1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: You know all the hoops you have to jump through 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: with the city and state that you have to deal with, 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: the regulations, the penalties, de fees and all that stuff 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: on top of taxation. It makes the margins hard for 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: an operator. 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: Lava for Good and Stand Together Music present The War 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: on Drugs Podcast, Season two. This season, we're diving deeper 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 2: into the real stories behind the War on Drugs, its impact, 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: its failures, and the people offering a better path forward 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: today on the show. Founder and lead MC of multi 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: platinum seminal West Coast hip hop group Cyprus Hill, with 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: over twenty million albums sold worldwide for hits like Insane 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: in the Brain, I Ain't Going Out like That and 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: throw your Set in the Air, and first hip hop 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: group to have their own star. 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 3: On the Hollywood Walk of Fame. 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: Cannabis advocate and entrepreneur The One and Only Be Real. 18 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Season two War on Drugs Podcast. I'm 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: Clayton English. 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: I'm Greg Laud. Yes, we're back, Yes, and then we're 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: going back yeah, going. 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 4: Back back back to Charlie. Yeah, it's gonna be, it's 23 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 4: gonna be. It's gonna be one of those ones. 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 5: This was super cool, for those that don't know, we 25 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 5: went out to California. Yeah, sat down with uh Cypress 26 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 5: Hill's own be Real. Yeah yeah, he had us at 27 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 5: a studio, which was amazing. I think you said that 28 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 5: you were like, yeah, this is everything thirteen fourteen year 29 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 5: old me you would expect out of a Cypress Hill. Think. 30 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, like close your eyes and you're like, Cypress Hill 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: is in the cannabis and podcasting game. Now where do 32 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: you think this is going on? And then up here 33 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, I'm in Southsage, Los Angeles. 34 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in a car studio, smoke. 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 5: He's got a lowrider that he shoots the hot Box 36 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 5: show out of. 37 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 4: You get to see that. 38 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,639 Speaker 2: Laven three D be Real just is a absolute source 39 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: on everything we talked about during the interview. You know, 40 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: just reading back on history and things like that. Like 41 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: he was always like this like arbiter in the in 42 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: like the hip hop community, where because he was seeing 43 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: someone that hey, I've struggled, I've come from here, but 44 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: I'm also kind of above a little bit of the 45 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: inner fighting that we saw during that time period. 46 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: He was always a source and you can just see it. 47 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 4: He and he was a weed advocate without trying to 48 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 4: be that. 49 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: It was just who he was. 50 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 5: Where they were coming from Cyprus Hill. They used to 51 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 5: I remember the shows used to have the big weed leaf, 52 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 5: the skeleton, smoke and a joint. 53 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was back when it was dangerous. 54 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 4: It is that they were going down to town right 55 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 4: exactly city? 56 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's not like that cool anymore wherever. Yeah. 57 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 4: Right, you're right, you got this stigma on you. 58 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: So it's true. 59 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I mean, yeah, he's been an amazing 60 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: you know, artists advocate business, I'm true, And a lot 61 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: of what we actually talked about was kind of his 62 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: entrepreneurship and him working in the cannabis industry and what 63 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: that looks like. We think of California as this you 64 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: know area. They they got medical and you know, the 65 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: first state they legalized in twenty sixteen for recreational. You 66 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: think of them as having like, you know, this robust, 67 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: you know system, but a lot of it isn't all 68 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: what it's cracked up to be. And not only is 69 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: it the local stuff that he talks about, but again 70 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: we get back to federal regulation and prohibition. He's trying 71 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: to own stores in different states, trying to move either 72 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: money or the actual products state to state. You can't 73 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: move it state to state or else. And now becomes 74 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: like a big federal defense. And we even found, you know, 75 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: there was a story out of you know, southern California 76 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: where you know, Brench trucks full of cash because they 77 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: can't work within you know, normal banks of money that 78 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: was from a medical store under legal guys under you know, 79 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: state law was pulled over by local sheriffs and the 80 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: money was diverted over to the Feds. They finally got 81 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: it back after there was a big hull of the 82 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: Like again, it's this second class business that we've continued 83 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: to create and that really allows for all the other 84 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: stuff that we want to remove from this, from legalization, 85 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: the black market, bad products, you know, allowing business to thrive, 86 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: let people who are actually impacted by the drug war 87 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: to be able to come back in we're still harming it. 88 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: And it was just really cool to talk to him 89 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: about some of those things from just he sounded like 90 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 2: a business owner, just any other business of concerned about 91 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: his stuff. 