1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Oh, this week's classic episode. This is a great wood Man. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: This is a little bit of an historical moment for 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Far far before 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: our pal Jeremy Corbell began his own podcast, he reached 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: out to us. He did, and we met him for 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: the first time. We talked to him for the first time, 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: and we did a large amount of that on air 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: when we were talking about a video series he made. 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: I think it was a specific video that he had created, 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: a movie about implants like potentially extraterrestrial implants, pieces of 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: metal or materials left behind in people who've had abduction experiences. Yeah, 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: Patient seventeen and Jeremy's fantastic guy. We still chat with 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: each other. You can check out his newest project, Weaponized 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: with George Knapp. In the meantime, we hope you enjoy 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: this conversation we had within quite a few years ago 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: about alien abductions and implants, from UFOs to psychic powers 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: want you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show. 20 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is null. They call 21 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: me Ben, you are you? And that makes this stuff 22 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Today we are delving 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: into something that I am frankly surprised we have never 24 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: not once covered on this show. Is it because of 25 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: my crippling fear of surgery? You know that's a really 26 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: great point. Yeah, we're discussing alien abductions and possible implantation today, everybody, 27 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: and we're not doing it alone. As you know, friends 28 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: and neighbors in the audience, we are big fans of 29 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: pursuing primary sources and we want to hear from the 30 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: experts and maybe today we'll even learn whether or not 31 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: we have unknown implants. So today on the show, we 32 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: have a very special guest, an investigative filmmaker that we're 33 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: all huge fans of. Matt would you do the honors? Absolutely? 34 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: Dan the show, we have Jeremy Corbell. He's made several 35 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: films throughout his career. He is a martial artist and 36 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: was for a very long time, and there are some 37 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: fascinating things we're going to get into later about that 38 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: we're specifically talking about is his series of films called 39 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: Extraordinary Beliefs, where he doves into various aspects of the Unknown, 40 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: and today specifically, we're talking about one entry in that 41 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: series called Patient seventeen. Please welcome to the show, Jeremy Corbell. Hello, gentlemen, 42 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. Big fan of your show, 43 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: excited to be part of it. Well, thanks so much, 44 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on the show Patient seventeen, 45 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: which deals in an investigatory documentary and style with the 46 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: concept of highly advanced implants. This, for a lot of 47 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: people sounds like something they would They probably heard rumors about. 48 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: Maybe they've they've read some things, they might have seen 49 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: some clips online of someone who believes they found an implant, 50 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: or that they have witnessed an abduction even but Patient 51 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: seventeen dives into the human side of it, objectively examining 52 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: the facts and the claims in the narrative from these patients. 53 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit about what inspired 54 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: you to take the steps on this journey. Yeah. Absolutely. 55 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: I mean this is for me a very obscure topic. 56 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: Even looking into and investigating in the UFO field for 57 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: many years, I didn't want to touch this topic with 58 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: a ten foot pull. It was outside of the scope 59 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: of any part of my imagination. Let's back up, just 60 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: one moment, which is that my whole series is called 61 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: Extraordinary Beliefs, And in this work, what I try to 62 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: do is I seek out ordinary people, hopefully of high credibility, 63 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: with extraordinary beliefs. That's the basic idea of this series 64 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: that I'm creating and have been creating for a long time. 65 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: During that process, I was approached by a very famous 66 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: doctor in the field of ufology named doctor Roger Lear. 67 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: And he's been a man who had cut out sixteen 68 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: alleged alien implants. They alleged them to be nanotechnological devices 69 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: that help monitor the human race. I mean, this is 70 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: an extraordinary claim, and he's an ordinary He was an 71 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: ordinary guy. He just had a really interesting life. So 72 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: at first I said no, multiple times, and then you know, 73 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: he convinced me. He said, Jeremy, I've been going through 74 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: this for over two decades. There's something to it. And 75 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: so I said, Okay, I'm gonna film this. I'm gonna 76 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: film your seventeenth surgery, which sadly ended up being his 77 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: final and last surgery, as he had a heart attack 78 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: and died during the production. And he was a good 79 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: friend and so it was sad to see him go 80 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: but during that process I came at it. If you 81 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: watched the film with almost some real dry humor, some 82 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: skepticism in it, that was, you know, to me, it 83 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: was odd. This whole thing was like a circus. But 84 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: when I met Patient seventeen, that was the moment when 85 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: I realized I needed to do this story. Because Patient 86 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: seventeen is what you'd imagine to be an average person, 87 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: not the kind of person. He is above every height, 88 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: but he's otherwise, He's an average person. He's like a 89 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: giant's six foot nine. I call him my giant friend. 90 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: But we've become really good friends. And he really compelled 91 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: me to continue on this case and follow this as 92 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: far as I can, and that's what you see in 93 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: the film Patient seventeen. Can you talk a little bit 94 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: about how patient seventeen came to know about doctor Lear 95 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: and maybe even a step back before you talk about that, 96 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: how he came to be aware that there was something 97 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: in his body that was alien, for lack of a 98 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: better term, something foreign like an object that was causing 99 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: him physical pain at a particular time in his life, 100 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: and than how he took that and you know, basically 101 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: sought out the services of this very specific type of surgeon. Yeah, 102 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: well that's really interesting. He didn't seek out the surgeon. 103 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: Patient seventeen had abductive experiences his whole life. This is 104 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: something that he kept private, even from family and friends. 