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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one Tan the show.

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Speaker 1: We're joined by Mike Batty, a man who tagged one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest bucks ever killed the bow. And in

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Speaker 1: addition to the story that buck, we're also going to

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Speaker 1: be diving deep into how Mike continues to kill big

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Speaker 1: mature bucks to this day. Welcome to the Wire to

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Speaker 1: Hunt Podcast, brought to you by Si A Gear and

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Speaker 1: Tan the Show. No big surprise here. We're talking white

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Speaker 1: tails and we're joined by a fellow white tail nut.

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Speaker 1: But this hunter is on a whole different level then

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Speaker 1: I think almost all of our guests to this point,

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Speaker 1: probably all of them, you know, just like most of

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Speaker 1: the people we've talked to over the years, our guest

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Speaker 1: today is a serious big buck killer. He's obsessed with

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Speaker 1: dear and he's had plenty of success killing big mature bucks.

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Speaker 1: But what none of our other guests have done is this.

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Speaker 1: He has killed a buck. He just blew past that

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Speaker 1: whole two mark and he killed a He killed a

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Speaker 1: thirty nine point buck that, according to one article I've read,

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Speaker 1: scored three D four and six eight inches. Um. I

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Speaker 1: read that in North American White Tail, but in the

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Speaker 1: Pope and Young record books it looks like that's a

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Speaker 1: net toour. But regardless, whatever the score is, yeah, whatever

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Speaker 1: the score is, it's it's a freaking giant. And this

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Speaker 1: guest is Mike Batty. And you may recognize Mike as

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Speaker 1: for a very long time, his mug was on the

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Speaker 1: side of those Primos can calls. Do you remember that?

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Speaker 1: Damn you can't call, you flip over us. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: Mike's buck and his picture was on the side of

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Speaker 1: that and that can call. I still have the first

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Speaker 1: one I ever got. I still have and it's got

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Speaker 1: Mike on it. And uh. I actually met Mike earlier

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Speaker 1: this year at the A t A Show, and then

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Speaker 1: a couple of weekends ago while I was working down

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Speaker 1: um at the Sick of Gear booth at the Ohio

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Speaker 1: Deer in Turkey classes he was there too, and so

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Speaker 1: we have to spend some time getting to know each

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Speaker 1: other there and he was just a really interesting guy,

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Speaker 1: had a lot of interesting things to share, and I

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Speaker 1: thought he'd be he'd be someone we should definitely talk

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Speaker 1: to because you know, not only did he kill that

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Speaker 1: was two thousand, but he's continued to kill some really

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Speaker 1: nice bucks that I've been checking out on Facebook and

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Speaker 1: different places. So I think he's got a lot to

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Speaker 1: share and I'm excited to kind of dive into all that.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of the plan. Damn, what do you think?

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Speaker 1: I like big Bucks and I cannot lie, and I've

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Speaker 1: been I don't know about you, but I go I

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Speaker 1: occasionally go to the ebbs and flows in like my

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Speaker 1: um level of white till mania. Um, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: basically every single day I'm doing something related to white tails.

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Speaker 1: But there are certain days when like I'm up all

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Speaker 1: phone and looking at maps. You know we talked about

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Speaker 1: all time. But then there's other days where you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Alaska, I'm thinking about a backpacking trip

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Speaker 1: or something. Um, right now, I'm like in full blown

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Speaker 1: white tail mania. I've been studying trail camera pictures again.

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Speaker 1: I have been reading a habitat improvement book that's got

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Speaker 1: me thinking of all sorts of new crazy ideas that

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Speaker 1: been all that going too. So talked to the buddy

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Speaker 1: found like nine sheds. So and then and then I

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Speaker 1: got a guy who sends me an email in March twenty,

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Speaker 1: which would have been this Sunday. Uh, he's got bucks

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Speaker 1: shed hunting stuff just crazy. Yeah, I think that's what

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Speaker 1: then I thought the way he was acting, oh he's

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Speaker 1: gonna drop, And uh, I don't know. I've went one

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Speaker 1: so many miles this year, um way more than I

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Speaker 1: sometimes you get it. Sometimes you hit it right. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: but you just you just gotta keep walking. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: all there is to it in the end at the

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Speaker 1: or give up, right, I'm just about there. Can I

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Speaker 1: tell you what I've been doing the last like a

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Speaker 1: pictures of it. No, no, no, but something equally, something

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Speaker 1: equally as impressive. I am becoming a handyman. All my

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Speaker 1: all my buddies give me a hard time because I'm

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Speaker 1: not handed all. I can't do crap when it comes

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Speaker 1: to fixing things or anything. But by necessity I am learning.

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Speaker 1: Because we're in the midst of, like frantically trying to

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Speaker 1: did you get ripped off? So? I mean we got

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Speaker 1: and I can't, you know, I think I've told you

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Speaker 1: think so. Well, my wife's never listen to this, so

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Speaker 1: it was like November six or seventh or something. So

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Speaker 1: there's been more repair work needed to be done in

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Speaker 1: regardless of that, it was still it's been more work

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Speaker 1: more time invested. But as far as money, like, for

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Speaker 1: definitely couldn't get as nice of a camper as we're

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Speaker 1: not an RV. Not an r V. It's a twenty

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Speaker 1: But now you know, for future years, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: wishing they weren't in their cubicles. Well, are you gonna

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Speaker 1: nothing anymore, Like my brain is mush mashed potatoes some days.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't I don't know what. I don't

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Speaker 1: the only thing I know that's a hard like that's

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Speaker 1: eight point um. He had actually came in to the

428
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 1: stand location that night and I almost got a shot

429
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: at him, and I mean another two steps and I

430
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: and I would have flung an arrow at him. You know.

431
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: So what time of year was that? That was, Well,

432
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: we've been scouting early season, and then you know, I

433
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: hunted pretty hard the first month. I mean I was

434
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: twenty nine days straight hunting the same trouple sets, which

435
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: you know now we all know probably not the best choice.

436
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: But the actual might set of the evening of the

437
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: harvest for the baby buck was November eight, two thousands.

438
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: So basically what happened is I I didn't really want

439
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: to go out that night just because I've been kind

440
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: of burning myself out. Plus you know a lot of

441
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: labor on the on the wife trying to pick up

442
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: the kids from the center and all that stuff. So

443
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I I just won't go tonight. Well,

444
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: it started drizzling rain that day at work. I was like, man,

445
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: this is perfect. It's like it was real calm, and

446
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: I was just like, just you just know the feeling

447
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: when you know you should be in the woods, you

448
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So the front was coming in

449
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I got home. I didn't tell

450
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: my wife I wanted to go, but I got home,

451
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: and bless her heart, she had a note lane on

452
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: the table on a kitchen table and said, hey, go

453
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: ahead and go, hung I know it's gonna be a

454
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: good night. You know I'll get the kids. Don't worry

455
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: about it. Shoot, you ain't gonna tell me twice. You know,

456
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: it's time for dinner. So I took off and I

457
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: went while I pulled up into the to the back

458
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: side of the property, and I pulled up this fence

459
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: row and there's kind of like a big V on

460
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: this nab of this hill where the farmers can't plant

461
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: because it's kind of too steep. So I looked down

462
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: the backside where I normally park. I looked to my

463
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: left and there's the edge of the corn field in

464
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: the grass has grown up and it's it's kind of

465
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: overgrown briars and stuff. Well, these two or three does

466
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: stand up. They were bedded right on the edge of

467
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: the corn, right in this grass. And when I pulled up,

468
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they just jumped up and just trotted into

469
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: the corn. And I was like, oh man, I just

470
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, boom erdis hunt. I just pressured whatever deer

471
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: we're here. So I got out anyhow, and I slipped

472
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: through the corn. I had kind of a mash down

473
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: trail through the corn that I could slip through the

474
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: edge of the corn and get to my stand. And

475
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: I get up in the stand and I don't know,

476
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: I let everything settle down. It was probably twenty minutes

477
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: to half an hour. So I hit the grunt tube,

478
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: get the can call, and then smack this little basket

479
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: rack eight point antlers that I carry. So I did

480
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: it like a little miniature rattling sequence. And I've waited,

481
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, hung the antlers up, and I just sat there.

482
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting. I looked over my left shoulder and

483
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: there's a deer standard work working a scrape, and I'm like,

484
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: holy crap, it's a big eight point. So I'm thinking, man,

485
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: it's is it? So I stand up in the tree

486
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: and I turned around, and the trees basically between me

487
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: and the deer at this point because he comes in

488
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: behind me right. So I grabbed my bow off the

489
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: bow hanger, I knock or arrows area knocked that. I

490
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: grabbed his put the release on my loop, and I

491
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: go to pull back when he stops at this little

492
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: over the sweeping limb that goes out into the corn,

493
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: and he just would not come underneath that limb, and

494
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: I thought it was hanging too low, and it was

495
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: just shooting right into the to the corn, which gets

496
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: on like a honey locust tree. So there's us like

497
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: the big wait a minute tree, you know what I'm

498
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: talking about, Like the tree you bump into and you say, well,

499
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: wait a minute, because it's some big, big thorns, like

500
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: he's scorn. Yeah, I like I thought maybe that was

501
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: stopping him from coming underneath there all his scorns. So

502
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: he stopped and he turned around and walked back where

503
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: he came from one into the corn, and man, I

504
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: was shaking so hard, like you could pin oak just

505
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: carry his leaves along time around here, and they were

506
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: all brown, but they've dried up, but you could just

507
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: hear them leaves to shaken in the tree fly cow.

508
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: That was him, and I just missed my opportunity, so

509
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: he filters back into the corn. So I hung my

510
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: bow back up, sat back down, took a couple of

511
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: deep breaths, and just kind of settled in waited a

512
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: few minutes, and it and it once again. It was probably,

513
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen twenty minutes later, I picked up

514
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: the grunt tube and can hit him again three times,

515
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: hit both of them three times, like alternating, and and

516
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: then I took the low eight point and smacked it

517
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: together again and rat a little bit and hung it

518
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: back up. I look over, you know, at the time,

519
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: I was turned around little bit to my right towards

520
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: the corn. So I look over my right shoulder this time,

521
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: and I see a dear standard and that's Scrape again.

522
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: But he's got his head up in the lick brand.

523
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: So he's got his head up working the lick branch.

524
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: And I thought it was the eight point. Well here

525
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: it was baby buck, But I phil didn't know what

526
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: he was, you know, I just knew he was big,

527
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: so he turns and he starts walking down the fence

528
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: row and he gets you know, at that time, I'm

529
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm grabbing my bow, and I'm keeping the tree between

530
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: basically his face and mind. So I'm just trying to

531
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: keep something between us and the whole time. Soon as

532
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: I think he was a shooter, I just started looking

533
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: at his body, you know, And I think that's what

534
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: helped me really hold my composers through the whole of them.

