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That was weird? 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.120 Back with you the Fantasy Bests Forever, Fantasy Sports Radio Network. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.280 You don't think we're doing a great job? Was it 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.360 a pretty good job? I mean it's probably because you 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.640 have some scruff, you know, That's what it is. That's 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.240 why you're doing a great job. It's like the nicest 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:18.039 you've been to me in months. Yes, because the knock coincidental. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.440 Once that goes, I mean, I'm gonna find something to 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.320 bash you about. You very dipper today. Greg. You have 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:28.520 a little roll up action going on with your sweater. 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.440 Nice button down. I know, like this this is one 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.640 of my favorite shirts. Actually, that's my favorite sweater wear 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.080 that like a T shirt under here and that a lot. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.399 They fit very well. I would like to buy more, 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.440 but they're just like really expense its republic sale republic 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:48.560 like the polar stuff. We're pretty similar shirts. Yea, we 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.320 look good. One might say we both look like picnic tables. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:53.680 I always is it weird? I have a shirt like 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.600 this and a shirt very similar to this. I always 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.040 say it looks like Eastern when I wear them. Okay, yeah, 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:59.680 I can see this, see that, especially this too. It's 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.800 like per bowl. It's like, yeah, a pastel. That's the 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.760 term that they use, like these bright springy type colors. 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.560 Speaking of spring, a snow on the ground, Greg, how 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.720 about that? Oh god, the boots are packed. Had to 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.200 be back to us, had to be back the male 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.800 lugs the mugs wrong, I didn't even notice. Still right now, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.680 I would have started off the show bashing you instead 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.800 I had I had the scruff though, you know someone, 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.480 I'm like a walking ad for Polo today. Actually, yeah, 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:32.799 didn't have a Polo boots. Polo boots. You are un jeans? No, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.399 not jeans, sorry, Greg, I mean we're best friends. Don't 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.880 have to wear the same exact things. Well, I'm not 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.560 gonna wear mugs, I'll tell you that much right now. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.560 That's a steak by you. Do you want to try 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:48.200 them on after the show? Trying stinky male ugg boots, stinky, 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:55.079 very comfortable try? How was that was your combine show 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.840 last week with venture? Jim Day? Was good? Are you 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.200 getting h You know something that I contemplated texting someone 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.080 today and I didn't. I don't know why. I probably 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.519 just forgot. What else is new? Right, Frank forgetting to 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:12.720 text someone? Um? This whole like NFL Combine Twitter, it's bad, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.880 like all the oh DK Metcalf, Oh he's gonna be 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.160 the Nick Tuleo Jones projections. Did you see him in 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.680 a cone? The three cone drills? Worse than Tom Brady? 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:27.400 Oh my god? Like stuff is crazy. I will say, 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.679 someone like the defensive linemen who were wearing like sub 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:34.560 four fivelous what's ridiculous? So it's funny. I did see 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.040 a tweet today, Umm, espn Jude's ran on who was saying, yeah, 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.520 like you saw it doing Hassan's in the forty, which 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.400 is bad. But like the most important thing is the 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.760 giants like their meeting with him, and that's all that matters. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.120 What was Daniel Jones is forty, Greg, that's the next quarterback, 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.680 the next quarterback of the New York Giants are the Giants, 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:54.040 and that's gonna make a trade here? Come on, Greg, 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.960 I don't think so. And the Giants will sat I 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.680 mean they don't ever, Like when was the last time 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:00.440 they moved up? I know, like they never did it 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.400 with them and now that so they never traded down 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.120 with Reese, not in the first round, but they did 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.800 trade up. They traded up for Landing Collins. Actually that's correctly, 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:13.920 just let walk away. They're not gonna bring him back now. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.360 One's like they're deadline to franchise tag him this week. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.839 There right a few bodies of mine, you know them, Robin. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.560 They're big Giants fans, also big Landing Collins fans, of course, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.559 So if he leaves, very bad. So basically I wanted 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.919 to say that his worst nightmare would be Landing Collins 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.800 in a Cowboys uniform, which might happen because they need 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:38.040 a safety. Greg. This is a disaster. I'm sorry that 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.320 I opened up that possibility for you. So what's gonna ultimately, 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.560 what's gonna happen is the Giants, and rightfully so, they 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.479 want a franchise tag him because he's hurt. They don't 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:47.800 want to make him one of the highest pace safeties 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.920 in football. He wants to be one of the highest 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.880 pace safeties in football, so they says his franchise tag him. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.320 In a act of anger, he cleaned out his locker 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.040 and think he used to get franch franchise tag and 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.160 said this and showing up you franchise to I mean, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.840 I'm not showing up to September and the Giants have 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.040 been like, yeah, we don't want to deal people that 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:09.240 don't want to be here. I think you watch Giants 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.400 Kings closer than I did last year. How did he perform? 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:13.960 I feel like I didn't hear his name much. Listen. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:15.160 I mean, he wasn't as good as he was in 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.320 his All Pro year the year before. But he's the 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.160 leader of the captain of the defense, and he's good. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:21.520 I mean, he's as good as any player the helle 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.960 on the defense, which isn't much. All right, Well, sorry, Bud, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.520 Hopefully he doesn't end up in Dallas, Cowboy. How about them? 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:34.640 Gabo Baseball, Greg Lesball, Do you do you want to 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.560 say anything else? On Paxton before you get to tie on, 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.680 come on to hear more in taie On as well. Um, No, 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:42.680 look the I think the home run stuff scares me 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.200 a little bit. The hard hit rate was very high 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:45.960 last year for Paxton as well. It was just kind 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.480 of a weird season, like pitched with three seventh six 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.680 ear right, two hundred eight strikeouts and only underd and 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.160 sixty and a third. It's pitched like that's phenomenal. If 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.040 this guy could go one on eighty. I mean you're 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.640 looking at like two twenty strikeouts from James Paxson, so 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.120 I get that upside. I drafted him in the fourth 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.520 round of the Great Fantasy based Invitationals, that is, in 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.760 a fifteen team draft. I could let you know some 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.919 pictures that I took him over. I took James Paxson 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:11.680 and and then the next two picks in this draft 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.760 were Stephen Stratford and jameson Tyon. Um. I will say 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:20.600 if Clevinger was there, might have made the decision a 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.920 little bit more difficult. Have those guys ranked back to 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.600 back with with Paxiston and Clevinger, But I do have 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.680 Paxson rank once about higher, so I like I like 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.320 him in this range. Do you ever lean toward the 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.320 do you ever lean toward the National League? What are saying, hey, 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.600 thailands here obviously passion, you know, there's there's not really 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.360 there was Actually I know there was members that came 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.520 out last year around this time when we were talking 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.160 about Garrett Cole Grant when everyone was saying, oh, well 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.960 Garrett Cole going from Pittsburgh to Houston. Um, you know, 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:49.840 it's much tougher in the A L. And I believe 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:53.039 it was Todd Zola who tweeted out the differences between 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.480 E R A in leading has like it's not a 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.800 thing anymore, Like it's actually very imparable. Ear ras between 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.520 National League pitchers and American League pictures. Well maybe, you know, 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.200 maybe there's just better pictures in the American League. I 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.280 don't know if that's necessarily the case. I think like 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.360 there's really good pictures on both sides because obviously Sergers 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.560 in the National League and de Groms in the National League. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.360 So um, yeah, the e rais and both leagues are 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.400 actually quite comparable. So I don't think the A L 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.080 versael thing is uh is much of a myth. I 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.880 will I will say, you know, regarding Paxton leaving Safeco, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.280 he has been much better in Safeco in his career 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.720 than he has been outside, so you see what happens. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.920 But he is a super talented picture and um, you know, 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.920 the Yankees in terms of like analytics and and you know, 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.720 developing pictures, they've done a little bit better of a 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.440 job obviously with guys like Severino over the past couple 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.360 of years. So I think that they'll be able to 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:49.880 like mitigate Paxton's deficiencies, if that makes sense. I think 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.920 that makes sense. I think that that makes Holly. That's 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:54.760 not just a Yankee fan of me talking like who 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.840 would you like? Would you rather have Paxton? Or to me, 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:02.920 there's like this group of Clevinger I own, um Flaherty 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.840 and Corbin who were all kind of going right around him, 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.480 who might be safer for ending s pitched. But like 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.920 any basis, Packson will be better than those guys. Probably, yeah, probably. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:14.760 It's basically just like what do you want? Do you 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.480 want like a hundred ninety endings of Jamison Tyne giving 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.800 you a three whatever three six e r A with 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.120 a solid whip, like a one point one five whip, 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.240 and you know, maybe a hundred and eighty strikeouts or 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.840 do you want a hundred and sixty maybe hundred seventy 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.920 pitched of James Paxson with maybe a little bit of 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.080 a better e r A and way more strikeouts? Right? 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.480 Like two strikeouts? So you just you kind of have 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.319 to ask yourself, like what do you want? More strikeouts 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.719 are a little bit harder to come by it, but 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.319 of course you need help. You need healthy in the 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.559 rotation too, So why can't the answer to be Patrick 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:53.280 Corbyn who's giving you the strikeouts? Right? Probably I just 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.520 kind of let you inside the mind of Frank. Look 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.080 what Maddie Mos said. I can't really disagree with, right, 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.719 Like he's doing something differently, but like taking away the 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.640 fact like he's not using his fastball and his other 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.839 pitches as much and he's throwing a slider forty of 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.400 the time, So maybe just throwing it more makes it 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.120 that much better of a pitch hadn't been something that 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.000 I really considered. I don't know, man, I just kind 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.360 of feel it, like I feel like we're just paying 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.640 for the career year from last year. He's good. He 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.960 is good like he was he was awesome, Like every 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.760 metric was like second best in baseball behind Serzer. What 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.480 else he's looking for? You could have him, Greg, I'm 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.040 going to have problem with that on the team that 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:34.920 we share together. I don't really want him. Really, no 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.280 team will share together. I don't I don't really want Corman. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.600 I don't know. I did. I gotta feel it. Maybe 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:44.319 maybe it's not warranted. I don't know. Okay, okay, you 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.000 mentioned Jack clar in this tier as well, and I 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:48.600 get the tie on thing right. We talk a lot 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.000 about James Paxton here just now. James Flaherty is, without question, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.040 also were Jack Flarerty excuse me, is of course in 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:59.480 this tier. Flowerty is the twenty three pitcher on the 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.040 ward right now, and we'll get to Zachary and and 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:06.000 Clevinger as well. Flaherty and Irish last name, Yes, I 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:10.199 don't know, like oh Flarherty's that's exactly. How like when 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.160 when you're calling out Jackie, I just imagine like an 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.280 Irish guy, like, hey, Jackie boy, JACKIEO Flaherty, what a 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:20.719 jack Jackie boy? I'm doing Like Canadians, we're both thereout 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.760 that Irish jacton not so good Jack Flaherty, Jackie, You're 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.559 going off the board. So I imagine people say his 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:29.760 name though, big Jackie O Flaherty, Uh going back off 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.320 the board. Um, and we just lost our Irish listening 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.000 audience that much of them. Um Back to back here, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.280 Clevinger is like, I'm not from twenty three and me 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.199 I'm actually very Irish grade. So you can say you 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.600 should have been people Irish. Would you like Jack Flaherty 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.400 just flat out do you like Jack Flaherty? Um? I 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.960 do like Jack Flaherty. I think he has the ability 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.760 to turn into an ace based on some of the 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.120 underlying skills here. I mean a thirteen point four percent 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.400 swinging shrike rate. We're talking about that in the same 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:02.480 range as Luis cast again with with Noah Syndergard. Now, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.680 he didn't go enough Annings last year to qualify as 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.480 a qualified starting pitcher Jack Flaherty, that is, but a 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.640 strike out that was top ten among starting pitchers last 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.719 year as a rookie. That's pretty impressive. Tween strike rade 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:20.480 is there pur with a sweeping slider. Both pitches were 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.800 ranked inside the top twenty in fan grass in terms 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.040 of pitch values. So he's not one of these guys 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.120 were like his fastball is really bad and he can 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.520 never use it like Luis Castillo Luise Castios fastball Greg 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:37.600 top ten worst pitches in baseball last off. I didn't 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.280 want more Decon to hate me too much, but it 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.679 was ranked in the top ten worst fastballs in baseball 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.920 last year. Basically he throws a miles per hour, but 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:51.280 it's straight as an arrow, Greg, and it's getting squared up. 