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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm your guest

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and this is episode number four thirty four.

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Speaker 1: Today on the show, we've got outdoor writer and archery

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Speaker 1: nut Jason Bosserman, and we're going to dive deep into

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Speaker 1: what he considers the perfect white tail bow set up. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought

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Speaker 1: to you by First Light. I am your guest host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Mark is off somewhere today and he just

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Speaker 1: he sent me a text and said he's got a

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Speaker 1: new saddle hunting strategy where he wants to be more

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Speaker 1: limber and more flexible, and so he's down at a

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Speaker 1: hot yoga slash ballet retreat. I guess he said something

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Speaker 1: like that. So he's gonna be a monster in the

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Speaker 1: uh the saddle this fall. I guess that's his plan.

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Speaker 1: So you've got me this week. And since we're kind

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Speaker 1: of in the heart of the summer and really thinking

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Speaker 1: a lot about shooting and gear and and summertime scouting,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have Jason Bosserman on. Jason is a

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Speaker 1: outdoor writer. He's a podcast host. He is one of

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Speaker 1: the people I know who's set up probably more bows

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Speaker 1: than just about anyone else out there. Really really a

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Speaker 1: gear Junkie's a Western guy who has fallen in love

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Speaker 1: with white tail hunting. So he takes his archery tackle seriously.

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Speaker 1: And so I want to do just a total bow breakdown.

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Speaker 1: Why do you do this? Why do you do that?

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Speaker 1: What's your white tail set up look like? And we

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Speaker 1: really get into the weeds and a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: This is a kind of a gear centric podcast, but

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Speaker 1: it also ties in summer shooting practice, how you should

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Speaker 1: how you should address those things, and how it applies

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Speaker 1: to being a better shot in the white tail. It's

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Speaker 1: really interesting podcast. Jason is an awesome guest. I think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna love it. Jase Michael, how are you, buddy?

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Speaker 1: I am well, Mr Peterson, how are you doing this

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Speaker 1: this wonderful morning? I'm great. I'm drinking coffee out of

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Speaker 1: a frozen mug, uh, not not like a physically frozen mug,

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Speaker 1: like a Disney frozen mug, and it's delicious. And I

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Speaker 1: just work some dogs and now I want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about some bow hunting gear. First question though,

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Speaker 1: So it's about degrees here. So is it like two

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Speaker 1: d where you live? We just got Yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: went outside and checked. I let the dogs out, well,

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Speaker 1: and or let the dogs out. And you don't have

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Speaker 1: to lie, dude. I know you're drinking out of Lila

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Speaker 1: sippy cup frozen Disney. You're a Disney guy. See oh. Man, So,

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Speaker 1: so is it super super super hot out there or not?

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Speaker 1: It is super hot, we but we weren't. Man. We

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Speaker 1: have had more rain in the last month than we've

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Speaker 1: probably gotten in the last two years combined, I'd say

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Speaker 1: over the last month and a half. So now it

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Speaker 1: is though we we hit a hundred yesterday, We're going

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Speaker 1: to hit a hundred and one today, and then we're

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Speaker 1: kind of going to get into that hot dry spell

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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll catch our monsoon season at the end of July.

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Speaker 1: Because everything here right now is you'd actually come here

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Speaker 1: super green, the prairie grass is up to your calf.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the river bottoms are gorgeous, The fields look good,

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Speaker 1: So it's it's it's a pretty time to to live

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Speaker 1: here right now, but it will be short lived. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it should be good antelope hunting though for you this

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about white tail gear. But I

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Speaker 1: had a thought earlier, earlier today. I was when I

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Speaker 1: was working the dogs. You drew a sheep tag this year.

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Speaker 1: I did nineteen years of applying and I drew a

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Speaker 1: sheep tag. So I was thinking, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll bet I bet Jason isn't

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Speaker 1: So you you live in arguably the flattest place in

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Speaker 1: I've actually made a few trips just to the canyon

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Speaker 1: But how much how much added pressure do you feel,

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Speaker 1: to just not totally shank a shot on a sheep? Well,

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Speaker 1: and I'm pissed that you put it out there in

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Speaker 1: the universe. Thanks dick Um. There's no way you're going

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Speaker 1: I you know, I a guy I know in Gunnison.

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Speaker 1: drew this tag. His name is Connor Clark. He his

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Speaker 1: just started to break down, and tell I experienced a

429
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 1: shoulder injury to the point where I was wondering if

430
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 1: I was going to be able to hunt that fall,

431
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: or if I was going to have to go to

432
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 1: a crossbow or something like that, because I simply couldn't.

433
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't. I couldn't pull back thirty pounds UM.

434
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: And so for me, that was when that was for

435
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: me when draw weights became very critical. I did hardly

436
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: paid attention to it. I shot twenty nine inch draw length,

437
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: and I shot seventy pounds. And if that bow arrived

438
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: from the manufacturer and I clipped on my digital scale

439
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: and it was actually seventy three or seventy four pounds,

440
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 1: that's where that bow stayed. UM. Because a lot of

441
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: manufacturers will tell you that a bow will perform at

442
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: its absolute peak, at its peak draw weight. So that

443
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 1: that was something that I always had in the back

444
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: of my mind. But after years of testing and tinkering

445
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 1: withdraw weight and the advancements that have been made in

446
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: bow design um from the camps to the riser to

447
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: everything else, I mean, I can I can drop my bow.

448
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: I can drop my seventy pound bow down to right

449
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: at sixty or just north of sixty, and I can

450
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: go through my paper tuning, walk back tuning, broadhead tuning

451
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: process and I've noticed very little difference in terms of

452
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 1: how that well that boat performs. So as soon as

453
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 1: I got that out of my head um and and

454
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: just focused on taking care of myself and setting up

455
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: bows appropriately for for the animal I'm hunting for the

456
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: weather conditions that I'm gonna be finding myself, into the

457
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: clothing that I'm gonna be wearing, and realizing that putting

458
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: that arrow on the mark, putting that arrow in the

459
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,959
Speaker 1: boiler room is the most important thing. And whether I'm

460
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: pulling seventy pounds, whether I'm pulling forty five pounds, it's

461
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 1: it's where you place that arrow yeah, that you know,

462
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: the idea that they perform optimally at you know, the

463
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: peak draw weight whatever that that you know, seventy or

464
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: whatever that you know. I get that message, and you

465
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: know they've said that to me a million times too.

466
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: But it's almost if that if that were really really

467
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: relevant to our infield accuracy, most bow hunters would probably

468
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: be better off getting a fifty to sixty and shooting

469
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: right at sixty. I would think, um, and no, no,

470
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: no question about it. And I don't know, I don't

471
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: know if you really remember this or not, if you

472
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: were in the bow hunting game when this was like big.

473
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: But I remember when I started, it was such a

474
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: manly thing to try to pull like eighty pounds, you know.

475
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: So when I was like fourteen and the dipshits that

476
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: I was around, you know, everybody was like striving to

477
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: pull as much pounded as possible. And now with what

478
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: we have at so silly. And I had a I

479
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 1: I asked you about those injuries because I had an

480
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: injury from with lifting weights in I think it was,

481
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: and I tore I partially tore a muscle on my

482
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: shoulder and in August and was like, like you like

483
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: oh what am I gonna do? And I ended up

484
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: ordering a bow and that was a fifty to sixty

485
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: and I think I shot fifty five pounds that year.

486
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: I what I did was laid off it for like

487
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: three weeks. My wife's a physical therapist and she's like, Okay, well,

488
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna hunt, so here's how you do

489
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: this to like mitigate any more damage and maybe heal

490
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: up a little bit. And I did. I was terrified

491
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: because I did the least amount of shooting in the

492
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: preseason that I've ever done. But I still matched up

493
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: broadheads and did did that kind of stuff, and I

494
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 1: still felt like I'm going into the field like if

495
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: they get yards away, they're gonna be in trouble probably,

496
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: but like you have that nagging, that devil on your shoulders,

497
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: like you're gonna this is gonna be bad, dude. And

498
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I went out opening night in Wisconsin

499
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: because that was one of the years when Wisconsin and

500
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: Minesota had different openers. Wisconsin was week earlier. Usually they

501
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: fall on the same weekend. Opening night, I killed a buck,

502
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: came in and I was like, Okay, I got that

503
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: out of the way. Next week in Minnesota killed a

504
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: buck on opening day and I'm like, Okay, now I

505
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: feel like and I just I went on a tear

506
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: that year. Yeah, I feel like it was partially because

507
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: I was shooting a boat that was so so freaking comfortable,

508
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 1: That's right, And that's where I was going to with

509
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: with everything, especially when you were asking me with the

510
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: sheep boat. So from my sheep bow to my white

511
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: tail bow and anything else in between, whether I'm setting

512
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: up for turkeys or anything. Comfort for me is at

513
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: a premium. I want the most comfortable shooting experience that

514
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: I that I can design. And when I find comfort,

515
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: I usually find balance and I usually find accuracy. Um,

516
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: I worry. Eighty pound limbs mean zero to me. Um,

517
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, guys, you know that if you want

518
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: to shoot eighty pounds, you know, and you feel comfortable

519
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: at eighty pounds, hey, hey, go for it. You know,

520
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bow manufacturers making eighty pound eighty

521
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: pound limbs right now and models that were that are

522
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: designed for that. But you need to be honest with

523
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: yourself and find that build where you can be the

524
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: most lethal bow hunter you can be. And if at

525
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: any point you are struggling to get that string back

526
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: or it doesn't feel comfortable and you're really having to

527
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: strain and and and push that into the air and

528
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: the right it's not worth it. All you're gonna do

529
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: is you're gonna you know, you're gonna create injury for yourself.

