Speaker 1: Hello everyone, you're look you are listening eyes up here
Speaker 1: from the iHeart Radio Network or wherever you get your
Speaker 1: podcast with me with my co host Chad Chad. Yesterday
Speaker 1: was Christmas. Merry Christmas. How was your holiday?
Speaker 2: What did you do?
Speaker 1: What did you get? It?
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas? I got a lot. I'm loving that.
Speaker 3: This Christmas week has been very merry and full of cheer,
Speaker 3: and I'm glad be spending it with you today.
Speaker 2: This very merry Christmas.
Speaker 1: Treek today post Christmas Day.
Speaker 3: Yes yeah, post Christmas Day, December twenty sixth, For those
Speaker 3: who need to check your calendar.
Speaker 2: The twenty fifth is yesterday.
Speaker 1: I get to tous sometimes a day it's okay in together.
Speaker 2: I mean in the Queen's Kingdom.
Speaker 3: I mean they must shower you with gifts and food
Speaker 3: and all the trimming, so you know, I could see
Speaker 3: how you get confused.
Speaker 1: I got some really good gifts. I got to go
Speaker 1: to my great niece's house yesterday. They were hosting, and
Speaker 1: all we had to bring was dessert, which was very easy.
Speaker 1: I didn't even have to cook, and I got some
Speaker 1: good stuff. I really wanted a Donald Duck hoodie zip
Speaker 1: up hoodie for our upcoming Disney trip. So I told
Speaker 1: my husband, this is what I want. So I got that.
Speaker 1: I got a cute women's eagle shirt because you know,
Speaker 1: most of the men's shirts are balky, but this one's
Speaker 1: really cute for I'm fitting love it. I got a
Speaker 1: lot of good stuff. So it was a good day,
Speaker 1: and my kids were happy with their presence. And you know,
Speaker 1: just looking forward to the new year, and with twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four has the bring for us, so it's good.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be super busy in twenty twenty four. So yeah,
Speaker 3: really looking forward to it. You keep booking dates left
Speaker 3: and right.
Speaker 1: I mean so far there there have been several dates
Speaker 1: that have come in, and I'm very grateful for the
Speaker 1: opportunity to get out there and work, even in the
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this in the month of March
Speaker 1: on book three weekends, so that doesn't really happen that often.
Speaker 1: So and and if I play my cards right, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot more that's gonna get booked. So
Speaker 1: as always, I'll keep everybody post it. But you know,
Speaker 1: I just want to work now while I can, while
Speaker 1: ECW is still hot, while people are still interested. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be eighty three walking into a convey
Speaker 1: I mean no disrespect to those who do, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. You know, I'll be
Speaker 1: fifty two next year. I think I got a couple
Speaker 1: of good years left in me, especially if I take
Speaker 1: care of myself. So you know, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: A lot of good stuff ahead.
Speaker 3: Now, if you were fifty, if you were eighty three
Speaker 3: going into a convention, would you still strut like like
Speaker 3: Francine would?
Speaker 1: I would try my damnedest. I would get my walker
Speaker 1: and like every once in a while go like, pick
Speaker 1: up my walker and do a little kick, a little shimmy,
Speaker 1: little shake.
Speaker 2: How about the leather pants? Could the leather pants still
Speaker 2: be a thing?
Speaker 1: My ass can fit into them? I would still rock them.
Speaker 1: But I mean, who knows what the hell I'm gonna
Speaker 1: look like at eighty three. I hope I'm alive at
Speaker 1: eighty three, you know I did.
Speaker 3: I was this close. I wanted to get Liz a
Speaker 3: pair of leather pants for Christmas. I told you sure time,
Speaker 3: I want to see.
Speaker 2: I had them in the cart.
Speaker 3: I just didn't pull the trigger because I was like,
Speaker 3: where where's she going to wear them?
Speaker 1: Well? You guys go to like comedy clubs and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have anything like on a horizon, so
Speaker 3: they just I buy them for.
Speaker 1: Them to sit, so she wears it.
Speaker 3: Well, before I book something, you know, I will get them.
Speaker 3: But I was like, I'm not not going to get
Speaker 3: them for them to sit. I'll get them before we
Speaker 3: do something. But I think leather pants are in my future,
Speaker 3: not for me, but for her.
Speaker 1: I mean, they make your ass look like a peach.
Speaker 1: It's really nice.
Speaker 3: I think that's why I would love to add them
Speaker 3: to her repertoire.
Speaker 1: There you go, So yeah, I love them. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's another thing I was thinking of. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know I need I want to lose some weight
Speaker 1: because I think I had mentioned, like the birth control
Speaker 1: that I'm one made me gain five pounds. So I'm
Speaker 1: like kind of frustrated right now. So I'm kind of
Speaker 1: holding off until next year to buy clothes for these
Speaker 1: conventions and shows that I'm going for it because I'm
Speaker 1: very hopeful that I can lose five to ten pounds
Speaker 1: by then because I think I'll be off the pills
Speaker 1: and hopefully once I'm off, I can drop the weight.
Speaker 1: But it's really frustrating, Like, you know, you work so
Speaker 1: hard in the gym and you're doing your cardio and
Speaker 1: you're you're lifting, and then you go on this scale
Speaker 1: and you're five pounds heavier and it's not muscle. What
Speaker 1: the hell is going on? So a little pissed off
Speaker 1: about that. But I'm you know, I'm fighting a good fight.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get there and buy WrestleMania weekend. Hopefully my
Speaker 1: body will be where it needs to be. I'll just
Speaker 1: starve myself one I'll see what happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, either way, you know, get the job done.
Speaker 2: Whatever goes one way, the other root goes the other.
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do that because I love food.
Speaker 1: I mean, I ate yesterday, you know, because there's so
Speaker 1: much good food on the holidays. But it's it's rough.
Speaker 1: It's rough when a salad even blows you up. There's
Speaker 1: something going on. I'm still seeing the gi I'm still
Speaker 1: sitting in neurologies like there's so many things going on.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we don't have to talk about that. We're
Speaker 1: here for a reason today and we're diving into something different.
Speaker 1: This was the suggestion by a friend, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a I'd say it's a hot topic right
Speaker 1: now because this just happened like within the month. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna dive into an interview that we did in
Speaker 1: two thousand and what was it twenty one?
Speaker 2: Yes, you thought it was twenty one, yep.
