to that his 593 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: sack numbers are not through the roof. But he's going 594 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: to be a guy that's gonna have to win the 595 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: battles in the trenches. They're not gonna line him up 596 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: as a linebacker and look to game momentum that way 597 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: that I can tell you we have some open lines. 598 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: By the way, folks, five on three, hashtag giants chat 599 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: on Twitter, will try to get some of your tweets 600 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: along the way as well. Let's go back to the phone, 601 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: say hello, to Ryan and Virginia. He's up next day. Ryan. Hey, 602 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: what's going on, gentlemen? What's up buddy? Doing right? Ryan? 603 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: What do you got for us? Um? I just want 604 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: to kind of um touch space. I think one, you 605 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: gotta hit it right on the head About the game 606 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: on on Sunday. I really like the way the the 607 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: offense that actually looked really good outside of the obviously 608 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: the little backwards lateral and then uh well the third 609 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: that was almost picked off. But you gotta hit it 610 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: right on the head. I know the Giants kind of 611 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: had that been don't break mentality, um type of mentality, 612 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: But you gotta get off the field. Um. The defense 613 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: can't um keep third and seven, third and six and 614 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: and just keep getting burned for first downs. And that's 615 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: I think that right there was I'm not gonna say 616 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: it was the backbreaker, but it certainly didn't help us 617 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: out that much at all. And then they're on top 618 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: of it. By the way, you're not a bend but 619 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: don't break defense. When are you giving up two touchdown 620 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: passes that go for more than forty yards? So I 621 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: mean that's if you're playing that type of defense, you 622 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: can't give a big plays like that, it's just not 623 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: gonna work. Yeah, exactly, and M one one one question 624 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: I do have, Um, how is I know, obviously a 625 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: plumb but say is is a veteran? I know you 626 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: guys were talking about obviously Julian Love potencially playing some safety. Um, 627 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: how is he progressing along? Um? This year? I know 628 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: the Giants right now are two in six. Um, unless 629 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: you know when eighth straight, there's really not much of 630 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: the shot off us getting into the playoffs. Um, what 631 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: how is his progression coming along? Because that's one of 632 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: the guy that saw the thought would see some time 633 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: on the field. Obviously hasn't been on the feel with 634 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: that much at all. Now. That's unfortunately we can't watch 635 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: practice in the regular season, so it's really hard for 636 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: us to tell. Yeah, I thought Julian Love got some 637 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: work yesterday, though Tuesday did bring him in. Yes, it 638 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: was limited and d day on Buchanan by the way, 639 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: as another guy we didn't bring up who we should 640 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: mention got leg of the snapcheft. I saw that correctly 641 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: earlier and I actually do Yeah, he did. He was 642 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: actually very helpful in terms of stopping the run a 643 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: few times as far as Julian Love moving forward. It's 644 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: similar Ryan, I think, to the approach with Corey Ballentine, 645 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: who unfortunately still in concussion protocol. You know, they're now 646 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: easing him in and special teams, and I think that 647 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: was the game plan with Julian Love, and then little 648 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: by little as the season progresses and they start to 649 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: build confidence in him during practice. I don't think it's 650 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: crazy to think that his workload, the amount of defensive 651 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: snaps that he'll get, will continue to increase. But you know, 652 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: they're not just gonna throw in those guys like baptism 653 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: by Fire if they feel that they have more experienced 654 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: players at that position. But in the second half of 655 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: the season, I don't think it's a stretch at all 656 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: to perhaps think about seeing Julian Love in some of 657 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: those different circumstances. Yeah, and then one more, one more thing, 658 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: I think again, I think a lot of people are 659 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: not given enough love to too geentleman Um at least past, 660 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: especially with these past two drafts, especially with what Connelly, 661 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: even though he's down for the year, he really looked 662 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: like a miss Opian shot um out of a tank 663 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: or anything playing that linebacker spot. Darius Clayton and other 664 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: late rounds. Raft pick Um Dexter Lawrence who who's not 665 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: getting enough love. Don't know if you guys can look 666 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: it up, but I saw a an article um through 667 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus he was one of the highest grads. 668 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: Um he's been too rookies. Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, 669 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: I think he was the highest before this week if 670 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: I remember correctly. Yeah. And and what's the drafting guys, 671 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if Lorenzo carn I think with B J. Hill, 672 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: I think, I know this year hasn't been hasn't been 673 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: the greatest, but I think you gotta give Cattleman and 674 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: the fact that he's cleared up a lot of cast plays. 675 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: I think you've got to give that guy a lot, 676 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: a lot of credit. When I and after that, man, 677 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: I take that, I take the answer off, like I 678 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: appreciate everything you guys do. I live in Virginia, so honestly, 679 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: I can't catch it on a daily basis. I look 680 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: forward to you guys podcasts every day. Thank you. I 681 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: appreciate that. And and that's the big reason we do 682 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: these because you know, a lot of the folks that 683 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: are out of state and at a city, UH don't 684 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: get a lot of Giants contents, so we're happy to 685 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: help you. Yeah, and I think you have to feel 686 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: good about a lot of these draft picks so far. Obviously, 687 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, well, Hernandez has been a starter. You know, 688 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter has not chown quite the pass rush um 689 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: progress you would have liked to see, but he's shown 690 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: you a little bit of something. B J. Hill has 691 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: been a quality starters, a third round pick. I think 692 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: Darius Slayton is outperformed a fifth round draft slot. Connolly 693 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: had been rounut performing a fifth or fifth round draft slot. 694 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: And you know, Baker has been up and down. He 695 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 1: had a couple of really good coverage plays in that 696 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: game down the field, but then he had the mistake 697 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: we talked about. You know, Daniel Jones has shown some things. 698 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think so far the draft classes look good. 699 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't always hesitant Lands and we talked about 700 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: this all the time, even after a season and a half, 701 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: I'm not willing to judgr draft class yet. We gotta 702 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: wait a little bit longer and eventually, and and look, 703 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: they will be the first one to say this during 704 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: this business. To win games, right, eventually, the Prof's got 705 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: to be in the pudding. So and he knows. Everyone 706 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: knows that, you know, but it takes time. Look, NFL, 707 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: things don't don't happen like this. It's you know, guys 708 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: don't step in and are a great right away. It's 709 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: not how it works. But I think the early signs 710 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of these guys are extremely extremely positive. Well, 711 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are playing. I think that's 712 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: the larger point. So they're getting quality reps as you 713 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: ran through the majority of the personnel, and you hope 714 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: with the additional reps comes improvement to your last point. 