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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, January eighteenth, twenty twenty four, and we
Speaker 2: are ninety eight days away from the NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 2: Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lyte. Here
Speaker 2: from the SWBC studios at the Star and Frisco. Nick
Speaker 2: Harris Brian brought us Aisha Morrison, Zach Wilchuck Chris Bean
Speaker 2: in the back of Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 3: How's everybody doing today? Read a roll man d to roll.
Speaker 2: We'll be crazy today where a little bit early got
Speaker 2: pushed up an hour because Mike McCarthy comes on at
Speaker 2: ten o'clock and then and then we'll be back at
Speaker 2: our normal time. Tuesdays and Thursdays from here on out
Speaker 2: is when you can hear the Draft Show. Eleven am
Speaker 2: Central Time is when we will stream live.
Speaker 4: So yes, sir, two more extra hours of sleep boom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not nine am for well you have to get
Speaker 2: up for ten am for talking on Tuesdays.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just one day.
Speaker 5: I can do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can make it away, right, we can look.
Speaker 3: A little bit of it. He's a you're a night out.
Speaker 4: I'm a big sleep guy.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Well, don't get used to it because you got draft
Speaker 2: stuff to watch, you got film to watch. All right,
Speaker 2: let's talk about the fallout or I don't even know
Speaker 2: fallouts to write words specifically, but just move on.
Speaker 3: Just reaction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike McCarthy is staying as your head coach. Jerry
Speaker 2: Jones put out a statement yesterday saying that he believes
Speaker 2: that the future is bright with Mike McCarthy as the
Speaker 2: head coach. He feels like he's close and Brian, I
Speaker 2: think it does affect the draft significantly because of the
Speaker 2: relationship that he's had with the personnel department.
Speaker 3: No, and they do.
Speaker 6: And you know, these the personal departments job to do
Speaker 6: is to work with every coach and to work with
Speaker 6: especially the head coach.
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy came from a.
Speaker 6: Program, you know, four years ago where in Green Bay,
Speaker 6: Ted Thompson and the scouts really did the job for
Speaker 6: him as far as picking players. So Mike's in a
Speaker 6: new and he's learning, he's learning that he's going to
Speaker 6: have a say every head coach I've ever worked with
Speaker 6: here has had that opportunity. Whether you want it or not,
Speaker 6: you're going to have a say in personnel. So you know,
Speaker 6: Mike coming back, there's your continuity there. The questions we
Speaker 6: had are about what's going on with the with the
Speaker 6: defensive side of the ball though, and with Dan Quinn
Speaker 6: with him doing interviews, and so if Dan were to
Speaker 6: come back, well then there's your continuity. Scouts understand what
Speaker 6: they have to do. If there's a change there or
Speaker 6: somebody from the outside, that's going to be the difference
Speaker 6: for the scouting department. But everything else leading up to that,
Speaker 6: with McCarthy being being uh, you know, continuing on his
Speaker 6: role as a head coach here, I think it's going
Speaker 6: to be status quo. But they do need to figure
Speaker 6: out what the defensive coordinator situation is and hopefully if
Speaker 6: they have to get a new one, then it would
Speaker 6: be a guy that could mirror some of the things
Speaker 6: that they've done before. Scheme wise, I mean, I've gone
Speaker 6: through scheme flips where you've gone four three to three four.
Speaker 6: In this day and age, everybody's able to kind of
Speaker 6: play a little bit of both. And I know you
Speaker 6: study that stuff really really strong.
Speaker 7: I'm here for decoration right now. In regards to this conversation,
Speaker 7: I hope can y'all hear me, Oh yeah, okay, I
Speaker 7: sound funky, So okay, I just wanted to make sure. Okay. So,
Speaker 7: But in regards to Mike McCarthy, you know, coming back,
Speaker 7: I do think it is easy to forget that this
Speaker 7: is the first year that this offensive scheme has been introduced,
Speaker 7: and there's you know, some maybe some kinks and stuff
Speaker 7: they need to work out. I do want to see
Speaker 7: how he attacks. I mean, we heard we talked about
Speaker 7: it yesterday, was like, we're going to run the ball.
Speaker 7: We're going to do it. So I wonder, you know,
Speaker 7: so maybe how they attack, trying to perfect that run
Speaker 7: game and get it better. But in regard to him
Speaker 7: returning to me right now, I thought it was the
Speaker 7: better decision to make, you know, for your team to
Speaker 7: move forward and hopefully again I hope they can pull
Speaker 7: some of the things that they did well this past
Speaker 7: year and find a foundation and there'd be like some
Speaker 7: real identity in this offense and some consistency that can travel.
Speaker 8: Yeah, as it pertains to the drafts, we talked about
Speaker 8: it yesterday. Whether it's a first year guy coming in
Speaker 8: or it's a McCarthy coming in or coming back, there's
Speaker 8: gonna be pressure on.
Speaker 5: This draft class.
Speaker 8: I think, regardless, they have to go out and prove
Speaker 8: that they're a little bit better than they were last year.
Speaker 8: I was actually we were talking about how bad the
Speaker 8: twenty twenty three draft class was yesterday.
Speaker 4: ESPN put out an article yesterday ranking all the draft class.
Speaker 4: Thirty one Cowboys were thirty two flat last and it
Speaker 4: was it was by a large margin. So there's going
Speaker 4: to have to be some sort of bounce back here
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8: I think you have to go in. You got to
Speaker 8: get a solid first round guy. I think that's priority
Speaker 8: number one, just based on you know, Mazzie Smith and
Speaker 8: what happened last year. But also you have to be
Speaker 8: able to find some guys in Day two, day three
Speaker 8: and be able to stack.
