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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 3: They goll be bed. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pl Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Gold War still here,

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Speaker 3: never left. Don't call it a comeback, right, etc.

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Speaker 2: Etc.

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Speaker 3: This is one that several listeners suggested to us a

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Speaker 3: number of years ago, actually, when it was making the

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Speaker 3: rounds on social media. Maybe the best way we get

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Speaker 3: into it is to start with a question, what's the

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Speaker 3: weirdest building we've been in as individuals?

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Speaker 4: The Shaken Crawdad over there on Buford Highway really like

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Speaker 4: a merry ground, super odd.

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Speaker 3: I remember that one. I've never been in it, but

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Speaker 3: I haven't, but I remark upon it every time I

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Speaker 3: go past them. I'd like to one day.

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Speaker 2: The strangest building I've been in is the Omega mart Oh.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad we were frustrained, interdimensional fun.

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Speaker 3: That was a good time. Yeah wolf thing in Vegas. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: with our pal Paul Decant. And I remember being worried

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Speaker 3: that might be a weird pitch because I didn't know

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Speaker 3: what to expect either, Like, hey, let's go to this

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Speaker 3: I think he nailed it. That is such an amazing building.

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Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of weird historical stuff that, you

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Speaker 3: know that I have to be honest about. It may

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Speaker 3: have only seemed strange to me as an outsider, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like the Washington Monument is really

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Speaker 4: Sulti looking double lists have always struck me as a

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Speaker 4: little you know, ominous.

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Speaker 2: What do we think of penile?

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Speaker 3: What do we think of when we think of George Washington?

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Speaker 3: We do love it too. Mess monuments here in the

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Speaker 3: United States, Oh yeah, skyscrapers are going to look crazy

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Speaker 3: in two thousand years to understand what were they thinking?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they have a preoccupation there. Maybe they were

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Speaker 4: compensating for something.

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Speaker 2: I think a better example if I if I wasn't

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Speaker 2: going weird, it would be the facility at Buford Dam

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Speaker 2: here in Georgia because it's one of those places that

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Speaker 2: is roped off to most individuals, but because of our

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Speaker 2: association with Marshall brain and how stuff works way back

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Speaker 2: and look at the systems while they're functioning. So while

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Speaker 2: they're generating electricity with the hydroelect forces of the huge

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like that mad. It also reminds me,

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Speaker 3: maybe not in just weirdness. We're happy to tell you

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Speaker 3: weird buildings around the world later, folks, but in terms

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Speaker 4: It's like being in a real life video game, which

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Speaker 3: The draw distance of it all, you know.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and it's a great building. Just when we

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Speaker 2: think about government sponsored massive structures that have a very

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you see where we're going with this. That's right, folks,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get real weird with one for urban explorers.

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Speaker 3: For as odd as it may sound to say, Cold

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Speaker 3: Force fans, good luck on your relocation coming up, folks Alabama, right,

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Speaker 3: to learn the stuff they don't want you to know

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Speaker 3: about the Cold War. Here are the facts, all right,

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Speaker 3: let's cast our memories back to the days of the

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Speaker 3: first Cold War. We got two superpowers, right, the USA

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they had just won a huge victory over

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Speaker 3: I don't know this crankly crankly guys.

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Speaker 2: I think he was doing an impression of Hitler. You remember.

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Speaker 3: The less I like him. Yeah, we've been bringing that

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Speaker 3: there's this big there's a world changing conflict, World War two.

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Speaker 2: what are you are you trying something over there, buddy?

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Speaker 3: Right that the other people were saying, hang on, why

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Speaker 2: And we should have planned to do something.

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Speaker 3: Some of them will tell you the Cold War never ended.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the titles of some of the countries changed a

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Speaker 3: And visited Alaska recently, some of those guys, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean some speeches. You're absolutely right. The names change,

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Speaker 3: And when they were trying to rationalize beat me here, Dylan, please,

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Speaker 3: they were doing, they said, look, if we don't break

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Speaker 4: And that's sort of what kicked off the arms race.

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Speaker 4: Some of them sound a little bit odd or you know,

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Speaker 3: no per diem. There's no budget limit on this stuff

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Speaker 3: we just describe actively wanted a cold war because it's

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Speaker 3: Right, and then you have to you know, in times

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Speaker 3: Mickelson Safeguard Complex. Not the sexiest name, but very expensive

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Speaker 3: Most disturbingly, what could it be used for today? I

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Speaker 2: I we have not, but we're going to get into it.