715 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: And you need sometimes three to four years to get 716 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: a good grasp of a draft class overall. You know, 717 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: there have been a lot of times where we've gone 718 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: back and we've looked at previous draft classes, and unfortunately, 719 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: sometimes an entire class was no longer on the roster. 720 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: And it's very hard to maintain a competitive team for 721 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: any squad. It's impossible. Okay, actually interestingly connected to this, 722 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: and I know nothing's official, but the Leonard Williams trade 723 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: the Jets, and I don't think I'm wrong. I think 724 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: I read this correctly. Have no members of their two 725 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen draft class anymore on the rosters. Correct, So 726 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: he was the last member of that class. That class 727 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: class firmass now and that happened. Sometimes when you bring 728 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: in a new GM, and that GM and that coach 729 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: is not connected to those draft class members, they have 730 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: no ties, it's a little bit easier for them to 731 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: move on from those players. They same to be said 732 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: for Pat Irmer and Dave Gentleman and in parting ways 733 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 1: with some draft picks for the old regime. So you know, 734 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,479 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily anything unique for the Giants. I think 735 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: you see that trend across the league. But Dave Gentleman understands, 736 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: especially if you go back to what he did in Carolina, 737 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: you need to come through with your draft picks. You 738 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: cannot build the team through free agency alone. You cannot 739 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: go on a spending spree every single offseason John and 740 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: expect that that is going to solve all of your issues. 741 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: And the Giants, remember made that big splash in two 742 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen. It gave them instantaneous gratification for that one season. 743 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: It was not sustainable, and I think Dave Gentleman understands 744 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: that because if you go back and you look at 745 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: how he built his team in Carolina. He did not 746 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: throw money at the wall and see where it would stick. 747 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: He did a combination of the draft and he also 748 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: invested in some of the guys that were previously drafted 749 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: to make sure that he could build the nucleus that way. 750 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: It's go to Ron in New Jersey. He's up next 751 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: here on Hey guys, what's up? Um? So just not 752 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: talking about this potential trade that may or may not 753 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: have happened. Um, but I even I just saw a 754 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: report from me and Rapp report that the Giants are 755 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: open to dealing Jenkins local trade and the Soldier. And 756 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: my my thing is, at what point are we going 757 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: to stop selling off like any of our good players, Like, 758 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: for example, this team needs a cornerback going into next 759 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: season with Jenkins, he's still our best corner by a mile. Uh. 760 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: You know, he had the rough game in Tampa, but 761 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: overall he's kind of solid season. He catches the ball 762 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: when he has a chance to make a play on it. 763 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: At the point, we have to build some strengths here. 764 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, how long are we gonna keep you tripping 765 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: down all our veteran players and and trying to actually 766 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: win some games. Well, I think with any player, and 767 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: once again, anything you're reading is pure speculation. Keep that 768 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: in mind. Run you know, there's nothing substantive at this point. 769 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of guys that are dangled out 770 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: there on the trade market because the trade deadline is 771 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: gonna be tomorrow and we've seen a lot of wheeling 772 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: and dealing. I will say this, I think most gms 773 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: will tell you this is not just for the Giants. 774 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: You never team to get rid of your quality players 775 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: to your point, but if somebody blows you away with 776 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: an offer and is willing to give you unbelievable return 777 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: in terms of future assets, I think you listen regardless 778 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: of how good that player is. I think that's a 779 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: part of being a general manager. So if somebody wows 780 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: you and really wants the player that you have, and 781 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: you went into the season saying, you know what, we're 782 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: not going to get rid of him, but hey, what 783 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: we could do with what we get in return, I 784 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to listen. Doesn't mean you pull 785 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: the trader. Obviously, I want them to listen because somebody 786 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: could do something foolish, But exactly, I mean, do you 787 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: think it's worth while to turn its for like a 788 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: third round pick. I don't think that's making us better. 789 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: I think that makes us worse. And it's just a 790 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: gamble on a player that based on odds, it's not 791 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: going to be good on the line. Look Roun, I 792 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: I think the point that you make, and I'll tell 793 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: I'll tackle from this aspect is a good one, and 794 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: we appreciate the call, thank you very much. Good stuff. 795 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: When you trade players that are starting fewer premium positions 796 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: right and left tackles a premium position, as we will 797 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: learn here over the course of four or five years 798 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: as the Giants tried the final one cornerback premium position right. 799 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: And I think the point where I made as good 800 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: is that you have to and then this part of 801 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: his point was good, you have to eventually replace those guys. 802 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: So what's your cost of replacement? If your cost of 803 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: replacement is going to be significantly higher than the cost 804 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: of the current player plus the cost to retain that player, 805 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: then that will impact whether or not you make the trade. Right. 806 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: But if you return gives you better value and less 807 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: cost than the cost of what you currently have, then 808 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: it makes sense. So that's the whatever phone calls. And 809 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: again we're not obviously commenting on who's available and who's 810 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: not a commenting that at all because we don't know that. 811 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: Only Dave Gentleman and the other people do. We respect 812 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: Ian the obviously is a good reporter back and I'm 813 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: not questioning reporting. It's just at this point and and 814 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: that and and that's all, we're gonna treat it as 815 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: that's that's that's the answer that Dave Gentleman has to 816 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 1: figure out whenever he gets an offer for the player. 817 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: Is what you're getting for him going to be higher 818 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: value of what it costs to replace the player that 819 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: you're trading because eventually can't play with no left tackle, 820 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: You can't play with that a really good start in quarterback. 821 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: You gotta replace those guys at some point too, right, 822 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: So is that cost worth it? Remember the Giants are 823 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, they're in very good cap situation next year already. 824 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: They don't need more space, per say, more space never hurts, 825 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: but they're not, you know, cap strapped per se. And 826 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: the other thing you look at too with these trades 827 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: is the salary implications. But if you trade guys with 828 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: a lot of proraded signing, bonus left. That money gets accelerated, 829 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: and that causes salary cap issues too. So and you 830 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: know we saw that with with the Beckham trade, how 831 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: that affected the cap with money getting accelerating all that stuff. 