WEBVTT - Popcorn

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Tracy, did you know

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm kind of obsessed with popcorn? No? I did

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<v Speaker 1>not know this. I love popcorn. I love it too,

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<v Speaker 1>like I love love it. We talked about it behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes. Yeah, let's do I you know, late lately,

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<v Speaker 1>on and off the last couple of years, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>looking at whether or not I should buy a glazing

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<v Speaker 1>machine to do like, oh fancy one theme park style

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<v Speaker 1>popcorn fun. I always back off of it and in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment of like, you don't need that. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>it is because there's only one person in my house

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<v Speaker 1>that eats popcorn. But the bottom line is that this

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<v Speaker 1>and a couple other things have made me think about

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<v Speaker 1>like popcorn. And we'll talk about it in the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode. But a lot of like what we

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<v Speaker 1>know about popcorn words, early phases, or what gets repeated,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot is flat out false, right, so, at least

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<v Speaker 1>in modern culture. So I thought it would be fun

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<v Speaker 1>to pick apart popcorn through the ages, because it goes

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<v Speaker 1>back very far but was not necessarily as prevalent in

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<v Speaker 1>place as we have been told it was. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about how it has become a huge industry. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I had not thought about the economics of why it

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<v Speaker 1>is such a profit industry, but now I have, so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about all of that today. Yeah. So the

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<v Speaker 1>use of the word corn in historical contexts, at least

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<v Speaker 1>some of the time, it can be a little deceiving

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<v Speaker 1>because corn is a word that has historically been used

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<v Speaker 1>more generally to describe all kinds of grain crops. So

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<v Speaker 1>today corn, I want to say the big lump with knobs,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's from so long ago on the Internet, it's

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<v Speaker 1>already a very dated reference, just the thing you know

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<v Speaker 1>with ears. But corn in translation of the Bible, as

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<v Speaker 1>having been in Egypt, that was probably barley. Similarly, in Britain,

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<v Speaker 1>the word corn has been used to refer to crops

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<v Speaker 1>that could include both wheat and oats. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>reading really old historical documents and there's a reference to corn,

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<v Speaker 1>it might not mean the relative of grass specifically that

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<v Speaker 1>we call corn today. Yes, because corn is grass. Corn

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<v Speaker 1>is grass. As for another reference that cuts a little deep,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's fine. I feel like many of our listeners

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<v Speaker 1>will get it. The corn that we think of today

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<v Speaker 1>using that word is a native plant species to the

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<v Speaker 1>Americas that, as Tracy said, related to grass and popping

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<v Speaker 1>corn is a specific type of maize, which is different

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<v Speaker 1>from the corn you would eat, of course, as corn

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<v Speaker 1>on the cob or in corn dishes where you eat

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<v Speaker 1>the intact popping corn has a husk that is four

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<v Speaker 1>times thicker than those other varieties, and popcorn predates the

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<v Speaker 1>other corn types, although they are all the same species,

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<v Speaker 1>so you could have flour corn, podcorn, sweetcorn, dent corn,

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<v Speaker 1>and flint corn. They're all very close genetic matches to popcorn,

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<v Speaker 1>but slightly different that were developed over time as crops

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<v Speaker 1>for their edibility, and according to Andrew Smith in his

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine book Popped Culture quote, by the time

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<v Speaker 1>Europeans encountered the New World in the late fifteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>maze was already a domesticated plant that did not grow

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<v Speaker 1>in the wild. Without human cultivation, maze did not survive yees. So,

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<v Speaker 1>just to recap maze one of the many many plants

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<v Speaker 1>native to the Americas cultivated by indigenous people now enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>world worldwide. Yes, the science of how corn pops really

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<v Speaker 1>pretty simple. That thick wall of the kernel encases a

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<v Speaker 1>little pocket of starch and moisture, and when the corn

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<v Speaker 1>is heated up, that moisture inside causes the starch to liquefy.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as boiling water expands, so does that liquefied starch,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gets that builds up enough pressure to break

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<v Speaker 1>that outer shell, rapidly expanding and re solidifying into the

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<v Speaker 1>fluffy white popcorn that we're familiar with today. When popcorn

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<v Speaker 1>is grown, every step of the process is designed to

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<v Speaker 1>ensure that you get that fluffy, popped finish. It is

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<v Speaker 1>cured on the stalk and then dried until it reaches

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen percent moisture for a long time. The oldest example

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<v Speaker 1>of popcorn ever found was estimated to be four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years old. And these are small ears that were found

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<v Speaker 1>in the bat cave of Carlsbad Caverns in New Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>in the late nineteen forties and early nineteen fifties. And

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<v Speaker 1>we say these are small ears, we're talking about two

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<v Speaker 1>inches long as the largest of the collected specimens. The

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<v Speaker 1>smallest was reported as smaller than a penny, even today,

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<v Speaker 1>if you grow popcorn, those ears are smaller than the

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<v Speaker 1>other kinds of corn we've talked about, but not quite

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<v Speaker 1>this tiny, So in any case, very dissimilar from the

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<v Speaker 1>ears of corn that you might see today. But then