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Speaker 2: We we have watched many a video from mister Robert Branting,

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Speaker 3: Also we've also seen, you know, extensive photographs and you

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Speaker 3: The social media conspiracy story that was all over TikTok

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Speaker 4: The conspiratorial allegations surrounding the Michelson safeguard recently spread on TikTok,

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Speaker 3: So let's just start with what we know to be true.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. If you see images without context of this site,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the MSR, the missile Site Radar complex. It's gigantic,

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Speaker 3: and it looks like a pyramid walked into a barber

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Speaker 2: Well, they just said, took the take the top off.

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Speaker 2: And well, but it's also got those little uh, the

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Speaker 3: There, and it makes you, if you're an American, it

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Speaker 4: Well, isn't that that's the symbol that's on the dollar.

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Speaker 3: On the dollar, and on this boy, there are four

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Speaker 3: And this thing is as we're going with, as you said,

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Speaker 3: It's Nixon's Pyramid.

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Speaker 3: Mentioned all the time. The idea is not that these

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, These are like the Nikes, right, the

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Speaker 2: The craziest part is in the nineteen fifties all the

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Speaker 3: Nixon's pyramids. It was also we got to mention this

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Speaker 2: Because the minute men were the response to being attacked, right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and weather patterns be damned also. As

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Speaker 2: Missile defense shield shield.

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Speaker 3: Sadly that was not the case. A lot of people

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Speaker 3: are cool. I get it, they're cool.

435
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean you can't you can't kind of

436
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 4: mandate something into existence.

437
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, however, not all cool things are real things.

438
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: So that's what they were talking about. The technology wasn't

439
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: where it needed to be.

440
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 2: I agreed. It's tough to fault some of the top

441
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 2: military thinkers at the time because you you can imagine

442
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: them racking their brains, getting the top science scientific experts

443
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: around and saying, well, how could we actually do this?

444
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: How can we achieve defense of this kind of technology

445
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: that we're developing and that we know they're developed. And

446
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: this was at least at the time, the best option,

447
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: or as close to the best option as you can get.

448
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: It just was freaking expensive. It reminds me, guys of

449
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: that old guitar game Missile Command. Do you remember that one?

450
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

451
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 4: Do you remember like a battleship situation? Like, isn't it

452
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 4: It's very basic, right, aren't you sort of like kind

453
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 4: of missiles.

454
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: You're you're you're basically one of these things. You're like

455
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: this site, right, you play that site and then you

456
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: can shoot missiles up into the air that explode with

457
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: what looks like nuclear A small nuclear explosion starts at

458
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 2: the center, expands out, and you have to stop all

459
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: the missiles from coming in. It feels very similar to that.

460
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 2: That's a nineteen eighty game game.

461
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 5: It is.

462
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: Ye, it's a missile defense game, which is literally what

463
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 2: we're talking about here. I guys, I just wanted to

464
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: get this in. I find it so interesting that you

465
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: can play this nineteen eighty arcade game in Well, there's

466
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: one place that I found it. You can play it

467
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: for free right now if you want to on the

468
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 2: a ARP website. I'm not kidding, I believe you, the

469
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: website of the American Association of Retired Persons. Uh, it's

470
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: games dot a ARP dot org slash games Slash Atari

471
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: Missile Command, and you could play it right now.

472
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 3: I think I might have it on I want to.

473
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: I've got it on an emulator. I was just gifted

474
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: to a switch to. So doesn't switch have Atari games

475
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: on it as well?

476
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: I think there might be maybe it's If not, I'll

477
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 4: go on the emulator. Yeah, it looks like you can

478
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: play it literally through the browser. That's pretty cool.

479
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, just go just go to the AARP website. Man,

480
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: we just there's people who have nostalgia for the concept

481
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: of shooting missiles out of the sky with nukes. That's all.

482
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see what you're saying, and good on you, AARP.

483
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: Uh and no further comment about emulators. I think, uh,

484
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: so this is the issue, and you put it so beautifully.

485
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: People are say, yes, this is expensive, Yes, this is imperfect. No,

486
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: we have no other options. And then someone says what

487
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 3: about global peace? And they're like, get out, get them out,

488
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: get them out, get them out of here. Anyway, as

489
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 3: we were saying, so Congress, to their credit, they have

490
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: some serious misgivings about this. Not everybody is happy. There's

491
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: a very controversial thing, right and journalists in the public

492
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: or clocking onto this. We have to remember at this

493
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: time there's also a very strong anti nuclear power in

494
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: general movement. They don't love it either. Still, public fear

495
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: and the potential for contract or profit won the day,

496
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: and the site gets approved out there in North Dakota

497
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty nine. They start building it in nineteen seventy.

498
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: The estimates for how much it ran to build usually

499
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: very in contemporary reporting, between five point seven and five

500
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: point eight billion dollars in nineteen sixty nineteen seventy money,

501
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: so it was way more than that.

502
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: In real terms. Well yeah, and just so you know,

503
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: that's around twenty nine point three billion dollars in twenty

504
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: twenty one.