Speaker 1: With Tammy Sich. And I really think this was the
Speaker 1: last interview that she did. I don't think she did
Speaker 1: any others after us, before the unfortunate incident in Florida happened.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go over this video. I don't think
Speaker 1: we're going to watch the whole thing, maybe just certain
Speaker 1: clips or whatever and go through some calm and just
Speaker 1: you know, because it's almost two years. It is two
Speaker 1: years since we talked to her last, right, wasn't this
Speaker 1: at the.
Speaker 2: End of the you know what, I'm actually going to
Speaker 2: pull up the exact date.
Speaker 1: So we have I'm thinking it was later in the year.
Speaker 3: So this is actually July of twenty twenty one, Okay,
Speaker 3: so that was, you know a little over then two
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because I knew we were planning to go
Speaker 1: to Russel Caid together and that is the weekend of
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving right in November, So this was like a couple
Speaker 1: months before, and we sat down and we talked to her,
Speaker 1: and you know, I got a lot of backlash from
Speaker 1: fans and from viewers for even conducting this video. So
Speaker 1: I can give my analysis. You can chime in when
Speaker 1: you want to. We can break it down and go
Speaker 1: over my thought process, you know. But I just want
Speaker 1: to say for the record, before we even start, I honestly,
Speaker 1: in my heart thought that she was on the street
Speaker 1: and narrow and that she learned her lesson. And I'm
Speaker 1: not justifying anything that happened in the past, what she
Speaker 1: did before this. I'm not saying that's okay. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I thought she was starting over, like with
Speaker 1: a clean slate, and I truly and honestly believed that
Speaker 1: she was going to be okay. So I want to
Speaker 1: get that out there because there was so many comments.
Speaker 1: We had almost four hundred comments on this video, and
Speaker 1: there were so many comments telling me that, you know,
Speaker 1: why are you sitting there talking to this person, Why
Speaker 1: are you laughing with her? Why are you giving her
Speaker 1: the time of day. I've known her for decades and
Speaker 1: decad She's a dear friend. Even with that said, I'm
Speaker 1: not justifying anything that she's ever done to don't take
Speaker 1: it the wrong way. I still believe in my heart.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me, this is hard for me to
Speaker 1: even talk about because I wanted the best for her
Speaker 1: and I did believe at that moment in my heart
Speaker 1: that she was going to do the right thing. So
Speaker 1: let me just say that before we get into it, Okay,
Speaker 1: just wanted to make that clear because I got so
Speaker 1: much backlash on this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember at the time a ton on Twitter.
Speaker 3: When we posted the interview, there was a ton of comments.
Speaker 3: We weren't really posting a lot on YouTube at the time,
Speaker 3: but we posted a preview of the episode. There was
Speaker 3: a ton of comments on that not favorable and saying
Speaker 3: why are you giving her a platform?
Speaker 2: Why are you doing this? And you defended this is
Speaker 2: my friend having a discussion.
Speaker 3: And as you'll see as we get through parts of this,
Speaker 3: you know, it goes back and forth, and we'll talk
Speaker 3: about it and see how you go back and forth
Speaker 3: between your Barbara Walters esque questions and your friendly banter.
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's it's a great kind of you know,
Speaker 3: almost split personality you have to go through to get
Speaker 3: through this, you know, hour which we also do have
Speaker 3: this hour in our iHeartRadio podcast library here, which we
Speaker 3: will point in the direction of later.
Speaker 2: On as well. So join us here as we start to.
Speaker 3: Dive into this little interview, with stoppages along the way
Speaker 3: to comment.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, and let me really really quickly, if this
Speaker 1: was just all doom and gloom, I don't think she
Speaker 1: would have wanted to sit and talk to me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, if it was just me
Speaker 1: just saying how horrible of a person you are and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, would you sit through that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think anybody would want to sit there
Speaker 1: and be be rated by a friend or a colleague.
Speaker 1: So let me just you know, I was trying. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to make light of anything that she's ever done.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the goal. I was just trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: get the good out of her, you know, tell some
Speaker 1: stories that maybe no one ever heard before, and you know,
Speaker 1: people might be interested in learning because we all know
Speaker 1: about the train wreck side. But there was so much
Speaker 1: good that I've experienced with her, and that's what I
Speaker 1: was trying to bring out. And I again, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to justify her having what aduis or killing somebody.
Speaker 1: And this was before the gentleman died, so keep that
Speaker 1: in mind as well. But the hate that I infuriated
Speaker 1: me because this was just me sitting down with a friend,
Speaker 1: you know, And you'll see how uncomfortable I am and
Speaker 1: how I try to to bring back the fact we're
Speaker 1: gonna be on the street and narratory. You're gonna be good, Tammy,
Speaker 1: You're you know, we're never going to go back to jail. Tammy.
Speaker 1: You can run it and you'll see what I mean.
Speaker 1: But you keep that in mind as you're listening before
Speaker 1: you judge me or throw stones at me.
Speaker 3: All right, So, Queen of Extreme, if you need me
Speaker 3: to stop, raise your hand or say pause, or say idiot,
Speaker 3: click the stop the video, and I will do whatever
Speaker 3: you need. Or I will also tell myself idiot, stopped
Speaker 3: the video. If I need to come, might I say
Speaker 3: the chats are looking very nice in this way.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call you an idiot. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call you a schmuck.
Speaker 2: Oh, schmuck, hey, schmuck.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: You know my daughter heard that on one of the
Speaker 2: videos and she left.
Speaker 1: She told me that was a naughty word. So I'm
Speaker 1: not to say it in your house anymore.
Speaker 3: I think she did right, Yeah, because you had a
Speaker 3: laugh once you heard you saying on another one of
Speaker 3: the videos.
Speaker 1: Nice, how are you? She's leaving already, She's gone, my son,
Speaker 1: natural light, It'll make you ever vencent.
Speaker 2: It will chase people off until I start talking.
Speaker 1: So I just got to keep my mouth, sweetheart. It's
Speaker 1: been it's been a hot minute since I've seen that face.
Speaker 1: How are you? Yes? Well, first of.
Speaker 4: All, get all dressed up. All my clothes are in storage,
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna t shirt.
Speaker 1: You look beautiful as always.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow to get some of it out.
Speaker 1: So listen, should we should we talk about the elephant
Speaker 1: in the room vaguely? Because is this your first interview? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so your first interview, first one since the vacation. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm honored I choose me, although I did badger her
Speaker 1: and I threatened her and told her I will never
Speaker 1: speak to her again.
Speaker 5: If she knows, Yeah, you did, he threatened me. She said,
Speaker 5: I will never to you again. Lyss I absolutely have
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 1: You not know me?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: My time?
Speaker 4: I want to do it first.
