1 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Get the 2 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: Charge podcast, presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: is Stemen and I am the host as always, and 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: joining me is my guy Tyler. Tyler, what's up man? 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: How are you doing this afternoon? 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: What was first just a dream for this Chargers offense 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: has not become a frightening reality for those who may 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: oppose Justin Herbert and Keenan Allen Stephen, I'm doing fantastic 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: the Chargers one. 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: How are you doing? 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm doing great, man, I'm doing great. Much better do 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: podcasts after win than a loss. So really excited to 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: dive into today's show and yesterday's game. We're recording this 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: on Monday, so this will be Wednesday for you guys, 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: but we'll dive into the game. We like doing the 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: five Truths segments, so we're gonna stick with that. We'll 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: of course have our game ball segment and and a 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: look ahead to the Raiders game. It's officially Raiders week 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: as well, so another big week in the NFL for 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: the Chargers. Will have all of that plus the unfortunate 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: news that Mike Williams will be out for the season. 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: That's how we'll start the show off unfortunately today, So 23 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: before we get started, Tyler and I are fans of 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: the team just like you guys are. We've been giving 25 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: this platform by the team, and we're very excited and 26 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: grateful for it. The opinions that we express on this 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: show and every show are not always reflective of the 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: organization itself. At the end of the day, these opinions 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: are hours and hours alone, and you know, it should 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: be a lot of fun today outside of the entry talk. Unfortunately, 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: all right, Tyler, we do have to start there. Mike 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Williams officially diagnosed with the torn acl Feel awful for him. 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: You know, one of my favorite supporting Chargers of my lifetime. 34 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: I've got his jersey hanging on behind me. I'm wearing 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: a Mike Williams shirt today in his honor. So just terrible, 36 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: terrible news that he will be lost for the season. 37 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: You know, after having himself a great day, you know, 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: him and Keenan Allen both going over one hundred yards. 39 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: Your initial reaction specifically to Mike Williams and his injury 40 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: as we kind of braced for the worst, and ultimately 41 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: that is unfortunately what happened today. 42 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's devastating, and this offense does not have 43 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: outside of Mike Williams, a guy who can do those 44 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: Mike Williams things, and most teams don't. There's something that 45 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: Mike Williams provides, the X factor that he provides as 46 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: a receiver as literally an X factor as the X receiver. 47 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: That is just different and special and something we always 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: look forward to every year headings to Kansas City. Now 49 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 2: we don't get that. And it's unfortunate that the Chargers 50 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: finally started to show what this passing offense could look like, 51 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: even though, you know, not tons of deep shots or whatever, 52 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: but they got things going and they you know, just 53 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: Herbert as a career day, and you. 54 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: Lose Mike Williams, the guy who was a big part 55 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: of that. 56 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: I mean, one hundred and twenty one yards on his 57 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: own and a receiving touchdown. 58 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: Things were finally clicking. 59 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: The Chargers offense had momentum, and now he's out for 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: the year. And the unfortunate part of it is, and 61 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: there's no concrete one hundred percent this is going to 62 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: happen or not happen, but you can't help but feel 63 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: like this might be the end, this might have been 64 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: the last time that we saw Mike Williams with the Chargers. 65 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: Of course, he's on the team next year in terms 66 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: of contract, but there's so many decisions that they have 67 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: to make, and right now the odds are stacked against 68 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: him to return next season. So I hope for a 69 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: speedy recovery. But it's devastating. This team is not going 70 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: to be better with him gone. This offense is going 71 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: to suffer because he's not out there, and it's unfortunate 72 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: that it happened so early in the season and at all. 73 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, early season injuries are the worst because you never 74 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: really see what the potential really can be. Like Mike 75 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Williams had one hundred yard day yesterday. He had a 76 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: good game against the Titans, and there were just like 77 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: some little misses between him and Justin Herbert, Like in 78 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: terms of deep ball opportunities. I want to say he 79 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: was like top five in the league in air yards, 80 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: like just just potential air yards that he could have gained. 81 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: So we really could have seen, you know, a career 82 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: season for Mike Williams this year. Kellen Moore using him 83 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: in the slot more often, getting him the ball in 84 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: more creative ways, taking advantage of his size over the middle, 85 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: taking advantage of his ability after the catch. You can 86 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: nippick some of the usage. For sure. I would not 87 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: have done the jet sweep thing as much as as 88 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: much as Kellen did with with Mike Williams, But the 89 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: way that they were using him was just a more 90 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: creative approach that would have I think led to a 91 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: career season for Mike Williams. And like you mentioned, just 92 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: the X factor ability that he brings to the table. 93 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: We saw that yesterday against the Vikings, that that catch 94 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: down the right sideline right where how many guys really 95 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: that are six to five can really bend down and 96 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: catch that pass? Like not that many, right, But there's 97 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: just that X factor ability, that big play potential that 98 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: we've seen time and time again, whether it's against the 99 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: Chiefs or you know, against the Steelers on Sunday Night Football, 100 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: or whether it's against the Raiders, whether it's it's against 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: the Broncos on on Herbert's record breaking catch in twenty 102 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: twenty one. There's just that X factor and that trust 103 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: ability between Mike Williams and Keenan all. You know, just 104 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: excuse me, Mike Williams and Justin Herbert. Herbert has that 105 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: just always in in that at the forefront of his mind, like, hey, 106 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: like things might not be ideal, but I can just 107 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: go trust Mike to go make this play and give 108 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: him that opportunity, and more often than not, Mike Williams 109 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: is gonna come down with those passes. So it's an 110 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: unfortunate circumstance that so early on in the season, with 111 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: so much potential for him individually and for this pairing 112 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: between him and Justin Herbert, that he comes down with 113 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: a toworn acl so he is out for the season. 114 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: It's it's just awful. You know, these injuries are so avoidable, 115 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: freak incidents. There's gonna be a lot of narratives out there, 116 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: and there already are about him being injury prone. But 117 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: this is a freak accident that nobody can control. There's 118 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: no way around this kind of injury. Unfortunately just kind 119 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: of happened. So you know, they're gonna miss Mike Williams 120 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,119 Speaker 1: a lot. They're gonna miss that trust factor, that jump 121 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: ball ability. How do they move past this? I think 122 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: obviously it starts with Clinton Johnson. 123 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a few moments throughout the NFL and 124 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: throughout the recent charges history where players are thrust into 125 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: the spotlight when maybe they weren't ready or they weren't 126 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 2: asked to be. Keenan Allen actually is one of those players. 127 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert's one of those players, Jamari Sallier last year, 128 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: and now it's Quinton Johnston. You know, whatever the ramp 129 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: up period was, whatever the plan was for him, Well, hey, 130 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: it's the NFL. 131 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: Not everything goes according. 132 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: To plan, and this is not This was not the plan. 133 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: But Quentin Johnson. You drafted him to either be, you know, 134 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: a part of your offense this year, or to be 135 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: a replacement to one of these guys in the coming 136 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: years or whatever. But it has to be now. It 137 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: starts in week fourth for Quentin Johnson to whatever his 138 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 2: usage was, it's going to ramp up significantly. Training, wills 139 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: are off and hopefully he's ready. 