832 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: So all those things get put into the cauldron when 833 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: you decide whether or not you're gonna make any of 834 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: these trades. Well, and the other part of the equation, 835 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: I agree with everything you said, John, When you go 836 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 1: back to the Snacks trade last year, part of it 837 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: was they wanted to give playing time to some of 838 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: the younger defensive lineman on the team. So he's behind 839 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: that player. So who's on the depth chart? What have 840 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: we seen in practice? Are we ready to allow them 841 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: to spread their wings? So it goes back to the 842 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: collar before Ron who was asking about I believe it 843 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: was Ryan Julian Love. If they start to see something 844 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: in practice, John, and they say, hey, guys like Corey 845 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: Ballantine and Julian Love are at the point where we're 846 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: comfortable out there, Sam Bill healthy to that's another key 847 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: factor here. If we feel as if we're getting our 848 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: depth back, we feel those guys are more than capable 849 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: of being thrown out and they can execute at the 850 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: level we want. You know, then that's something else that 851 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: you consider as to why you want to part ways 852 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: with a player. That, combined with the finances is always 853 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: something that you have to take the consideration. The other 854 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: thing that's interesting, which has become a trend, and you know, 855 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: Genera's Jenkins. Keep in mind, Jenkins does not have an 856 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: expiry contract. Jenkins is still under contract for two thowenty. 857 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: This also goes into what you can get into return John. 858 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of players two more years, by 859 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: the way, but some teams feel they're willing to give 860 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,760 Speaker 1: up draft picks if they know that they're not renting 861 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: the guy for a year. For example, you look at 862 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: a Marii Cooper the trade last year. Okay, the Cowboys 863 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: knew they'd still have him for an entire year before 864 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: they would have to worry about his expiring deal after 865 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: this season. You look at some of the deals that 866 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: have taken place over the last few weeks. Jalen Ramsey, Okay, 867 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: there's another guy who doesn't necessarily have an expiring contract. 868 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: And also the Mohammed Sanu trade, which I think is 869 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: a good example. The Patriots they acquired Mohamed Sanu and 870 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: people are like, well, why are the Patriots giving up 871 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: John the second round pick? Mohamed Sanu is not an 872 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: expiring contract. They still retain his rights for next year. 873 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: So all of that gains value in terms of a 874 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: trade situation. And you also take a look at if 875 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: a guy is on an expiring deal what you get 876 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: in return as opposed to what you might get in 877 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,240 Speaker 1: terms of a compensatory draft pick if he has free agency. 878 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,479 Speaker 1: So that's another thing that you win for Ehoesian too. 879 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: So it's not easy to do this. It's it's there's 880 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts when you're trying to make 881 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: any sorts of trades in the NFL. Jason and New 882 00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: Jersey's on next. Hey Jason, no problem, Jason, what do 883 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: you got for us? Yeah, so I got a couple 884 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: of points, and I want to take the much of 885 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: your time. The first I want to say, um, you know, 886 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't I really truly don't think it's a player's problem. 887 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you why we would agree that. 888 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: You know, let's say, of the guys or rookies, they're 889 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: just getting on the field trying to acclimate, and so 890 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 1: I have to just go have to go with coaching 891 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 1: and and I don't know where a betch is going, 892 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: but you know it's obvious that these guys playing zone. 893 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: Although it works in other places with other veterans, it's 894 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: not working here. Jason, Jason, real quick, real quick. They 895 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: know they played heavy man the first two games and 896 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: got absolutely annihilated. Yes they did. I'll blame that on 897 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: them being rookies. And again, don't get me wrong, but 898 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: you see, we see a very big difference in Baker 899 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: when he was when he when he plays press man coverage, 900 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: he's on his guy, and even yesterday he was. I 901 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: mean he was right on that plight. Yeah, but no 902 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: other he he wasn't. He wasn't impressed man on those 903 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: players though he was an off man. Yes, I get it. 904 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: My point is his desk. At some point, they got 905 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: to make the adjustments and say, okay, wait a minute, 906 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: our our, our, our middle of the field is just 907 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: a target. I mean, everybody just hits that target. And 908 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, it's disappointing to hear wide 909 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: open seventeen times a game. I mean, you guys got 910 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 1: to agree with me. I mean it stuffing. I mean, 911 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm not the most you know knowledgeable in football, and 912 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: and don't get me wrong, I've been a Giant fan 913 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: for over thirty years. But I know there's rhythm to 914 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: the rhyme and I know that you guys have a 915 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: good better grip than I do. I'm saying, just looking 916 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: at it from the outside as a fan. Oh you know, 917 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm just hearing wide open. No, don't trust me to 918 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: get it. Trust me. No, we get it. You get it. 919 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 1: Um yeah. And then the other Then the other thing 920 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: I was gonna say was, you know, go flipping the 921 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: flipping it over to the to the off fence. Now 922 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,399 Speaker 1: they've been I gotta say, they played a great game 923 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: on on Sunday, and there are some things that obviously 924 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: can get cleaned up. But but for the most part, 925 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 1: But again, I think it's coaching. I think I think 926 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: if human would just let the guy, yeah, let him 927 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: call the play. He's running by you. Of course he's 928 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: got the headset on it because it's leasy can jump in. 929 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: But I think because I think that you know, um 930 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: Jones could be doing a little bit more with feed 931 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 1: but he's getting locked into these other plays and it's 932 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: just I think I think it would be a little 933 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: more explosive if if if he did that. You know, again, 934 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,439 Speaker 1: you guys are the gurus, and well, Jason, I think 935 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: you gotta walk a fine line in terms of if 936 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: you want to run the quarterback. We're getting some feedback 937 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: on your right, so we do appreciate the phone call. 938 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: Let you go on that note when you say you 939 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: know you want to see the quarterback run a little 940 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 1: bit more, you want to see them get him out 941 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,879 Speaker 1: of the pocket. You gotta be careful because then you're 942 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: gonna expose your quarterback to some hard hits. And there 943 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: was a play yesterday where Daniel Jones was sliding and 944 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: they called roughing the passer and Daniel Jones on a 945 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: designed run play. What are you gonna supposed to do 946 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: is a defender? You know, if he's not given up, 947 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna go after the quarterback. That's just during the 948 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: head and that's just today's NFL. So I don't want 949 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: to go off on a whole tangent about the rule book, 950 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: but the point is Daniel Jones took a hit on 951 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: that play. How many hits do you want to expose 952 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: your quarterback to like that? How many quarterbacks starters have 953 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: gone down this season, and not because of even those hits. 954 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, running is not the answer to any so 955 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: when you say, you know you want to see more creativity, 956 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's the route to go. Lands. 957 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: No matter who the offensive play caller has been for 958 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,760 Speaker 1: the Giants. As we've been doing the show, I've gotten 959 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: calls complaining about their creativity, every single one. It's every 960 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,399 Speaker 1: single I mean, going back to the days with Kevin 961 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: Gilbride is the offensive coordinator, we were fielding calls. I 962 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: don't think it's been any different no matter what you 963 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: do at O C. So that has carried over, whether 964 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: it be Gilbride, Macado, you name it. That's always been 965 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: a part of the conversation. And the funny thing that 966 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: I find when plays work, everything is like rainbows and lollipops. 