505
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: Dollars and then in twenty twenty five dollars. We actually

506
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: have to wait for the data to come in. How

507
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: screwed up the current economy is. But this is I

508
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: guess at first this seems like good news. Right as

509
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: we're picking up these breadcrumbs and connecting this red string.

510
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: The social media conspiracy lore isn't that far off. And

511
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: the thing is real. It is built, It costs around

512
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: as much money as it was alleged to have cost,

513
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: and it was completed. It opened on October the first

514
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: of nineteen seventy five, and the very next day, October second,

515
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five, Congress members in the House successfully voted

516
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: to shut it down.

517
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that, but that doesn't mean it shut down

518
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: that day. When Congress voted to shut it down, it

519
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: means funding is gone. So it's gotta roll down a

520
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: couple months at least.

521
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: What an odd thing to do, though, I mean, after

522
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: all that money after all that labor that goes into

523
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: a facility like that, like what's going on.

524
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: Well, keep in mind the cost of labor and R

525
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: and D does not get refunded, So the money is gone, right,

526
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: the money has left the barn. It's a weird bait

527
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: and switch, right, and it gets a little money. When

528
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: we think about the reasons, and already this is just

529
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: the true information. According to the facts as they stand,

530
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: it does seem Mickelson's safeguard was either an offensive waste

531
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: of time and resources or just maybe something else. And

532
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: so if you don't dive any deeper, you see those

533
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: conspiratorial allegations on your favorite social media, you may say, hey,

534
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: these have some sand to them. But if there was

535
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: is a conspiracy to what end quibono, who benefits? That's

536
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: where we get to the really weird stuff.

537
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: Well, one person, group of people organization that is currently

538
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: benefiting from this site is the United States Space Force. Why, well,

539
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: let's get into it. So the pyramid structure, if you're

540
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: looking at images of this thing online, and we hope

541
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: you are, the pyramid structure, and then the other little

542
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: spartan missile silos that you can also see in a

543
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: lot of the images. That stuff is what we're talking

544
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: about essentially, is what got shut down and what was

545
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 2: no longer in operation. There was still testing going on

546
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: at that Pyramid site again, at least according to Rob Branting,

547
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: over there at the Ronald Reagan minuet Man Missile site,

548
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: which is the OSCAR zero Missile Alert Facility and the

549
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: November thirty three launch facility. Really interesting names for stuff

550
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: out there in North Dakota, and then that whole area

551
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: with missiles. That is one site that was doing its thing.

552
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: There's another thing called the PAAR or the Perimeter Acquisition Radar.

553
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: It's another strange concrete looking building. It's got this checkerboard

554
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: e looking thing on one side of it that's kind

555
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: of tilted a little bit, angled towards the sky. It's

556
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: got a little radar thing on top of it, some sort,

557
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: you know, one of those old golf ball things. This

558
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: structure is very interesting. It is specifically looking and was

559
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: looking to see what was coming in and out of

560
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: the atmosphere. It could for the first time begin to

561
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: characterize the type of things that are coming in and

562
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: out of the atmosphere. So with some of the older radars,

563
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: some of the different radar, even the one the pyramid structure,

564
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: it didn't have a lot of accuracy in what it's seeing.

565
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: It could just detect, oh there's stuff coming from the

566
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: north pole vicinity, or oh there's stuff coming from the

567
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: southwest out of the sky. This thing, this pr could

568
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: give you a better idea and tracking ability for those attacks.

569
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: So as it was more strategically important, this thing kept

570
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: on operating. It was handed over to the Air Force

571
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven, and then in twenty twenty one

572
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 2: US Space Force took over. And they're the ones who

573
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 2: still don't like operate this thing today.

574
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 3: Because you don't want to throw things away. If parts

575
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: of it work, you know, you want to do salvage.

576
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: And that's that ties back to what we were saying earlier,

577
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: the conspiratorial allegations on social media, that maybe there is

578
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: some other purpose than what was originally sold to the

579
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: public and indeed to Congress. And that's where we get

580
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: to that question again. If there was or is a conspiracy,

581
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: who benefits kle Bono, right, And that's what leads us

582
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: to the weirder stuff that caught fire on social media

583
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: around twenty twenty one and continuing on today, maybe we

584
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: get more into the details of that after a word

585
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: from our sponsors, good folks at Lockheed raytheon north of

586
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: Grumman Boeing. Are we still with Boeing?

587
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, baby, Yeah, all the hits and we've returned.

588
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 3: All right, So going back to some points we mentioned earlier,

589
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: the story is told in these short TikTok clips is

590
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: unfortunately the most diplomatic way we can say it is.