530
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: You're not going to be as accurate as you want

531
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: to be, and you're gonna get very frustrated with how

532
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: you're shooting. Is going you're not gonna shoot as much,

533
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: You're not gonna shoot as often. And to do all

534
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: of that to say, well, yeah I shoot seventy or

535
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: eighty pounds that it's it's there's there's zero point in it.

536
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: There's zero point. And if you have to take care

537
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: of your body and accuracy, comfort, those things, those things

538
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: are what what are what going to get animals killed? Yeah?

539
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and you can shoot shoot whatever you want,

540
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: but just yeah, are you comfortable? Are you enjoying it?

541
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: And and understand you know, there's I talked about this

542
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: a lot, like in relation to dog training. Like people

543
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: think that they're going to train their you know, their

544
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: lab or their GSPL summer long, and then it's it's

545
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: you know it's a rock star on whatever triple blind

546
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: retrieves or tripod points, and then you get out there

547
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: in the field and there's a trophy and it might

548
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: be ten depending on the age of the dog and

549
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: the experience. You just know it's coming. And when you

550
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: think about standing out there shooting at whatever range, shooting

551
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: at your block target and laying them in there on

552
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: the bull's eyes, you just know you're probably not going

553
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: to shoot that well. When at In walks down the

554
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: trail after you've been grinding it out for eight days

555
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: of dark to dark sits like it's just a different world.

556
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: So you've got to give yourself that chance. And the

557
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: worst thing, you know, I know you've done this because

558
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: you've you've shot with a lot of people and you've

559
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: photographed a lot of people, is when they get you know,

560
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned way earlier that those aggressive cams and a

561
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: bow that just is fighting to go off. When you

562
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: see people draw and then they have that slip moment

563
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: where they catch it, it's over like it's it takes

564
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: him right out of the game and that shot is

565
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: probably not going to be a good one. And that

566
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: happens when you drawn deer sometimes and it sucks. It

567
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: does suck, And i've i've, i've, I've done it in

568
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: the moment that you are at full draw and then

569
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: in you and that and that release hand comes forward

570
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: and you creep and then you go to pull back,

571
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: so too much can go bad. You're gonna punch. You

572
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: know you're gonna If you're shooting a hinge that arrows

573
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: ricocheting through the woods and carbon splattering everywhere. If you're

574
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: shooting an index finger, chances are you're gonna panic and

575
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: go ahead and just punch right through it because you've

576
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: already freaked yourself out because there was movement. If you're

577
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: shooting a thumb, the same thing is going to happen.

578
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: So you know, That's where we talked about, like being

579
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: being so comfortable in your routine and having a bow

580
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: that is so comfortable at full full draw when I

581
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 1: crawl into my anchor, I want to know that I

582
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: can hold that bow until exhaustion. I want to know

583
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: that when when my when I am at anchor and

584
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm ready to shoot, I can hold that

585
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: bow until exhaustion and tell I physically can't hold anymore,

586
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: and I'm the one that makes the choice to let down.

587
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let the cams or the design of

588
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: that bow make that decision for me. Um And and

589
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: to your point, you know, it all changes again when

590
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: you when it's super cold outside and you're in lots

591
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: of clothing in the bucket a lifetimes coming down the

592
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: trail and you know you're you're standing there and your

593
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: legs are knocking in your cold. Everything, everything should revolve

594
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: around comfort at that point and being able to crawl

595
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: unto your anchor and know with absolute confidence that you

596
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: you have control. Ye. Well, I've noticed something I really

597
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: noticed this last year hunt in the late season, trying

598
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: to kill one more dough here in the cities. Is

599
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: you know you mentioned that, you know, hold the hold

600
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: the bow out and draw straight back to your faces

601
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: your test. You know, if you can do that nice

602
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: and slow, It's kind of like when you go to

603
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: the gym and you see somebody lifting weights. If they're

604
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: throwing their body everywhere, they're they're overcome. The people who

605
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: can do slow, deliberate movement or you know, mountain hunting,

606
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: slow deliberate uphill with a lot of weight on your back.

607
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: That's somebody who's strong and prepared. If you gotta if

608
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: you really got to fling your ship around, it's and

609
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: you're you're not as strong as you think. But that

610
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: that slow drawback. You know, people get so worried about

611
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: getting busted by white tails drawing, and because yeah, I mean,

612
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: it can break a lot of different ways. It's much

613
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: better to not get busted. But you know, in some

614
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: situations where they're gonna hear it, they're gonna see it,

615
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: something like it's gonna happen. But I've noticed even in

616
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: my life just that that nice, slow, straight, straight back

617
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: draw I get less. They're they're less fired up if

618
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: if they bust me. So you know, if you're doing

619
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: something you draw quickly surprise you or something, or you

620
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: have to sky that and get more movement, you're gonna

621
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: get busted worse. And all that's gonna do is take

622
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: away a little bit of your brain because you're gonna

623
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: go this suckers moving, he's gonna go. And if they

624
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, they're the One thing that I realized that

625
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: happens all the time to me that I kind of

626
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: have learned to mostly ignore is that there's a lot

627
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: of times I'm gonna get busted drawing. You know, when

628
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm when I'm hunting in northern Wisconsin, those dear bust

629
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: me every single freaking time. But you can still kill them.

630
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: And it's it depends how bad they bust you, and

631
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: you just you kind of learned to live with it.

632
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: But you can mitigate some of the some of the

633
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: bad bus by being able to draw your bowl better.

634
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: And and that's that's exactly the case. And a good

635
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: example of that for me happened last year here in Colorado,

636
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: was hunting a piece of public dirt. Um it was.

637
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: It was later in November. I had been really sick.

638
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: Um I got I got the the COVID bug, and

639
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: I was really sick. And coming off of it. It

640
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: was my first evening back into a into a tree stand,

641
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: and and I was I was weaker than normal and

642
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: and and it probably wasn't as mentally laser focused as

643
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: I normally would be. But when I got up in

644
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: my stand, you know, later that evening, I had a buck.

645
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: I had a buck come through, and I made the

646
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: decision right away that you know, I was gonna I

647
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: was gonna go ahead and shoot that buck. And just

648
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: the way that I had to position my stand in

649
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: that gnarled, horrible cotton wood that is so common out west.

650
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't get the straight hardwoods. And

651
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't as high as I'd like to to have been,

652
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: but that was my option. And when I went to

653
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: draw on that buck, it was cold, um, the wind

654
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: was blowing, and I was still able to bring that

655
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: string straight back, and that buck did bust me. But

656
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: I could just tell by the way he fixed his

657
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: gaze up there it was not a bus like, holy crap,

658
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: So my my internal thinking didn't shift too Oh what

659
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: do I need to do now he's bust me? Is

660
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 1: he gonna run? Is he gonna leave? He's gonna world?

661
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: Do I need to let one rip? My my concentration

662
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: was able to stay totally focused on where my pin was,

663
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: sitting on him, letting him relax, and then going ahead

664
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: and executing the shot, and and within seconds he just

665
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: paid it no mind. But I didn't create a bunch

666
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: of additional movement, and I would because I didn't create

667
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: that additional movement, he wasn't on alert, and because I

668
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: knew he wasn't on super alert, my brain didn't go

669
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: into the oh crap mode. I just stayed true to

670
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: everything that I was doing and that resulted in a

671
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: perfect arrow. Yeah. I mean, that's one thing that you

672
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: really get when you when you have enough experiences, you

673
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: you understand how how much worse it gets due to

674
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: the level of bust and like the level of of

675
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: panic that's that's associated with how likely it looks they're

676
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: gonna leave your life. Like the more that you can minimize,

677
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, the feeling that these suckers are gone or

678
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: this this dude's gonna to bail on me quick here,

679
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: the better you'll do. And it's a hard I mean,

680
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't that's one of this is one of those

681
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: things like telling people how to fight fish like I could.