92 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 6: Yeah. 93 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think a lot of people look at 94 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 5: you know, California and like it's legal there. Yeah, but 95 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 5: there's so much they still haven't figured out, and there's 96 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 5: so much that still needs to be done. Like once 97 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 5: you get legal weed, you still have to figure out 98 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 5: what are you going to do? From a business aspect, 99 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 5: how are these people gonna put their money in the bank, 100 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 5: how are these people what are the taxes look like? 101 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 5: What are all these things looking like, and what does 102 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 5: it look like to even be a business owner? Because 103 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 5: some of the stuff he was saying, it doesn't make 104 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 5: it look appealing to try to go legal. No, it's 105 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 5: far easier to probably stay in the black market. It's 106 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 5: probably a lot more work to try to go legal, 107 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 5: and it's continuous work. 108 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 4: That's kind of what we learn from him. 109 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know living in DC right now, there's 110 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: been a huge issue because it is a cash market. 111 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: It's actually a very attractive business to launder money through 112 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: now that to try to make money, like you've seen 113 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: that because of licensed caps. You see cronyism where people 114 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: putting out bids and bribes for these things. 115 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: You see money laundering being able. 116 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: To go through because not going through regular banks like 117 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: prohibition actually creates more crime, right and creates more unsafe 118 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: products like be real to talk about that like he is. 119 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: He has stores and things like that. 120 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: He's very you know, passionate about kind of the medical 121 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: aspects of it, like how this works. 122 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: He talked to us about that where yea. 123 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: Working about it with like how he works out with 124 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's what he's doing. And so when 125 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: you you know, he talked about, you go into stores, 126 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: there's people there, a nodgeable, but you get so much 127 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: other bad stuff on the market, and people are a 128 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: knowledge because of prohibition, because things are still in the gray, 129 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: and that's disappointing. 130 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: But it was just good to talk about all that 131 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: stuff though. 132 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 5: It as cool as Yeah, you know, I think a 133 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 5: lot of times people look at it from the smoker's approach, yeah, exactly, like, oh, 134 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 5: you're able to smoke weed is legal, what are you 135 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 5: complaining about? And I'm like, I think you got to 136 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 5: look at it from a business own on his approach, 137 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 5: and that's kind of what be Real gave us in 138 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 5: this interview. 139 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: No, I totally agree. We get into all that with them. 140 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: Don't want to give too much away right now, but 141 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: it was an amazing conversation just talk about you know, 142 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: what he was in the hip hop culture, what he's 143 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: still doing right now, still putting out stuff, and like 144 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: how he's come become this amazing entrepreneur. 145 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 6: And it's a really cool conversation. 146 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: So excited for you all to hear it. 147 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't wait. 148 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 5: Hey that, Me and Greg, our guests and sponsors may 149 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 5: sound smart, we may even make some good points, but 150 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, we're not medical professional. 151 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 4: Okay. 152 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 5: Please don't get your medical advice from a podcast. Anything 153 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 5: we say on here does not constitute official medical advice. Relax, 154 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 5: consult your doctor before you start any new treatment plans. 155 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 5: Got it well? On drugs podcast. Man, it's Clayton English, 156 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 5: It's Greg Lade. 157 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 7: Man. 158 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 5: We somewhere special today Los Angeles, California. Man, we get 159 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 5: be Real studio right here, man with be Real with 160 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 5: doctor Green. 161 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 7: Throw man on that. 162 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 5: Hey, man, thank you for doing this with us. Yes, 163 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 5: thanks for having me. Yes, man for the listeners. Just 164 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 5: maybe give us the be Real the jump off story 165 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 5: because Los Angeles right yeah. 166 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 7: Yeah. I was born and raised here and still here, yeah, 167 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 7: still here. 168 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: You know, I've seen all sorts of craziness from you know, 169 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: the time of being a young young buck, growing up 170 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: to a team to an adult, you know, and the 171 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: evolution of living here in southern California, and it's wow 172 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: when you're born and raised here and you and you 173 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: live on some of those blocks where it's active or 174 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: you're a part of some of those blocks where. 175 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 7: The activities the fast life ship, if you will. 176 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you you grow up quick in that 177 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: and you have a different perspective on things, and it's like, 178 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, you got to have your head on a swivel, 179 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: especially in the eighties, in the eighties before they started 180 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: cleaning all of it up and gentrifying the neighborhoods down 181 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: there a lot of gangs, right, you know. 182 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, man, So when did your journey start with rap? 183 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: You know, we were always fans of music in a 184 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: way that is different than that you just appreciate music. 185 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: It was in a way that we wanted to do 186 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: it as well, you know, so especially with hip hop, 187 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: you know that it's something we felt we could do. 188 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I was writing poetry and stuff when I 189 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: got into it, so it was sort of just the 190 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: figure out how to flip poetry into writing these rap 191 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: songs because it was very similar in certain ways. And 192 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: you know, as anything, you know, you're doing it and 193 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: you're having fun doing it, and you think you're good 194 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: and you're really not. But it was a hobby. Then, 195 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't it was going to be a 196 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: career for me. And in the middle of that, I start, 197 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, rolling with the gangs and stuff like that. 198 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: And you had my experiences and my soldiering in that. 199 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 6: And how old are you when that first kind of started? 