591
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: It is a highly abridged version of the truth. Congress

592
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: did vote to shut down Michelson literally the day after

593
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 3: it opened, like you were saying, Noel, but the base

594
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: remained in operation until February tenth, nineteen seventy six. Contrary

595
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 3: to the popular implications, something this large, with this many

596
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: moving parts can't be flicked off at a switch. You

597
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: can't just walk into what It's kind of like our

598
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: conversation about MRIs right, there's not a kill switch for Mickelson. No.

599
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: I'm just really surprised that none of this crossed my

600
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 4: social media radar. It just seems like the algorithm would

601
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 4: have fed it to me if it was making the rounds.

602
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: Given some of the stuff that we look at.

603
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: Maybe you guys saw it, but I don't know if

604
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: you guys are on Instagram as much.

605
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: As I am.

606
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: But for around a year, according to the Palm Beach Post,

607
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 4: this site was home to almost two thousand military and civilians.

608
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: Like living in any large community base, there was a

609
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 4: subdivision which included a commissaria chapel and all that kind

610
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: of stuff, and also a gas station and you know

611
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 4: the kinds of things any small town where you know,

612
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 4: village would need a town.

613
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this is going to be familiar to anybody

614
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: who's lived on a large military base in the past.

615
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: But I spent some time in Fort Campbell and it

616
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: was a city all its own. It was big.

617
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: You know.

618
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: They had a water tower, which to me at that

619
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: time was like the mark of authenticity for a city.

620
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 2: Oh you're a town for sure.

621
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: For sure, you guys have the tower. Yeah right, well

622
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 3: it was spring exactly right, I know, coming Georgia. So

623
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: this this gets really weird because despite the fact that

624
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: people agreed the base was an imperfect answer, it was

625
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: still better than any of the alternatives aside from world peace.

626
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: But it turns out it had a secondary value, and

627
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: it's one that the public was not super aware of

628
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 3: because it'd be very unpopular to explain to them. This

629
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: was not just a off the cuffed attempt at destroying

630
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: enemy ICBMs. This had an equal value as a bargaining

631
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 3: chip in negotiation with the Soviets, and it actually kind

632
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: of worked. Russians watched this and they were amazed. They

633
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: were impressed.

634
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was cutting edge technology at the time, and

635
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: the Americans actually spent that money and built this thing.

636
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: And they've got satellites just like we've got satellites looking

637
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: down from above, but yeah, seeing, uh, guys, what is that?

638
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: What is that pyramid thing? We've got some intel they're

639
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: building something out here. Those are definitely missile sites. But

640
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: what is that pyramid thing?

641
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: What's going on? Yeah? And then they also, you know,

642
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: they did have it for anybody who's seen the show,

643
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: the Americans there were sleeper agents right who community take

644
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: a road trip to parts of North Dakota. Unproven, but

645
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: they did have pretty efficient ways of gleaning intelligence. And

646
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: they also did the math right, because the US was

647
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: happy to announce this math to journalists, so they did

648
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: the math and they said, Okay, even if it's going

649
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: to get cheaper every time they build another iteration of

650
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: this dirty dozen. If we try to build something like this,

651
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: if we try to build twelve of these, that's going

652
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: to be a phenomenon tall milkshake. That's possibly a bank

653
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: breaking endeavor. So we got to come negotiate with our frenopies.

654
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it makes it makes so much sense. You

655
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: think about satellite technology today, and you guys remember some

656
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: of these stories that came out about specifically places in

657
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: China where cities, massive entire cities were being built and

658
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: then nobody was using them, or there were so few

659
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: human beings in these these large metropolitan areas didn't make

660
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: any sense. The way you could tell that now is

661
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: with a sophisticated satellite technology, you can tell there's, oh,

662
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: there's no cars going down any of these major highways

663
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: that have been built. Oh wait, what is happening? Back

664
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: back then, specifically like nineteen seventy five or whenever it was,

665
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: you could still tell that it was an operating base.

666
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: Right with the images coming back, there are human beings

667
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: going back and forth from let's say a barracks to

668
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: the actual facility. But if you didn't have people doing that,

669
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: you could probably at least in some way say this

670
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: isn't worth our time. This is like for show.

671
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: Right right, this is performance, pomp and circumstance. But just

672
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 3: as we're describing, every time a satellite passes over their

673
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: correct path, they're instantly they're instantly playing the game that

674
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people play as kids, where you look

675
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: at the two seemingly identical images and then you know

676
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: there are ten things different and you have to try

677
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 3: to find the ten things like always wearing a red

678
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: hat this time, or oh the blah blah blah. That's

679
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: what's happening with satellite imagery around this time on the

680
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: Soviet side, because they're looking at this and they're saying, oh,

681
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: why are these vehicles in different places? Who's moving where?

682
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: And how can we figure out when they're moving? So

683
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: that's how they know it's active.