682
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: I could write an entire book on how to fight

683
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: small mouth and it wouldn't do anyone any good. Like

684
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: they have to just go do it, and like you

685
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: have to get into these situations and see and lose

686
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: some of those deer and panic and miss and and

687
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: this this stuff is just gonna happen and eventually kind

688
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: of come to a place where like, Okay, I know

689
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: how this is gonna go. And then when it shifts gears,

690
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: they're like okay, now I know how there's a really

691
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: gonna go And it's just it's one of those things

692
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: that's so important that just doesn't get talked about much.

693
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't think no, and it really doesn't. And I

694
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: think it's something that definitely needs to be talked about

695
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: more and and considered more. Because when you go into

696
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: the white Tail woods with a bow that is comfortable

697
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: for you, that fills you with confidence, and that is

698
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: set up properly, your success rate is going to go

699
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: up because you're going to make you're going to execute

700
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: better in crunch time. You're absolutely going to execute better

701
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: in crunch time. Um. You know. So when I'm looking

702
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: at a white tail bow in my bow build, I'm

703
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: seeking a bow with a non aggressive cam system. In

704
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: terms of those cams just simply designed to to for

705
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: for maximum speed right um, where they're just really itching

706
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: to go. I want to make sure that, um, those

707
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: cams are very comfortable, that the bow feels comfortable, that

708
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: the draw is smooth. When you get an overly aggressive

709
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: cam system, a lot of times you won't have that

710
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: smooth transition to let off. There may be a little

711
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: herky jerky motion in there, and sometimes that herky jerk

712
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: emotion can be enough to create that creep we talked

713
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: about earlier. You might just you know, when it goes

714
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: back and you hit hit your back wall, especially if

715
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: that pack wall is a limb stop um and you're

716
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: not pulling into the cable. When you hit the limbs

717
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: and it's rock hard and it happens that quick and

718
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: you're pulling with that much torque, there's there's just so

719
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: much that can go wrong. Yeah, well, and we should

720
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: say too. You know, I know you've You've set up

721
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: a ton of bows. I've set up a ton of bows.

722
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: We've been really lucky in the bow hunting industry that way.

723
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: And what you realize if you get five or six

724
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: bows a year and you set them up and shoot

725
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: him and hunt with them, you realize that, you know,

726
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with brand loyalty, right like you you

727
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: might be a white fan of Matthews fan whatever, I

728
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: don't I don't care, but no, nothing, not no bow

729
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: company is producing the same thing year to year. And

730
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: so even if they have a reputation for being a

731
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: killer white tail bow or a killer Western bow or something,

732
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: you really got to shoot them because it's that's one

733
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: thing that always amazed me how different you know, a

734
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: bow model from one manufacturer would be from you know,

735
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: the flagship from one year to the next, and how

736
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: much I might like or dislike it, or how one

737
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: company who I'm like, I've every time I shoot the bows,

738
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't really like it, and then I'll shoot one

739
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, I really like this one. There's

740
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: a there's a lot to it, and it's it is

741
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: really a matter of getting into a pro shop and

742
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and spending some time with them and being serious about it.

743
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: Because when you get that one that that works for you,

744
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: it's really nice, like you said, and when they're set up, well,

745
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: you know there's something that goes on there. We've been

746
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: dealing with this and on the dog side of things

747
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: a lot with with these pandemic pups. You know, everybody

748
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: getting a puppy last year or adopting dogs and then

749
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: not getting them socialized very well because we were in

750
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: a lockdown, and you know, you weren't. You weren't out

751
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: and about with people in in new situations. So we

752
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: have a lot of dogs that are like a year

753
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: old now that have a lot of problems. And what

754
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: happens is if you don't socialize them right away. When

755
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: they're eight weeks old, ten weeks old, they're they're not

756
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: as much fun to be around, and so you tend

757
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: to keep them home more and exact abate that problem.

758
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: If you've got a bowl that's not very accurate, not

759
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: shooting very well, or you don't like shooting it, you're

760
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna shoot less and that's gonna hurt you. You are.

761
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: And on the other side of things, if you get

762
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: one that you really enjoy shooting and it's fun and

763
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: you can you can lay them in there, you're gonna

764
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: shoot more. You are. And the thing is is what

765
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: you said. I tell guys this all the time is

766
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: pro shops are there for a reason. Um, whether you

767
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: like to set up your own bow. I set up

768
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: all my own bows from from start to finish, top

769
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: to bottom. But um shoot getting to shoot, whether you're

770
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: loyal to whatever manufacturer. Manufacturers have done a great job

771
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: of building different flagship bows or different budget bows. You

772
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: have a whole line. And if you get into that

773
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: pro shop, and that pro shop is worth its salt,

774
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna let you shoot just a ton of different bows,

775
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: and you're going to start shooting them, and you're gonna

776
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: find one or two that you're like, Oh my gosh.

777
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: From start to finish, that was silky smooth. From start

778
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: to finish. It just felt right. The grip fell into

779
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: the palm swell area. I crawled into my anchor perfectly.

780
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: The shot broke just the way I should The arrow

781
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: was right where I wanted it to be. Um, the

782
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: draw cycle was smooth. You're gonna find that bow. Um.

783
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: But if you just go you know, read inc on

784
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: a website or a magazine article or anything like that

785
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: and go, oh, yeah, that's the boat, that's the boat

786
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: for me. I want that bow, and you go in

787
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: and your heart is set and you're dead set on

788
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: that boat, right, Um, you're not making the best informed

789
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: buying decision that you possibly can. I mean, I think

790
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: about it. Last week. I told you I went and

791
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: got a new truck, and I didn't buy the first

792
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: truck that I drove. I had my mindset. I wanted

793
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: to dodge Diesel since I was since I was a kid,

794
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: and besides the fact that they're a bazillion dollars. Um.

795
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: I I drove two of them, and I tried to

796
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: force myself to like them. I tried to force myself

797
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: to ignore the noise that I heard and the rough ride,

798
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: and then I went back to the Chevy dealer and

799
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: I Tom the GMC and I went for a cruise,

800
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is it, and it's the same thing.

801
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: Don't fight it. If you're in a pro shop and

802
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: you had your mind set on this bow and you

803
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: said I'm getting this particular bow. When I go in

804
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: there and you shoot that bow and it does not

805
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: feel like the boat is for you, then that is

806
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: not the boat for you, And don't fight that decision.

807
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: Just say, hey, okay, I tried it. I'd like to

808
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: try this model from this same manufacturer. That's fine. I

809
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: want to try this model because the more you do that,

810
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: the more you up your odds of finding the one

811
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: that gives you the perfect test drive from top to bottom. So,

812
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: speaking of contentious topics, you're still you're still a believer

813
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: in stabilizers, huh, even in the white Tail Woods. I

814
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: am a believer in a state babilizer. And there's multiple

815
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: reasons for being a believer in a stabilizer. Okay, So

816
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: I know everybody's gonna say, yeah, shoot, I said earlier

817
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: shooting to twenty to forty yards, right shooting from twenty

818
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: to forty yards, which is most white tail shots is

819
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: that I've experienced, are gonna between twenty and forty. My

820
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: western shots can be a little bit longer where balance

821
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: comes at more of a premium in terms of where

822
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: a stabilizer with an offset um, experimenting with different weights

823
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: on the front end and and the back end of

824
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: those bars um is maybe a little bit more important.

825
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: But a stabilizer, I always tell people, if you're gonna

826
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: put a five inch stabilize rubber stabilizer on your bow

827
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: that wiggles when you can bend it and wrap it

828
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: around your riser um, that is not a stabilizer. Okay,

829
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: that that's piece of that stabilizers doing one thing. It's

830
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: it's a noise and vibration device. It is not a stabilizer.

831
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: A stabilizer is meant to it's in the world. It's

832
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: meant to stabilize you. And so when I put a

833
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: stag bilizer in my bow and I spend time tinkering

834
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: with weights, you want to pick a stabilizer with a

835
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: good system that allows you to to to take weight

836
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: on and off of that stabilizer, because you're going to

837
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: find a point where when you pull back at full draw,

838
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: that bow sits like a well trained retriever. That bow

839
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: just sits there and it will hold better on target um.

840
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: When you don't have that stabilizer, you have weight out front.