200 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 7: Very yeah, I was like fifteen at this point. 201 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: Okay. 202 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: Fortunately Mellow and his brother Sen were still rocking with Mugs, 203 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: so the three of them and myself had that in common, 204 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: and when they got an opportunity, they decided, hey, we 205 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: should go back and call b see if we can 206 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: get him off the street and get him participating in 207 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: the music. At first, I was, you know, not willing. 208 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: I was totally washed, and you know, I had to 209 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: be on the street. And then for some reason I 210 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: know what made me do it. I said, you know, yeah, 211 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: I'll go to the studio and see what's up. So 212 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm seeing these big names rolling through and I'm like, 213 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: oh shit, this is kind of cool. And then I'm 214 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: hearing some of the music and I'm like, fuck, I 215 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: think I could still kind. 216 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 7: Of do that. 217 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: So it gave me like the appetite for being in 218 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: the studio as opposed to being on the street. 219 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 6: Yeah. 220 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: So obviously cannabis is a big part of your music 221 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 2: from the get go, and a lot of it is 222 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: talking about what you've seen in you know, where you 223 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: grew up, you know, kind of how the criminalization of it, 224 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 2: what's it done in your community? Can you kind of 225 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: discuss that, like obviously from an early age, like any 226 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: shared experiences about like living in the community, like and 227 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: then seeing how it the criminalization of cannabis in La 228 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: particularly how it's kind of destroyed the community and everything else. 229 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, I mean there was such a huge 230 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: taboo on it when we came out and started talking 231 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: about it on records the way we did, because a 232 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: lot of people were going to jail for. 233 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, for like now like you like, hey, does 234 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: anyone want to vape? And everyone's like, no, I got 235 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 2: my own, Yeah, yeah, a lot of joys. 236 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, and some folks were doing years. 237 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you know there were stories that you got 238 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: caught with the seed or a roach in Texas, you're 239 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: doing ten to eleven years off top out here in 240 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: La It wasn't necessarily as harsh as that, maybe, but 241 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: it was still you know, it had people very paranoid 242 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: because they treated it like any other drug, and we 243 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: know now that it's not like any other drug, and 244 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: people don't consider it a drug, they consider it a medicine. 245 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: They spent so much money on propaganda and misinformation about 246 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: cannabis to demonize it, so, you know, people had the 247 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: wrong perception about it. It isn't until you know, the 248 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: Internet is now out there for the information Highway to 249 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: just be open to everyone to like do their own research. 250 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until people started doing their own research 251 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: till they realized, you know what, it's not as bad 252 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: as they made it out to be, and a lot 253 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: of this shit is wrong. The steps that we went 254 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: through to get to hear we're pretty tough, because you know, 255 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: talking about this shit early, a lot of opportunities wouldn't 256 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: come our way as they would for others because we 257 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: were championing this that a lot of people didn't understand yet. 258 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: To think about where it's at now, it's like fucking 259 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: huge steps in the right direction finally, you know, and 260 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: the possibilities are endless. I mean, there's still a lot 261 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: of work to be done though, because the taxation is 262 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: unfair and the regulations are unfair. I mean, we cannot 263 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: operate like let's just say a Coca Cola if we're 264 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: trying to do our brands across the whole of the 265 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: United States. Like if we wanted to have a nationwide brand, 266 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: our packaging has to be different in this state. Then 267 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: in this state. We can use this font in this state, 268 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: but not in this state. There's no continuity or semblance, 269 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: I guess in the rules and regulations of legal cannabis 270 00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: at this point, in. 271 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 6: The banking, going into the banking, even staying in the state. 272 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the banking and the taxation, it makes it tough, 273 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: but it's slowly but surely going to get there. I 274 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: think when you think about where we're at now to 275 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: where we were thirty years ago. Big lead the history 276 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: of myself getting into the cannabis industry in the legal 277 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: forum was basically, we've seen all these retail stores pop 278 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: up before they had licenses, even you know, when they 279 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: were still kind of rogue or they were all rogue 280 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: or whatever, and you know, I thought, you know, maybe 281 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: we could do that when it becomes legal or something 282 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: like this. So it was always a thought in the head, 283 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: but it was like whether the other guys were going 284 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: to want to do it or not. And you know, 285 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: a couple of the guys were skeptical about it, you know, 286 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: because it was still up in the air in terms 287 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: of legality and all that stuff. So they, you know, 288 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: the Cyprus remained hands off on it. But I thought, well, 289 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, I could take a chance if I did 290 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: it on my own. And so, you know, it started 291 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: with just putting a few products out there. I think 292 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: it was an edible, and you know, to my surprise, 293 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, people found out about the edible. It was 294 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: made by a guy named Chris Bliss. To our surprise, 295 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people reacted and it took a few 296 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: years before before anything really happened. But that was like 297 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: the first you know, dive into It was like an 298 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: infused edible. It was like an oatmeal cookie or some 299 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: shit like this. And eventually, you know, because my squad 300 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: and myself came from the cultivation background, we thought, well, 301 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: eventually maybe we could use this green thumb thing to 302 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: put out flower and whatnot. 303 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 7: Eventually, you know, I. 304 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: Partnered up with a couple of people to do a 305 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: licensing deal with the first couple of shops that we 306 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: opened up, and you know, we got an amazing first 307 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: day show of support of what we were doing by 308 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: a lot of Cypress Hill fans and a lot of 309 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: fans that have like kind of followed this trajectory when 310 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: I made the character in a Cypress Hill song and 311 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: I started doing parties and events at it, and now 312 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm launching you know, a couple of stores and stuff 313 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: like that. So the support was overwhelming, and that that 314 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: was basically the start. It went from like that cookie 315 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: product to possibly doing flour into you know, maybe it's 316 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: actually the platform, and then you know, we'll create another 317 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: product that goes into the platform. And that's where the 318 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: Insane oge which was you know, are at the time 319 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: our flower brand that we were putting into the stores, know, 320 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: and it was called Insane to tribute Cypress Hill as 321 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: for Insane, So that you know, that was basically the 322 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: entry and and you know, based off of the support 323 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: we got here and the excitement that it caused because 324 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: now you had social media everywhere and people you know, are. 325 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 7: Getting shots in front of it. 326 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: It's like when you're going to open up here when 327 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: you're going to open up there and you know, hey, 328 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: in a perfect world, yeah, you could just easily open 329 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: all these places. 330 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 7: But it was tough to open up in the first place. 331 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: There's a lot of nimby stuff in California, particularly, like 332 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: local control was realy heavy. 333 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 334 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was fortunate in that I had operators who 335 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: had already been in operation, you know, different names, so 336 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: they sort of knew all the you know, all the 337 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: nuances that it took to run a shop, right, and 338 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: they had done a lot of the groundwork in terms 339 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: of having to deal with the city, with the licenses 340 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: and like, they had taken care of all that because 341 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: they had already been operating and they knew what the 342 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: system was, so they had all that in place, which 343 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: made it easier. So when we, you know, put the 344 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: sign up, people people came to it. And you know, 345 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: when was that first year you had your first retail, Yeah, 346 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen around that time. 347 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 2: What has been that experience as like a small you know, 348 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: cannabiz owner. 349 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 6: Is that the term or is that lame? 350 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: Well, it's you know, it's cool again, Yeah, I mean 351 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: it's it's it's great, but it has its challenges. You know, 352 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: all the hoops you have to jump through with the 353 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: city and state that you have to deal with, the regulations, 354 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: the penalties, the fees and all that stuff on top 355 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: of taxation. It makes the margins hard for an operator, 356 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, in this industry. So it's been tough on 357 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: big brands and independent brands. The bigger brands that have 358 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, funding, you know that they've survived to a degree. 359 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: Well some of the independence mom and pop right type 360 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: of brands and shops have have went away. Some of 361 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: them are still there. But yeah, you know, it's it's uh, 362 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: it's been challenging. I mean, it's rewarding in one way 363 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: because i mean, you know, hey, listen, we got legalization 364 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: and you know for medicinal and recreational and people are 365 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: not going to jail for it, and they're starting to 366 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: let some of those folks go that had cannabis convictions 367 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. 368 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 7: So that's great. 369 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: But in terms of the operator and consumer, we're we're 370 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: still sort of paying for you know, we're paying to 371 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: play right exactly. Because you know a lot of people 372 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: thought when when they got into Canabi, the cannabis industry, 373 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: they were just going to be making money hand over fist, 374 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: and you know, in the beginning maybe it was like that, 375 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: but right about now it's it's not that not that easy, 376 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: whether you got micro licenses or you're just working with 377 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: one license, and. 378 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 6: That breeds the illegality too, because then they start. 