684
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: Intelligence is so vast when it comes to the collection, right.

685
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also hilarious when it comes to the fact

686
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: that we're using the word intelligence, you know what I mean.

687
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: Like information technology, information gathering, and weaponization.

688
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: It reminds me of one of my favorite Snail sketches

689
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: just for the Voice with Adam Driver at Career Day,

690
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 3: where he's like incubation technology was still in its infancy.

691
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: I was placed it in iron lung until I was

692
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: a ripe enough to breathe.

693
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: I remember this, is that Lorri stabs a crow?

694
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, hr Pickens? Who is that exactly the idea here, right,

695
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 3: of separating through the noise? Is this a fake thing?

696
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: Like when the British said, oh, eating carrots just turns

697
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: out to make you really good at seeing in the dark.

698
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: Pay no attention to those rumors about radar, right, like, yeah,

699
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 3: is this is this a story they're selling us? They

700
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 3: were convinced it was true, and so they came together

701
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: and both countries eventually said, all right, you guys, I

702
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: can't wait too what we say about this? They said,

703
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: all right, guys, all right, all right, Yanks Ivans, we

704
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: each get one anti missile site each, just one, just one,

705
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 3: because you guys already built one.

706
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: We'll build one two. It's cool.

707
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: That's it. We're going to the next level of the

708
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: game again. That's officially. I don't know what do you

709
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: guys think when you hear about those kinds of agreements,

710
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: you know, like, oh, we're gonna step down the nukes.

711
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 4: No, man, I don't know if anyways gonna willingly step

712
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 4: down anything.

713
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: Well, the site still has those the potential for minute

714
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: men missiles, and it's still partly operated by Space Force

715
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: and they're looking at stuff in orbit.

716
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: Right.

717
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: It just makes you you've got there's a lot of

718
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: trust that would go into one side saying Okay, we

719
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: trust that you're not gonna do anything else.

720
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: Will be the bigger government. We've been going to big

721
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: government therapy. Yeah, we're really working on ourselves, and we

722
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: hope you guys also work on lowering the amount of

723
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: nuke two out.

724
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: Damn it wouldn't it be great if that were true? Though,

725
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: if we could all just go to big government therapy together.

726
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: Honestly, I yeah, like all the voters are well playing.

727
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, I've thought for years and I

728
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: I have no moral compunction about cannabis. Do as thou wilt.

729
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: It's not for me. But still being a non subscriber

730
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: to it, I suspect that a lot of international conflict

731
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: would be easier to solve if some of the world

732
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: leaders in despots just had a smoke sessh together, dude, Like,

733
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: if they just hung out, talked about common interest, shared

734
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 3: some of their culture's favorite snacks, do some bong rips. Yeah,

735
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: a little microdosing. I'm fully on board with this.

736
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: Let's let's freaking do it, guys. We can we can

737
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: make this happen. It's a global shroom session at a

738
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: cabin somewhere right somewhere. Everybody's just hanging.

739
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: Out and Truman cannabis.

740
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: You got to get people choice. Yeah, throw up.

741
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 3: Some fractals on the projector magic IY gets to bring

742
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: back magic guy. You know what I mean. Never make

743
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 3: those work.

744
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 2: Just hang out with an oak tree for a couple hours.

745
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: Talk to some animals. Check out our episodes on that. Yeah,

746
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: look what we're saying is we don't have all the answers, folks,

747
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: but we do have the best ones. So there we go.

748
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: So Congress then did something really weird. After or they

749
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: reached this official agreement with Russia, they went back and

750
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: they said, look what we've done, despite building this behemoth

751
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: and then closing it almost immediately, what we've done is

752
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: actually saved the nation billions, possibly trillions of dollars, because

753
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: now we don't have to build the other eleven ones

754
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: that we were pretending we were going to build, which

755
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: is true, but it's sneaky true. It's parcore true, it's

756
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: conveniently true. And then they said, yeah, they have more stuff. Well,

757
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: there's a lot of statements that were like, oh baby,

758
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: come on, you know, yeah, yeah.

759
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: Well because they were secretly working on Shyan Mountain or

760
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: in Colorado, they're working on all these other sites that

761
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: do various things for continuity of government and for protecting sure,

762
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, the movers and shakers no matter where the.

763
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: Nukes fall, just not specifically that kind of thing that

764
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 3: Nicolson was exactly what I mean. It's like someone going

765
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: to court and saying, your honor, I'm never gonna drive

766
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: a Volkswagen drunk again. And then, you know, fast forward

767
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: six months, they're in the same court with the same

768
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: judge and they say, your honor in my defense. That

769
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: was a BMW, your.

770
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: Honor in my missile defense.