105 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,119 Speaker 1: He said, it's a very difficult thing to talk about 106 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: because everybody thinks you're crazy, or if you're religious, they 107 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: think that you no longer believe in God if you 108 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: talk about aliens. So he really is a kind of quiet, 109 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, silent cowboy type. You know, he has a 110 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: sense of kind of inner reservation. He remains and was 111 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: at the very beginning of this filming and throughout the film, 112 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: he and I are the biggest skeptics of what we're witnessing, 113 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: even the patient himself. So he had abductive experiences, which 114 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: he can't deny. He is convinced those experiences are real. 115 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: But the object in his leg was causing him or 116 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: he was feeling pain in his leg and got some 117 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: X rays and CT scans and they found this foreign 118 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: body that was denser than bone and it was an alloy, 119 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: we later found out. But the issue was he didn't 120 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: equate the two at all, and then it was just 121 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: happenstance that he was doing some of his work over 122 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: at someone's house who knew about doctor Lear, and I 123 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: guess he saw some UFO posters or something on the 124 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: screen and told the guy the story and they connected 125 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: him with doctor Lear. So he didn't think that it 126 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: was connected to his abductive experiences, but there were times 127 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: in the operating room where his eyes became as big 128 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: as fly and saucers man because there were some strange 129 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: things afoot that day and since then, Wow, I just 130 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: want to ask you about the surgery itself. You show 131 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: an establishing shot in the documentary of a specific hospital 132 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: where I guess the surgery took place. When you're in 133 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: there with doctor Lear and patient seventeen and the other surgeon, 134 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: does it feel different, like a different operation than anything 135 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: you can imagine as being I guess whatever you could 136 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: call a normal procedure. Is it something like they're renting 137 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: space in the hospital or is it a place where 138 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: doctor Lear works? Can you just tell me a little 139 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: bit about that. Sure, it was actually quite casual. I 140 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: mean these days, surgeons oftentimes do rent out surgical facilities 141 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: in order to conduct their business, so it was in 142 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: a sense just private and casual. But the tide turned 143 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: when a bunch of you know, UFO crowds came into 144 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: the waiting room and we had journalists who were not 145 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: authorized to be there, you know, with cameras trying to 146 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: push in. It became a circus. And that's really what 147 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: emotionally bonded me with doctor Lear and with the patient. 148 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: Was kind of getting people out who weren't supposed to 149 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: be there, and I snuck Patient seventeen out the back door. 150 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: He and I kind of made a bee line out 151 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: the back door after the surgery because he does not 152 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: want attention. He does not want this to be associated, 153 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, with his everyday life. He just wants to 154 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: ride his motorbikes and have his normal life. So the 155 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: surgery itself was very casual. But some of the things 156 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: that occurred during the surgery and the emotions people went through, 157 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: such as patients seventeen, that's what was highly unusual. And 158 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: if you want, we can follow the format of what 159 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: you guys talk about, you know, here are the facts. 160 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: I can go through the facts and then I can 161 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: tell you where it gets crazy. Oh please do we'd 162 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: love to hear it. Okay, So the facts with this 163 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: very bizarre aspect of what I call the phenomenon. To 164 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: UFOs is part of what I call the phenomenon. It's 165 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: kind of a catch all term about the apparent display 166 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: that we have been experiencing since at least the beginning 167 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: of recorded human history. You know, lights in the sky, 168 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: these interactions with other non human intelligences. When you put 169 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: all of these together, that's what I call the phenomenon. 170 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: So here are the facts. You know, millions of people 171 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: claim not only alien extraterrestrial they believe interaction, but also abduction. 172 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: It's not something that is so far off the scope 173 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: that it doesn't reach a huge amount of the population 174 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: here on Earth. Something to note about that. Again, here 175 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: are the facts. John Mack, who is the former head 176 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: of psychiatry at Harvard University, openly talked about this, wrote 177 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: books about this. He was a great voice before he 178 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: died for the true look at this phenomena. He actually, 179 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: from a psychological standpoint, did thorough testing on all of 180 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: these abduction claims and found that this was not fictitious, 181 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: it was not a psychological disorder, and it was not 182 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: a fabrication in any way that these experiences were. Indeed, 183 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: how happening to the people claiming them. He even went 184 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: on Oprah Wintry one time and they talked about it 185 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: with one of these objects. So I started looking into that, 186 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, okay, well, brider minds than me took 187 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: it seriously. Let me at least give it a fair shake. 188 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: Another fact, you know, this film is about doctor Roger 189 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: Lear and the surgical removal and scientific analysis of this 190 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: alleged alien implant. And you know his team does in 191 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: fact believe that these are highly advanced nanotechnological devices cut 192 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: out of people. And the one thing, and I think 193 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: this is important as far as facts about UFOs, because 194 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: we really don't have that many facts. I think there's 195 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: one thing I can stand behind, which is that the 196 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: one thing we know we know for certain about UFOs 197 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: is that they represent a huge amount of energy and 198 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: a small amount of space, and this is recognized by 199 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: our Department of Defense. There are unclassified documents that convey 200 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: this clearly. So we know factually that this phenomena of 201 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: discs in the sky or interaction with non humans, we 202 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: know that this is happening. Can we trust it? Well, 203 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: that's where it gets crazy. Yeah. One of the things 204 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: you point out in there is in the film is 205 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: is truth? Something that is can ever really be known? 206 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that we tackle on this show, 207 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: and you really look into it in this film. My goodness, 208 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: you do, all right. So, speaking of these facts and 209 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: kind of staying in this realm here, when patient seventeen 210 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: had this surgery, had the small piece removed from his leg, 211 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: what happened to it then? So right after the people 212 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: of this foreign body that was cut out of his leg, 213 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: it was put into a serum of his own blood 214 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: cells for preservation. And the first move is we went 215 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: down to Seal laboratories and use their scanning electron microscope. 216 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: And for me, that was one of the first times 217 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: I got to witness the really close up analysis of something. 218 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: You get a little bit of spectral analysis, so you 219 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: get a little bit of knowledge of what this thing 220 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: is made of. I thought we were going to get 221 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: all the answers that day. I think so did patients seventeen. 