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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho, I'm Daniel Henderson,

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Speaker 1: and hey girl, what's hey?

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Speaker 2: How you doing? I'm good.

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Speaker 1: We're here to talk about movies again. I know it's

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Speaker 1: it's a thing we do, but yeah, I was. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with you.

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Speaker 3: I've been doing okay. I'm doing okay.

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Speaker 4: I've actually been like carving out time to read and

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Speaker 4: I'm writing my next book, which is going to be

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Speaker 4: about the four years I lived in Alaska.

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Speaker 3: And it's kind of great because my first.

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Speaker 4: So my first book was a memoir, it was very chronological,

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Speaker 4: and I think this book is going to be essays,

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Speaker 4: which is so much easier to write. And it's bizarre

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Speaker 4: how much easier, How something could feel easier to write,

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Speaker 4: But then I realize, like, oh, I'm not mining my

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Speaker 4: deepest childhood issues, so of course it's going to be

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Speaker 4: easier to write.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And is it the idea that it's an essay form?

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Speaker 1: Is it kind of it's that you can tell the

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Speaker 1: story in smaller pieces and that feels more manageable or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it doesn't have to be chronological, so I

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Speaker 4: don't have I'm not going to have to be like

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Speaker 4: pressed to remember very specific dates and times and you

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Speaker 4: know all that stuff. I can kind of just tell

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Speaker 4: the funny story and have that be that. So I'm

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Speaker 4: very excited about that. And I think it's weird that

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Speaker 4: in the course of my day, even though writing is

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Speaker 4: my profession, I have to carve out time to do

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Speaker 4: it amongst all the other crap I do during the day.

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Speaker 3: Do you write every day or I try to?

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Speaker 4: Like I try to write for myself every day, so

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Speaker 4: I have a journal that I write in every day,

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Speaker 4: but it's hard to find time to write for work.

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Speaker 4: It's really it's really weird. It's really weird, but I

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Speaker 4: think it's weird. It's weirder still, I've got to stop

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Speaker 4: saying weird to sit like twenty five times, that's weird.

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Speaker 4: I do know words, it's weird, but I know words.

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Speaker 4: I think that what I'm noticing is that it's even

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Speaker 4: though it's harder to carve time out, it's easier to

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Speaker 4: write when I sit down to do it because I'm

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Speaker 4: just so much more calm here, Like it's actually as

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Speaker 4: peaceful as I imagined it would be, so that's really

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Speaker 4: really nice that I get to just kind of sit

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Speaker 4: it's always nice and it feels better, like it feels

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Speaker 4: better doing the actual process of writing.

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Speaker 3: And I got my library kind of almost done. I know.

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Speaker 3: I saw.

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Speaker 1: You're famously a person that has set on this podcast

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Speaker 1: many times that you refuse to show the inside of

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Speaker 1: your house to people, right, yes, And that's one of

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Speaker 1: the best things about you. God, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: I love that level of like dedication to mystery. But

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Speaker 1: when you and I were having a meeting, like you

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Speaker 1: and I meet every week just to kind of, you know,

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Speaker 1: chit chat. I mean, we talk as friends all the time,

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Speaker 1: but then we actually sit down and have like a

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Speaker 1: weekly meeting to discuss the podcast and just other work stuff.

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Speaker 1: And you usually do your zoom from outside, which I

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Speaker 1: love because it's so like beautiful and bucolic, and there's

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Speaker 1: like sometimes animals in the background, and I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: where the fuck is this paradise because I'm not in

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Speaker 1: that environment whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: And I usually do them from outside because that is

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Speaker 4: where I get the best internet service in my house.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I can take every phone call out there.

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Speaker 1: Every zoom call, I will tell you right now without

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Speaker 1: revealing the location of where I live. If I went

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Speaker 1: neighbors broken down ice cream truck.

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Speaker 3: So quite a different scene. That would be the best

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Speaker 3: zoom background.

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Speaker 4: And they would telegraph so much like, how's Millie feeling today?

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Speaker 3: Why is she in a junkyard from work?

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Speaker 1: Who was selling a rusty Choco taco next to her face?

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Speaker 1: So for whatever reason this past meeting we had, you

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Speaker 1: did it inside and it was in the library. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I mean, I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, where is she? She must be like the

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Speaker 1: Library of Congress or something. It looks so gorgeous in there.

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Speaker 1: And they were like, oh, these are my new shelves

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Speaker 1: built ins, right, they were built ins.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had these custom bookcases made. There's a room

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Speaker 4: I thought, you know what, when I saw this house

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Speaker 4: and I looked at that room, I said, you know,

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Speaker 4: I have always wanted my own library, and I'm going.

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Speaker 3: To get it.

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Speaker 4: Hell, and I budgeted for it, and I called a

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Speaker 4: local woodworker and he was so lovely and so skilled

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Speaker 4: with his wife, like she helped him unload from the truck,

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Speaker 4: and I was like.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to sell her? Do you want to

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Speaker 4: They were adorable and yeah, and the measurements were perfect,

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Speaker 4: but I asked him to use paint graye wood so

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Speaker 4: I could paint them myself. And I painted the room black,

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Speaker 4: the ceiling and the walls yes, and then I painted

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Speaker 4: the front showing, so it just looks really nice and

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Speaker 4: comfortable and cozy. And that's exactly what I wanted, Like

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Speaker 4: I wanted a dark, cozy room to read in. And

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Speaker 4: because my eyes are always I'm gonna be wearing glasses

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Speaker 4: for the rest of my life. I got a nice

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Speaker 4: always have a bright spot when I read. But the

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Speaker 4: rest of the room is cozy, and the best part

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Speaker 4: of the library which I can't show anyone yet, not

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Speaker 4: even you, but I will when I can. I am

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Speaker 4: having the I finally found a fucking contractor who returned

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Speaker 4: my calls and showed up to my house. It has

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Speaker 4: been the bane of my existence the past three months

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Speaker 3: Here and do any work. And I think they're.

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Speaker 4: Overwhelmed because I'm like, hey, I got like a bunch

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Speaker 4: just go through the list and I have stopped doing that.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, Hi, I have a house I want

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Speaker 5: By You'll see when you get here if you want

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Speaker 5: this great contractor who ps. At the end of our meeting,

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Speaker 5: he was like he looked at the library, and he

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Speaker 5: was like, what do you do for a living? Like,

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Speaker 5: I guess get the feeling that people don't see books

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Speaker 5: here a lot, because even the woodworker was like, I

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Speaker 5: don't build bookcases a lot anymore. So he looked in

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Speaker 5: for a living, And I was like, I am a writer.

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Speaker 5: I write for television and I write books. And he's like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I used to be a child actor. And I was like, huh,

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Speaker 5: and he's like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my first movie was Sweet Charity with Shirley Maclain.

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Speaker 4: What and he was yeah, And he's like and I

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Speaker 4: was in network what And I was like, huh, Like

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Speaker 4: I also have a fucking movie podcast.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 4: But he's just he's so sweet and so fun and

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Speaker 4: he's going to frame out in the library. There's a

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Speaker 4: closet in the back corner of a wall, and everyone,

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Speaker 4: this is the thing about my house. Everything that was

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Speaker 4: previous owner, they did it themselves, but they had like

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Speaker 4: no sense of aesthetic. It looked like everything was done

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Speaker 4: in a fever. So every closet in this house is

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Speaker 4: is depressing. I can't So I'm taking the closet out,

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Speaker 4: and this contractor is going to frame out that wall.

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Speaker 3: And then the guy who.

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Speaker 4: Built my bookcases is building me a secret door. Well,

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Speaker 4: I guess not so secret anymore door, so it'll look

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Speaker 4: flush like it'll continue to look like a flush bookcase.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: But then when you.

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Speaker 4: Press a secret lever boot, that thing's gonna pop open.