535
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: I just put that tree between his head and mind

536
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: and watched his body creep in and when he got

537
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: to that low sweeping limb, his body posture you could

538
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: tell it change, and his his knees buckled in the

539
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: front like he like kneeled down and went underneath that limb.

540
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: As soon as he want to underneath that limb, I

541
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: was pulling back, so I went to full draw. He

542
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 1: comes out underneath that limb. He's got his head up

543
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: in the air, and I never really looked at his

544
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: a snout because I was kind of focused, like you know,

545
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: peachside pins, vitals and he and when I'm looking through

546
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: all that, I could just tell he was doing something.

547
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: You know, how like when you walk up to somebody

548
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: that's got a hat on, and you could tell they

549
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: got a hat on the in a logo, but you

550
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: don't really look at it like. That's the sensation I

551
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: had whenever he I feel that he was looked for on,

552
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: like he had his mouth open. I could tell he

553
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: was doing something, but I really never focused on it.

554
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming he was trying to taste taste the

555
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: air because I had sent bombs further up the fence

556
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: row about Chanter fifteen yards up the fence row, and

557
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: you know in wicks hanging on the center row, so

558
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm assuming the wind was hitting right in the face,

559
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: so he came in from down wind, so I'm assuming

560
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: that's what he was doing. But anyhow, it kind of

561
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: all played out pretty quick. But he if he's standing there,

562
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: he's kind of taken like like baby steps, almost like

563
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: he's I don't want to say he's prancing, but he

564
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: was just like pushing his hooks down. He's just like

565
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: moving and he's taking up the way my shot angled.

566
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: So now I have no shot. So when he when

567
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: he was turned and he was kind of turning to

568
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: his left, which would have been my right, and I

569
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: and I lost the angle boring, you know, back through

570
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: his vitals. So I just picked his spot, like right

571
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: on under his throat patch and tried to look at

572
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: an angle that would get down into his boiler room.

573
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: So I put it right underneath the throat patch and

574
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: just touched one off and it smacked, And I mean

575
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: it's like you hit the side of beef with the

576
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: Louisville Slugger. It just sounded so loud, and I thought

577
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: he spun around and took off running. When he ran

578
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: ran back to that limb and then threw a bunch

579
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: of other limbs down by the lick branch, and all

580
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: I could see was wrath running away. And to describe

581
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: it, it it looks like when you're watching a hunting show.

582
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: It's like watching an elk run away from you in

583
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: no timber. He was just banging and cracking and hitting

584
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: the limbs as he was running away. So he runs

585
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: off and he goes I could seem go out down.

586
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: He was draw by I don't know, probably about a

587
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: hundred yards and I've lost. So I sat back down,

588
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: sat there and just kind of thought me and what

589
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? Now? I know, I feel like

590
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: I put a good shot on him. So I tied

591
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: off my bow, lowered it down, grabbed my pack, packed

592
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: everything I've got down to the basis, undid my safety harness,

593
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: and got down to the base of the tree and

594
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: I just kind of light up against the tree and

595
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: then slid down the tree and just sat there. And

596
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: I was just sitting on my butt, and I was

597
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: just like just started praying. I was just like, God,

598
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: if you just let me find him, I'll be in

599
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: church on Sunday, you know, just anything I could say

600
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: to just make it happen, you know. And and man,

601
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: I just I was just nauseous because I didn't see

602
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: him fall. So I get up. I walked, had enough

603
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: of the angle of the cornfield standing corn in front

604
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: of me that I knew he couldn't see me. And

605
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: it had been drizzling rain earlier in the day, so

606
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: kind of like the field edge was wet, so I

607
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: could slip around here a little bit and look for sign.

608
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: So I walked over and I see where he was standing,

609
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: to see his hook prints, and you can see where

610
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: he turned like a cutting works and fun out to

611
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: go to run backwards, you know, backwards boom from so

612
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: right in that area, I looked around and I could

613
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: see one little white feather and I'm like, oh no,

614
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: I had a one of the at the time it

615
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: was Matthews had that Z light out that real white

616
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: bow they already showed in the advertisements with the balloons

617
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: and stuff holding it up. So I had a Z

618
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: light that I bought used off a buddy in line,

619
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: and I had to restring it well, I had to

620
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 1: do everything. Had a brand new setup right, and the

621
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: rest I had on it. The arrow was hitting the

622
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: rest early season, and I fletched my own arrows and everything.

623
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: I dipped them in white and had white feathers so

624
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: I could see the flight of the arrow because that

625
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: was kind of before, like lighted knocks and all that

626
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: stuff was out right. So I've seen that white feather

627
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: lane there. And when I was trying to sight the

628
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: bow in earlier and get it all tuned up earlier

629
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: in the season, I kept hitting the rest and it

630
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: would slice one of the white feathers off the hawk feather.

631
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: It would slice it off in the arrow would twirl

632
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: and I missed the target. So now I'm thinking the

633
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: whole time that smack I heard was the arrow hitting

634
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: a rock or the ground. So that's like the first

635
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: thing I went through my mind, and I'm just like

636
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: grave puke right um. And then all of a sudden,

637
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: I see this big half moon spray of blood, real

638
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: dark red blood. So then I just started smiling. I

639
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: was like, yes, I got an arrow anyway, So now

640
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering about my shot with that white feather.

641
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: So I waited until dark and I started walking the

642
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: field edge and it was kind of when I say

643
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: I draw, it's like a grown up pasture in between

644
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: the corn field and the hillside and then another fence

645
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: rown and beans. So I'm walking down through this grass

646
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: and like I'm going, like every ten yards I'll set

647
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: an arrow. Then I'll you know, go another ten yards,

648
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: stick an arrow on the ground where I find blood.

649
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: And then if I started running out of blood, I

650
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: would stop and I would just go little circles and

651
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: just keep bigger circles, bigger circles, bigger circles until I

652
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: find the blood again. Right. So, because now it's dark,

653
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: because I can't I can't really see a long way

654
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: and see landmarks where he win. So I got out

655
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: to about I would do like, you know, four arrows

656
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: lay my bow down, go get all my arrows, pick

657
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: them all back up, do it again. So I basically

658
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: had my bow quiver, four arrows, my backpack, and a light.

659
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: So I'm heading down through this draw and I get

660
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: down to the end of the draw. Well that's probably

661
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: about I would guess probably two two or fifty yards

662
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: and there's a fence through a high tensile fence. I

663
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: get down to this high tensil fence and I hear

664
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: dear blow at me and I'm like, no, that's him.

665
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: So I got all the standing corn around right, so

666
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't push this dear. It's him, because

667
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, the worst thing can happen is a combine finding.

668
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: So I stuck a arrow. I just knocked it right

669
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: on the high tensil fence and just left it there,

670
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: packed up all my stuff, went all the way back

671
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: to the truck and drove home. So it's by twenty

672
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: minutes to the house. So I get to the house,

673
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: I go in, I call every person I know and

674
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I just shot a big deer. How

675
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: big is he? I don't know. I can't tell you.

676
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: He's just huge. Well what's huge big? Because you know

677
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: from I being from Pennsylvania and cutting my teeth on

678
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit smaller sized deer that you

679
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: know that's basically growing up on eggcorns and bark or

680
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: whatever brows. It's I was kind of ignorant to to

681
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: what a big deer is or or what a true

682
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett sized deer is. So I never really

683
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: went to shows, you know, I just gear shows so much.

684
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: I just pretty much hunted for meat and you know,

685
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: filled tags. So I get, like I said, I get

686
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: home and I started talking all my buddies and and

687
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: it what was sad was every friend was just, you know,

688
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: go getting who's dead. The next one would be like,

689
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: oh man, I'd wait, the next one will be like

690
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: getting dead. And I mean, I know you got your opinion.

691
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, man, I don't know what to do.

692
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: So literally, I sat up all night on my couch

693
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: in our family room watching ESPN reruns. And I'm sitting

694
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: there watching ESPN and it just lets loose. It starts raining.

695
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: So I opened a garage door and looked out the

696
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: street light and it was just pouring buckets. And I

697
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: mean literally I just about driving just right there in

698
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: the parking driveway. So I'm like, man, I don't know

699
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do now. I'm never gonna find this here.

700
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: So the next morning, my son had tests at school.

701
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: My wife gets up. She says, you know you should

702
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: take Andrew with you. I said, well, doesn't he have tests?

703
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: And she said, yeah, but just take came went. You know,

704
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: if you guys find it, just bringing back and dropped

705
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: him off the school and go back and get it.

706
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: I said, okay, So we took the the four wheeler

707
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: and him and I went across this side this field

708
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: with him, and about halfway across, I kind of knew

709
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: where I needed to go, and I could see the

710
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: high tensil fence and I could see with bnocators, I

711
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: could see my white fletchings hanging on the fence, so

712
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: I knew kind of where I was at. I'm looking

713
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: in that direction just past the fence, went to top

714
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: the fence and ditter up on the hill worth the

715
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: deer blue and my sons like dad, damn, like pulling

716
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: on my shirt tail and I'm like, yeah, he goes

717
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: he's right there. And I got down on his level

718
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: and I could because he was just a little guy.

719
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: Then I could see across the field and I could

720
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: see up in this this crick bottom. He was laying

721
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: right there. So, you know, Loe, Andrew was just my

722
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: best buddy at that point. Man. And uh, we get

723
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: over there, and uh, this deer jumped the fence. He

724
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: was twenty nine paces from where. I'm not the era

725
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: because I paste it off what he was counting. Ammers.

726
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: So I walked from the fence over to the deer.

727
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: It was twenty nine paces and I said, I means

728
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: he got buddy, and he said forty one. I said

729
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: what I said, dude, you ain't gonna pass your test today.

730
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: And he started laughing, Dad, forty one. Well, in Pennsylvania,

731
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of guys will probably tell you

732
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: back in the day, if you can hang a wedding

733
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: band on it, it counts as a point. Well, he

734
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: was counting everything you can hang a ring on, and

735
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: there was forty one, you know, points on it. But

736
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: there wasn't that many scorable points, you know. But and

737
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: what what an adventure with him? You know, what what

738
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: was that feeling like when you actually saw him. I mean,

739
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: before before this, you had just thought he was a

740
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: big buck but when you walk up on him and he's,

741
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, this unworldly monstrous buck. What was that moment? Like, well,

742
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: you know it was It was funny because where he died,

743
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: he had he looked like he had run into like this. Now,

744
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: how farms will cut down trees in their pasture, woods

745
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: and they're like stack it up along against the tree.