222 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: But there's highly advanced equipment to determine different things like 223 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: isotopic analysis, which turned out to be very important that 224 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: can't be done just with a scanning electron microscope. So 225 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: the first thing we did was went down to Seal 226 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: laboratories and we looked at it under high magnification and 227 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: tried to get a basic fundamental spectral analysis to understand 228 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: and is this object interesting or anomalist? In fact, is 229 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: it even an alloy? The really strange part that happened 230 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: in the surgical room that I witnessed with my own eyes, 231 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: now I'm going to put a caveat to this. They 232 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: were scanning. I mean, look, I thought it was funny 233 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: as hell. They were using a stud finder to stray 234 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: to find this object and that's that's a construction tool. 235 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, they weren't even using it right. 236 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: So from the rights of that, I was just cracking 237 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: up and like I kind of got a bad dealing 238 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: in my stomach. And I was like, guys, before you 239 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: cut into him, you'll hear this in the film and 240 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: people laugh at the right moments. But you know, I said, 241 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, do you have proper optics, like, you know, 242 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: do you have ultrasound optics? And they're like, yes, of course, 243 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: we're going to find exactly where it is. So I'm 244 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: already like what is going on here? But they used 245 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: a Gauss meter, a Gauss meter measures, you know, to 246 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: a very small degree electromagnetic frequency, just the basics. So 247 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: I took it to my camera. I just wanted to 248 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: see the batteries of my camera made this thing ding. 249 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: Sure enough when it was in his body. Every time 250 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: they took this over his leg, you got a frequency 251 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: or you got a ding. So there's two possible situations here. 252 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: One is they're misusing that like they were the stud finder, 253 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: or this thing was actually emitting frequency. And I have 254 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: absolutely no way to tell you from just visual and 255 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: being a novice at this time to all of these techniques. 256 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: But it was something that made our eyes go big. Okay, 257 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: well let's get this thing out. But the first real 258 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: look at it from the analysis was at Steal Laboratory 259 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: looking at this landscape. I mean it appeared to me 260 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: on the screen like you know pictures you see of 261 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: the topography of the moon. It was interesting. And at 262 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: this point in our story, another character enters the narrative, 263 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: and that would be Steve Colbern. Could you tell us 264 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: a little bit about Steve Wow, Well, I have learned 265 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: a lot about Steve Colburn since the filming. Actually, he's 266 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: a very controversial character, and you might recall, and I 267 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: don't want to give it away. I want people to 268 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: watch the film. But there's a moment in the film 269 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: when he is reading the analysis to patient seventeen, and 270 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: patient seventeen just looks like furious. I mean, he just 271 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: looks like the most skeptical human, the most skeptical six 272 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: foot nine human you've ever seen. But there's a moment 273 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: right after that, and you can't make this stuff up 274 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: where he discloses. Steve Colburn discloses something to me and 275 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: I am just utterly shocked because it changes everything. And 276 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: so I'm not going to give that away, but I'll 277 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: just say that he was Roger Lear's lead scientific advisor 278 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: for the analysis. Because they did sixteen objects prior to 279 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: Objects seven team, and because I didn't have custodianship ever 280 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: of those other objects, it really puts into question the 281 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: reports of those objects, because once you get analysis, it 282 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: can be read in a variety of ways. It's actually 283 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: open to interpretation in some ways. And what I didn't 284 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: say in the film, I don't believe I did. I 285 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: had this analysis looked at people from NASA, the head 286 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: meteorites specialist at UCLA, credible scientists many of whom would 287 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: not go on camera about this subject. But I had 288 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: it looked at from a lot of different sources other 289 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: than just Roger's team after Roger passed away. So just 290 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: to stay on Steve for a moment. When he's introduced 291 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: in the film, he described himself as a material scientist 292 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: who works on carbon nanotubes in his primary job. So 293 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: immediately you get this sense of Okay, this guy knows 294 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: what he's doing, he knows what he's talking about. I 295 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: trust this person as an expert in this field. Then 296 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: you get a little bit further and I don't want 297 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: to I hope this isn't spoiling anything, but I want 298 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: to read just a quote that he states in the film. 299 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: The ultimate goal is to heck the alien Internet. We 300 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: have reason to believe that there's a complex web of 301 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: communication between aliens and some supercomputer someplace, and abductees are 302 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: also plugged into the system. And it's just kind of 303 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: like what it's just like he seems to drop that 304 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: like a bomb out of the blue, and it doesn't 305 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: really come up again, and it's fascinating to think about, 306 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: but it also kind of makes you think, maybe this 307 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: guy's got a little bit of an axe to grind 308 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of a personal motivation, and the way 309 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: he's communicating with patients seventeen and with you as a filmmaker, 310 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: and that's the contention that you feel in that room, 311 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: with that revelation that occurs when he's reading him the results. 312 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: You know, these are complex in individuals, and they as 313 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: a documentary filmmaker, they revealed to me little bits, and 314 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: as I pursue them as a subject, more and more 315 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: tends to be revealed. That was a jaw dropping moment 316 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: for me hearing that theory of these alleged implants. Now, 317 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: all of that aside, my singular goal was to get 318 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: the object into credible labs for blind testing of elemental 319 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: analysis and isotopic analysis, because those facts do not lie 320 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: if they're not tainted with error, and so this is 321 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: kind of my motivation is to show the human side 322 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: of it, to show the belief systems of these individuals, 323 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: show what they're going through, show what they do, show 324 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: what they tell, and then have the audience decide whether 325 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: or not you give weight, because convincing somebody, you know, 326 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: proof for one person is vastly different than proof for 327 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: another person. We all require different elements of proof in 328 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: order to be convinced of something, and that's the fun. 329 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: That's the fun of telling a story purely as a 330 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: documentary filmmaker is letting the audience decipher themselves well, speaking 331 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: of those different types of proof that people in their 332 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: life seek. There's a real progression in the film in 333 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: the I Guess character for lack of better word, of 334 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: Patient seventeen. He seems to go from being kind of 335 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: on the fence about the nature of the foreign object 336 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: in his