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Speaker 4: And I'm gonna put a little reading bench and a

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Speaker 4: lamp in there for my goddaughter.

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Speaker 2: Damn man, that's the fucking dream.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like she's into like mystery secret stuff right now,

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Speaker 4: so I feel like I'll do that for her for now.

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Speaker 1: And you're doing it for you. Don't get it twisted.

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Speaker 1: You want a secret headquarters.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm gonna like when when she's sick of it,

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna like put a lock on the inside,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be like me, me and Carrot. Put car

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Speaker 3: you in two years you need your.

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Speaker 1: Like secret knives out layer, Like, yeah, who wouldn't get that?

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Speaker 1: So it's for your god daughter, but it's for you too.

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Speaker 3: But it's for me too.

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Speaker 1: And uh it is like a level of the game

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Speaker 1: I could only dream to have built in bookcases at

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Speaker 1: this point because I'm not quite doing like the college

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Speaker 4: Like that, like cinder blocks and a blank yes, or.

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Speaker 1: Two by fours with like one of my old roommates

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Speaker 1: used to do you know those like frosted tiles that

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Speaker 1: they put like sometimes in eighties bathrooms.

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Speaker 2: Yes, those like little square like.

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Speaker 3: Those big cube ti.

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Speaker 1: One of my roommates in college she had a shelf

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not quite doing that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not at like built ins yet because I

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Speaker 1: still rent, so I'm not gonna like build fucking bookcases

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Speaker 1: in a house that I don't own.

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Speaker 4: No, But when you when you buy a house, I

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Speaker 4: think like when you're ready, it's a nice, it's a

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Speaker 4: nice it's just nice to do to still kind of

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Speaker 4: do that room of your own thing. Like I try

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Speaker 4: to live in the whole house as much as I can,

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Speaker 4: but I like having a little cozy space and I

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Speaker 4: But it's kind of nice to think that, like that's

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Speaker 4: what I wanted, that's what I did, like I was

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Speaker 4: able to. It's a reminder to me that, you know,

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Speaker 4: all on my own, and like, I just feel proud

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Speaker 1: Good for you, I mean, honestly, Like, who's the designer

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Speaker 1: that had the famous is it Carl Lagerfeld who had

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Speaker 1: the famous bookshelves?

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Speaker 2: You know Florida.

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Speaker 1: Sailing not just like a ten foot sailing, but even

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a good thing. Also, I had

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Speaker 2: Where are you?

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Speaker 3: And then I made.

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Speaker 4: Sure to add that if they're trying to protect the

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Speaker 3: It just sucked.

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Speaker 4: That like I had to feel that way, and that

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Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like I don't have any kind of

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Speaker 1: I totally totally love that you call them out on it.

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Speaker 1: And you are a member of that community. You pay taxes,

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Speaker 3: And it was.

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Speaker 4: It would have been different if I hadn't looked out

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Speaker 3: I'll be the town weirdo. That's the thing.

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Speaker 4: When he was like, yeah, I stand with you, and

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Speaker 3: You were patrolling my house.

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Speaker 4: And it's not like I have like a fucking life

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Speaker 3: It's like, hey, black lady lives.

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Speaker 1: He introduce yourself as a person that patrols the community. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: once you introduce yourself, you know that I'm a black woman,

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm exactly.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that you went through that, man, Like, honestly,

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Speaker 3: So oh yeah, I mean I trust me. I went down.

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Speaker 4: I was like, like, make sure this shit's on.

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Speaker 4: It was actually kind of it was unfortunate that I

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Speaker 4: So that's good to know. They'd be like, oh, was

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: And when you can't do shit about that, when.

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Speaker 4: Chauncey shows up like fucking West Side Story, I clapping

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Speaker 3: I think we should start talking about our movies.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, it's finally time to reveal the theme.

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna reveal it, and then I gotta explain a

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Speaker 3: Okay, I understand that.

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Speaker 1: So our theme this week is called more Trouble than

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Speaker 1: It's Worth, all right, so let me explain a little

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Speaker 1: bit perhaps, m hm. So all of us are informed

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Speaker 1: think we wanted to talk about this concept or this

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00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: idea and try to like unpack it a little bit.

443
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Speaker 3: Yes.

444
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: And for both of these movies, they're taking place in

445
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 1: a specific era.

446
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 2: In the nineties.

447
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: It just happens to be an era that Danielle and

448
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: I know a lot about because we came of.

449
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: Age in that time. We lived it, we lived it.

450
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: And I also think too that like there was sort

451
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Speaker 1: of this like kind of there was a lot of

452
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Speaker 1: movies about this, I think in the nineties, right, because

453
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about and it's not just three sums, right,

454
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: meaning this isn't just about like three people who are

455
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: having sex. Sometimes it's like a love triangle. Sometimes it's

456
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: like three people who are involved in some kind of

457
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: relationship or sexual situation and maybe no one, like they're

458
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 1: not all sleeping together necessarily. I think it's what I.

459
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Speaker 4: Mean, right, Yeah, the nineties had a lot of movies

460
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 4: that were just like sex, what's up?

461
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 5: But that?

462
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know there was stuff like there was

463
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: a movie called Threeesome, actually called Threesome that I think

464
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: had like Laura Flynn Boyle in it and Josh Charles,

465
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: when we've talked about on this podcast many times, and

466
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: stuff like wild Things. And then I realized that, I

467
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever read this book, but do

468
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: you remember the book The Ethical Slut?

469
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

470
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: Did you ever read that book?

471
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: I read it like in the early two thousands, but

472
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: that book came out I think in the late nineties. Yeah,

473
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: And so part of me wondered if this was sort

474
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: of something that people were just wanting to talk about,

475
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: because I mean, obviously the concept of three sums and

476
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: love triangles is not It's not new, right, It's been

477
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: happening since is the beginning of time, arguably, but.

478
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: Since BOMPEII, since Bompey.

479
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: Since the Dick directional signs in POMPEII, we have known

480
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: three sums and love triangles. But anyway, I think that

481
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: the idea of calling it more trouble than it's worth,

482
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: I think comes from the idea that I always thought, Wow,

483
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: these are really complicated relationships, and it seems like every

484
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: time I watch a movie about it, or every time

485
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: I never it's never like a success full.

486
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: Happy thing.

487
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: It always seems like so tense and stressful and like, yeah,

488
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: like a mess. It's always seems like a mess, And

489
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: so I was always like, man, this is more trouble

490
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: than it's worth. Like even when watching Three's Company, which

491
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: was like one of my favorite shows as.

492
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 4: A Kid's Company was stressful as fun, stressful.

493
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: Because of the idea that Jack Tripper was pretending to

494
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: be gay in order to live with two women, and

495
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: then like you know, mister Furley or the Ropers or

496
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: however long this ruse lasted, was always like just about

497
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: to be on to him, and I'm always like, God,

498
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: can't we just like have male and female roommates?

499
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: What is up with this show?

500
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: But it was really funny, So anyway, I think that

501
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of why it's titled More Trouble than It's Worth.

502
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: But I also think that the concept of the theme

503
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 1: is something that I think you and I just were

504
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: sort of wanting to like unpack a little bit.

505
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think that we both kind of inadvertently

506
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: chose movies from around the same time. Like I don't

507
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 4: think we were setting out originally to do that, but

508
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: then we did. We were like, oh, look at this,

509
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 4: this is great, let's talk about this. And I also

510
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: think that there's a point I'm going to talk about

511
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: it when we get to my movie. But there's a

512
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 4: character in my movie who kind of even asked the

513
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 4: question if sex is more trouble than It's Worth in general? Yes,

514
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 4: And I thought that was kind of interesting. And look,

515
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 4: I'm no stranger should divulging many many things about my

516
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 4: life on this podcast, but I'll just tell you I

517
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 4: have I have had all different kinds of relationships, and

518
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 4: I can tell you that now because right now, in

519
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, what.