Speaker 4: Momentum in those areas as well.
Speaker 8: I mean, you got to bounce back in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 8: and I think that's a I think there's pressure on
Speaker 8: McCarthy to do that, pressure on this entire scouting staff.
Speaker 9: I feel confident that they'll do that, right. I mean,
Speaker 9: this is a team that usually they're up in the
Speaker 9: top ten when we're looking at these lists every year
Speaker 9: in terms of getting production from your draft class, so
Speaker 9: you know every team's going to have a bad one.
Speaker 9: This team just has so much pressure because of how
Speaker 9: they team build. Everything's really through the draft, right, So
Speaker 9: I mean this year, I think that a lot of
Speaker 9: their positions of need it's good. It seems like it'll
Speaker 9: probably be in those middle rounds. The problem is they
Speaker 9: don't have a lot of middle round picks, right because
Speaker 9: they traded. Yeah, they traded to go get Cooks. They
Speaker 9: trade to go get Gilmour. They moved up. We talked
Speaker 9: about that yesterday with Eric Scott. So the comp picks,
Speaker 9: maybe that helps you out a little bit.
Speaker 7: That's what I was going to ask. Are there some
Speaker 7: comp picks that you maybe should get hope.
Speaker 3: You're going to get us six? Yeah, they're hope for sure,
Speaker 3: they're hopeful for two.
Speaker 6: Six's best case scenario would be a five six And
Speaker 6: they think that maybe Noah Brown is going to fall
Speaker 6: below the line to get another one.
Speaker 2: So because it would be for Connor mc govern and
Speaker 2: for Dalton Schultz, those are your okay compicks?
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, this is certainly for another day, But
Speaker 9: then are you looking at maybe does this team try
Speaker 9: and trade back a little bit to acquire some an
Speaker 9: extra third or a fourth at some point in this
Speaker 9: draft class, because there's a lot of good meat there,
Speaker 9: especially for linebacker and running back.
Speaker 6: I always feel like in a draft, you can you
Speaker 6: can pull back, you can get an extra third. Somebody
Speaker 6: will come up and watch your spot drop back. I mean,
Speaker 6: we've seen there's ways to manipulate the draft in order
Speaker 6: to get some of those picks that you might need.
Speaker 2: And I talked about this a little bit on Talking
Speaker 2: Cowboys in our Reaction show. On Tuesday. I called in
Speaker 2: from Indiana and Nick asked me the question, what do
Speaker 2: you feel like their plan moving forward is? And I said,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if they'll keep McCarthy,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they'll change head coaches. I don't
Speaker 2: know what they'll do a defensive coordinator. But despite what
Speaker 2: they end up making the decision for I want to
Speaker 2: see a considerable plan. I want to see something moving
Speaker 2: forward because you can't just run this back. You can
Speaker 2: just put the same roster out there with the same
Speaker 2: cornerstones and the same pieces and say let's try this
Speaker 2: again in twenty twenty four. It's not gonna work the
Speaker 2: same asn't. So my question to you guys now is
Speaker 2: with McCarthy being the first box checked, you have your
Speaker 2: head coach, you know where he's gonna be. What would
Speaker 2: that plan be for you guys? Where would you start
Speaker 2: seeing the planet that you beef up the offensive line? Zach,
Speaker 2: you talked about getting bigger just in general. Is that
Speaker 2: a considerable effort, because now, if you're not going to
Speaker 2: change the head coach, you got to make a change somewhere.
Speaker 3: I think it comes in roster building.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think getting bigger is more specific for the
Speaker 9: defensive side of the football. But what do we hear
Speaker 9: Mike talk about this time last year? He wants to
Speaker 9: run the football? Yeah, he wants the identity of this
Speaker 9: team to be a run first team. Unfortunately, regardless and
Speaker 9: if it was personnel, if it was scheme, they were
Speaker 9: not able to run the football. So I think that's
Speaker 9: what you're doing. First, you're going to the drawing board
Speaker 9: and you're saying, okay, and this is also going to
Speaker 9: help your quarterback out who just had his best year. Yeah,
Speaker 9: So I mean that's being optimistic right there. Dak Prescott
Speaker 9: just had his best season, is an MVP candidate, probably
Speaker 9: gonna finish runner up to Lamar Jackson, and they had
Speaker 9: no consistent running game. If you're able to do that,
Speaker 9: how much of a more of a consistent step and
Speaker 9: a better step can this offense take? So if I'm McCarthy,
Speaker 9: I'm getting with Mike Solauri, I'm looking kind of where
Speaker 9: we're at. We'll see with some of these guys that
Speaker 9: possibly you know Tyron is, do you want to bring
Speaker 9: him back? Is he going to retire? Zach Martin has
Speaker 9: kind of flirted with that as well. Tyler Biattish, we
Speaker 9: got to look at that. If you want to bring
Speaker 9: him back, do we want to draft a center? I
Speaker 9: think center probably is the one position that you can
Speaker 9: go ahead and change.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw a good one last night that Jackson
Speaker 6: power Johnson from Oregon Holy cheeze.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean hey, and.
Speaker 6: We talked about Barton from from Duke as well, But man,
Speaker 6: I know one thing that powers Johnson when you watched
Speaker 6: him play there was, you know, and Oregon throws the ball,
Speaker 6: but you talk about his handle, his area and then
Speaker 6: get to the second level and play. I do think
Speaker 6: in the running game it's it's really and and you know,
Speaker 6: I feel bad for Pollard. They didn't particularly lockwell at center.