body, and while he does seem to believe 337 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: that some abduction experiences did take place earlier in his life, 338 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: he kind of seems a little bit more skeptical at 339 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: first before the surgery happens, and then as the film progresses, 340 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: it feels as though his religious faith is actually being 341 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: challenged by this notion of this thing in his body. 342 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: He makes a comment about how you know, if there 343 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: are aliens, then basically all bets are off as far 344 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: as my belief system goes. My question to you is, 345 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: with being surrounded by the supposed experts who are feeding 346 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: him information and describing what they see as evidence, is 347 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: there a sense that you know he was maybe being 348 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: manipulated in a way that could be a detriment to 349 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: his mental well being, And how do you square that 350 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: with the film that you're making. Yeah, well, luckily, you know, 351 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: he and I were kind of teammates in this. We'd 352 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: do an interview, we'd step outside and we talk it through, 353 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: and we decide how much weight to give one person's 354 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: opinion compared to the other. You know, we were truly 355 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: and are truly seeking to define exactly what was taken 356 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: out of his leg. I do see him struggle from 357 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: time to time with everything from faith to his own 358 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: personal belief system. I mean, he is sure that he 359 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: has had abductive experiences. This is something that's been with 360 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: him his whole life. And typically this is generational. So 361 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: if you find, like John Mack, did you know a 362 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: hundred people claiming abductive experiences, even if they haven't asked 363 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: their family genetically, it seems their parents, their mother and 364 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: father or grandparents would also have these experiences. So that 365 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: the short answer is yes, you did see in the 366 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: film a little bit when I directly asked him, would 367 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: this shake the foundations of your faith if this turned 368 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: out to be something not from here? And he says, yes, 369 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: I think it could. But at the same time, you know, 370 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: he's a truth seeker. He wants to know, and as 371 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: far as manipulation of his thoughts, I mean you can 372 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: see his sense of humor. I hope you caught this. 373 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: This was for me one of the funniest moments in 374 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: the movie, and there is a lot of humor in 375 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: there if you catch it. Steve Coleburn was going through 376 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: the analysis and he was kind of arguing with Patients 377 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: seventeen it seemed like about the origin of this object. 378 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: And then Steve just says, do you think your pain 379 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: was initiated by your nervous system by this device, you know, 380 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: to punish you in some way? And Patient seventeen just 381 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: looks directly at the camera the only time he did 382 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: in the whole film, and he goes, well, you know, 383 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: I've been a bad boy. Yeah. Yeah. His sense of humor, 384 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: I think, really he has a great sense of humor, 385 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: and I think his sense of humor really allowed him 386 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: to separate, you know, the immediate emotion of being told 387 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: things like he was being told. During the filmmaking process. 388 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: One of the questions that we know our audience is 389 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: wondering as they listen to our interview today is going 390 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: to be for people who believe that there is an 391 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial origin these sort of implants, One of the most 392 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: immediate questions becomes to what end, for what? For what 393 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: purpose would this would this practice of abduction and implantation occur? 394 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: And we were hoping that you could give us a 395 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: few words and your perspective of these beliefs and what 396 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: what the motivation is seen as being. So you're asking 397 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: me what the motivation of these alleged non humans would 398 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: be to implant humans with some alleged nano technological chip. 399 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: Is that precisely? What's a simple question, Jeremy, Come on, 400 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: well the question, yeah, that's that's uh, that's it in 401 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: one because the ideas, Okay, let's let's say that this 402 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: is the case, then why would why would individuals be abducted? Yeah, 403 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: what's the purpose of this? At least in the eyes 404 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: of people who believe these racks your trustrial in origin? Okay, 405 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: So it is a simple question on face value, But 406 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: when you really want to look at this with any sincerity, 407 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: that becomes a not a simple question, that becomes a 408 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: that goes into the field of broad speculation because the 409 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: fact is we don't know if this is true, which 410 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: is something that I have not swallowed that pill yet. 411 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: But if this is true, then we can only speculate 412 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: on the purpose of this. Now you have to look 413 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: at it from psychological and physical. The phenomenon itself seems 414 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: to be occurring in patterns of reinforcement over time. This 415 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: is well documented by the author Jacques Valet. He's a 416 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: colleague of mine. He takes a scientific approach, and in fact, 417 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: one of the reasons we've recently bonded on looking into 418 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: this stuff is because he is currently doing elemental and 419 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: ice topic analysis on fifteen samples of anomalous aerial vehicles 420 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: or UAPs or UFOs that have crashed or landed. So 421 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: this work is being done. The reason someone would be 422 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: chipped and tagged like a deer or an animal or 423 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: a whale or a shark, like we do as humans 424 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: on Earth, your guests is as good as mine. It 425 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: seems very kind of rudimentary to me. If there's an 426 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 1: advanced intelligence engaging humanity, I understand the psychological operations of 427 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 1: these waves of UFOs to create some sort of understanding 428 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: within humanity that makes sense that the chipping and tagging. 429 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: Don't you think there would be a better way? But 430 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: that's you know, look, I'm coming at this saying let's 431 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: look at this and try to see what we can 432 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: find out. But your guess is frankly as good as mine. Well, 433 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talking in the film too, about 434 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: the idea that some of these devices emit frequency, and 435 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: can you talk a little bit about that, about the 436 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: idea of this being nanotechnology, about being some kind of 437 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: active electronics rather than just a fragment of some kind, 438 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: because I mean, I could even I would maybe even 439 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: be more inclined to believe that it was a byproduct 440 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: of some kind of abduction or like some scrap of 441 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: material that was lodged into somebody's body. But then there's 442 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: also talk of like there's no entry wound or anything 443 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: like that. Talk a little bit about some of the 444 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,719 Speaker 1: possibilities of what these might be hypothetically, sure, I mean, 445 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: because look, there is a lot of people you know 446 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: that come forwards saying they have all sorts of alien implants. 