520
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 3: Euroree in.

521
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: What fucking ear are we in.

522
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 4: There is no year right now, in twenty twenty one,

523
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 4: I'm too tired for any of it. But back when

524
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: I had the entergy and to give a shit, I

525
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 4: dated men, I dated women.

526
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 3: I was like, I've had open relationships.

527
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 4: I've tried threes, like, I've tried fucking everything. And I

528
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 4: think that the more trouble of it than it's worth

529
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: for me now comes with directing that sexual energy into

530
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 4: something else. And it's kind of it's something I never

531
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: expected in my life. And that's not to say I'm

532
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 4: not gonna I will live to bone again, but right now,

533
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 4: it's just interesting to be in a space as someone

534
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 4: who's like previously been very open with my sexuality and

535
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 4: then kind of now I'm just like, you know what,

536
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 4: I truly would rather just go to sleep. I truly

537
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 4: would rather just take a nap. I don't want to

538
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 4: smell anyone's feet. I don't want to. I don't want

539
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: to unwrap a condom, like, I just don't want to

540
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 4: do any of it.

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Speaker 3: I just don't.

542
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Speaker 1: That completely makes sense, and I honor that position.

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00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.

544
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: But that's the thing too, is that I've never I've

545
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: never dabbled in polyamory or anything like that.

546
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: But I have obviously no issue with it.

547
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, part of what I thought was

548
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: fascinating about reading The Ethical Slut was just sort of

549
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: the like, I'm always interested in reading about people having

550
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: successful relationships, whether or not there with multiple people or not.

551
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, oh, this is such a great book.

552
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: But it did drive home this point, which to me

553
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: was like, it's it's all about the communication and sort

554
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: of being honest and that kind of stuff.

555
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: Which is work.

556
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: Like, if you think about it, it's work to be

557
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: very forthcoming and honest and open about things. So it's

558
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: it's I think that it does require a little bit

559
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: more work to be in generally, just in relationships that

560
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: it is being alone. Being alone is very easy, right,

561
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: no compromises completely.

562
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I trust me.

563
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: I talk about this in therapy all the time because

564
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, what, is it okay that I'm

565
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 4: okay with it?

566
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? Like I feel like.

567
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: Again, the cultural implication is that I should feel bad

568
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: for not wanting to date and get out there, like

569
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 4: you're letting yourself die on the vine or some kind

570
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 4: of shit. And I'm like, I've never felt better. My

571
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: career has never been better, My friendships have.

572
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 3: Never been better.

573
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 5: I fucking love this part of my life right now.

574
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'm excited to kind of dive into it

575
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: as we got too. I have not seen either of

576
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: these movies probably since the nineties.

577
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been like twenty years.

578
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

579
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: It was like all the feelings came rushing back, like

580
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: just everything about them, the clothes, the looks, the hair.

581
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean, so many Caesar haircuts. I mean, I just

582
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: can't believe it.

583
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 4: There is a scene in your film where somebody pulls

584
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: in orbits drink out of a fridge and I almost

585
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 4: fell on my floor. I almost lost my fucking mind.

586
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, going, Tod, she get to drink a zema next, Like,

587
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: what the fuck is going? Clearly Canadian listen.

588
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: Even in the nineties, I was like, I am not

589
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: putting those like gelatin balls, thank you, in my body, Like.

590
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what they are.

591
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: Nobody did.

592
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: It's not even like boba, it's not even like a tapioca.

593
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm sure they're probably industrial sludge.

594
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 5: They were plastic balls, and like just put them in

595
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 5: your fucking mouth and you're like Okay, the nineties. I

596
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 5: kept sending you videos from this guy on I follow

597
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: him on Instagram, but I think he's also big on TikTok.

598
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: His name's Kevin James Thornton, and he does all of

599
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 5: these hilarious videos and.

600
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: He always all of his stories.

601
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: He's like, tells the'se hilarious, wonderful, terrible stories, and he's like,

602
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 4: it was the nineties.

603
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: I know what he has at voucorder voice, which is

604
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: so fucking funny.

605
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: It's like, I know it's gross, but it was the nineties.

606
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: Maybe that's that should be the AKA name for this episode.

607
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: Oh I can't wait to talk about your film.

608
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, me too. I'm going first, right, yeah,

609
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: oh right, So.

610
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: My film for the theme more Trouble Than It's Worth

611
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: is a movie from nineteen ninety nine. It was written

612
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: and directed by Greg Rocky, and it's called Splendor.

613
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 6: I go practically a year without one decent date, and

614
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 6: now I've got two potentials at the same.

615
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 3: Time, date them both. And then it said the man

616
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: for himself.

617
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: Look, I cannot wait to talk about this movie.

618
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 4: God insert the Cardigan's love fool here. Oh my God,

619
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 4: tell me about it. Is what is the most quintessential

620
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 4: nineties soundtrack song?

621
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: Do you think?

622
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: Oh?

623
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: Well, see, now you got me in a state because

624
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: it depends what are we talking about?

625
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: Early nineties?

626
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: Because we know early and late nineties are like two

627
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: completely different worlds.

628
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: This is true.

629
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: Can we can save this for a bonus episode two? Oh,

630
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: we can definitely save this for the Let's think about

631
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 4: it and we'll save it for a bonus.

632
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: Yes.

633
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: And I'm such a nerd that I would make that

634
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: distinction because talking about the nineties is one of my

635
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: favorite things to do.

636
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: As you know, well, I will just say, not only

637
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: can I see you making the distinction between early and

638
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: late nineties, I can already. I can see in your

639
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: eyes that you're already making that playlist. Oh my gosh, Well,

640
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: I can't wait for it.

641
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

642
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: So I mentioned Greg Rocki, the director of this movie.

643
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: I think when we did episode thirty six, which was

644
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: when we talked about Cheryl Junie Is the Watermelon Woman

645
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: and the new queer cinema movement of the nineties. So

646
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: Greg Iracki was definitely a part of that movement, and

647
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: he is a director that I personally very much associate

648
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: with the nineteen nineties. Okay, yes, so when I was

649
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: in high school and in college in the nineties, he

650
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 1: was the director that everyone I knew who was actually cool,

651
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: really liked. Right, we're not talking about like people that

652
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: jumped on the Nirvana train. I'm talking about like died

653
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: in the wool, cool people who had beat up Doc

654
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: Martin's before anybody else exactly.

655
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: And the only one of the only people in the

656
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 4: nineties who I knew watched greg Iraki films. Who introduced

657
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 4: me to gregor Roki films actually was a guy that

658
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 4: my boyfriend at the time lived with. They shared a house,

659
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: and he was so like modern goth yes that he

660
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: had like the neon strip across the top of his closet.

661
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: He wore suits everywhere.

662
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 4: He looked like Peter Murphy and watched The Doom We

663
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: watched The Doom Generation, and I was like, when.

664
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: The fuck's happening? You're so cool? What's going on?

665
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

666
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean, like Jigaraki in the nineties. His movies were

667
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: just like so they were so punk and queer and violent,

668
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: and they always had like a bunch of hot young

669
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: people who were cool and alternative and they were like

670
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: Jesus and Mary Chain shirts and they had Smith's posters

671
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: up in their apartment and they were fucking alienated from

672
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: the world and it was the best, like just so

673
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: evocative and like he's probably best known for this trilogy

674
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 1: that is called the Teenage Apocalypse Trilogy, which was his

675
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: movies Totally Fucked Up from nineteen ninety three, The Doom

676
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: Generation from nineteen ninety five, and Nowhere from nineteen ninety seven. Okay,

677
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: And like you, I remember watching The Doom Generation for

678
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: the first time in high school and thinking that Rose

679
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: McGowan had like the most amazing look in that movie.

680
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: Yep.