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty ten, far older samples of popcorn were found

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<v Speaker 1>in Peru, and these were dated to six thy seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years ago, and they're really interesting because in that

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<v Speaker 1>case the popcorn appears to have been popped while still

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<v Speaker 1>on the cob, not from separated kernels. Delores Piperno, who

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<v Speaker 1>at the time was Curator of New World Archaeology at

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<v Speaker 1>the National Museum of Natural History in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 1>Co authored a paper on these samples that was published

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twelve. It was titled pre Ceramic Maize from

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<v Speaker 1>Paradonis and Juacapria to Peru. One in interesting conclusion in

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<v Speaker 1>this paper was the statement quote, given the scarcity and

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<v Speaker 1>discontinuous stratigraphic presence of maize macro fossils and microfossils at

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<v Speaker 1>Paradonis and Juaca Prieta and at other pre ceramic sites

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<v Speaker 1>in the region, we infer that this crop, both its

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<v Speaker 1>popcorn and flowery forms, was not a primary food staple

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<v Speaker 1>in the local diet before about forty five hundred to

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<v Speaker 1>forty two hundred CALBP. So, just in case folks aren't

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with that terminology, BP is before the present and

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<v Speaker 1>calb P is calibrated before the present. Yeah, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>type of year dating that you'll see used in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of archaeological papers. But although popcorn wasn't, according to

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<v Speaker 1>that paper, a particularly major part of the agriculture of Peru,

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<v Speaker 1>it is now believed that popcorn was being actively cultivated

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<v Speaker 1>by people of the Americas in other places as far

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<v Speaker 1>back as nine thousand years ago. Paperno gave a statement

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<v Speaker 1>in the press when this whole article was published and

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<v Speaker 1>became very popular for a minute, that it was cultivated

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<v Speaker 1>from a wild grass known as tiacinde. People that couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>grow it likely traded for it. This earlier version of

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<v Speaker 1>popcorn was also likely closer to what's called parched corn today,

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<v Speaker 1>so in some cases it wasn't popping exactly, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was being used in a way that it was dry heated,

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<v Speaker 1>so it would puff up slightly and become like a

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<v Speaker 1>crunchy thing. The Aztec culture is often invoked in popcorn

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<v Speaker 1>discussion and for good reason. Popcorn was used as food

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<v Speaker 1>and also as part of ceremonial practices. When conquistador Hernan

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<v Speaker 1>Cortes first came in contact with the Aztecs, which as

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<v Speaker 1>we know, would ultimately lead to the culture's destruction, he

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<v Speaker 1>became the first European to see popcorn and noted its

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<v Speaker 1>use for eating, as well as being strung on garlands

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<v Speaker 1>that were used as jewelry and headdresses and as decoration.

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<v Speaker 1>The automatopoetic word used by the Aztecs to represent the

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<v Speaker 1>sound of the corn popping was totapoka. Popcorn was also

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<v Speaker 1>closely associated with the Aztec ring god Toscato. A Franciscan

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<v Speaker 1>friar named Bernardino de Sahagun, who traveled to the Americas

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<v Speaker 1>in the fifteen twenties to convert the indigenous people there,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote of popcorn quote, they scattered parched corn called momahito,

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of corn which bursts when parched and discloses

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<v Speaker 1>its contents and makes itself look like a very white flower.

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<v Speaker 1>They said these were hailstones given to the god of water.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's an interesting quote because some translations of Sahagun's

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<v Speaker 1>words in this passage omit that whole reference to the

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<v Speaker 1>god of water, so it's not sure if a translator

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<v Speaker 1>added it later. Some translations described the corn grains instead

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<v Speaker 1>as simply being like scattered dice, and there's no mention

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<v Speaker 1>of a deity. Sahagoon made the effort to learn and

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<v Speaker 1>understand the Nahua language that he encountered, and to work

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<v Speaker 1>with members of the Aztec culture and gathering information for

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<v Speaker 1>his book General History of the Things of New Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesuit missionary Bernabe Cobo, who visited Peru in the early

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen hundreds, also wrote of the practice of eating popcorn there. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>they toast a certain kind of corn until it bursts.

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<v Speaker 1>That corn, which was used in confection, was called pisancaia.

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<v Speaker 1>The Spanish naturalist Felipe de Azara described a grain he

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<v Speaker 1>encountered in the Americas in the late seventeen hundreds this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote it is boiled in fat or oil, the grains

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<v Speaker 1>burst without becoming detached, and their results of superb bouquet,

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<v Speaker 1>fit to adorn a lady's hair at night without anyone

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<v Speaker 1>knowing what it was. I have often eaten these burst

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<v Speaker 1>grains and found them very good. So that's obviously an

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<v Speaker 1>example of them being popped on the cob. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons that popcorn became a staple in so many

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<v Speaker 1>American cultures over time is its longevity. Unpopped kernels or

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<v Speaker 1>dried cobs of them keep for a very very long time,

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<v Speaker 1>so they can travel and store really easily. As evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of that longevity, botanist Thomas Harper good Speed, founder of

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<v Speaker 1>the Botanical Gardens at University of California, was given a