447 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: This is something hit people write to me about. You know, 448 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: every week I get a new email. Now that there 449 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of foreign bodies that are in people 450 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: and they don't know them. I mean the old pencil 451 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: lead in the hand thing somebody I knew he was. 452 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: Her grandfather was the oldest living human with a bullet 453 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: still in his book Rain, you know, is in the 454 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: Guinness Booker World Record. There are foreign objects that get 455 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: into people's bodies, and sometimes they don't see an entry wound, 456 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: or an entry wound would never be apparent years down 457 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: the line. I mean, this could be road rash. Was 458 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: what we were thinking. The joke between me in patient 459 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: seventeen is, after all of this, what if we find 460 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: out it was just a Tonka truck, you know, something 461 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: that it slipped on as a kid. That's obviously the 462 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: first thing we're looking at is is this a piece 463 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: of pencil lead? Is this a piece of a nail? 464 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: Is this road rash? These are most likely going to 465 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: be the answers for ninety nine point nine percent of 466 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: the population, Oddly enough, because I can't talk about the 467 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: other sixteen removals that doctor Lear did, but I can't 468 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: talk about seventeen because when he died, I picked up 469 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: the ball. Nobody was doing it, so I had it 470 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: sent I had it sent to Northern Analytics, and there 471 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: are great laboratory and they did not know what they 472 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: were testing. And I was shocked that No, this was 473 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: not a piece of pencil lead. No this was not 474 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: road rash, No this was not a Tonka truck. In fact, 475 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: the evidence that we acquired and it's one scientific test, 476 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: you need to get many more, at least three to 477 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: make sure that there was not contamination in the test. 478 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: But as stands now, the first test that we have 479 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: definitively shows two things of significance in my opinion, and 480 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: those who this is their wheelhouse, One is that this 481 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: object has thirty six different elements in it. Primarily the 482 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: object is iron. From what I understand, if you just 483 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: took like a common nail, maybe you'd get five different alloys. 484 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: I have not tested a basic nail under broad spectrum 485 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: elemental analysis, but this is what I'm hearing from the 486 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: people that actually do this analysis every day. More importantly, 487 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, I'll just tell you a 488 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: funny story. I was at UCLA and having a beer 489 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: after talking with the head meteorite specialist to rule out 490 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: that this was meteoric iron, because that's what was being 491 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: told to patient seventeen and in fact, it's not meteoric iron. 492 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: I asked one of the world's specialists. He heads the 493 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: Museum of Meteorites at UCLA, and it is not meteoric iron. 494 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: So that was really cool to cross that off the list. 495 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: But as I'm sitting there looking through the results and 496 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: nano talks, ecologist just a dude sat down next me 497 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: while I was having my beer, saw me looking through 498 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: it and goes what you're looking at? And I go, hey, well, 499 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: what do you think of this? This was an optic 500 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: found in a dude's body because he told me he 501 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: was a nanotoxicologist. And I said, would you want this 502 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: out if it was in you? And he's looking through 503 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: it and he's like, yes, you'd want this out. I 504 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: just has like arsenic and heavy metals and irridium and 505 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: all sorts of things. So the elements themselves, having thirty 506 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: six elements playing nicely together in a single small sample, 507 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, that was interesting. But what got really interesting, 508 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: and again this is it is really simple, is the 509 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: isotopic analysis. Would it be appropriate to just explain that 510 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: really simply absolutely tell us about, you know, how elements 511 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: are made up in neutrons when also about nanoman right, 512 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well we gotta get the nano man. But 513 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: first let's start with the isotopic analysis based on the 514 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: number of neutrons in the nucleus. Is that correct? So 515 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: from what I understand, if you cut a piece of 516 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: mountain and you pull out, you know, the zinc, there 517 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: are going to be five different isotopic structures within that 518 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: zinc here on Earth. Four can be tested for their ratios, right, 519 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: and these create like the isotopes will stabilize the zinc. 520 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: So we have zinc sixty four, zinc sixty six, sixty 521 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: seven to sixty eight. That's what you can test for, 522 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: and that's what we did test for. So my understanding 523 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: and the way it's been explained to me by numerous professionals, 524 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: is that you're gonna get a certain terrestrial ratio and 525 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: in fact, this is going to be homogeneous on Earth. 526 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: So there's going to be a certain percentage of zinc 527 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: sixty four in any sample from Earth. And you can 528 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: look at this, you know, just look up on Wikipedia. 529 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: If you're one percent outside the terrestrial ratio, that's when 530 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: they say, yeah, this is not from here. If the 531 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: tests are correct, and in fact, you can tell a 532 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: little bit about distance because of our supernova creating these 533 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: elements the way they are on Earth, just about how 534 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: far these ratios of isotopes will convey that information to you. 535 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: And so what was so fascinating about this was that 536 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: in the zinc sixty four ratio that we got, we 537 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: got far above what would be considered terrestrial. So we 538 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: got fifty one point one percent. The terrestrial ratio for 539 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: zinc sixty four is forty eight point sixty four percent. 540 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: So even with the standard or relative standard deviation which 541 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: you have to apply because of the machines that are 542 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: being used, that puts us well outside the terrestrial ratio 543 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: for zinc sixty four, either above or below with that 544 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: standard relative deviation. So essentially, to make that really really simple, 545 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: if you go to the Moon and you collect sixty four, 546 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be a different ratio than here on Earth. 547 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: If you go to the Andromeda galaxy and you collect 548 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: zinc sixty four, it's going to be a different ratio 549 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: than it is here on Earth. So that's what was 550 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: so fascinating to me, is that we get this scientific 551 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: analysis back and any way you hut it above or 552 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: below with the standard deviation, we have zinc that appears 553 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: to be non terrestrial, which is so bizarre. So I 554 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: went to my mentor, George Knapp, he's an investigative journalist 555 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: in this field but also just in his normal life 556 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, and he said to me, you have 557 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: to get more tests. You need to know quantify this 558 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: as best as possible. He said to look, it's our 559 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: job to investigate the unexplained, not explain the uninvestigated, keep investigating. 