140 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he hasn't been playing a ton in 141 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: long sixteen snaps yesterday against the Vikings. Obviously some of 142 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: that is due to the Mike Williams injury, but what 143 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: we've seen on tape and what next Gen Stats has 144 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: been tracking, is that Quentin Johnson's has been getting open. 145 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: He was credited by next next Gen Stats excuse me, 146 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: as having created over six yards per of separation per 147 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: route run according to their system and their tracking. So 148 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: he's getting open and that's showing up on tape, that's 149 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: showing up in the numbers. There were a couple opportunities 150 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: each of the last two weeks for him to potentially 151 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: create a big play, and I think we saw that 152 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: throughout training camp where he he's the primary read and 153 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: then Justin is able to throw that route. Sometimes that's 154 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: gone in situations where he's the number three read and 155 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: he's open, and you know the number one read is 156 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: Mike Williams or Keaton Owen and they're also open. So 157 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: now you know this is gonna pivot responsibilities and Quentin 158 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: Johnson's going to be the number one read on several routes. 159 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: He is the primary X receiver on this team. Now 160 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: going forward, you know Joshua Palmer can play some of that, 161 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: Keen and Allen can play some of that, but that's 162 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: Quentin's job. Like he is the primary X receiver, and 163 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: I expect him to do well because he's been getting 164 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: open with his opportunities and it's just a matter of 165 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert being able to develop that trust with him. 166 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: And I think obviously that's not gonna happen right away, 167 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: but you know they're going to have the rest of 168 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: the whole season to develop that kind of trust. And 169 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: I do expect Quinton to play well. And there's already 170 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: some chatter about, like, you know, trying to evaluate these players. 171 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: Right it's been three games and Quentin Johnson is like 172 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: forty snaps, like, let's pump the brakes. Quenton will be fine. 173 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: I think he'll do well in this role. 174 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: What do you think the expansion of his role will be, 175 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: and maybe specifically, what will he do differently and be 176 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: asked to do differently than someone like Josh Palmer, because 177 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: they asked Josh Palmer last year to just be whoever 178 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: was out and so I could see him doing maybe 179 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: more of the boundary work or something. 180 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 3: Do you think Quentin Johnson is. 181 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: More that middle of the field dig shallow, crosser, deep 182 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: over sort of stuff or what do you envision for him? 183 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: So for Palmer, first and foremost, I think one thing 184 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: that he one of the routes that he runs really 185 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: well is the slant, and that's such a crucial part 186 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: of what Mike Williams does for this team. So I 187 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: could see Josha Palmer taking over that kind of role 188 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: where it's the short, intermediate X stuff, you know, especially 189 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: out of like twelve personnel or when they go heavy 190 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: personnel and you know Josha Palmer has to win on 191 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: a slant. I think that's probably something you trust Palmer 192 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: to do more than Quentin Johnson at this current moment. 193 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: But like you mentioned, when it comes to deep routes, 194 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: like Quentin Johnson is that guy, like he's gonna be 195 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: the one running post, he's gonna be in corners, he's 196 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: the one gonna be running digs and all these kind 197 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: of routes to get him the ball deep. And so 198 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: I think anyone expecting him to be like one hundred 199 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: percent of the snaps like Mike Williams has been is 200 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit disappointed. But he's like they 201 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: don't have a choice, Like he's gonna be getting forty 202 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: five to fifty snaps a game now just because they don't. 203 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: They don't have any other guy like him on the roster, 204 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: So it's not gonna be the full Mike Williams complement 205 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: of targets. It's not gonna be the full Mike Williams 206 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: compliment of role, but I would I would guess that 207 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: he takes on the lion's share of that role, probably 208 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: seventy percent or more if I would have to guess 209 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: right now. 210 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no good timing for injuries, I guess, but 211 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: having the Raiders up next and then having a buy 212 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: to evaluate, Okay, yeah, what was the role? What could 213 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: the role be? What could we change? It's I guess 214 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: kind of good timing in that regard. I'm excited though, 215 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: like we we have one to see more for Quintin Johnson. 216 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: We've been asking for it and we're gonna get it. 217 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: For better or worse, he'll be out there more, and 218 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 2: I'm excited. 219 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is this is why you draft 220 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: Quinton John's in the first round. To have this kind 221 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: of depth, to have this kind of versatility. You know, 222 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: this obviously potentially could mean an expanding role for Darius Davis. 223 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: You know, we'll see about that one. Jalen Guyon still 224 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: kind of waiting to hear about his potential return, but 225 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: the Chargers are in a good spot from the wide 226 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: receiver perspective as what we talked about all summer long. 227 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: The wide receiver room has been is as deep as 228 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: it's been in quite some time. This isn't last year 229 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,359 Speaker 1: where the drop off from one to two is so drastic. 230 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: This year, they have options, starting with Quenton Johnson. I 231 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: think he's going to reward them. I think he's going 232 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: to play well and I think he's going to provide 233 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: some big splash plays himself, similar in a similar fashion 234 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: that Mike Williams has done. 235 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 236 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: I love the investment in the premium positions, and we 237 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: talked about why it's important. We've seen so far well 238 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: and I'm sure we'll talk about him today truly as 239 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: an edge rusher, Why was so important to go out 240 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: and get someone that early at a premium spot that's 241 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: paid off and now unfortunately, but fortunately they invested a 242 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: high pick in a receiver and that's going to pay 243 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: off again. Strong smart investments in premium positions. 244 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's gonna pay dividends for them. 245 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to our five truth segment. I'm 246 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: gonna start this one off. We did talk about Justin 247 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 1: Herbert's performance on Sunday on our show on our recap show. 248 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: I was a little hesitant to dub this his best 249 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: performance because I wanted to wait and see what the 250 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: film said. But my first truth is that was indeed 251 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's best performance of his career. That film that 252 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: I just watched today was ridiculously good. And the fact 253 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: that it came against a team that was sending pressure, 254 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: sending blitzes on eighty percent of Justin Herbert's dropbacks is insane. 255 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: There's the instance of the free rusher where he's on 256 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: his back foot and he just flicks that wrist and 257 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: it is Joshua Palmer for forty five yards, just the 258 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: easiest throw ever, and it's like, Okay, that's not supposed 259 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: to be that easy. You know, there's the rollout left 260 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: and the bullet across the line to Keenan Allen. You know, 261 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: there was the the corner route to Keenan Allen on 262 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: the you know when the Vikings wearing Tampa two. Look 263 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: the way that he handled pressure, the way that he 264 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: handled the blitz packages. I have never seen him that 265 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: dialed in on tape where he's calling out every single 266 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: thing at every single moment, Like we had talked about, 267 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: you know leading up to the Vikings game that you 268 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: know there has been some kind of mixed mixed results 269 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: when in terms of him, you know, calling things out 270 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: the line, doing checks and handling the protection packages and 271 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: handling everything that Kellen Moore is asking of him. But 272 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: it was so dialed in on this week against the 273 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings, where again eighty percent of the dropbacks were blitzed. 