Speaker 6: They weren't particularly good at point of attack, tied end.
Speaker 6: And this goes back to Schoonmaker. And maybe Schoonmaker gets better,
Speaker 6: you know, with the off season and stuff like that,
Speaker 6: and works on those things.
Speaker 3: But we kind of I know, I.
Speaker 6: Thought that he would help in the running game, but
Speaker 6: they've got to do something thinking about the back and
Speaker 6: you know, and skip Pete even on the way out
Speaker 6: of here, told us that that Pollard as the featured
Speaker 6: guy is not the not the answer here, that you
Speaker 6: need kind of a complimentary piece to him. So I
Speaker 6: think if the areas you look at is the center,
Speaker 6: you look at the running back on two of those
Speaker 6: offensive positions, for me, is where I would where I
Speaker 6: would look.
Speaker 5: Y'all said it already.
Speaker 7: I'm all about trying to figure out how to consistently
Speaker 7: run the ball and do it well in different ways
Speaker 7: and how that can open up the rest of your offense.
Speaker 7: I mean, quarterback is crazy good at play action. You
Speaker 7: didn't do it that much this year. I wonder why
Speaker 7: there's just things that you could hit hit easy, buttons
Speaker 7: on and when you don't have the run game. And
Speaker 7: then also too, you look at how defenses are playing you.
Speaker 7: They're playing you like that because they know you can't
Speaker 7: run the ball consistently. So I think it definitely could
Speaker 7: change some things. So I would look at to your point, Kyle,
Speaker 7: maybe they get with Solari, he and Micha McCarthy get
Speaker 7: together and we figure some things out there and hopefully
Speaker 7: they can move forward from there. I mean, there's a
Speaker 7: couple of running backs in this draft. I'm sure we're
Speaker 7: gonna talk about them as well.
Speaker 8: I think I think they're going to be really aggressive
Speaker 8: this offseason. You thought they were aggressive last offseason. Now
Speaker 8: they have much more pressure. There's a lot of guys
Speaker 8: that are allowed to be right one run. I think
Speaker 8: once free agency opens and once they feel like they
Speaker 8: can make some trades for some guys, there's gonna be
Speaker 8: some things happen. There's a big time running back that's
Speaker 8: going to be a free agent this upcoming off season.
Speaker 8: Wouldn't be surprised if they go crazy on that.
Speaker 7: It's a big time linebacker.
Speaker 2: Two, there's a couple of them. Yeah, a free agency
Speaker 2: of course, that'll all hit before the draft. I kind
Speaker 2: of feel back and forth, but man, you gotta do
Speaker 2: something and you can't just run it back. And now
Speaker 2: that you're keeping your head coach, we'll see what happens
Speaker 2: with the defensive coordinator or the offensive staff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he needs to be more willing to to
Speaker 6: to make moves as well. And you know, when you're in,
Speaker 6: if you're in that kind of that final year of
Speaker 6: your contract.
Speaker 3: You know, you really he's got nothing.
Speaker 6: Well, he could lose his job, but he could also
Speaker 6: lose his job if he doesn't fix the things that
Speaker 6: we're talking about right now. So he needs to you know,
Speaker 6: his approach needs to Okay, you're telling me we need
Speaker 6: to do bring this guy in. Let's do it. Let's
Speaker 6: bring this guy. You know, when will McClay ask you,
Speaker 6: how can I help you? How can I help you?
Speaker 6: He doesn't need to say, hey, I love my team.
Speaker 6: I love my team. You know when coaches say that,
Speaker 6: I'm like, I can't help.
Speaker 3: You when you love your team, you know.
Speaker 6: But I mean, if you, if you give me somebody,
Speaker 6: if you if you're a position or to I can
Speaker 6: go hunt for you right now, then maybe we could
Speaker 6: be ahead.
Speaker 3: Of these some of the things that we might be
Speaker 3: up against.
Speaker 4: And we heard that quite a bit at the trade
Speaker 4: deadline from yeah everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's here.
Speaker 6: Yeah no, yeah, Well the Mike McCarthy prescommor you guys
Speaker 6: ask him the question. No, we like our guys. As
Speaker 6: a personal guy, I cry when I hear that, I
Speaker 6: really do.
Speaker 3: I cry.
Speaker 4: Ask the question, see if he answers the right way.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna know Brian's.
Speaker 6: And the bail the guy with my head on my
Speaker 6: desk or you know, the Pablo Escobar.
Speaker 3: For it.
Speaker 7: I had a question, do you do you think it
Speaker 7: is important though, that going into next year that they
Speaker 7: figure out what causes them to go the things that
Speaker 7: they do well when they get in some of these games.
Speaker 7: I I that's one of the things that I think
Speaker 7: really has to be focused on is what are And
Speaker 7: again this is just what I've learned because I'm still
Speaker 7: early in this game, but most coaches, most teams ocs,
Speaker 7: they have some foundational plays that are money that they know,
Speaker 7: our money that they can go to in times where
Speaker 7: things are kind of tight. I'm just looking at how
Speaker 7: we would see things one week and we wouldn't see
Speaker 7: things the next week or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 7: For me, I'm hoping that there's some consistency and the
Speaker 7: play calling. And we use the word identity and stuff,
Speaker 7: but I'm just looking for consistently knowing that these are
Speaker 7: things that you do well and that you can do
Speaker 7: them well across different fronts in different places, and so
Speaker 7: I want to know. I really hope that that's something
Speaker 7: that shored up this offseason, because I was.
