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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, or should I say ho ho ho?

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Speaker 1: It's me Matt Rogers And in the words of another

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Speaker 1: Christmas icon, it's time. I'm back with my new nationwide tour,

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Speaker 1: Matt Rogers Christmas in December. Yes, it's time to remember

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Speaker 1: when Christmas is. I'm hitting the road all of December

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Speaker 1: with Henrykoperski and the whole band performing my album Have

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Speaker 1: You Heard Of Christmas, along with a bunch of other

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Speaker 1: stream the album, get your look together and get ready

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Speaker 1: to deck the damn halls at a venue near you

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Speaker 1: Christmas in December. You in my heart XO XO Santa Boy.

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Speaker 1: Look Marire, Oh, I see you, I aw and look

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Speaker 1: over there is that the culture? Yes, goodness, wow loves

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Speaker 1: culture loves culture calling. I was just touching base with

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Speaker 1: you before we got on because you and our guests

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Speaker 1: share something you're on the real SML. She was on

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Speaker 1: the fictional Studio sixty. On the Sunsets Trip, she played

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Speaker 1: a Christian sketch comedian. I'm halfway to that. I just

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Speaker 1: have to be witnessed and then I'll be there. One

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Speaker 1: of these days, someone will see you. What's your background

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Speaker 1: with Christianity? Do you okay? So we are, we are

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Speaker 1: on this ride off to the races. I'm a confirmed Catholic.

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Speaker 1: Get this, you got you were confirmed. I went all

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Speaker 1: the way through my parents. You learn so much about it,

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Speaker 1: and then I got I don't talk about my christian

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Speaker 1: It was not Greek Orthodox. No, I was Greek Orthodox.

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Speaker 1: And then we moved and my parents were like, you know,

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Speaker 1: let's just be a Roman Catholic because it's basically the same.

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Speaker 1: And so then don't tell the Pope. Then, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't tell him and don't tell him about us. His

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Speaker 1: opinion is real. Culture number eight, I don't want to know.

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Speaker 1: One of your Chicago shows back in the day, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I know, I knew. I see that face. It's like

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Speaker 1: when Taylor Swift recognizes someone in the crowd and it's

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Speaker 1: the Pope. Honestly, he's probably a tailor. Fan isn't anyway

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Speaker 1: my confirmation name. It was between this is so my

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Speaker 1: life too. I was choosing between Christopher and Blaze. You

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Speaker 1: already have one of the apostles names, Matt. I picked

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Speaker 1: Christopher too. I stayed the Blaze. No, I didn't pick Blaze.

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Speaker 1: a is a Saint Blaze. People don't know this, and

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Speaker 1: that he was the Saint of I believe Fire. I'm

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Speaker 1: making it up. I don't think there is Saint Sebastian.

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Speaker 1: I just picked a gay name. Speaking of names, our

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Speaker 1: guest is Harry Harrington Lane. That's a very dynasty coded name. Squire, Squire.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Then, I when I got on the Wikipedia for the

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Speaker 1: show and I read the first of all the names

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Speaker 1: of the real actresses in the cast, was one thing,

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Speaker 1: and then reading the character names really blew me away.

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Speaker 1: Because Kim Kardashian will be playing Laura Grant. Squire. My

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Speaker 1: name is a Laura Grant. I'm your lawyer. Oh my god, hey,

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Speaker 1: you made it meet my friend a Laura. You've met

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Speaker 1: a Laura and you turn it to someone who looks

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Speaker 1: like Kim Kardashi and you go, oh, that's the definition

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Speaker 1: of overste What is a Laura the saint of Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. It's fun background, fucking

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Speaker 1: all's fair, fucking all's fair. The show made in a

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Speaker 1: lab and the Ryan Murphy Lab, which is one of

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Speaker 1: the best labs for us, for us. Yeah, you've got

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Speaker 1: our guests, got Kim.

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Speaker 3: Judith, niece, Miss Liz Burk's missus Liz Burka Lee.

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Speaker 1: This is this is a dream. This is a dream

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Speaker 1: and a half. It's a fever dream that I cannot wait.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be on Hulu. You're all gonna.

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Speaker 3: Bember fourth our guests, Tony Winner, Emmy Winner, Culture Award Winner.

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Speaker 1: Culture Award Winner. We've got a lot of category Icon

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Speaker 1: four hundred Honor, a figure of great renown, talent, renowned,

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Speaker 1: and more. We are super gagged and more to have

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Speaker 4: I can't dressed like Amelia Earhart explain the the It's

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Speaker 4: just Selene, it's the new Amelia. It's a new Amelia,

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Speaker 4: and I'm just you know, represent Yeah, it's like a

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Speaker 4: But that's why it works.

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Speaker 1: We were saying, like the looks that were being turned

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Speaker 4: Yes, especially if Kim Kardashian is your coastar. Because what happens.

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Speaker 4: It's Kim send someone to do a little waxa Woo,

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Speaker 4: Like where's the lighting?

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Speaker 1: Where's the thing.

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Speaker 4: And so when we were all standing there looking more

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Speaker 4: And it's because Kim went and dene with the lighting,

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Speaker 4: And then she went and made sure that we had

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Speaker 1: And so so you're privy to the waxya Woo video,

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Speaker 4: I've not seen the waxy Woo video. But I was

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Speaker 4: told that waxa Woo happened. She gets the info and

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Speaker 4: she's like, and I just I gotta say, sign me

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Speaker 4: you can just follow me around like this all day long,

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Speaker 4: that's really it was just I was like, who is that?

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Speaker 4: Looking at my own face? I was like, who is

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Speaker 4: who is that? It's like, it's just me with really

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Speaker 4: excellent lighting.

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Speaker 1: You don't ask yourself question very often, do you who

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Speaker 1: is that? Because I don't. I mean, you're a great chameleon, and.

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Speaker 4: I can look like different things. You trip once for

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Speaker 2: My was like one of my favorite is like really,

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Speaker 2: oh alecazoo wound, I mean it was it was like

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Speaker 4: That's like what I care about it from an acting standpoint,

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Speaker 4: like sure, does do I have.

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Speaker 1: A you know, a hump in the back? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You played a pirate, yet today I'm playing about I'm

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Speaker 4: the Pirate of the sky.

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Speaker 1: It's like if like Amelia went down hard and like

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Speaker 4: I think she did?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? At this point, like Amelia, I think she's gone.

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Speaker 1: But I digress. I think we should do a big

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Speaker 4: But let's but we can also get the right minds.

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Speaker 4: I think we've like been on the wrong track. Like

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Speaker 4: you don't need the aviation experts. We need some like

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Speaker 4: gay people. We need to Laura Grant, Carrington Lane, I'm

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Speaker 4: Glenn close as Dina Standish just on the case.

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Speaker 1: I think I will Emerald Green, Green.

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Speaker 4: Green, Milan and by the way, in Paris, Yeah, like

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Speaker 4: all our costumes were in these different rooms like at

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Speaker 4: these events, and it's just we all have our names

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Speaker 4: and then it's just Milan. And she's like, do I

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Speaker 4: was like, it's like your share of Madonna exactly, just Milan.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. What can you tell us about Carrington Lee?

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Speaker 4: I love your Dynasty coded thing, which is it's got it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think Ryan and I ever discussed this,

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Speaker 4: was Alexis Carrington noted because this is just like and

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Speaker 4: I am playing that person on the show. I am

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Speaker 4: your your you know Esquire villain esquirest She's given antagonists,

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Speaker 4: she's given out for blood, she's given revenge. Till she dies,

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Speaker 4: she will be revenging because essentially, these ladies started their

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Speaker 4: and they don't take me with them. I am the

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Speaker 4: greatest lawyer in my opinion, and it also Glenn closest opinion.

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Speaker 4: Like I was not Glenn Close Dena Standish.

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Speaker 1: I was the star of the thing.

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Speaker 4: And but I'm you know, I've got a bad attitude,

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Speaker 4: I see, and so nobody wants to be around. And

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Speaker 4: so then they start throwing firm and they leave me behind.

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Speaker 4: And when you leave this girl behind.

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Speaker 1: She's gonna come for you. She's going to come for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh so basically it's that.

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Speaker 4: But it's basically like a little person who was injured

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Speaker 4: and now she's out for blood.

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Speaker 1: Great. You know, hurt people, hurt people, and we hope

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Speaker 4: You are going to see a lot of hurd and

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Speaker 4: then hurting. Yeah, people's husbands.

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Speaker 1: I don't care for it.

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Speaker 3: Delicious, I mean I'm I'm getting to that age now

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Speaker 4: Really Some people retreat. Some people go all in in

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Speaker 1: We're three actors here, or you become three desperate attention

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Speaker 1: seeking freaks. Yeah, speaking of desperate. Oh so, I think

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Speaker 1: so definitely. The first time you hit my screen was

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Speaker 1: And I think many people in the world were like

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Speaker 1: who is that? Finally, but you were iconically Lynette's sister

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Speaker 1: on Desperate Housewives, which was really a formative culture. Oh

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Speaker 1: I love this, Yeah, Oh no, I remember you from it.

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Speaker 3: This was you do.

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Speaker 4: This was a moment in my career where you know,

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Speaker 4: not a lot was happening. It was not a lot.

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Speaker 1: What's happening?

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Speaker 4: And then Felicity Hoffman, who was a good friend of

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Speaker 4: some party with Mark Cherry.

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Speaker 1: He has a grotto.

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Speaker 4: There's like a swimming pool, was like a thing, and

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Speaker 4: I was like, I think there was like a charade night.

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Speaker 4: And then I think I got, you know, like a

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Speaker 4: which to me was like really good cast thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was Carrie.

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Speaker 4: Preston was the other sister, Elsbeth.

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Speaker 1: Elth and also was she on True Blood? That is

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Speaker 1: an underrated performance.

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Speaker 4: Carry Preston has been giving underrated performances her whole career,

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Speaker 4: and she's her husband too. They're just so good, so good.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you know what I remember that was like when

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Speaker 4: Colorful women. I just hate Halloween, right, Okay, talk about

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Speaker 4: It's not my time.

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Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it. How do

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Speaker 4: I muscle through it. And I have often worked with

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Speaker 4: it's just like I don't know why it makes me

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Speaker 1: And famously are in a lot of scary ship.

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Speaker 4: I'm in a lot of scary ship. But I'm the

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Speaker 1: Megan, No, none of it. But then you did see weapons.