Speaker 1: They're very they're very effective, so you know, everybody knows
Speaker 1: the situation that you were in, right. Unfortunately, I asked,
Speaker 1: was this time different than the others? Did you go
Speaker 1: in with the different.
Speaker 4: Well, this, this was totally different. I got a driving on.
Speaker 5: A suspension and I'm suspended from the old DUIs. So
Speaker 5: it's a mandatory six months in jail on New Jersey.
Speaker 1: And how long were you in there for? Well?
Speaker 5: I did my six months for that, but that violated
Speaker 5: the probation I was still on in Pennsylvania, so I
Speaker 5: had to max out that time and that was matched
Speaker 5: out to May twenty first, so I did just over
Speaker 5: ten months and stuff.
Speaker 4: But I'm all done with that probation in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: They can't do anything else to me.
Speaker 5: That five years of them sending me back all the
Speaker 5: time for sneezing in the wrong direction is done.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, okay, are you clearing? Okay?
Speaker 1: I just sneezing in the wrong direction. That's why she
Speaker 1: keeps going back to jail for sneezing in the wrong direct.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is where it gets tricky. A lot
Speaker 1: of the comments say that she's making light of this
Speaker 1: whole situation. A lot if one word to go in
Speaker 1: our comments section, and read the four hundred comments that
Speaker 1: are there. A lot of people are saying it's like
Speaker 1: a joke to her, she's not taking things seriously, and
Speaker 1: you'll see as the as it progresses. I don't When
Speaker 1: she said that, that triggered me because I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: you don't go to jail for sneezing in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: You've done things that are not supposed to happen. You're
Speaker 1: breaking the ball. That's why you went to jail. So
Speaker 1: that was my first thought that came up. And we're
Speaker 1: only two minutes into this video, so now I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to sit here for an hour and try
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get her to I guess,
Speaker 1: have some remorse and not make it so light hearted. Right.
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm nervous about this because she's my friend.
Speaker 1: I don't want to piss her off. I don't want
Speaker 1: to upset her. But in the same token, it's like
Speaker 1: tough love, like I'm trying to tell her this isn't
Speaker 1: the right thing, Like you're screwing up and we need
Speaker 1: to fix it. So right off the bat, that comment
Speaker 1: triggered me. Just just letting you.
Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, my PM in Pennsylvania was horrible. And it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter what I would do.
Speaker 5: If I was a half an hour late for an appointment,
Speaker 5: she would violate me and stick me in jail.
Speaker 4: It was just bullshit. But I'm done with that. It's
Speaker 4: all over done.
Speaker 1: So you're done. You're done with PA. What about New Jersey?
Speaker 1: Are you good in New Jersey?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I'm good here, You're good everywhere.
Speaker 4: I just can't drive.
Speaker 1: I can't drive, Okay, we're good if I don't.
Speaker 5: If I do, when I get pulled over, it'll be
Speaker 5: another mandatory six months.
Speaker 1: Well, we're not going to get pulled over again, right,
Speaker 1: I just know we're not going to do that. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna fuck around with all that stuff. That's done.
Speaker 5: Well, the problem was last year I got a really
Speaker 5: pretty Jaguar F type convertible and I had to drive it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, you're smarter than this.
Speaker 4: I know. That's why I'm not driving now. Uber is
Speaker 4: my new best friend.
Speaker 1: Okay, well let's stop. So the comment that we got,
Speaker 1: one of the comments that we got is for this time.
Speaker 1: Mark great here timestamp when she said that Uber is
Speaker 1: her new best friend. You know, she got some problems.
Speaker 1: She did not stick to her words and yet did
Speaker 1: a horrible choice again by drunk driving with a suspended license.
Speaker 1: That's addiction and that's hard to overcome. People have been
Speaker 1: sympathetic to her, and she blew that all away. That
Speaker 1: was the comment I just commented back. It's sad to
Speaker 1: say you got a nice, pretty car and I had
Speaker 1: to drive it when you know you shouldn't be driving.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a chilling comment.
Speaker 1: If anything, No, No, so right then and there, And
Speaker 1: you can tell that I am trying without being a bitch,
Speaker 1: I am trying to let her know, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: can you see.
Speaker 3: That or is it just me you are I've stayed
Speaker 3: very steadfast in my belief of your just strong stance
Speaker 3: as a friend in this whole entire process.
Speaker 1: Then who loves this person and wants the best for them?
Speaker 3: Yes, a friend that does not give up on another
Speaker 3: friend and that you don't enable a friend. You give
Speaker 3: a friend tough love, and you you try to steer
Speaker 3: them in the right direction. This is what I see
Speaker 3: as a friend of a friend. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: The thing that that I've said over and over is
Speaker 1: you have to learn from your mistakes. So if you
Speaker 1: learned and you're moving on and you're you're being the
Speaker 1: best you you can be. That's all anybody can ever ask. Correct,
Speaker 1: when you went in jail this time? Yeah, uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know what number it was, But when you went
Speaker 1: in this time, and I love you, I can teach you.
Speaker 1: Did you go in with a different mindset? Like, because
Speaker 1: you know the first time, I'm sure you were scared shitless.
Speaker 1: I mean I would be. I would be any time
Speaker 1: because it's not that bad. Give me, give me an
Speaker 1: example of Okay, give me an example.
Speaker 5: To be a lot worse on TV than it actually is.
Speaker 5: So it's it's really not that bad.
Speaker 3: As somebody who's never been to jail. I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 3: I never want to go. So whether it's not that
Speaker 3: bad or it's really good, I never want to find out.
Speaker 3: So that's just me saying that.
Speaker 1: And the same with me and a lot of the
Speaker 1: comments that we got, because people are still pulling this
Speaker 1: video up now, a lot of the comments are saying, well,
Speaker 1: jail and prison are two different things. So if she
Speaker 1: thinks jail was a party, prison is not, and she's
Speaker 1: going to learn the difference. That's now. These are people
Speaker 1: who are claiming they went to jail and went to prison,
Speaker 1: like fans that are saying, I've been there. It's not
Speaker 1: you know again, why joke about it's not that bad?
Speaker 1: Of course it is unless you're just this big, lazy
Speaker 1: sloth who likes to lay on a mattress that's this thin,
Speaker 1: eat junk and do nothing all day and be isolated.
Speaker 1: If that's your thing, then I guess it's not that bad.
Speaker 1: But it would It would tear me apart to have
Speaker 1: to live like that for years and years. So I
Speaker 1: can't understand this logic at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, continue, it's doable.
Speaker 4: You can make it. Stop.
Speaker 1: Stop me, I'm gonna kill her. Give me an example
Speaker 1: of a typical day. Do you get woken up at
Speaker 1: the crack of dawn by a warden threatening you no, okay,
Speaker 1: what happened?