379 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: Doing well, which is why the black market flourishes, you know, 380 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: because it's like if the consumer thinks, well, I used 381 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: to get this for this, and now it's way too 382 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: fucking expensive. I'm just gonna call dude around the corner, 383 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: who's got some ship. 384 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: Jimmy's always been there. 385 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 7: Jimmy's Jimmy and Timmy and Leimmy. They have always been there. 386 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: You know, can't guarantee that the cannabis is clean, but 387 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: it might be. 388 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 7: Gas too, you know. 389 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: That's yeah, you know, the gas is a term for 390 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: really good, you know what I'm saying, And so you're 391 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: dealing with that. Then un till the city and state 392 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: sort of like come with the fair plan for us. 393 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 7: It's it's it's. 394 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: Still gonna be taking those little bumps and bruises. But 395 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: I always believed that that the cannabis needed to create 396 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: its own lobby group to go and bring those taxes 397 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: down and get like sort of the regulation for most 398 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: of these states and stuff done before the other guys 399 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: that come in. 400 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, with that real. 401 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: Money come in and they start funding the lobbyists, and 402 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: then they're going to wash a lot of people out 403 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: after that. 404 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: They're right, a lot of the ballot measures that go 405 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: on there, they indoctrinate the people that have already been 406 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: working in the medical industry, and it's a huge issue. 407 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that I always thought the industry should do that, 408 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: you know, like band together, because then you're you know, 409 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: you're sort of carving your own path as opposed to 410 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: waiting for these guys to come do it and believe 411 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: that they will, like, you know, when the big money 412 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: is able to come in, they're going to lobby that 413 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: those taxes down and it's going to benefit them because 414 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: they will get it down, but it's going to benefit 415 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: them and anyone else isn't necessarily going to be grandfathered 416 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: in in the nice way, you know what I mean. So, Yeah, 417 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: if they brought the taxes down, it would allow growth 418 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: in many areas in terms of job growth. You know, 419 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: people would be able to hire more staff in some 420 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: of the cultivations because you need staff in the cultivations, right, 421 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: and even in the in the storefronts, and in all 422 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: aspects you know, from distribution and manufacturing and development and 423 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: all that stuff. You'd see all that grow and it 424 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: would allow the actual business to make money, and it 425 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: would make more money for the state and for the government, 426 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But when you're punishing, the 427 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: margins are very much lower, and then you start losing 428 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: businesses and losing those jobs and losing that tax dollar, 429 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: which is you know, some of what we're seeing in 430 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: the cannabis industry here in California. People have lost their 431 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: shops and lost their businesses who took a chance. 432 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious like what you saw during like COVID 433 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: during here in the cannabis industry, because it did seem 434 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: like a lot opened up. 435 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 6: People on cash. 436 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: Maybe and then yeah, I mean there was an influx 437 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: of money spending and in the dispensaries, you know when 438 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: they got deemed as essential businesses, which they were, Yeah, 439 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: and people were getting that little bit of extra money 440 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: to spend, so they'd go off to every dispensary was 441 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: up at that time from the legal dispensaries to the 442 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: rogue shops. 443 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 7: Like I was, Yeah, I was all. 444 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: They all made a lot of money in that time, 445 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: rogue shop and license shop both, you know, and when 446 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: whenever they came back and those checks went away and 447 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: that extra money was gone, You've seen the dip everywhere. Yeah, 448 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: and then you know, the taxes became what they were 449 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: at what thirty eight percent like that, Yeah, and then 450 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: it made it hard for everybody. 451 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 7: And you know, you had a lot of guys. 452 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: Over producing cannabis too that couldn't get rid of it 453 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: as they were, you know previously, because now no one 454 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: had that extra money. 455 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 6: Right, particularly in bulk larger orders, and. 456 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 7: Now everything's taxed a little bit higher. 457 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: So it just kind of put the industry in a 458 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, slowed the pace down a little bit. 459 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: Cannabis still gets discriminated on on many different levels. I mean, 460 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: you look at some of these platforms like YouTube and 461 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: that we broadcast on ig which we post content on Facebook, 462 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: which we were posting more content on in the past, 463 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: but not so much these days. They all discriminate against 464 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: cannabis accounts. So let's just say you have a business 465 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: and you don't have marketing dollar. All you have is 466 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: the social media networks to try and you know, get 467 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: some people, get some attention onto your brand, onto your 468 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: shop or product whatever. You know, immediately you got these 469 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: guys putting the hammer down on your account where you 470 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: know they'll they'll what do they call it, ghost shadow 471 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: band shadow ban your account, which I've gone through that 472 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: with Instagram and Facebook, right, I still go through it 473 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: because I'm a cannabis activist and advocate and obviously business 474 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: owner and consumer and connoisseur, right, all these different labels 475 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: in the cannabis industry. They don't look at it like 476 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm an artist, like a musician from this smell. Yeah, 477 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: they're looking at me this way, and so you know, 478 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: my content, right's a fine line for them. So you know, 479 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: in the past, I've had to like go and take 480 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: off all my cannabis content so that they'd stop limiting 481 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: my content distribution. So like they make it if you 482 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: have a brand in your to like you know, get 483 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: some attention on it, just fucking squash it out. And 484 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: you know they do that with a lot of cannabis accounts. 