681
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: And the guys in the film, James and Jonathan Sheck,

682
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: were like impossibly beautiful, and they were both like showing

683
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: their bodies and everybody was just sort of like hanging

684
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: on each other and flirting and being like hot and

685
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: dangerous while shoegaze music was playing in the background and

686
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: it just was like so titillating and formative for I

687
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: think a lot of people our age.

688
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: Right, definitely, and shocking, shocking, like a lot of shocking

689
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 4: scenes in that movie completely.

690
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, as we talked about with like

691
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: natural born Killers in that episode. I mean, a lot

692
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: of nineties movies were ultra violent, and they were very

693
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: stylized violent, and I think that Gregor Rocky movies are

694
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: part of that obviously, but there was just something else

695
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: going on. I mean, it was basically like Gregoraki himself

696
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: seemed extremely cool, like he was this queer punk rock

697
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: Japanese director from la and he was making these like

698
00:34:54,560 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: really sexy alternative movies and his vine and just like

699
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: everything about these movies seemed very attractive and like I said,

700
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: very highly stylized to me when I was a young person.

701
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: So cut to Splendor okay, which came out at the

702
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: tail end of the nineties, after he had made like

703
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: a lot of his well known movies. And when this

704
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: movie came out, I was working as a music director

705
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: at my college radio station, and I remember being sent

706
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: to soundtrack, which I played NonStop because I had a

707
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: brit pop radio show called hang the DJ.

708
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 3: Oh My God.

709
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: And on the soundtrack it was like all the bands

710
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: that I loved, like Slow Dive and Swayed and Lush

711
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: and Blur and Spiritualize, and there was all these remixes

712
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: of things. And then I remember, so I put that

713
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: in heavy rotation immediately.

714
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: But then I was like, what is this movie?

715
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: And the movie finally came to the campus movie theater,

716
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: and to me, it just felt so exactly of the

717
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: moment in terms of like the style and the people

718
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: in it. And I swear, like I said at the beginning,

719
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: having seen this movie for the first time since like

720
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, every single feeling came rushing back.

721
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: Oh girl, I this was a first time watch for me.

722
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

723
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 4: And as soon almost I would say, within three minutes

724
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: of this movie starting, I felt like I was a

725
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: teenager back in my bedroom, like I felt so in

726
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 4: that era, which is a credit to it. It's not

727
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: saying that it's dated or anything. It's a credit to

728
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: how stylized it is and how of the moment it is.

729
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 4: I completely agree, I feel the same way. I was

730
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: right there with you.

731
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

732
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because I remember in nineteen ninety

733
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: nine looking around and going I will never have nostalgia

734
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: for anything.

735
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like this this is such a weird moment.

736
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: It was like an intersection of like britpop and like

737
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: kind of like techno music. There was a lot of

738
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: like techno music coming out of England.

739
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: And seventies a Soldia mixed in with present day shit.

740
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like kind of the like weird intersection

741
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: of like Tarantino seventies inspired stuff and then like new

742
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: millennium stuff like techno and DJ's a lot of DJ culture,

743
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: but then like there was like britpop.

744
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just like.

745
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: Really bizarre and I just remember looking around being like,

746
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: what is this vacant time I'm living in? But wun

747
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: shadow In twenty twenty one, I watch a fucking movie

748
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: from ninety nine and I'm.

749
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, I missed those days crazy.

750
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: I know, in nineteen ninety nine, I would never have

751
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: thought I could be more bored or unsettled than I was.

752
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 4: And twenty years later, here comes twenty twenty to be like,

753
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 4: guess what motherfucker.

754
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: Really fucking our shut up time? So a one sentence

755
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: synopsis of Splendor, a single girl cannot decide between two

756
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: new potential suitors, so she decides to date them both

757
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: at the same time, until a pregnancy throws a big curveball.

758
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: Into the mix. Beautiful, thank you, short, and sweet so okay.

759
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: Splendor is centered around a young woman named Veronica She

760
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: is played by the actress Kathleen Robertson. And in this

761
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: film Veronica, there's like a narration that she provides. It's

762
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: kind of a straight at the camera kind of confessional

763
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: type thing. And I swear I was like, who is

764
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: this luminous, beautiful young woman of the late nineties.

765
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: I know, she's so cute.

766
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: Well, and it's like she had the look of what

767
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: whatever this woman was in this era? You know, it

768
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 1: reminded me of It reminded me of the least singer

769
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: of the Cardigans. There you go, like that look that

770
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: kind of like I don't know what that look is.

771
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: It's like ethereal Scandinavian.

772
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: Mod look I don't know from a Scandinavian ghost, a

773
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: Scandinavian ghost.

774
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: Well, whatever it was, it was not me, no, but

775
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: it worked.

776
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: It worked.

777
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I wouldn't.

778
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: Dare show a picture of myself from ninety nine unless

779
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: I absolutely had to.

780
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 4: I would show a picture because I want to see

781
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: what my original eyebrows look like.

782
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: But Veronica is gorgeous. And you know, here's the thing.

783
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: It's that set up where apparently she hasn't had sex

784
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: or dated in a long time, which I'm like, gave

785
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: me a break. But you know what it does happen.

786
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: Beautiful people sometimes go through dry spells.

787
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

788
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: So on Halloween night, she goes out with her best

789
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: friend Mike, who was played by the Scottish actress Kellen McDonald.

790
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: Fantastic Rule, fantastic Mike herself, another very cute late nineties look.

791
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: She had the very short hair that was like dyed purple,

792
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, the thin eyebrows. I think she's probably wearing

793
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: like black lipstick or something in some scene, a lot

794
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: of glitter.

795
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 4: You know.

796
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: They're great together. So they go to this club.

797
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: They're wearing their Halloween costumes, and Veronica meets two separate guys,

798
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: like two different guys at the party at separate times.

799
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: One is the drummer for the band who's playing the party.

800
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: His name is Zed.

801
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: He's played by Matt Keysler, and he's just this tall,

802
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: gorgeous blonde with the rippling ams and the spiky blonde

803
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: hair and the bondage pants. I mean, he looks like

804
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: he is in no doubt the band No Doubt, which

805
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: again was like very triggering.

806
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: No. And this takes place in La so it's still

807
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: a look that you see there to this day.

808
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, exactly.

809
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: So he's like this hot musician but a bit of

810
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: a dumb dumb. Gotta admit he's a sweet little dummy.

811
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: But nonetheless she sees him on stage and then like

812
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: ten minutes later she has sex with him in the

813
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: bathroom of the club. Okay, just like walking sex, this guy, zaid.

814
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: So the other guy she meets at the party is

815
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: this dark haired guy, a music writer named Abel, and

816
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: he's played by Jonathan Sheck in the High Jonathan Sheck

817
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: era yes, remember yes, with those eyes and those lips

818
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: come on all.

819
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 3: Over the place.

820
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 4: You could not get away from him for seven years minimum.

821
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: He was in Greg Iraqi movies before this one, so

822
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: he was he's been around, especially in this universe, this

823
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: Greg Iraqi universe, and listen, he is equally gorgeous, obviously,

824
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: but he's definitely more of the like sensitive, brooding type.

825
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: He's like a writer, like a music writer, but then

826
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: he's trying to write a book or something, and like

827
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: he's not the kind of like sexy dumb dumb he's

828
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: just kind of like a thought.

829
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: The thoughtful, dark haired guy with glasses. Okay, but he asked.

830
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: For her number at the party, and then they eventually

831
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: go on a date and they have this like pretty

832
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: soulful connection and you know she's liking him too. Okay,

833
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: So she's got these two guys very different, and wouldn't

834
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: you now she falls for both of them, Okay, and

835
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: that's not a surprise, like when you've got like two

836
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: hot dudes who are incredibly different, you're like, oh.

837
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm gonna pickle well.