967 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: When the play breaks down, then it becomes the inquisition 968 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: as to who should be the play caller, what they 969 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: should have done, And that's football, I understand. But I 970 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: think while it maybe the boring answer, a lot of 971 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: the issues for the Giants this year, I think stem 972 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: from the lack of execution. And I know people just 973 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: don't want to hear that, but there's truth and validity 974 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: behind that. It's just not being in the right spot, 975 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,280 Speaker 1: missing a tackle, not winning your man on man bottles 976 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,439 Speaker 1: in the trenches, not making a pass when it's thrown 977 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: your way a catch. I should say, what does that 978 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,280 Speaker 1: have to do with coaching? I just don't understand. Darius 979 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: Laden was wide open right before the end of the 980 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: first half. He took his eyes off the football, he 981 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: dropped it. That's a scheme issue. On the two conversion, 982 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: he was wide open and Dania Jones students during into 983 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: the grounds. How can I don't It's not as if 984 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,760 Speaker 1: guys are not making players that they are not open, 985 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: So you know, we could point to a variety of 986 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: those examples. I get the frustration. I understand Giants fans 987 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: want to see this thing turned around and they want 988 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: to see it translate to wins. But you've got to 989 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: now start to look at the frustration and take a 990 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: big picture look and understand that for it to just 991 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: be scheme, I don't think you're getting a good grasp 992 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: of what's going wrong game in game out. I think 993 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: a lot of it, once again has to do with 994 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 1: guys just are not making plays consistent. I'll give you. 995 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: I did a quick pro football focus sort here, just 996 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: real quickly. They track how quarterbacks do against certain defenses, right, 997 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,280 Speaker 1: and this is guys, this is not going to be pure. 998 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: This is what I could do in short notice. So 999 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,280 Speaker 1: I tried to take appointing quarterbacks against man versus zone. 1000 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: So against Man this year, giant opposing quarterbacks and this 1001 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,839 Speaker 1: is Cover one, which is one safety deep, Cover zero 1002 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: with no safeties deep, and then man with two safeties deep. 1003 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: So that's generally covers. All your basis with that opposing 1004 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: teams are six completions, which against man defense is very, 1005 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,320 Speaker 1: very high because the whole point to play Man defenses 1006 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: prevent more completions. You might give up bigger plays, but 1007 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,800 Speaker 1: you prevent completions thirteen point four or five yards per catch, 1008 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 1: which is pretty big, extremely high. Seven touchdowns, two interceptions, 1009 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: seventy five sixty six yards. Matthew Stafford in the game 1010 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: yesterday was four of six for fifty seven yards against Man. 1011 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: Just as an example, again Zone this year hundred for one, 1012 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: thirty three, seventy five percent completions. It makes sense again 1013 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: again zone, you're gonna have a higher completion percentage twelve 1014 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,240 Speaker 1: point seven yards per catch, which is a little bit lower. 1015 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: Four touchdowns, four interceptions, You're getting a couple more turnovers 1016 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: and and fewer touchdowns in that situation. So neither one 1017 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: is good. But I every time the Giants seemed to 1018 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: bring pressure and play man lance, it doesn't seem to 1019 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: go well. It just in my opinion, that's what I've seen, 1020 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,280 Speaker 1: and I watched the tape every week, and I think 1021 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: this is what we run into. New York has a pattern. 1022 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: And this is not just the Giants. Okay, that's how 1023 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: it works. This is the order in which fans blame people. 1024 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: They blame the coach, they blame the GM, they blame 1025 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 1: the best player on the team, or in the NFL's case, 1026 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: the most important player on the team, the quarterback, and 1027 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: then they figure the rest out. And here's why there's 1028 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: a psychology behind it. Is it easier to say we 1029 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: need to change this whole roster, or it's easier to 1030 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: say if we change just one guy, everything's gonna be fact. 1031 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,839 Speaker 1: One guy always the solution, right, and it never works 1032 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: that way. You can't get rid of fifty three. The 1033 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: Knicks have been trying to change one guy for twenty years. 1034 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't work. Guys, it's it's, it's, it's it's The 1035 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: easy thing is is is to go after the coaches. 1036 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: I get it, and look, the coaches will tell you 1037 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: the team's two and six. Everyone wants to blame the 1038 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: coaches after sharing this too. They know that. But after 1039 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: the game, the Giants players themselves came out and said, 1040 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: and Jabrol Peppers was one that was emotionally doing it. 1041 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 1: We didn't have it on the air in the radio. 1042 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 1: We missed him. He came out late after we had 1043 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: to wrap up. But the guys, look, the coaches are 1044 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: putting us in a position to make these plays. We're 1045 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 1: in the right schemes. You know, they're watching tape. They're 1046 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: telling us it's these tendencies and they're right, but we're 1047 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: not doing what they're telling us to do. And the baker, 1048 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: not the baker. The whole touchdown was a perfect example. 1049 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: They were in the perfect coverage to stop that play, 1050 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 1: but a player did not execute his responsibilities and they 1051 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,760 Speaker 1: get beat and that's all it takes. Yeah, it's very similar. 1052 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,760 Speaker 1: Once again, not to get off topic, and I understand 1053 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: Giants fans and focused not just their team, but the 1054 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: Falcons are one in seven Julio Jones, you know, came 1055 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,319 Speaker 1: out after one of their most recent games and in 1056 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,439 Speaker 1: front of the entire team, you know, said, everybody's gotta 1057 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 1: look at each other in the mirror right now, and 1058 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: look at themselves in the mirror most important, and understand 1059 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: that the coaches are doing everything in their power to 1060 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 1: put us in the right positions to succeed, and we're 1061 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: just not making plays. And you know, the Falcons are 1062 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: very similar to the Giants in terms of where they 1063 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: are in the standings of the issues they have, and 1064 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: they have an immense amount of talent to on that team, 1065 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: and they have you could argue, more veteran presence than 1066 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: the Giants do, and they're still exactly So once again, 1067 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: is it easy to say, get rid of Dan Quinn 1068 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: and everything's going to once again turn things around. Well, 1069 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: they got rid of Mike Smith, and you could argue 1070 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: there were some issues on that end, and not everything 1071 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 1: is sitting pretty with the Atlanta Falcons. So, you know, 1072 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 1: the more and more you get into the mindset of 1073 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,480 Speaker 1: changing a coach, he or they're all you do is 1074 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,279 Speaker 1: you then create no consistency within your franchise. And I 1075 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,279 Speaker 1: brought this up on the postgame show, I'll rehash it 1076 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: for those of you may not hurt it. There's a 1077 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: reason why franchises who constantly change things, whether it be 1078 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 1: members of the coaching staff, the head coach, and they 1079 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 1: have trouble winning consistently making the playoffs is because they 