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Speaker 1: Famous people. Yeah, he's a famous trickster. I didn't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, well, thank god Amy Madigan is being given

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Speaker 1: I thought, Daniel Clulia, Alice Williams and get out that.

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Speaker 1: I think Sinners is going to get a good showing.

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Speaker 4: You're probably right, and yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know I recently I'd be going on the gold Derby.

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Speaker 1: I'd be going on it. I'd be going going and

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Speaker 1: so shockingly high Amy Madigan and the supporting actress, like

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Speaker 4: They're changing, but also I think there's so much respect

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Speaker 4: It's not like blood and guts horror movie. It's more

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Speaker 4: like you got people we like running around like this,

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Speaker 4: you know, and it's like, are you a bird?

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Speaker 2: Are you?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, oh, look, we can

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Speaker 3: It's the only it's true, it's it's it's the first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's always the gay couple that get it.

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Speaker 1: I know, remember it too. No, probably not because I

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Speaker 4: You didn't see that when I didn't see, but you'd

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Speaker 4: Are you like, are you like going for your own

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Speaker 4: you like my friend so and so is up for it?

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Speaker 4: Are they basically I I do remember voting.

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Speaker 1: I always hope for you, but I like, I remember

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Speaker 1: going and the first time I voted for SAG, I

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Speaker 4: Because we're not you know, I don't know how many

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Speaker 4: ballots you've been sent, but they're ones that I'm like,

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Speaker 4: what even is it? Like you know, they're they're big

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Speaker 4: when you get to be a nominator, and it's like,

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Speaker 4: I take this so seriously.

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Speaker 1: I'm like a freak about I never vote.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you're brilliant in something, but like I

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Speaker 4: liked something else better and you're my best friend, I'm

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Speaker 4: still voting for the thing I like because I like

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Speaker 4: that because I just feel like you want to honor

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Speaker 4: the greatness of the performance and not just like your friends.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't.

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Speaker 4: I can't.

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Speaker 1: I watch.

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Speaker 4: I will not vote in a category I have not seen. Y.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just won't do it.

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Speaker 4: I take it very very serious.

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Speaker 1: I want you to look in the eye and vote

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Speaker 1: against him. I did vote against him this year. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was him because he was kind of now.

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Speaker 4: I voted for Adam Scotty. Sorry, I couldn't help it.

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Speaker 4: It was a performance to me that was just of course,

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Speaker 4: I mean, so good. My main think about Halloween.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, but my thing is it's everyone's

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Speaker 3: everyone's on about fast fashion and stuff, right, and it's

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Speaker 3: like the most unsustainable holiday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. It's people where I think once and

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Speaker 1: then throw it out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They the packaging that it comes in, the plastic and

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Speaker 4: the thing, and exactly some dog is suffocating in the

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Speaker 1: You see where I went. I'm sorry, No, it's okay.

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Speaker 1: So it can happen, It can really happen. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that.

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Speaker 5: I just see.

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Speaker 1: The thing is you briefly lived in the macab there

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Speaker 1: as someone who like I, literally you lived in the

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Speaker 1: macab for years. You're all up in the macap.

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Speaker 4: The macap It's a good title, All up in the

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Speaker 4: macab I did live in it.

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Speaker 1: I did live in it. Do that there. I'll never

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Speaker 1: forget the scene of you and Hotel, which is the

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Speaker 1: what happens to mister Greenfield. Oh yeah, yeah, I had

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Speaker 1: to tap out of that. You were watching it?

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Speaker 4: I got to watch it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you do?

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Speaker 4: I might?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was on set for it.

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Speaker 4: I saw it. Whatever you're thinking, it's way, it's like

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Speaker 4: a giant conical dildo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, he gets fucked to death, fuck to.

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Speaker 4: Death, like but with like a like a real drilling.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, Ryan, you're sick.

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Speaker 4: You're sick, but you know I'm here for it. Some

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Speaker 4: of these in my eye. Guys, whatever, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: First of all, macaw or macaber, let's get on the

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Speaker 1: same mac thank you. I mean, I like, well, did

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Speaker 3: We we And I'm like, no, it's just how you're

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Speaker 1: No, We're in Australia.

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Speaker 3: I moved when I was six months old, so you

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Speaker 1: And then we moved to Quebec. Oh, so that kind

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Speaker 3: The French was like spoken the most in my life

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Speaker 4: But you didn't have any sort of like Australian accent.

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Speaker 4: Did you hear that horrible thing?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't good.

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Speaker 4: No, I've got a couple of friends and all we

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Speaker 1: We just love to do it. It's great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah from South Africa, right, I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: Remember no, it's no. I love that when people said no. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: For me, it's never never get old. But somebody taught

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Speaker 1: My on rampant Australian is always oh yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: rise up lights? What are riseplates? You know, like just

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Speaker 4: I was thinking, I don't really get to do that often.

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Speaker 4: a Wig, Mama likes Wig, loves a Wig.

437
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 1: The Marshall Clark of it all, by the way, that

438
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 1: was I'll never forget the Marshall Marshall Marsha episode and

439
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,159
Speaker 1: talk about going to gold Derby. I was like, let

440
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 1: me go on, go to mix mixture that I'm not crazy.

441
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 1: This is at number one for everyone. That was such

442
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 1: a slam dunk, like such a well deserved Emmy win

443
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 1: after you being overdue at that point, and like you,

444
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 1: by the way, we also saw appropriate, You're brilliant, Like

445
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 1: I do want to ask the kim Ka of it

446
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 1: all figures into Yeah, so j Simpson famously did you

447
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 1: touch base with her about that it? You know?

448
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 4: Of course No, I barely talked to Marshall Clark before.

449
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't talk to marsh Clark before we

450
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 4: shot it, So it wasn't until we're like episode six

451
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 4: or seven. I think I'd finished the Marshall Marsha episode

452
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 4: and Ryan's like, if you want to reach out to her,

453
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 4: you can do it now.

454
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: Even No, No, we had a real drunken.

455
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,360
Speaker 4: Night one night after, like I was into episode seven

456
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,400
Speaker 4: or eight of the ten or twelve. I can't remember

457
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 4: how many they were ten, I think, And then that

458
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 4: was that like I saw her mole, like I literally

459
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 4: saw her face through a spinning like evolving door and

460
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 4: I was waiting there and I was like, I was

461
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 4: so entrenched in my love for Marcia Clark at that

462
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 4: time because I was so inside it. And then I

463
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 4: remember like seeing like her walk through the revolving door,

464
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 4: and like I swear to god, there was a glint

465
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 4: of like sparkly sunshine right on the mole and I

466
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 4: was like, holy moly, it was like I had like

467
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 4: a cinematic like slow push in on the mole and

468
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 4: it was like there she is.

469
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: I can't believe you.

470
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 4: No, she didn't, but I was like, I guess I

471
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 4: need to to. Like, yeah, she was really hesitant about

472
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 4: the whole thing. She'd only been like raked through the

473
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 4: coals publicly. So the idea of like a dramatization of

474
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 4: this when nobody writing about it was actually there, the

475
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 4: idea that it was going to be. I kept trying

476
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 4: to say, like this is going to be. I really

477
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 4: think like the angle. I know I can speak about

478
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 4: what the angle is for sure, and I don't think

479
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 4: you'll be upset by this. And she didn't really have

480
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 4: a lot of faith in that. But then I think

481
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 4: obviously at all it all.

482
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 1: I guess it's like why why would anyone who'd been only.

483
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 4: For decades like just you know, were the fault of

484
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 4: losing the you know whatever it was was sort of

485
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 4: laid it at the prosecution's feed and it just was

486
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: a mess. And then just always always you know, poked

487
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 4: fun of and all this stuff, and so anyway, it

488
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 4: just I can't remember what your question was, but it

489
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 4: was gold Derby, Yeah, gold Derby.

490
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: No, but it was about Kim because that was like

491
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: something that I think like Blair did full understand that was.

492
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 4: The Chris was really good friends with Nicole, best friends

493
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: with Nicole, and so that was a real thing.

494
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, MoMA Blair played her.

495
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 4: I can't remember who played the children, but just recently

496
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 4: Kim told me that there were people who played her

497
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 4: on the show, like her played Courtney and Kim I

498
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 4: think him there were. Yeah, And I don't remember that

499
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 4: part because it was a section I wasn't in, so

500
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 4: I paid, you know what I mean, I still haven't

501
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 4: seen it to this day.

502
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 2: Really work.

503
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 4: I had always watched my work before then because I

504
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 4: think I was so still thrilled that, like someone was

505
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 4: letting me do it.

506
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: I was like, look, there I am.

507
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 4: And now I think in particular with that was the

508
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 4: first time where I was so obsessed and like deep

509
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 4: in it that I felt like, if I watch this,

510
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 4: I'm going to see every time she was left handed,

511
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 4: I pick up the pen with the wrong hand, and

512
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 4: oh god, I'm going to see all the things that

513
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 4: are wrong and so. And then when the response was

514
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 4: so robust, I thought, now I'm really not going to

515
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 4: watch it because I don't want to be like, what's

516
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 4: the big.

517
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: Deal, right? Yeah? And you also don't want to you

518
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: don't want to convince yourself of like reality where they're

519
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: all live.

520
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 4: Exactly, which is really something I'm very good at doing.

521
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: I get that.

522
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 4: So I just was like, I don't want to do

523
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 4: that to myself. Why don't you let this one be enjoyable?

524
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and see what you know? That feels like totally you.

525
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: Know, I feel like your work is so perfectly balanced

526
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: between like something that is grounded in reality and something

527
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: that that's actually happened in the world to sixty let's say,

528
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 3: or people us O day. And then it's also the

529
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 3: corollary is like the can't be heightened reality? Well, like

530
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 3: is this a toggle free where you have to like

531
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: sort of change modalities based on.

532
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: What I don't feel?

533
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: Toggly?

534
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 4: I think, And that maybe is why I am able

535
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 4: to do it because the Ryan thing I do think particularly,

536
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: but even in other things I did, I did this

537
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: movie called Run about a you know child that I've

538
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 4: yeah mun child's and where I'm trying to make my

539
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 4: child sake so she'll stay with me, And even that

540
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 4: as a sort of like extreme universe to live in.

541
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: And I think the horror genre in general asks for

542
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 4: a little bit of big swings, and I feel most

543
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 4: comfortable there somehow. And I don't know whether it's because

544
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 4: my mother called me Sarah Bernhardt since I was a

545
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 4: tiny child, and I've always had sort of big reactions

546
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 4: to things that maybe are outsized. That's for my therapist,

547
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 4: not for the both of you.