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<v Speaker 1>gift by a colleague from Chile in the late nineteen thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pre Inca popcorn, and good Speed's curiosity about

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<v Speaker 1>them eventually got the better of him, and he tried

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<v Speaker 1>popping them. In nineteen forty one, he published a book

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<v Speaker 1>titled Plant Hunters in the Andes, and he shared the results,

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<v Speaker 1>writing quote, one evening at home in Berkeley, it occurred

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<v Speaker 1>to me to try an experiment with my kernels of

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<v Speaker 1>pre inca popcorn. I placed a few on a pie

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<v Speaker 1>tin and heated them on the electric stove. Much to

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<v Speaker 1>my surprise, that corn, which had been gathered nearly a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago, popped as readily as did last year's

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<v Speaker 1>crop that had come in a box from the shelves

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<v Speaker 1>of the neighborhood cash and carry store. I'm curious how

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<v Speaker 1>he knew that it was pre inca popcorn, right, he's

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<v Speaker 1>taking that that person's word for it is yeah, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's I had questions. And of course these travelers from

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<v Speaker 1>Europe brought maize back home with them. Spain and Italy

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<v Speaker 1>were the first places it was introduced, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>made its way to Turkey. But for a long time

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<v Speaker 1>it was used to feed animals and not humans. There

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<v Speaker 1>were very few instances of anyone in Europe trying to

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<v Speaker 1>pop it. When it got to Asia, also through Spanish colonists,

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<v Speaker 1>it was adopted more readily as a food for people,

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<v Speaker 1>including in its popped form. Yeah. I saw one mention

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<v Speaker 1>of like this one place in Romania that there may

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<v Speaker 1>be evidence that it had been popped at one point.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, obviously people eventually did adopt maize and

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<v Speaker 1>maize products into their stuff. That's why we have things

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<v Speaker 1>like polenta, but not really into it initially. While you

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<v Speaker 1>have probably heard that popcorn was served at the first

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<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving in Plymouth Colony as belooney, there is no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>to support that claim. There's a lot about the first

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<v Speaker 1>thanksgiving story that there are, and specifically the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous people giving colonists popcorn comes up in so much

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<v Speaker 1>literature that book I mentioned just a moment ago. It

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<v Speaker 1>goes through like this long list from like everyone from

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<v Speaker 1>like Jane Adams writing about it to I think Thau

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<v Speaker 1>at one point, like all of these people that perpetuated

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<v Speaker 1>this myth and made it part of that like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fuzzy, more lovable story of how those encounters worked.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like there's there's literally nothing to support, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was some mention of popcorn from colonists in the

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<v Speaker 1>mid sixteen hundreds. John Winthrop Junior made a report to

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<v Speaker 1>the Royal Society of London in sixteen sixty two that

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<v Speaker 1>included popping corn in his description of the ways that

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<v Speaker 1>Native Americans used maize, noting that they seemed to turn

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<v Speaker 1>inside out and become flower like, but he also described

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<v Speaker 1>the resulting puffs not being eaten as they were the

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<v Speaker 1>way we think of popcorn, but being ground after that

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<v Speaker 1>or beaten into a meal. One hundred years later, Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin described a similar process, with the popping being done

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<v Speaker 1>in a large iron pot with sand and then the

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<v Speaker 1>sand being sifted off before the pounding into the meal step.

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<v Speaker 1>But popcorn among the indigenous people of the East coast

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<v Speaker 1>of North America doesn't really appear to have been a

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<v Speaker 1>very big thing. It was more work to grow and

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<v Speaker 1>harder to use than other forms of maize, so it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of seems like it really didn't get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of favor. Coming up, we'll talk about reasons. It's tricky

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out exactly how popcorn got a start in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States as a nation different from the Americas

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<v Speaker 1>as a region. We'll take a quick sponsor break before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to that. Because popcorn is inexpensive and as

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<v Speaker 1>we've said, long lasting, it became somewhat of a novelty

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of folks in the early United States

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<v Speaker 1>once it had formed as a country, although there isn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually a mention of actual popcorn in writing until the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirties, when it was mentioned in a periodical called Cultivator,

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<v Speaker 1>which was geared towards farmers. According to Andrew Smith in

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<v Speaker 1>pop Culture, it's possible that in terms of European descendant

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<v Speaker 1>inhabitants of the US and the eighteen hundreds, the practice

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<v Speaker 1>of popping corn might have even come from Africa. As

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<v Speaker 1>maze made its way across Europe in the fifteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>it also moved south into Africa, but this is purely

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<v Speaker 1>a theory. The way maze spread, which was in some

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<v Speaker 1>cases tied to the slave trade, makes it actually pretty

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<v Speaker 1>hard to know who actually had it and who brought

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of popcorn into the culture of the US.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course there was popcorn in South America well

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<v Speaker 1>before any of this, so it may have just moved north.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's no real chain of evidence to clearly identify

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<v Speaker 1>how white men started popping popcorn rather than parching and

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<v Speaker 1>grinding it. The ways people popped popcorn in its early

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<v Speaker 1>adoption in the United States could vary a lot. Some

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<v Speaker 1>sound kind of arduous. There was a way similar to

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<v Speaker 1>how it would be done today by a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>folks using fat or oil in a kettle. Another method

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<v Speaker 1>was to toss kernels of popping corn into the hot

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<v Speaker 1>ashes from a fire and then all that give that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a stir to get the kernels to pop pop.