841
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: You've got your site. A lot of white tail guys,

842
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean myself included, I shoot a dovetail site. I

843
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: my sites out front. You have weight out in front

844
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: of your riser, and so that stabilizer helps with that

845
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: a lot. And now you won't know it unless you

846
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: try it. You won't know the full benefit of a

847
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: good stabilizer system unless you try it. As far as

848
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: noise and vibration, you don't need a stabilizer. These bows

849
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: are too quiet. Don't don't if you don't want one

850
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel comfortable to you again going back

851
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: to comfort, that's fine. You you don't have to run

852
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: a state bilizer. I'd rather see a guy not run

853
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: a stabilizer than put a four inch or five inch

854
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: stabilizer on the front of his bow that was built

855
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: for no other purpose, because you don't need the noise

856
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: vibration if you're shooting a good set up your arrow

857
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: is heavy enough those types of things, that arrow is

858
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: going to absorb the energy. You're not going to get

859
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: the noise in vibration. But to be as accurate as

860
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: you possibly can be, which I believe is essential from

861
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: the Western woods to to the white tail woods. A stabilizer,

862
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: A stabilizer system. And I say system, and that doesn't

863
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: mean you have to run a backbar. It doesn't mean

864
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: you have to run any of that stuff. But a

865
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: system that you are confident in that will that will

866
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: produce for you and give you added confidence and balance

867
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: that bow and allow you to hold a steadier and

868
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: let that bow aim. You're You're you're gonna up your

869
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: odds of success. In my opinion, you should have seen.

870
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: So where this comes from is I've just gotten to

871
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: the point where white to hunting. I don't have a

872
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: stabilizer on my boa rising freaking polls every time I

873
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: see a picture. It drives a lot of people nuts.

874
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: And I brought it up to Mark when we were

875
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: out in Montana recently filming some YouTube stuff, and I

876
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: was I kind of like jokingly like said, oh, you

877
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: gotta gotta stabilizer on your way. Tobebo and he the

878
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: way he looked at me. He's like, well yeah, and

879
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: he's like, you don't use a stabilizer. I was like no,

880
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: and he just looked at me like I was the

881
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: worst ever. Yep. Well here's here's the thing though. I mean,

882
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: you're confident in it, right, So again everything goes back

883
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: to confidence. So if you're if you're if you're not

884
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: happy with the stabilizer on your bow, if you feel

885
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: like it's adding too much weight. You know, a lot

886
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: of guys are really concerned about weight. Um. I like

887
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: a heavier bow for me, The heavier the better. When

888
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm done with it, a heavier bow means a steadier

889
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: hold for me from from from east to west, it

890
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Heavier bow equals a steadier hold. Um. But

891
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: if you just don't like the feel, so much of

892
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: archery is feel, and if you don't like that feel,

893
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: then you can take that stabilizer often experiment with it,

894
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: because like I said, it's it's not doing you any

895
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: purpose if it's not being used as a stabilization device.

896
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: If you just have it on there to cancel noise

897
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: and vibration, just get it off of there, because you're

898
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: just adding a necessary weight in terms of if weight

899
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: is an issue for you as far as feel yeah, well,

900
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: and I should say, you know, I went through a

901
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: long period of my life where I shot a lot,

902
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: especially before we had the girls. I shot a lot

903
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: of long range stuff, and I realized, you know, shooting

904
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: in the wind and shooting you know, just different conditions.

905
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: I was like, I know, there's times where I knew

906
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: a stabilizer was helping me. If I was stretching out

907
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: beyond forty yards, I knew it. I could tell. And

908
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, the same thing with certain kind of releases,

909
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: and same thing with a certain amount of wind. You know,

910
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: wind really started to affect me forty and beyond. And

911
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: so as I kind of got out of that stage

912
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: and couldn't shoot as much because I had little kids

913
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: and just more stuff to do, my my range kept

914
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: creeping in, creeping in, and I'm like, you know, I'm

915
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: a forty and undershooter now, and I just couldn't find

916
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: enough difference to justify the kind of stabilizer I knew

917
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: I would actually need to help me shoot better. And

918
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: so it was kind of like, you know, if I'm

919
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: shooting white tails at twenty yards and my bow is quiet.

920
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't need this, and I know people

921
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: all people all the time, they roll their eyes. I'm like,

922
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just works for me. Okay, So

923
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: but the the the this question has to come into

924
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: play too. How many white tail guys. I mean, I

925
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: saw more hunters out west last year than I've ever seen. More.

926
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: Hunters are expanding their adventures right They're coming west in

927
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: search of mule, deer, pronghorn, elk, everything like that. And

928
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: they don't want to set up multiple bows, but they

929
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: they you know, they just want one solid bow. And

930
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: when you start tinkering and changing things in terms of

931
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: weight on your bow, it changes an entire feel. So

932
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: for someone like you when you come here to hunt antelope,

933
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: I've noticed you don't have a stabilized and I've remembered

934
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: a few yards of you shots past forty that maybe

935
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: didn't go as quite as planned. Is that possible? Is

936
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: that would be fair? When I fair? To be fair,

937
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: I've been told that it was going to be a

938
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: slam dunk out of a blind at close range. I

939
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: knew that was coming, I said, walked right into it. Yes,

940
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: But chaos, chaos and sues on the prairies as you know,

941
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: with transla hawks and thorns and scorpions and rattlesnakes, So

942
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: you should expect and just knowing me that I'm an idiot,

943
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: that we're probably going to be slipping around the cactus

944
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: trying to slip an arrow into a prong horn and

945
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: the SHOT's going to be beyond forty. So guys, need

946
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: you're right. And I will say that I do. I

947
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: drew in any deer tag in North Dakota this year,

948
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: and I do have a stabilizer on my boat. Okay,

949
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: so you now have a stabilizer on your boat. So

950
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: my question to you is how long is that stabilizer

951
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: on your boa? It's long enough and it's no enough. Yeah,

952
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: you'll be very you'll be very pleased when you see

953
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: my California whether two and a half year old uh

954
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: mule deer. You're gonna be like, yes, okay, are you

955
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: running a backbar system with an offset or anything like

956
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: that or you just running a straight front stabilizer, just

957
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: a straight front perfect yea. And again that's that's that's

958
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: why manufacturers make these different types of stabilizers um so

959
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: that you can play with those different types of stabilizers.

960
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: And you know, I feel like I'm probably beating a

961
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: dead horse here, But it all goes back to comfort

962
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: and what you feel most comfortable with. And if you

963
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: take your time and play with different settings with your bow,

964
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: whether that's moving your site closer in towards the riser

965
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: or moving your site out um on the riser, whether

966
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, take shooting with your quiver on or

967
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: shooting with your quiver off, or finding a quiver that

968
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: hugs the riser tightly. Everything you do, you should have

969
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: a purpose for doing. And the more you spend, more

970
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: time you spend testing and tinkering and and and looking

971
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: at these types of things, the more confident you're gonna

972
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: be in your final bow build. And when you're confident

973
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: your final bow build, you're gonna be a confident archer. Yeah. Um,

974
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 1: should we talk should we talk arrows a little bit? Maybe?

975
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: What is your what are your white tailed arrow way

976
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: in it? My white tail arrows right now? So so

977
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: my white tail arrows weigh and right at about four

978
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: five grains their eastern five millimeter um full metal jacket. Um.

979
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: I love the I love the aluminum for reduced friction

980
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: passed throughs and they hit like a ton of bricks. U.

981
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: My kinetic energy rating is right where I wanted to be.

982
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: They have a good foc as far as front of

983
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: center that I've taken the time to set up. Um.

984
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: And so my white tail arrow is is actually heavier

985
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: UM than my western arrow um. And I have reasons

986
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: for that. And people will object and and and but

987
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: that's what makes archery fun is is you can spend.

988
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: You can spend things I want um. But again, it

989
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: all goes back to what I've had the most success

990
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: with and what I believe to be true. So my

991
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: white You're concerned their trajectory, well, I mean, for me,

992
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: a heavier arrows quieter. I'm a firm believer that I

993
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: don't think these white tails. I don't think these deer

994
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: hearing the bow go off um. And a lot of

995
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: guys will say that is lately wrong, and it might

996
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: be completely wrong. They there are some bows that got

997
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: but I think they hear the arrow, That is my opinion.

998
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: I think that they are hearing and reacting to the

999
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: arrow and flight, and a heavier arrow is going to

1000
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: be quieter in flight. I mean it's I've I've proven

1001
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: it to myself with high definition microphones. So I like

1002
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: a heavier arrow in terms, you know, for for white tail.

1003
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: And because I'm shooting usually between twenty and forty yards,

1004
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm not that concerned with things like drop. Um. I'm

1005
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm usually shooting in in in a confined space with

1006
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: a lot of trees and things like that, so I'm

1007
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: not concerned as concerned about Uh, There's just a lot

1008
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: of things that go into it. A heavy arrow will

1009
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: will reduce wind buck and things like that. But a

1010
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: heavy arrow for me just is perfect for white tails.