548
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: But you know, I have I don't know about.

549
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 4: I think I'm a big I have a big, big

550
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: emotional response to things big and small. I think the

551
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 4: register is like it really the pendulum can swing way

552
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 4: way far. There are then most I think, and so

553
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: therefore in that world it doesn't seem off off the

554
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 4: or out of the realm of normal to have whatever

555
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,239
Speaker 4: reaction my character's having, even though an average person might

556
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 4: be like, you're really freaking this is too much. Well,

557
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 4: it's too bad and it's surreal.

558
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: What I love about the horror genre, like on its

559
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: face is you kind of can get away with correct.

560
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: That's the other, that's the other imagination exploded.

561
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 4: That's the dirty little secret to me is like there

562
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 4: are no rules, like when you're playing a real person.

563
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 4: I actually feel most free then because I have all

564
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 4: the boundaries have been set, and then I can do

565
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: whatever I want inside it because I know what the

566
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 4: truth is and I know, like I just there are

567
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: certain facts that are not up for my interpretation. Where

568
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 4: sometimes when you have too much like paint to play with,

569
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 4: you know, if you like, pour all the paint in

570
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 4: the world, like on the ground, you're going to come

571
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 4: up with just some weird, muddy color. It's not specific enough.

572
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: So it's like, if I have too many choices, it

573
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 4: makes my head sort of pop off a little bit

574
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 4: in a way that's not helpful. That's why I'm just like,

575
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 4: let me play all the real I'll be the lady

576
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 4: who plays all the real people till the end of time.

577
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: Nothing would make me happier. That would be amazing. Nothing

578
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: would make me happier, Drea of.

579
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: Saying with Marsha, it was tipping into a zone where

580
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: you're like, I'm going to look at which hand she uses.

581
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: To pack, where how she walked, she was a dancer,

582
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: She had a little bit of a she was always

583
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 4: sort of standing a little bit in first position. There

584
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 4: was so much amazing footage of her, which is which

585
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 4: was rare, which is like her walking into the courtroom,

586
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 4: where like they're just hallway cameras, but you don't you're

587
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: not really thinking about being on camera. Where it's like

588
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: when I played Nicole Wallace, before Nicole Wallace became like

589
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 4: a household name in Game Change, Like there was no

590
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 4: footage of Nicole Wallace not being performanced Nicole Wallace, So

591
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 4: like speaking on Behalf of the White House, whereas I

592
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: could watch stuff also with Linda paparazzi videos and things

593
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: where I could watch her move without her like public

594
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: facing self, and so that was like a real gift

595
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 4: because it was like, oh, I'm seeing what you're doing

596
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 4: without an awareness of a camera, which where can when

597
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 4: can you get that? It's really rare. So it was

598
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 4: very exciting to me to be able to have very

599
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 4: specific things from which to pull from. And then I

600
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 4: felt really free because I knew what the rules were

601
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 4: under the kneear you saw correct, Yeah, scrape that tooth

602
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: enamel off, got all the way down to the gum line,

603
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 4: and I was like, I see what's really here. We've

604
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: got gingavitis, We've got.

605
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: Let's ask the question. Okay, so we've been we've been

606
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of flitting around it. But Sarah Paulsen, what was

607
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say? Culture was? For you?

608
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I love your answer.

609
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: Well, for me, it was the VHS of Oscar's Greatest

610
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 4: Moments nineteen seventy one to nineteen ninety one.

611
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: This is a VHS.

612
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: It cannot be purchased or gotten in any other way.

613
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: And I had this. I still have this VHS.

614
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 4: And Billy Eichner actually also was obsessed with this, and

615
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 4: when we had a conversation one day, our heads were

616
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 4: both like, I didn't think anybody else really knew about this,

617
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 4: and he had it transferred to a disc so.

618
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: That then I don't know how I would do it.

619
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 4: Pursed it, but like as a present, like a rat

620
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 4: present when we were finished with the course or something.

621
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: But this is something like I watched so much that

622
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 4: it was like how I learned about like Sashing Little

623
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 4: Feather and the novel and the nwdest streaking across you know,

624
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: the stage when Elizabeth Taylor was trying to you know,

625
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: watching every Academy Award win and every sort of like

626
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 4: show opener and Liza Dance. It was like, I don't

627
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: think I knew who Liza Minelli was before I watched

628
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: this when I was like fourteen or whatever, and I was,

629
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 4: but I just over and over and over again, and

630
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: I can memorize people's speeches and Ruth Gordon's speech, and

631
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: like it was like it was like somehow having a living,

632
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 4: breathing encyclopedia of pop culture moments that meant something to

633
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 4: me obviously because of my dreams and fantasies and hopes

634
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 4: of like one day standing there with that hot little guy,

635
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: tight ass in my hand, golden man in my hand. Yeah,

636
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 4: that it was just like getting to see it all

637
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: but it was all just right there. It was like

638
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 4: having a computer before you could have a computer. It's

639
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 4: like being able to google every little moment about and

640
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 4: what people were wearing. So it was like a mixture

641
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: of the fashion influx, cultural fashion moments, mixed with like

642
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 4: political statements that were being made, mixed with like the

643
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 4: performers of the day, and also sort of recognizing that

644
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: like the world was, the performing world was so much

645
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 4: smaller back then. It was the same actors over and

646
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: over and over again getting nominated in the same It

647
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: was just there was not this saturation of the marketplace,

648
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 4: and so like there were these ten spectacular actors and

649
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 4: these ten spectacular actresses and these ten filmmakers, and it's

650
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: like things tended to be kind of uniformly excellent and

651
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 4: in that time period. And they don't make some of

652
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 4: those movies anymore. But it was a real like I

653
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 4: remember just buying that, like purchasing that at the video store.

654
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 4: I think I rented it and then I went and

655
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Speaker 4: found it.

656
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: And bought it. And what did you buy it? Do

657
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: you remember Brooklyn?

658
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: In Brooklyn where I lived, Yeah, And it was just

659
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: like in the VCR and it was just like on repeat, repeat, repeat,

660
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 4: And I do think, even as I'm talking to about

661
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: it now, like just the Bob mackey of it all

662
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: and the different there was just like the share of

663
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 4: the Share. One of the greatest things that my best

664
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: friend and I, Amanda Pete, are always saying. She does

665
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 4: this whole bit where she comes out in her like

666
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: early early acting moment. I don't I think it might.

667
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: Maybe it was two times that are on this bit.

668
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: You one of them where she comes out and she's

669
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: bringing up the reading list of nominees and I can't

670
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 4: remember who she's standing with, but her line she has

671
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 4: to say, Marvin Hamill, I'm going to mess it up,

672
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 4: Marvin Hamlish, and she cannot and she says Marvin hamil Schmish,

673
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: Marvin ham Schmish, hamil Schmisch, and then she goes sorry Marvin,

674
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: and it's like the funniest most like she's so charming

675
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 4: and so relaxed. And then another time she comes out

676
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 4: in a giant headdress after she won. I think she said,

677
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: as you can see, I got the Academy handbook on

678
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: how to dress like a serious actress. And I just

679
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 4: was like, but it's like I got to see, like

680
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: early day Share, there's Bette Miller making fun of the

681
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 4: way someone is. Too many people are nominated for like

682
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 4: one like there were four songwriters she's like also known

683
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: as four.

684
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 1: On a song, and it was just like, I mean

685
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I just remember all these like really, oh yeah for.

686
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Speaker 4: Moon in what's the song in New York City when

687
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 4: you get lost with the Moon in New York City?

688
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 4: The best? Yeah, this is all and love Yeah that's

689
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: all from Arthur Arger statement. She's just like out there

690
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: doing her bits, and it's just like I was just

691
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: like over it was like a tsunami of information. Yeah,

692
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: fashion you feel like encyclopedic, and I was just like

693
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 4: having this knowledge of stuff that like none of my

694
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: friends knew what I was talking about.

695
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: We share that because are we We got really into

696
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: I believe for us it was ninety seven. So there

697
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: was the Titanic, Oscars Crystal.

698
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: That Billy Crystal and it comes out he's like boop

699
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 4: boop and does his thing. He comes off on a

700
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 4: whose he comes out on a horse, and he comes

701
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: out on a horse and then he does the thing

702
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 4: where he turns it off with cars.

703
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Good was the Academy putting this compilation? Now?

704
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: Like who was? I think it's possible that the Academy

705
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: put it out, but I'm not one hundred percent sure,

706
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: but I sure can let you know.

707
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: Because the thing is, as you're describing this, it's like sure,

708
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: like anyone can look up on YouTube like these moments

709
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: that you need something, somebody.

710
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: Curating it exactly, and it is curated so and it

711
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 4: just goes through and you see everybody's clothing. I mean,

712
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 4: I remember having a conversation once with Jessica Lang about

713
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 4: the Oscars and fashion at the office, and she said,

714
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 4: we used to just whomever was doing my costumes on

715
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: that movie, we would maybe go to the Saxpith Avenue

716
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: and we found a dress like that happened once and

717
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: another time it was you know, it's like what it

718
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 4: has become. And you can see when you watch this

719
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: compilation of like somebody just pulling some Holston number out

720
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 4: or Holston coming up with I mean, it just it's

721
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 4: just unbelievable to see the way it changes.

722
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, bet Miler just said that I'm watching What Happens

723
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: Live because he was. He was asking her about her

724
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: nomination for the Rose and she was like, well, I

725
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: mean this is back in the day when like you

726
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: did just think about what you were literally she went,

727
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: she was like, I think that was my dress that

728
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: I still have exactly I went. It was all very

729
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: new to me. I didn't get the gravity of what

730
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: it was to be nominated. I enjoyed it, but it's

731
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: just not the industry.

732
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Speaker 4: And Katon drove herself to the Academy Awards, you know,

733
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 4: it was like that the year she won. Yeah, like

734
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: parked your car under the Dorothy Chandler pavilion. Wow, It's

735
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: just like it's just not it's just such a different

736
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: thing now. It's there was such a purity to it

737
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 4: that my initial love. I'm pleased for my elf that

738
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 4: I was alive during at a time where I could

739
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: have had that experience of watching this in a kind

740
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 4: of pure way where now it's I'm not saying it

741
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: would suck to win an Oscar now at all.

742
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I have information about what.

743
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 4: It was and what it was for people, and the

744
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 4: importance and the sort of I mean, the first Academy

745
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 4: Awards that were handed out was just like in a room.