771
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So Congress, to the public and to any

772
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: factions of politics and defense, they said, okay, get this though. Yeah,

773
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 3: Nicholson was expensive, but a ton of the money we

774
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 3: spent was basically just figuring out how to build the thing.

775
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: If you think about it, I mean, come on, maybe,

776
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: if you think about it, half the money went into

777
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 3: research and design, and we would have done that anyway,

778
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: you know us, you know how we get down. So

779
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: really we invested in technology and we didn't blow that

780
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: much cheese on this thing when you think about it.

781
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: We didn't mean to hurt you base.

782
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 5: They come on, I know, gas light Central and so

783
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 5: it was, yes, a lot of money, this safeguard base.

784
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: It was only working for a short time, and logically

785
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: people still speculate on the motives behind constructing it, especially

786
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: with so very many people arguing against its feasibility from

787
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 3: the jump. Large parts of Nicholson are abandoned right now,

788
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: and following up on our conversation about a visible or

789
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: abandoned America, this is great if you're a fan of

790
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: urban exploration. And I don't know about you guys, but

791
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: I think it's astonishing how low the prices were when

792
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: this stuff went to public auction.

793
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were talking about this off air about how,

794
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 4: you know, been a little more ego, I might have

795
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 4: been able to swoop in and get some deals here. So,

796
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 4: after most of its operational components were destroyed over the

797
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 4: following decades, like you said, Ben, the MSR and the

798
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 4: surrounding lands were sold at government auction for a total

799
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 4: of five hundred and thirty thousand dollars.

800
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: That seems very manageable.

801
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: They think about that price. That's insane, that's insane. That

802
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: is the price of some of these big homes around.

803
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: No question, I know, not that big, not that big,

804
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: not that big, not as big as you think. No,

805
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: unless you live in Vancouver or San Francisco, and then

806
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, is it a trench under a bridge?

807
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

808
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

809
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: That number is crazy.

810
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: It is. It's such a such a steep drop, you know,

811
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 3: the rate of depreciation. What is this a boat? Anyway,

812
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: They're purchased by the Spring Creek Hunter right colony originally

813
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: the big piece of it in this auction. They are

814
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: a religious farm community.

815
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

816
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: Are they humble farmers? Well you hope so actually love

817
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: that connection.

818
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: Yes, Eventually they will be spacefaring humble farmers. Yeah, you

819
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 2: just wait.

820
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: But they're not. They're not whole makeover missile base edition

821
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 3: by any means. They farmed the land, but reportedly they

822
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: just sort of allowed the structures to sit in the

823
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 3: way of all ancient monuments and fall into slow decay.

824
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: Look upon my works, you mighty, and don't repair, But.

825
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 2: There are missile silos in there. Have you guys seen

826
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: some of those repurpose missile silos that end up flooding

827
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: quite a bit just because nobody's paying attention to them,

828
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: which is why.

829
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 3: They started filling them with sand.

830
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, exactly. And it's not helpful to have, you know,

831
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: repurposed missile silos. They could actually have missiles. You probably

832
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: don't want that. If you're a government selling things, we

833
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: can purpose them for other things. Just make sure missiles

834
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: can't go in there anymore.

835
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: Right, that's the idea. Seal it up. And also, you

836
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: know the environmental problems of having having created super deep

837
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: wells that are full of contaminants and pollution. And now

838
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: the water gets in there, but it doesn't stay in

839
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 3: that well forever. There will come soft rains. Sorry, that

840
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: story is still stuck in my head, you guess. But yeah,

841
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 3: so we know the sales continue. Somewhere between twenty seventeen

842
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty, parts of the site that, as you said,

843
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: all the Humble Farmers have purchased were sold to this

844
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 3: local county outfit called the Cavalier County Job Development Authority. Yeah, yeah,

845
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 3: totally legit. The CCJDA, and they say when they purchase this,

846
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: they said, look, we want to turn this into an

847
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 3: historic visitation center. And then they got on the site

848
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: and walked around and they looked at how wrecked it was,

849
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: and they said, Okay, this might take longer than we thought.

850
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: So we don't know how far they've gone yet. It's

851
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 3: going to be extensive. We'll update if we hear more,

852
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: but for now, the site is officially locked up tight

853
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: and officially has twenty four hour surveillance, and we cannot

854
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: officially say anything about how one would or would not

855
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 3: get in.

856
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: Yes, except for the parts that remember, are probably patrolled

857
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: by folks from the Space Force which are using that

858
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: one particular radar system and several surrounding buildings.

859
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. But you can still, Okay, if you

860
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: want to get a tour and you want to be

861
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: legit without any skullduggery or noctification, then you can go

862
00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,479
Speaker 3: to one of the remote sprint launcher missile facilities. Of these.

863
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 3: They were also sold at auction, and an absolute legend

864
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 3: named mel San bought one of these in twenty thirteen.