1011
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: I like to be right around that four seventy mark

1012
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: to be honest. But I mean, isn't it you know,

1013
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: saying that they don't hear the bogo off. You know

1014
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: that they hear the bogo off sometimes, but sometimes they

1015
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: that heavier arrow. You know, the noise of a bow

1016
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: going off is vibration going somewhere not into your arrow,

1017
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: And the heavier the arrow, the more vibrations going in there.

1018
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: So it's all tied together. But I think I don't

1019
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: entirely disagree with that. I do wonder, especially like I

1020
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: think that broadhead choice has a huge impact on the

1021
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: sound of an arrow, and I know, you've I know,

1022
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: you've stood next to people who shoot like vented broadheads,

1023
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: and so I think I think cutting down every bit

1024
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: of noise everywhere is a solid choice. Yeah, And I

1025
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: don't want to overlook bo noise because, like I said, bose,

1026
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: I mean that is that is something Some bows produce

1027
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: more noise than others others. I just like to make

1028
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: sure that from top to bottom again, that my my

1029
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: setup is as quiet as possible. And when you get

1030
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: a really lightweight arrow that's sizzling and you get um,

1031
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, a vented uh fixed blade on the front

1032
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: end of that, you're you're going to create You're going

1033
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: to create more noise. I mean, you just are that

1034
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: arrow is going to be louder in flights. I mean

1035
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: if you stand at a you know, safe place down

1036
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: range where there's a wall or something like that. I've

1037
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: been in pro shops where you know, you're separated from

1038
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: the counter by just one you know wall that you

1039
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: can hear through very easily, and guys are in there

1040
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: testing broadheads and stuff like that, and you'll hear an

1041
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: arrow go and you'd be like, oh my gosh, wow,

1042
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: that was extremely loud. And then you know me being me,

1043
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: I've got to go in there and see, like what's

1044
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: going on. And nine times out of ten it's a

1045
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: guy shooting a flamethrower with an ultra light arrow with

1046
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: a minimum g p I rating for grains per inch

1047
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: four that will work for that boast safely, and shooting

1048
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: a large fixed plate broadhead with vined blades um and

1049
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: then those types of things are just going to amplify

1050
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: the amount of noise that is created. Yeah, well yeah,

1051
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: And if you think about it, this kind of goes

1052
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: back to our comfort and drawing situation. You know, when

1053
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: when a buck walks in, you might have three mistakes.

1054
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: You can make little sound mistakes, and the first one

1055
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: might be here and you draw. The second one might

1056
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: be if if you get three, the second one might

1057
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: be that bow going off, and the third one might

1058
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: be that arrow coming at and things start to fall apart.

1059
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: If you get three, you might only get to You

1060
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: might only get one. And so addressing all that stuff

1061
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: is important. And man, I know you know this because

1062
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: you photographed people shooting a lot and you've been around

1063
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 1: him a lot. I was just blown away, not only

1064
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: by some of the vented broadheads that you're talking about

1065
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: how loud they are. I mean it's like a loud whistle.

1066
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: But also just the differences in bows sometimes and you know,

1067
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: back when people you don't see this a lot anymore,

1068
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: but people still do it once in a while. That

1069
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: the rubber a liner for a peep site. Yeah, you

1070
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: stand next to that, Holy cow, it's so loud. Yeah,

1071
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: it's very loud. Yeah. And so there's something too having

1072
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: somebody stand next to you and shoot. That's important. Yep,

1073
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: it's very important. And another thing I would recommend to

1074
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: is if your bow sounds loud to you when when

1075
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: it when you shoot, it probably is um. And you know,

1076
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: if you want to set up just take a standard

1077
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: video camera, set it up. If you're shooting at thirty yards,

1078
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: set that video camera up at fifteen and make sure

1079
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: everything is really quiet. Pick a real you know, a

1080
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: day where the wind is nothing and it's really calm,

1081
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: so you don't get anything else, and shoot some different

1082
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: arrow combinations and then go back and play them and

1083
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: you will hear. You will hear a significant difference. Another

1084
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: great way to do it is you know, standing it

1085
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: as safe. And when I say safe, I mean I

1086
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: always want something between me and that arrow, UM as

1087
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: far as a wall or some some something like that. UM,

1088
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: don't ever put yourself in harm's away. But you can

1089
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: get and listen to a buddy's arrow, or have them

1090
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: listen to your arrow as it's passing, and they'll you know,

1091
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: many times I've come out and been like, man, whatever

1092
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: you just shot is what you need to go with um,

1093
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: or come out and said, wow, what was that? You know,

1094
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: and then you start looking at the build of that arrow,

1095
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: in the build of that bow, and then if the

1096
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: answer becomes very clear of why that was so loud, Yeah, Well,

1097
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: and we should say this too, you know, like you

1098
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: mentioned this before. Yeah, obviously most people listening to this

1099
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: are gonna have one bowl, right, so get the right one.

1100
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: And obviously people listening to this aren't gonna have multiple

1101
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: multiple errow options. So just as like a sort of

1102
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: as a guideline to all of this stuff we're talking about,

1103
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: at least personally me and I know you do this too.

1104
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: I just always go heavier. I air on the side

1105
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: of heavier. And and you've you mentioned this earlier about

1106
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, I forget about speed. Who cares? And you know,

1107
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: up up the you know, go get on the right

1108
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: side of spine first, you know, make sure you're make

1109
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: sure you're working with that, and make sure you're working

1110
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: with something that that weighs a little bit more, and

1111
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: you forget about that chronograph, forget about how if if

1112
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: you're worried about aero speed, just lie, Just tell people

1113
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: you're shooting three forty and it's awesome. Nobody cares. But

1114
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: but air on the side of heavier, you're gonna get

1115
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: You're gonna you know, you'll get better penetration, you'll get

1116
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: a quieter bow. The whole the whole thing just works

1117
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: out generally better. Yep, from top to bottom. And in

1118
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to touch on two that we

1119
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: we we kind of we we kind of touched on it,

1120
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: but we tiptoed around a little bit too. Is for

1121
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: those guys setting up one bow, you know, going back

1122
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: to comfort being at a premium, especially with the cam

1123
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: system and the overall build of the bow. Um, how

1124
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: many times have you held on a white tail and

1125
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: held on a white tail and held on a white

1126
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: tail a lot? Right? Um, I've held on elk until

1127
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: I when the boat went off. I honest to God,

1128
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: don't know how how I hit him because I had

1129
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: held so long. And you need to be able to

1130
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: do that. Um, you need to be able to hold

1131
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: that full draw. And one of the things you need

1132
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: to practice is doing that. Go outside when you in,

1133
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, pick a shooting day, pick a shooting session.

1134
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: I always give myself goals when I go out to shoot,

1135
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: but make your goal for that day to hold. Have

1136
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: somebody stand there, start a timer on a stopwatcher, a

1137
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: cell phone, and you hold that bow until you cannot

1138
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: hold it anymore. Don't shoot the arrow and go ahead

1139
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: and let down, and then have them give you the time. Yeah,

1140
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: I'll bet it will shock you because you'll think your

1141
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 1: this has been three minutes and it's been seconds. Yeah, yeah,

1142
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: it feels like forever. But um, and then gradually you

1143
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: know you you can build up um your strength and

1144
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: stamina by doing that. But only if you have a

1145
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: bow that will allow you to do that. Um. You

1146
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: need to realize that there's gonna be lots of times

1147
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: in a hunting situation where you're gonna where you're not

1148
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: gonna just draw back everything. The stars are gonna align,

1149
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 1: You're gonna put your pin there and the animal's gonna

1150
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: stop perfectly and you're gonna shoot and boom. It took

1151
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: from top to bottom. It took seven seconds. You know,

1152
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of times where it's the

1153
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: exact opposite, and that that that that bucks staring up

1154
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: at you, or he all of a sudden quarter two

1155
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: and you need for him to go back to a

1156
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: broadside or quartering away position, or that bull comes in

1157
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: and catches draw for a minute and he's just frozen

1158
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: staring at you at a full frontal at thirty two yards,

1159
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: and you have to hold through those moments. So again,

1160
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: you've got to have a bow that allow you to

1161
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: do that, and you have to practice being able to

1162
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: do that too. Yeah, I know this drives you nuts.

1163
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: But when you hear people say, you know, I held

1164
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: on that I drew and I held back at full

1165
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: draw for three minutes before I got that shot, I'm like, yeah,

1166
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: you mean one seconds, yep, And I've done it as

1167
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: far as I stroke me so nuts that like on

1168
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: a lot of outdoor television shows and stuff like that,

1169
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: guys are like, man, I held for two and a

1170
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: half minutes. You know, all actually rewind it with our

1171
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: TV technology. Now check it on my cell phone and

1172
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: it was eighteen seconds. You know, it just feels like

1173
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: that in the moment you're hyped up, your adrenaline is pumping,

1174
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: muscles are starting to break down, the shop process is

1175
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: starting to break down, and the urge to bail out

1176
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: of that shot and everything else starts to creep in.