746
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 4: It wasn't televised and it was like a banquet. It

747
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: was just and now it's become this like gold Derby race,

748
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And like it's.

749
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Wild, Well, this is what I want to say.

750
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: Like there was someone on Subway Takes recently was like,

751
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: my take is like if you have a stylist, that

752
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: means you're not a stylish person. I'm like, well no,

753
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: and then I think I think I said that some

754
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: some some cool fashion okay, And then and then it

755
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: was it was one hundred percent agree. It was just like, oh,

756
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: but yes, but I see what you're trying to say.

757
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: But the fact is this is just like another element

758
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: in this whole totally similest thing that we have with

759
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: awards now.

760
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 4: And also back then there were fewer things to like,

761
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 4: fewer ways to express like you. Maybe I could say

762
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 4: that that might have been true twenty or thirty years ago,

763
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 4: but now there is there's too much stuff, legit, there's

764
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 4: just like too much.

765
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like how would you even know where.

766
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 4: To begin unless you're a Kim and you go back

767
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 4: through all the archives and you pull it and like

768
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 4: then she does these things where I'm like, what is

769
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 4: this dress? And she's like nineteen ninety four Galiano and

770
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I'm wearing New Selene.

771
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: But I congrats, you know what I mean, Like, how

772
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: do you feel though about like the six month or

773
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: seven month Oscar race now, like how I wonder like

774
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: as someone who loves it because we love talking about

775
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: this a lot.

776
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: Like I'm a person who like remember it from pre

777
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: Premier magazine, used to be able to pull out like

778
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 4: baller movie line magazine, Premier Magazine, remember that you like

779
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 4: pull out ballots and like, I just love it.

780
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: I love it.

781
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm one of those people. This is off topic,

782
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 4: but I'll get back to your thing, which is I

783
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: don't want you to talk to me at the Oscars party,

784
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: like when I'm watching, have you.

785
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: Been to that yet? I want we were there last year, so.

786
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 4: You go to sometimes to the Vanity Fair dinner, which

787
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: I've been too many times. It is a real honor

788
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 4: to be there.

789
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: I love it.

790
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 4: You're with all these incredible people, but people are talking,

791
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: maybe talking, and I'm one of those people who's just

792
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 4: like I really I care a lot about it about it.

793
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: We're finish line and we're waiting for Best Actress and

794
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 4: they're making us go crazy and it's just like I am,

795
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: you know, the crazy person who does not want to

796
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: be talked to during an awards ceremony.

797
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: I want to watch it.

798
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 4: People are like, oh, are you bummed You're not going.

799
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, hell no, I'm in my pajamas. There's

800
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 4: coming over after, We're going to go to the party after.

801
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: But I just want to watch anyway. The six month

802
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 4: run to me is arduous and also I think sometimes

803
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 4: like I'm not going to say who who, but I

804
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: have friends who have gone through this, all of it

805
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 4: and have had like just the just like the thing

806
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: where you have these hopes, these little twinkly dreams and

807
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: hopes that then get dashed because someone has entered the

808
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: race that wasn't expected it's now won the National Board

809
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: of Review and does this weeken your chances?

810
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: Because and it's just like sports.

811
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 4: It's like sports now where you're like, well she won

812
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 4: all five things leading up to the owes of her losing.

813
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: It is just really and then you've got it. Just

814
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: it just puts everything. Holland Taylor, whom I love obviously

815
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 4: very much, who's my partner in life and things in

816
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: all things that matter to me, is always talking about

817
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 4: like why are we doing this to each other?

818
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: Because it's so subjective.

819
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: What is the greatest and why are you turning it

820
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: into this thing of this is better than that, all

821
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: of the things that go into what make a great performance,

822
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: Like there's so many variables from the actors you're working with,

823
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 4: to your editors, to the you know, the movie itself,

824
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 4: whether it lands for people. You can be the greatest

825
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: performance in a movie. If the movie doesn't work, does

826
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 4: that ruin your chances? It's like it's such a really

827
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 4: psychotic thing to do to little fragile people, like performers,

828
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: like little artists, performers.

829
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Not necessarily cut out for the work, the component of it.

830
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: And I went through this during the Tonys, which to

831
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: me was the most arduous of them that I had

832
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 4: ever been fortunate enough to experience, because you're actually doing

833
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 4: the show yow while it's happening, and then like, you know,

834
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 4: your stage manager will sweetly say we had ten voters

835
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 4: in tonight, like after you're done, and you're like, oh, fuck,

836
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 4: like and you're like and then you know exactly, but

837
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 4: act too, and I'm like, why are you telling you? Like,

838
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: and you then start to like figure out whether or

839
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 4: not you thought your performance that was like every like

840
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 4: as you get towards the end of your run, you're like,

841
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 4: you only have twenty performances left, and like it gets

842
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 4: sort of stolen from you with the worry and the

843
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 4: fear that you had an off night or something that

844
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: just maybe didn't quite land or the audience was quieter,

845
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 4: and did that mean that they weren't as into it?

846
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 4: And yeah, it just like and then you're like out

847
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: there in the morning doing your like good morning Americas,

848
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: and you're talking to all the people and it's it's

849
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 4: just you've been on vocal rest normally while you were

850
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: doing your place time and now you're out there. Now

851
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 4: you're on pounds of steroids and you're campaigning. And as

852
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 4: much as I was happy to do it, because I was,

853
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: truly it was like the seven year old and me

854
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: was like, I can't believe this is happening to me,

855
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 4: it still was also like woh, like, and then I

856
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: also had to deal with my hunger. It made the

857
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 4: hunger worse, and I think it's so made it worse.

858
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: Oh. I wanted it, and I wanted it very bad

859
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: and honestly, and I was gonna say like sometimes I

860
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: feel like for both your Emmy win and your Tony win,

861
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: you were the front runner, I know because of gold Derby.

862
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: We were aware, but but this is a big part

863
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: of life, that's true. Got me aspirational about all of

864
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: this is like and it felt like going to that

865
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: site you could be a part of it. And so

866
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: when they make you the front runner, that feels like

867
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: almost more pressure.

868
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 4: I've been the front runner on that Gold Derby and

869
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 4: not it's not and I've not won. That's happened a

870
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: couple of times actually, but you know, so you kind

871
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: of have to take it all over it. But it

872
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 4: does it does make It's like to me, it's like

873
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 4: you're a horse at a race and even running the

874
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 4: same race, and you know you're doing what you're doing,

875
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden they put like a carrot

876
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: in front of you, and then they just keep moving

877
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 4: it further and further away. But like you're getting closer

878
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: and closer, and all of a sudden, you're so hungry,

879
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: you're like, if you don't get me that cart, you die.

880
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even know I didn't know that it

881
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: was there.

882
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 4: I know that I know it's there now I really

883
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 4: wanted you know it's it Just it's so funny where

884
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, it's the possibility of it makes

885
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 4: you you absolutely have to have it. It sucks up

886
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: your expectation.

887
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: And then he's been nominated five times. Well my god.

888
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: The thing about you've won, I never want one. But

889
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: the horses. The horse doesn't know, the.

890
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 4: Horse doesn't know, the horse has no idea when the

891
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 4: horse doesn't know what the race is and the horse

892
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: is just running it.

893
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: But you're now atop the horse. Well we know what

894
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: we know the horse.

895
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: You know the horse, and you were just the horse.

896
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 4: But now you're riding on top of the horse. And

897
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: now you're like, come on, you can do it.

898
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: And it's like I'm just I just want to run

899
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: the race.

900
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 4: And you're like, but look at this this hoe back here,

901
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 4: she's coming up on my Yeah, and I gotta we

902
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 4: got to keep going. And then it puts this whole

903
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: little thing of competitiveness around it.

904
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: It's just not natural.

905
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 4: I've had some friends of mine who have been.

906
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: Like, oh, it turned dark, turned dark, It can turn

907
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: dark our friend, your friend.

908
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: I think Kate Blenche was on this podcast and she

909
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: like made some pendless because she just expressed something very

910
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: similar to this.

911
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: You're just like, I think what if we did it

912
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: where it was just like no cameras around, and then

913
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: a whole story.

914
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: It's like, oh no, don't even this is this is

915
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: like someone who has been celebrated by this contraption. Yes,

916
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: and it's like she must be coming from a place

917
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: of knowledge about this.

918
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 4: Yes, it's really I think it just puts a tiny

919
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: bit of and I can just hear like people a

920
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 4: bit groaning, being like, oh so crime me a river.

921
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: But it's like there's something about an artistic pursuit that

922
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 4: is worth celebrating the pursuit, Like the pursuit is all

923
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 4: and then when you start putting these other things on it,

924
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 4: it starts to become too heavy. Where's it's whatever that

925
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: phrase heavy as the head that wears a crown? And

926
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 4: it's just like you want so much to not care,

927
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 4: and then if you do care, you care too much,

928
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 4: and that it just becomes this dizzying, vulnerable making thing

929
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 4: that I think we should normalize a little bit where

930
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 4: people are just like are you excited and you're like,

931
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 4: I'm scared, I'm hungry, I'm in his stress all the time.

932
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: I really want it.

933
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: I feel like I look old and fat and tired,

934
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 4: and you know, it just it's a whole thing.

935
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: We were sitting in that room and and we loved

936
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: Mikey out of than an Anora. But to me, Moore lost.

937
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: It was kind of just like the air lest I

938
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: remember feeling like I wish we hadn't done I know.

939
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: I remember being in the audience when Olivia Coleman one

940
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: the year of Glenn Close and Olivia Blemon thing, and

941
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 4: there was an audible sound in the audience and it

942
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 4: was cle weren't excited about Olyvia Coleman because it's one

943
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 4: of the great performances of all time, the favorite. But

944
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 4: I think this expectation was Glenn was finally going to

945
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: get her oscar, and it was six months of this

946
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: and then there she was in this gold guy. It

947
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: was just incredible. And then it was like like there

948
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 4: was a there was a sound, and I remember being like, oh,

949
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: I can't idle this.

950
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: This is just no.

951
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: It was hard, and you know, I it's just there's

952
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 4: something about it that at the same time, I'm like,

953
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: I can't wait to campaign for one.

954
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. That would mean that I was like

955
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: in a movie. I was proud of an excited I

956
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: remember you had deserved buzz for I think twelve years

957
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: of a slave for Carol. You've been in great films,

958
00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean in some great movies. Yeah, yeah, What do

959
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: you think is because probably nowadays it's a little bit

960
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: different than it was obviously, But is it directors that

961
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: drive you because you're in a little ensembles too, Yeah.