865
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: Forget this, folks, sorry, I'm going game show less than

866
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: twenty thousand US dollars. There are cars that are more expensive.

867
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: Wow, I don't even know what to say about that.

868
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: Nice work, nice one, Mel. It makes you wonder why

869
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: Mel would do that. Besides you know the kind of

870
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 2: the standard reasons why I would want one of these,

871
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: you know, in case stuff hits that old fan.

872
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: Case.

873
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: What would you do with it, Matt, if you, you know,

874
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 4: were to win the auction.

875
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: I would make sure that there was a way for

876
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 2: myself and people that I cared about that lived hopefully

877
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: a very short drive away, if not within the facility,

878
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: could get there in time if missiles were on the way,

879
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 2: because you'd be a little safer in one of those.

880
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: That's true, Yeah, especially if you got it up to

881
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: snuff up the code. And Mel is just a fascinating character. Guys.

882
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: There's this great interview and first hand account of taking

883
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: a tour with Mel of his of his facility. You

884
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: can read it on Unfamiliar Land, And as he explained

885
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 3: to the author of Unfamiliar Land, he wanted he He's

886
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 3: working on this thing as a labor of love. It's

887
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 3: a passion project. He's doing a lot of the work himself,

888
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: and he had not really thought that anybody would be

889
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: interested in touring this piece of Cold War history. But

890
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: as he's working out in the missile field that is

891
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: his new yard, or as he's trying to clean up

892
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 3: all this scrap and salvage, people kept stopping by and saying, oh,

893
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 3: you know, hey, what's going on man, what are you

894
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: up to? So he put together a tour that sounds

895
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: really cool. If you're fan of this kind of history.

896
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 3: You get a video not as propagandistic as the video

897
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: you have to watch, you know, like going into North

898
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 3: Korea or something, but it's all about the history of

899
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: Safeguard and the history of the site, history things like

900
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: the sprint missile test, and then he walks you through

901
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: the guardroom, which is now a bedroom the control bunker.

902
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 3: We do have to stress, and Mail stresses that as

903
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: far as we know, the missile field does not contain

904
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 3: working missiles, but he hasn't yet scrounged up the capital.

905
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: He would need to unseal them and see what's inside.

906
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: They're bolted down. You look on it. It he's restored the tops,

907
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: like the end caps of these things. But that's way

908
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 3: easier than figuring out how to crack it open, especially

909
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: if you don't know the best way to close it afterwards.

910
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at a site called Cold War Tourists.

911
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, they they've got some of the best

912
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 2: imagery of the site in there, including inside. I guess

913
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 2: this is the pyramid. Uh, just looking at again where

914
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: water is seeped in and rusted a bunch of stuff,

915
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: where it just looks like a dangerous place to be,

916
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: and then imagining the other silos around the site looking

917
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: probably similar, if not worse, because this is inside a pyramid, right,

918
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: and it looks like it's haggard as all heck. And

919
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: then if you imagine going down into the ground quite

920
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: a bit, what you might you might not like what

921
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 2: you find out there.

922
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 3: No, it's it's pretty gnarly, you know. It looks like

923
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 3: the backdrop of a Ramstein or Nine Inch Nails music video, Uh,

924
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 3: to be quite honest, or Silent Hill or Silent Hill

925
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: very much so industrially ravaged. Yeah, yeah, there's something dystopian,

926
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: post apocalyptic. You can also go to the website SRMSC

927
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: dot org for more history on the site. That's pretty

928
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 3: in depth. That's gret some pictures of the heyday. It's

929
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 3: got a great explanation of the system components. It'd be

930
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: cool to hang out with Mel. Mel if you're listening,

931
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: Thank you for making this resource available to the public.

932
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: Good luck on your restoration project. Here's what we found.

933
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: For all the research we did, Mel and the other

934
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 3: locals seem to have lots of stories about the site,

935
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 3: you know, fun anecdotes, some tales of shadowy government activity,

936
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 3: like the FBI tracking down people who are trying to

937
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 3: take photographs, stuff like that, but no one has created

938
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: serious and sourced allegations of Mickelson as a site for

939
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 3: either secret quasi government activity or unfortunately, Illuminati activity. So

940
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: that's why you see the TikTok videos and someone is

941
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 3: giving you things that start out true about the history

942
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: of this site, and then they say, many people say

943
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 3: it's a stronghold for the Illuminati. That's the point where

944
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: you have to ask yourself which people specifically. It's a

945
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: bummer of a point, but it's important.

946
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hello, it might be of interest to somebody who

947
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: would build a weird pyramid structure on an island.

948
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 3: You know, might go to might be of interest to uh,

949
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: someone who would build weird structures on the moon.