274 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: This it's the craziest thing. Like they were sending eight, 275 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: like they had eight people across the line on every 276 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: single snap. It felt like watching that tape and just 277 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: like calm and collected, didn't flinch. There might be some 278 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: other performances where like there were more splash plays, but 279 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: just like from a down in and down out basis, 280 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: I thought this was Justin Herbert's best performance of his 281 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: career and they simply do not win this game if 282 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: he's not that level of dialed in. You know, just 283 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: like needed every single play that they had from him, 284 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: and I thought that this was an outstanding performance against 285 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: a team who was super creative and trying to fluster him, 286 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: and it just did not phase him one bit. 287 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 4: Yesterday afternoon, Justin Herbert was so good that I almost 288 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: had to subscribe to Twitter Blue so I could post 289 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 4: enough of the videos of him in one tweet, because there. 290 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: Was just clip after clip after clip after clip. 291 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: Of him dialing it up against the blitz and it 292 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: was beyond just oh, let's just throw it to keenan On, 293 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: which again, that was a lot of it, but you 294 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: know in some games like the Cardinals, where maybe it 295 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: was just you know, get it to the guy and 296 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: maybe delay and pray and that's kind of it. You 297 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: really felt there was a sense of control at the 298 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: line that we have not seen. And I believe this 299 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: was the most he's been blitzed since the last time 300 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: they played, like the Vikings, Like that was the next 301 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: most times he was ever blitzed, and that was a 302 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: very different kind of performance. It certainly wasn't over four 303 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: hundred yards, three touchdowns, no turnovers. What he was able 304 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: to do at the line of scrimmage was phenomenal. And 305 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: credit to Kellen Moore and the game plan going into this, 306 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: because it wasn't just oh, Herbert had to figure it out, 307 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: and you know, they were bringing a lot and the 308 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: line wasn't ready and they weren't ready. They were very 309 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: much so prepared to deal with this the entire game. 310 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: And look, I get it from the Vikings perspective. You 311 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: watch the end of that Dolphins game. You watch how 312 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: protections have broken down for the Chargers. You watch how 313 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: Herbert hasn't been one hundred percent in some of these situations, 314 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: and that in these gotta habit situations on third down 315 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: or in obvious passing situations, the protection has cratered. They 316 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: were so ready for this one that you know, yes, 317 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: they a lot of screens, a lot of dumb buffs, 318 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: lot of check down, a lot of very quick things, 319 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: but it was intentional and it worked, and there were 320 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: guys that opened. Herbert knew where to go every single time. 321 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: And he's the first player I believe to throw for 322 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: over three hundred yards versus the blitz, three hundred and 323 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: seven yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions versus the blitz, which 324 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: is wild. I mean, they blitzed him forty one times, 325 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: and we saw it. We talked about it on our 326 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: show after the game, like, yeah, they blitzed him on 327 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: almost every play. 328 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: They literally almost did. 329 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: I didn't really think they really did that almost every play, 330 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: but they did eighty two percent of the time. 331 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: Herbert was dialed in. 332 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: And what makes the performance so great is that, well, 333 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: one that the numbers right, four hundred something yards, three touchdowns, 334 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: perfect game, basically a perfect game set all kinds of records, 335 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: completions and this many starts and this against the Blitz 336 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: or whatever. What was really impressive too, is that there 337 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: was no run game going for him. There was nothing 338 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: that he really could have leaned on because the Vikings 339 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: were playing great against the run. The run game wasn't going, 340 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: so he had to be perfect. And the Vikings, knowing 341 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: who they were, and justin Jefferson, the fact that they 342 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: could score, they were putting pressure on him to continually 343 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: have to be good and have to be perfect. And 344 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: again the stat line forty for forty seven, four hundred 345 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 2: five yards, three touchdowns over three hundred yards versus the Blitz. 346 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: He just had to be perfect from the start of 347 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: the game till the very end of the game, and 348 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: he basically was like, there's nothing more you could have 349 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: asked from him, and the one mistake he made was 350 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: a touchdown. I mean, he was just awesome. It was 351 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: an awesome game. There are many great Herbert games, but 352 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: I don't recall from the start of the game to 353 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: the very end of the game a better performance. 354 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: He was amazing. 355 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were several times watching that tape I like 356 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: audibly laughed out loud, like literally like a cackle that 357 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: what he was doing. There was a play too where 358 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: he rolled out to the left and he kind of 359 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: jumped to his left and then side armed it to 360 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly. It was only like a it was only 361 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: like a five yard game, but it was like one 362 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: of the craziest players I've ever seen. His touch down 363 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: to Donald Parham. The Chargers had that the one side, 364 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: the one side angle the first Touchdn, I should say, 365 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: and he catches the pass or he catches the snap, 366 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: doesn't move his feet at all and just side arm 367 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: slings it to Donald Parham like that. It was crazy 368 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: watching the tape and just how many throws, how many 369 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: tight windows, how much anticipation he had to had to 370 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: throw with. He was so dialed in, and it was 371 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: so much fun to watch. It was one of the 372 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: most fun experience of watching tape that I've had in 373 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: my life, just seeing how dialed in he was. There 374 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: were a few times too, where like the Vikings defensive 375 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: backs stood up and were like audibly, like what the like, 376 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: what the heck you want me to do with this 377 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: kind of instance, like his his pass to Josh Palmer 378 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: for forty yards of Caleb Evan stood up and was like, 379 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm supposed to do, Like what 380 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: do you want me to do? In this instance? It 381 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: was it was great, man. The ball placement was so good, 382 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: handling pressure was so good that that was that's gonna 383 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: be a tough performance for Justin Hibbert to beat. Then again, 384 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: I've said that a few times about his career already, 385 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: but just the circumstances, the blitz is everything that was 386 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: going on. He lose Mike Williams in this game, and 387 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: Herbert just responded he had an answer for everything the 388 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: Vikings were throwing at him, and they were throwing the 389 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: kitchen sink at him, dude, Like there was one miss 390 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: that resulted in the Daniel Hunter strip sack, but other 391 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: than that, it felt like Justin had an answer every time, 392 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: whether it was pocket management, whether it was a quick throw, 393 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: whether it was like the right read, whether it was 394 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: the right protection audible, it just felt like he had 395 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: an answer for everything the Vikings were doing for him, 396 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: and it was such a treat to watch on tape. 397 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. 398 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 2: We both thought that the offense and the passing game 399 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: would be better. This game naturally would have had to 400 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: be a bit better. This game it was a whole 401 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: heck of a lot better. And everything that Herbert did again, 402 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: it was just so impressive. I'm impressed beyond belief that 403 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 2: and really looking at the three games they've had now, 404 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: they've kind of had a bit of everything. The first 405 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 2: game was very much so here, let's set a record 406 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: in rushing and be one of the most efficient rushing 407 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 2: attack of the last twenty years or whatever it was. 408 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: And then in this game, let's just break records passing 409 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: the football too. Like the fact that I know that 410 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: you can't really usually have those two things in the 411 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: exact same game unless you're the Dolphins playing the Broncos, 412 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: but that rarely occurs. It's cool if the Chargers have 413 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 2: that run game somewhere with Austin Eckler as well in 414 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 2: their back pocket. But at the same time, and this 415 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 2: is why you paid the guy. You can just lean 416 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 2: into the Yeah, he's got it. This guy who got 417 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: a four point zero studying science, which is difficult. 