962
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 4: I mean I think the truth is, like I wish

963
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: I could pretend that I was the architect of my

964
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: career in a way, Like I don't know about you guys,

965
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 4: that I often feel like I just sometimes say yes

966
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 4: to something that speaks to me, but I'm not always.

967
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 4: I've had conversations with Kate about like she is really

968
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 4: thinking about her director and she really and I do sometimes,

969
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 4: but like I'm mostly just so excited that someone wants

970
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 4: me to be there that if it's something I think

971
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: I can, I mean, I will say. The one thing

972
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 4: that I think really drives me is actually the level

973
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 4: of terror I have about my ability to do it

974
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: and if I want to yes, And the more terrified

975
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 4: I am to do it, the more likely I am

976
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: to say yes. But there's more like hemming and hawing beforehand,

977
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 4: and fear is a big motivator for me to do it,

978
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: And it's surprising to me because I'm a little bit

979
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: of a nervous Nelly. I would say it's weird, weird

980
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: for me to be saying that's.

981
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: Fear in you reading what's on the page and what

982
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: is happening in the script makes you nervous. Or is

983
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: the fear in that you're reading it and you don't

984
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: get it at first? No, it's my fear is that,

985
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: like is what I think it is?

986
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 4: What it is?

987
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: Got it?

988
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 4: It's like a combination of like, intellectually, am I is

989
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: this hitting words?

990
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: Am I? Do I get what is desired here? Do

991
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: I know what to do?

992
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I think about this all the time.

993
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 4: I haven't auditioned for something in a very very long time,

994
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 4: and I miss it because when you walk on a

995
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: set for a job you've auditioned for, you know that

996
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: you were there because what you did for this very

997
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 4: thing was the thing that they decided they want. So

998
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 4: you don't walk on and going, oh God, they asked

999
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 4: me to be here because of my Marshall Clark performance

1000
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 4: and this is a different piece, and or they want

1001
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 4: me here because of some other thing they saw, and

1002
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: so then I end up going I don't know if

1003
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 4: they know what and who it is and if my

1004
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 4: take on it is right. I love that feeling of

1005
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 4: knowing I've earned a job based on what I did

1006
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 4: for that specific job, and then I feel more confident

1007
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 4: start the day. Otherwise it feels really I don't know,

1008
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 4: I just it. It ratchets up my terror of failing

1009
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 4: when I have not earned it, but it might like of.

1010
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: Course you know, and then I have because this is

1011
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: the thing that I've expressed to let's say, my team,

1012
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: and they're just like, oh, yeah, sure, I'm like I

1013
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: would love to do like please don't ever tell anyone

1014
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: that I don't a like I don't read for stuff

1015
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: orud love to read for something. And they're like, yeah,

1016
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: h yeah, whatever still happened in a while, Yeah, And

1017
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: I almost kind of want to do it for this

1018
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: exact reason. But have you has this been a thing

1019
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: that you've talked about with your people where it's like

1020
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: they're like, no, but Sarah, like I did.

1021
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 4: Say it recently, I feel like but on some level now,

1022
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 4: the other part is like everything's happening on zoom. So

1023
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: it's like I think about the number of jobs that

1024
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 4: I got in my early career, which were not many,

1025
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 4: but when I got them it was because of my

1026
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: experience in the room and a director going could you

1027
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 4: try this? And then I did try it and they

1028
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 4: either liked it or whatever, but like or my little

1029
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 4: banter with them as I was leaving the room or

1030
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 4: whatever it was. It happened because a personal connection in

1031
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: the room, some sort of thing of and I remember

1032
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: how you collaborated. I remember auditioning for The Goldfinch, which

1033
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: was a movie nobody saw but one of my favorite books,

1034
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 4: and I got the job, but the director wouldn't cast

1035
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: me until we had a FaceTime. We were supposed to

1036
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 4: see ech other in person, but we couldn't because he

1037
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: was like, I don't have people on my set I've

1038
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 4: never like sat down and had a conversation with because

1039
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 4: what if that's a vibe where it's.

1040
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: Like not going to be great for.

1041
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 4: The myriad of reasons, but like that that that was

1042
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 4: the last time I auditioned and the last time I

1043
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: had an experience where a director was like, it's important

1044
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 4: to me to have actual contact with you before you're

1045
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 4: on my set, just in case, you know, who knows

1046
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: what all.

1047
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: It makes a lot of spunks to me, Yeah, you

1048
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: have to. I think the most important thing that you

1049
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: realize once you start working more is that people just

1050
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: get it and we can move on. So taking a

1051
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: note and applying it quickly is one of the most.

1052
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 4: It's one of the and it's how you can tell

1053
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 4: that a person can move quickly and think quickly, right,

1054
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 4: because that's what you need on a set where you're

1055
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: doing you know, especially television, like you're doing ten pages

1056
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 4: of dialogue in a day.

1057
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why the self tapes of it all. I

1058
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: just think I don't get how anybody gets a job.

1059
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 4: I don't know how anybody gets a job. I'm just like,

1060
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 4: the self tape thing is a nightmare.

1061
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.

1062
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever met anyone who liked to

1063
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: listen to the sound of their voice, like on a

1064
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: voice memo or on a recording of any kind of

1065
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: hard and then just take your face, blow it up

1066
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 4: on the thing, and then be like.

1067
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: Deal with it, just really like yep, yeah, always like that.

1068
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: It's all I want to.

1069
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 4: Do is just a little dose of Nissi Nash, who

1070
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 4: just is like I look great and you're like you

1071
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: do and you do but she's goddamn right, yeah, And

1072
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, just touch me a little bit, just let

1073
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: some of it rub off on me.

1074
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: Renaissance.

1075
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 4: Renaissance Getting on was one of them. Did you guys

1076
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 4: can a person do to get getting on back on

1077
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 4: the air with Lauri Megach with the greatest, the greatest

1078
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 4: actress in the world to make and Lauria Metcalff just

1079
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 4: get it back now.

1080
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: Forstein, I mean so good.

1081
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I think TikTok was was kind of having

1082
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: fun with the whole like when like they're trying to

1083
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: they're talking to the transit getting on, like was what.

1084
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: Happened right before all three of them like cracked off

1085
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: again because that was right before Lady Bird, it was

1086
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: before before, and then niss In everything everything that's right,

1087
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Speaker 1: Dahmer winning the Emmy, all of it, all of it.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite Oscar Win? Oh? A favorite?

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Speaker 3: It's a big, big question that I do. Oh, I

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Speaker 3: got I've got one that is yours. Mine is a

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Speaker 3: little basic, but it's really Robert Ay Brockovich.

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Speaker 1: That's just one of my.

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00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: Favorite star performance, big movie star performance. But it's a

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00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: grounded soda bird thing, Like I just like that It

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00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: just that she won for it. She won for it

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Speaker 3: after all of her stuff.

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Speaker 1: God, I'm going to share this one because it caught

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Speaker 1: me by surprise, but I loved it at the time.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't believe they voted for that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm obsessed that they did. Was till the Swinton

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Speaker 1: and Michael Clayton.

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Speaker 4: That one for Michael Clayton, That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember at the end of that moment, but

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Speaker 1: he's walking away from here because he's told her like

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00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: I got you, and she just from collapses. I was like,

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Speaker 1: uh huh Hill the Swin Yeah, God, Jones in Chicago

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00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: because it's so performance. I just love a music. I

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00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: love when a musical comes through.

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Speaker 4: I guess I'm gonna say Jessica Lang in Tootsie because

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Speaker 4: it is an extraordinarily special performance and she should have

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Speaker 4: won for Francis. Yeah, Now, you can't beat Meryl Streep

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Speaker 4: and Sophie's choice.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not.

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Speaker 4: That was the same year, so Jessica was nominated.

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Speaker 1: I think is it possible?

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00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 4: Wait, Jessica was Jessica nominated for two Academy Awards in

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00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 4: the same year.

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Speaker 1: I think she may have been one of those, Meryl

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Speaker 1: Streep won for Sophie's Choice, and the other nominees this

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Speaker 1: is good. Jessica Lang, Francis Sissy Space like missing, Debora

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Speaker 1: Winger officer and a gentleman, and Julia Andrews Victor Victoria.

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Speaker 4: Right, and did Jessica win for TUTSI that same year

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Speaker 4: for Supporting Actions.

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Speaker 1: Let's look nineteen eighty two. This award was just so

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Speaker 1: I write about this like my Oscar Oh, I think

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Speaker 1: I have Yeah, you guys have the same. I got

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00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: it there, got it in there.

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Speaker 4: And Jessica Lang, I think the reason I think that

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Speaker 4: performance is so underrated and I mean she wanted to

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Speaker 4: ask her so not that underrated, but like in terms

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Speaker 4: of like why people don't necessarily know it's just playing

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Speaker 4: the girl in a movie like that with Dustin Hoffman

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Speaker 4: being an absolute like next level genius, and to have

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Speaker 4: this sparkly she was so sparkly and just like but

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Speaker 4: it was also the juxtaposition of that performance with Francis,

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00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 4: which her performance in Francis is one of the for me, unparalleled.

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Speaker 4: I think it's really it's and Kim Stanley, Kim Stanley,

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Speaker 4: who is my favorite actress of all time, who played.

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Speaker 1: Her mother in that movie.

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Speaker 4: Kim Stanley was my wallpaper on my phone for a

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Speaker 4: very long time. And there's a very great book called

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Speaker 4: The Female Brando about Kim Stanley. She's really extraordinary. She

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00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 4: did so few movies, but she did a lot of

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Speaker 4: stuff on stage. She's member. She calls her little sister

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Speaker 4: in that movie, she's her mother. I mean, it's really

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Speaker 4: I've never seen you got to get it. I mean,

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00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 4: just let's please watch it in the next time I

1148
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 4: see you. Just tell me that you know what I'm

1149
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 4: telling you, you will quiz your ass because it's really

1150
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 4: some of the best acting ever.

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Speaker 1: Also, they make so few movies like that now, so

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Speaker 1: after right after you, Jennifer Lawrence is coming in and

1153
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: we just watched diniahil Oh.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to see it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like it's Woman under the Influence. That's performance.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's one of those things that's just like, oh,

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00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 4: like who won over Genna Rolands for Women under the Influence?

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Speaker 1: Seventy four.

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Speaker 4: That's the year was born.

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Speaker 1: So who wanted that was? Al doesn't live here anymore?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to say something really unpopular that was

1162
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Speaker 4: incorrect and that.