838
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 4: Especially post dry Spell, Like I kind of appreciated that

839
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 4: about this movie, that it's like she hasn't been on

840
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: a date in a year, and she's not immediately just

841
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 4: jumping into one. She's still dating. She's not just jumping

842
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 4: into one relationship and calling it a day. And we

843
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 4: get to see guys on in film do that all

844
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: the time, but in the late nineties, we weren't seeing

845
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: a lot of women doing that, right, And.

846
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: That's kind of I think what is a great part

847
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: of this movie is this idea that she wants to

848
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: date them both, and she's basically like, all right, let's

849
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: figure out how to do this. And again, maybe in

850
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: a modern context this seems like not a big deal,

851
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: but back then, to me, seeing a woman with that

852
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: kind of sexual agency. I think it was really refreshing,

853
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: Like I just you never really saw that a lot.

854
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: The interesting thing.

855
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: Is is that she presents the idea to both Set

856
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: and Able, and Abel is the one that kind of

857
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: has the initial problem with it, but then they both

858
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: sort of warm up to this idea of being her boyfriends. Yeah, essentially,

859
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: And one night, the three of them are together at

860
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 1: Veronica's place and they're drinking, they're hanging out, and they're

861
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: playing very you know, cheeky little truth and air games,

862
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: and they all end up sleeping together. You know, So

863
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: then you start seeing their relationship, which I'm not gonna lie,

864
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: this is a stray girl dream to be in this

865
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: perfectly content and non chaotic romance with two attractive, sweet

866
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: guys who seem very chill with each other, right right.

867
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: At some point, Zed I think, you know, was living

868
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: with his friends and then he gets kicked out of

869
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: his place and ends up moving in with Veronica, and

870
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: then Abel's like, well what about me? And then he

871
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: comes in and they all live together.

872
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: He's like just jealous. He's like, wait a minute, yeah.

873
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: I want to live with you guys.

874
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: And they live together, and you know, at one point

875
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: it seems, wow, they really figured it out. They figuring

876
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: out how to be a throuple or be together. But

877
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: then as you do, a wrench gets thrown in into

878
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: the happiness. And basically if Veronica finds out she's pregnant,

879
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: and I think it's at this point of the movie

880
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: where she kind of begins to question the strength of this,

881
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: this unconventional relationship experiment, right, because prior to this, everyone

882
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: is very adamant about being in it.

883
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: They're not ashamed of it.

884
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: They're just like, this is who we are, and this

885
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: is how we explore our sexuality and our you know,

886
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: romantic feelings. But then she has a baby coming and

887
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: then she's just like, oh, I don't know if this

888
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: works right. And it's mostly because they're all like twenty

889
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: two years old and they aren't working very much, and

890
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, they're just like, is this an actual functioning

891
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: adult relationship or is it just like young twenty two

892
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: year olds hanging out and having a lot of fun? Right, right,

893
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Because there was a moment where this actually made me laugh.

894
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: It was one of.

895
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: The truest I think moments that I've ever seen in

896
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: a film.

897
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: And I don't know why I think this, But.

898
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: Veronica breaks the news to the guys that she's pregnant

899
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: and said pauses and then says, well, be Orc has

900
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: a kid.

901
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's in my notes.

902
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god.

903
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: I can totally imagine like a twenty two year old

904
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: guy musician just being like, oh, there's a baby here

905
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: will be or as a kid.

906
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 3: The Orc still rocket sugar cubes are still on point.

907
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: What's up?

908
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: But young people cannot figure out an actual situation. They're like, well,

909
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: that this famous person has a baby. I guess we can.

910
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: I completely agree that part that line. Not only did

911
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: it make me laugh, but you're absolutely true that.

912
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, these are very young people trying to make

913
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 4: a very adult decision and rationalizing it in the weirdest

914
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 4: possible way.

915
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: It was so funny.

916
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: So they start exploring the outcomes of what could happen,

917
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, whether or not she wants to keep the

918
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: baby or you know whatever.

919
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: And she starts hanging out.

920
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: With this director on one of her acting jobs named Ernest,

921
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: who was played by Eric Maybe is whom I don't know.

922
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: If you know this.

923
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: He played Steve and Welcome to the dollhouse. Yep, the Steve, Steve, Steve, you.

924
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: Will fall in love with me. Steve very different.

925
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: Look he's he cut off the Tarzan hair and he

926
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: looks he's got the caesary comb front hair.

927
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: Was like, I was like, oh my god, this hair

928
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: is sending me.

929
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 4: The hair combined with the goatee, I had a nineties

930
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 4: horror moment flashback.

931
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And the color contact lenses.

932
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, let's talk about I used to work for

933
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 6: an optometrist and I would get samples for free and when.

934
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 4: This is when I lived there San Francisco, and I

935
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 4: would put them in when I went out drinking with

936
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: my friends.

937
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: At night and be like, hey, guys, when I.

938
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: Freak them out. But he wore them for real, Oh

939
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 2: my god. Yeah, Like that was such a huge thing.

940
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: Like people with those like really almost like artificial looking

941
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: contact lenses. Almost his eyes were so blue, they were purple,

942
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: you know what. I'm so glad that they actually showed

943
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: him taking them out at night because I was like,

944
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: this guy's tripping. If he's trying to pass off those

945
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: eyes is real, Like come on. But anyway, you know,

946
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: Veronica is like hanging out with this guy, and she

947
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: starts thinking, you know, look, this guy is stable and

948
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: he has money, and he could actually give me and

949
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: this child a stable life, which is some that I

950
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: never experienced growing up. And she's like thinking, well, you know,

951
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: obviously I don't really love him, but he could help

952
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: me with this, and I think that this is a

953
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: better arrangement than having a baby with two boyfriends, one

954
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: of whom is unemployed or keeps getting fired from jobs

955
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: or what like, yeah, you know, it's these are both

956
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: kind of like un underemployed men, right. But what I

957
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: think is interesting about this movie too, is that there's

958
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: just this very interesting gender role reversal going on where

959
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: she's the one who doesn't know what she wants right,

960
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: and the guys, I mean, if you want to get

961
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: down to it, even Ernest, even Zed and Able, they're

962
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: very attentive and they want to be in her life

963
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: and they care about her, and they've made their intentions

964
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: very clear, Like both Zed and Able are like, we're

965
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: here for you. I want to have this baby together,

966
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: like I will go with you to your doctor's appointments,

967
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: And she is in the mode where she's like, I

968
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: don't know what to do and she keeps kind of

969
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: avoiding the situation, you know, by like kind of running off.

970
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: A little bit.

971
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 5: Right.

972
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, the only person having a rational response to her

973
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 4: news is Mike, Yes, who when she finds.

974
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 3: Out what she tells. When Veronica tells Mike she's pregnant,

975
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: Mike screams at the top of her lines.

976
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: But I just think in this time in the nineties,

977
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it's just a really interesting setup in

978
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: terms of thinking about, like I said, sexual agency of

979
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: women and polyamory and masculinity. Certainly, it's just, you know,

980
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: it was very forward thinking in nineteen ninety nine, I think.

981
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: But like you said, ultimately, because I'm not going to

982
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: give away the ending, it's just yeah, hello, it's us.

983
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: We don't give away the endings, right, unless it's The

984
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: Lost Boys.

985
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: Let's get serious. But what I think.

986
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: Sets this movie apart from a lot of Greg Rocky's movies.

987
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 2: It's not as is totally so different.

988
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: It's not violent and dark and sort of that like

989
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: Lovers on the Run, Alienated from the world type of thing.

990
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: It's very light and fun, and it does remind me

991
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: of like an old screwball comedy from the thirties and forties,

992
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: and honestly, I think I know we do double features

993
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: on this podcast, but if you wanted to make another

994
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: good double feature, play this movie alongside like something like

995
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: Designed for Living by Ernest Lubach, like some kind of

996
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: like that's another movie that's about three people attempting to

997
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: have a relationship, right, It's like a woman and two men,

998
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: And it would be perfect to play with this because

999
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: this movie does kind of feel like that. It's not

1000
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: it's not very dark. It's very effervescent.