1177
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: And you have to be able to stay poised and

1178
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: stay steady and remain at full draw and just continue

1179
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: to execute the best you can to give the to

1180
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: put the best arrow out there that you can every shot. Yeah,

1181
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: and that and that that urge to bail out, like

1182
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: you said, is where a lot of quartering two shots

1183
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: get taken and a lot of questionable shots because it's

1184
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: like I gotta get this over, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1185
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: have to let down or shoot, and people get in

1186
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: the mindset that I gotta shoot, and that's when a

1187
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff really breaks bad. Yep, and and

1188
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: something else. I know it might not be on the

1189
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: full gear topic here, but one of the things I

1190
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: want to recommend to people, especially with shooting, is you're

1191
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: preparing for white tail season or whatever you're preparing yourself

1192
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: for shooting, wise, come to the understanding and know right

1193
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: now that you're human and that you're gonna have days

1194
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: where you go out and shoot. You might shoot lights

1195
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: out one day and you might feel like, oh my gosh,

1196
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: everything in the world that gets and gets in front

1197
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: of me this year is in trouble. You may go

1198
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: out the next day and be like, this just isn't

1199
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: going well, it's not feeling right. I'm not executing right.

1200
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: Put the bow down, don't sit there and shoot two

1201
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: d arrows to say you shot two hundred arrows and

1202
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: develop bad habits. Let it go mentally, walk away from

1203
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: the situation. Mentally, I mean, you look at the greatest

1204
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: athletes in the world. You look at the Tom Brady's,

1205
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: you look at the you know, U Saining Bowld, Michael Phelps,

1206
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: whoever you want to look at some of the greatest

1207
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: of all time. Every one of them has poor performances.

1208
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: Every one of them has a bad day every now

1209
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: and then, and you're going to be no different as

1210
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: an archer. You're going to have those bad days, and

1211
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: if you're out there, don't fight it. Don't fight the

1212
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: mental game, don't fight the physical game. Don't start changing

1213
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: things within your setup, and they can all my draw

1214
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: links too long, or well I need to switch arrows,

1215
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: or this release I should go to a hand durin

1216
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: index or this or that. Stay true to what you

1217
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: have and what has proven itself well for you, and

1218
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: just realize I'm having a bad day. Put the bow up,

1219
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: go play with your kids, go play with your dog,

1220
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: go fishing, get away from it, and then pick it

1221
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: up again. Because that's the best medicine you can you

1222
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: can do for yourself, shooting wise, mentally wise, everything. Yeah,

1223
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: And that's that's why you give yourself lots of time

1224
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: to get in the groove over that's right, months and months,

1225
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: and you don't pick up the bow on September first,

1226
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: when the openers two weeks later, and that that that

1227
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: idea of walking away, that's a hard one. It's a

1228
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,959
Speaker 1: hard one to realize how important it is. But there's

1229
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: a reason if you're you know, I always say this

1230
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: about people who miss miss a big buck at twenty

1231
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: yards when they're like, oh man, I was just lights

1232
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: out on the range, and I'm like, yeah, something was different.

1233
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: What was it like? And when you think about if

1234
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: you can go out and you're laying them in there

1235
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: and you're having a great time target shooting, and the

1236
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: next time you go out, you suck and you get

1237
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: angry right away. You've got something else going on. You

1238
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't be there, and it's time to just put it

1239
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: down and go back. Because we see the same thing

1240
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: with dogs all the time, where a dog will be

1241
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: just on fire, just everything's just tight one day, and

1242
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: then the next day they're not into it, and it

1243
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: does not do you any good to force them through

1244
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: it because they're not going to get better. It's only

1245
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna get worse. That's right, it's gonna get worse before

1246
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: it gets better. And then you have a whole new

1247
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: slew of problems. Then things like target panic will start

1248
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: to creep in. You'll start questioning everything that you do.

1249
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: It's better to just walk away from it for that

1250
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: for for that period of time, resume it again the

1251
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: next day, get your mind right and go back after

1252
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: it and realize that it was just you. You're human.

1253
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: It happens um you've hunted, you've hunted mountain lions, elk,

1254
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: all the western stuff, You've you've hunted white tails a lot.

1255
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: What what is it? And a guy living in Colorado

1256
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: like you, with the options that are there every year,

1257
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,959
Speaker 1: various tags you can get and you know the close

1258
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: proximity states. What what is it about white tails that

1259
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,479
Speaker 1: hooked you? Well, I'll say hooked in a big way

1260
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: because I haven't hunted mule deer here in eight years.

1261
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: It has been eight years. I have some of the

1262
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: best mule deer hunting that anyone could ask for twelve

1263
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: minutes from my house and I haven't put in for

1264
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: mule deer tag in eight years. And the reason for

1265
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: it is is I love the whole process that is

1266
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: white tail hunting. I love I love everything about it.

1267
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: I love hanging the stands, I love trim and shooting lanes,

1268
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: I love hanging cameras, I love scouting. I love watching

1269
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: bucks on an alfalfa field. Um. And for me, being

1270
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: able to hunt that animal for a long period of

1271
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: time throughout different phases of their of the cycle from

1272
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: September through December and see how things change and be

1273
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: out there to experience that and is second is it's

1274
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: it's the best. I mean, it is the it is

1275
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: the absolute best. And so for me that is what

1276
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 1: is fun. And I don't think personally as a bow hunter.

1277
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: We bow hunt for a challenge in my opinion, I

1278
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: love the challenge of bow hunting, and I don't know

1279
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: that there's a bigger challenge than killing a mature white

1280
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: tail buck. You have to be on your a game.

1281
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: Everything has to be right or you just have to

1282
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: get stupid, dumb lucky. And I don't get stupid dumb

1283
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: lucky very often. I'm an unlucky person as it is,

1284
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: and so I have to make sure everything is right

1285
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna and and killing killing any any white

1286
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: tail for that matter. UM. I just I just like

1287
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: the draw of it. I like how adaptable they are

1288
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: as a species. I mean, we have them on the

1289
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: prairie out here. I've seen him in the canyon country

1290
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: standing next to mule deer out here. I love their adaptability. UM.

1291
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: I love their aggressive nature when they rut. UM. I

1292
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: love that they're susceptible to food patterns. UM that you

1293
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: can put a lot of work in that water plays

1294
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: such a huge role, um figuring out weather patterns, moon phases.

1295
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: To me, it's the education part of it and being

1296
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: a continual learner in realizing that when it comes to

1297
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: that species, I I know nothing. I I think I

1298
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: know a lot, but I know I know very little,

1299
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: and that's that's exciting because I mean there's always room

1300
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: to grow and get better. Um, and that's an any hunting,

1301
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: but as a white tail hunter, I really feel like

1302
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: there's so much to learn and get better at that

1303
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: will make you a more accomplished white tail hunter. Is there?

1304
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: Is there a part of it? Since you're you're born

1305
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: and raised in Colorado, and Colorado is the destination for

1306
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: non residents for elk right now, and just you know,

1307
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: obviously antelope and and mule deer as well, but elk

1308
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: is the big thing. Is there part of this, this

1309
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: white tail obsession? Is it? Is it kind of one

1310
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: of those things out there where you know, a lot

1311
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: of Western states there's the keynote species and white tails

1312
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: pretty bottom of the barrel. It doesn't get as much attention.

1313
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: Is part of it? Just the fact that you've got

1314
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: an animal there that's not getting as much attention as

1315
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: the elk in the meal there and you can kind

1316
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: of go work them and do your own thing without

1317
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: constant people around you. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not

1318
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and tell you that it's not because

1319
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, white tail take I mean every

1320
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: every deer tag in Colorado. We went to an all

1321
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: draw system across the board for deer. You cannot get

1322
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: in over the counter tag for deer, and I think

1323
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: it's been gosh, it's been a grip of time. I

1324
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: can't tell you how long. Um. But every year there's

1325
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: white tail tags that are left over. I mean for rifle,

1326
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: there's there's tons of white tail tags left over because

1327
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: it is a secondary deer species, and a secondary species

1328
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: when it comes to Colorado. In the West and where

1329
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: I live, I have great access to white tails and

1330
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 1: very few people that want anything to do with them

1331
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: at all. So pressure is down, numbers are up, and

1332
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: it's a great time to be a western white tail

1333
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: hunter for that. For that reason, UM, so I paid

1334
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: very close attention to that. UM. I didn't see another

1335
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: hunter hunting public land where I hunted last year. Now

1336
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 1: I do hunt a lot of private land here close.