746
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: He fell into one of those and knocked one of

747
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: the pieces of wood off and it was wedged in

748
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: between his rack in the in the tips of his

749
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: times in the back, and he he had his head

750
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: like upside down, like his bottom of his chin was

751
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: facing towards the sky. So I like was trying to

752
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: get this. Literally, I had to like kick this wood

753
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: out of his rack just to get it to get

754
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: him spun around. And when I did that, I picked

755
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: him up, and he was so heavy, and like I said, man,

756
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: it's you're talking about, you know, somebody that's never killed

757
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: giant beer before. I didn't know what to think. I mean,

758
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: I just thought, holy cow, I never dreamed that they

759
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: would grow this big around here. And I mean he

760
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: was just a giant. He just heavy, like his his

761
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: rack was, his head like everything was heavy. And I

762
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: was just like, holy cowvit. Yeah, I don't know, man,

763
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: it was just it was it was really cool that,

764
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: you know, me and Andrew was there, and you know,

765
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: it was just barely breaking daylight enough that you could

766
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: see the white on his belly when Andrew seen across

767
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: the stream. And Andrew took the first and only field photo.

768
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: Um it's it's floating around on the internet somewhere, but

769
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: it's it looks dark. But I mean back then it's

770
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: like CAMRA's one, you know, aren't what they are today,

771
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, and it just looked like a dark picture.

772
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: And man, just all kind of ruders start flying then.

773
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: But I mean it was just it is what it

774
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: is overcasting in the woods. That Um, yeah, it was

775
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: just a really good feeling. Obviously, you know, I just

776
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: aired the biggest deer in my life. But I still

777
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: at that point, I still had no idea what I had.

778
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, I drove while I walked straight over to

779
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: the truck, got the four wheler come over, loaded him up,

780
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, getting back to the truck, got everything loaded,

781
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: and it just so happens that the Division of Wildlife

782
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: is a checking station. Back when we had to put

783
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: metal tags on our deer Well. It was on the

784
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: way home their their district office is right here in Zenia.

785
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: So I just swung in there and asked him to

786
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: take mountain tagget deer well. It was flenty of the guy.

787
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: The guy who worked there at the time, his name

788
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: was Dan also. He he went out with a clipboard

789
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, how many points is it?

790
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: He come out from behind the counter and I said,

791
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure, but I think it's thirty eight.

792
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: And he said what and I said yeah. So he

793
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: went out to the truck and I had like an

794
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: F one fifty, was looked up a little bit and

795
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: climbed up. He was a little short guy. He climbed

796
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: up on the back of the truck and kind of

797
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: looking down in the truck and part of the racks

798
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: sticking up above the truck because it was pretty wide,

799
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, deer. So he's looking in and he's like

800
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: he's like trying to count, and he's like holding his chin,

801
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: like he down again and like trying to figure it out,

802
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: and he starts scratching his head and he just like

803
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: dropped his clipboard and everything and just jumped down off

804
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: the truck and took off running back towards the building.

805
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: I was like, crap, what's going on? Didnt want of

806
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: them fall off? Or what what's he running for? Well,

807
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: he came in and then that's when it all started.

808
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: Like he's literally the guy that took the picture of

809
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: me in the back of the truck holding on the

810
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: drop times. So and then from there kind of exploded,

811
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: like everybody in the division went out and started looking

812
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: at it, and then you know, it wasn't you know

813
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: too much longer after that. I mean, it's just like

814
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: everybody starts showing up at the house and just phone

815
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: started ringing off the hook, and it just stopt busy. Yeah,

816
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: I got a question, did you when you went into

817
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: hunt this property, did you know that this buck was there?

818
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: Or was there rumblings by the neighbor of this buck

819
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: in the area. Uh? Negative, As far as me seeing

820
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: this bucker, knowing the buck was there, As far as neighbors,

821
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone out there. So I just got

822
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: permission At hundred fifty some acres of property that split

823
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: by a road. Once I had woods, once I had

824
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: field wide open field, a little bit of wood fence

825
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: row and woods on each end. So I never really

826
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: talked too many of the neighbors got you so. So obviously,

827
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: killing a buck like this is incredible. It was a

828
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime experience. I'm sure it was an

829
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: amazing time. Um. But you also talked about like rumors

830
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: that happened and how all this kind of exploded and

831
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff where there's some downsides to

832
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: this whole thing too. I mean, did this cause a

833
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: lot of stress in your life or were you able

834
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: to kind of get past that pretty quickly? Well, you know,

835
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: I always, you know, give my wife the most credit,

836
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously my kids they got older, but

837
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, my wife being she's a good woman, and

838
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: she keeps me on up straight and narrow path, you

839
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I as long as I've

840
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: got somebody behind me that helps me deal with the

841
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: day to day when all this happened, that's where we

842
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: that's how we kind of dealt with the stress. We

843
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: kind of made it fun for the kids, like, hey,

844
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to another show this weekend. You're ready

845
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: to go, you know, and then after you know, sho

846
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: has been seven, sixteen years, seventeen years now, it's like

847
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, nobody wants to go to shows with normally

848
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: it's just like it's this old news round here. But yeah,

849
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty stressful and hectic at first.

850
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: As far as downside, UM just not not really being

851
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: able to talk to anyone that this has happened to before.

852
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't I couldn't call Marker Dan and bounce

853
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, questions off of you like hey, you know,

854
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: should I do this deal? Or should I should I

855
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: go to this show? Is this a good show? You

856
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: know it's so far you know whatever? How the lock

857
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: and I had no one I could bounce y of

858
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: that stuff off of. Um. Milo Hanson, Um, great dude.

859
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: When I met him for the first time, you know,

860
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: it was it was like you know, meeting the ball players,

861
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: you know, a pro Um. I just man, I really

862
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: picked his brain a lot, and he was so helpful.

863
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Gordon Whittington from North American White Tail, I'm sure I

864
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: would hand down he had to be the most health

865
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: initially of anyone in the industry. Um, that dude is

866
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: just so full knowledge, it's it's just ridiculous. Yeah. So

867
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: what is what is the financial gain if someone shoots

868
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: a giant buck? Like everybody, everybody is always wants to

869
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: shoot one. But I mean there's also an opportunity for

870
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: you and your family to make some money off this, uh,

871
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: this endeavor. What's what's that like? Walk us through at

872
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. Oh man, it's just more taxes, you

873
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: know now, I'm just kidding. Really, I'm just playing. Um,

874
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: it's it's just supplemental income. I mean, I worked for

875
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: the phone company before I shot this deer, and I'm

876
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: still working for the phone company and willing to take

877
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: that next step and jump off the ship of for me,

878
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: responsibility with my family and holding down a full time

879
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: job with benefits to be a provider and give her

880
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: to them unless you're willing to, Like, if you're a

881
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: single guy, you probably could have went and made a

882
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: career out of, you know, hunting shows or having your

883
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: own show, having your own podcast. Now, I mean, technologies change,

884
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: but um, it's always changing. But I don't know, it's

885
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: it's it's tough because I never really wanted to like

886
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: what happens if if band shoots Shipwreck and it scores

887
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: wor oh four, you know, or three oh seven, then

888
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: what happens to to Mike Baby trying to provide for

889
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: this family, and is you know it's white. So that

890
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: always like lingered in the back of my mind, like

891
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 1: I really need to watch and really tiptoe what I'm doing,

892
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: try not to paint myself into a corner, so to speak,

893
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: and and just be a little bit more you know, responsible.

894
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: I guess I guess what I was asking was you

895
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: were getting paid to take him to shows and showcase

896
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: this buck to crowds of people, right, sure, okay, alright, cool? Yeah? No,

897
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: And and you know you you basically at that point, um,

898
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: if it's an attraction, it's a draw for the hunt

899
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: for the public, right, So that's right for a promoter

900
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: would would contact me and they would say, look, you know,

901
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: we'd love to have you as a draw for our show.

902
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I would say, well, okay, what you know,

903
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: what is the compensation package for this this weekend or

904
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: what have you? And it would just throw bunch of

905
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: stuff out here, whether it's room and board, you know, food,

906
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: lodging and X amount of dollars per day for shows.

907
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's probably no different than not. I

908
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: I tried to kind of compared to like Kevin van

909
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: Dam from from the b A S. S Tour, you know,

910
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: just mat. So it's just it's kind of having somebody

911
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: there that's done something that everybody wants to hear about.

912
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: So you're just draw at that point. So so I'm curious. Um, Mike,

913
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: I've got a buddy who killed what at one point

914
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: was a state record white tail um for the state

915
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: he was hunting, and he very shortly after killing that buck,

916
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: you know, just like your dear, it gained a lot

917
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: of notoriety, um, a lot of people talking about it,

918
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: and it ended up negatively impacting his hunting because people

919
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: found out where he killed that buck, and everybody wanted

920
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: to hunt there, and so there's all these other people

921
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: kind of flocking it in his spots. Have you experienced

922
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: anything like that, whether it be right after you killed

923
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: the giant or in the years since, do you have

924
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: an issue with people always trying to get in on

925
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: your stuff or losing your hunting ground or anything like that? Yeah?

926
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it's still happened to this day.

927
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: Sam Galore is still trying to hunt in my backyard,

928
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm just kidding. Yeah,

929
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: it's still happens, and I'll find properties, and you know,

930
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of sad in a way because I

931
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: get it. People want to hunt deer, and some people

932
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: know that where the deer was killed. Some people don't.

933
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: They just want to hunt. So you know, I don't

934
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: fault anybody for trying to take up this sport. I mean,

935
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: we need as many hunters as we can get. Um.

936
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: The public properties around here are just overrun. I mean

937
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Pennsylvania. It's just it's tough to

938
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: find a nice secluded spot where it's not pressured. Um.

939
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, there, that still happens to this day. All right.

940
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: So we're going to take a very brief break here

941
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: for a weekly segment with white Tailed Properties, and I

942
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: let our producers, Spencer new Heart take it from here.

943
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: This week with white Tail Properties, we are joined by

944
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: Dave Skinner, a land specialist out of southern Kentucky, and

945
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: Dave is going to be telling us about affordable habitat improvement.

946
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: You know, the biggest thing by a chainsaw and or

947
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: if you already on one, put into use, uh timber

948
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: stand improvement is a is a great way to improve

949
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: habitat and it'll pay your dividends from the timber value

950
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: UM that that has increased by going in and removing

951
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: those inferior trees. UM. Reducing the canopy increases the sunlight

952
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: and the farest floor, which naturally grows cover. That also

953
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: equals food UM. And you know the big thing is

954
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: right now, do it now before spring green up so

955
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: that you're going to get a flush of growth UM

956
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: this summer and spring as things are growing. If you'd

957
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: like to learn more and to see the properties that

958
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: Dave currently has listed for sale, visit white tail properties

959
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: dot com. Backslash Skinner that's s k I and and

960
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: e R. And finally, we've got another quick update from

961
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: our partners at Huntera Maps about the recently launched Huntera

962
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: Mobile Map. Here's Hontera founder Ben Harshein with more details

963
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: about their new digital offering. Well, the mobile map has

964
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: three important features to it, and the first one is

965
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: that you can drop pins for any points of interest.