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<v Speaker 1>That meant that you had to get the popped kernels

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<v Speaker 1>out from the ash to eat it. And I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>not seeing how you don't wind up with a mouthful

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<v Speaker 1>of ash. Yeah, that's a hard pass for me. Another

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<v Speaker 1>approach was a wire box method, where kernels could be

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<v Speaker 1>placed in a wire container that was held over a fire,

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<v Speaker 1>though it may have taken a while to catch on.

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<v Speaker 1>Once popcorn was introduced to the US in its fluffy form,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of became a fad. Just a decade after

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<v Speaker 1>that reference and cultivator, the word popcorn appeared in Bartlett's

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<v Speaker 1>Dictionary of Americanism, so over a ten year period it

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten really really popular. Soon holidays celebrated in the

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<v Speaker 1>US started to have popcorn associated with them, and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of all holidays, right, like we sometimes think of popcorn

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<v Speaker 1>garlands for Christmas. I don't think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>do that, but some still do, or like popcorn balls

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<v Speaker 1>at Halloween. But it also became part of Easter traditions,

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<v Speaker 1>just popcorn, not in its candied forms Halloween traditions, and

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<v Speaker 1>this eventually led to the development of the popcorn ball

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<v Speaker 1>that I just mentioned. So a mass of popcorn held

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<v Speaker 1>together by a sugarcoating not only eaten as a treat,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were also used as decor. In some cases,

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<v Speaker 1>you could even buy molds and gadgets that would help

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<v Speaker 1>shape candy coated popcorn into decorative shapes, so you could

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<v Speaker 1>make a little ornament by this. By the eighteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>popcorn recipes started appearing in cookbooks. They often included ways

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<v Speaker 1>to make sweet treats or desserts with it. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>so much savory stuff going on at that point. When

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<v Speaker 1>the steel plow was invented in the mid eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>that made growing popcorn even easier, and the crop became

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<v Speaker 1>even more popular. Became easier to cut the stalks which

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<v Speaker 1>were really starty. This is what led to the development

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<v Speaker 1>of the corn belts. It was during the latter half

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<v Speaker 1>of the eighteen hundreds that popcorn was also adopted by

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<v Speaker 1>healthy living advocates. Dietitian Ella Kellogg, the wife of John

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Kellogg, used popcorn as a breakfast cereal, eating it

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<v Speaker 1>with milk. She thought popcorn should be incorporated as a

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<v Speaker 1>dish at just about any meal. At that point, popcorn

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<v Speaker 1>was readily available in just about every grocery, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was also routinely sold as a treat at sporting events

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<v Speaker 1>and circuses. In eighteen seventy five, Frederick J. Myers of Govington, Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>filed a patent for a corn popper that enabled the

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<v Speaker 1>user to keep from burning their hand the handle of

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<v Speaker 1>the device stayed cool to the touch. His improvement in

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<v Speaker 1>corn poppers didn't involve any kind of revolutionary materials or

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<v Speaker 1>thermodynamic tricks. You could just detach the handle while the

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<v Speaker 1>corn was over the heat source and then reattach it

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<v Speaker 1>to pull the poppedcorn out. Ten years after Meyer's patent,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Creeters enters the story, and he's a significant figure

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<v Speaker 1>in popcorn's US history. Creators owned a candy store, and

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<v Speaker 1>as he sought to expand his offerings, he ordered a

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<v Speaker 1>peanut roaster for his shop so he could sell fresh

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<v Speaker 1>roasted nuts alongside his candy. He didn't actually like the roaster, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and started taking it apart to see if he could

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<v Speaker 1>improve on it somehow. In the tinkering, Creators expanded his

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<v Speaker 1>vision to invent a new roaster instead of just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to fix the one he purchased and didn't like. Around

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, he realized he could design a machine

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<v Speaker 1>that would pop popcorn as well as roast peanuts, and

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.600
<v Speaker 1>that he could use it to roast coffee beans. As well.

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<v Speaker 1>He ended up building roasters in a variety of sizes

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<v Speaker 1>to fit different needs. Creators used steam to run his machinery,

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<v Speaker 1>which gave consistent power and in the case of the popcorn,

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<v Speaker 1>that meant it would heat evenly and produce consistent batches

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<v Speaker 1>of white, fluffy popcorn. He popped that in a mixture

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<v Speaker 1>of lard and clarified butter. The steam was then used

0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to keep the popped popcorn warm. He was able to

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<v Speaker 1>add seasonings before popping, and that would stick to the

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<v Speaker 1>kernels as they exploded. Soon he was selling roasting machines

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<v Speaker 1>to other entrepreneurs instead of selling candy. In eighteen ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>Creators exhibited at the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago. Popular

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<v Speaker 1>Mechanics reported on the popcorn machine on wheels that he

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<v Speaker 1>had on display, which was marketed to grocery stores, initially

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<v Speaker 1>as something that they could move in or out of

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<v Speaker 1>the building as proprietors wished. According to that write up

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<v Speaker 1>in Popular Mechanics quote, this machine was designed with the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of moving it about to any location where the

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<v Speaker 1>operator would be likely to do a good business. The apparatus,

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<v Speaker 1>which is light and strong and weighing, but four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>or five hundred pounds can be drawn readily by a

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<v Speaker 1>boy or by a small pony to any picnic ground, fair,

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<v Speaker 1>political rally, etc. And to many other places where a

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<v Speaker 1>good business could be done for a day or two.