Speaker 5: Do you tell me you don't even have to wake
Speaker 5: up if you don't want to. But see, I'm diabetic,
Speaker 5: so they would come and wake me up before thirty
Speaker 5: every morning to do a sugar check and to give
Speaker 5: me a sun four thirty every morning.
Speaker 4: That's I had to do it.
Speaker 5: You know, it's a medical thing, so you have to
Speaker 5: do it. Then I'd go back to sleep for a
Speaker 5: couple hours, and then usually around eight o'clock is when
Speaker 5: they pop your door and you can go out and
Speaker 5: watch TV, and you know, breakfast comes and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: I didn't eat a lot of their food though, because
Speaker 4: the food's horrible. But yeah, and then but you don't.
Speaker 5: All you basically do is watch TV, play cards. You know,
Speaker 5: you can spell they if you want to.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of.
Speaker 5: Girls who color, like those adult coloring books that they're
Speaker 5: there coloring all they provide, like, no, you have to
Speaker 5: have that stuff sent in.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: But there's no like where I was anywhere, there's no
Speaker 5: like strict format of things you have to do.
Speaker 4: It's just yeah, you can be lazy or you can
Speaker 4: do something.
Speaker 5: I actually got a job in there so I can
Speaker 5: have something to do. So I was, and I got
Speaker 5: the best job in the jail because they trusted me.
Speaker 5: They knew I wasn't going to like run, so I was.
Speaker 5: I was cleaning the warden's office and the lobby and
Speaker 5: I got to take the garbage out by myself into
Speaker 5: the parking lot where all the cars are because they
Speaker 5: trusted me that I was going to come back and
Speaker 5: not like run down the story.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so fa.
Speaker 3: So that was a comment that from the beginning was
Speaker 3: very very scrutinized because people looked at that as why was.
Speaker 2: She getting special treatment?
Speaker 3: Was it because she had, you know, a little celebrity,
Speaker 3: was it, you know, because she is a little more
Speaker 3: you know, forthcoming, Like why why was she getting these
Speaker 3: great jobs?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: A lot of people also commented that they thought she
Speaker 1: was lying.
Speaker 2: And there's another I didn't even think of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people said she's lying. There's no
Speaker 1: way they would let a prisoner or someone in jail,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, walk out to where they
Speaker 1: can escape, which again I don't know. I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: say this on all of my videos. I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: You know, she did tell me before, like some times
Speaker 1: when she would go back into jail, because she was
Speaker 1: there multiple times, people would be like, hey, Sonny, like
Speaker 1: they knew her, like hey, girls, you're back or whatever.
Speaker 1: So maybe there were a couple of the wardens or whatever,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what they're called, the people who
Speaker 1: work there. Maybe they did have a little bit of
Speaker 1: a celebrity crush on her, and maybe she did get
Speaker 1: special treatment. But I know a lot of the comments
Speaker 1: said they thought she was straight up lying.
Speaker 2: Interesting, we'll never know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one part I remember specifically from the beginning.
Speaker 2: People.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my face says it all like, I know you
Speaker 1: guys can't see it, and you should go back and
Speaker 1: watch this on YouTube. But my facials are just like, please, girl, please, all.
Speaker 3: Right, let this run a little bit more about the jobs,
Speaker 3: and then we'll move forward a little bit more in
Speaker 3: the interview.
Speaker 4: Yep, I had a job.
Speaker 1: You're making time out. You're taking the trash outside by
Speaker 1: yourself to a parking lot. Is there? I envision a
Speaker 1: big gate with barbed wire that there.
Speaker 5: Is, But I go out the front lobby doors because
Speaker 5: I had all access, because they trusted.
Speaker 1: Well she Of course you have all access. Why if
Speaker 1: you wanted to run? Are you able to scale this
Speaker 1: wall and.
Speaker 4: Try where I was?
Speaker 5: There were no when I was going out to take
Speaker 5: the garbage out, There's no walls. It's just the parking
Speaker 5: lot on the street.
Speaker 1: You could have ran. You could have ran for your life. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I could have walked away.
Speaker 5: They probably wouldn't have realized I was gone for like
Speaker 5: twenty minutes, thirty minutes, but I didn't.
Speaker 4: Do it because if you get it, if you get
Speaker 4: an escape charge, it's like seven years in jail. So
Speaker 4: you don't want it.
Speaker 1: But here day, I mean, you're you're a very likable girl.
Speaker 1: I've known you for years, but I wouldn't trust you
Speaker 1: taking a sorry.
Speaker 4: And where the parking lot is.
Speaker 5: It's where all the CEO's park and all visitors park
Speaker 5: and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So it was very easy.
Speaker 5: If somebody wanted to drive up, open a car door,
Speaker 5: you can dive in and boom, you'd begune.
Speaker 4: Nobody would even know.
Speaker 1: Are you in an orange jumpsuit? No? What are you wearing?
Speaker 1: Are you wearing like a bikini? Like what is going
Speaker 1: on in these prisons?
Speaker 5: Maybe I would have gone out sooner, But no, you
Speaker 5: wear this like alpha.
Speaker 4: It looks like scrubs. It looks like medical scrubs.
Speaker 1: Oh, like like a hospital scrub.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, see I'm.
Speaker 1: Thinking you're in all orange, you're shackled, you got a
Speaker 1: big ball on your leg or you know, the color
Speaker 1: chained together, just getting.
Speaker 5: Like a burgundy color. So it looked like it looks
Speaker 5: like you nurse. If you didn't look close enough, it
Speaker 5: looked like a nurse.
Speaker 1: Was this the same jail that you were in before?
Speaker 5: M hm, So not the Pennsylvania one. I mean I
Speaker 5: was in Pennsylvania before, but this is the Jersey jail
Speaker 5: that I was in before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were in Okay, So when you walk in,
Speaker 1: you don't know anyone.
Speaker 5: No, this time, I saw some people that were there
Speaker 5: the last time. So you have friends, well, I wouldn't
Speaker 5: call them friends, acquaintances, jail acquaintances, jail buddies.
Speaker 3: All right, we don't you know, if you have jail buddies,
Speaker 3: that's that's not really something that you want. Maybe on
Speaker 3: the outside, if you see somebody at Walmart, Okay, you
Speaker 3: shouldn't really have jail buddies.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, she's going back to the same jail,
Speaker 1: and that's what my point earlier was. When she walked in,
Speaker 1: people remembered her, knew who she was. Whether it would
Speaker 1: have been another in me or you know, the people
Speaker 1: who guard I would assume because the span of her
Speaker 1: going back, I mean, wasn't it really short, like she
Speaker 1: she got out of jail and then she went back,
Speaker 1: and then got out and then she went back. It
Speaker 1: could be that there's people serving years and years there,
Speaker 1: so she could have left and then went back, and
Speaker 1: it's like the same people behind bars, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like that's a possibility or it's the same.