418 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he can read a couple of blitzes. 419 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: Now. The fact that we're seeing this in week three 420 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 2: is awesome. And any of the mistakes that he made 421 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: the first couple of weeks or in practice or whatever 422 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: where oops I didn't quite identify that correctly, made that 423 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: wrong call at the line, made that wrong check of 424 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: the line, whatever, This is the payoff of those mistakes 425 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: because he learned from them clearly looked awesome, So good luck. 426 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what the game plan is to stop 427 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: him unless you just have you know, eleven players that 428 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: are phenomen ale on defense, and even then, man like 429 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: this guy just battles. He's smart. Amazing quarterback performance from 430 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert. 431 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was an incredible film watching experience. I 432 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: would acourage anybody who has the time to go on 433 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: NFL plaus and watch that all twenty two tape. All right, Tyler, 434 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: what is your first truth of the day? 435 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: My truth? And look, I've given the unit quite a 436 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: bit of grief over the last couple of weeks, and 437 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: kind of understandably so, given the stats and the performances 438 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: and the losses, and maybe throughout the entire game. I'm 439 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: not saying this was an elite eighty five Bears defensive performance. 440 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: They didn't hold into zero, right, but the defense finished 441 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: the game, and that is the truth. The defense finished 442 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: this game for the Chargers to the point where the 443 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: last two drives the Vikings got to the one yard line. 444 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: And it required several different players, and some players that 445 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: are a bit you know, unexpected or weren't supposed to 446 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 2: be in the roles that they are in currently. I mean, 447 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: Kenneth Murray had a tackle for loss. He's filling in 448 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 2: for Eric kendricks Like Kenneth Murray at this point this 449 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 2: season doesn't have to usually be the linebacker one that 450 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 2: was supposed to be Eric Kendricks, Well's Kenneth Murray. And 451 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: that play, it's in a game where the Charges offense 452 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: set records. That tackle for loss that moved the Vikings 453 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: back just a bit was one of the plays of 454 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 2: the game. And he read that beautifully. The line played phenomenal. 455 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 2: Morgan Fox and Austin Johnson opened that up for him 456 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: and he read it perfectly. And if you don't get that, 457 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: the Vikings probably score. ALOHI Gilman run stop same drive. 458 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: If he doesn't do that and knock I think was 459 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 2: Madison down again. The Vikings score, this game might be 460 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 2: over the second drive, the final drive, the one they 461 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 2: started the twenty four. Like, the offense turns it over 462 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: and the defense has to stop them from the twenty four. 463 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 2: And they really haven't had quite that success throughout the 464 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: entire games. They have to do it again, stop the 465 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: offense again with Jefferson, with Hawkinson, and they did. And 466 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: one of my favorite things was going back and watching 467 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: the communication right before that final play. Nick Neeman said 468 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: that he saw on film that the Vikings would run 469 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 2: this with Howkinson, and you see turn on the All 470 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: twenty two. 471 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 3: He looks at J. T. 472 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: Woods and points at Hockinson. He points out and probably 473 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: says exactly what's about to happen to J. T. Woods, 474 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 2: turns around, covers Hawkinson, knocks the ball up. 475 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 3: Of course J T. Woods, who he just told what 476 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 3: was going to happen. 477 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: J T. Woods is right there, sets the ball up. 478 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 3: Kenneth Murray interception. Game over. 479 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: You know, whatever you want to say about the defense 480 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: of the last couple of weeks or even throughout that game. 481 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 2: They finished the game. The Chargers do not win. They 482 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 2: are zero to three without guys like spashing Joseph Day 483 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: at the end of the game, although he Gilman, Kenneth Murray, 484 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: Nick Neeman, all these guys stepping up for their little 485 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: individual plays that added up to two stops and two 486 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: forced turnovers, went on downs and one of the interception 487 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: that won the game for the Chargers. 488 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 3: Don't know that. 489 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: They the offense won the game overall, but this defense 490 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: finished it. They closed things out. And the NFL is 491 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: all about momentum, and you can carry this into the 492 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: game against the Raiders and into the bye week, and 493 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: hopefully this is a sign of you can point to 494 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: this right in film study this week. It's not another 495 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: defeating We gave it up at the end. We couldn't 496 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: get it done. 497 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: We allowed to score. Now you stop them. 498 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: So can we build on this and keep the momentum 499 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 2: going forward. So kudos to them, Kudos to them for 500 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: stepping up and finishing, which is what this team has 501 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: been preaching all season long. 502 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like there was the yardage and the points. 503 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: Like It's like you said, it wasn't an elite performance 504 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: by any means, But what I enjoyed was that it 505 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: felt different. It felt like they were more physical, It 506 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: felt like they were more aggressive. It felt like they 507 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: were more intentional in making these plays. It felt like 508 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: they were more opportunistic. And you know, some of that 509 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: is just playing with confidence, some of that is feeling 510 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: comfortable with your game plan. It felt like the first 511 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: couple of weeks that they were just kind of waiting 512 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: for stuff to happen in front of them and hoping 513 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: that you can make a play. Whereas this game, it 514 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: really felt like they were playing free. You know, I 515 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: think Alohi Gumman is the biggest example of that. Like 516 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: there were times where he just completely drove on the 517 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: football made a play. You know, obviously the force fumble 518 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: against TJ. Howkinson will get some of the headlines, but 519 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: there were a couple of pass breakups too from Alohi, 520 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: or just really tough physical tackles over the middle by 521 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: a Loohi where just he was free, like he was 522 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: he saw what he saw, he read it, he trusted it, 523 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: and he went And that's what we all loved about 524 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: Alohi's performances at the end of last season. You know, J. T. 525 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: Woods had some moments in a similar fashion just here. 526 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: Taylor had a couple of big hits too, so it 527 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: just felt like they were more aggressive. It felt like 528 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: they trusted themselves more often, and that's what you need. 529 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: You know, there were still some justin Jefferson moments, right, 530 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: there were still some Kirk Cousin moments like that's going 531 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: to happen, you know, the third down penalties you definitely 532 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: have to clean up. But if this is the defense 533 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: going forward, I think the Chargers can, like you said, 534 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: build on this and win with this unit. It's not 535 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: going to be an elite unit by any means, but 536 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: it's going to be a unit that they can trust 537 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: to perform in some key moments. So it's just all 538 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: about the way that they played, the attitude that they 539 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: played with. And it starts with guys like Kenneth Murray. 