485 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: It's not just mine, it's like the whole of us, 486 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, And it makes it hard, 487 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: especially when you're dealing with the margins you're dealing with 488 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: and you can't you don't have a budget to like 489 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: market like a corporation might. You don't have the marketing 490 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: and promotion, and you don't have the staff. All you 491 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: got is this. They won't even let you live there, 492 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: and so it's it's tough, but you know, it can 493 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: be done in spite of all these trials and tribulations 494 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: they're putting us through. If you've got a brand that 495 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: people trust and they trust you and you put out 496 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: quality shit, they will sustain you through the hard times 497 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: and support you, you know what I mean. So it 498 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: can be done. You just got to be able to 499 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: survive the wave of bullshit. It's happening right now, and 500 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: it might change in the next couple of years, you 501 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: never know, but like you've got to be able to 502 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: survive that wave. And fortunately we're one of the ones, 503 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, surviving right now. 504 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: Right So you're not only in California, you're in multiple states, 505 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 2: Like how many people are you employing in what are 506 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: the difficulties of like managing operations in a multi state 507 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: you know area with cannabis like that's yeah. 508 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: Well we're here, We're here in California and we're in 509 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: Michigan right now, and we're currently you know, trying to 510 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: expand to other states. And again, you know, one of 511 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: the stores stores, yes, and product and product, you know, 512 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: so we're expanding our product line and and Aura and 513 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: Aura dispensaries trying to because it's not easy being that again, 514 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: you know what we spoke about earlier. Every state has 515 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: a different set of regulations as to what you can 516 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: use for the logo of your dispensary. And then you know, 517 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: do you have a farm that you're going to get 518 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: your product from for the dispensary. You know, there's all 519 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: these different sorts of things to navigate. So it's something 520 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: that we definitely are planning on doing more of. But 521 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: it's just trying to figure out how we navigate that 522 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: with without. 523 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 7: Losing our fucking minds. 524 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: They make it They make it tough for all of us, 525 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, especially when you're trying to 526 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: do multi state operations, you. 527 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 7: Know what i mean. 528 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: So if they had, you know, one set of regulations 529 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: and rules that we go by as opposed to you know, 530 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: having to do it this way in Arizona, doing it 531 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: this way in Florida, doing it this way in Colorado, 532 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: and this way in California. I mean, it makes it 533 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: tough because if you have any if you're trying to 534 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: have any continuity in meaning that like whenever you go 535 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: to McDonald's, you see the same colors and the same 536 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: golden arches, you see jack in the boxes that reddish white. Yeah, 537 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: so like what you're trying to put up a shop 538 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: that's very brand driven and not necessarily just product driven, 539 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: and you cannot use elements of that brand that people know, right, 540 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: it makes it tough. So you know, we're still we're 541 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: still growing here in California and we're you know, trying 542 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: to grow outside of that. 543 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 7: But it's it's tough. 544 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: And you know, we got we got some things in 545 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: the works where we're you know, trying to get some 546 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: new shops open in twenty five in different states. And 547 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: I do know that when we open up in different places, 548 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, people get excited about it, and you know, 549 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: it does end up opening opportunities for others who want 550 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: to work for the brand. And whether it's in Michigan 551 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: or Arizona or Nevada or places like this. 552 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 5: Job creation is important. They're always talking about that. 553 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, and we know that our brand does that. 554 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: So it's it's just about you know, landing in the 555 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: right places and dealing with all with all the red 556 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: tape within those fucking places. 557 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 7: And with cannabis, it's a lot. 558 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 5: You were talking about the lobbying. The cannabis industry needs 559 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 5: to lobby together. Everything you just said sound like you 560 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 5: need to head up the lobb You can go down 561 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 5: there because everything you said made since job creation, all 562 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 5: that type of stuff. What can you say about, you know, 563 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 5: people getting together and actually doing that or making that happen. 