950
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: You know which it looks like China is going to

951
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: beat us to the moon. Guys, I don't know if

952
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: you saw the.

953
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: Looks like China's beating us to a lot of stuff.

954
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: It looks like I do it so great here with

955
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: the whole defense.

956
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: Their drone shows the same. Yeah, yeah, dangerous theater right.

957
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: On that same site, Ben, he was looking at the

958
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: PAAR complex, that perimeter acquisition radar thing, Yeah, that Rob

959
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: Branton was talking about so much on here. It says

960
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: it can track back in the day when it was created.

961
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: It can track multiple targets the size of a basketball

962
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: at a range of two thousand miles, and it's pointed

963
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: north towards the North Pole, which means it's looking for

964
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: anything that's coming our way, you know, over that pole,

965
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: around that pole from Russia. And from that information you

966
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: can probably understand why Space Force is still so interested

967
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: in keeping this thing running.

968
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: Sure, especially also rogue armaments that may have survived in

969
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 3: former Soviet satellite states, and they've updated this. We also

970
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: have to mention that the reason it's important to track

971
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: multiple things at such a small level of size is

972
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: because a common strategy is to not launch just your

973
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: one explosive boy, but to also launch decoys less than

974
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 3: the chance that you'll be because you know already you

975
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 3: can't get everything in the sky just yet.

976
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

977
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: This is the story of the Michelson Safeguard Complex. I

978
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: think we were all fascinated to learn not only can

979
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 3: you buy a piece of Gold War history, but you

980
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 3: can get it for a song unless there's something they

981
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 3: don't want you to know. One positive note about weird

982
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 3: things weird songs. I was showing this to Dylan earlier.

983
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: Can remember. I think I may have showed you met

984
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: my crow whistle. I got a crow whistle helps you

985
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: talk to crows.

986
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 2: Yes, allegedly hear it?

987
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: Of course, No, Jesus, oh.

988
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: You a little kazoo, but like.

989
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: A little kazoo. But the crows seem to like it.

990
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: I can hear it. I can hear it.

991
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 3: It does no, I literally, it's like it's it's it's

992
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: like a call.

993
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: Not kidding. Did you order that online? Did you find

994
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: it somewhere?

995
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: Oh? The cool story would be of a crow gave

996
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: it to me right, Yes, of course. Raven was like,

997
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: let's take this relationship to the next just hand.

998
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: No.

999
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 3: I found this on some forums in the projects continue.

1000
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I want that so badly. I've been They've

1001
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: been all around this area recently, and I don't know

1002
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: what species exactly. I don't know. You know, some of

1003
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: them look much larger. So I'm just i it. I

1004
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: want to know more. You're gonna have to tell us

1005
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 2: more at some point, because once you discover what it

1006
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: can do, we need to know.

1007
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 5: Man.

1008
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure you can find one on the It's something

1009
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 3: like it on the internet, so easy, right. If not,

1010
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: we have a new business.

1011
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: I guess let's give one more shout out here to

1012
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: the State Historical Society of North Dakota and that Ronald

1013
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: Reagan Minuteman Missile State Historic Site. You can take tours

1014
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: of some of these places and get a glimpse not

1015
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: of the specific you know, the pyramid and the place

1016
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: that we talked about today, but you can get a

1017
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 2: really close look into what these systems were designed to

1018
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: do in the history of them and similar systems of

1019
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 2: this missile defense shield concept and this idea of response

1020
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: to a nuclear attack tremendously interesting. And there are a

1021
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: ton of super smart people that will just let you

1022
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: come through there for about ten bucks US.

1023
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 3: If a lot of historians man, and that ten bucks

1024
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 3: is no one's making money off of it. That's just

1025
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 3: like pay for cleaning. Also big thanks to the journalist

1026
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 3: we mentioned earlier. Mark Charboneau is the guy over at

1027
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 3: Unfamiliar Land. We talked about his experience on the tour,

1028
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: but we didn't give him a shout out specifically. There's

1029
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 3: so many sites like this all around the US. We've

1030
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 3: got some here in Georgia, some abandoned sites. There is,

1031
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: of course the Oak Ridge Historical Site. We know their

1032
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,919
Speaker 3: official historian. We met him on a weird side gig

1033
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: to find a stolen head of a statue in Tennessee.

1034
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: Whoo eh.

1035
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 3: Progress ongoing. We can't wait to hear about your strange

1036
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 3: adventures with abandoned places or places with strange uses. You

1037
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,920
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1038
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,000
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1039
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:16,960
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1040
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,920
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1041
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,920
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1044
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,240
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1045
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,080
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01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,520
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1050
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,240
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1054
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1055
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:09,600
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1056
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,120
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1057
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,800
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1058
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,680
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1059
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,120
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1060
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1061
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,720
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1062
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,920
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