540 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: It starts like guys with the Loohi Gillman who really 541 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: arose to this challenge. And you know, we'll talk about 542 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: some of them sure later, But Kenneth Murray, like I think, 543 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: is the embodiment of that. Like he has taken the 544 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: Green Dot challenge full on, and he has been able 545 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: to trust his instincts and go fly around. He and 546 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: Madison a couple of times where like you just felt 547 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: that presence of his and then you know, obviously coming 548 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: down with the interception. So that's what I enjoyed. I 549 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: just would like to see them play more free, be 550 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: more aggressive, and they did that on Sunday against the Vikings. 551 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: That's the perfect way to put it in Alohi Gilman 552 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 2: and Kenneth Murray in particular. 553 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 3: You saw some John Taylor as. 554 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: Well, but Gilman and Murray, I don't want to say 555 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: like enforcers by any means, but it just he just 556 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: felt different, Like you said it perfectly, It felt like 557 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: before maybe. 558 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: The defense was just waiting for things to happen time. 559 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 2: You know, Kenneth Murray, there's a dump off in the flat, 560 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 2: knocking that dude over again, tackle for loss. Alohi, Gilman, 561 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: what an enforcer. I could spend the next forty five 562 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: minutes talking about how he should have another forced fumble. 563 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: But that's a whole different thing in episode. Yeah, no kidding, 564 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: that's a whole different thing. And I'm glad that the 565 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: Chargers won, so we're not talking about that today. 566 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: But those two in particular. 567 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: Again, throughout the game and at the end there, it 568 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: was so key for them to be on and they 569 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: were that's awesome. Again, these guys stepping up the roles 570 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: that maybe they weren't considered or they had to be 571 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: to start the season. Dermen James was out and Gilman 572 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 2: what did he do the last two drives? 573 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: Play excellent. 574 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: They don't win that game if Gilman as the safety 575 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: one isn't out there performing really really well. Kenneth Murray 576 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: as a linebacker one, Nick Neeman as the second linebacker, like, 577 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 2: they don't win the game if those guys don't step up. 578 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: And I know that Gilman and Murray are technically co 579 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: starters in this defense. But one of the things that 580 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: you and I love from the preseason is that the 581 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 2: death guys fought hard. Like even against the forty nine 582 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 2: ers where they got punched in their mouth pretty early on, 583 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: those guys stepped up and they kept fighting, and you 584 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: were just so encouraged by the fight and resilience of 585 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: those depth guys because they're going to have to play, 586 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: They will have to play at some point. They've already 587 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: reached some of those guys at this point, and for 588 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 2: them to step up and play as well as they 589 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: have is awesome and again testament to the fight that 590 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: those depth guys bring and fantastic jobs. So they close 591 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 2: it out and that was huge. The team really needed that. 592 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an encouraging step forward for the defense. 593 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: Hopefully this week against the Raiders we see another positive step. 594 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo's status is in question. If he plays, we 595 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: know that he's going to give them some opportunities to 596 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: make some turnovers, so we'll see what happens there. But 597 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that this unit can take another positive step 598 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: against the Raiders, get into the bye week, and really 599 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: kind of hone in on some things and figure it 600 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: out for the rest of the season. My next truth here, 601 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: Brandon Staily made the correct decision to go for it 602 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 1: on fourth down. I spent most of my morning tweeting 603 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: about like analytical models and probability models and percentage numbers, 604 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: and people were saying that, you know, according to Ben 605 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: Baldwin that the eight point or excuse me, nine point 606 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: five percent win probability increase wasn't really that big, or 607 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: the six point eight win win percentage increased from south 608 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: Walder that he tweeted out, that's not that much of 609 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: a difference. They should have still punted when it comes 610 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: to win probability models the potential to increase your chances 611 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: of winning on one play by ten percent. That's a 612 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: huge number for win probability models. That's a massive number. 613 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: So I understand that there's going to be some roughly know, 614 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 1: the fetters feathers when it comes to trusting analytics and 615 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: trusting the aggressive nature that we've seen from Bandon Staly. 616 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: But this instance was the right decision. He mentioned this 617 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: several times over the press conferences yesterday and that if 618 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: they were only protecting a lead of three, that probably 619 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: is a very different decision. But they were protecting the 620 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: leader of four. The Vikings had to score a touchdown 621 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: if they were going to come up short. So the 622 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: math was a very strong indication for him to go 623 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: for it. And I think that this is again similar 624 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: to the defense. I think this is a trend that 625 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: should be encouraging because if Brandon Staty can continue to 626 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: make these kind of decisions, eventually they're going to have 627 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: a winning edge when it comes to these kind of 628 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: decisions and if they convert that play. I don't think 629 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: anybody's really talking about it. I think everybody's praising Brandon Staley. 630 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: I think everybody's talking about like, oh my gosh, like 631 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: he had the gall to go for that moment. They converted, 632 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: they won the game, they sealed the win, and we're 633 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: having a completely different kind of conversation. You know, people 634 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: kind of tend to forget the successful moments that Donald 635 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: the second Donald Parham touchdown. That was a fourth down 636 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: decision that Brandon Staley went for and if they missed that, 637 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: it's a different conversation. But they made it, so everybody's 638 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: super excited. It was a great throw by Justin Herbert 639 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: and on we go. So I think that this decision 640 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: from Brandon Staley is a sign of things to come, 641 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: and it's a positive sign of things to come because 642 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: we have been waiting for him to get back to 643 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: that twenty twenty one mode where he was so aggressive 644 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: and provided the Charges with a consistent winning edge because 645 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: he trusted the math, because he trusted his gut, and 646 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: he trusts the offense first and foremost to close out teams, 647 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: which is mentality that I think was severely lacking from 648 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: last season. 649 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the discourse run this for me mostly 650 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,959 Speaker 2: is the play call, not the decision to go for it. 651 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: I could have gone either way. I get why he did, 652 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: and I get why he wouldn't have if he didn't 653 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: the decision to go for it, though I do understand, 654 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: do I win one hundred percent agree or what have 655 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: one hundred percent disagreed if he didn't go for it? No, 656 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: there's no just extreme here. There's a lot of gray 657 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: area there, which nuances sometimes lost on social media and 658 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 2: in sports discourse. I get it, And look, do I 659 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: want them to normalize going for it from their twenty four? No? 660 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: I don't want that to be the norm, right, but 661 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: this is a team that I mean one, they were 662 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: staring down oh to three, so they needed to get 663 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: something done, and so I get it giving it to Herbert, 664 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: who again set records for all sorts of things. And 665 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: again that comes down to the play call. Why wasn't 666 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: it a throw by Herbert or something in Herbert's hands. 667 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: They also have a couple of teams after the bye, 668 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys and the Kansas City Chiefs, who now, 669 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: I know the Cowboys lost of the Cardinals, but that 670 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: team is missing three of their offensive linemen. And you know, 671 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: sure any given Sunday those two teams are freight trains. 672 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: Do you think that Brandon Staley's not going to be 673 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: going for it against the Chiefs in Arrowhead. He's going 674 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: for it like this team is going for it. 675 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: He's gonna go The last time. 676 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: They beat the Chiefs Narrowhead, it's because they went for it. 677 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 2: And you could even argue last year in Arrowhead them 678 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 2: not going for it after Herbert lost a yard on 679 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 2: a boot on like third and one, them not going 680 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 2: for it on fourth down potentially led to them not 681 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: getting enough points and losing that game. 682 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: Again. I'm not saying. 