564 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 4: I would that. 565 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: Look well, you know, it takes everybody to be willing 566 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: to put the egos aside, in the competitive nature of 567 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: the cannabis business aside, because it became competitive and cut 568 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: throat out of nowhere, to put all that aside and 569 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: put their money together and do this before the big 570 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: money comes and does it for them, because if they 571 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: come and do it for us, a lot of us 572 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: are going to get shut out and it's going to 573 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: still be hard to operate for us while they reap 574 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: all the benefits. So you know, I've said this in 575 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: different interviews and with different people, but it just takes 576 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: the action, you know, people that actually have that kind 577 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: of finance, you know, that kind of funding to say, 578 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: all right, let's start this fucking lobby. Let's let's find 579 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: one of these politicians that we can get to get 580 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: down with us, because I mean, it's all about money 581 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: and in that network. 582 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 7: Unfortunately. 583 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, Biro, this has been absolutely awesome, appreciated. Any 584 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 2: place that you want to plug anything you want to 585 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: shout out before we go, uh. 586 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: You know, just for Cypress Hill shows, check out cypresshill 587 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: dot com. And if you want to check out the 588 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: Doctor Green Thumb podcast or show whatever you know, check 589 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: it out, just look it up. 590 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 6: Awesome, It's been great. 591 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 4: Thanks all right. 592 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: Amazing, especially thanks to be Real for opening up a 593 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 2: studio all the way open. 594 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 7: Now. 595 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: But I think you know, talking to him, you know, 596 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: we these things get voted on and passed through the 597 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: legislature or you get to the ballot box, you see 598 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: it passes. You're all excited, and sometimes it does not 599 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 2: come to fruition. And we're seeing that with the cannabis 600 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: industry that there's a lot more work to be done 601 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: and this is multi layered and very complicated. 602 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 5: But legalization, decriminalization, that's just the start of Yeah, because 603 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 5: it especially for people who you know, look at the 604 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 5: crime aspect of it. They're trying to they want it 605 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 5: to not increase crime in their area. Well, when it's 606 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 5: decriminalized or legalized like this, it's going to increase crime 607 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 5: because it's a cash business. Like that's one thing I'll say, Yeah, 608 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,239 Speaker 5: marijuana is peaceful, but money never. And so when you 609 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 5: have a lot of money on hand, it doesn't matter 610 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 5: what you're selling, you're going to attract people that are 611 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 5: going to try to get I've known people in the 612 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 5: industry who've been you know, in violent robberies, you know, 613 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 5: involved it because they don't have a place to put 614 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 5: their money like they should, or regulations aren't in place 615 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 5: to accept the money. 616 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and to try to get into this industry is 617 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: such an overwhelming impediment for so many people. You know, 618 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: I've talked to you know, growers and retailers and a 619 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: lot of different places. Because we've been actively working took 620 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: at the federal level to kind of at least make 621 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: this industry like other industries. Like if your business touches 622 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: cannabis in any way, you could be susceptible to incredibly 623 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: heavy fines and taxes. So I've heard retailers say sometimes 624 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: it's seventy to eighty percent of gross sales can actually 625 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: be threatened by the irs to come in and take that. 626 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: And so it obviously stemies everything you hear industry after 627 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: industry and business person after business per se. If this 628 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 2: provision was removed, we could do a lot more things. 629 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 2: And that's just one tiny little aspect. It's also that 630 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 2: it's a federal you know, it's still first you know, 631 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: Schedule one drug and all the other little things that 632 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: that does to the actual industry. And so, like you 633 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 2: talked about, people can't put their money in there, so 634 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: that increases crime and it makes people go away. People 635 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 2: are going to get all their revenue, all their hard 636 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: work is going to get potentially taken by their government 637 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: or tax to death, so they stay away from it. 638 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: You're seeing all these complications just because we've decided to say, 639 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: at the program, this is still in this schedule in 640 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: the same place where heroin is pretty remarkable. 641 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think another thing politicians always talk about 642 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 5: is job creation. Those types of things when you're doing 643 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 5: things like this, you're limiting the jobs that's allowed to 644 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 5: be created. 645 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean be real saying, so how many work 646 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 2: could he create and others creating. 647 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 5: Yes, and we're not just talking about at the dispensary. 648 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 5: Sure he might have a dispensary and they hire a 649 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 5: few people, but it goes all the way to the 650 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 5: grow operation, It goes to the it goes to everything. 651 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 5: Everything is impacted by any way a normal business would function. 652 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 5: He also brought up the point where he said, if 653 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 5: it was a normal business that had to do all 654 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 5: of these things, you would never see that. 655 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 3: Product, not in a million years. 656 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 7: If it was a. 657 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 5: Soda, if it was Coca cola, if it was something 658 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 5: like that that we are familiar with that we use, 659 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 5: if they had to go through all of these regulations, 660 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 5: they would have never made it as a company. 