Speaker 9: Confused on that area. And it's also one that we
Speaker 9: would talk about a lot, is when you're injured, like
Speaker 9: with the offensive linemen going to the game or the
Speaker 9: weather games, right, you're kind of tweaking your game playing
Speaker 9: a little bit. This team didn't go out and play
Speaker 9: as well, so you've got somewhat and look that might
Speaker 9: be across the board in the NFL, coaches are just
Speaker 9: naturally going to have different game plans based on well,
Speaker 9: I don't quite I'm not as strong with my personnel
Speaker 9: today or what we're going into a rain or snow.
Speaker 3: Type of game.
Speaker 9: But I kind of like this team to feel so
Speaker 9: darn confident and cocky about what they're doing, how we're built,
Speaker 9: how we're going to go and just kick this team's
Speaker 9: ass that we're not changing anything for nobody. I don't
Speaker 9: care if we're playing brock Hoffin and TJ. Bass today.
Speaker 9: We're gonna line up and we're gonna play our game
Speaker 9: because this is who we are.
Speaker 7: And that's what I mean. It's like the sometimes that
Speaker 7: would come that's come up this season. Clearly to your point,
Speaker 7: there's been offensive lineman injuries, there's been injuries with the
Speaker 7: running backs, there's been stuff that's come up. How can
Speaker 7: you get to a place to where when those type
Speaker 7: of things happen it doesn't completely make you negate from
Speaker 7: who you are as an offense. I think that's really
Speaker 7: important for them to establish that because guess what other
Speaker 7: teams know that, homie. They get your injury report too,
Speaker 7: and they pick up on your tendencies too, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 7: they got back up offensive linemen in, They're probably not
Speaker 7: gonna take seven step drops. That's a problem.
Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of a self reflection.
Speaker 4: Elementary tracking that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's I guess that's what I'm trying.
Speaker 2: To see from a coaching standpoint. A lot of times
Speaker 2: you don't feel like you changed your game plan, Like
Speaker 2: if you asked Mike McCarthy in the press conference today,
Speaker 2: why did you change your game plan? He'd probably say, like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about changing our game plan? That
Speaker 2: was our game plan the whole time. Yeah, the stubborn
Speaker 2: element of being a coach in the league and kind
Speaker 2: of the way that it happens. He's got to realize, Okay,
Speaker 2: we got out of it a little bit.
Speaker 3: We backed out of it.
Speaker 2: We maybe backed off the way that we shouldn't have,
Speaker 2: both offensively and defensively. I mean, if I'm Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at Dan Quinn running zone on the
Speaker 2: headset all game long, I'm getting on the headset myself
Speaker 2: and saying, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Go back to playing man? Did what worked for you
Speaker 3: all year long?
Speaker 2: You got to find maybe accountability within your staff and
Speaker 2: accountability within yourself first before you even make a change
Speaker 2: in terms of your game plan and backing off of it.
Speaker 7: It's a therapy session, it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit. All right.
Speaker 2: We want to get to some names here real quickly
Speaker 2: before we get into twitter. On the twenty we were
Speaker 2: talking about offensive weapons, right, we were talking about running
Speaker 2: back offensive line. Are there any guys we didn't mention
Speaker 2: a ton of wide receivers and tight ends yesterday, pass
Speaker 2: catchers that you've watched so far that have caught your eye,
Speaker 2: and somebody that you can.
Speaker 3: Maybe add to this team.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say necessarily first or SEC, because I think
Speaker 2: there's other positions of need. But if there's the best
Speaker 2: player available, what would it be. Is there anybody out there?
Speaker 7: I'm gonna let y'all go further.
Speaker 9: There's a ton of good receipver.
Speaker 3: He looks like she's ready to.
Speaker 4: I got one, go for it.
Speaker 3: Who's your person?
Speaker 7: Listen?
Speaker 4: Okay, don't don't get don't don't make fun of me.
Speaker 4: If you take we're going to be We're not.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna take it. Because you mentioned tight end
Speaker 7: in the back. When I looked at this player, I said,
Speaker 7: he's a little bit of both in this weird way.
Speaker 7: Jean Bell f s U South Carolina Transfer.
Speaker 10: Uh huh.
Speaker 7: He's six three, two thirty nine. When I wrote down,
Speaker 7: I said, this is a running back with like optimal size,
Speaker 7: And you know what's insane is like I'm gonna throw
Speaker 7: up when I say it. But when I saw him,
Speaker 7: I was like, dang, he would look good at san
Speaker 7: friend because he has that.
Speaker 4: That versatility to him.
Speaker 7: But it's the truth. It's the truth. But I was
Speaker 7: just looking at his burst. He has good vision because
Speaker 7: he has experienced, uh he's played multiple spots. He's played
Speaker 7: multiple spots.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 7: I mean also too when he gets the balls and
Speaker 7: hit the ball in his hands. He has good vision
Speaker 7: and his speed is steady, but it's not top level.
Speaker 7: He has the yacability, like I said, and on him
Speaker 7: being undersized might be a problem for people who consider
Speaker 7: him like he's supposed to be a tight end, but
Speaker 7: when you look at him and he's using like when
Speaker 7: he's running the ball, he looks like a running back.
Speaker 4: He's just big.
Speaker 7: And so I guess one of the things you will
Speaker 7: maybe worry about is maybe some of the block and
Speaker 7: ability and stuff like that. But he's kind of that
Speaker 7: weird tweener type guy that you could get some production from.
Speaker 4: And I just like his game. I like his game.