1080 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: don't preach patients. And the one thing that the Giants 1081 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,919 Speaker 1: have done, whether you like the results or not, they 1082 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 1: don't make changes for the sake of making changes. And 1083 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: I always say that's the right way to go as 1084 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,240 Speaker 1: opposed to being a revolving door where well, it doesn't 1085 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,040 Speaker 1: work immediately for us, so now we're gonna go in 1086 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,759 Speaker 1: a different direction. It just that does not help your 1087 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,799 Speaker 1: franchise in the long run. Five one, three will take 1088 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 1: these four more calls, then we'll say goodbye, um and 1089 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,919 Speaker 1: of course we'll be back with you tomorrow Big Blue 1090 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,919 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live, Bruce and Albody's up next day. Bruce, Hi, guys, 1091 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,319 Speaker 1: I'm one of those frustrated Giants fans. But now that 1092 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: you've explained they just can't play football, I feel, Bruce, 1093 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: that that that that that's not quite what we said. 1094 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: That I understand what you're saying. Congratulations, Bruce, you have 1095 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 1: the line of the shot. Yes, go ahead. We've got 1096 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,240 Speaker 1: a guy. He's probably the littlest guy in the defense, 1097 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,879 Speaker 1: and he's the hardest hitt and best tackler on the team, 1098 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, Bruce on Perce. I'm happy you said that. 1099 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: By the way, there's a lot of people like to 1100 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: take shots of Grant Haley, and yeah, he gives up 1101 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: some catches, which, by the way, covering Dannie Amn Dola 1102 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 1: one on one is no easy thing for anybody. That 1103 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 1: dude tackles as good as anybody on that defense. And 1104 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 1: I'm happy you brought that up. Grant Haley also had 1105 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 1: a sack. Yes their day. Let's again. Last week they 1106 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 1: ran two sweeps to his side and he had a 1107 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 1: thousand pounds of meat coming at him. And I neither 1108 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 1: play did he make the tackle, but he took on 1109 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: too offensive lineman. He's I think he's eighty five pounds. 1110 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 1: Blew up both of those plays. I don't know who 1111 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: actually made the tackle, but I ran it back and 1112 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,399 Speaker 1: I said, I said, my wife said, this is how 1113 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: you went football, right At least little guy take this 1114 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 1: whole pile on and he took them all down. It 1115 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: was it was like a bowling ball. He and he 1116 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: had seven tackles on the day. Now, I don't know 1117 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 1: his coverage. He's got a tough job, like you said, 1118 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: covering Amadella's road road. But the other thing is, this 1119 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: is something I don't understand. And you got into it 1120 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: with the zone versus man and man. But they did 1121 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,759 Speaker 1: it last week, they did it this week. First third down, 1122 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: it's like third and four, third and five. I look in, uh, 1123 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,400 Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker, it's about five yards off the receiver. Then 1124 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,720 Speaker 1: he dropped back another five yards. On a third and four, 1125 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: he's ten yards off the receiver. I can get a 1126 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,360 Speaker 1: first down before I gotta do is run five yards 1127 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,200 Speaker 1: and turn around. The quarterbacks sees that. Yeah, honestly, I 1128 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: would have to look at look at the specific play. 1129 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: But if your point is that it's amazing, they do 1130 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,400 Speaker 1: it all the time. It will be third in in 1131 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, three, third and four, enter ten yards off 1132 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,240 Speaker 1: the receiver. I'd say, you know, that's just insane. You're 1133 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 1: just giving it to him. You know, It's funny you 1134 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: mentioned that because actually we we talked to Daniel Jeremiah 1135 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,919 Speaker 1: on our other podcast, The Giants Huddle, a couple weeks 1136 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,799 Speaker 1: ago and he actually made the point, and he was 1137 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,400 Speaker 1: one of the first Maybe I heard it from one 1138 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,919 Speaker 1: of the draft analysts. He actually thinks that Baker long 1139 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,800 Speaker 1: term is gonna be a much better off man player 1140 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,399 Speaker 1: than than bump than than a bump and run type 1141 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 1: press man guy. He's not sure he has the the 1142 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: physical quicks to stay what guys and press man. So 1143 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,800 Speaker 1: I think that's something that bears watching. How Baker develops 1144 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 1: as a press guy as opposed to an off guy. 1145 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,760 Speaker 1: I think that will be a big part of his development. 1146 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,359 Speaker 1: We've seen better things from him, But you know, we look, 1147 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,799 Speaker 1: we're talking of the year, right rookie corners. You're gonna 1148 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: have mistakes here there. You hope they don't cost you. 1149 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,879 Speaker 1: We see some good plays for him that helped the team, 1150 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: and we'll he some bad plays that have heard him criticized. 1151 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I don't know when it's when it's 1152 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,360 Speaker 1: third and three, how do you play off? How you 1153 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,600 Speaker 1: ten yards down the field when it's third and three. 1154 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,359 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. Well, once again, it goes 1155 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: back to I don't know what they're telling him or 1156 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 1: what part of the defense he's responsible for. It's hard 1157 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 1: to know, Bruce, and I'm not doubting what you're seeing. 1158 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,239 Speaker 1: I did remember seeing a number of plays yesterday to 1159 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: where they were playing off of the guys. I don't 1160 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: know if it's the exact play that you're referring to, 1161 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 1: but without knowing what the defensive scheme is calling for 1162 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: him to do or what his assignment is, thank you, 1163 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to comment under those circumstances as to why 1164 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 1: he was in that spot in that circumstance. You know, 1165 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,240 Speaker 1: sometimes it's what they see on film out of the player, 1166 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,200 Speaker 1: and they may be a little bit concerned about assertain 1167 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,839 Speaker 1: look for that wide receiver and they feel the right 1168 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 1: game plan is to play a little bit off of him. 1169 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,920 Speaker 1: I always met up this guy's name. I always say 1170 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: Ray and then he corrects me, but I don't remember 1171 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: what he corrects me too, So I'm gonna say it's 1172 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 1: Trey in Philadelphia. Do I have that right? Right? Yeah? 1173 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,000 Speaker 1: I remember? Right there? We go perfect, what's up? Um? 1174 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,759 Speaker 1: A couple of questions. I know you guys gotta go, 1175 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: I mean talk about no, go ahead, go ahead, you're fine? Oh, 1176 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: you guys talk about the lack of execution, and they say, 1177 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 1: like we talked about this every law host. So could 1178 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 1: that be a personnel problem. I mean, maybe we should 1179 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 1: shake things up in that that defense a little bit, 1180 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,520 Speaker 1: not try look little Tray, you're hit it. I mean, look, 1181 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,759 Speaker 1: execution is about how well the players play, and I 1182 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,960 Speaker 1: think we should kind of reverse back to our conversation before. 1183 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,360 Speaker 1: And that's what they've gotta have been trying to do 1184 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 1: over the last two years and rebuilding this roster is 1185 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,560 Speaker 1: getting the right guys in here to execute properly. But 1186 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,200 Speaker 1: the problem is that when you play so many and 1187 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,359 Speaker 1: the coaches don't like to use this excuse, but we're 1188 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,880 Speaker 1: outside observers, we can say it. When you're playing so 1189 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,719 Speaker 1: many young guys, this is what you get. You get mistakes. 1190 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,840 Speaker 1: That's why, Look, Trey, if you look at the teams 1191 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,359 Speaker 1: that go deep in the playoffs, you know what they 1192 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,840 Speaker 1: have in common. They don't play a lot of young players. 