966
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: The most common ways you would use this would be

967
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: marking all of your stands, trail cameras, blinds, scrapes, rubs,

968
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: any of those points of interest. You can drop pins

969
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: on the mobile map, change their color, label them, group

970
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: them together. All kinds of things that you can do

971
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: with labeling your point features. The second thing that you

972
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: can do is measure distances in areas. So if you

973
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: want to understand how far a certain shot maybe, or

974
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: if you want to understand how big a certain area is,

975
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: or a certain shape of your thinking about the designing

976
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: the shape of a food plot a couple of different ways,

977
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: and you want to understand the acreage of it, you

978
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: can do that with the measure tool. And then third,

979
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: which is what is I think the most exciting, is

980
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: that it has GPS tracking ability, And what that means

981
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: is that because the map is GPS enabled and it

982
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: requires zero cell service anywhere in the world, this will

983
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: work as you walk around. That little blue dot will

984
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: follow you well when you're doing GPS tracking and you

985
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: hit start as you walk, it will trace that track.

986
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: It's insanely accurate and I actually used it last year

987
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: whenever I was grid searching for a deer that that

988
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: I shot, that the infamous pork buck. I shot him

989
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: on November seven and ended up tracking him on November eight,

990
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: and I used this feature to determine where I looked

991
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: for him and where I didn't. And the reason is

992
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: because the property was the area of the property that

993
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: I was on was so thick that I was literally

994
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: crawling through briars. So, uh, the GPS track will tell

995
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: you where you went. And another really cool application, and

996
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: it's applicable right now, is that it is we're in

997
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: the thick of shed season and you can have this

998
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: map on your phone and literally know everywhere you've walked

999
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: for sheds and where you haven't yet. So that that's

1000
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: really cool. There's endless amounts of applications with the GPS

1001
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: tracking um and it's uh, it's definitely the ultimate. What

1002
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,400
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1003
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1011
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: will get back to the show. Yeah, imagine that's tough.

1012
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: So so let's fast forward a little bit. We've been

1013
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: talking about two thousand. But um, you mentioned a couple

1014
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: of things that you did during that hunt that you

1015
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: realize now we're maybe mistakes, you know, like hunting the

1016
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: same spot over and over and over, some things along

1017
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: those lines. So now it's been fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years,

1018
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: and I know you've continued to kill some really nice

1019
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: mature bucks. So I'm curious to hear, Now, how would

1020
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: you describe your hunting style today and how has it

1021
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: changed since that point? Oh, it's it's it's it's very

1022
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: different now. I still the only similarity would probably be

1023
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: that I still to this day where I hunt it's

1024
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: mainly fields and centers. So a lot of people that

1025
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: come here and hunt with me, Um, they're just shocked

1026
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: that there's not very many woods. So I try and

1027
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: and hunt funnels, pitch points. And it has changed tremendously

1028
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: because you know, obviously, you know, you try to try

1029
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: to become a smarter hunter, especially as you know, get older. Um,

1030
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: but I you know, I don't know, like maybe uh

1031
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: like postseason, like you know, season just ended here, you

1032
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: know what a month ago, almost two months ago now,

1033
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: and and I I'll get out and I'm trying you

1034
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: know she had hunt right away. Um, just to see

1035
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: you know what what made it? Um, what's in the

1036
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: inventory for the following year. UM. I try and still

1037
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: run cameras a few a few weeks, it's not a

1038
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: few months after the season, just to kind of monitor

1039
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: the deer herd to see what kind of shape there

1040
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: in physically and if if they if they run down

1041
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: and like stressed out, if you would, um. Scouts for

1042
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, new trails and betting areas do a lot

1043
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: of stand removal and maintenance, you know. And this is

1044
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: all right after season has ended, within his first couple

1045
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: of months before Turkey season. So and then spring, you know,

1046
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: I I focused a out on water sources, um throughout

1047
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: the spring, summer and fall. Um. If I have a

1048
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: farm that doesn't have a water source, I make a

1049
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: water source. Um Uh. Neighbors probably think I'm a little

1050
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: nuts sometimes because I'll run twenty five gallons of fresh

1051
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 1: water to every one of my water tanks every week.

1052
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: And I try and try and give my dear a

1053
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: fresh water source, a healthy water source. Can you can

1054
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: you talk about how you make those watering holes? Sure

1055
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: about have strokes? You know? As I get older, Austin. Um.

1056
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: I just know, seriously, I just take a you know,

1057
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: like a hundred gallon rubber mate tub and I'll dig

1058
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: that in to where it's sticking about sixty eight inches

1059
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: out of the ground, and I kind of just keep

1060
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: it full water and then I've got lines on it

1061
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: down to you know, I know what line is is

1062
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: twenty five gallons low. If it's not low, I'll take

1063
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: a bucket with me, and every bucket and I'll dip

1064
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: water out and then i'll fill it back up. Um

1065
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: maybe once every three weeks to four weeks. I'll put

1066
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: mosquito dunks in it and like out algae tablets, like

1067
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: I try and keep the water for like I don't

1068
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: like mosquito larvae in my water. I'm trying to keep good, fresh,

1069
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: clean water, and I fill it with well water every week.

1070
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: So are you doing this primarily just as something to

1071
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, help provide a healthier environment for the local

1072
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: deer and you're just hoping you're going to stay in

1073
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: that general area more so because of it, or is

1074
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: it like these are specifically placed near stand setups because

1075
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: you're hoping to catch a deer coming into to drink

1076
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: there when you're hunting a little bit of both. I

1077
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: mean a little bit of both. I'm not I don't

1078
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: know why, you know, just quirky. I guess I just

1079
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: I've never really shot a deer as he's drinking, like

1080
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: always let him drink and get done and then you know,

1081
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: put an arrow during whatever. But um, but yeah, I

1082
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: I typically do it just for the health of the herd. Um,

1083
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: that's mainly all I do it for. Now. Are they

1084
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: strategically placed that I can utilize them in to my benefit?

1085
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: You know? Come fall? Yes, Okay, have you seen a

1086
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: director like a direct result in the health of your

1087
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: herd because you implemented these drinking stations? Um? I believe

1088
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: so well. I would like to think so. Um, we

1089
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: haven't had an outbreak of like you know, e h

1090
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: D or blue tongue or any of that stuff that

1091
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I went to Division Wildlife down

1092
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: the road and I said, before I started, I said, listen,

1093
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: here's my plan. I want to start a water source

1094
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: from my dear. But I don't want to take any

1095
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: chance of giving giving them any type of disease. So

1096
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: what can I do? When they asked me what I

1097
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: was doing, and I told him, and they said, listen,

1098
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: you're probably giving them better water than what they're drinking

1099
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: out these streams around here. So that made me feel good.

1100
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: So I can tell you that that our deer seemed

1101
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: to to get through most of the summer, and like

1102
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: their our deer look really healthy. Like I don't know

1103
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: how to how to explain it than that they just

1104
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: look really healthy. They're thick, they're muscular, they're you know,

1105
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: they're just heavy. And I like to think that, you know,

1106
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: Ohio is food blot. You know, they've got corn and

1107
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: soy beans and our Falca and Timothy and I name

1108
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: it over just everything's all over because there's farmers. So

1109
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: I think I think they do sustain a little bit

1110
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: better throughout the year because they have fresh water and

1111
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: a lot of food. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that

1112
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: the whole water source thing, because this is something I

1113
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: was actually thinking about just last night. Um, in my case,

1114
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: I was thinking about using these just as one more

1115
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: small thing I can do to try to improve a

1116
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: couple of my stand setups that are in these little

1117
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: isolated food plots. And you know I've already you know,

1118
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: the first year when I put these food plots, and

1119
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: I was I've got food, and then a couple of

1120
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: years later, I was trying to ferret ways to tweak

1121
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And now I've planted you know,

1122
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: fake scrape trees in that food plot to try to

1123
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: get a deer to possibly come into shooting range a

1124
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: little more likely with that. And now this year, I think,

1125
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, one more thing I can do is I'm

1126
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: gonna put in some water, some little water tanks in

1127
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: each of these spots to just you know, maybe it's

1128
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: gonna give me a one percent better chance that the

1129
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: day I'm after might choose to come in here during daylight.

1130
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: But um, that's something I'm gonna try this year. So

1131
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear. Let's work for you? Oh yeah,

1132
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: yeah it it definitely has. Um. I'll kind of pick

1133
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: a day of the week that works for me, um

1134
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: to go water. And uh, that's typically when I check

1135
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: a camera if it's you know, if it's an s

1136
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: D card that I gotta change out, you know, obviously

1137
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: if it's wireless, and you know, I don't mess with it.

1138
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: But um, but I'll try and pick a day and

1139
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: then i'll just I'll leave the quad running while I'm feeling,

1140
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, fresh water. And I don't stray far from

1141
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: the quad like I don't walk around, I don't go

1142
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: anywhere to look for more sign I already know the

1143
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: deer there and get pictures of them. I'm not stressing

1144
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: them out. I'm not correcting them. That to me, you know,

1145
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: every time you get busted, that equals pressure, and in

1146
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: my opinion, pressure equals little to know mature deer encounters.

1147
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: If that makes any sense, Yeah, it definitely does. So

1148
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: can you elaborate a little bit on You mentioned how

1149
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: you're using trail cameras there and you're being careful, but

1150
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: when you check them, can you tell us a little

1151
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: bit more about the specifics of um you know, how

1152
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: you're using those cameras in the summer, and then how

1153
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: that changes during the hunting season, and then again, you know,

1154
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: maybe how are you changing where you place them, how

1155
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: are you doing different things differently? Well, I mean, you know,

1156
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: it's no secret everybody. Everybody tries to get pictures of

1157
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: their dear you know. And and my thing is I

1158
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: try not to go in more than I have to, Like,

1159
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: I definitely try and not the pressure of the deer

1160
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: um in in the summer. Um. It's a little bit

1161
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: different because, like I said, I'm filling water and I'm

1162
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: like the deer pattern us, right, so they probably pattern

1163
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: us more than we patterned them, no doubt. So I

1164
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: try not to do anything other than do what I

1165
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: need to do and get out of there. But I

1166
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: try and let them know that I'm they're leaving the

1167
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: quad running um filling the water. I'm I'm praying that.