1001
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 4: And I have to say, like, again, this is my

1002
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: first time watching this movie. And when you were like,

1003
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 4: this is the movie I want to watch for this,

1004
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, let me psych myself up.

1005
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm in the mood for a

1006
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 3: Gregor Rocky film.

1007
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 4: Right now, because I'm thinking again, like Mysterious Skin, Yeah,

1008
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: Living End, like all these films that are beautiful but heavy, heavy,

1009
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, all right, And then

1010
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 4: when I started watching it and I'm like, this is great.

1011
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: It's lovely, it's light. Great, good pick.

1012
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 4: It was such a beautiful pick for this for this theme,

1013
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 4: and I'm so grateful that you did pick it.

1014
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: So I got to see it.

1015
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for the theme of more trouble than It's worth, uh,

1016
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: it does seem like it is worth it, Like at

1017
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're like, oh, this is

1018
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: worth to explore this, you know, potentially great like fulfilling

1019
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: relationship with two other people.

1020
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: Then you have my movie.

1021
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: Woo.

1022
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: This is my Orson Wells slow clap from Citizen Kane.

1023
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

1024
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 3: Oh I can't wait.

1025
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 4: So my movie for the theme of more trouble than

1026
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: It's Worth was released in nineteen ninety eight, written and

1027
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 4: directed by Don Ruth and it's the opposite of sex.

1028
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 2: She's stealing her boyfriend I knew you were, and she's

1029
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: just getting started and you're pregnant.

1030
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 4: When I recommended that we watch this for the theme,

1031
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 4: it's because I was thinking about one very specific.

1032
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 3: Arrangement in the movie.

1033
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 4: But then as I watched it, I was like, no,

1034
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 4: there's more. There's more here, and it was nice to

1035
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 4: uncover it, like the layers of this film. But before

1036
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 4: we get into talking about the movie itself, I just

1037
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 4: want to say that Don Ruse is married to Dan Bukatinsky, who,

1038
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 4: if you watched the comeback of one of many of

1039
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 4: his credits. But if you watch the Comeback, then you

1040
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 4: know who Dan Bukatinsky is. He's a fantastic, funny actor.

1041
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 4: But he also wrote some of your favorite movies. Yep,

1042
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: he wrote Marley and Me, he wrote Boys on the Side,

1043
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: and most importantly to me, he wrote single White Female Help.

1044
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: Yes.

1045
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 4: Yes, he introduced the term into the lexicon. Yes, through film.

1046
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 4: So yes, he is, like you said earlier, he is

1047
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 4: a he's gay, he is a director, he's a writer,

1048
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 4: he's an actor, and he was pretty important as well,

1049
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 4: in not necessarily the like a really structured way, but

1050
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 4: he was a leading voice in queer cinema in the

1051
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 4: late nineties, mid to late nineties, for sure. And he's

1052
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 4: still working, still making stuff that we're focusing on this movie,

1053
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 4: which is so goddamn funny.

1054
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: Yes, but I also.

1055
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 4: Have to say I have to place it in our

1056
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 4: it was the nineties framework, because some of the stuff

1057
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 4: I heard in this film like truly set me back.

1058
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 4: I was like, well, like my sensitivity meter was was

1059
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 4: pretty it's pretty high. Yes, but I was even shocked

1060
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 4: by so of the stuff that I did not remember hearing,

1061
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 4: And so I just wanted to preface it a little

1062
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 4: bit by saying that let's get into the cast. So

1063
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 4: Christina Ricchi plays Dede Truett, who is awful, Yes, truly awful.

1064
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 4: She is a homophobic, ignorant, brash like, emotionless sixteen year old.

1065
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 4: You've got Martin Donovan who plays Bill Truett, her half brother.

1066
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 4: He's a high school English teacher. He's very chill, he

1067
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 4: seems to be beloved by the students, and he had

1068
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 4: a lover by the name of Tom who died of AIDS.

1069
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: Then you have.

1070
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 4: Lisa Kudro who plays Lucia Delouri and she is fucking awesome.

1071
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 4: Also the worst, but not in the same way as Dedi.

1072
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 4: She's Tom's sister and she's also a high school teacher.

1073
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 4: She actually introduced Tom and Bill, and she is sick

1074
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 4: of the world and everyone in it in a way

1075
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 4: that I have never seen like on film before. Yeah,

1076
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 4: it is stunning. There's one point where someone asks how

1077
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 4: does a woman get so bitter and she just says observation.

1078
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: She's wonderful.

1079
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 5: Wow.

1080
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1081
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 3: Then you have Matt.

1082
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 4: Matt is Bill's new boyfriend, new young boyfriend, very cute,

1083
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 4: dimple chin, not terribly smart. At one point, Dedi says

1084
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 4: that watching him is like watching evolution work.

1085
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 3: And then you have Carl, and Carl is played.

1086
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 4: By Lyle love It and he plays sheriff Sheriff Carl Tippett,

1087
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 4: who is in the background of this film and then

1088
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 4: becomes kind of a part of the ride because of

1089
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 4: a certain incident. So a brief synopsis of this film

1090
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 4: is a one sentence synopsis. A chaos demon in the

1091
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 4: form of a sixteen year old girl reek's on her

1092
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 4: distant family to hide her pregnancy.

1093
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: Kail's demon demon.

1094
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: She truly is a chaos demon.

1095
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: No kidding.

1096
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 4: Dedi is such a brash character, and she's from crevcre Louisiana,

1097
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 4: And in the beginning of this film, she just kicks

1098
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 4: the door. She basically just kicks the door in her

1099
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 4: personality from jump, which is showing up almost late to

1100
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: her stepfather's funeral. And then when her mother insists that

1101
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 4: she you know, give her respects over the grave and

1102
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 4: throws some dirt on the casket, she gets up and

1103
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 4: just starts throwing a fucking tantrum, starts throwing things in

1104
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 4: the grip. She's throwing chair, she's throwing flour, she's kicking dirt,

1105
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 4: in there. She's just a total brat. So she runs

1106
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 4: away from home to Indiana to spend some time with Bill,

1107
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 4: her half brother. So her father had a child before

1108
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 4: her and it was Bill, and she again gurga loins

1109
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 4: because the way she describes her gay brother is not kind,

1110
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 4: but it is also I think what DoD Ruth was

1111
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 4: trying to do is just kind of again like bring

1112
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 4: to the surface this ignorant character's predilection for like there's

1113
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 4: just being so so enmeshed in her own bullshit, Like

1114
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 4: she just truly likes herself the way she is. She

1115
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 4: has no desire to change. She's the narrator of the film,

1116
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 4: and she's very quick to tell you that she does

1117
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 4: not grow a heart of gold by the end. She's

1118
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 4: not gonna change, Like, don't ask her for shit. So

1119
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 4: when she shows up in Indiana, she kind of she lies.

1120
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: She lies.

1121
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 4: She's just like, Hey, things are tough at home. I

1122
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 4: need a place to stay. And Bill, being person with

1123
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 4: a heart of gold played by Martin Donovan, who is

1124
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 4: just a gem. We talked about him in the Insomnia

1125
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 4: episode a couple of weeks ago, and he lets her stay.

1126
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 4: He calls to her mom and is like, you know,

1127
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 4: she's with me, it's cool. And the first the first

1128
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 4: thing she does is seduce his boyfriend, Matt. Yep, the

1129
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 4: first thing she does. So she seduces Matt, and then

1130
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 4: she's instantly pregnant, like instantly, she's like I'm late.

1131
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: Wow.