Speaker 1: Uh are they called wardens? Like what are they called?
Speaker 1: I don't even know, jail guards? I don't know, Okay,
Speaker 1: correction officer could be the same people working there that
Speaker 1: recognize her. I guess it's a good thing to have
Speaker 1: friends on the inside, you know. And maybe what she
Speaker 1: said prior is true. Maybe because they knew who she was,
Speaker 1: she did get perks. But I just find it hard
Speaker 1: to believe that they would just let somebody go out
Speaker 1: the the main door where they could just escape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but kind of jail, what is that?
Speaker 2: That's much like something on the Simpsons.
Speaker 3: It's a joke on the Simpsons that there's a revolving door,
Speaker 3: you know where they.
Speaker 2: Just come out. They go, hey, you promised to come back, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll be back.
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, do they do this for murderers and
Speaker 1: for you know, people like really hardcore criminals.
Speaker 3: Hey, rapists, just promise not to rape anybody when you
Speaker 3: go out forbid.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's that's scary to me that they you know,
Speaker 1: you could become friends with somebody in there and then
Speaker 1: you get these perks and you're just allowed to walk
Speaker 1: out the door. I don't find that. Uh, I don't
Speaker 1: know that. That scares me. That makes me nervous that
Speaker 1: anyone could just escape. What does that say for our system?
Speaker 1: Not much? So I this this bothers me, should bother you.
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, that's what is? What does that say about
Speaker 2: the was it was.
Speaker 3: This new Jersey that she's talking about, the new Jersey
Speaker 3: correctional system.
Speaker 1: That not much, not much at all. I don't like it.
Speaker 3: So moving forward a little bit up the timeline here
Speaker 3: in the you uh, she now starts to talk about how, yes,
Speaker 3: we've glamorized her stay a little bit in the interview
Speaker 3: and talked about perks that she has. So now she's
Speaker 3: going to talk about a few of the things maybe
Speaker 3: not so perkable in her stay.
Speaker 5: Okay, we're goofing around about it, laughing about it, glamorizing it,
Speaker 5: but it's not glamor glamorous at all. I mean, you
Speaker 5: have the worst products in the world. It's like dollar
Speaker 5: store shampoos and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You have to buy alcohol products girl mental health.
Speaker 5: No, but I'm saying that the cruis your mental health
Speaker 5: because you're using all this like this, these horrible products,
Speaker 5: and your hair gets shitty and your skin gets shitty,
Speaker 5: and you look in the mirror, which isn't even a mirror.
Speaker 4: It's like this polish.
Speaker 1: I can't, okay, excuse me. What's screwed with your mental
Speaker 1: health is being in jail. The fact that you are
Speaker 1: in jail screws with your mental health, not your dollar
Speaker 1: store shampoo. I cannot with this. Look at my face?
Speaker 1: Can you see her?
Speaker 2: I can see it.
Speaker 1: If you're listening, please go type in Tammy Sitch's list interview.
Speaker 1: My facials are worth the watch. I am so annoyed
Speaker 1: at this point. I'm just like, I'm trying to make
Speaker 1: it a point to talk about mental health. And my
Speaker 1: question was legit, you kind of you missed my question.
Speaker 1: I believe it was something like, how does this mess
Speaker 1: with your mind? How does this affect your mental health?
Speaker 1: And you went right into her answer and she talks
Speaker 1: about dollar store products. Yeah, messing with her mental health,
Speaker 1: but not being in jail. That's perfectly fine. It's the
Speaker 1: products and the shitty mirror because it's not really a mirror.
Speaker 1: It's like a foil reflection or whatever she's come on.
Speaker 1: I cannot agree with this statement. God forbid, I'm in jail.
Speaker 1: That's going to screw with my brain and my mental health.
Speaker 1: At this point, I don't care what I look like.
Speaker 1: I don't care if I'm using dollar General shampooy conditioner combined.
Speaker 1: Who cares. I care about being there and getting out
Speaker 1: and being a better person. I again, is she is
Speaker 1: she just saying this to be funny, trying to cover
Speaker 1: up real emotion that she doesn't want to show, because
Speaker 1: I you know, I didn't think she was gonna sit
Speaker 1: there and break down and cry. That's not Tammy. That's
Speaker 1: never been Tammy, you know what I mean. Like she
Speaker 1: doesn't she doesn't really want to wear her heart on
Speaker 1: her sleeve or show like emotion unless she got to
Speaker 1: a breaking point. You know. She was always like a
Speaker 1: tough New Jersey chick, you know what I mean, rying
Speaker 1: off her back didn't bother her, like, she just would
Speaker 1: laugh things off. And I feel like she's putting on
Speaker 1: a show when in reality, I think it was literally
Speaker 1: eating her alive, and she just didn't want to show
Speaker 1: it to me or to anybody, you know, And I
Speaker 1: was pretty close with her at this point. So I
Speaker 1: was getting annoyed because I feel like there's more to
Speaker 1: it than she's letting on, and I feel like she
Speaker 1: was holding back and it's not just for the sake
Speaker 1: of the interview. It's for the sake of her mental health.
Speaker 1: You have to let go. You have to admit when
Speaker 1: you're wrong, you have to admit you have a problem,
Speaker 1: because if you don't, it's gonna eat you up and
Speaker 1: you're never gonna get better. And that's what I was
Speaker 1: just trying to tell her, like, you know, this is
Speaker 1: not okay. We need to switch this around, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be much better. You still are young, you still
Speaker 1: have your whole life ahead at you. That was my point,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get it through her thick friggin head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm trying to run this as a very
Speaker 3: serious topic, but I could not help but laughing at
Speaker 3: looking at your face on our live broadcast here as
Speaker 3: I'm looking at you on this side and.
Speaker 2: Looking at you on the pause screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's frustrating because I love her and I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care when people get mad at me for
Speaker 1: saying that I love the girl even though she probably
Speaker 1: hates me. Now, I will always have love for her
Speaker 1: and I will always feel bad for her. Do I
Speaker 1: have sympathy? I'm at the breaking point now where it's
Speaker 1: it's enough is enough, It's too much and it went
Speaker 1: too far. And I've said it a million times. But
Speaker 1: do I have love for her. I've known her forever,
Speaker 1: She's a friend. I've been friends with her for years,
Speaker 1: She's been at my wa We've hung out so many times.