Speaker 7: And to your point, he's like not second third round,
Speaker 7: you know, maybe late third round, maybe fourth of you
Speaker 7: decide to do that. I haven't done all the stacking
Speaker 7: and stuff, but he just stood out to me because
Speaker 7: I feel like you could do some tight end stuff
Speaker 7: with him, but you can also do some like running
Speaker 7: back out the backfield type stuff with him as well.
Speaker 7: So I was just interested by him. It was one
Speaker 7: of my guys I was interested in list.
Speaker 9: I love Jaeen bell Call. He was one of those
Speaker 9: guys I watched last year then decided to go back
Speaker 9: to school. And I mean, I think that you described
Speaker 9: him perfectly there.
Speaker 3: Personally.
Speaker 9: I mean, he's a Swiss army knife. The dude you
Speaker 9: can line up all over the place, right, And you're right,
Speaker 9: because he did play some running back at South Carolina.
Speaker 9: And then I think that Florida State did a great
Speaker 9: job of getting the most out of it. If I'm looking
Speaker 9: at there's a lot of wide It's interesting the wide receiver.
Speaker 9: We were talking last year, this is your kind of
Speaker 9: krusty scouting class. This year you got big, tall.
Speaker 7: Long, I said, this is I said, Michael Mayor, is
Speaker 7: that you man?
Speaker 9: I mean you go from Ady Mitchell, Troy Franklin, Brian
Speaker 9: Thomas junior, LSU guy, these are big six foot four,
Speaker 9: I mean even starting at the top with Marvin Harrison junior,
Speaker 9: Kean Coleman. But I think the guy for me that
Speaker 9: I do think is interesting, that is a body profile
Speaker 9: that is different from what this team currently has. Xavier Lagette,
Speaker 9: the wide receiver from South Carolina six three two twenty seven,
Speaker 9: kind of has a similar build to like an AJ Brown.
Speaker 9: When you watch him, You're won the game Cocks Toughness
Speaker 9: Aware Award in twenty twenty two. So he played South Carolina.
Speaker 9: You know, he's a special teams guy. Set a school
Speaker 9: record with about thirty yard average per kick return, so
Speaker 9: he can impact the return game as well. He's powerful,
Speaker 9: big lower body, thick leg, strong, physical breakaway speed to
Speaker 9: pull away from defenders. I think he can block on
Speaker 9: the edge really good. After the catch, He's got long speed,
Speaker 9: tremendous athletic ability. You can throw the ball to him
Speaker 9: on tunnel screen, so hell take it up field. So
Speaker 9: you know, I think his footwork could improve a little
Speaker 9: bit off the line of scrimmage to be able to
Speaker 9: win against some craftied corners. But he's an interesting player
Speaker 9: that's a little bit different from what you have in
Speaker 9: that current receiver room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the guy. And I was worried.
Speaker 8: You came very close to taking the guy, but I'm
Speaker 8: staying at Florida State. I'm going with Johnny Wilson. Oh,
Speaker 8: so this is this is an.
Speaker 2: Interesting sounds like a Nick Harris prototype.
Speaker 3: A big fan of lip Key.
Speaker 2: Ye little bit A couple guys like the little big type,
Speaker 2: but I like that.
Speaker 8: So Johnny Wilson, he's a guy that's going to be
Speaker 8: a type type hybrid.
Speaker 4: It depends on whatever team drafts him, what.
Speaker 8: They want to do with him. What would you do
Speaker 8: six ft seven, two hundred and thirty seven pounds. I
Speaker 8: would bring him in the building and work him out
Speaker 8: a lot of areas and training camp.
Speaker 4: And figure it out.
Speaker 8: That's what I would do six six foot seven, so
Speaker 8: that they line him up. Yeah, they line him up
Speaker 8: out wide and he had four hundred and eighty nine
Speaker 8: snaps lining up out Why this year only fifty lined
Speaker 8: up in line. So they love to throw it up
Speaker 8: to him and man, can he can he go up
Speaker 8: and grab it? You have a Jahim Bell that's a
Speaker 8: six foot three type tight end and they're comfortable with that.
Speaker 4: I think that speaks more to what Bell can do.
Speaker 8: Actually, but you Loick Wilson does as well on the outside,
Speaker 8: being able to line up on either boundary and be
Speaker 8: able to do what he does. It's pretty impressive if
Speaker 8: you went to Calabasas High School there in North LA,
Speaker 8: so you know he comes from a little but anything
Speaker 8: anything you can look at when you see from Johnny Wilson,
Speaker 8: it's it's really impressive. He's if you're looking for a
Speaker 8: red zone guy, he is mister red zone guy in
Speaker 8: this draft. I'm one thousand percent just throw it up
Speaker 8: to him, receiver receiver. I mean you you line him
Speaker 8: up at a receiver, figure him out a tight end. The
Speaker 8: thing that I'm going to be looking at the most
Speaker 8: from him, though, is when the combine happens. I think
Speaker 8: he's going to shocks and people at the combine. I
Speaker 8: think he's gonna lay down a sub four four five Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: he's he can roll.
Speaker 4: So if he lays down, he.
Speaker 9: Looked like run into a long strider forty.
Speaker 4: He's a very long strider.
Speaker 8: If he can lay down a time like that, he's
Speaker 8: gonna sneak into the second round. I think I think
Speaker 8: that would obviously hurt Cowboys chances, But I think right now,
Speaker 8: this is the third round guy that I think you
Speaker 8: could possibly target if you were looking for, you know,
Speaker 8: that big body type receiver.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna find a bigger body than this one.