1132
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 4: And Matt, as a gay man who has never slept

1133
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 4: with a woman before and is not necessarily like the

1134
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 4: brightest bulb in the lamp, is like, okay, Like I

1135
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 4: guess we're gonna do this thing. So their response is

1136
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 4: to rob Bill. They rob his safety deposit box after

1137
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 4: they tell him we're in love and we're gonna raise

1138
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 4: his baby, and Bill's like heartbroken, Lucia loses her mind,

1139
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 4: and they do they leave, They leave, So you're left

1140
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 4: with Bill for a moment, just kind of going through

1141
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 4: this heartbreak while Lucia is very close to him in

1142
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 4: a way that feels like she might, you know, like

1143
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 4: have a crush on him, or like she's into him

1144
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 4: in a way that's not purely friendship, and it's kind

1145
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 4: of presented as something that's very sad, you know, like

1146
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 4: very like her life has kind of been put on

1147
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 4: hold in a way, but she's very into Bill's life

1148
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 4: and kind of telling him what to do, like she

1149
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 4: really likes being in charge of his life. So when

1150
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 4: Jason Boch shows up, who's played by Johnny Gallecki, who

1151
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 4: I have to say, he plays gay like in such

1152
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 4: a fay nineties way that it was so obvious and

1153
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 4: like a little bit jarring and disconcerting to me, where

1154
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, you're like not just gay, You're just

1155
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 4: kind of playing He was just playing it up a lot.

1156
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 4: So this Jason Box shows up, who's a former student

1157
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 4: of Bills, and he's like, Hey, I'm also Matt's boyfriend,

1158
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 4: and if you don't tell me where he is, I'm

1159
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 4: going to tell everyone that you molested me when I

1160
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 4: was a student. And Bill's like, I have no fucking

1161
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 4: idea where he is and goodbye. But then Jason calls

1162
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 4: his bluff and actually does like he basically tells a

1163
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 4: lie and says that he was molested by mister Truett,

1164
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 4: by Bill Truett when he was a student. And Bill's

1165
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 4: put on notice and his job is threatened and it's

1166
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 4: a total scandal. It is a total scandal. He suspended

1167
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 4: with pay. But it's a complete scandal, and part of

1168
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 4: the reason that he's he's not really bothered by it

1169
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 4: because Tom was a stockbroker who left him this big,

1170
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 4: gorgeous house when he died, so he kind of just starts.

1171
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: Gardening, like hanging out in his young heart.

1172
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 4: But what I noticed was kind of really melancholy about

1173
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 4: it was that you get this feeling through Bill that

1174
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 4: he's had to brush things under the rug a lot

1175
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 4: in his life, yes, in order to get by. And

1176
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 4: that was the kind of sadness of those moments, is

1177
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 4: that like, oh God, he's done this so much, this

1178
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 4: is just like secondhand to him.

1179
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can.

1180
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: First of all, Martin Donovan, I just I always just

1181
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: talked about him rely, but like he is such a treasure,

1182
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: Like he as an actor is he's so good and

1183
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: he's been to me, he's like one of the best actors.

1184
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: Of the nineties.

1185
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: I know he still works obviously, but like he really

1186
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: reminds me of the nineties too, of like the Hell

1187
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: Hartley movies and everything, and like his character of this film,

1188
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, obviously Dedi's character is so high key,

1189
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: just always really over the top in so many ways,

1190
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: and he's kind of this like metronome for all of

1191
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: this stuff that's happening where he's just kind of the

1192
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: steady ship and there is a sadness to this idea

1193
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: of maybe that this was his coping mechanism for all

1194
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: of the pain and loss that he's experienced in his life.

1195
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: Is that, you know, he's there's a big speech that

1196
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: comes towards the end which kind of puts all of

1197
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: that in perspective, but like basically, you know, yeah, he's

1198
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: basic had to just sort of bury a lot of

1199
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: feelings about things, and he just sort of knows how to.

1200
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: He's kind of self contained and he knows how to

1201
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: deal with his own issues in a very kind of

1202
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: quiet and muted way. Right.

1203
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's beautiful way to put it, because it is

1204
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 4: kind of sad and self contained. But it doesn't I

1205
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 4: don't get the feeling that his life is bad, just

1206
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,479
Speaker 4: that there's a real undercurrent of emotion there, that he's

1207
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 4: he's holding back a lot, and that he will continue

1208
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 4: to do so in order to get by. Yeah. Yeah,

1209
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 4: well Bill is in for a fucking ride because.

1210
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 3: He's suspended from school.

1211
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 4: He gets a call from Matt, and Matt's like, we're

1212
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 4: in LA and I need some money. So Bill decides

1213
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 4: to go to LA and he thinks he's gonna drag

1214
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 4: Matt home, and guess what, Lucia's going with him, and

1215
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 4: guess what, Carl's following them. The cop is following them,

1216
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 4: and Carl is following them because he's it's twofold. It's

1217
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 4: like he clearly has a thing for Lucia that she

1218
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 4: cannot see. But also he's like, you're kind of a

1219
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 4: convicted criminal, Like you're kind of going to be a

1220
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 4: convicted criminal, so you can't leave the state just in

1221
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 4: case we decide to arrest you. So he follows them

1222
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 4: for for reason's personal and professional.

1223
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 3: And once they're in La, they.

1224
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 4: Find Matt working at this like fast food restaurant.

1225
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 3: They set up a meeting. Dedie comes through.

1226
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 4: She's like, she says she's three months pregnant, but she

1227
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 4: is clearly six.

1228
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: Months pregnant, right, She is showing so much.

1229
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 4: And they have this dinner and she like is trying

1230
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 4: to extort money out of Bill, and when he says no,

1231
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 4: she's like, well surprised, and she pulls out Tom's urn

1232
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 4: and his ashes are gone.

1233
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 3: She's holding his ashes hostage.

1234
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, so there's this hole from there, all hell

1235
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 4: truly breaks loose. It is like a caper that I

1236
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 4: cannot even begin to get into without ruining, so I won't.

1237
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 3: But it is so.

1238
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 4: Funny and beautiful and heartbreaking and uplifting, and it does

1239
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 4: this really cool trick of doing all of that work

1240
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 4: in this film that you think is just going to

1241
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,959
Speaker 4: be about this asshole, and that it ends up being

1242
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: like a real heart tugging movie. I know I said

1243
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 4: that I talk about it when we were talking earlier,

1244
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 4: but I think that Lucia has this speech at the end,

1245
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 4: and what was so stunning about this speech because she's

1246
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 4: kind of going through like, you know, is sex worth it?

1247
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 4: And then she gets to this point in talking through

1248
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 4: her feelings where she says, you know, sex killed Tom,

1249
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 4: like didn't it? Didn't sex kill Tom? And got it

1250
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 4: so sad, And then you realize that she's kind of

1251
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 4: been afraid to have sex or to open up or

1252
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 4: be close to someone because her brother was the person

1253
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 4: she was closest to in this world, and so they

1254
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 4: show them, you know, he was so good to her.

1255
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 4: She's kind of the black sheep of her family. She

1256
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 4: knows that people don't like her, but her brother loved her,

1257
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 4: and so her loss and grief, you realize that she

1258
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 4: hasn't processed it either, so her holding back and kind

1259
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 4: of questioning is it worth it or it's more? Is this,

1260
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 4: you know, sex, more trouble than it's worth? Because really

1261
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 4: it only leads to relationships or babies in her words,

1262
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 4: So it's just kind of nice to see to see

1263
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 4: her question that openly is.

1264
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 3: Something I don't really see on screen a lot.

1265
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 4: But then also as you as you're going through it

1266
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 4: through the movie, and I think it really fits well

1267
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 4: with the more trouble than It's worth theme because it

1268
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 4: could be applied to family.

1269
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 3: Is family worth it?