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Speaker 1: Was the year after she had lost for the Extorsist.

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Speaker 4: She was excellent in both movies. She was beyond excellent

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Speaker 4: in Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore. Nobody could be better.

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Speaker 4: She's an extraordinary actress. Genna Roland's performance in a Woman

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Speaker 4: under the Influence is just like somebody walking a tightrope

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Speaker 4: one thousand miles above sea level. It's just not it's

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Speaker 4: not normal. It's it's an it's I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 4: saying that Ellen Burston shouldn't have won an Oscar.

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Speaker 1: I mean, am I going to go to jail?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

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00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: Decades later she would deserve it for Requiem Beyond the

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Speaker 1: Pale and did not get it right, did not get

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Speaker 1: it was was she nominated? She was, she was nominated.

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Speaker 1: But I believe that was the year of Helen Hunt.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, wait see this? Wow? So this is when

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00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: it gets so crazy.

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Speaker 4: That's so And this is why Hollins point is to

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Speaker 4: be really really taken. How can someone measure that Alice

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00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: Doesn't Live Here his performance is better than this performance,

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Speaker 4: and that that Ellen Burston in Requiem does not best

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Speaker 4: Helen Hunt.

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Speaker 1: In my Ellen Burston lost to Julia Roberts for Aaron Rockovich.

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Speaker 1: This was two thousand. Well they cut her in lead,

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Speaker 1: they did. I think it was the Ellen Burston of

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Speaker 1: it all that made her push and she should have

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00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: been supporting and she would have. Does category fraud drive

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Speaker 1: you crazy?

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Speaker 5: It does?

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00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 4: But I feel like I've committed it. I feel like

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Speaker 4: on Horror Story once it's not my fault. It gets decided.

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Speaker 4: I think there were sometimes I was put in lead

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00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 4: because I technically qualified to be in it. Yeah, because

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Speaker 4: maybe the supporting actor category is gonna be too crowded,

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Speaker 4: so someone at the studio made a decision to put

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Speaker 4: me in.

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Speaker 1: The other one.

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Speaker 4: And then I did get nominated in that category, and

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Speaker 4: I think it was the right thing. But but I

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00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: don't like what's the word? What's the most egregious version

1202
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 4: of category?

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00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: And you know what's weird? In a reverse way? Anthony

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00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: Hopkins is only in Sounds of the Lamps for a

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00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: little bit over ten minutes and one best Actor whoa yeah,

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00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: because that movie is all Jodie Foster. Yeah, she won too, right,

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Speaker 1: It is what it is. I understand why it happens.

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Speaker 4: I understand why it happens too, But it's just this

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00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: is why we should just abolish it all. Why just

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00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: like I have a party, everybody's nominated, you all get

1211
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 4: your certificate. Everbody should get a statue.

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Speaker 1: Exactly thank you, because I do agree it's getting weird,

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00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: especially like when the Golden Globes or whatever. But like

1214
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: the comedy drama placements, like some of the Emmys, it's like, okay,

1215
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: some of these things that go cold comedies, it's like

1216
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: so silly. I almost feel like everyone shows up to

1217
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: the awards and it's surprise, Yes, like five awards.

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00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

1219
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's I think that's really true.

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Speaker 4: Like something should change.

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Speaker 1: This is why we have our fake goofy fun Awards show,

1222
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: which I wanted to go to this last year but

1223
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: I was out of town. But I wanted to go.

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Speaker 3: Desperately, really want to if we if we have our drothers,

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Speaker 3: we do it as many years as a lot us, And.

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Speaker 4: Why wouldn't they let you do it again and again?

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Speaker 4: Wasn't it a delicious sn.

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Speaker 1: We you know how it is. But basically like we

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00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: when we were reaching out to people for the Cultural Awards,

1230
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: we didn't know who was actually out of town or

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Speaker 1: who was like.

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Speaker 5: Been there perc next year allegedly next year. Anyway, You're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think we've actually gotten this is helpful

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Speaker 3: information because I think when he was here, I'm talking

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Speaker 3: about this like, of course the nuance got taken out

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Speaker 3: of it for the headline.

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00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: But I think this like, let's please y'all e w's

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00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 1: and ET's of the world.

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00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: Let's just really like, let's rein it in, do this

1240
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: conversation justice, you know what I mean, it's right because

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Speaker 3: we care.

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Speaker 1: Don't because we care about it.

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Speaker 4: That's because it's just because it matters. It doesn't matter

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00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 4: to me in the sense that like little me watched

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00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 4: the Tony Awards, watch the Oscars, watch the Emmys like

1246
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 4: I watched them, like was obsessed with them and planned

1247
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 4: out political and mapped out.

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Speaker 1: And you want to know why we have Viola Davis

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Speaker 1: today being a lead actress because she was nominated for

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Speaker 1: Doubt because there was room for her supporting category that

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Speaker 1: allowed nine minute performance that was that outstanding to be nominated.

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00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: And so now she is the powerhouse Violo Davis that

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Speaker 1: we have because she was an Oscar nominous.

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Speaker 4: I have a whole thing that I want to do

1255
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Speaker 4: with petitioning SAG about this because I really feel there

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00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 4: should be that the SAG Awards in particular, they do everything.

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Speaker 4: Everybody goes into one category, so swodding actors are in

1258
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 4: the leading like you can't but why lump in? It's like,

1259
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Speaker 4: so all the supporting actors like there there is nothing.

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Speaker 4: It's like the buttress of a building. It's like the

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00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: building cannot stand without It's like you need all of it.

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Speaker 4: And I just feel like there's a real diminishment of

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Speaker 4: a supporting actor by way of not giving like space room,

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00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 4: an opportunity, and also the career change that it can affect.

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Speaker 4: If all of a sudden, you're you give a nine

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00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 4: minute performance in something that is outstanding, and then you

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00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 4: find yourself in the same conversation with these actors who

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Speaker 4: have been around forever and who you all of a

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00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: sudden are have an opportunity to make a better living.

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Speaker 4: You get more opportunity. It's just about the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: So it's like and then when within fifteen years you

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00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: fully egot that's right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: If you're Viola, if you're Viola Davis.

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Speaker 1: Which there are so yeah, there are so many talented

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00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: people out there like that deserve the supporting stuff drives

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Speaker 1: me notes because I'm like, that's where the character actors

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Speaker 1: get there. That's why sometimes the best work has happened

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Speaker 1: one great every time I do just before we go,

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Speaker 1: want to you connect you guys on the Studio sixth

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Speaker 1: the NSNL. Oh, yeah, because that was such an incredible

1281
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Speaker 1: show and undersung show, and your performance in that I

1282
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 1: think really put you on the map in six seen ways,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it did, except for yeah, I think a lot

1285
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 4: of people didn't think I was funny on it, which

1286
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 4: is what was a drama.

1287
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: But it was a dramedy.

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Speaker 4: And also like Aaron wasn't, Like didn't Aaron who is

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00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 4: Aaron Sorkin who is a genius, but like didn't have

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Speaker 4: any writers there doing any like sketch writing.

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Speaker 1: He was doing all of it.

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Speaker 4: So like based on like some of the things I

1293
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 4: did in my audition were like I imitated this person

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00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 4: and I imitated that person, and I could do my

1295
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 4: impressions and things, but like it wasn't it just didn't

1296
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Speaker 4: really become about that, you know. But like also every

1297
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: single time my character came on screen, it was like

1298
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Speaker 4: somebody was talking about how this like I was the

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Speaker 4: Kristin Wig of the show, like the World's you know,

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Speaker 4: guild rest.

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Speaker 1: One, and then like they never gave me these guests

1302
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: to do, and then like we.

1303
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 5: Were like meal sketch dramatic before exactly and they're like,

1304
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 5: what is this?

1305
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 4: But you know, I was really playing Kristin Chennai. Yeah,

1306
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 4: oh is Aaron Sorkin's yes love at the time, and

1307
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 4: so like that was it's you know, yeah, it was

1308
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 4: just a so she was conservative, and then Matthew Perry

1309
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 4: was playing the sort of Aaron character and it was

1310
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 4: just really and I thought that show was going to

1311
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 4: last for ever. It was because it was right after Friends,

1312
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 4: right after the West Wing, and it was like, well,

1313
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 4: look at me walking up to this right in this moment.

1314
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 4: And then sure enough, yeah, nobody cared what you did?

1315
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 4: You move to LA After I moved to LA in

1316
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight Chic Great Year, it seems like nineteen

1317
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 4: eighty eight, nineteen ninety eight, ninety eight, ninety eight, I think.

1318
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 3: Hollo, yeah, but it's like I kind of missed like

1319
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: back in the day, like when we were coming up.

1320
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, like pilot seasons Pilot season one and

1321
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: a half in and then it died. Oh yeah, because

1322
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: I moved out there what twenty eighteen.

1323
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, we were still Pilot season serious and like

1324
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 4: seeing all the same girls an audition and like going

1325
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 4: into like I remember when I went to test for

1326
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 4: Down with Love, this movie I did with Oh Yes, Yes,

1327
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 4: and it was like Tina fey Me and Alison jan

1328
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 4: and Courtney. It was just like and like pulling up

1329
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 4: and seeing so and so walked to their car and

1330
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: Zach Braff was in there reading with a bunch of people,

1331
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 4: and then this one came in to read with this

1332
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 4: one and it was just like it was. It was like, oh,

1333
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 4: it was a very different thing and they were mixing

1334
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 4: and matching and putting different people and it was a

1335
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 4: whole thing where you would like be confronted with your

1336
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 4: competition and you learn a lot, and you know, I

1337
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 4: remember testing for a pilot against Hillary Swank, like, oh yeah,

1338
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 4: it was like a real There was like a sea

1339
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 4: of us and now like we never you never see

1340
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 4: everybody anymore except for like you don't see each other

1341
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: in the trenches anymore. We used to be like look

1342
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 4: at us all out here, like we were in our

1343
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 4: bathrooms this morning, like like putting on our makeup and

1344
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 4: running our lines and in the car like practicing your

1345
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 4: stuff and then getting there and asking for a highlighter

1346
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 4: and you know, you know, all that stuff signing in

1347
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 4: and seeing who had been there before you, and those

1348
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 4: days are gone.

1349
00:58:52,600 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a time when I would be in

1350
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: multiple waiting rooms for auditions with for some reason, Leslie Bib,

1351
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I love about.

1352
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: The two of us being like when we were.