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna have love for her. It breaks my
Speaker 1: heart to see her go through this. And if you
Speaker 1: can't understand you listeners, if you can't understand that knowing
Speaker 1: how close her and I were and knowing that I
Speaker 1: have always defended her, but I'm also trying to make
Speaker 1: her realize how wrong she is, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: turn it help her turn it around. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to sit on my soapbox and say I'm
Speaker 1: the most perfect person in the world. No, that's not
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do. I'm just trying to be
Speaker 1: a friend here, and I've said this behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: let her know, like this is not acceptable behavior, and
Speaker 1: it just went in one ear and out the other.
Speaker 1: She's just made poor choices. You can't argue the fact.
Speaker 1: You can't disagree with me, You just can't.
Speaker 2: No, absolute you could hear it in my voice.
Speaker 1: I'm aggravated now. I was aggravated. Then I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: aggravated forever with this situation because I'm a friend and
Speaker 1: I love her, and I don't want her to be
Speaker 1: going through this. And that's how I feel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want her at the conventions, you want her
Speaker 3: next to you, You want her doing all these things
Speaker 3: that you get to experience now.
Speaker 2: Side by side.
Speaker 3: You don't want to have to see her in shackles
Speaker 3: and in ours jumpsuits and reading statements about remorse for
Speaker 3: all these horrible things. No, I completely get it. This
Speaker 3: is this is the worst situation. And this video is
Speaker 3: literally the point where it could have turned around and
Speaker 3: been the path to you know, the the promised land,
Speaker 3: and it just unfortunately didn't happen.
Speaker 2: All Right, that was one thing.
Speaker 3: I'm going to move forward because we're literally never going
Speaker 3: to get past the thirteen minute mark unless if we
Speaker 3: don't start to move forward.
Speaker 2: So let me pull up.
Speaker 1: It's just talking about products.
Speaker 3: Is that it's just get Yeah, it's going to be
Speaker 3: a little bit more about that, you know, and how
Speaker 3: hard it is to be slumming it out with the
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, the jail products that they provide to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think there's a little bit about the food.
Speaker 3: If memory serves correct, spoiler alert is not good.
Speaker 1: Well, she got special food. If you don't want to
Speaker 1: play it, I'll just tell you she got to eat
Speaker 1: pizza and burgers because they brought her special food. She said,
Speaker 1: so she was eating what the other inmates weren't eating.
Speaker 1: That's what she told us. But you can skip that.
Speaker 3: It must be nice, I mean, that must be nice,
Speaker 3: you know the Martha Stewart like jail stay.
Speaker 1: Let me just read one comment while you're looking this
Speaker 1: pissed me off to drinking and driving over and over
Speaker 1: knowing the lives that Rex is simply incredibly selfish, which
Speaker 1: I agree with. The person doing it says, all I
Speaker 1: care about is myself, you meaning me, this person. You
Speaker 1: should decide who your friends are, Francine, those who care
Speaker 1: about the lives of others. Also, and action show that
Speaker 1: these are hard decisions to make. But look at all
Speaker 1: the dead friends who were with these irresponsible people like
Speaker 1: this person. So now am I a bad person for
Speaker 1: trying to help my friend get on the straight and narrow.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of these comments, a lot of
Speaker 1: people telling me, you know, one guy said, oh, you
Speaker 1: should have helped her more than she wouldn't have killed
Speaker 1: the person, so like putting the blame on me for
Speaker 1: this happening. It's like you, what's that expression? You could
Speaker 1: lead a horse.
Speaker 2: To water, I can't make a drink, right.
Speaker 1: That's what I feel like, Like, I feel like I tried,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like an every day I wouldn't call
Speaker 1: her every day and say are you okay? Are you
Speaker 1: doing the right thing? But I would always like try,
Speaker 1: you know, every every week or something, try to be
Speaker 1: like are you okay? Is everything all right? And despite
Speaker 1: other people's one person saying all I did it for
Speaker 1: was to get bookings, like I can get my own bookings.
Speaker 1: I didn't need her to get bookings. I did it
Speaker 1: because I loved her and she was a friend of mine,
Speaker 1: and I would try and check on her and see
Speaker 1: if she was okay. But when you check on somebody
Speaker 1: and they constantly lie to you, I was over it
Speaker 1: because I'm like she's not even telling me the truth,
Speaker 1: you know, even when there were police reports out, she
Speaker 1: was trying to tell me she never got arrested again,
Speaker 1: and I was just like what. And I have the
Speaker 1: text messages to prove it, So there you go. But
Speaker 1: I'm sick of people telling me, you know, you're a
Speaker 1: shitty friend, or you shouldn't have been her friend, you
Speaker 1: should have cut her off years ago, and blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. That's not what a friend does. A
Speaker 1: friend tries to help a friend. And I thought she
Speaker 1: was going to change, and I can't emphasize that enough.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I have to say it.
Speaker 1: And now I'm pissed off.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let her run a couple of minutes more, actually,
Speaker 3: because I would, we'd get more to only fans and
Speaker 3: some of these other things a little bit down. Let
Speaker 3: me let this run a little bit more.
Speaker 5: Sure, piece of steamless steels so you can't really see yourself.
Speaker 5: But then I go and I do my cleaning and
Speaker 5: like the offices and I look in the real mirror
Speaker 5: in their bathrooms and I'm like, oh my god, this
Speaker 5: is just horrendous, you know.
Speaker 4: So it really does fuck with your head.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you just you know that's then you just
Speaker 5: like prey that you know, a full spotting and a
Speaker 5: hydrofacial will fix everything when you get out, Like.
Speaker 1: Are you with like major criminals? Are there? Are there
Speaker 1: girls that have like committed murder or I hate this skin? Okay,
Speaker 1: you away from these girls, No, you're You're around them
Speaker 1: the whole time.
Speaker 5: Basically, there was one girl there, she's already been there
Speaker 5: six years, leaning on trial. She's therefore killing her girlfriend,
Speaker 5: chopping her up into little pieces and burying her in
Speaker 5: the backyard. And the girl, the woman's daughter, is still missing.
Speaker 2: It's lovely, right, I.
Speaker 1: Can't hear that story. It makes me sick to my stomach.
Speaker 2: That's I should have jumped over that. That's lovely in
Speaker 2: the morning.
Speaker 1: You know, details, details, disgusting, disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want me to skip over it.
Speaker 1: I mean you could play it so they know. I'm
Speaker 1: just covering my ears. I don't want to hear. Put
Speaker 1: your hands up when it's done, so I know it.