661 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: No, And you can't even ship it across state lines. 662 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 2: And so you thought you had like this, you know, 663 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 2: farm or whatever else you're growing. You're doing all these 664 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 2: things and your only way to like make profits is 665 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 2: essentially in your little area, right, and then your little 666 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: area might say, like in California, we've seen this, Hey, 667 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 2: you can't do that here or if you are, we're 668 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: going to cap it and good luck trying to compete. 669 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 3: For these bids. Who do you think is going to 670 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: get the bits. 671 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 2: It's the people that have the money, post of the money, 672 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 2: and the most of the things that are being written 673 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: are by people that already have direct investment into the 674 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 2: industry and they're going to make these things in ways 675 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: that allow for them to profit. 676 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 3: And maybe we saw it very. 677 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 2: Similarly with alcohol when post prohibition, if you go in 678 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: your states, it's very difficult if you're or small craft brewer, 679 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 2: a lot of places to actually get your products out. 680 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: And why because the big guys when they made the 681 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: laws in nineteen thirty said all this. 682 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 3: And we're seeing the same thing happen here. 683 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 6: Yes. 684 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, the preferential treatment like we talked about would 685 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 5: be real. 686 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 4: The mom and. 687 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 5: Pops get pushed out for these bigger corporations that are 688 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 5: in other things. And we see politicians moving into the 689 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 5: space too. We see politicians who were against, you know, 690 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 5: drugs in every way when they come around and there's 691 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 5: money to be made, Hey, maybe this could work. 692 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 3: It's constructive story. Yeah, right now I'm seeing the light. 693 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, So Greg Man you in policy what needs to 694 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 5: be done? Man, Because every time we get to this point, 695 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, I'm looking at you. 696 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 4: What needs to be done? But I always remember. 697 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 5: You say the classification, the rescheduling. 698 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everything trickles down from that, and then 699 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 2: there's a lot more other stuff to do. But you know, 700 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 2: we were talking to be real after the interview and 701 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 2: just kind of discussing like what can be done because 702 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 2: it does seem very insurmountable, and a lot of what 703 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: he was saying is like we have to kind of 704 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 2: come together and come to a coalition. So I know 705 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: we were chatting about maybe doing some op eds and 706 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 2: getting together to kind of talk about this and kind 707 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: of getting people together to raise these issues, because I 708 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 2: do think it's all the little stuff that really hinders this, 709 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 2: because it's. 710 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 3: Like, hey, you guys, be quiet. 711 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 2: Now you got your stuff, and now we're going to 712 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 2: regulate this thing the way we want. And I think 713 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 2: people have to stand up to say no. But first 714 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 2: things first, it really is trying to remove some of 715 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 2: those provision aspects at the federal level, because everything trickles 716 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 2: down from You can't have a thriving business when the 717 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 2: federal government says the product you're selling is the worst thing. 718 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 4: It's the worst thing, right, is illegal? 719 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 3: Is we don't it's super leategy. 720 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 2: Yeah no, So you know we're gonna kind of keep 721 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 2: monitoring this and as updates come, you know, be sure 722 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 2: to check out all our pages and things like that. 723 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna we're going. 724 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: To keep find of this and what we'll see there 725 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 2: might be some opportunity used to to really start to 726 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 2: kind of remove some of these you know, burdens to people, 727 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 2: because all we're asking let's make it a fair ball game. 728 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 3: And allow for people. 729 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 2: If we're gonna have this industry, to stop kicking it 730 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 2: under the leg You've. 731 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 5: Got to get be real here in Washington, absolutely real 732 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 5: to talk to Congress or something. 733 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 3: He's gonna marschtalls of Congress. 734 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 2: We'll get him out right, yeah a post. 735 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,439 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah. 736 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 2: He will be going through general security interests and everything else. 737 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 3: So now again specially thanks to be real. 738 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 2: And then we have another great artist coming in now 739 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: leave in LA going into Nashville. Personal favorite of mine, 740 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 2: John Osborne from the Brothers Osbourne. There he's a Maryland boy. 741 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 2: So the the my Maryland White Tress accent comes out 742 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 2: pretty good in this UH interview. 743 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 4: We did a couple of times it did. 744 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 3: It does. 745 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the ols and the ow's and and all that, 746 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 2: we're starting to thread pretty good. He was an amazing, 747 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 2: amazing conversation about mental health. You know, again, being at 748 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 2: the peak of your powers all these things is still 749 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 2: a human inaction. 750 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 5: It is is the human condition. It's the human way. Yeah, 751 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 5: if you're not struggling, you're probably not doing that. 752 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 2: And he has an amazing story and how you know, 753 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 2: psychedelics and other things have helped him and how it's 754 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 2: helped some of his friends potentially save their lives. 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