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<v Speaker 1>After kind of a slow start at the expo where

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't get people interested, Creators just started making bags

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<v Speaker 1>of popcorn to give away, and then that freebee plus

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<v Speaker 1>the smell of popcorn popping, made the crowd show up.

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<v Speaker 1>He eventually started selling the popcorn, and he made a

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<v Speaker 1>nice sum over the course of the exposition, and the

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<v Speaker 1>success of his popcorn sales also inspired the sales of

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<v Speaker 1>his mobile popcorn machine, which he called the earn More,

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<v Speaker 1>and this launched an entirely new field of mobile food vending.

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<v Speaker 1>While people have sold food on foot for centuries, We've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it so many times, this was new in

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<v Speaker 1>that the food could be prepared on the spot wherever

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<v Speaker 1>the vendor went. Other manufacturers of nut roasting machines hustled

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<v Speaker 1>to get in on this new popcorn market by making

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<v Speaker 1>poppers similar to creets. The creater's company, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>still exists today, and it still manufactures concession equipment of

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds. As Creaters was working on his popping machine,

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<v Speaker 1>commercially produced popcorn became available at retail. Up until the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighties, people who made popcorn were usually growing their

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<v Speaker 1>own or getting it in places like farmer's markets, but

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen eighties the Albert Dickinson Company started offering

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<v Speaker 1>prepackaged popcorn with the branding names of Big Buster and

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<v Speaker 1>Little Bust. Similarly, other people besides Creators were working to

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<v Speaker 1>innovate in the corn popping arena. One of Creeter's employees,

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<v Speaker 1>C F. Dunbar, left the company to start his own

0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:15.040
<v Speaker 1>popcorn machine business, and he invented a machine that would

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<v Speaker 1>pop the popcorn dry without any oil and then pass

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<v Speaker 1>it through an automated butter dispenser. The first patent for

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<v Speaker 1>a machine that would coat popcorn with a sugar glaze

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<v Speaker 1>to keep each popped kernel fresh was filed by a

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<v Speaker 1>man named James Voods. This machine kept those popkernels separate

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<v Speaker 1>from one another, so each one could dry with the

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<v Speaker 1>coating without clumping up into a ball. Frederick and Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>Rookheim of Germany developed a hand held popper that gave

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<v Speaker 1>them the capability to flavor each small batch however they wished.

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<v Speaker 1>The Rookheims are also responsible for introducing an enduring snack brand,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Crackerjack. Crackerjack, in case anybody in our listening

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<v Speaker 1>audience has not had it, combines popcorn and peanuts. The

0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:04.480
<v Speaker 1>molasses coating Crackerjack was such a huge hit that copycat

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<v Speaker 1>recipes started showing up in cookbooks not long after its introduction.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, because of the low cost, popcorn has endured

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<v Speaker 1>in popularity through various economic downturns. During the Great Depression,

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<v Speaker 1>popcorn became one of the few treats that families could

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<v Speaker 1>still afford. It was kind of an austerity luxury, and

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<v Speaker 1>it also meant that companies that sold popcorn fared better

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<v Speaker 1>during the Great Depression than other industries as popcorn sales

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<v Speaker 1>continued to rise. The depression also led to one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most common associations we have with popcorn, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>being a movie theater snack. This was a cost effective

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<v Speaker 1>way for theater owners to offer some kind of snack

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<v Speaker 1>that overhead was very low. But not all theaters were

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<v Speaker 1>on board with the popcorn boom. Initially, some of them

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<v Speaker 1>feared rightfully as Anybody who has ever left a theater

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of a movie has seen that it

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<v Speaker 1>would make messes. Sometimes people intentionally make bigger messes with it.

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<v Speaker 1>There had also just been a push within the industry

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<v Speaker 1>to create a luxury experience that popcorn and other snacks

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't really match with. But it was so popular already

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<v Speaker 1>as a low cost snack that popcorn sellers started to

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<v Speaker 1>pop up adjacent to theaters, having moved there from sporting

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<v Speaker 1>events and carnivals, so patrons could buy a bag on

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<v Speaker 1>their way into the theater. Eventually, theater owners recognized that

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<v Speaker 1>they were losing a potential revenue stream and started offering

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<v Speaker 1>popcorn in their establishments. In many theaters, this began as

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<v Speaker 1>a rental arrangement with the vendors who had once been outside,

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<v Speaker 1>but overtime theaters introduced their own snack counters and handled

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<v Speaker 1>their own concessions. And of course most won't let you

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<v Speaker 1>bring a whole bag of popcorn in with you unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're really sly, and then they're still take you to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. But you know, I'm not going to comment

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<v Speaker 1>on that anyway. Another world event that further solidified popcorns

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<v Speaker 1>hold on the US the snack market was World War II.