1168
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: My My thought process is that that that's training the

1169
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: deer to know that there's water there now or you

1170
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: know that you know. So, so when I train them

1171
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: to know that there's water there, then I get out

1172
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: of there while I'm there. If it's an s D card,

1173
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: I'll change it out. If I'm right beside it and

1174
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm wearing rubber rubber boots that's sprayed down, you know,

1175
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: or haven't touched anything, but they're um. So I try

1176
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 1: to not leave in a scent, not pressure to deer,

1177
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: try and train them when I'm there. When I'm putting

1178
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: out there there you know, alternative food source for minerals

1179
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: in the summer, or water h fresh water, and then

1180
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, I get out of there. Well, I you

1181
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: know I've actually seen like I used to do this

1182
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: this spray. Like when I would start a brand new

1183
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 1: site with cameras, especially out of state, I would take

1184
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: like a a sprayer, like a bug spray, I guess,

1185
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: or a long sprayer just uh one you would carry

1186
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: with a little handle, push down handle pump, and I

1187
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: would I would mix up. I would I would call

1188
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: it boody juice, but I would mix up like you know,

1189
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: concentrates to like I would almost bring to a boil

1190
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: like bananas, um apples, uh pairs sometimes uh. Sometimes I'd

1191
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: mix in like grape juice or great uh kool aid mix,

1192
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: and I would make up this mixture of concentrating and

1193
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: I would mix it with water when I get down

1194
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: to wherever these uh new locations were, maybe out of

1195
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: state for an example, and I would spray down everything

1196
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: as high as I could reach all around me. And

1197
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: I would literally have dear on that camera within twenty

1198
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,479
Speaker 1: minutes after I leave. And it was from spraying down

1199
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: and getting the scent in that area, that sweet aroma

1200
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: and scent, and they were curious. They would come out

1201
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: and they would start nipping at the leaves that it

1202
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: was on, and I would just get a bunch of

1203
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: pictures within you know, twenty minutes to half an hour

1204
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: after leaving that location. M so. So to answer your question,

1205
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: I used the cameras on field edges H new locations

1206
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: around the water, uh, new locations out of state, you know,

1207
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: like a new set, just to see if there's anything

1208
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: in the area. Initially, UM, and then obviously I keep

1209
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: file after file after file on the computer. UM, A

1210
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: couple of different files on the phone of just pictures

1211
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: of deer that that may be on you know, my

1212
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: hit list. I guess you'd call it. So then I

1213
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: would just take inventory. And then as the season goes on. UM.

1214
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I'm not if I'm walking by that camera,

1215
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm checking in. It doesn't matter if it's two days

1216
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: later or two weeks later. If I'm walking by, I

1217
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: got an extra that Steed card in my pocket and

1218
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm flipping switching out those chips. However, if I'm not

1219
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: walking by it, and I really want to think that this,

1220
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, this location is getting hot because I can

1221
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: maybe see it from the road or or some some way.

1222
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: I just feel that this is this time of the year,

1223
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: this this location really gets hot. I'll go ahead and

1224
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: go in there at night. That way, if I bought

1225
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: my deer, they're not bumping over onto the neighbors and

1226
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: getting whacked in the daylight. I bought them at night,

1227
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,479
Speaker 1: and then they typically don't know what I am because

1228
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: I want to flad, so they just run off. Sometimes

1229
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: I have a head lamp, I don't run off like

1230
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: thirty forty yards and just standing on watching and I'll

1231
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: change out the chip and they'll come right back in

1232
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: and come around there and start beating the boot water whatever.

1233
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: You So, when it's when it's time to go hunting,

1234
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: are you using that four wheeler again, um, so they

1235
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: feel comfortable or are you now dropping the four wheeler

1236
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: and making I guess a normal walk into your tree

1237
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: stand location. It depends. It depends on where it's at

1238
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: in a situation. Obviously, some places you don't want to

1239
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: take the quad in as much. UM. If I don't

1240
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: have a reason to have a quad in there, I

1241
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: won't take the quad in there. If it's I typically

1242
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: always walk to my stands UM. A couple of years ago,

1243
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: I started riding a bicycle once in a while, but

1244
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: it's just it just kind of gets cumbersome because you

1245
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: know where I'm riding, it's not really conducive to trails.

1246
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,479
Speaker 1: But you know, you can't really ride through a bean field,

1247
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So but yeah, I just

1248
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: I'll lose the quad. As far as when it comes

1249
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: to hunting time, I'm walking. UM A big thing with walking,

1250
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've learned. I keep learning, you know,

1251
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: we keep evolving technology. More technology comes out, and the

1252
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: more I learned. UM, Like, you know, I know you

1253
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: guys are familiar with city gear, some of them their stuff.

1254
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: I layer now. So I'm a big fan of layering

1255
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: now and I've learned that through working with the guys

1256
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: from sit to so as the season goes on, I'm

1257
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: carrying more and more layers in my pack. And my

1258
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: big thing is when I'm walking in and I tell

1259
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: you I'm walking and not using a clod anymore, I'm

1260
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: not getting all you know what I call skunked up.

1261
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm not getting all sweaty stinky from walking and sweating

1262
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: because I'm walking in thin layers. And then as the

1263
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: temperature dropper to even gets here and the sun goes down,

1264
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: I just throw another jacket on or a vest or

1265
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: the shacket you know, whatever I have in my pack.

1266
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: Speaking of them, Speaking of excess, you mentioned that a

1267
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: lot of the spots you hunt are big fields and

1268
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: fence rows and stuff like that. So I'm curious how

1269
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: do you handle access to those types of locations, because

1270
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, I imagine a lot of the situations is

1271
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: kind of tough to get in there without having to

1272
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: walk across the fields sometimes, whether it be in the

1273
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: morning or in the evenings after you hunt. How do

1274
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: you deal with getting good access and excess strategies in

1275
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: those kind of wide open environments without blowing everything out

1276
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: every time you're going. And now, well, the first thing

1277
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: I do is I obviously start hunting from the fringes,

1278
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I just stay out of wherever I

1279
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: think the core areas at, or I make a core area,

1280
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: I stay out of that unless it's dark. If it's

1281
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: dark and I have to go look for a deer

1282
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: that you know, a family member, a friend is arrowed

1283
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: or has drawn blood on blood on, then I'll go

1284
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: in there. But I only go in at dark. I

1285
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: won't won't go in there in a daylight. So that's

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01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: one thing I hunt the fringes. Um Obviously, I only

1287
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: hunt when the winds in our favor. So if if

1288
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: the wind is not in our favor, I can't go

1289
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: in that way. I can't not that stand. So and

1290
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: as far as access, I try, and you know, talk

1291
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: to the neighboring landowners to maybe park on their property

1292
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: and just you know, just get a trespassword right or

1293
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, where I can just

1294
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: staying access to walk across one of the sense wheads

1295
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: to get to my fense road. Then slipping, you know,

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01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: I call easy of access whatever the easiest way in,

1297
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: the easiest way out without being detected. Yeah, that makes sense.

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01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: Do do you ever have to um? You know, I

1299
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: get this question a lot and I've had to deal

1300
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: with it too. Where you've got deer out in the

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01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: field and you know, how how do you how do

1302
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: you deal with deer around your stand? You know, when

1303
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: you're done hunting, do you just wait it out and

1304
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 1: wait till they disappear? Or do you do things to

1305
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: try to spook them off without them realizing it's a hunter? Um?

1306
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: How do you handle those such of situations? It just

1307
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: like I said, it depends on a scenario. But you know,

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01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: most of the time and mornings, I just wait. I

1309
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: just wait until they move off. Um. If it's late

1310
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: late morning, I just wait. I just don't get down.

1311
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: I don't spook him, I said, as still as I can.

1312
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: I try not to move. Um as far as evening

1313
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: once it gets dark. Um, if they're still fairly close

1314
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: and there's you know, just a few does out there,

1315
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: what have you'r a couple of small bucks. I'll take

1316
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: like a water bottle and chuck it piny air away

1317
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: from me and let it hit close to them, and

1318
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: they just scatter, and then eventually they'll just walk off.

1319
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: They typically don't blow like, they just they don't know

1320
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: what it is, and they run off and they just

1321
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: stand there and they just know off the other way. Yeah, Yeah,

1322
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: that seems like the ideal is is to get him

1323
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: a move off without them realizing that there's some type

1324
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: of danger close by. But man, sometimes that's easier said

1325
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: than done. I've had a few times where I've tried

1326
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,799
Speaker 1: things like that, throwing things or making the coyote howl,

1327
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: And you occasionally get those deer that just get curious

1328
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: and then they just hang out and keep looking out

1329
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: and looking around, and that can end up being a

1330
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: long night. Um know that I've said an hour past

1331
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: dark before waiting, and they just threw a water bottle

1332
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: and they still don't leave, and I'm still waiting. And

1333
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: then you know, of course now you're thirsty, big daddy

1334
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: who steps out and you know you can't shoot, you

1335
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: can't all my gears at the base of the tree

1336
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: already lower down. I just can't move, So I still

1337
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: sit there. My wife will be texting me, phone blowing up. Unfortunately,

1338
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 1: you just gotta sit. Yeah. Yeah, speaking of speaking of

1339
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 1: big daddy of the big buck, what what kind of

1340
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: goals do you have now, Mike? Because you've killed you know,

1341
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: probably most likely the biggest buck of your life. So

1342
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: now when you're hunting, is that you're just looking for

1343
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: a certain size or age of a deer or do

1344
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: you hunt for a specific buck? Or what's your thought

1345
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: process there? Now I kind of change it up. I mean,

1346
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta make it interesting for yourself. You can't,

1347
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, get away from that. And I haven't at

1348
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: this point. Um, I always looked for an older deer.

1349
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not you know, I don't have you know,

1350
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: the acreage at some hunters have where I can let

1351
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: a deer grow to six seven years old? I just

1352
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: I just don't have that. UM. I try and take

1353
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: inventory of of the deer herd, and I typically try

1354
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: to go for the biggest buck, but get that bigger

1355
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: buck is only three and a half and the older

1356
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: bucks four and a half or vice versa. You know,

1357
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 1: bigger bucks four and a half and the older bucks

1358
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: five and a half. I'll let the bigger bucks go

1359
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: to shoot the older bucks in most cases because I

1360
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: want them to get as mature as possible. UM. I

1361
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: had both instances this year, and I left the deer

1362
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: walk he was five and a half. At four and

1363
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: a half, he was an eight point with one drop

1364
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: time it was about two inches long. At five and

1365
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: a half, he was an eight point with four drop times,

1366
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: so a twelve point and all four drop times were

1367
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: you know, the longest one was like three an the

1368
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: other one were like two and one inch. And I

1369
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to shoot him. I had him at one

1370
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: of my water tanks for an hour in front of

1371
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: me in video the whole thing, and I just did

1372
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: not eat him because I wanted to see what he

1373
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: would be next year if he grew. If you want

1374
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 1: from one drop time to four drop times. I thought,

1375
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: holy cow, what what's he gonna be next year? With

1376
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, five or six inch drop times? He's going

1377
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 1: to be a stud you know, just something to really

1378
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: right about. And unfortunately the neighbor shot. Yeah. Yeah, So

1379
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: in a situation like that, though, let's let's hypothetically say

1380
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: that the buck didn't get killed by a neighbor. You

1381
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: you got pictures of him maybe after the season, and

1382
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 1: now you know he's the deer that you really want

1383
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: this coming season. What would your you know, I know

1384
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 1: you've described kind of generic things when it comes to scouting,

1385
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: but what would your hunting season strategy look like if

1386
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: you're going into the two to two thousand seventeen years,

1387
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: it's opening day and you know that buck is alive?