Speaker 3: Kenny Block.
Speaker 8: See, there's not a lot of tape on that because
Speaker 8: he's he's more so on the boundary. But there are
Speaker 8: plays where they're running Tray Benson out to the to
Speaker 8: the wide set and and he's he's out there doing
Speaker 8: his things.
Speaker 4: So, uh, what kind of scene.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 8: He's gonna be a fun project for whoever drafts him.
Speaker 8: I think again it's a training camp type project. But
Speaker 8: one thing for certain, you could throw it up to
Speaker 8: him inside the twenty and he's gonna come down and
Speaker 8: grab it.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 7: I feel like I jinxedus. Listen if Sam Fran gets
Speaker 7: Shahiem Bell, Oh.
Speaker 9: No, please, you can manifest talk about that. I wouldn't
Speaker 9: mind it yet. I'd love it if the Awboys rafter
Speaker 9: Jeem Bell, they can do a lot with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think, Brian?
Speaker 7: Have you watched him?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: I have not, Okay, I can't wait.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I did watch a guy.
Speaker 6: If you're going to trade.
Speaker 3: Back in this draft in the first round, if you
Speaker 3: want to pick up a third round pick, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe dance back a little bit.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna give you an offensive tackle that I looked
Speaker 6: at last night.
Speaker 3: Jordan Morgan from Arizona.
Speaker 6: And the reason I say this because I think Morgan
Speaker 6: could play guard, but I think he could play tackle
Speaker 6: if you want to keep if something happens where you
Speaker 6: move on from Tyron Smith.
Speaker 3: There Jordan Morgan to me, he's starting left tackle for
Speaker 3: the Walkcat.
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, he wears number seventy seven,
Speaker 6: and there's things that he does that reminds me of
Speaker 6: Tyron Smith. He's six five, he's three hundred and twenty
Speaker 6: five pounds, and there is no wasted motion or movement
Speaker 6: in his game at all. I mean, this guy gets
Speaker 6: away from the line, well, he strikes you right off
Speaker 6: the set.
Speaker 3: He carries his hands, he tends to carry.
Speaker 6: Him a little low, but then all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: man there there boom and then the spot and stopping
Speaker 6: his guy. He's got some rare change of direction to
Speaker 6: his game. He never appears off balance or out of position.
Speaker 6: Uh swift, the lateral bursts, the movement, great job of
Speaker 6: staying in position.
Speaker 3: This is one of those guys I kind.
Speaker 6: Of feel like though that if you you move back
Speaker 6: in the draft, and maybe some people will like him
Speaker 6: more than some others, because I know there's some people
Speaker 6: that are projecting some of these other tackles, like our
Speaker 6: guy from our guy from a Guidon from Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: I've seen him.
Speaker 6: Kind of in some mock drafts, being Tyler Guidon from
Speaker 6: Oklahoma TCU transfer Yeah give.
Speaker 4: Me was one of the most difficult kids to cover
Speaker 4: high Yeah give me.
Speaker 6: Yeah give me Morgan over Geydon all day, all day.
Speaker 6: And I know there are people that have, like I said,
Speaker 6: they've seen some mock drafts. But Jordan Morgan is a
Speaker 6: guy that you're gonna you're you're gonna learn about him.
Speaker 6: And I hope that you see what I see in this.
Speaker 4: Kid, Jordan Morgan. He's a senior Bowl guy. I'll be
Speaker 4: looking out for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, please do he may he may. I think he is.
Speaker 3: He is is. I mean he is. His technique sound
Speaker 3: perfect in.
Speaker 6: The way he sets, and you know I talk about
Speaker 6: Tyron Tyron Smith sets and he could still just yeah,
Speaker 6: And maybe it's because a kid wears seventy seven.
Speaker 3: It just kind of makes my eye look right the
Speaker 3: right way.
Speaker 9: Hey, he played in the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2: It's one last offensive tackle from the PAC twelve.
Speaker 3: But I tell you what I love that center. I
Speaker 3: love that center from Oregon. By the way. Yeah, if
Speaker 3: you're if that, it's gonna it's gonna be close close.
Speaker 2: His name is Powers.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Pretty okay, a little bit more context Johnson.
Speaker 8: I mentioned it yesterday, but he's played four of the
Speaker 8: five offensive line positions up front for Oregon in the
Speaker 8: last two seasons.
Speaker 4: Go back to the twenty twenty one Alamobile.
Speaker 8: They had a lot of defensive linemen that had entered
Speaker 8: the portal or had already declared early for the NFL Draft.
Speaker 8: They're playing Oklahoma and the Alamobile he flips over to
Speaker 8: defensive tackle and gets three tackles in that game. Was
Speaker 8: a huge run stopper for them. It comes from a
Speaker 8: Corner Canyon High School in Draper, Utah. There's only two
Speaker 8: high schools in Utah that put out talent. That's one
Speaker 8: of them. That's where the Wilson brothers, when Zach Wilson
Speaker 8: and his brother Isaac, they put out a ton of
Speaker 8: talent and they've they've been known for putting out.
Speaker 4: Offensive line talents.
Speaker 8: This guy's mean, you can do a lot of things.
Speaker 3: And Barton from those are mean guys.
Speaker 9: Barton is for sure.
Speaker 8: Tell me about with powers Johnson is he puts power.
Speaker 8: He puts so much power in front. Sometimes he leaves
Speaker 8: his feet. He's gonna get thrown down a couple of
Speaker 8: times in training camp. He's been like, Okay, I can
Speaker 8: do that here. But I think that'll be I think
Speaker 8: that'll be a little bit of a learning Yeah, him
Speaker 8: over here.