1353
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure and Leslie Bib to be in the same

1354
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: audition hilarious again and again. But it's like she would

1355
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 3: never remember this. But it's like, remember, I don't think

1356
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: she's so cool, she's cool, am every time.

1357
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: This is our one minute segment where we take exactly

1358
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: that amount of time to dress something down in culture

1359
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: that's got us twisted, and it's we've come to the

1360
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: reality portion of the episode because I got a bone

1361
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: to pick with an icon. Okay, so honey, and time

1362
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey, Jeff Propes, You're

1363
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: not gonna get away with calling Parverty shallow, a one

1364
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: and a half time winner of Survivor incorrect. She won

1365
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: two times. She won Micronesia and you know that, and

1366
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: she just won Australian Survivor wishes. I'm gonna say it,

1367
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: not only more difficult version of Survivor, but a better

1368
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: produced version of Survivor American Survey. You better get it

1369
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: together because they are lapping you there, out classing you

1370
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: around the world. Do not play with me about PARV.

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01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: Don't don't jack par every second. I've got to. I've

1372
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: got a lot to say about the amount of twists

1373
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: in the show. I'm a diehard fan of the show

1374
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 1: for gears, and I just I don't think it's getting better.

1375
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: So for you to pick on one of the great

1376
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: iconic winners of the show, do I think just because

1377
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: she went and did Traders and that pisses you off.

1378
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: Don't show, don't show that you're insecure, Jeff, because I will.

1379
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: I will get you on my second cast. I don't

1380
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: think so wanted nothing but respect for the Queen Parverty

1381
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: love you. Listen.

1382
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 4: That is a tough fact to follow. I really liked

1383
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 4: your energy.

1384
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: I really like it. I just yeah, I don't like it.

1385
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: In the beginning, I.

1386
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 4: Watch Survivor, You're a house I'm a housewives person in

1387
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 4: a major way.

1388
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: What are your recent thoughts?

1389
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm obsessed with salt Lake. I think I

1390
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 4: don't know what anybody what I did to deserve it?

1391
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 4: But I am here for what did we do? Because

1392
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 4: this is this is giving me. I don't know what's

1393
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 4: going on with Lisa Barlowe. I don't know something is

1394
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 4: really going through something and the stuff with her and John.

1395
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit like, what is that going to

1396
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 4: be credit card fraud?

1397
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: We don't know what.

1398
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 4: Whatever's happening with Bronwyn, I don't know what And something

1399
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 4: is sealed and we can't discuss it, she was.

1400
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: Saying, And I was like, what is sealed? She's like,

1401
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: it's sealed. It can't spathpens. But like what like how identity?

1402
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: Like like what would like?

1403
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 4: I think you you can surprise yourself with like what

1404
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 4: is categorized as like mail fraud identity? Like some things

1405
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 4: are weird and it might be something we weird your

1406
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 4: lawyer now, I'm esquire now, but I'm just saying I

1407
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 4: also Carrington Lane would definitely know and she yeah, she

1408
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 4: wouldn't be friends with any of them. Yeah, maybe she'd

1409
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 4: hang out with Mary a little bit. And I can't

1410
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 4: figure out why does Angie talk so slow? Why does Angie?

1411
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: Everything with Angie? Well, I like Angie, it's it's it's

1412
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: your closest friends, right, And I'm like, also, did you

1413
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: notice this about her? Something that's become very apparent is

1414
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: that the way she turns the side eye is very good?

1415
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: Somebodyd a super Anji k our favorite. I love Anngie K,

1416
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: but like, why are we? Why is everything? Wow?

1417
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 4: And when she thinks she's giving a very like like

1418
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 4: a big diss, it's like she does it in this

1419
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 4: way that is so normal, Like you are the gen shaw.

1420
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 4: I mean you're like, is that supposed to be like

1421
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 4: a gauntlet throne? Like what are we throwing down? I

1422
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 4: can't it's just but I'm I am the way I

1423
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 4: eat it, of course. I mean I just can't get enough.

1424
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 4: I think that Angie K solidified. Obviously, high body count

1425
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 4: hair was great, but you know what trampoline with eyes.

1426
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: Eyes so good?

1427
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 4: High body count hair, but trembling with eyes. But also,

1428
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 4: I mean I just watched the one with Brittany and

1429
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 4: her daughter, and that is I just want to bring

1430
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 4: it down for one second and just say, yeah, this

1431
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 4: is really. I felt sad because what I can't understand

1432
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 4: about Britney is why she's always like okay, yeah, everything's

1433
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 4: like I know, I do. When Whitney was like, do

1434
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 4: you you should want to deal with her daughter, She's

1435
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 4: like I do, I do, And I'm just like something

1436
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 4: is everything okay with Brittany?

1437
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: It has to cut through a lot of noise that

1438
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: that has been like.

1439
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 4: The sound of like a flat line, Like it's like

1440
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 4: an emotional flat like an emotional.

1441
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: Hell is this her daughter's?

1442
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 4: Like, I just and the idea that she was this

1443
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 4: great mom and that like it's almost it's really hard

1444
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 4: when you have when you're twelve and like you lose

1445
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 4: your mother to another person who isn't even your dad.

1446
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, a guy who's obviously like love bombing Bombycissist. They

1447
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: gave her daughter a confessional. I thought that was a

1448
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: daughter a confessional.

1449
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 4: But I feel like Brittany isn't a friend of anymore.

1450
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 4: I feel like something's happening to us or we're being

1451
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 4: given more Brittany. She's she's main cast now, right.

1452
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: He deserves this spot.

1453
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 3: I think for her to really like have a footprint

1454
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 3: on that show with that cast, and that's stacked cast.

1455
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: I think she deserves it. Why not? Okay, is there

1456
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: anybody you'd pull away? Oh? This is so hard, really tough.

1457
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that, and I wouldn't do that. Now

1458
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: you want to know what? Maybe last year I thought

1459
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: Whitney felt absence.

1460
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 4: Agreed, But this year I'm really into Whitney right now,

1461
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 4: I'm into like her being like everything fell apart. Also,

1462
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 4: what about it's the way she says, Oh God, what

1463
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 4: is it?

1464
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 2: Day?

1465
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 4: She says, I fell everything is instead of feel it

1466
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 4: ill and he telling journey's my howling journey. I'm still helling.

1467
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 3: Recently, who your most going on Wednesday? I'm on and

1468
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 3: he's been on with Angie.

1469
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: We shared Angie k I was.

1470
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 4: On with Heather Gay, Lisa, Na, Dorinda, who still my

1471
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 4: debt to this day to me is like iconic.

1472
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: Yes.

1473
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: We recently sent a picture in fact as last night

1474
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: Derinda and together together and the all I can say

1475
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: is that the photo had sexual entertain.

1476
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, Luanne came to my Both of them came

1477
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 4: to my play. Luanne came to my play and that

1478
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 4: was something that was something. She is really something. She's

1479
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 4: a star she's a star mo Ca. I mean she

1480
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 4: sang a little bit for me, did she She did

1481
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 4: at your show and my show because a friend of

1482
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 4: mine is that. My friend Carla Gallo was obsessed with her,

1483
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 4: and I videoed her and it was like she was

1484
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 4: she thought she was doing a cameo, is what it

1485
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 4: felt like. She was like dolling dollar Cat's but I

1486
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 4: was like, it's just my friend on the It's really not,

1487
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 4: but but I was here for it.

1488
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: Have you ever gotten the Housewives cameo?

1489
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 4: No Jamie Jamie Lee Curtis style and like over there

1490
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 4: with like remember when she went on, Remember when Jamie

1491
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 4: she was on.

1492
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: And she like brought her my hand in your I

1493
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: mean like a cameo, like a like a like a

1494
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: like a like a video message.

1495
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: All on that.

1496
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 4: No one's ever sent that to me, but I'm relying

1497
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 4: on you to do that.

1498
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: We will do that for you all. Pick who would

1499
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: I be? We got one from Derinda Joel Kim Booster

1500
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: sent us a one so that he could ask us

1501
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: to be in his wedding party. And I got Dolores Catania.

1502
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: Love amazing love. I just love the Housewives.

1503
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 4: I'm very grateful for them too. I mean they used

1504
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 4: to help me survive a jet blue flight to New York.

1505
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 4: Is really how I started when I would watch the

1506
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 4: OC from the beginning and just like five hours later,

1507
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 4: it'd be like in New York, don't want to get

1508
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 4: off the plane, right, I'm glad, I'm glued.

1509
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 3: I always appreciated your your love for Bravo and Housewives,

1510
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 3: vis A v you being this incredible actor, because I

1511
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 3: was just like, well, it has to be.

1512
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 4: There's some part of me that is really fascinated by

1513
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 4: you know, the thing you think when you read something

1514
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 4: and you go, no one would ever do this, who

1515
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 4: would behave this way? And you're like, oh no, there

1516
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 4: is no end to what people will do or behave

1517
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 4: how they will behave, And the minute you decide that

1518
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 4: it's like an impossibility, It's like all the more. This

1519
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 4: show to me is like evidence of that on a

1520
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 4: daily basis. And I'm just fascinated by you couldn't human behavior,

1521
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 4: and you couldn't make up Gentshaw, you could make up

1522
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 4: run when you couldn't make up Mary. You couldn't make

1523
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 4: up any of them. Meredith their heads like over here,

1524
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 4: like why is it.

1525
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: On the side and why is it on the side

1526
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 3: We re watched this weekend in the morning, which is

1527
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 3: you can't leave Palm Spring Security secure can.

1528
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: If you're looking for the best episode of Housewives is

1529
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: all Tricks No Trust in that season the Palm Springs

1530
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: episode at the Tricksie Motel, and.

1531
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 4: I did ask Heather Gaye directly if she was peeing

1532
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 4: or if that was vomit, and.

1533
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: I think it's both. He's not sure, she don't remember.

1534
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 4: I don't think she remembers, but I as a friend,

1535
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, she thinks it was vomit.

1536
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: And I think it was.

1537
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 4: It was too it was it was coming and it

1538
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 4: was also coming from so low. I just feel like

1539
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 4: it was she was like the way like the way

1540
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 4: it was coming out the force force like fil was

1541
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 4: like too low. If it came that hot came up

1542
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 4: from high enough, it would have been viscous and it

1543
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 4: also would have like lost its power down and it's

1544
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 4: had a lot of force.

1545
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: Totally, I think we should revisit it because scientists we

1546
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: literally like I would watch it once a week. Also,

1547
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: our friend Jared watches the OC reunion that's about Brooks.