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<v Speaker 1>Sugar was ration in World War Two. It was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first things to be ration The supply lines

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<v Speaker 1>that the continental US got sugar through were the Philippines, Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico, and the US Virgin Islands, all of which

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<v Speaker 1>were theaters of war, so those supply lines were essentially cut. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>what sugar there was was often sent overseas for troops.

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<v Speaker 1>The amount of sugar allowed through rationing was half of

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<v Speaker 1>what most households used on average. Because of the sugar shortage,

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<v Speaker 1>savory popcorn once again had a surge of popularity as

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<v Speaker 1>a snack that was readily available and could be eaten

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<v Speaker 1>without sugar. Reportedly, popcorn consumption in the US tripled in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen forties. Coming up, we'll talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>the invention of television caused popcorn's popularity to dip for

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But first we will hear from some

0:25:51.880 --> 0:26:05.640
<v Speaker 1>sponsors that keep the show going. Okay, we will finally

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<v Speaker 1>get to an important historical moment that actually hurt popcorn

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<v Speaker 1>sales at least for a little while, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>advent of television. As people adopted the new technology at home,

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<v Speaker 1>they made big use of it as an entertainment investment,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a consequence, movie theaters saw a drop in

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<v Speaker 1>ticket sales and thus popcorn sales also declined at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>In this moment, popcorn was usually, though not always, a

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<v Speaker 1>treat that people would eat when they went out. People

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely did continue to make popcorn at home, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was no longer the primary way that most popcorn was consumed.

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<v Speaker 1>But that shift to home entertainment brought about by the

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<v Speaker 1>rise of television shifted things once again for popcorn two,

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<v Speaker 1>because then after a while, they missed that popcorn, and

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<v Speaker 1>it became more and more common again for families to

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<v Speaker 1>make popcorn themselves at home to eat while watching TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Another icon of popcorn's popularity in the US was Orville Reddenbacker.

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<v Speaker 1>Redenbacker was born in Brazil, Indiana, on July sixteenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh seven. His parents were corn farmers, and Orville grow

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 1>up to work as a Farm Bureau extension agent. After

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 1>graduating from Purdue University with a degree in agronomy, he

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>also opened his own very successful fertilizer company. But popcorn

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>had always been his favorite treat, and he had dabbled

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 1>for years with the idea of creating a perfect popping corn.

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<v Speaker 1>By their early nineteen seventies, Reddenbacher was ready to turn

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>that hobby into a business. He had developed a strain

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<v Speaker 1>of corn that he felt was absolutely perfect for popping,

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<v Speaker 1>and he partnered with a man named Charlie Bowman to

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<v Speaker 1>launch a company to sell it. And the popcorn was

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 1>originally named as a portmanteau of the two men's names.

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<v Speaker 1>It was called red bow but by the time they

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<v Speaker 1>started selling it it was Orville Reddenbacker Popcorn. To name

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>change that he said was based on advice from an

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>advertising firm. There's a very funny David Letterman clip of

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>him explaining this thing if you ever want to go

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>hunting for it online. It was a very small company

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 1>to start. Orville initially was selling the popcorn out of

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.919
<v Speaker 1>his car, but in nineteen seventy two there was a

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>huge ad campaign. Orville starred in the commercials right alongside

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:29.000
<v Speaker 1>his popcorn, and soon he became really well recognized. Although

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:31.920
<v Speaker 1>he was so associated with the commercials that a lot

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 1>of people thought he was an actor portraying the character

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>of Orvile Redbacker, not like actually the man that the

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 1>product was named for. Regardless of whether consumers understood the

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>importance of the company's commercial spokesman, Orville Reddenbacker, popcorn became

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>a huge seller. And then there was, of course, the

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>microwave of it. So the microwave, which we talked about before,

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>was the brainchild of Percy, who worked for Raytheon Manufacturing Corporation,

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.959
<v Speaker 1>which producer reported eighty percent of the magnetrons used by

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the Allied forces in World War II. In a meeting

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 1>where the executives of Raytheon were trying to come up

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>with ways to keep the company's momentum going in peacetime,

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Spencer suggested that magnetrons might be used to cook food.

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Spencer was really well respected. His work had been what

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>enabled Raytheon to produce magnetrons at the scale needed to

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 1>support the war effort, so they took his idea to

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>heart and started experimenting with food. We've talked before about

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Spencer and that great story about how he realized that

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>microwaves could heat food when a candy bar in his

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>pocket melted while he was working in the lab one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Building on that food lore, popcorn didn't just benefit from

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the transition of microwave technology into home use. It was

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 1>also an important part of developing it. Percy Spencer used

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>popcorn to test what would happen to it when it

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>was exposed to the magne tron. After this whole melting

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>candy bar incident, he said to have ended up with

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 1>popped kernels flying all over the lab. Although the development

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>of the microwave began in the nineteen forties, it didn't

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>really become widely appealing to home consumers for several decades.