Speaker 7: I thought, well, first of all, when you talking about
Speaker 7: Jordan Morgan, I was dying laughing when I went and
Speaker 7: looked at his picture because I said, Terry Steele, okay.
Speaker 2: But college photos look especially similar.
Speaker 7: They're very similar. I looked up the fact that we're
Speaker 7: talking about multiple sport athletes. He used to do shot put,
Speaker 7: and when you look at how he plays and stuff,
Speaker 7: I actually just went to look at what shotput requires
Speaker 7: from a person, and it requires you to have proper technique, strength, power,
Speaker 7: speed and rhythm. You see that a lot in his play.
Speaker 7: And when you bring up the fact that he does
Speaker 7: things like tiring, I actually think that if he was
Speaker 7: earlier in his anchor, he would be even filthier. Sometimes
Speaker 7: he is kind of I don't know. I think he
Speaker 7: trusts his recover a little too much.
Speaker 3: He carries his hands so low.
Speaker 6: Yes, that like if you got him right there, you're
Speaker 6: kind of ready for that. But he'll kind of weigh
Speaker 6: in that guy and then it's like he baits you
Speaker 6: in and then it's.
Speaker 7: Bammed yeh on you absolutely yea. Once he gets his
Speaker 7: hands on you, it's pretty dead in the water.
Speaker 2: And Will McClay has really been adamant about two sport
Speaker 2: athletes in the past. He really likes the fact that
Speaker 2: he has two sport athletes in these feet, especially on
Speaker 2: the defense of an offensive lines. All right, we ran over.
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Speaker 3: Blow through this real quick.
Speaker 2: All right, there are some mood questions. The first one
Speaker 2: this year, the position groups across the board feel wide open?
Speaker 2: Says uh, is this Rico Swabe? Oh no, no, no, it's
Speaker 2: Raina tweets this in says position groups and position opens
Speaker 2: are wide open. Do you feel like it's more wide
Speaker 2: open than years past in terms of where these positions
Speaker 2: rank across the board in the NFL draft class.
Speaker 8: I don't know as far as comparing it to years past,
Speaker 8: but I will say there is quite a I think
Speaker 8: the jury still out on what even like the top
Speaker 8: five position groups would be. I think we're going to
Speaker 8: get a lot of certainty out of out of these
Speaker 8: Bowl games here in the next couple of weeks, though.
Speaker 2: You think it always plays a factor these All Star
Speaker 2: games as much as absolutely?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think when it's you see the good on
Speaker 6: good competition, and you also see you have hands on
Speaker 6: and then you'll see you'll see the competitive guys out there.
Speaker 3: You go to the Senior Bowl. The practices.
Speaker 6: One of the greatest Senior Bowl practices I ever was
Speaker 6: is Zach Martin, you know, Aaron Donald going at it.
Speaker 6: I mean, you stood there and watched those one on
Speaker 6: ones and you could have drafted both those players off
Speaker 6: just that one off, one on one drill right there.
Speaker 6: So those bowl games mean a lot to a lot
Speaker 6: of these scouts.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I do think that this is a special offensive
Speaker 9: tackle class compared to years past. It is really deep,
Speaker 9: and I think the top two guys for sure Fashanu
Speaker 9: from Penn State and Alt in Notre Dame. I mean,
Speaker 9: I think teams are going to alternate, like which one
Speaker 9: do they see as the better one? I think yeah,
Speaker 9: al for Joe Alt. I think Joe Alt might have
Speaker 9: the more upside and potential. I don't think he's quite
Speaker 9: a finished product. I think Lufashanu might be, like I
Speaker 9: think you know what you're getting out of him, but
Speaker 9: he's a dude that didn't allow a single sack and
Speaker 9: the last two years there at Penn State. I also
Speaker 9: think the wide receiver class is better than it was
Speaker 9: a year ago. And we've kind of been talking about it,
Speaker 9: like are we in the golden age of wide receivers
Speaker 9: right now in the draft, But this year's kind of
Speaker 9: more what I think most scouts, as we talked about
Speaker 9: a our customers too, better are different. I think it's
Speaker 9: I think it's better personally, I think it's deeper. I
Speaker 9: mean it is different for sure, because we were talking
Speaker 9: like the tank Dell's, the Za Flowers, I mean, Brian.
Speaker 9: During the whole process, we're like, we got to train
Speaker 9: our eyes, like we got to be more open minded
Speaker 9: to having some of these smaller guys doesn't mean they're
Speaker 9: not going to be productive. Those two guys certainly showed
Speaker 9: that in their rookie year. But this year, I think
Speaker 9: you've got more of your natural, taller, longer builded wide receivers.
Speaker 9: But those are the two groups that I think have
Speaker 9: really impressed me that are deep, Like I mean, you've
Speaker 9: got five to ten in that offensive tackle wide receiver
Speaker 9: range that you're like, man, I feel really great about
Speaker 9: these guys that I'm watching right now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, last year in the receiver class, you had the deer,
Speaker 8: and this year you have the Gaels.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's a lot the deer in the gazelle.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean even so when you look at the
Speaker 7: you know, obviously this is my second year, so it
Speaker 7: was just like looking at the difference and even what
Speaker 7: is available running back, It's like, yeah, dog, like this
Speaker 7: is not what last year was at all, and even
Speaker 7: a linebacker is like, I mean, this guy's it's like
Speaker 7: maybe five ten guys that I'm like, Okay, these guys
Speaker 7: can really go out there and they can be ready.