560 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: So I thought that was a great Yeah. I thought 561 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: that was a great quote because a lot of people 562 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: don't do that. They jump, you know, obviously to conclusions. 563 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: So you know, back to these terrest ural ratios. I 564 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: started doing some research on the Internet and trying to 565 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 1: find academic papers on zinc sixty four and I hit 566 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: pay dirt. Man. I found this guy. He is now 567 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: a medical doctor Middle America, and he wrote this definitive 568 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: paper on extraterrestrial zinc. Because we study extraterrestrial zinc isotopes 569 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: and isotopes in general all the time here on Earth, 570 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: we study them from meteorites, so we have comparables, and 571 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: so it's so funny I found this this doctor, and 572 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: he wrote this definitive paper, but it was like so 573 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: long ago, I mean, I don't know, maybe twelve years ago, 574 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: as part of a thesis. And I come calling him 575 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: up at his medical practice asking him about how we 576 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: could have results like this, and this guy was just 577 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: rolling his eyes in the back of his head. And 578 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: his conclusion to me was essentially that the lab did 579 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: not triplewash the zinc sixty four and that in fact, 580 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: nickel sixty four ken contaminate the results of zinc sixty four. 581 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: And I was like, perfect, I have an answer. That's 582 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: a real answer. So I went back to the laboratory, 583 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: called the guys that did the analysis and I said, 584 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: will you take a look at the results for me? 585 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: Will you tell me the process you went through? And 586 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,439 Speaker 1: they stand by their results. They did triple wash it. 587 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: It's in the notes, and it's my problem what the 588 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: results are. I mean, that was their their standpoint to me, 589 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: so clearly, clearly I need to get more analysis done. 590 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: But the journey towards that is what this film is about. 591 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: And you do get some answers in the film, some 592 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: really interesting answers, but it's a mystery. This whole thing 593 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: truly is a bona fide mystery. It really is a 594 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: huge mystery. And I want to ask you something that 595 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: seems extremely simple and something that maybe somebody watching film 596 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't think about. But how confident are you that the 597 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: sample taken from patients seventeens leg is the exact same 598 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: sample that was then tested with the isotopic stuff and 599 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: then test it again. Chain of command? Yeah, yeah, how confident? 600 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: Chain of custody? How confident are you that that's the 601 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: same object that now you know you've done all these 602 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: tests on because you also you weren't able to get 603 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: it back. You had a hard time like getting hold 604 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: of it again to run more tests. Isn't that right? 605 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: Oh man? This yes, this is an ongoing battle. I 606 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: mean ongoing. When doctor Lear died, people started fighting over 607 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: custodianship of these samples. So, to answer your question directly, 608 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: that is a huge issue for me. That is a 609 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: huge issue. As I've gone through this and I've learned more, 610 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: that is one of the questions that I have. I 611 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: know the sample, what it looks like, the container. I 612 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: know exactly what it looks like. I can identify that 613 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: with my own eyes, but getting it sent to a 614 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: credible laboratory and having it done. I mean I was 615 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: not allowed to be there for that process, you know, 616 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: I mean nobody was. You know, it was sent to 617 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: the lab set X for that testing. So how can 618 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: you know definitively that is the same object. That's something 619 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: Patients seventeen and I keep going over. We currently do 620 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: know where the object is. These tests that we did 621 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: were destructive, but there's plenty of object remaining to do 622 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: more tests. So my six foot nine giant friend and 623 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: I are banging on doors. We are trying to get 624 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: it back for further analysis. But this is one of 625 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: those things you have to then become a conspiracy theorist, 626 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: because let's say you were to switch out the sample 627 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: and send it over, you just happen to have a 628 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: piece that is not a meteorite of extraterrestrial zinc sixty four. 629 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazier than the object being sent and 630 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: there being some sort of miscalculation. So this is a problem. 631 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: This is one of the things we're running into, is 632 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: we need that sample back and we're trying to get 633 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: it back. So this is really this is a great 634 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: place for us to bring in a character that exists 635 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: in your universe in several places, a gentleman that goes 636 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: by Nanoman. Yeah, could you tell us a little bit 637 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:34,959 Speaker 1: about Nanoman how he figures into the larger context here. Yeah. Well, 638 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: so what I wanted to do in this movie is 639 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to focus in on people who would go 640 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: on camera, who had certain skill sets. Why Nanoman is 641 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: in my universe or on my radar is because I 642 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: started a documentary series on him probably about six years ago. 643 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: I was tipped off by a naval individual, somebody in 644 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: the Navy, and they have guided me before in my work. 645 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: Highest ranking military official that I've ever been in contact with, 646 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: and they've always given me kind of good tips. There's 647 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: actually a current case that just made the news, and 648 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: we'll be making more news that I've been on for 649 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: quite some time thanks to tips like this. So the 650 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: tip was there's a guy, his name is Chris Cooper. 651 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: I call him Nano Man because I thought it was 652 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: funny and he's kind of like a comic character for me. 653 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: He's a very intelligent nanophysicist. He was military funded to 654 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: a huge amount for doing work on nanotechnology and water filtration, 655 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: and in fact, the military used some of his product 656 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: in order to you know, put out special teams that 657 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: can you know, kind of use water filters anywhere. You know. 658 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: He's kind of like this interesting guy. But I was 659 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: connected to him purely because of a propulsion device that 660 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: he was creating, called what he called it, the space drive. 