683 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: Normalize going for it from the twenty four, but I 684 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: hope that this is the start of them re establishing 685 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: themselves as this team that will go for it and 686 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: be aggressive, because they're going to have to be aggressive, 687 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 2: especially down now. Mike Mike Williams, like, you're going to 688 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: have to be going for it a couple of times, Cowboys. 689 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 2: I listen, good luck that Cowboys defense is really good, 690 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: but you're gonna have to go for it a few times. 691 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to go forward against the Chiefs. The 692 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: Lions are going to go for it, and you're going 693 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: to have to go for it too. Like I am 694 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: okay with them if this is a sign of things 695 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: to come. 696 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 3: Hopefully it's not a one off. 697 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: Hopefully they continue to you know, build from this and 698 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 2: get better from there and be more successful on fourth 699 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: down because they have it in them. And look, this 700 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: could be the thing that's worked on during the bye. 701 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 2: You know, we've got some plays that work. Hey, we've 702 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: got a two pointer to Trey Pipkins. We've got a 703 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: top play to Darius Davis. You know, we've got a 704 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 2: throw to Donald Parham plenty. We can do runs. Okay, 705 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: maybe that didn't work. Let's workshop this again. I get 706 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: it that Workshopping your fourth down plays when you're looking 707 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 2: down oh to three at your twenty four is a 708 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 2: bit testy and a bit you know, something a bit 709 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 2: worrisome sometimes, but. 710 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 3: Go for it. 711 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 2: I think this team needs to go for it and 712 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 2: reestablished when they made them so successful last year or 713 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. 714 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's the play call. 715 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: You know, you watch that tape back, and it's unfortunate 716 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: because we kind of focus in on the guy who 717 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: makes the play right, but the whole offensive line that 718 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 1: was like the one play where everybody kind of didn't 719 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: do their job properly. I think the offensive line would 720 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: tell you that they would want that play back and 721 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 1: maybe they convert that play in the future. The one 722 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: thing I will say is that that's a play that 723 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: bring that Kellen mor exces me has kind of workshopped right. 724 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 1: He's He's thrown some different looks out there. They did 725 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: this the same play in week one and Joshua Kelly 726 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: popped off a twelve yard run. They did a variation 727 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: of this play and they pitched it to Darius Davis 728 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: and he popped off an eight yard run. So they 729 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: they trust this formation, they trust this look, and I 730 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: think if you execute it properly, you can be an 731 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: effective play. I just would have I would have liked 732 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: to see it again. I would have liked to see 733 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert be the one with the ball in his 734 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: hands in that moment. But overall, I think sound decision 735 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: making my brand and Staley, as he mentioned, convincing math 736 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: on their end nine point five percent on Ben Baldwin's end, 737 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: and you had six point eight percent on ESPN's analytical end, 738 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: So it was convincing math. That's a huge number if 739 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: you were able to convert that situation, and they could 740 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: have converted knelt down a couple times and the game 741 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: was over. So sound decision making process, and I think 742 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: we have to highlight that the process was a sound 743 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: just got to work on the play call going forward. 744 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 2: Alrighty, I'll get to my next truth. And I thought 745 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: you were going to take this one, So I'm glad 746 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 2: I get to say it to Welcome to defense. Rookie 747 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 2: of the Year front runner standings. Now how long will 748 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 2: that last for? I don't know because what is the 749 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 2: snap count? What is the distribution of those snaps moving forward? 750 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 2: But uh, you probably want to play this guy a 751 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 2: bit because he's pretty good. Tooley has the most pressures 752 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: by a rookie edge rusher through three games since Nick 753 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: Bosa and Josh Allen had seventeen and fifteen in twenty nineteen. 754 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 2: And if he didn't know, those players were taken second 755 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 2: and seventh overall, so yeah, Tooley. 756 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 3: Second round pick. 757 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 2: Tooley has been credited with nine pressures three sacks. I 758 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 2: saw that there was some back and forth on whether 759 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: he should have getting credit for sacks or not, but 760 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 2: nine pressures, three sacks, three run stops against the Vikings, 761 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 2: and he currently leads all edge rushers rookie edge rushers 762 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 2: in pressure, sacks and run stops through three weeks, and 763 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 2: he's third in pass rush productivity among NFL starters. And 764 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 2: you flip on the film and you wonder, okay, like, 765 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 2: is it clean up? Is it as good as I recall? 766 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 2: Is it as good as the number suggests? 767 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 768 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it pretty much is. And look, I do think 769 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 2: that Joey Bosa is still the better edge rusher. He 770 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: is the pure pass rusher on the edge. That is 771 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: Joey for sure. But Tuley is getting these wins against 772 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 2: tight ends, against guards, against Brian O'Neil, and he's just 773 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 2: been so disruptive what he's able to do through two 774 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 2: and a half starts, two and a half games. Really 775 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 2: for him again, we have I feel like, for two 776 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 2: months now, every single time you and I jump on 777 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: and have an episode for this channel, we're saying, oh, 778 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 2: Tuley did something really great. Let's continue to bump up 779 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: the expectations for him. What were our stat projections for 780 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 2: Tuley heading into this season? Hopefully he gets fifteen pressures, 781 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 2: four or five sacks, maybe ten run stops. 782 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 3: I didn't think. 783 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 2: I don't think either of us meant by week three 784 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 2: I think most of us thought it by like week seventeen. 785 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 2: You know, for him to have the stats that he 786 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 2: has and the win rates that he has and the 787 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 2: productivity that he's had on a per play basis and 788 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 2: in the whole stats raw stats basis phenomenal steal of 789 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 2: the draft at this point. Anytime you can get a 790 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 2: defensive running Rookie of the Year front runner on Day 791 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 2: two in the second round, that's a steal. He's just 792 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 2: been phenomenal and continues to reset expectations for. 793 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 3: What we have. 794 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 2: Again, I don't recall ever watching him once ze him 795 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 2: have a bad day. He continues to just do more 796 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 2: with more, to the point where I really truly do 797 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 2: feel that he should be out there as a co starter. 798 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 2: You know, I know you can't just have three edge 799 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 2: rushers all the time, but at the same time, why not, 800 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 2: Because it's working and the combination of Tully to up 801 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,919 Speaker 2: below to next to Joey Bosa continues to be unstoppable. 802 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 3: If that's all you do. 803 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: If if that's all Brandon Staley decided to do for 804 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: the next fourteen games is have them lined up next 805 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 2: to each other and just rush over and over again, 806 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: I'd get it. It's unstoppable. No one's stopping that. It's 807 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 2: it's been incredible. And what I love is the passion 808 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 2: that Joey Bosa has playing alongside two to up below too. 809 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 3: It's so obvious after the plays. 810 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 2: I mean, there was that one. I think Joey ended 811 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 2: up getting the sack or if they split the sac 812 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 2: or whatever, but they're both on the same side, and 813 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 2: Joey just like looks at him with this like this 814 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 2: like like not aggression, but like love and like passion 815 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 2: and like happiness and like anger and everything just fired up. Happy, yeah, 816 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 2: happy anger whatever that is, Like it just they just 817 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 2: feed off of each other and both of them working 818 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 2: together is again, it's been truly special. Defensive Rookie of 819 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 2: the Year front runner for me with maybe a couple 820 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: other players, but at this point, the number suggests that 821 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 2: he's he's been as good as any defensive rookie this 822 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 2: year and he's the only one in the conversation. 