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>But once that new technology was integrated into a lot

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>of people's household lives, manufacturers sought ways to capitalize on it,

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>and they started developing popcorn specifically designed for microwave use,

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and microwave popcorn is one of those oddities that was

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 1>embraced by consumers really quickly. Microwave popcorn got a boost

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>from the huge surge in fitness enthusiasm in the nineteen eighties.

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty healthy treat. It has a low calorie

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and sodium count, and it offers a lot of fiber.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>So just as more and more households were getting microwaves,

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>a large portion of those households were interested in popcorn.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it was just because it's an easy tasty treat

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>or because they saw it as healthier than other options.

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I will say that sodium number can really vary depending well.

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Popcorn on its own right, no, very little sodium, very little.

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>But if it's covered in salty butter, if with the

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>national salt, that changes. In a nineteen eighty seven article

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 1>in The New York Times titled microwave key to popcorn War,

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 1>it was noted that quote five years ago, microwave popcorn

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>did not exist. In nineteen eighty three, the first full

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>year that microwave popcorn was available nationally, it generated retail

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>sales of fifty three million dollars according to Packaged Facts,

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>a New York based consumer research concern. Last year, consumers

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>popped and estimated two hundred and fifty million dollars worth

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff according to the Popcorn Institute, a Chicago

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>based trade group. Yeah, that's huge growth over a five

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>year period. That article also noted that Orville Reddenbacher, who

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>at that point was the undisputed king of home use

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>popcorn brand for more than a decade, was suddenly in

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>competition with companies like Pillsbury, General Mills, and Nabisco, which

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>had all launched their own microwave popcorn products. The article

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>then quoted then GM of General Mills Donald Newtson as

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>saying of their microwave popcorn pop secret quote, this is

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>easily the hottest microwave product General Mills has ever introduced.

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>The article also mentions cost and that even though microwave

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>popcorn costs more than twice as much as regular popcorn,

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>consumers seemed to be happy to pay that for the convenience.

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 1>But we should note that though Reddenbacher had competition, and

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>that was the whole crux of this article, that brand,

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>which was owned by the Beatrice Company in nineteen eighty seven,

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>had been selling microwave popcorn since nineteen eighty three, and

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>it was still the leading brand on the market when

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Orbal Reddenbacher died in nineteen ninety five, his popcorn accounted

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>for forty five percent of the market. Citing market experts,

0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>that article also predicted that a few brands would survive

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>and thrive, but all other microwave popcorn makers would fall away.

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 1>This was way off base given the situation at most

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 1>grocery stores these days, where there are dozens of options

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>for microwave popcorn and many other products. Also ay off

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>base was a quote from Deborah A. Koom who was

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>manager of popcorn popper manufacturer West Bend Company. According to

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 1>her quote, microwave popcorn is a fad. It will last

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 1>until people read labels and realize what chemicals microwave manufacturers

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>put into their popcorn. Microwave popcorn did lose some market

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 1>share to pre popped popcorn in the early twenty teens,

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>but it's still around. It's not a fad. Popcorn is,

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>in fact, such an enduring treat that it enabled some

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 1>movie theaters to stay afloat even when no movies were

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>showing during the early days of the pandemic. Twenty twenty

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.320
<v Speaker 1>three rate up at Sirius Eats, the co owner of

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 1>a theater in Parkridge, Illinois named Dave Loomos talked about

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>his company's use of popcorn to maintain business. He said, quote,

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.839
<v Speaker 1>we had our doors closed and no income coming in.

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>We decided to do curb side popcorn pickup to see

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>how it would go, and we've been doing that for

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the past couple of weeks and it seems like it's

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:24.919
<v Speaker 1>well received. That's very smart, in my opinion. I think

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 1>so too. Popcorn once again had a huge surge when

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>the COVID nineteen pandemic began because people wanted to replicate

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>movie night at home. Grocery Store popcorn sales ROSA reported

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 1>thirty percent. In twenty twenty one, the global popcorn market

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:45.919
<v Speaker 1>was estimated to be worth five point two billion dollars.

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>It's expected to continue on a growth trajectory into twenty thirty.

0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>One of the largest drivers today is the ready to

0:34:54.160 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 1>eat popcorn market and particularly gourmet flavors of pre popped popcorn. Oh, popcorn,

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I love you, mm hmmm ah. I will talk in

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:10.919
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes on Friday about popcorn. Yeah, Ada, super will.

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited popcorn. I have a listener mail from our listener, Trenna.

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 1>tRNA writes, Hi, Tracy and Holly. First, of course, I

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>am a longtime listener and fan, but first time emailer.

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I love the podcast and often listen when I'm driving

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>for a number of hours, so I get both episodes

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 1>and the behind the scenes all in one swoop. I'm

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 1>finally writing because it seems that all of the stars

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>aligned to compel me to say how thankful I am

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.839
<v Speaker 1>for your podcast. As a history major, I loved hearing

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the behind the scenes, so to speak, regarding the famous

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 1>people of our past. So, just after listening to your

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>episode on Vinnie Reem, I went to Washington, D C.