Speaker 7: But it's just it's it's changing. It's interesting to see
Speaker 7: how much has changed.
Speaker 4: This next season.
Speaker 3: EJ. Savage says, what position, by the way, quarterback? Oh,
Speaker 3: I think, oh yeah, I think quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: I think this is a good quarterback class. I really don't.
Speaker 8: I think it's a little top heavy though. I think
Speaker 8: you have the guys at the top that are really
Speaker 8: solid and really good. But once you lie in the
Speaker 8: middle rounds, I'm a little.
Speaker 6: I've been a drafting before where there's one quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 6: if that's fair, If you give me five quarterbacks to look.
Speaker 2: At that that's the thing is if you can get
Speaker 2: six or seven drafted quarterbacks that have a chance to play,
Speaker 2: that's a good class.
Speaker 3: And I think this class has six or seven like that.
Speaker 10: E J.
Speaker 2: Savage says, what position, separate of need pushes the neat
Speaker 2: needle the most for the Dallas Cowboys, which one would
Speaker 2: move the needle the most back and forth? I guess
Speaker 2: you could say quarterback. But that wouldn't necessarily happen immediately.
Speaker 2: That would happen down the road. So he's had a
Speaker 2: side from positions, says separate of need, but just in general,
Speaker 2: what position group would would move the needle for you.
Speaker 6: I don't think they're doing anything at quarterback because of Lance. Yeah,
Speaker 6: they made their deal on.
Speaker 2: They spin a fourth round pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's Lance. That's you're not going to draft
Speaker 3: a quarterback. H No. But moving the needle though without
Speaker 3: the need because we.
Speaker 4: Did I would say receiver.
Speaker 8: I would say receiver getting a big bodied receiver, I
Speaker 8: mean because of how good I mean technically, it is
Speaker 8: a need, but I don't think that's one of the
Speaker 8: top four positions we're looking at whenever we look at
Speaker 8: needs in this draft.
Speaker 4: But they go and get a big edge. Yeah, like
Speaker 4: a really outage but like also really physical.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah. Corner maybe, I mean you bring some
Speaker 3: depth to corner.
Speaker 2: Stefan Gilmour specific if he's not healthy going into it,
Speaker 2: do you want to keep him around.
Speaker 3: Jordan Lewis is coming out too, So one thing we've
Speaker 3: proven here is corner.
Speaker 6: A guy coming off injury needs to about week nine
Speaker 6: before he starts yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna say tight end another one.
Speaker 3: You always like the tight end.
Speaker 7: I'm saying tit. Obviously, I think you need someone to
Speaker 7: consistently pair with ferg that's gonna help you in the
Speaker 7: passing game. I don't know if Spoon is gonna develop
Speaker 7: to that. Maybe he can, like that's whatever, But with
Speaker 7: John Stevens, we don't know what he's gonna be like
Speaker 7: coming back from Aco. Also to what happens with Peyton Hendershot.
Speaker 7: I do think that maybe outside of that, you can
Speaker 7: look at tight end and see if you can get
Speaker 7: something there that's a receiving threat but also can help
Speaker 7: you on the run game.
Speaker 3: There's freak shows.
Speaker 9: I mean Jatavian Sanders obviously we know well went to
Speaker 9: Dent and Ryan here locally. Kate Stover I ended up
Speaker 9: watching last year. He went back. That's another big bodied
Speaker 9: receiver that can block in line that also is going
Speaker 9: to catch in the football. But safety, for me, every
Speaker 9: safety that I've watched so far pretty solid. Kinchins from Miami.
Speaker 9: Tyler Nuban is a guy that thought about coming out
Speaker 9: last year that I saw. Really watched him again the
Speaker 9: other night out of Minnesota. Really good player like him
Speaker 9: a lot. Yeah, safety, And then I talked about Javon
Speaker 9: Bullard from Georgia. Who's my guy? You know? So I think?
Speaker 9: And hey, Curse is a free eight. Uh you know
Speaker 9: Malik Hooker. Do you want to move Bell back to
Speaker 9: safety if you don't need him as a linebacker, but
Speaker 9: it'd be interesting. I think there's some talent of the
Speaker 9: safety class this year in the draft.
Speaker 2: Well, and does the safety prototype change for this team
Speaker 2: if dan Quinn's not your defensive coordinator very well?
Speaker 4: Could absolutely?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, just.
Speaker 8: With how many dbs that they like to run, the
Speaker 8: hybrid roles that they try to have, because if you
Speaker 8: have a if you have dan Quinn in the building,
Speaker 8: then you're looking at, you know, a day two, day
Speaker 8: three guy like Jalen Simpson out of Auburn who has
Speaker 8: that hybrid ability. And if not, then maybe you're looking
Speaker 8: for that true safety type ability, a guy like Tyler Newban.
Speaker 4: I mean, he would have to be a second round
Speaker 4: Tye guy.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: I think he's I think he's the best run defender
Speaker 4: dB in this class.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think, best combo and he can also cover.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's really really strong and Ryer right.
Speaker 3: Off the Yeah boom you well, I haven't seen him yet. No,
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Well, Chuck, like he texts me at all weird hours
Speaker 6: of the night like, Hey, I'm watching this Minnesota kid man.
Speaker 3: I think he's great. And that's all he says. You know,
Speaker 3: it's just like it's just like it random thoughts. I
Speaker 3: love that. That's what that's what draft seasons at all about.
Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. All Right.
Speaker 6: You watched the USC kid Bullock not a big fan,
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