823 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 3: Is the second round pick. 824 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, Historically speaking, that award usually goes to the pass 825 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: rusher drafted in the top five. Like that's where that's 826 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: where that money is spent. You know, whether that's Joey 827 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: whether that's Nick, whether that's you know, TJ. Watt, whoever 828 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: the case may be. I want to reiterate this because, 829 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: like you said, the statistic right, but like when you 830 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 1: put the names around the statistic, it sounds a little 831 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: bit different. So PFF has this metric called pass rush 832 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: productivity metric. It basically takes a new account how many 833 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: pressures and sacks and hits are you really getting on 834 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: a per play basis. Morgan fox Is ranks very very 835 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 1: well in it. For example, if you sort it to 836 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: edge rusher, you sort it to fifty percent of their 837 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: respective team snaps. It's a lot of d rushers that 838 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: you expect. It's Nick Bosa, it's Micah Parsons, it's Miles Garrett, 839 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: it's TJ. 840 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 3: Watt. 841 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: Two Ley two below to his third on that list, 842 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: he only trails Micah Parsons and Miles Garrett, and people 843 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,720 Speaker 1: are talking about those two as like the best players 844 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: in the league, like period. So the context of that 845 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: statistic is pretty crazy. And the way that Tooley is 846 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: winning in a variety of ways, he just has such 847 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: a high floor and it's been a true pleasure to watch. 848 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: We talk about him on every show. I feel like 849 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: because everything that every week we see something that we 850 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: really love from Tully, but the number is the film. 851 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,760 Speaker 1: It all points towards Tuley having such an impactful season 852 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 1: for the Chargers and you know, hopefully a very long 853 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: career of an impact. You mentioned the run stops too. 854 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: He's sixth among all edge rushers in run stop percentage, 855 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: only trailing Alex high Smith, Will Anderson, who's the rookie 856 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: drafted in the first round who probably was the favorite 857 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: for Defensive Rookie of the Year, Trayvon Walker former number 858 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: one overall pick, Kalais Campbell, who hilariously is being used 859 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: as an edge rusher this year, and then Carl Granerson. 860 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: So that's great company on both sides, you know, for 861 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: him as a pass rusher and as a run defender. 862 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't see how you keep this guy off the 863 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,320 Speaker 1: field because when he's on the field, he is producing 864 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,959 Speaker 1: at a truly, truly special level, and we haven't really 865 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 1: seen anybody like him in the Chargers uniform since Joey's 866 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: rookie season when he when def Rookie of the Year. 867 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 2: It's the thing about it, too, is that it's not 868 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 2: just we're leaning on one player like, how many players, 869 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 2: even in the first round when they're drafted, have both 870 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 2: the pass rush and the run defense down Not a 871 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:15,919 Speaker 2: lot it. 872 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: Really, it's usually one or the other. 873 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's usually one of the other. 874 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,240 Speaker 2: And if they have both, again, they're taken first, second, 875 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 2: or third overall, whatever quarterback is taken and then it's them. 876 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that Tulle like had that in college. 877 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 2: It's not like I thought he had the same film 878 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 2: as Will Anderson, for example, but the fact that he's 879 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 2: able to win with I mean, do you want Do 880 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 2: you want motor? I got that. You want power, I've 881 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 2: got that. You want a spin move, I've got that. 882 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 2: You want a bull rush, I've got that. I'm going 883 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 2: to split a double team. I can do that. Oh 884 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 2: and by the way, let's play the run stack and 885 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,959 Speaker 2: shed your tight end. I'll push your your tackle back. 886 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the strength that he plays with run, pass, 887 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 2: you name it. 888 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 3: Such a balanced player. 889 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: You don't get that. 890 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 3: You don't get that. 891 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,359 Speaker 2: It's I'm not saying it's the same thing, but I mean, 892 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 2: can we have this conversation kind of the same way 893 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 2: that Rashaun Slater walked into the league and it's like, yep, 894 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 2: I can pass, protect, I can run, block, I can 895 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 2: do both those things and I'm really freaking good at it. 896 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 3: Now. 897 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 2: Rashawn Slater became second team All Pro. I don't think 898 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 2: that's where Tuley's headed. But at the same time, again, 899 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 2: every time we jump onto the show, we talk about him, 900 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 2: the expectations that he's resetting. At this point, I'm just 901 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 2: I'm looking for twenty pressures eighty five sacks next week 902 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 2: against the Raiders and watch him prove me wrong and 903 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 2: do more than that. He's just it's a pleasure to 904 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 2: watch him work seriously and in a pleasant. 905 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 3: Surprise for this draft class. 906 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, we on our channel did our stat predictions for 907 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: every rookie. We did it in for you know, every 908 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,800 Speaker 1: player on the team, and I think my official the 909 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 1: numbers that I ended up for Tuley was like thirty 910 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: total pressures and five sacks. He's already exceeded that. He's 911 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: already got eighteen pressures in six SAT Like, oh man, 912 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,720 Speaker 1: it's it's crazy to watch. To clarify something, Pro Football 913 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: Focus does not split sacks, because why should you If 914 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: you and your teammate get there at the same time, 915 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 1: you each should get a shot. You each should get 916 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: a sack in my opinion, So that's where that's coming from. 917 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: Officially on like Profoball reference, he doesn't have three sacks 918 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: on Sunday, but pff IS is better at that, I 919 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: think in my opinion. 920 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 3: Sure, shout out Argent. I guess. 921 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: All right, Tyler, you had the fourth one. Do you 922 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,399 Speaker 1: have another one that you want to talk about? Because 923 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 1: I have one, but I don't wanna. I don't wanna 924 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: steal anything. If you have one left, no. 925 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 2: Go for it or whatever you got, let's hear it. 926 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: Okay. My last truth here is that Zion's Zion Johnson 927 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: and Jamari Solier played an incredible game against the Vikings, 928 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: and I thought that, you know, the team didn't run 929 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: the ball super well. I think they did leave some 930 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: meat on the bone from a running back perspective and 931 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: a tight end perspective. And Zion and Jamori work like 932 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: you want to talk about justin hrberb Bean dialed in. 933 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,839 Speaker 1: Those two were dialed in. And you know one thing 934 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 1: that I talked about after the Titans game was that 935 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,399 Speaker 1: there were just some moments where, you know, from a 936 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: stunt perspective from a game perspective, the team was not 937 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 1: super like, you know, cohesive. There were just some you know, 938 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,719 Speaker 1: flustering moments where they didn't pass off stunts at a 939 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: high level. That was the opposite this week against the 940 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. And you don't have that kind of passing 941 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: performance without an offensive line that can handle these kind 942 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: of moments. And I thought Zion and Jamari in particular 943 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: were communicating a really high level. I thought they performed 944 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: at a really high level. Watching watching non Jeffrey Simmons 945 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: defensive players trying bowl rushed, Jamari is hilarious. He just 946 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,279 Speaker 1: has the strongest hands and anchor that it just is 947 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: like futile, like you do not have a chance bowl 948 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: rushing against Jamari. And then Zion, he just is so explosive. 949 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: He has such quick hands. He's able to win in 950 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: a variety of ways. I loved watching these two play, 951 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: watching them pass protect this week. I thought that they 952 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 1: handled everything into the Vikings through at them, and they 953 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: threw again a lot at the interior of the charged 954 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: offensive line, and I thought that those two handled everything. 