Speaker 1: It's done, so.
Speaker 4: We don't know exactly what happened to the daughter.
Speaker 5: Then there's another one that was there, the Spanish girl who.
Speaker 4: This is like disgusting.
Speaker 5: She videotaped her boyfriend and her nine month old bab
Speaker 5: These are the well I was in there with And
Speaker 5: all I did was drive a car when I wasn't
Speaker 5: supposed to.
Speaker 1: Where's the boyfriend at is he in jail?
Speaker 4: Yes, he's there with her.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, see that with children. I can't. Like,
Speaker 1: that's just too much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody just kind of avoids her, and it's just
Speaker 5: it was disgusting. It was absolutely gusting when I find Like,
Speaker 5: when I got there, I didn't know what she was
Speaker 5: there for, and she's being all nice and she's Spanish
Speaker 5: and talking in Spanish and stuff like that, and then
Speaker 5: somebody told me what she was there for. I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, yeah I do. All I did was
Speaker 5: drive a car, and I'm here with these kind of people.
Speaker 5: And there was three other girls that were there for murder.
Speaker 5: One she was seventeen at the time. She was already
Speaker 5: there for three years. She was seventeen at the time.
Speaker 5: She had a baby at home, dressed the baby up,
Speaker 5: took pictures of the baby, sent it to all her friends,
Speaker 5: and then smother the baby, put it in a duffel
Speaker 5: bag and throw it in the dumpster. Oh and these
Speaker 5: are the ton of people I'm in there with and
Speaker 5: all I did was drive a car.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. As a mother, I can't even I
Speaker 1: love my kids.
Speaker 5: I'm not even a mother, and I can't even fathom no,
Speaker 5: I know, Oh my.
Speaker 4: God, that's awful.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah, you hear all.
Speaker 4: It's not a fun place. That's why. That's why I
Speaker 4: try to get a job so I can get out
Speaker 4: and spend half the day.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, stop this is We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: do two parts. We're never going to.
Speaker 4: Get through this.
Speaker 1: This would affect my mental health being there with people
Speaker 1: like that. That would make me insane. That would drive
Speaker 1: me insane. Rather for her to compare shampoo conditioner, bad mirrors,
Speaker 1: but she could talk about this side and it doesn't
Speaker 1: even affect her. How does one comprehend this like that?
Speaker 1: That kind of thing would would physically make me ill
Speaker 1: every day. I couldn't even fathom being around people like that, because,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe because I'm a mother and I have children,
Speaker 1: and God forbid, like the first thing I would do
Speaker 1: is kill myself before my kids would even you know,
Speaker 1: anything would happen to my children like I would prevent
Speaker 1: it by by hurting myself before my children. You get
Speaker 1: what I mean. Any good parent would do something like that, right.
Speaker 1: I could never be around people who would harm a child,
Speaker 1: especially their own kids. That infuriates me to the point
Speaker 1: where it makes me sick to my stomach, and it's
Speaker 1: making me nervous talking about it, Like I'm getting so
Speaker 1: riled up. That is not even affecting her. She's telling
Speaker 1: these stories like, oh my god, this one did this
Speaker 1: and this one did this. But she has more passion
Speaker 1: talking about hair products. But look at what it's doing
Speaker 1: to me right now. It's making me so angry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting so worked up over this. Is this such bullshit?
Speaker 1: And this is this is the part of the interview
Speaker 1: that made me sick and I hated it. I can't
Speaker 1: wrap my brain around how she's thinking or her logic
Speaker 1: to this whole thing. Like that's why I don't understand,
Speaker 1: Like is she putting on a show? Is this an act?
Speaker 1: Like what is going on? Don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: she's trying to be cute. I don't get it.
Speaker 3: I feel like we had more of Sonny than we
Speaker 3: did Tammy. If that's the way you want to look
Speaker 3: at it then, Yeah, because I kind of.
Speaker 2: Felt that way too.
Speaker 3: You don't glamorize the fact you had a bad hair
Speaker 3: product and bad skin product part of your stay in
Speaker 3: jail and then be like, oh, yeah, we had to
Speaker 3: stay away from the baby murderer and this and that.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, you know what's funny, I'm never going
Speaker 3: back to jail because I was next to baby murderers,
Speaker 3: you know, like, and I'll take the bad hair care products.
Speaker 2: So I don't have to be by the baby murderer.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, I'm trying to have a
Speaker 1: you know, a realistic conversation about your mental health and
Speaker 1: what triggers mental health when you're in a jail or
Speaker 1: prison setting. She's triggered by freakin' dollar store products, but
Speaker 1: she's not triggered by these criminals who are harming children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to comment for you. If somebody said, Francine,
Speaker 3: you can tell, you can tell. You have it all
Speaker 3: together way more than Sunny. Stundy is more consumed with
Speaker 3: products and not upset at her seventy uy's. It's a
Speaker 3: shame because now someone has died and she's done.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't I haven't watched this in a
Speaker 1: very long time, so this is triggering me, and I
Speaker 1: can't understand where she's coming from.
Speaker 2: Break it up for sure, just.
Speaker 1: To talk about this without flinching, but getting upset at products.
Speaker 1: You could see my facials when she was telling the story, like,
Speaker 1: I just covered my ears. I couldn't even listen to
Speaker 1: it a second time. Once was enough for me. But
Speaker 1: I remember it, and I remember it made me nauseous,
Speaker 1: It made me sick to my stomach, and I didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear any more about it. Fuck, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like, and again, maybe it's because she's
Speaker 1: not maternal and I am because I have children. Some
Speaker 1: people aren't. But harming another human doesn't get you, but
Speaker 1: fringing cheap dollar products get you. Like that doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense to me. This is why I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, does the mental illness factor
Speaker 1: come in that she talked about in prison recently? You know,
Speaker 1: the being bipolar being I don't. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: what they said she was. Was schizophrenia in there? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Was it just bipolar and depressionatic depression?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the things were. But are these
Speaker 1: traits signs of off kilter with your brain? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I can't justify what she's saying.
Speaker 1: I don't get it, man, I just don't get it.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I think you are correct. I think maybe
Speaker 3: we should break this up into a second part because again,
Speaker 3: really sixteen minutes seconds in.
Speaker 1: Sixteen minutes of me being angry.
Speaker 3: And again, you know, once we get past about the
Speaker 3: twenty five minute mark, you guys start to talk about
Speaker 3: some of your fun memories.