1548
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: He like watches it to go to mad He's like,

1549
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: he can't like do it unless it's the not unless

1550
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: that thing is on like Vicki's daughter, what's her name?

1551
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 3: Jesus coming out and like like whenever that opinion whatever,

1552
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 3: a conflict between a mother and.

1553
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: Their child on a reunion. I'm like, come, it's too good,

1554
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: too far, but I love it. More of it? Are

1555
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: you ready I go?

1556
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 3: I've got a simple one. This is Bow and Yang's.

1557
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey, his time will begin now.

1558
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 3: I don't think so many movie theater seats costing the

1559
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 3: same across the board in the same room. If it's

1560
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 3: front two rows, it better not cost anything more than

1561
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: five dollars. Let's say, if I'm on the sides, it

1562
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 3: should be a little bit cheaper. If it's senator, it

1563
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 3: should be more expensive. Let's let's tear them out like theater.

1564
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,560
Speaker 3: I'm not saying we like price, you know, stratify this

1565
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 3: in a certain way, but I'm just saying, like it,

1566
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 3: let's treat it like a theater because that's what it is.

1567
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 1: Let's give it orchestra seating.

1568
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 3: Not that there's an orchestra, but you know, let's there

1569
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 3: are certain seats that are objectively better than in the theater.

1570
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 3: We should pay accordingly, make them more affordable for some people,

1571
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 3: make them, make make the if there's if the theater

1572
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 3: has a.

1573
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: Center aisle, then we then we forget about it and

1574
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: let's just let's just call the whole thing off. Let's

1575
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: just shut it down.

1576
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 3: But I'm saying seats are all priced the same, then

1577
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 3: that just kind of flattens the experiences of movie going

1578
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 3: at all.

1579
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: Let's just let's just let's give it some meaning, let's

1580
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 1: give it some interest.

1581
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 3: Again, I think five seconds wouldn't save the industry, but

1582
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 3: it could go towards helping it.

1583
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 1: That's one minute, and.

1584
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 4: That's what I oh thousand percent agree, right, it's common sense.

1585
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 4: It's common sense, and I would I would pay the

1586
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 4: extra for the thing where I would also be like,

1587
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 4: if it's the front two rows, I don't want to pay.

1588
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes so that's all that's left, and I'm like, well,

1589
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 3: I'm not paying fifteen dollars and you.

1590
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 4: Need a massage afterward exactly.

1591
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Also I have an issue with this is

1592
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 1: about theater, but previews those shi gets costing the same

1593
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: during the run because it was gypsy like how that

1594
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: turned out? I saw that I saw the third preview.

1595
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: It was not ready. You know who was ready? Audi

1596
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: Audro was perfect. But the thing is I was just

1597
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: like and then they got so much better. I did

1598
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: end up seeing it like again. I heard it got better,

1599
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: so I went again and I was like, see, now

1600
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: this justifies the price. Yep. Okay, all right, are you ready?

1601
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: This is the opportunity for you to reread ready.

1602
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 4: I don't like the pressure, but I've got some shit

1603
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 4: to say.

1604
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: Okay, this is Sarah Paulson's I don't think so, honey,

1605
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: her time starts now.

1606
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think so honey that the pigeon is

1607
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 4: a rat with wings. I feel very, very triggered by this.

1608
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 4: I want you to understand something about a pigeon. Pigeons

1609
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 4: have been taught to be near us, to carry our

1610
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 4: messages to our loved ones. Pigeons have been they mate

1611
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 4: for life. First of all, they are not dirty. We

1612
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 4: made them our city dwellers so that we could get

1613
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 4: them to take information to far away lands, to stop wars,

1614
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 4: to tell somebody you love them. They were our messengers

1615
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 4: of our heart, our minds, our brains. It was their

1616
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 4: job to do work for us, and we have had

1617
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 4: them now in the city. People step on them, people

1618
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 4: run them over, they don't care. They don't feed them,

1619
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 4: they give them their trash. They talk about them the

1620
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 4: way they are talked about, the way they are talked about,

1621
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 4: they are talked about as if they are disgusting. Yes,

1622
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 4: they made for life. I watched a pigeon. I watched

1623
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 4: a pigeon make a nest for a cat just out

1624
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 4: of the goodness of its heart. You know what, that

1625
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 4: cat didn't try to eat that pigeon. That pigeon hat

1626
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 4: must be stopped. I'm calling on the world to stop

1627
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 4: hating on the pigeon.

1628
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Thank you. This is a movement,

1629
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: not a moment. This is a movement, not a moment.

1630
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: What the fuck did Pigeons didn't do anything to you.

1631
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: They're not seagulls.

1632
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 4: They're not they are not seagulls. And they would never

1633
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 4: take your bagel. They don't want your bagel. They want

1634
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 4: to sit on your shoulder and they want you to

1635
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 4: tell them about your day.

1636
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: That's what they want.

1637
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 4: And then if you would like to go give a

1638
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 4: message to Matthew across town, they will happily take it.

1639
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 4: They will take it there and they will deliver it

1640
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 4: to him in a scroll.

1641
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 1: They will.

1642
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 4: You could write it up. I'll take you in there.

1643
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, do that.

1644
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 4: Send a carrier pigeon to give him the next message.

1645
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 4: Just let's put the pigeons back to work. They need

1646
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 4: to work.

1647
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:12,560
Speaker 1: They need to work. Topens a bad tops a bag, tuppens, tuppens.

1648
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: They're doves, the doves. You to do this to doves.

1649
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 4: They're doves in a beautiful, iridescent like movie with a

1650
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 4: little bit of green on their head.

1651
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: They love each other forever. They pick a person, love

1652
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: each other forever. How could we How could we treat

1653
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: them so terribly? Treat the monogamous monogamous monogamous people? Thank you,

1654
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm about to cry. I love a pigeon. Guess what

1655
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: I grew up with?

1656
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 3: Grand theft auto for There is a whole side mission

1657
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 3: in that game where y'all, y'all know what I'm talking about, flying.

1658
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 4: Rats, nick naos, flying rats in their pigeons.

1659
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 3: You have to go, you have to go shoot them.

1660
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 3: I've been incentivized to shoot these birds.

1661
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 4: Next time you look at that bird in life, just

1662
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 4: remember that pigeon used to do your work for you.

1663
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 4: That pigeon sent a text for you. Send your email,

1664
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 4: delivered it lovingly. Bless the pigeons, Thank you, You're welcome,

1665
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 4: Bust the pigeons. Bust the pigeons a third option. She

1666
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 4: didn't think we'd have this many.

1667
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: God, that was amazing.

1668
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 3: This is a true I mean, we've I felt like

1669
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 3: in an extended conversation with you, I'm like, oh, this

1670
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 3: is a real savant of the culture of the industry.

1671
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1672
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 4: Interesting, I just really I love I mean, we know

1673
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 4: when Krista Miliotti won the Emmy for the which is

1674
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 4: like I love acting, and she screamed, I love acting,

1675
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 4: and I swear to god, I went like this out

1676
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 4: of my chair. I levitated because it was like, there

1677
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 4: is a person saying what is in my heart out

1678
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 4: loud and being celebrated for it. And it's like puts

1679
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 4: her hand in the air and it's like woo wooing too.

1680
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 4: I love acting. It's like she just rocks the chasma

1681
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 4: and every other chasma whatever anybody wants, every time, always

1682
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 4: and always has and has the voice of an angel

1683
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 4: to do. Of course, just like next level. She's next

1684
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 4: level in every way. She's the coolest person. But was

1685
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 4: able to stand there and say I love acting, and

1686
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 4: I swear to God, I was like, everything's going to

1687
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 4: be okay.

1688
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: That's that's my shit.

1689
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 4: And I was like, I feel seen, I know who

1690
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 4: I am in the world when a person can do

1691
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 4: that and people are excited about it, and so I

1692
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 4: just feel like normalizing excitement about what you love. I

1693
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 4: don't care how like silly someone's besides it is and

1694
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 4: it's so cringe because you love it. It's like, you

1695
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 4: know it's cringe thinking everything's so uncool. I'm just like,

1696
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 4: guess what's cool. Being passionate is cool. Loving what you

1697
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 4: do is cool. Recognizing that you get to do something

1698
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 4: that you love and that people are like, yes, you

1699
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 4: get to do it.

1700
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I know how lucky I am.

1701
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 4: I have friends who are more challenged than I could

1702
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 4: ever dream of being, who do not have jobs.

1703
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: So just love it.

1704
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 4: Love it because you get to do it. Love it

1705
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 4: if you don't get to do it. Just keep loving it.

1706
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 1: And you know who's loving it, all of you, because

1707
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: you're probably streaming All's fair. I guess at least one

1708
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: episode is out now, yes, and this three.

1709
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 4: I think three are out now because Earth three first

1710
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 4: three because it basically the beginning is like letting you

1711
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 4: know who everybody is and that takes a minute and

1712
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 4: you kind of and then you got to get into it,

1713
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 4: so you got to like ride past one, you learn

1714
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 4: who we all are? Yeah, get ready basically basically like

1715
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've seen the trailer, but the

1716
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 4: trailer is like, yeah, it's it's a lot and it's

1717
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 4: a lot and it's a lot of you're going to

1718
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 4: get maximalism. There's nothing about this that is I mean,

1719
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 4: I call Kim Kardashian Beef Curtains on National.

1720
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 1: Tell as you walk through a vaginal hall, I walk

1721
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 1: through a cervicle.

1722
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 4: A clown survey, I call I call Emerald Green, and

1723
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 4: I call I called Glenn Close George Washington on National

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Speaker 4: What do you want?

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Speaker 1: What more do you want?

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Speaker 4: Mayor mchead cheese, I call them that too. I mean,

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Speaker 4: like it's really.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, head cheese.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to ever hear head cheese on a

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Speaker 3: TV show, except if it's all fair.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mayor makehead cheese. And with that, we end every

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Speaker 1: episode with a song, why is it this? Do you

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Speaker 1: know this song? There's always tomorrow? And dreams.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but I was. It was an episode

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Speaker 4: of Saturday at Live with with Kristen Wig and Fred

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Speaker 4: Armison doing the thing where they were trying.

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Speaker 1: To sing the songs together and they don't know the song. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was last.

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Speaker 3: Culture Reacts is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money

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Speaker 3: Players in the Heart radio.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yeg,

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Speaker 1: executive produced by Anna Hasby, and produced by Becker

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Speaker 3: Ramos, edited a mixed by Duck Babe and our music

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Speaker 3: is by Henry Koberski