1388
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: How would your season kind of progress? How would you

1389
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: be thinking about things if you were after one deer

1390
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: like that, Um, I would say I would probably um

1391
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: still hunt the fringes that well before she's come in.

1392
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: I would absolutely be scouting from a distance and just

1393
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: getting as gathering as much intel as possible. Where the

1394
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,839
Speaker 1: deer's coming out, what field, what corner of the field,

1395
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: what was the win like, what time of the day

1396
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,719
Speaker 1: was it and so on. So I would be gathering

1397
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: intel and I actually carry like a little I don't

1398
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: want to say, a diary, you know, but just like

1399
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: a little notebook and I'll flip through and I'll just

1400
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: start writing down like the day time, what what deer

1401
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: encounters I had, And I do that typically every season.

1402
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: It just stays in my pack. So I, uh, I

1403
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: would do that first, and then you know, second, obviously

1404
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: I would be making sure my my trail cameras. If

1405
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: I'm picking them up on one their farm, um starting

1406
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: to shy away from checking that trail camera once a

1407
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: week and less once again, I have to refill the

1408
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: water tank. If he's coming to the water tank and

1409
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: he's drinking out fresh water, I am not changing any tactics.

1410
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: I'm staying on that water once a week, checking camera.

1411
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: And then you know, I may end up having someone

1412
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: come in fill the water that day when season comes

1413
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: in and I slip off the you know, the quad

1414
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: and up into the tree watch running and then he

1415
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: takes off and leaves. I've done that before. Yeah, So

1416
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: I mean it just it just really depends on the situation.

1417
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I targeted uh, not this past season,

1418
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: but season before. I actually targeted about a hundred and

1419
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: sixties some audience ten point and I knew where that

1420
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: deer was living. I knew we're he was sleeping, um

1421
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: all from a distance getting really pressuring, and I hunted

1422
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 1: on the fringe and what you know it early season

1423
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: he comes walking by on the fringe right past the

1424
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: two three I was in and all kind of cover.

1425
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: You had no idea I was there, and you know,

1426
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: double lundon six yards later, add my hands on him.

1427
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: That's that's awesome. Can you can you tell us about

1428
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: um you mentioned you're in in a cedar tree? Can

1429
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: you talk about the things you typically look for in

1430
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: a stand set up? You know, is there any type

1431
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: of tree or is there any type of you know,

1432
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: do you like to be up at a certain height

1433
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: or things like that that you like to particularly try

1434
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: to make happen when you're putting a tree and stand

1435
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: or standard in tree. Yeah, yeah, I well, there's a

1436
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things when it comes to stand place.

1437
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: It's like like I'm not afraid to pick a day

1438
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: in a you know, in the midsummer when it's really hot,

1439
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 1: middle of the day, like I'll spend most of the

1440
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: mid day setting a set. Like I'll go out. I

1441
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: already know kind of what tree I want to get

1442
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: in always, you know, put my sticks together on the ground,

1443
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: lay them up against the tree. On one section. I'll

1444
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: take a rat to strap around the tree and ratchet

1445
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: it down. Then put the strap on for the for

1446
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: the step the climbing sticks and sent it down tight.

1447
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: And then pop the ratchet strap. And man, that things

1448
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: really sent down tight against the tree. It's no loosey

1449
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: goosey stuff, right. So I spent a lot of time

1450
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: doing that because I want to be as quiet and

1451
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: stealthy as possible climbing in and out of that tree.

1452
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't want anything creaking, crackling, none of that metal popping. Um.

1453
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: So then I get up in the tree obviously you know,

1454
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: I've got like a lineman harness, and I throw the

1455
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: rope around the tree and belt off, and then I

1456
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: started hanging my set. I hang my set, get up

1457
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: and then start trimming my shooting lane. When I trimmed

1458
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: my lanes, I take my time, and if I have

1459
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: to climb up and down that tree fifty times, I'll

1460
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: do it. But you know who needs cross good at

1461
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 1: that point, right, So I'll I'll take on trim and

1462
01:16:55,720 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 1: shooting lanes and then you know, pack it up of

1463
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: the day and get out of there and not have

1464
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: to worry about messing with it anymore. Yeah. Yeah, that

1465
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: can be uh, that can be frustrating when you're a

1466
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: one man person, when you're single person trying to deal

1467
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: with shooting lanes and you're growing up and down, up

1468
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: and down, up and down someone. Yeah. Well, the other

1469
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: thing I do too is when I'm when I'm turning

1470
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: those lanes, Um, I I typically don't cut the tree

1471
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: limbs all the way out of my way, Like I'll

1472
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: just almost like it's almost like hinge cut him. I'll

1473
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: just cut him a little bit and let him fall

1474
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: down just enough out of my way. And I don't

1475
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: like I saved as much cover as possible. Yeah, make

1476
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: sure you stay hitting up in that tree. That makes sense. So, yeah,

1477
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: because once to get I'm in the Midwest, I'm in

1478
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: open fields and fence rows. You run out of cover

1479
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: really quick when fall gets here. Yeah. Yeah, bet so

1480
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: you talked about earlier how a lot of the beginning

1481
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: part of the season you're focused on the fringes and

1482
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: sometimes like that one year two years ago, that works

1483
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: out and they you're able to get a shout out

1484
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: of deer early in the fringes the type area. But

1485
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 1: what happens when you get to the rut um You

1486
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: still haven't killed a buck yet down there. You talked

1487
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: about funnels and pinch points um briefly, but can you

1488
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 1: elaborate on what your run hunting strategy looks like, what

1489
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: specifically like, what types of funnels are pinch points are

1490
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: you actually hunting down that part of the country, and

1491
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: what other things are you doing at that time of year? Well,

1492
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: mainly mainly the contour the land would be my what

1493
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: I would base my funnels or pinch points on. And

1494
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: the I used the fence roads to my advantage. So

1495
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: the deer are going to travel as spence roads are

1496
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 1: fairly within bow range of those spence roads keep from

1497
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: going out into the open fields. So you know, once again,

1498
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: I only hunt when the when the winds in my favor,

1499
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 1: and you know it doesn't really matter to me. You

1500
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 1: know how much scent control you practice, you still you

1501
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 1: know you a deer can breathe in one breath and

1502
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: you know he's breathing in like five or six different

1503
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: sense that he can tell apart. So I'm I'm practicing

1504
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: good scent control, you know, um, just making sure that

1505
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: that I'm in an area that the wind is in

1506
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: my favor the best. And then as far as like

1507
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, I used cover sense like um during the

1508
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: rut and and even preseason, like if a deer's gonna

1509
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 1: smell me, I would rather smell something else that gets

1510
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: their mind off of me and my sense, even though

1511
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: I practice good scent control. Um. We were talking earlier

1512
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: about you know, layering like my I learned so much

1513
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: on you know, I was telling you, I don't know,

1514
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago at that show where I

1515
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: see you at about an Alaska trip, I dumbfounded by

1516
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 1: how Marino Will worked with sent control. So now I

1517
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: apply Marino Will to my base lay or my skin layer,

1518
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: and I'll take like two sets and I rotate them

1519
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 1: every hunt, and in every two weeks, I washed them

1520
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: in nonsense soap and air drying and start to process

1521
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: all over again. So I'm really trying to practice good

1522
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: scent control by by using that Marino War with my

1523
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: bass layer. Right, So then I get in well, what

1524
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: if the deer can't smell something that's it's not quite right.

1525
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be my smell, so I

1526
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: try and mask that smell. So I'll use a covered

1527
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: sin and i'll use a covered center like poon urine.

1528
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: So raccoons are from coast to coast, They're they're everywhere, right,

1529
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: So everywhere a white sail that you see a raccoon.

1530
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: So I'll use raccoon urine. And I call it like

1531
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: three points of contact. So I'll put a spray at

1532
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: at my feet level, at my waist level, and then

1533
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: above my head if I stand up in a tree.

1534
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: So but I put the year raccoon you're in on

1535
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: the actual tree. I never sprayed on my person because

1536
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to contaminate my clothes at that point.

1537
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And so I'll use cover sense.

1538
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: And then when it comes time for rut, I'll use

1539
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: flower sense, what I call lower sense. I'll use like

1540
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: Sam's got some tremendous urine at uh, this is dough

1541
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: to the do and heat. I'll use that occasionally on

1542
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: like a drag rag or I'll use it with sent

1543
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: wicks and place them about fifteen feet apart in like

1544
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: a triangular pattern or a square, so where it's it's

1545
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: blown like a bigger sheet of scent if you would

1546
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: down into like their bedding or up a fence row.

1547
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: And then every once in a while I've had some

1548
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: luck to using the land mine, which is a bottle

1549
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: of urine is berried, so I've had some luck with that.

1550
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: I kill killed my thirteen pointition of off off the

1551
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: land mine. So as far as rut tactics cover sense

1552
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: lower sense rattling, I'll do some rattling um calling. I

1553
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 1: still do this day. Use the can from Primo us,

1554
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: use grunt two and try to mimic you know, a

1555
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: dough and a buck, you know, mating or they're mating

1556
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: calls to each other. Um. As far as rattling, uh

1557
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: seems like earlier in the season, I just kind of

1558
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: tinkle the antlers together and get you know, a little

1559
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: bit more aggressive as the season goes on and it

1560
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: gets into rut um. I typically started at the top

1561
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: of the tree with me like hanging on my pack

1562
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: and just tinkle one together, like right before dark or something.

1563
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: It just to me it mimics a couple of younger

1564
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: bucks just kind of sparring out there early season, trying

1565
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: to you know, shoulter out who's gonna be the man.

1566
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: And then you know, sometimes it will work where a nice, big,

1567
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: mature buckle just step out and see what's going on.

1568
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: And then as the season gets closer to rut or

1569
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of right, like, I'll rattle y'all, tinkle

1570
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: it first case ups close and I want to scook

1571
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: them off, you know, so if nothing's close and the

1572
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: thickets around me, then I'll start really getting on them

1573
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: with the with the antlers, and then I'll tie them

1574
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: off to my pull up rope, you know, prior to rattling,

1575
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: and I'll just lower my pull up rope down to

1576
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: the ground and then I just just like I'm jigging

1577
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: while I'm fishing, i just pull up and let him

1578
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: fall and let him hit and flash together and leaves

1579
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 1: and man. That's that's been a really good tactice for me. Hm.