1337
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: But the tag I drew last year was a list

1338
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: beat actually it was a list beach tag. Hydrow it

1339
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: on my third choice and it was public or nothing

1340
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: in that unit. So I hunted public land and I

1341
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: hunted hard from October until the end of November when

1342
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: I killed my buck minus the little COVID break. I

1343
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: didn't see one other hunter on public land. I didn't

1344
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: see a tree that had had a stand in it.

1345
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: I didn't see boot tracks, I didn't have people bumbling

1346
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,959
Speaker 1: into a setup or guys parked in the parking area.

1347
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: When I showed up, it was like hunting private land,

1348
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: and the the the animals on that on those public

1349
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: tracks acted like animals that we're on well managed private

1350
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: land because they hadn't experienced pressure. Um So I got

1351
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: to served. You know, that's a lot of fun when

1352
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: you get to observe dear behavior the way they're supposed

1353
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: to act when they're not being pressured. Um So that's

1354
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: a big part of it for me and I and

1355
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: I can't speak to a lot of other Western states, um,

1356
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: but I know Colorado um white tail wise, it's it's

1357
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: it's a secondary deer species. Yeah, well, and that's I

1358
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: just did a piece about this where you know a

1359
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: couple of situations where public land for white tails hunts

1360
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: better than private land. And it's there's such a pervasive

1361
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: mentality out there that you always got to get on

1362
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: private ground to have the best deer hunting possible. And

1363
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: one of the one of the examples I gave was,

1364
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's changing with Western white tails now

1365
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: to some extent because some of the states like North

1366
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: Dakota are really popular and people have their keyed into

1367
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: that velvet hunting so that it's leveled off somewhere. But

1368
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: there's still an element of you know, if you're in

1369
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: the state that has six, seven, eight, ten big game

1370
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: species that you might draw in a given year, the

1371
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: white tails usually not going to be super high on

1372
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: the list for a lot of people. And so those

1373
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: public land situations can be really, really good because people

1374
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: are looking for other stuff. Yeah, they can be money,

1375
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean. And with lots of Western states going, I mean,

1376
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: we've seen walking access in my neck of the woods

1377
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: just increased. Montana has the block Management program where a

1378
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 1: lot of these areas where white tails dwell are being

1379
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: opened up. You know, landowners are opening up um their

1380
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: property to the state Game and Fish and they're working

1381
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: together to create more access for hunters. And as that

1382
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: access is created, um, you know, guys and gals get

1383
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: a lot more opportunity. Um. I know, right here in

1384
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: my little neck of the woods two years ago, there

1385
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: was no walking access, zero you could not find walking access.

1386
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: We had some state land, but no walking access. Right now,

1387
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: I would say there is anywhere between seventy and eighty

1388
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: thousand acres of prime walking access, and of that of

1389
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: the at acreage, all of it is white tail. Now,

1390
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: there will be mule deer there too. There you might

1391
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: find some elk, roman a river bottom or a bear,

1392
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, those sorts of things. But when you look

1393
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: at it as a as a big game hunter and

1394
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: you start looking at where my neck of the woods

1395
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: and start looking at those types of things, you say, well,

1396
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: that's white tail habitats. Um, that's getting opened up. Um.

1397
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, I mean it's something that everybody should consider. Um,

1398
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: the seasons out west or you know, they're long. We

1399
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: have a we have a very extensive, very extensive seasons

1400
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: where you can chase these deer and and experience them

1401
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: at different points, um where where they are susceptible. I mean,

1402
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: it's it's it makes it really neat. Yeah. Well at

1403
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: that point there of you know that that being white

1404
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,440
Speaker 1: tailed ground with you know, the potential for some random

1405
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: you know, some small population mule deer, small population elk whatever.

1406
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to those places to hunt elk. Like maybe

1407
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: a local might get keyed in if they spot something,

1408
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: but no dudes loading up in Texas and driving up

1409
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: there and going, this is my elk spot there, They're

1410
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: just not gonna happen. And you see this too. I've

1411
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: seen this sometimes when I'm hunting western white tails. Is

1412
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: even on national forest national grasslands where there are viable

1413
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: populations of other species and people are drawn once in

1414
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: a lifetime elk tag or their meal deer hunting or something.

1415
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: They're they're not usually going and messing with those little

1416
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: concentrations of white tails along the bottoms and the rivers.

1417
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: And so even if it feels like there's a lot

1418
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: of people around you, if they're not targeting white tails.

1419
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 1: Where white tails live, you can have one hell of

1420
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: a hunt, even if they're the surrounding areas getting hit

1421
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: pretty hard. With other pressure, you can, you absolutely can.

1422
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: And And one other thing not to not not to

1423
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: get too concerned about because I've done a lot of

1424
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: walk in hunting in Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado. Um, you know

1425
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: a lot of guys will say, well, I don't want

1426
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: hunt white tails there because I know those areas are

1427
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: being opened up for bird hunters too. You know, there's

1428
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: there's dub seasons going on, there's quail, there's pheasants, there's

1429
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: guys accessing river bottoms and creeks for ducks and geese,

1430
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: ag for geese. That sort of thing. You know, that

1431
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: sort of thing is not something that you in my opinion,

1432
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: that you that you really need to that you really

1433
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: need to worry about. Yeah, you can pay attention to

1434
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: where guys are at and stuff like that, but it

1435
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 1: plays such a small role um in the over in

1436
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: my experience, Um, yeah, I've had a pheasant hunter walk through, um,

1437
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, but then twenty five minutes later, I've had

1438
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: four dos and a buck walk through. I mean, you

1439
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: just you just don't know. Because a lot of these

1440
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: Western deer are traveler there. They're they're big time travelers. Um.

1441
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of areas where, you know, they

1442
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: don't have a fifty acre block of timber that is

1443
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: instant that they can just stay in and run circles

1444
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: and live there. They they have very lots of areas

1445
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: that are very open. They change betting areas constantly. They

1446
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: move a lot, they get bumped, and they'll follow a

1447
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: pinch point for miles along a creek and then be

1448
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: somewhere completely different and be there for a while. So

1449
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, don't get too caught up in thinking that

1450
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: you know, oh gosh, you know, a bird hunter walk

1451
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: through and I'm done for the day. Just put stay

1452
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: put in and and you know, know that there's deer

1453
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: out there, and they're they're moving, especially you know during

1454
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: those rut times, and and and you'll you'll have success. Yeah. Well,

1455
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: and if as somebody who hunts pheasants a lot with dogs,

1456
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: I can tell you that deer are very tolerant of

1457
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: you if they think they're hidden, they you know. And

1458
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: and honestly, you know, observing general hunting populations as far

1459
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,839
Speaker 1: as as bow hunters for white tails or pheasant hunters,

1460
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: most people I see on public land are not working

1461
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: that hard. There's the there's sort of this message out

1462
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: there in the hunting media that if you're hunting public land,

1463
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: you're busting your ass, and it is just not true.

1464
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: There are people out there who are, for sure, But

1465
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: a lot of times when you if you looked at

1466
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: a you know, if you pull up on X and

1467
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: you look at a spot and you're like, okay, well

1468
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: there might be pheasant hunters in there. You can pretty

1469
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: much call your shots on where they're going to be,

1470
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: like you know where they're gonna hunt, and so okay, yeah,

1471
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: maybe maybe don't throw on the gilly suit and sit

1472
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: right in the middle of the c RP because that's

1473
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: probably where they're going to end up. But you can

1474
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: kind of predict that stuff. And no, and it is

1475
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this stuff's multi use, like you're

1476
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna deal with other people coming in for other things,

1477
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: but those deer are pretty used to that and they

1478
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: know how to avoid them. So okay, what are you

1479
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: gonna do? How are you going to get to where

1480
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: the deer going to be when those pheasant hunters run

1481
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: through there? Yep? Absolutely, And I you know, I've seen

1482
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: it a bunch too, where I watched a buck two

1483
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,759
Speaker 1: years ago, Um got bumped out of a little tamarack thicket.

1484
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: UM buy some some peasant hunters. They were pushing the

1485
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: creek bottom. I was in a tree stand about half

1486
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 1: a mile away. I was glassing them because I wanted

1487
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: to see what they were doing, how they were gonna

1488
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: use the terrain that sort of thing. How close that

1489
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: I thought they might get to me? And I watched

1490
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: him kick up this hundred thirty in white tail, and

1491
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: that buck literally ran along the edge of the creek

1492
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: for maybe fifty yards, went down in the creek across

1493
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: the creek, came up almost parallel to him on the

1494
01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: other side. They never saw him, and he walked back

1495
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: towards their direction and rebetted, and not in the same spot,

1496
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 1: but on the other side of the creek. In in

1497
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: the whole grand scheme of things, that buck didn't move

1498
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: two fifty yards from where he got bumped. And so

1499
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: thinking about that, if you weren't there and you were

1500
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: hunting deer where those guys happened to go through, and

1501
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: you you know, you weren't there in the morning, if

1502
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: that was a morning sit and you were planning an

1503
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:26,839
Speaker 1: evening hunter or something like that, nothing nothing bad really happened.