955 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 2: Very very well. 956 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: So I wanted to shout those two out because I 957 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,720 Speaker 1: just was so impressed with the way that they bounced 958 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: back after last week, which was a tough spot. Again, 959 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: the Titans have argued the best defensive line in the league, 960 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: but these are the kind of things that we expect 961 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: from these two from the offensive line that should finish 962 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: in the top five in my opinion, and these two 963 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,400 Speaker 1: took a very positive step back in kind of progressing 964 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 1: towards their potential this week. 965 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 2: That's wonderful to hear, and you could feel it during 966 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,840 Speaker 2: the game and even see it with Justin Herbert and 967 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 2: some of the comfort that he had in delivering. Granted 968 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 2: they were still free rushers, some of the running backs 969 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 2: or tight ends wouldn't maybe block their guy, but his 970 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 2: comfort level was reflective. I think of their performance, and honestly, 971 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,879 Speaker 2: if you told me that the Vikings blitzed forty one 972 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 2: times against this offense on the line and the blocking 973 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 2: protection that we have seen of the last couple of weeks, 974 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 2: I might have guessed that they lost. 975 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 3: You know, I picked them to win, but. 976 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 2: I might have guess that they had lost because you 977 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 2: put pressure literally on the Charges when they've kind of 978 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 2: been at their worst over the last couple of weeks, 979 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 2: and that has started with someone like Zion Johnson or 980 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,800 Speaker 2: with Jamori Solid where it just hasn't worked out in 981 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 2: those situations. So to see in this game them play 982 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 2: as well as they did, and to hear you say 983 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,760 Speaker 2: that they played as well as they did, Yeah, Jamari Zion. 984 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 2: Two great guys, two great interviews, two great players, and 985 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 2: the fact. 986 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 3: That they figured it out. 987 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,439 Speaker 2: You know, I don't expect to zero pressures every game 988 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 2: if you blitz them forty one times. Granted, I don't 989 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 2: know who else is going to blitz charges forty one 990 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 2: times at this point, but that is an encouraging performance 991 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 2: for sure. And so again from Kella Moore, the game plan, Herbert, 992 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 2: the protection, the interior. Like you talked about, these two 993 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 2: guys really really solid job understanding that this was probably 994 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 2: what was going to happen in this game, and they 995 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 2: took care of business. 996 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you mentioned, zero pressures combined between those two players. 997 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: So just performing at a really really high level. I 998 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: thought the offensive line as a whole played really really well. 999 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: When you're blitzed eighty one percent of the time, it's 1000 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,359 Speaker 1: so much mental stress on you as a quarterback. As 1001 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: an offensive line, it's like, you know what the Chargers 1002 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: did on from a rushing perspective on offense like that 1003 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: ability to just wear down a defense. That's what blitzing 1004 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: can do, can do to you so frequently because you 1005 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: just get so overwhelmed by everything that they're throwing at you. 1006 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,800 Speaker 1: And I thought that they handled things very well. The 1007 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: Vikings at certain moments were putting Daniel Hunter, trying to 1008 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,719 Speaker 1: isolate him like the Chargers do with Tuley, which again 1009 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: makes sense because that's how you want to try and 1010 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: create some mismatches. Take your best pass rusher, stand them up, 1011 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: move them around. And they handle that very well, outside 1012 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,279 Speaker 1: of the one stripsack, which was an impossible ask where 1013 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: the Joshua Kelly ended up having to go across the 1014 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: formation and block Daniel Hunter, which was, you know, an 1015 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: unfortunate moment, but that was at a situation where the 1016 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,839 Speaker 1: Vikings sent eight people had justin Herbert. So the two 1017 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: guards I thought have been very very good at certain moments. 1018 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,800 Speaker 1: I thought they put it really all together well against 1019 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,280 Speaker 1: the Vikings. 1020 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 2: On Sunday, I agree, all. 1021 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: Right, well, we'll have our full preview for the Raiders 1022 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: games over on our channel. We're running a bit past 1023 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: time today. We're trying to keep these around forty five 1024 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,279 Speaker 1: to fifty minutes for you guys. So, Tyler, who is 1025 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 1: your game Ball of the week. 1026 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can pick from team one of two guys. 1027 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 2: I think I'll go with Keenan Allen, a player who, 1028 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 2: again I know he've set his own personal records. I 1029 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,240 Speaker 2: know he made some Chargers records against the Vikings on Sunday. 1030 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,759 Speaker 2: I think that given the trajectory of where he's been 1031 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 2: the last twelve games post injury, which I think is 1032 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 2: a more fair sample slized than just the last three games, 1033 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 2: including a two hundred and fifteen yarder, I mean you're 1034 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 2: at a point where he is going to pass and 1035 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 2: is projected to pass Antonio Gates for receptions and yards 1036 00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,280 Speaker 2: next season. 1037 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,239 Speaker 3: By the middle of next season. 1038 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, given his current pace, Like, this is a player 1039 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,479 Speaker 2: and he's found the fountain of youth. This player, Keenan Allen, 1040 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,760 Speaker 2: has been phenomenal. And I think the way he's been playing, 1041 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 2: the numbers he's putting up, you tell me he's not 1042 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,800 Speaker 2: going to play for another three, four or five years. 1043 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,719 Speaker 2: His game is aged beautifully and he looks better than ever. 1044 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 2: He's about to have a career season at age thirty one. 1045 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 2: So he's my game ball guy officially with eighteen catches 1046 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 2: on twenty targets for two hundred and fifteen receiving yards 1047 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 2: and of course one pass for forty nine yards and 1048 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 2: a touchdown. I'm not going to donate two hundred and 1049 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,320 Speaker 2: sixty four dollars or whatever it is to Keenanan or 1050 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 2: any charity, but we do try to do some sort 1051 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 2: of donations related to these game balls, so I'll think 1052 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 2: of a number to use. But Keenan's my game ball guy. 1053 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,640 Speaker 2: He's just what a game, what a game for again, 1054 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 2: his place in charges history and his own personal records 1055 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 2: as well. 1056 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really hard not to choose Keenan and Justin 1057 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,920 Speaker 1: in this one because they were like the driving force 1058 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: of this. So I'll choose Justin as officially as my selection. 1059 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 1: But I do want to give a shout out to 1060 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: Keneth Murray again. I thought he played really, really well, 1061 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: that the tape shows a very decisive player who's physical 1062 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: trust is in Steakes, and again, hopefully this is the 1063 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: kign of things to come for him, you know, hopefully 1064 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,320 Speaker 1: when Eric Kendricks comes back, that that transition back to 1065 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: kind of linebacker two is pretty seamless for him so 1066 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and his best performance of his career gets 1067 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: the game ball. But do want to shout out Kenneth 1068 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,279 Speaker 1: Murray as well. 1069 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I could have easily gone a Lohi Gilman 1070 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,879 Speaker 2: with some of the plays that he made as well. 1071 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 2: So again sure great stuff. Hey a win man, whole team, 1072 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 2: whole team gets the game ball. Congratulations on a win. 1073 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, a hundred percent. It's way more fun to podcast 1074 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 1: about a win than it is a loss. And hopefully 1075 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,200 Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed that episode. So that's going to be 1076 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 1: for US today. Again. Sending very positive wishes towards Mike Williams. 1077 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,320 Speaker 1: Hope he is able to have a successful surgery, positive 1078 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,320 Speaker 1: recovery and wish him nothing but the best with that 1079 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,400 Speaker 1: whole journey coming back from the ACL injury. So appreciate 1080 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,759 Speaker 1: the Chargers for hosting US today as always, Appreciate Greg 1081 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,839 Speaker 1: Camp for producing, Appreciate Tyler for joining me. We'll see 1082 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: you guys next week as always. Both up