1580
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: I've heard about people doing that and I've never tried myself,

1581
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: but it makes sense. I mean, there's you get that

1582
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: added noise of the leafs and different things like that,

1583
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: and then you you got that sound right down there

1584
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 1: at ear level for deer. Um, that's that's interesting. Um. Yeah,

1585
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: and they come and they come in, they come in quick,

1586
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 1: and they come in with their head down, looking down

1587
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: and set it up in my general direction. If I'm

1588
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: rattling in the tree. Do you use decoys or anything

1589
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: at that time of year? Um? I have and I

1590
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 1: have never had any luck in this area with decoys. Um.

1591
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: It kind of turns my dear side out. I mean

1592
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 1: I've tried everything from you know, different you know, uh

1593
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: manufacturers of decoys. I've tried different decoys. I've tried you know,

1594
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: white uh like tissue paper or something on sent it

1595
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: on on the tale to give it a little bit

1596
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 1: of movement. I mean, I've tried it all, and it

1597
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 1: just seems like there's always like that those one or

1598
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: two mature does that come out here that just go

1599
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,799
Speaker 1: inside out and they seem to just want to stand

1600
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: there all night and blow out, and I'm just like

1601
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm done. So I I typically don't use any I

1602
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: tried hard for like four or five years. I really

1603
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 1: gave it a volume after it and just no luck

1604
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah. It always does seem like one of

1605
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: those high risk, higher reward types of things and uh,

1606
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 1: I always worry about that risk too, but uh but

1607
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: when it happens, I finally had luck this past year

1608
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: pulling it off. It was pretty cool when it all

1609
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,520
Speaker 1: came together. But there are a whole lot more unsuccessful

1610
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: attempts before that. So I get where you're coming from. Yeah,

1611
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and then you see like staying

1612
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: pots still sit out there, and I we're in Illinois.

1613
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: Man will just come in there and just they'll get

1614
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 1: in a bar fight with these decoys and I'm like,

1615
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: where's the does you know why aren't they blowing it

1616
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: to me? Yeah? Yeah? So uh so Dan, what are

1617
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: you thinking over there? What do you want to know? Well,

1618
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: all this talks got me, uh getting fired up for

1619
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: this upcoming season, right, So thank you for After this podcast,

1620
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, you know, try to have a conversation

1621
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: with my wife about something that's not deer hunting, and

1622
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm gonna be thinking one thing and

1623
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: saying something completely out right. I guess I do have

1624
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 1: a question though, for you that moment you killed that

1625
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: big buck right back in two thousand two today and

1626
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: and learning what you've learned and you know, adjusting your

1627
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: tactics and you have your your own you know, the

1628
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: path that you take throughout a season, and listening to

1629
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: other guys maybe tell their story or talk to you

1630
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 1: over the years. Do you think there's one particular thing, um?

1631
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: And not necessarily one, because I know as as bow

1632
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: hunters we make a lot of mistakes and we have

1633
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: to be able to learn from those mistakes. But do

1634
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 1: you feel that there is a common mistake um, the

1635
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: average hunter makes throughout a year that um that if

1636
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: they just maybe tweet to that one way or the other,

1637
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: they'd be more successful. Uh, I would probably have to

1638
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: say really probably pressure. I mean, I just it just

1639
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: seems like over the years, if if I haven't learned

1640
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: anything else, it's just pressure. You get into an area

1641
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: where you you know, you you hunt too much or

1642
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: you hunt it too hard, and you just pressure the

1643
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: deer in general, the herd the deer or pressured. And

1644
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 1: if the deer pressured and they're not wanting to come out,

1645
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: and they're they're giving those reactions like they're constantly you know,

1646
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: looking around and and and they're not they're not comfy

1647
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: in their comfort zone. I never I'll never think that

1648
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: the big mature whitetail buck is gonna step out there

1649
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 1: with the deer herd. It's kind of uneasy or unsettled.

1650
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? It does. Yeah, So I would

1651
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: have to say pressure. Um. Pressure can come in a

1652
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: variety of ways. Um, whether it be from you know,

1653
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 1: walking in the same trail every time, um, you know,

1654
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 1: getting in the tree every day at the same time,

1655
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 1: getting out at the same time. I mean, I see

1656
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot of deer, Like I'm when I scan the

1657
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: woods before I get out of the tree, like say

1658
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: mid morning, I'm not literally looking in the field and

1659
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: seem anything can see me. I'm looking in the woods

1660
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: like I'm still looking for white patches. So subtle movement,

1661
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 1: a flicker of the tail, like I I've had deer

1662
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: stand in the fringe of the woods that they blend

1663
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 1: in so well, you know they're watching you. So that

1664
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 1: pressure could be from you getting in and out of

1665
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: your tree. Now you're educating them, you know, you just

1666
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: just like turkey hunting, you keep calling with that palm

1667
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:20,799
Speaker 1: every day at the same time in the same spot.

1668
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna gobble, but he's gobbling looking for another you

1669
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: know him. He's not gonna come into you. You're educating

1670
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: me and I feel God do that with deer using

1671
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 1: the same call all the time, the same rattling sequence

1672
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: all the time, you know, just change stuff up, don't

1673
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 1: be afraid to to. You know, we're evolved, be smarter.

1674
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: You've gotta be smarter than the deer. So, so that

1675
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 1: being said, you've gotta start thinking outside the box, and

1676
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not listen so much to Mike Batty

1677
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 1: and rattle up in a tree. Maybe maybe getting the

1678
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: ground rattle on the ground, you know, hunt I have

1679
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 1: a ground blow and just change stuff up. Yeah, it's

1680
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: a great point. Um, speaking of these different lessons learned, um,

1681
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: I always find that one of the best ways for

1682
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 1: me to learn is hearing about, you know, specific applications. Um.

1683
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: So you mentioned you killed a thirteen point of this

1684
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: past season. Can you tell us what you did on

1685
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 1: that hunt or what whether it be on that hunt

1686
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: or in the days leading up to it, what about

1687
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: that situation led to you killing that buck? How did

1688
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: that all come together? Well? Um, I, first off, this

1689
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: particular spot, I actually had a cell camera in and

1690
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have to go in there as much and

1691
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't as pressured, So I think that that led

1692
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: to some of the success on this hunt. UM. Second,

1693
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: I went in with the intent of setting all day. UM,

1694
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: so I didn't want I got into. I always seem

1695
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: to get in an hour hour and a half, sometimes

1696
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: two hours, maybe even a little more, sometimes before daylight.

1697
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: And it just depends on where I'm going. Like if

1698
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: I know it's a good spot, I'll get in and

1699
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: I'll pour everything up, and everything is set up, and

1700
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, you almost I almost can feel like each

1701
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: spot because you spend so much time in it throughout

1702
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: the year, Like I can almost feel like I know

1703
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: where I'm putting the bow hanger, where I'm hanging my

1704
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: pack in this particular set, and what side I'm pulling

1705
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 1: my bow up on, and and so on. So I

1706
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: try to get in as early as possible and try

1707
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 1: and get set and be quiet, like set in the

1708
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: dark and I can't see anything, not even my hand

1709
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: in front of my face. I don't use any lights, UM,

1710
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 1: no lights going in, no lights coming out. UM, gloves

1711
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: and masks on going in and out. You know, I'm

1712
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: a Caucasian guy. It's you know, a bald guy, and

1713
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm pretty white, you know, and that suns out. I

1714
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:56,600
Speaker 1: don't want it glaring off my beam, you know what

1715
01:30:56,640 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean. So I'm wearing stuff that because deer can

1716
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 1: see at night too. So I'm I'm trying to slip

1717
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: in undetected and slip out undetected. And you know, if

1718
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: that means I said all day in in the best

1719
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: spot I have, I will, And that's what happened with

1720
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: this thirteen point I ended up. I was gonna set

1721
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: all day. It was kind of right before Rutt was

1722
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: kicking in, and these bucks were cruising and they were

1723
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: just trying to go for betting to betting, trying to

1724
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 1: find a hot dough. Um. I actually had three or

1725
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: four does come out run out of this thicket, and

1726
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: I thought, man, here he comes, He's gonna be behind him,

1727
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: and they would just by themselves and they just come

1728
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: running through and mild off and I'm like, what the heck,

1729
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: where's he? What scooped him? So of course we have

1730
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 1: a big tim tyote issue here. I believe in Ohio,

1731
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: just like most states anymore, they have no creditors here.

1732
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking maybe some coyotes, you know, clumped them

1733
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: out of the ticket. So I'm looking at nothing. So

1734
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: you two or three times out and set in the

1735
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: past few years with bow, and I figured when we

1736
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 1: was gonna come step and grow. So I get up

1737
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: and I grabbed my boone and I'm just getting ready

1738
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: waiting on an them shows up. So I sat there

1739
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: for I don't know, probably know fifteen minutes. That's up

1740
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 1: in front of me. There's there's a little bit of

1741
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: a thinker of a food plot in this edge of

1742
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: the stick it and there's I put one of the

1743
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 1: land mines in and I don't know if you guys

1744
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: ever seen him through this, a small bottle of urine,

1745
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:30,640
Speaker 1: and they got a whip on them, and I just

1746
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 1: altered out a hole, slide it down and pack around

1747
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: it and pull the wiout in the scents there what

1748
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I can only use that in specific areas that I

1749
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: have active scrapes, Like I won't go make my own scrapes.

1750
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: I try not to do any of that stuff, like

1751
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 1: if it's not made by a deer, I try not

1752
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 1: to really mess with it or try and make them

1753
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 1: go there, like I want them to go to their

1754
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: natural areas and make those scrapes and scrape lines. So

1755
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: on this particular area, there was like four or five

1756
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 1: scrapes right in a row. So I picked one of

1757
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: the smaller straits and set this thing up. Well, I

1758
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 1: put a camp that wireless camera over it, and I

1759
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 1: had you know, four or five nights bucks coming in there,

1760
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:11,879
Speaker 1: but one was thirteen point pretty good one. But anyhow,

1761
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: I ended up by I heard something coming from behind me,

1762
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: and I turned around and look. Before I could get

1763
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, you know, arranged in the tree, he just

1764
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: like kind of gold the right out for an eathom.