1504
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: You're gonna go in there. That buck is still gonna

1505
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: be within that two hundred or three hundred yard radius

1506
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: where you are sitting, and when he gets up and

1507
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: moves for the evening or goes to food whatever, you know,

1508
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: you can't over you can't overthink those types of things.

1509
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: And and like you said, that buck, who knows how

1510
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: many times he got bumped out of that tamarack patch

1511
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 1: by a bird hunter or a farmer coming in to

1512
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: check cattle or whatever. I mean, I think I don't

1513
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: know if this is true or not, but I kind

1514
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: of think that's one of the benefits of hunting public

1515
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: land white tails is because I've seen that happen many

1516
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: times to where it's like they if they reacted the

1517
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: way we kind of give them credit for, like, oh,

1518
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: that buck's gonna be out of here, and he's not

1519
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 1: coming back for a long time, Like, they don't do that.

1520
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: Like they get bumped a lot. Like if you if

1521
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: you look at some of these properties around my house

1522
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: here in the Twin Cities between just the people up

1523
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, with their dogs, hunting, woodcock hunters whatever. Yeah,

1524
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,440
Speaker 1: thin get bumped all the time. They always come back. Yeah,

1525
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot you can do with that and realize

1526
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: that those spooked here, they're not that bad. They're gonna

1527
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 1: come back around, like you said, And when you observe

1528
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: them in those situations, you see how they really function

1529
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: versus what we think. So it's so fascinating to to

1530
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: get like to get those lessons that teach you, Like

1531
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: I always thought they did this, and then I got

1532
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: to actually watch a buck get bumped in this situation

1533
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: and see his entire reaction to that, and see how

1534
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: how much less drastic it was. That stuff so cool.

1535
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: It's very cool. It's very cool to observe. And and

1536
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: a lot of times our perceptions are so far off,

1537
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: you know, to what we think, you know, to what

1538
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: we think happened and would actually happened. So you know,

1539
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: it's just sometimes, like we've talked about this before, you

1540
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: can be your own worsten to me out there. I

1541
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: talked to Mark about that all the time. I'm like,

1542
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: what we think we know, that's the enemy. I don't

1543
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: think he believes me, but I'm gonna convince him yet. Yeah,

1544
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 1: And it's true. I mean, it is the enemy because

1545
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: it changes our whole mindset and it can change our

1546
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: entire game plan about how we're going to go about things.

1547
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen I've had lots of buddies be like,

1548
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to go out this evening. Uh.

1549
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: You know, the rancher called me and a guy drove

1550
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: through there, and you know, they were wrangling up the

1551
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: horses on there, and I'm just I'm not even gonna

1552
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: go out now, it's not even worth it those deer

1553
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: two miles away. Uh. You know, you can, you can

1554
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: convince yourself of a lot of things, but if you're

1555
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: not out there, I mean, and when you do go

1556
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: out there, like you said, and you witness some of

1557
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: these things, and you see how those deer react to pressure,

1558
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: and you're like, whoa, that's so much different than what

1559
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: I thought that they would do. Or you know, it

1560
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: opens your eyes to a lot of things, and it

1561
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 1: it helps you, um not overthinking a lot of times. Yeah,

1562
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean I had back to back years I had situations.

1563
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 1: One one was on public here in the Cities where

1564
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: I had a woodcock hunter. I was watching a doll

1565
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: way out in the field. I had a woodcock hunter

1566
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 1: push it right to me and I killed her. And

1567
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: then the next year I had a doe and two

1568
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: funds come down go out and do a field. This

1569
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: was on private and then I heard that chug of

1570
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: a four wheeler goddamn it came in push that doll

1571
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: right in front of me and I shot her. And

1572
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: you know last year that buck I killed in in

1573
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: Iowa down there on public land, I bumped that buck

1574
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: out of his bed, he ran away, and I killed

1575
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: him an hour and a half later when he came back.

1576
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: You know, like exactly. It's it's real important to to

1577
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: see that stuff happen and experience it because it changes

1578
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: your entire outlook forever, because you go, this is not yeah,

1579
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, you jump them, they might not come back

1580
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: right like, you might not ever see him again, but

1581
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: it's not a foregone conclusion that it's going to go

1582
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: that way. And a lot of times we give these

1583
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: deers so much credit, especially Bucks, and be like, oh,

1584
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 1: they're like supernatural and they have a sixth sense and

1585
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: there's no way he's coming. I'm like, he lives there,

1586
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: he said, this is a rabbit with antlers that lives there.

1587
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: That's his home. He's coming back, And yeah, he might

1588
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: get a little bit a little bit trickier around that

1589
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: area to figure out, but it's not he's not hopping

1590
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: over to the next section. If they did that every

1591
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: time you jumped him, they would all die as year

1592
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,839
Speaker 1: and a half old because they'd be an unfamiliar territory

1593
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: constantly yep, yep, And they don't want to put themselves

1594
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: in that position. And you know it, it was neat

1595
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: for me last year. A guy in Nebraska that I know,

1596
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 1: not not that my buddy Tearing that I always hunt with,

1597
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: but one of his buddies. He has a he has

1598
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: a just a great farm out there, and he shot

1599
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: this year twice during archery season. He shot him once

1600
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: in October, and shot him again in November, and killed

1601
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: him with a rifle in December. And that was on

1602
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: like fifty acres. That buck never left there, and he

1603
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: had been shot twice with an arrow, survived and got

1604
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: killed opening morning a rifle. So to say, like, you know,

1605
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I never I'm never going to see

1606
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: that buck again. He's going totally nocturnal. He'll never he'll

1607
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: never be a day walker again. Yeah. Man, No, I

1608
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 1: don't buy it. I just have seen too much. I've

1609
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: heard too much. I mean you just yeah, yeah that.

1610
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that when I was I was

1611
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: doing an interview the other day. Um, when you start

1612
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: hunting public land, or you start hunting a lot of pressure, dear,

1613
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: it's amazing how often when you butcher them you find

1614
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: a you know, a muzzleta hole in, or an old

1615
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: broad head, or they've got some kind of serious wound

1616
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: to them. Yep, yep, they do that. They'll they'll have some,

1617
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: but like you said, a lot of them they have

1618
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: a home and that home is what they're most familiar with,

1619
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: and that's that home is where they feel the most comfortable.

1620
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: They know how to they know every nook and cranny

1621
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: of that area, as opposed to, like you said, wandering

1622
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: into a new area for the first time. I mean,

1623
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: how out of place do you feel when you go

1624
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: you know, when you go on the first time. Remember

1625
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: the first time I left here and went to Canada

1626
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: and just crossing the border to go hunt, I felt

1627
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: I didn't feel comfortable. I felt odd, I felt out

1628
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: of place. The territory. I couldn't see five ft in

1629
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: front of my face because the trees, and if it

1630
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 1: was an opening, it was freaking water. And I didn't

1631
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. Um, it's it's they're they're no different in

1632
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: those terms. I mean, you know, they moved to a

1633
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: new area and sometimes they get forced into that. Yeah,

1634
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: but when they do, they're not comfortable. Yeah, you want

1635
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: to talk about being uncomfortable. Grew up in the Midwest

1636
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: and then head to the Hunt of Colorado in August,

1637
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: you'd be like, well, there's a rattlesnake, there's some fire ants,

1638
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: here's a trantula hawk chasing me. Don't forget about the

1639
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: scorpions and the occasional black widow and the blonde. My

1640
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 1: buddy just got stung by a scorpion. Yeah, so much fun, man,

1641
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. Lots of good information. Uh.

1642
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the sheep that you kill. Uh,

1643
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: super stoke for you for that, man, I'm excited. Thanks

1644
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: for having me. Um always been a fan of this

1645
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: podcast and it was it was an honor to get

1646
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: to be on it. And yeah, I hope guys and

1647
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: gals can find some useful information there. And uh, I'm

1648
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 1: looking forward to the sheep Hunt hopefully. You know you'll

1649
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 1: be updated regularly as you know. Definitely. Well, good luck buddy,

1650
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: all right, but thanks. Well that's it for this week,

1651
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,480
Speaker 1: my friends. I have been your guest host Tony Peterson,

1652
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: and this has been the weird Hunt podcast as always,

1653
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. We absolutely love and

1654
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: appreciate all your support and we will see you right

1655
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: here next week for more deer hunting conversations and wisdom