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 1>For a friend's birthday. I really wanted to see the statue,

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately all of the tours of the Capitol Building

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>were sold out. Instead, I spent many an hour touring

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>all of the monuments and tributes include Washington Memorial, Lincoln Memorial,

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>World War One and two memorials, Korean War Memorial, Vietnam Memorial,

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 1>African American History Museum, which is an amazing museum if

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you've never been. That's my input. Harriet Tubman Museum in Cambridge,

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.760
<v Speaker 1>in many more places. My last tour that I crammed

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>in that day I was leaving, but I could not

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 1>leave without seeing Arlington. I took a two hour walking

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>tour that included JFK Memorial and his Brothers and Justice Ginsburg,

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Thurgood Marshall, and many more. I was disappointed to not

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 1>see any statue, but our tour guide pointed out a

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>grave site and asked anyone if they knew who they were.

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.720
<v Speaker 1>It was Jimmy Doolittle and I was like horsehack dating

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>myself here because of course I listened to the episode.

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I took a picture of the tomb to include in

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>this email, just to send you thank you so much

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 1>for what you do. I love listening to the funny

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>parts of the story and how you both crack up

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.719
<v Speaker 1>at the sillier side of things. So to that end,

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>my poor old kiddy died last year after a very

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>long life, so I'm including a picture of another funny

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<v Speaker 1>episode from my past background. My husband and I had

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 1>two dogs who were BFFs forever. When the older one,

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Mac died, my poor little miniature Docsin was heartbroken, following

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>me everywhere. So I had the bright idea of adopting

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 1>another docs in to keep him company. I found a

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>rescue on a website and thought she was adorable. We

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 1>went out to meet her with Winston to see if

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 1>they were compatible. They appeared to get along well, so

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I said we will take her, at which point the

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:27.799
<v Speaker 1>rescue center told me about her mother. Apparently the two

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 1>were living in a car with a bunch of other

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 1>dogs and they were all rescued and no one had

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>come forward for the mother, who she had been with

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>her whole life. Yep, you guessed it. I'm a sucker,

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<v Speaker 1>so I said, give me the mom too. I love

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<v Speaker 1>you for this. Well two weeks later, I'm sitting on

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 1>our sofa and the younger one goes crazy, running all

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 1>over and up and down the stairs, pulling down the

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.800
<v Speaker 1>afghans and blankets, and I didn't know what to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty minutes later, I hear a muling noise. I got

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 1>up to look, and yes, you guessed it, there was

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 1>a puppy on the couch. I called to my husband calmly,

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, honey, I have a problem. After back and

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 1>forth about yes, really, there is a puppy on our couch,

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.240
<v Speaker 1>he dove in and helped deliver the rest of the pups.

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course, it was a Sunday, so no vets were open.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, we navigated the delivery of three puppies

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 1>within two days. One of my best friends came over

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and said how cute the puppies were. Then she looked

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 1>at the mom and said, I'll have one of hers.

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I said she's not pregnant, and my friends said, yes,

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>she is. Sure enough. My husband took mom to the

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 1>vet the next day, and four puppies were in our future.

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<v Speaker 1>So long story, short, we went from one dog to

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>ten dogs in about a month. Here's a picture of

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>my miniature docs in with the puppies. Who doesn't love

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<v Speaker 1>a snuggle. Looking forward to seeing you in Indianapolis, Trena. One,

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.879
<v Speaker 1>I love you for taking care of all of these bibbis. Two,

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I love you for adopting a mom. That's always my

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.399
<v Speaker 1>thing on Mother's Day. Adopt the mom. Animals they don't

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>get taken in the puppies and kittens always do and

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 1>they often sit in shelters, So hooray for you. Thank

0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>you for that. And also I have been at a

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 1>puppy delivery and it's a lot of work, and like

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<v Speaker 1>my hat is off to you, so thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for accidentally segueing us to being able to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about our live show in Indiana. Yeah're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>at the Indiana Historical Society on July nineteenth, so if

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<v Speaker 1>you would like to see stuff you missed in history

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<v Speaker 1>Class live, it is a seven thirty to eight thirty

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:19.800
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<v Speaker 1>It is thirty dollars if you're a member. It's twenty

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<v Speaker 1>dollars if you're only going to the show. There's another

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<v Speaker 1>a meet and greet, so we would love to see

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<v Speaker 1>dot indianahistory dot org slash events and you'll see it

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<v Speaker 1>right there, and we will be there, and Trent and

0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I will hug you for taking care of all of

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 1>those dogs, because thank you for doing it. They're so cute.

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 1>This is also the wonderful mystery and surprise sometimes of

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:59.240
<v Speaker 1>adopting rescue animals from shelters. Different shelters have different levels

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:02.360
<v Speaker 1>of care they're able to give before adoption. Sometimes you

0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 1>get a surprise. One of my previous cats, who is

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:11.439
<v Speaker 1>no longer with me, was the mom and they had

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>found homes for all the babies, and then Villain l

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 1>came to live with me for the next decade ish.

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<v Speaker 1>More than that, she was a cute little shy thing. Yeah, yeah,

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