1193 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,279 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It says. Unfortunately, it's just 1194 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 1: the way it goes because most of the young players 1195 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,840 Speaker 1: are depth. They're not necessarily started to Look at the 1196 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,319 Speaker 1: Andre Dillard wasnt even gonna play this US the first 1197 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: round pick because they have that luxury. But the Giants 1198 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,680 Speaker 1: are not necessarily in the same luxurious positions. So you know, 1199 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 1: when you have rookies, you're gonna get flashes Trey, and 1200 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,959 Speaker 1: then you're gonna get down games, which we've already seen 1201 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,640 Speaker 1: with a lot of these rookies. Or he'll look great 1202 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: for one quarter, that will look bad. It'll be up 1203 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 1: and down, it will be inconsistent. Dr jackal Mr. Hyde. 1204 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 1: So I think that the coaching staff understands that going 1205 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,160 Speaker 1: in it doesn't mean though, tray to your point, that 1206 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,920 Speaker 1: it's acceptable. No actor coaches are then leaving the games 1207 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,720 Speaker 1: and saying, you know what, we got a young roster. 1208 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,760 Speaker 1: It is what it is. You know, they're still coaching 1209 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: these guys up, they're still correcting the film. But I 1210 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,920 Speaker 1: think if you look at it once again from a 1211 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,719 Speaker 1: big picture perspective, this shouldn't be a stunning development that 1212 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 1: young players are having their ups downs in year one 1213 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,120 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Alright, two more, two more questions, guys. Um. 1214 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,800 Speaker 1: The next one is, um, I noticed the trade is 1215 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,360 Speaker 1: not uh, you know, uh permanent or well not official, 1216 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,239 Speaker 1: but seem like we have a lot of interior guys already. 1217 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 1: So who will So I mean he's going to act 1218 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,799 Speaker 1: eventually start, so who places what he takes? If the 1219 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: trade is you know, Trey, you ask a really good question, Olsen. 1220 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 1: Pierre gets a number of snaps each game. I imagine 1221 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,520 Speaker 1: that would be number one on the list. How the 1222 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,920 Speaker 1: rest of the ones would be split up if this 1223 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,600 Speaker 1: thing could would go down at some point, I honestly 1224 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,400 Speaker 1: don't know. I look forward to Coach Hermer's Thursday press 1225 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,479 Speaker 1: conference if this thing ever does officially happen, and maybe 1226 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: he'll be able to give us more of inside into that. 1227 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a really good question, Lens that I 1228 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,640 Speaker 1: had had an affair conversation about the same thing, and 1229 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 1: I think it's a real good question. I don't have 1230 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,239 Speaker 1: a good answer for you right now. The only thing 1231 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,759 Speaker 1: that I will throw out trade. Yeah, before one of 1232 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,400 Speaker 1: the point, I just wanted to piggyback off of what 1233 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,880 Speaker 1: you said. There has been a trend to cross the NFL, 1234 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,480 Speaker 1: especially I always at the Eagles, where you know they 1235 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 1: rotate defensive personnel to make sure they're fresh in the 1236 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,400 Speaker 1: fourth quarter. And you go back to remember when Spaggs 1237 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,719 Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator. He would play the guys of 1238 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,479 Speaker 1: the downs John And why did he do that? Because 1239 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,160 Speaker 1: he couldn't afford to bring them off the field, JP, 1240 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 1: p Olivier Vernon and I think more and more teams 1241 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: are saying to themselves, we don't want to put ourselves 1242 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,440 Speaker 1: in that position. So I don't know if it's necessarily 1243 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,960 Speaker 1: gonna take away snaps. It may just decrease everybody across 1244 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 1: the board a point if they want to make sure 1245 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 1: that guys are fresh in the fourth quarter. Okay, my 1246 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 1: last question, and I take it off the air. Um, 1247 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 1: in the off season, besides line backup position, what do 1248 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,520 Speaker 1: you guys want to see? Um, what would you like 1249 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:44,000 Speaker 1: to see? Uh? Far as the defense? Um, what would 1250 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,640 Speaker 1: you like that position to be filled? Far as in 1251 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,080 Speaker 1: the offseason? And thanks for taking my call, God, Um, 1252 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,040 Speaker 1: I think linebackers won he said that already. Uh, you 1253 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,600 Speaker 1: want to try to bring another safety depending on where 1254 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 1: Julian Love is. If they see him as a corner 1255 00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 1: of safety, if they see him as a safety, then 1256 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,520 Speaker 1: maybe not. But if you seem as a corner than 1257 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 1: maybe a safety spot. Um. You can't have enough cornerbacks 1258 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: and pass rusher ill you need pass rushers, guys, and 1259 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,760 Speaker 1: Marcus Scholan has been good, but you know he's not 1260 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,000 Speaker 1: Clil Mack, which is fine. You don't expect to clil Mack, 1261 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 1: but he's you know, he could be your secondary guy, 1262 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,720 Speaker 1: he's not your primary guy. So I think you always 1263 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,920 Speaker 1: try to find more pass rush, and I think that 1264 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,040 Speaker 1: the Giants. It's funny like the Giants sack numbers lands 1265 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,680 Speaker 1: I think are a lot better than we thought they 1266 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,040 Speaker 1: were going to be at this point of the year. 1267 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,360 Speaker 1: But I still don't think the pass rush has been 1268 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:38,440 Speaker 1: impactful enough consistently throughout games. Like Staffer got sacked twice yesterday, 1269 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,960 Speaker 1: he got back twice. Did you feel like he was 1270 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,680 Speaker 1: under pressure at all in that game? No, I did not. 1271 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 1: I think that they're consistent in terms of he was 1272 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,720 Speaker 1: sacked actually four times. It didn't feel that. It didn't 1273 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 1: feel like that. No, that's the point because now that 1274 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 1: they think about it, we talked about Grant Hanley had 1275 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,280 Speaker 1: a sack, so a couple of guys picked up sacks. 1276 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,160 Speaker 1: Golden had two quarterback hits. He did not have had 1277 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,520 Speaker 1: one sack and two quarterback kids. Grant Haley at a 1278 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 1: sack as image of Lorenzo Carter at his sack, Dalvin 1279 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,400 Speaker 1: Tomlinson at his sack. But the thing is they come 1280 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 1: on separate drives. For example, Trey Flowers back to back sacks, 1281 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones right back to back sacks. When you think 1282 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,160 Speaker 1: about the opposition that they've gone up against, those are 1283 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,480 Speaker 1: impactful plays where you're seeing it consecutively. You're seeing the 1284 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 1: quarterback you have to get rid of the football. It 1285 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 1: leads to a turnover. We're seeing a sack in one possession, 1286 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,320 Speaker 1: then a little bit later on in the game we're 1287 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,080 Speaker 1: seeing another sack and maybe gives it a negative play, 1288 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,760 Speaker 1: but then nothing more to it. And like, for example, 1289 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,320 Speaker 1: the Carter sackles for minus two yards, it's not like 1290 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,400 Speaker 1: these are you know, losses and you get minus eight 1291 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,200 Speaker 1: and he gets sacked in two seconds. A lot of 1292 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,920 Speaker 1: it's are at the quarterback holds the ball a little bit, 1293 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,400 Speaker 1: moves around a little bit, then he gets it and 1294 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 1: he goes down. So I would still focus on pass rush. 1295 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,000 Speaker 1: And look, you always need more cover guys the way 1296 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,400 Speaker 1: the second there has played this year. If you come 1297 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 1: in and say that you know you don't need more 1298 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,160 Speaker 1: cover guys, you always need more cover guys. You just 1299 00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,720 Speaker 1: do two or one four or five one three will 1300 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,160 Speaker 1: knock out these two more calls before we say goodbye 1301 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,720 Speaker 1: and go to Nick and New Jersey who was up next? 1302 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey Nick, Hey guys. Um, Basically, I want to tell 1303 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,640 Speaker 1: you this, Okay, this, I don't I don't want to 1304 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,160 Speaker 1: hear about rookies and everything and new players on the field, 1305 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,280 Speaker 1: because this team has been consistently losing since two thousand 1306 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 1: and twelves, okay, except for that one year we went 1307 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,560 Speaker 1: to the playoffs with Macadone and the everybody went to Miami, okay, 1308 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,240 Speaker 1: and dropped touchdown passes, all right, So I don't want 1309 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 1: to I don't want to hear about rookies on the steel, okay, 1310 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,919 Speaker 1: because this team was one one game, one game out 1311 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: of first place when we played Minnesota. One game we 1312 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:41,720 Speaker 1: played Dougs. We've laid duds every single week since then, okay, 1313 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's unacceptable, it's ridiculous. This team is horrible. 