1765
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,520
Speaker 1: He shot out for anthem and he stopped and looked around,

1766
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: went over, got a drink and went over worked that

1767
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 1: that straight or the one next to it, and then

1768
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: walked into the thickot. It was an eight point probably

1769
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: on and I was like, yeah, gon, just enough to

1770
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 1: get your blood helping, you know. And I was just

1771
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: like on pins and needles, and then he left. I

1772
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: had along my hunt's gonna be over for you know,

1773
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 1: until the heating saw. I sat back down. Of course,

1774
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 1: you gotta set set all day, you gotta you gotta

1775
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: get a comfortable stand. So I had one that had

1776
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: textboom the crops on with really like So I was

1777
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: sitting in this stand and um, probably another five or

1778
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: ten minutes went by and I heard from behind me

1779
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,680
Speaker 1: it sounded like squirrels playing in the leaves. Before I

1780
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 1: could even turn around and look off, running through the

1781
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: thickest part of the fens row and shot right out

1782
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 1: learning me close to where the eight point came out,

1783
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: and it was that thirteen point, and he just stopped

1784
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 1: right in front of me and like five yards and

1785
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 1: just was looking around into the thicket, like standing the

1786
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 1: thicket up into the thicket, and I mean I already

1787
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 1: have my bow my hand at that point. I just

1788
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: was like, man, dude, it's your unlucky day. I mean,

1789
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 1: he was right there and he just you know, he's

1790
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: probably mid one sixties, so I just like, boom, he's

1791
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: done day. You know. Yeah, for sure, for sure that

1792
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: encounters were it wasn't so so easy, you know, and

1793
01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 1: I've learned from it. But this year went off thought

1794
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: it hits pretty easy. It's nice when it all comes together,

1795
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 1: that's for sure, no doubt. Yeah. So so I feel

1796
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,759
Speaker 1: like there's a ton more we could talk about white tails. Um,

1797
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 1: but before we wrap things up, which we need to

1798
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: hear pretty quickly, I wanted to make sure we at

1799
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 1: least heard a little bit about the story you told

1800
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 1: me this past couple of weeks ago. You were telling

1801
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 1: me about your Alaskan hunt you went on this past year,

1802
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 1: and it's not like that was just amazing. Um, could

1803
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about that hunt and uh,

1804
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 1: and maybe why an Alaska hunt something we should be

1805
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: thinking about someday. Oh dude, It's like it's like where

1806
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: we were at it was like God has never let

1807
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: anyone walk up through there before. It's like literally untouched turf,

1808
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just amazing. Every the only way

1809
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 1: I can explain every every place in Alaska, it seems

1810
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: like every direction you look, it's like a different postcard,

1811
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: and like you just can't get enough of it. Like

1812
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 1: even when you leave, you crave to go back just

1813
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: to see the mountains and just the scenery and just

1814
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 1: the atmosphere. But it's so wild and untamed, it's literally ridiculous. Um.

1815
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: We me and my son, my son stationed up in

1816
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 1: Alaska and my daughters in the military as well. But

1817
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 1: we uh, we drew a tag for a doll sheep

1818
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 1: tag in the top management area, which is like a

1819
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 1: one or two draw, So I mean, it's like hitting

1820
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: the lottery, right, So I'm thinking, man, we're gonna have

1821
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 1: sheep all over us. So anyhow, we we contacted an

1822
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: airline company, a taxi and they dropped us off in

1823
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 1: this river bottom. What it took us now, I'm locked

1824
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:44,759
Speaker 1: in you this unbelievable. But it took us eighteen hours

1825
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: eight hours the first day because we didn't get in

1826
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 1: because we were socked in because of range. So we

1827
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 1: got any light eight hours the first day. We set

1828
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: up camp in this little white sand bar that actually

1829
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 1: rocks against this cliff edge. Then from there another ten

1830
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 1: hours the next day just to get to our base

1831
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 1: camp where we set up to start seeing sheep. And

1832
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: that was to two guys eight pound packs self guided. UM.

1833
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: I trained for ten months, twenty one days and three

1834
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 1: hours for that hunt. I mean just all in, hauling

1835
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: the mail every day, just as much weight as I

1836
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,759
Speaker 1: could get on me, and hiking as much as I could.

1837
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: So we get up in there. And to make a

1838
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 1: long story short, it we've seen sheep. They were on

1839
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 1: the other side of the canyon. UM. And when I

1840
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: say canyon, it was like it was literally like a

1841
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 1: mile mile and a half across. It was just ridiculous big.

1842
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: So we've seen sheep over there, we've seen two shooters.

1843
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: We made plans that afternoon to go see what they

1844
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 1: were gonna do that evening. This was like two or

1845
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 1: three days into the hunt. Um, see what they're gonna

1846
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 1: do that evening and then make a move on the

1847
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: next morning and try and get up and cross the

1848
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: pack up camping down across the canyon stream and back

1849
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: up the other side. Um. So, anyhow, that evening, um

1850
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: too big grizzly showed up, one on each end of

1851
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 1: the canyon, and man, they just they beat everything out

1852
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: of the canyon. We had moose, like a sixty inch

1853
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: moose and in velvet um probably a four plus caribou

1854
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 1: on the other side of the canyon. They were all

1855
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: all the game was on the other side of the canyon,

1856
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 1: except for a black bear that actually came in close

1857
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: to camp, which we had a black bear tag, but

1858
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 1: we were early in a hunt and we wanted to

1859
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 1: kill our seats, so but yeah, the bear were everywhere.

1860
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, we had a we had a bang up

1861
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 1: time and there was a lot of fun. We learned

1862
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot um get much sleep at night because the bear.

1863
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it sounds incredible, and it makes me really

1864
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 1: excited to get out there. Like I was telling you,

1865
01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm tentatively planning on my first trip out there this years,

1866
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,680
Speaker 1: so so I'm pretty pumped about that. You have a

1867
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 1: blast um if you if if your listeners do nothing else,

1868
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: that they can just get to Alaska. You don't have

1869
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 1: to go on a big game hunt, go on a hike,

1870
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 1: go go fishing. The fishing is phenomenal up there, and

1871
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 1: just in the little streams and rivers you catch silver

1872
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 1: salmon and pink salmon and they're just so delicious. Any

1873
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 1: single piece of advice you can give someone who's planning

1874
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 1: or going to be going on their very first Alaskan trip,

1875
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,600
Speaker 1: is there anything you learned this past season that you

1876
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,719
Speaker 1: wish you had known beforehand that you can pass along

1877
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 1: the listeners Now, I would say as far as like

1878
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 1: um stuff that really saved us and we really didn't

1879
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 1: think about it. It's time, Well one would be trained.

1880
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 1: You obviously need to train for for the environment you're

1881
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 1: gonna be in. If you're gonna be on a tundra,

1882
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 1: train for like spongy, soupy, nasty hiking forever to try

1883
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: and get close to caribou or bear. You're gonna be

1884
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 1: in the mountains, you need to train on a on

1885
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: a if nothing else will StairMaster with as much weight

1886
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 1: in the pack as you can get. UM as far

1887
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,800
Speaker 1: as like gear, I think I was sharing this with you.

1888
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: Um we had gore pants and jacket on when it

1889
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 1: was raining one day and trying to to like hop

1890
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 1: across these little streams it's coming off these mountains. The

1891
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:25,799
Speaker 1: streams are so violent. The water is moving so fast

1892
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: from like glacier runoffs and stuff, and there's there's like

1893
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 1: no fish in them. I mean, they're just it's like

1894
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 1: silk and stuff in there, like almost the gray. Sometimes

1895
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: they're clear and men. It's just so violent. So we're

1896
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 1: trying to get across these things, and we're trying to

1897
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 1: do it without getting our boots wet, because once you

1898
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 1: get your boots wet, you're kind of done. You gotta

1899
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: get them dried out because you don't get blisters, right,

1900
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 1: So we wore two para socks boots. And then what

1901
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: we found halfway through the trip was if we took

1902
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 1: the gators, UM doesn't doesn't necessarily have to sit? Is

1903
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: that sit that makes gators that they over top of

1904
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 1: your boots and as sticks from going up in your

1905
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 1: strings and your boot laces and stuff. Well, if you

1906
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 1: put those over top of your boots and then over

1907
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: top of your your gore pants, your rain your pants,

1908
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 1: and a waterproof they're literally like waiters. Like as long

1909
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: as you didn't stand in the water for forever, if

1910
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: you like got across quickly, you could walk probably fifteen

1911
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 1: to twenty yards wide. You could get across streams that

1912
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: wide that were knee deeper deeper as long as you

1913
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: didn't go over your waist, you know, and you could

1914
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 1: get across those and your boots still want what on

1915
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: the inside. So that would be my number one piece

1916
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 1: of gear if I was heading to Alaska, would definitely

1917
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 1: be a really good rain suit, like a Cortex rain suit,

1918
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: and then those gators and then obviously a good pair

1919
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 1: of boots. I think I had like lower Hunter gk

1920
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 1: X as they had a real heavy ran a rubber

1921
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:53,839
Speaker 1: rain around the bottom to keep the shale from cutting

1922
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:58,759
Speaker 1: your leather. But yeah, that and then you know, kill something.

1923
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: I guess that health well, I'd say that you have

1924
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: effectively gotten us pumped not only for white tails now,

1925
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 1: but also to try to go to Alaska someday, so

1926
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 1: that's a fact. Yeah, well this has been a lot

1927
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:17,040
Speaker 1: of fun. Uh, Dan, do you have any final question

1928
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:19,599
Speaker 1: or final thoughts before we wrapped us up? I think

1929
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm good man, Hey, good luck this upcoming season. Yeah, hey,

1930
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:26,559
Speaker 1: you two. Do you ever get to go back out

1931
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:32,240
Speaker 1: to the shipwrecks shipwrecks resting place? I've I've been, I've

1932
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 1: seen the full body mount I've seen every time I

1933
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 1: go back and back home to that area, I uh,

1934
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 1: I go and visit. I go and stop by the

1935
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: shop and say hi to Sam. Yeah, that dude, Salt

1936
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 1: of the Earth man. He's a good stud man. But hey,

1937
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure. Guys. Be safe and best of

1938
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 1: luck to you guys in your your listeners. Um, if

1939
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: anybody shoots like a three or seven, please email me.

1940
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 1: I'll be able to see it and touch it. Yeah.

1941
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe someday we can do the same with you

1942
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 1: or is that seems like a pretty incredible dear. It

1943
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 1: was an awesome story, So thank you Mike for for

1944
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: sharing all this, not only that story, but then also

1945
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 1: what you've been doing in the years past. It's been awesome,

1946
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: So thank you, yes, sir, Thank you guys, I appreciate you,

1947
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 1: and that is it for us today. Before we go though,

1948
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,719
Speaker 1: big things to our partners at Sitka Gear, Yetie Cooler's,

1949
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 1: Matthew's Archery, Maven Optics, Whitetail, Institute of North America, Carbon Express,

1950
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: and hunt Terra Maps. And finally, thank you all for listening.

1951
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed our chat with Mike today and

1952
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:36,639
Speaker 1: I hope you'll stay while you're don