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.160 And he actually saw Justin Bore over the weekend square 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:59.360 one up against Louise Castio. Yeah, to make sure. So 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.480 again we didn't bring it up all modecos here because 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.199 we don't want him to hate us. But with Jack Flaherty, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.480 I think the skills are there. The one thing I 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.720 worry about is the command, right. So I looked at 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.960 his month by month e r A and his two 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.400 worst months I believe were like July in September, and 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.000 those were the months where his walks per nine were 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.599 over four Greg. So that's the biggest bugaboo when it 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.760 comes to Flaherty. And you know his first pitch strike 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.679 percentages fifty seven percent. It's something he needs to get 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.199 better at now. If he brings us up to like 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:29.040 the over sixty percent range where he's kind of getting 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.920 ahead and counts, and he's able to finish people off 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.040 with with this fastball slider combination, he could like he can. 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:36.600 You want to talk about a guy who can make 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.760 the next step, it's Jack Flaherty. He has big upside, 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.520 but in this range he also has more downside because 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.599 if if the lack, if the command comes back a 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.080 little bit, and like he starts walking guys, then that's 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:49.640 where you can see the whips start to balloon a 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:51.199 little bit, and then guys are getting on base, and 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.120 then maybe he gives up a home run with you know, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.199 two or three guys on base rather than like it 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.840 being a solo home run because he's walking guys. Then 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.120 those are kind of like the subtle differences where we're 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:01.959 talking about the difference between him being like a low 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.079 three e r A and he being a high three 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:05.920 e r A with like a bad whip. So I 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.040 think he has higher upside than some people in this range, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.120 but he also has lower downside, So I kind of 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.559 I think this is a good range for him to be. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.920 But he definitely definitely has the skills to be one 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.880 of like the top twenty, maybe even like top fifteen. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.960 Starting pitchers in baseball kind of reminds me of James 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.679 Paxton last year and the Aaron Nola from a year 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.840 or two ago as well. Where you're in this range. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.440 My issue with taking him is that you're not You're 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.960 you're paying for that upside, right like you're this spot 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:38.920 where he's going high end SP two at this spot. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:40.839 I'm being honest, I don't really love any of the 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.360 guys in this way. Like as much as I loved 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.920 tie Own last year, I loved Corbin Like maybe that's 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.480 what's just part of it is because I owned them 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.120 at their discount last year and now I kind of 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.040 feel like all the value has been sucked out of 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.319 him and pay a fourth round price tag. Definitely, that's 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.040 why I don't really want to do. It. Doesn't include 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.679 Clev as well, because everyone loves Clev. Yeah, it's similar, right, 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.360 like he is going outside I think the top forty 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.240 starting pitchers last year. He started to creep up a 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.120 little bit in spring training. But I'm a little more 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:07.640 apt to take Cleving jur And I'll tell you why, 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:12.079 Greg because of the where he plays with the Cleveland Indians. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.320 This is what they do. They developed starting pitching they're 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.000 so good at it, and I think that's why a 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:18.800 lot of people are in on Shane Bieber as well 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.840 as because look at some of the starting pitchers that 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.000 have come like have come into this organization. Corey Kluber 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.040 was a late bloomer but has been amazing. Carlos Carrasco 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.160 picked up from the Phillies. He's come here. It took 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.440 him a couple of years, but he's been amazing over 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.480 the past couple of seasons. Trevor Bauer was traded for 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.800 with the Arizona Diamondbacks. Took him a couple of years. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.840 He has turned into one of the best ten pitchers 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.720 in baseball last year. This is what they do. And 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.600 it's not really a terribly tough division either. In fact, 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.840 it's a tough it's a division they want to target 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.480 in terms of opponents that they're gonna be facing. The 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.040 White Sox. Yeah, they're gonna get Eloy Jimenez. Still not 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.280 a great lineup, right, Like, we're really worried about John 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.440 j leading off with the Chicago White Sox. This here. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:59.680 I like the Twins line up a lot. Admittedly I 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:04.080 do like that lineup, but the Royals, like, are we worried, Like, no, 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.280 we're not worried about the Royals either. So Clevenger to me, 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.080 I haven't ranked just behind James Paxson. Have him ahead 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.280 of Jamison ty one. I think I think we saw 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.240 a lot last year. Uh. He's kind of similar to 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.440 Jack Flaherty in terms of the walks. He's got to 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.600 control the walks. He's got to have solid command here 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.680 with Clevinger. But he was one of thirteen starting pitchers 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.280 last year to actually go two hundred innings, So he's 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.320 already has that in his back pocket. We've seen him 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:28.960 do it once. It doesn't you know, I'm not worried 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.640 about him going to endings again because he's already done it, Greg, 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.160 So he's probably the safest to get to that plateau 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.240 out of everyone that we're star talking about in this crew. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.240 Maybe Patrick Corbin as well. But you know, he lowered 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.960 the walks last year. Nine fastball, the slider and curve 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.560 both ranked inside the top ten in Fangrass in terms 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.880 of pitch values last year. That's a big difference Gregg 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.440 is that he has a second and third go to 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.920 pitch outside of his fastball, which is already pretty good 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.760 it's nine. That's the biggest difference between him and some 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.000 of the other guys here is that he has that 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.480 second and third pitch, both being breaking pitches that are 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.800 very very good pitchers pitches with the slider and the curveball. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.160 So to me, that just puts him a little bit 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:13.880 ahead of the competition. The fact that you know that 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.600 he's gonna go two under endings. He's gonna give you 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.480 a strike out for any so the two hundred strikeouts 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.000 are gonna be there. Twelve swinging shrike rate was top 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.520 twenty amongst starting pitchers last year, right in line with 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.040 Corey Klueber. I think he's a guy who's gonna go 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.920 three s e r A as well. With some of 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:29.920 these other names that we've mentioned. This is kind of 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.640 like the projection we're expecting. But I like him a 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.520 little bit more than Toyown because I know that he's 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:38.680 like at least the fact that I've seen him go 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.440 two pitched matters for me, and I got it, and 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.120 I get just pitching for the Cleveland Indians like that. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.040 You know, they're known for developing these guys. They know 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:48.600 how to do it. They've already done it with Clevinger. 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:49.880 Isn't that one of the reasons that you kind of 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:53.840 really right there that pitching coaches now ye Away, Callaway's 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.680 now with with the New York matter. And that's why 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.440 I brought up stephen that's to you last night and 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.240 the underlying numbers from man, he's gonna have to take 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.240 like a step to do something you haven't really seen 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.440 him do before. Plus he has to say help with 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.560 stephen Nes not as good as I thought they were 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:09.800 going to be when eight before I looked into it 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:11.760 and get your righting of these guys creating this whole 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.520 kind of like the fourth round group, Well do that 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.480 I have it. I have a Clevinger Clevinger, Tye o 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.520 Flaherty Corman. That's that's the four and passions ahead of all. 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.280 We'll do that when we come back as your best 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:28.720 friends forever. Fantasy Sports right or never. 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