1314 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,920 Speaker 1: I hate him. I can't stand watching them. You know, 1315 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm done with them. I'm done with them. And the 1316 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,200 Speaker 1: only the only person I feel sorry for his John America's. 1317 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: He feels like I feel today, all right to take 1318 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,320 Speaker 1: sucks by Okay, thank you for the inside dick, Well, 1319 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,560 Speaker 1: despite your opinion, we appreciate just so tuning into the show, 1320 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,520 Speaker 1: thank you for that, can't stand them, but still wants 1321 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:12,120 Speaker 1: to hear a conversation a daily basis, all jokes aside. Guys, 1322 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,960 Speaker 1: we get it. I mean, we sit here and take 1323 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 1: calls every day, and we've been doing it since two 1324 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,120 Speaker 1: thousand and twelve. No one knows better than we do 1325 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,640 Speaker 1: that the team hasn't won a lot of games. Trust me, 1326 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 1: we hear about it every day. We know, and that 1327 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,720 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the same problems have been in effect 1328 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 1: since two thousand and twelve. Every loss is different, every 1329 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,680 Speaker 1: year is different, every team is different. And the person 1330 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,120 Speaker 1: I think nick probably thinks that we're using youth as 1331 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,880 Speaker 1: an excuse. That's not what we're trying to do here. 1332 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,800 Speaker 1: Folks were analyzing why these things are happening. There's no 1333 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,600 Speaker 1: losing is okay because that's not what we're doing. We're 1334 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,880 Speaker 1: explaining why. It doesn't make it okay. It doesn't mean 1335 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,080 Speaker 1: the coaches are accepting it. It doesn't mean that John 1336 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,000 Speaker 1: Marrow's accepting it. Doesn't mean that the general managers accepting it. 1337 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't. But you break down a team, you break 1338 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,800 Speaker 1: down personnel, you break down a game, you break down 1339 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: what happens over the course of the season, and you 1340 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,360 Speaker 1: try to figure out the why. That's all we're trying 1341 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,720 Speaker 1: to do is figure out the why and the how, 1342 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 1: And that's what we're trying to do here. We're not 1343 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 1: trying to make excuses for anything or for anybody. Yeah, 1344 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,920 Speaker 1: and as far as his comment about you know, they 1345 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 1: were a game behind first place, that's that's we're talking 1346 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,160 Speaker 1: about a small sample size. So I don't really yeah, 1347 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,000 Speaker 1: take much of anything away from that comment. And the 1348 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,600 Speaker 1: other thing is not to, you know, have a conversation 1349 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,200 Speaker 1: and go back to where we were talking about how 1350 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,439 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. In my opinion, I just said 1351 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,320 Speaker 1: constantly said, there's no layups in the National Football League. 1352 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,960 Speaker 1: Can we please stop having the over analyzation John of 1353 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,240 Speaker 1: the schedule because what has happened over the last two 1354 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,000 Speaker 1: weeks is they lost to the Cardinals and the Lions, 1355 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,440 Speaker 1: And how many calls did we feel about? The schedule 1356 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,440 Speaker 1: is opening up and it's going to get much easier 1357 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,120 Speaker 1: for the Giants. Stop overlooking opponents in the National Football 1358 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,000 Speaker 1: League just because they don't have a lot of fanto 1359 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,120 Speaker 1: see names on your fantasy roster. I agree with you, 1360 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,920 Speaker 1: and I just I'm tired of having this conversation. Winning 1361 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,000 Speaker 1: in New England's a lot harder than winning at home 1362 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,280 Speaker 1: against the cardine I will give you that, but I 1363 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,880 Speaker 1: just I'm tired of you look at a group of 1364 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,160 Speaker 1: personnel and you see that you know, maybe they struggled 1365 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,479 Speaker 1: the previous week. And remember what do we talk about? 1366 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,880 Speaker 1: The NFL is all about matchups. Just because one team 1367 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,000 Speaker 1: performed one way against another opponent doesn't mean it's going 1368 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,919 Speaker 1: to duplicate it the following week. It just you can't 1369 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,120 Speaker 1: keep looking at, well this team statistically and struggled. Therefore 1370 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,479 Speaker 1: the Giants are just walk over them and it should 1371 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,640 Speaker 1: be a layup. That's just not how the NFL works well, 1372 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,560 Speaker 1: And I think the more and I think you're you're 1373 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,040 Speaker 1: on the right track here, especially in the fact that 1374 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,760 Speaker 1: the Giants are not in a position where they cannot 1375 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,680 Speaker 1: play one of their better games and still win. You know, 1376 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,400 Speaker 1: this isn't the two thousand and eight season where you 1377 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,680 Speaker 1: have all these you know, super talented veterans dominating games. 1378 01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,880 Speaker 1: Where you know, have you come in one week and 1379 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 1: you're playing you know, the Bucks at home and you 1380 01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,720 Speaker 1: play your seat plus game, you're good enough to win Still, 1381 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,520 Speaker 1: that's not where the Giants are right now. If the 1382 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,280 Speaker 1: Giants want to win against any pretty much any team 1383 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,840 Speaker 1: in the league, or at least the teams in the league, 1384 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:11,440 Speaker 1: they have to come and play there. If you know, 1385 01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,320 Speaker 1: b plus to a game, they would say, plus more 1386 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 1: mistake free football they have, they have to play a 1387 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,920 Speaker 1: really good game. That's just where we are. That's where 1388 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 1: the team is right now. So yeah, might some games 1389 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,360 Speaker 1: be a little bit easier than others based on location, 1390 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,080 Speaker 1: opponent and things like that. Sure, but that doesn't mean 1391 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,480 Speaker 1: that anything is sure to a victory. That's not how 1392 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,920 Speaker 1: the league works, especially not when you're in a situation 1393 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,040 Speaker 1: where the Giants are in terms of where they are 1394 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,240 Speaker 1: in the process of their rebuild. Absolutely right, your sents, 1395 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean that's what I was alluding to. You gotta 1396 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,200 Speaker 1: play well. Two five on three women Pottstown will wrap 1397 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:54,360 Speaker 1: us up today, Hey William, Hey pots Damn. Yeah, we're 1398 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,880 Speaker 1: a way up here, way up north. I think I've 1399 01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,400 Speaker 1: been watching the Giants since my dad used to take 1400 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:06,000 Speaker 1: me to the poll grounds. It's done that long. Yeah, yeah, 1401 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,680 Speaker 1: I used to go to the poll ground. He used 1402 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,520 Speaker 1: to tell me. The back of a pickup truck. And 1403 01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:18,720 Speaker 1: the guy sat up front and lose. Yeah, I was there, 1404 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,040 Speaker 1: Razaka and everybody else like that, you know, bizarre check 1405 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,840 Speaker 1: and all that crap. I want to know what rookie 1406 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,560 Speaker 1: quarterback steps and I mean they're not playing. They're not 1407 01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,680 Speaker 1: playing Dwayne Haskins, you know they're not. I mean, Kyle 1408 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,760 Speaker 1: Murray's playing, and but he's he's got good tootlage. What 1409 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,840 Speaker 1: rookie quarterback comes in and makes a phene m or 1410 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, do we just? I mean I think they're 1411 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,760 Speaker 1: I almost worried they're destroying Daniel because he's out there. 1412 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,840 Speaker 1: He's seeing these blitzes. He's seeing these rushes. Sherman's give him. 1413 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,880 Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna run a pass on fourth and 1414 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,720 Speaker 1: sixth when everybody's coming at you, you know, and uh, 1415 01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,480 Speaker 1: what about Eli? I mean he's got experience, He's a leader. 