Speaker 2: And going to Fort Lauderdale together and hang it out.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if we dive in deeper and
Speaker 1: find other things that we can talk about, we'll do
Speaker 1: a part two. But this, this was the gist of it.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to get in her brain and
Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about what she went through.
Speaker 1: And I really didn't learn that much because I don't
Speaker 1: know what's fact and what's fiction. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I really don't and I don't know. I mean, you
Speaker 1: guys can have your take on it, but it's it's
Speaker 1: super frustrating just because I and everybody says to me,
Speaker 1: why do you say she's a good person, because the
Speaker 1: timey I knew and the timey I hung out with
Speaker 1: years ago was a good person. The timing I was
Speaker 1: with that Russell Kate was a good person to me.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there when she did all this other stuff,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that she did in her life were wrong. A
Speaker 1: lot of the things she told me she never did,
Speaker 1: a lot of the things with Chris she told me
Speaker 1: weren't true. Who do I believe? Do I believe her
Speaker 1: or do I believe everybody else? It's hard when it's
Speaker 1: your friend. You want to give them the benefit of
Speaker 1: the dell, you know, you want to believe in them.
Speaker 1: You want to help them. That's all I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: just wish these fans would stop chastising me for trying
Speaker 1: to help a person, trying to be a friend to
Speaker 1: a person, because sometimes all one person needs is somebody
Speaker 1: to believe in them, and if they get that, sometimes
Speaker 1: they turn their life around. Unfortunately, I wasn't her person,
Speaker 1: and it you know, it didn't matter what I said,
Speaker 1: because she was going to do her own thing anyway.
Speaker 1: So that that's where we're at, and that's it.
Speaker 3: You're a good friend, and I want you to know
Speaker 3: that as we wrap this up, you're a good friend.
Speaker 3: I've seen nothing but passion. I've seen nothing but you
Speaker 3: doing all you could in this video. Everything we've covered,
Speaker 3: you know, the tears that you shed today, but additionally,
Speaker 3: when we covered the dark side of the Ring episode
Speaker 3: this past summer, and there's nothing more that you could
Speaker 3: have done. And even though I could even say when
Speaker 3: she came out of jail and we were recording shows,
Speaker 3: and you know, you told me what was going on,
Speaker 3: and you know, after she went back in, I saw
Speaker 3: the passion.
Speaker 2: So you are a good friend.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. I just I'm so sick of
Speaker 1: fans telling me how crappy I am and I'm a
Speaker 1: bad judge of character and all this stuff. And it's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, I just I tried. I just
Speaker 1: tried to be there for her. And I would do
Speaker 1: it for any of my friends. I would do it
Speaker 1: for you. I would do it for any of my
Speaker 1: friends who I care about. And sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: show tough love. You don't always get the results you want.
Speaker 1: But at least I know in my heart that I
Speaker 1: tried to be there for her, and I tried to
Speaker 1: help her and it just didn't work out. And it's frustrating.
Speaker 1: But you know again, fifteen years is a long time
Speaker 1: if she's able to get out, and what if sixty five,
Speaker 1: sixty six years old or something, she'll be Hopefully she'll
Speaker 1: be healthy enough to enjoy the rest of her life
Speaker 1: and walk the street and narrow and learn from this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so much like that horse that you led to
Speaker 3: the water, you could tell those fans, like a wise
Speaker 3: man once said to a group of people, before they.
Speaker 2: Can all kiss yours? Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1: How about that? All right?
Speaker 3: Well, listen can wrap it up for twenty twenty three
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 2: We will not be back.
Speaker 3: Until twenty twenty four on the iHeartRadio airwaves. So looking
Speaker 3: back on the first you know, month and change here
Speaker 3: with iHeartRadio, I think it's been great.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts so far, Queen of Extreme.
Speaker 1: I'm just super excited for twenty twenty four and the
Speaker 1: content that we're providing. I think, you know, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: help spread the word. Follow us on iHeart if you
Speaker 1: haven't subscribed where you get your podcasts, we appreciate you guys,
Speaker 1: and if you have any suggestions, on what we should
Speaker 1: do in the future. Please leave a comment, leave a review,
Speaker 1: let us know what you think of us, and we
Speaker 1: are open to all suggestions and ideas and we just
Speaker 1: want to get better and we want to provide you
Speaker 1: the best wrestling podcast that you can listen to. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited for the future.
Speaker 2: Agreed.
Speaker 3: If you like this kind of topic, you like this
Speaker 3: kind of content, just tell us we do something similar.
Speaker 3: We have things we can dive into and we will.
Speaker 3: We'll dive. We'll go head first as long as there's
Speaker 3: some water. We don't dive if there's nothing there. We'll
Speaker 3: dive if there's stuff, and trust me, we will. So Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you want to follow me on social media, it's
Speaker 3: at Chad E and B on Twitter, at IB Exclusives
Speaker 3: on Instagram. My website is Ibexclusives Dot. There's a lot
Speaker 3: coming in twenty twenty four, so stay tuned to that.
Speaker 2: And catch us on the YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: The Queen of Extreme Francine's YouTube channel is loaded with
Speaker 3: great content. She will tell you all about it here
Speaker 3: in just a second. But if you love us on iHeartRadio,
Speaker 3: you will get your fill on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah. YouTube is gosh, we have hundreds of videos. Content
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Speaker 1: We're gonna hit ten k really soon. If you want
Speaker 1: to be a channel member, it's five ninety nine extra
Speaker 1: content that only you get to see. I do want
Speaker 1: to plug something. New Year's Eve is coming up and
Speaker 1: I will be doing my third annual virtual one Signed
Speaker 1: by Superstars. Last year was absolutely insane that my husband
Speaker 1: was texting me to slow down because I got a
Speaker 1: little tipsy. I'm expecting it to be another debacle this year,
Speaker 1: So if you want to come and watch me, you
Speaker 1: just go to Signed by Superstars dot com. You can
Speaker 1: pre order eight x tens. I'll have ring worn memorabilia.
Speaker 1: We're gonna spin the wheel. It might be like a
Speaker 1: truth or Darek kind of thing. You get to pick
Speaker 1: what I do. Yeah, it's crazy, It's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1: So for more info, yeah, just go to sign by
Speaker 1: Superstars dot com. And if you want to follow me
Speaker 1: on social media, you can find me at ecwdva Francine,
Speaker 1: I want to wish you all a very blessed New
Speaker 1: Year's even New Year's Day, and I hope that twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four brings you everything that your heart desires. We
Speaker 1: appreciate you, guys, God bless I hope you're staying safe.
Speaker 1: I hope you're staying healthy, and most of all, I
Speaker 1: hope you're streets they t