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Speaker 1: This is On the Job, a podcast about finding your

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Speaker 1: life's work. On the job, is brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Express Employment Professionals. This season, we're bringing you stories of

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Speaker 1: folks following their passion to carve their own career path.

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Speaker 1: Lab work and science tech jobs are some of the

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Speaker 1: many unsung heroes of the pandemic. The problem with awesome

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Speaker 1: unsung jobs like this people don't know about them and

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Speaker 1: might be missing out on occupations they'd love working on.

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Speaker 1: Today we talk about those jobs as someone who loves

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Speaker 1: working in their field and is trying to make it

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Speaker 1: just a little bit more accessible for everyone. This season

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Speaker 1: on the show, we're talking to a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who work behind the scenes in tech, people who honestly

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Speaker 1: that most of us might not understand. Great, So hi

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Speaker 1: to me. Jay Gardner is one of those people. Jay Gardner,

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Speaker 1: I am thirty one years old. I am currently a

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Speaker 1: postdoctoral researcher at the Fox Chase Canter Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so what does that mean? Okay, it's on the most

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Speaker 1: basic level. I'm kind of trying to study the biology

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Speaker 1: a lot of complicated, fascinating things, as you're going to

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Speaker 1: hear in the show, but what she's exceptionally good at

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Speaker 1: kind of her whole thing is explaining it. So to start,

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Speaker 1: that are in its environment. So if you think of

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Speaker 1: the support, is what I'm studying. So when our bodies

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Speaker 1: an aerage state. You have definitely described that before. That

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Speaker 1: Talking with Jay, she immediately feels like that science teacher

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of great when I think about it,

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Speaker 1: It was also at this young age that her eventual

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Speaker 1: also the way you talk about them, you're obviously fascinated

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Speaker 1: Not rooting, but almost in a voyeuristic way, just like,

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Speaker 1: Now back to on the job. So while she's objectively

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Speaker 1: for On the Job, I'm Otis Gray. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: The season of On the Job is produced by Audiation.

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Speaker 1: The episodes were written and produced by me Otus Gray.

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