1416 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:04,120 Speaker 1: You know. Everybody says, yeah Daniel Jones is another uh Eli, 1417 01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:08,200 Speaker 1: Well well good good, But he doesn't have Eli's experience. 1418 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: And on those plays, what choices he's making. I mean, 1419 01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,280 Speaker 1: I know he went to uh, I know he went 1420 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,280 Speaker 1: to the New Rookie slate and twice, but that's because 1421 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 1: they trained together. You know what I mean, I just 1422 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,600 Speaker 1: I just think they're handling him all wrong. I mean, 1423 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,680 Speaker 1: look what happened at David Carr in Houston. He got killed, right, 1424 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, But it's not that same situation. Will you, William, 1425 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,040 Speaker 1: I think you're really going David Carr was sacked over 1426 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,480 Speaker 1: seventy times that season. Okay, Daniel Jones is not on 1427 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,840 Speaker 1: track to be sacked seventy times. The offensive line is 1428 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 1: not nearly as bad as the Texans, not even what 1429 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,520 Speaker 1: it was with the Giants or three years ago. And 1430 01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,160 Speaker 1: the whole point of the call or listen. I was 1431 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,960 Speaker 1: of the mind still last year for that matter, and 1432 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm always of the mindset it never hurts for a 1433 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,400 Speaker 1: quarterback to sit and observe. And I still stand by 1434 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,280 Speaker 1: that regardless of the decision that the Giants made to 1435 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,760 Speaker 1: make the change after two weeks, I have not changed 1436 01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,000 Speaker 1: my thought process. I still think that helps a quarterback 1437 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,640 Speaker 1: in the long run. John that by the way, Dave 1438 01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,000 Speaker 1: Gentleman and Pat Shermer said that themselves in the off season. 1439 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,320 Speaker 1: So with that being said, when you then call up 1440 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,680 Speaker 1: and you say, well, you know, Eli, Manny has more 1441 01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,760 Speaker 1: experience than Daniel Jones, this the whole point is to 1442 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,200 Speaker 1: help Daniel Jones. In the long run, John to get 1443 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,760 Speaker 1: experience for him to be facing these situations where he 1444 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,440 Speaker 1: has the pressure and he's got to decide where to 1445 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,680 Speaker 1: go with the foot. The point is, year four of 1446 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,320 Speaker 1: his career, he's going to be able to handle these 1447 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,720 Speaker 1: things better because he was exposed to it early in 1448 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,360 Speaker 1: his career. Try here too. Yeah, well, I'm just going down. 1449 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, let's say next year, right, all 1450 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,640 Speaker 1: these young guys get a little bit older, maybe you 1451 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,040 Speaker 1: sign a couple of free agents, and your talents at 1452 01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,920 Speaker 1: the point we're like, oh you know what, maybe well 1453 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,560 Speaker 1: you could actually make a playoff run. Here. Oh, but 1454 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,480 Speaker 1: we're playing a quarterback that hasn't started an NFL game yet, 1455 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,880 Speaker 1: And then that sabotages the whole operation right by going 1456 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,400 Speaker 1: through these growing pains. Now, they're gonna happen at some point. 1457 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,040 Speaker 1: Not everyone's Patrick Mahomes. Look at Baker Mayfield in the 1458 01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:02,400 Speaker 1: second year. Not great, not great. The entire team has 1459 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,320 Speaker 1: taken a season. You're taking the hits now, so that 1460 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,400 Speaker 1: next year, in the year after that, he's better. And 1461 01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,600 Speaker 1: we could sit here and analyze what evil I've done? 1462 01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,320 Speaker 1: This better well, I've done that better. The dives been cast, guys. 1463 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it is what it is at this point. 1464 01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,360 Speaker 1: Pat Shermer was asked this question at his press conference. 1465 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,720 Speaker 1: I think before I think it was actually before this 1466 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,880 Speaker 1: game on Wednesday or Monday after that. It was it 1467 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,920 Speaker 1: was the Monday after the Cardinals game, right, And he said, no, guys, 1468 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,240 Speaker 1: Daniels our starter. So this is the path that they 1469 01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,479 Speaker 1: believe will best help the franchise and Daniel in the future. 1470 01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,439 Speaker 1: This is the path they've chosen, and Jones has played 1471 01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,640 Speaker 1: above expectations. Obviously. The turnovers are a huge issue. He 1472 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,160 Speaker 1: has to clean up. You know, he lost the turnover 1473 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,240 Speaker 1: for the touchdown in this game. He fumbled another time 1474 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,320 Speaker 1: on top of that, but he managed to cover, still fumbled, 1475 01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,760 Speaker 1: you know what that right, So there are things he 1476 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,840 Speaker 1: has to fix. They were wild players. You're like, oh 1477 01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,320 Speaker 1: my god, it looks great. Then there are players like, 1478 01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,559 Speaker 1: oh my god, what is he doing? Guess what. That's 1479 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,600 Speaker 1: what you get with rookie quarterbacks. And I can't and 1480 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,880 Speaker 1: I saw like a freaking broken record. I'm probably driving 1481 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,479 Speaker 1: you guys nuts by using that statement, but that's what 1482 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,040 Speaker 1: it is. That's just what it is. But I think 1483 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,960 Speaker 1: he's shown in the flashes where you're like, you know what, 1484 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,200 Speaker 1: kid has a chance, And I think the kid has 1485 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,799 Speaker 1: a chance. What is he going to become? Nobody knows, 1486 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,040 Speaker 1: but I think he has the personality, mentality, smarts and 1487 01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,320 Speaker 1: physical skill to do it. Now we'll see if he can't. Yeah, 1488 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,840 Speaker 1: And as far as the environment is concerned, there's a 1489 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,000 Speaker 1: fine environment for him to learn. He's got talent around him. 1490 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,559 Speaker 1: He's got Sae Kwon Barkley back. Now, the offensive line 1491 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,800 Speaker 1: is nowhere near that Texans comparison that the last caller 1492 01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,800 Speaker 1: put out there, so it app Golden Tape. Well, he's 1493 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,960 Speaker 1: been very good. Well And first of all, as far 1494 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,160 Speaker 1: as you know, the coler brought up, well, the reason 1495 01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,559 Speaker 1: why Sladen makes those plases because Daniel was working with 1496 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,720 Speaker 1: him going back to rookie minicamp. Well, first of all, 1497 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,040 Speaker 1: he's with Evan Ingram, he's with Golden Tate, he's with 1498 01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,799 Speaker 1: a lot of the ones. I know he was briefly 1499 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,559 Speaker 1: with Golden Tainting that Patriots preseason game, right John, But 1500 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't as if Golden Tainting Daniel Jones were running 1501 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,839 Speaker 1: reps all summer long together. You know, he's now working 1502 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,280 Speaker 1: with a number of people that he didn't work with 1503 01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,160 Speaker 1: as much as he did with Darius. Tate's been his 1504 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,200 Speaker 1: go to receiver, So I don't get the point. I 1505 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,519 Speaker 1: completely disagree that the whole point of why Slayton is 1506 01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,960 Speaker 1: succeeding is simply because he's had more reps with them 1507 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,320 Speaker 1: than How do you explain what Golden Tats doing consistently 1508 01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,479 Speaker 1: over the last few weeks. I've been on the same point. 1509 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,040 Speaker 1: Good stuff. Absolutely, We'll be back with you tomorrow with 1510 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,200 Speaker 1: another episode of Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Corps. 1511 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,080 Speaker 1: Light entered win the ultimate v I P game they 1512 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,120 Speaker 1: experienced courtesy of course Light text v I P to 1513 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,960 Speaker 1: nine O four six four for more details. Four Lance Medal. 1514 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm John Schmilk. We'll talk the Knicks victory over the 1515 01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,559 Speaker 1: Bulls tomorrow. I'll make sure you're there for the Bulls 1516 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,080 Speaker 1: victory over there, which which is which is sadly much 1517 01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,000 Speaker 1: more likely. But as long as you're correct, I know 1518 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,439 Speaker 1: no one known is a more self award Knicks fan 1519 01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:50,960 Speaker 1: than I am, and as you guys know, Lens in 1520 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,320 Speaker 1: the bull fan. So I'm just geiveting a hard time. 1521 01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,719 Speaker 1: We'll see tomorrow how Big Blue kickoff live at one thirty. 1522 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:55,320 Speaker 1: I have a good one.