661 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: And what it's really interesting about it is that he 662 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: was getting a forward reaction. He was getting forward thrust 663 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: without any pushback. It was in a vacuum, and he 664 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: couldn't figure out why. So my series was documenting the 665 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: trials and errors that he was making, the progress he 666 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: was making on this thing called the space Drive, which 667 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: was something that was of interest to the United States 668 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 1: Navy at that time. So that's the reason I started 669 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: with him. It was purely propulsion and science, and he 670 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: has a very brilliant mind. And he later revealed to 671 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: me that in fact, what he was trying to do 672 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: with this device was create a spaceship, and then disclosed 673 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 1: to me that he was in possession of other nanomaterial 674 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: that was anomalous and that he would give it to 675 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: me to take to NASA and have it analyzed. And 676 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,399 Speaker 1: I thought this was like a joke because he handed 677 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,760 Speaker 1: me pure it looked like pure water. It was ethanol, 678 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: and in fact, you'll see in one of my short 679 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: films about Nana Man, I did take it to NASA, 680 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: and I did take it to the NASA Nanotechnology Lab, 681 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: and we spent a whole day analyzing this stuff and 682 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: we could visually verify that there was something quite odd 683 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,959 Speaker 1: in what he gave me. So that was my first 684 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: introduction to Nano Man was following him through a series 685 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: of shorts that I've put out, although a feature film 686 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: will be coming out. So he was kind of a 687 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: guy that I knew that I could take the results too, 688 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,479 Speaker 1: who wouldn't just disregard it. He would at least tell 689 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: me his opinion openly about what it is that it 690 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: might be. And so that's why I brought him into 691 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: the movie. Was somebody to look at it without just 692 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: completely dismissing it. That's fantastic, and that's a that can 693 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: often be a challenge lenging thing to find someone who 694 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: is truly objectively and open mindedly investigating something, especially if 695 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: there is a feeling of mystery for some For some 696 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: people that ends up functioning as a stigma. So without 697 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: without spoiling Patient seventeen which we're being pretty careful about. 698 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,280 Speaker 1: I love that you're pointing out how how doctor Kuber, 699 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,760 Speaker 1: how nano man functions in the larger context of your work. 700 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: And this brings us to a couple of points that 701 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: we wanted to We wanted to ask you when we 702 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: were researching some of your other work and some of 703 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,760 Speaker 1: your background and things that you have studied and written 704 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 1: about in in this larger context. There's especially biographical detail 705 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: we wanted to ask you about that relates to our 706 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: earlier episode. Yeah, we and he did an episode on 707 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: Titanic conspiracies, and we were just looking through your IMDb 708 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: bio and it seems like you have a very interesting 709 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: personal connection to that tragedy. Yeah. Actually, I do you 710 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,760 Speaker 1: guys do your research. I guess so. I'm named after 711 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: Edward Lockyer. My friends and enemies call me for name. 712 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: My name is Jeremy Kenyon Locker Corbell and Lockyer was 713 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:30,359 Speaker 1: after Edward Locker, and he was a passenger on the 714 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: Titanic who did not make it. He did fall in love, actually, 715 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, on the boat, and the passenger he fell 716 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: in love with was a woman that when the kind 717 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: of safety rafts were going down he reached out and 718 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 1: dropped her down because the boat was already going down. 719 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 1: She broke both of her legs, but he threw her 720 00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:01,720 Speaker 1: his wallet and his watch, and years later she actually 721 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: came and found my grandmother's family and gave them back 722 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: the wallet and the watch and said, he told me 723 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,879 Speaker 1: to tell you that he loves you, and that's how 724 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: we know his story. For us, we wouldn't have known it. 725 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: I think it was passenger number fifty three if I recall, Wow, 726 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,919 Speaker 1: I don't remember. Yeah, that's that's really really cool to hear. 727 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: I mean, and tragic, but also just what a piece 728 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: of history having that kind of connections. Pretty pretty ring. 729 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was just I was just actually in Budapest. 730 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 1: I premiered in Europe my film at the National Museum 731 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: of Denmark and gave a lecture about UFOs, which is 732 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 1: actually free on my website, Extraordinary Beliefs dot com. You 733 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: can watch that whole lecture. But when I was traveling 734 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: through Europe with my mom, which was cool. It was 735 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: like the drunk history of Europe. It was claric. We 736 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: made it to Budapest and they have a Titanic museum 737 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: there and you could look up the names of the 738 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: passengers and that sort of thing. And yeah, so Edward Lockyer, 739 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: that was a pretty cool and he was actually a 740 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 1: grocer but also a boxer and he was coming over 741 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: on the Titanic for a fight for boxing. So that 742 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,280 Speaker 1: was pretty neat because that is also in my history 743 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 1: of Marshall Athletics, so I didn't learn that till much 744 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,319 Speaker 1: later in life though. So just to stick on the 745 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,720 Speaker 1: Marshall Athletics there, please, can you come back on sometime 746 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: and talk to us about Quantum jiu jitsu? Please? Sure? 747 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: Sure that was either the best or the dumbest move 748 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: I ever made, is naming my particular mma Quantum in 749 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu. That created so much hell for me because 750 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: it sounds so strange. But you know, look, so did 751 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: Warrior Yoga. At the time I trademarked it in like 752 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: two thousand, you know, people were giving me hate mail 753 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: because in yoga, what do you mean Warrior? And you 754 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: know now like even companies have stolen the name and 755 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. You know, it takes time for 756 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: people to advance and in their thoughts it's just a name. 757 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,319 Speaker 1: What's behind the name is more important. And yes, we 758 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: can always do a show. There's so much to say 759 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,240 Speaker 1: about martial arts, because really martial arts is what trained 760 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,920 Speaker 1: my and honed in on my skills to approach things 761 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: like journalism. Inch by inch. I was always kind of 762 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: the smaller and lighter weight fighter. You know, all my 763 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 1: black belts that I've produced, they're like, you know, two 764 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: hundred and ten pound monsters of pure muscles. So in 765 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: order to convince them to train with me, I had 766 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 1: to beat them, and you know, continuously. So so I 767 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: learned very quickly that you know, martial arts like a 768 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: documentary an investigation. It's a matter of inch by inch 769 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 1: life's assents. You know, yard by yard life is hard man. Well, seriously, 770 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's quantum jiu jitsu or any of 771 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: the subjects of some of the other films that you 772 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 1: made in your series, we would know, Joe love to 773 00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,319 Speaker 1: have you back as much as you would like to 774 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 1: be back. I think I speak for the group and 775 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 1: saying that, thank you so much for having this conversation 776 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 1: with us today, and let's end on one final question 777 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: here that I think our audience really wants to know. 778 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 1: You talked a little bit about the reaction to patient seventeen, 779 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: and we'd love to hear what kind of correspondence that 780 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,319 Speaker 1: you've been receiving, if it's leading you in any interesting directions, 781 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: and in general, what are some of your future projects 782 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,319 Speaker 1: coming up? Oh? Absolutely, so. First thing I just want 783 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: to say is that the film Patient seventeen we've been 784 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: talking about. My one purpose in filmmaking initially was to 785 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: uplift the visual aesthetic so that when you watch these 786 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,359 Speaker 1: films their true honest journalism, but that they show you 787 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: the beliefs of people and they show you in a 788 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 1: way that is visually pleasing and fun to watch. So 789 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 1: I hope I achieved that, and I think I did 790 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: with Patient seventeen. A lot of people are watching it 791 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,719 Speaker 1: now that it's on iTunes in the documentary section, people 792 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: can go rent it now. So that's the cool thing 793 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: is this movie is opening people up to a much 794 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: more broad spectrum of my work. I will also say 795 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: that this mystery is far from over. I am on 796 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,920 Speaker 1: this case, as is Patient seventeen. So you will get 797 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: a lot of information from this movie that will, I hope, 798 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,279 Speaker 1: weaponize your curiosity so that you continue to look into 799 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,439 Speaker 1: these things. And it's kind of like how you guys 800 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,520 Speaker 1: run your show. You're telling people what the facts are 801 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: and then where it gets crazy, and so hopefully there's 802 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: a similar tonality in the visual medium that I use 803 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:51,120 Speaker 1: as film. Additionally, the future projects. I am so excited 804 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,360 Speaker 1: you guys now that I have proper distribution, mass distribution 805 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: from my first film. I mean, I've been at this 806 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: a long time. Now you are going to see some 807 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: thing some areas in the field of ufology and beyond 808 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: that have been totally inaccessible to the average person for decades, 809 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: and this information will now be coming out. Specifically, I'm 810 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: going to tell you two things. One Skinwalker Ranch, I 811 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 1: am working directly with the people closest to it. I 812 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: have been to the area and on I have been 813 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,360 Speaker 1: given with my mentor George Knapp because of his book 814 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: that he wrote about it. We have been given the 815 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 1: first time ever access by the tribal nation of the 816 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: Ute Indians in order to film on the premises on 817 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 1: the reservation the sovereign nation and bring that footage to 818 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,120 Speaker 1: you and to the public. This has been an ongoing 819 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,759 Speaker 1: project and it's highly informed. It's a separate website, Hunt 820 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 1: the Skinwalker dot Com, but you can get to it 821 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,800 Speaker 1: from mine, but you will see never before seeing footage 822 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: and what's coming with that. So that is one thing 823 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about. And the other thing, and this 824 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: is a big one, the Elvis of ufology. You know, 825 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,359 Speaker 1: it's like as if you find Elvis alive and there 826 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: he is, you have in the public realm, probably three 827 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,360 Speaker 1: hours of footage only because of George knapp On Bob Blazar, 828 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: one of the most famous names in eupology. Well, I'm 829 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: going to be very happy to be able to announce 830 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: very soon a definitive documentary on and with Bob Lazar. Wow. Wow, 831 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,480 Speaker 1: you heard it here first Friends and neighbors. We're looking 832 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 1: forward to that, And Jeremy, We're going to have to 833 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,919 Speaker 1: get an updates as this project coalesces, and whenever you're 834 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,920 Speaker 1: ready to do an interview about it, we love to 835 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,360 Speaker 1: hear from you. Awesome. Well, thank you guys for running 836 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,839 Speaker 1: an exceptional show. As I said, I've been a fan 837 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: from your first video all the way up to the 838 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: one that you most recently put out your podcast. I 839 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 1: really am just like a kid in a candy store 840 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,480 Speaker 1: excited to be on with you guys. Keep doing good work, 841 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: because the key here is is that people need to 842 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,839 Speaker 1: become participants in these mysteries and not just sit back 843 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: behind their keyboard and be consumers. People need to activate 844 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,319 Speaker 1: and do whatever they can to help look into these 845 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: true mysteries that are occurring. You know, that's the problem 846 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,239 Speaker 1: with peeking behind the curtain. Man. You can't unsee and 847 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,759 Speaker 1: you can't unknow I've heard that before. Quote. Yes, thank 848 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:34,520 Speaker 1: you so much, Jeremy Corbell, the investigatory filmmaker behind Patient seventeen, 849 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,360 Speaker 1: which is available now on iTunes, among other places. Is 850 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,239 Speaker 1: there anywhere else people can get it or is that 851 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 1: kind of the primary point? Oh? Yeah, it's on a 852 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,799 Speaker 1: whole bunch of pay per view platforms, from Xbox to 853 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 1: Amazon to Google Play to ones I've never even heard about. 854 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,759 Speaker 1: But you can easily find it on iTunes. Documentary Well, 855 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 1: like we said, well maybe we didn't, Minister off Air. 856 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it very much, both for the content and 857 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,320 Speaker 1: the edic. It's a very well shot film. It's paced 858 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 1: in a very interesting and accessible way and very visually appealing, 859 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: and makes very good use of a Georgio Moroder track 860 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: that I did in quite a lot, So props to 861 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,720 Speaker 1: you for having good taste in the electronic music department 862 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 1: to Jeremy. And usually when we close the show, we 863 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 1: like to close with a way for the audience, all 864 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: of us listening out there to contact us or experts. 865 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,840 Speaker 1: Is there a place where people could reach out to 866 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 1: you directly, Jeremy. Absolutely so. If they go to Extraordinary 867 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 1: Beliefs dot com and they go to submit a note, 868 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 1: it'll be you know, info at Extraordinary Beliefs dot com 869 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: or editor at Extraordinary Beliefs dot com. But any email 870 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,239 Speaker 1: that they send from my site will get to me. 871 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:57,360 Speaker 1: That's perfect. So everybody right to us, right to Jeremy, 872 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,840 Speaker 1: think about this stuff. If you have any questions, you 873 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,920 Speaker 1: have any comments, just do it. Get involved. You can 874 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,960 Speaker 1: find us on Facebook. You can find us on Twitter 875 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,439 Speaker 1: where we're Conspiracy Stuff. We're on Instagram Conspiracy Stuff Show 876 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 1: and I don't want to And that's the end of 877 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,600 Speaker 1: this classic episode. If you have any thoughts or questions 878 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: about this episode, you can get into contact with us 879 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 1: in a number of different ways. One of the best 880 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 1: is to give us a call. Our number is one 881 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,239 Speaker 1: eight three three stdwy t K. If you don't want 882 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 1: to do that, you can send us a good old 883 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,840 Speaker 1: fashioned email. We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. Stuff 884 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,760 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. 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