1270
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 4: Like? Is it worth it to let this half sister

1271
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 4: I don't know into my life only for her to

1272
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 4: fuck everything up. But then Bill gets to a point

1273
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 4: where you and he has this heart opening moment about

1274
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 4: what Dedie's life has been and you know her circumstances

1275
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 4: and you know, wanting to help her through some of

1276
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 4: her hardship. And there's also a bunch of love triangles

1277
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 4: in this movie, So you've got a total Dedie, Matt

1278
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 4: and Bill, but then you've also got Matt, Jason and Bill,

1279
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 4: And then you've got Lucia Carl.

1280
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 3: Well actually Lucia and Carl art early in a love triangle.

1281
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,919
Speaker 1: Well, but like you you got Lucia in a love

1282
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: triangle with Bill and maybe her brother, maybe Tom and

1283
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: maybe Tom, like that's the thing. And then you have

1284
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: Carl who likes Lucia, but then she likes Bill.

1285
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: So it's just kind of like it's a lot of triangles.

1286
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: It's a lot going on.

1287
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 4: Also, I absolutely love how Dede only refers to Tom

1288
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 4: as Tom the dead guy.

1289
01:07:53,040 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: Yes, she is remarkably cruel. It's a really crazy how

1290
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 2: mean she is.

1291
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 4: And also, just to put this in a little bit

1292
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 4: more context, Christina Ricci basically went from being Wednesday Atoms

1293
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 4: to this. I can't remember if she did Buffalo sixty

1294
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 4: six before or after.

1295
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: She was in Buffalo sixty six the year after this

1296
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: movie came out, So okay, this was the moment that

1297
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: Christina Reachedie, came out of that like little girl child

1298
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: actor shell into this whole other realm where she was

1299
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, basically like dyed her hair blonde and was

1300
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: wearing like the low cut tops and she was playing

1301
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: these very adult roles and you know, this was definitely

1302
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: one of those movies that she was like, it was

1303
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: almost shocking to see her grown up like this, you.

1304
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 4: Know, completely like she came out with a bang. She's like, Hi,

1305
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 4: these are the movies I want to do now, And

1306
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 4: I'm like.

1307
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 3: Good for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I remember being completely shocked by it.

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Speaker 1: But I remember when this movie came out because I

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Speaker 1: remember the poster of it.

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Speaker 2: Where she was wearing the bathing suit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like, whoa, you were just in Mermaids,

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Speaker 1: weren't you Now I can't even I don't even know

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Speaker 1: who this is.

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Speaker 4: Or you just falling off a log while your sister

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Speaker 4: had sex something to comment, Yeah, exactly the one thing

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Speaker 4: I do love about this film.

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Speaker 3: And again I don't want to give it away. I

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Speaker 3: don't want to give away.

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Speaker 4: Too many well, I don't want to give away any spoilers,

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Speaker 4: but I think this might not be a spoiler to

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Speaker 4: say that it really does answer the question of are

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Speaker 4: these things more trouble than their worth in the end,

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Speaker 4: and the answer is surprising and lovely and interesting and

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Speaker 4: just this movie is just such a ride. I read

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Speaker 4: the Janet Maslin New York Times interview from when this

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01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 4: came out her review and she calls it a comedy

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Speaker 4: of unspeakably bad manners, and she's completely right. But it's

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Speaker 4: just so it's such a weird movie to see, like

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Speaker 4: a really rotten character. It was like, I am not

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01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 4: going to be redeemed at the end of this and

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Speaker 4: it still ends up being a fun and great ride.

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Speaker 4: And it's so nineties I can't even stand it. Like

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Speaker 4: the chunky platform heel, oh my gosh, with a big

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Speaker 4: cuff gene, Like, I just it's so nineties.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the piercings, the I mean just everything about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean it like I remember seeing this movie when

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Speaker 1: it came out in the movie theater and I just, yeah,

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01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: it took me back to a place that I was like,

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Speaker 1: holy shit like, And I think it's interesting too because

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01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: so much of what I think is happening in this

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Speaker 1: movie is that so you do have the love triangles

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01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: that are happening, or just sort of the triads of people,

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01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: and they're all sort of individually trying to form like

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: a valuation on both love and sex, right, because some

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01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: relationships seem to be more sexually oriented and some are

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01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: more of a love or a deeper connection. And I

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01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: just like that part about the movies is kind of

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01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: like that's kind of flowing through all of these different characters,

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01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: and that, to me is a really cool storytelling technique.

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01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: But also too, I mean, I think it's very obvious that,

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01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, a queer person directed this movie.

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Speaker 2: Again, in the.

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Speaker 1: Nineties, a lot a lot of you know, the conversation

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01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: was about AIDS and about HIV and the crisis and

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Speaker 1: sort of the fear of things in that era, and

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01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: I think that that is obviously a big part of

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Speaker 1: this movie, and the Christina Ricci character, and that's very

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01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: of its time. You know, I think a gay director

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Speaker 1: making a movie about AIDS in this era, I think

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01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: it completely tracks right.

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Speaker 4: It felt like, even though Tom had died and you

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01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 4: never get to meet that character, most of the movie

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01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 4: is a celebration of his life. Like you get to

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 4: see the people who loved him still loving him even

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Speaker 4: after he's gone, and so I guess it's not a

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01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 4: celebration of his life, but I think it's it's a

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01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 4: validation of his life, which we didn't get to see

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Speaker 4: a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of in that time.

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Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, you have your Philadelphia's where

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01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 4: you have to show people slowly dying of aids, and

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01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 4: but you never got to see or you know, in

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01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 4: a lot of films, you weren't getting to see just

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01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 4: the kind of joy that people had and the love

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01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 4: that they had before you know, they were killed by

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01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 4: this disease.

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01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'll never know obviously what Don Ruce was

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01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: thinking about when he was writing this movie, but you know,

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,480
Speaker 1: I think that he was probably I mean, the attitudes

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01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: towards the disease in the nineties were so I mean

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01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: compared to modern sensibility. I mean, it's very it's very hardcore,

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01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: and you have to imagine maybe you know, this is

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01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: a gay director kind of working through the feelings of

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01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: that kind of ignorance, you know what.

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Speaker 4: I mean, absolutely, because this is a disease that that

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01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 4: ignorance killed people. It killed thousands, hundred of thousands, It

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01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 4: killed a lot of people. And you know, to look

1389
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 4: at TV today and see ads for medication to manage HIV,

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01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 4: my gosh, I mean, I just want to cry every

1391
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 4: time I see it because I'm just like amazed at

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 4: how far we've come in that way. Again, still a

1393
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 4: long way to go, but this absolutely was kind of

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01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 4: a and again, don't know what he was thinking, but

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01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 4: this was absolutely a different way of thinking through the

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01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 4: fears and the joys and kind of taking all of

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01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 4: that fear about life and death and kind of putting

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 4: it into a movie in a very interesting way that

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Speaker 4: I haven't really seen before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what's.

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Speaker 3: What's going to be happening next week for our movies?

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01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, next week? Are you ready? Here are your movies.

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01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: We've got I Love You to Death from nineteen ninety

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01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: and River's Edge nineteen eighty six.

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01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 4: Oooh, the theme is not what you think, probably, but

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01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 4: you guys are smart.

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01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 3: Go ahead and guess. I think someone will guess this

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01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 3: one inadvertently.

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01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 4: I mean it.

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01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: Seems a little bit easier than other weeks. I'll just

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Speaker 2: say that, But but is it? Never know?

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01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: Who knows? Who knows? But listen if you want to

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be great if we had merged from like

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Speaker 3: another show in there.

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Speaker 1: doing the bonus episodes in the mail bag so well.

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Speaker 2: Danielle, thank you so much for this episode.

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Speaker 1: I know it was a little sticky, but we I

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Speaker 1: think did a great job trying to, you know, play

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Speaker 1: some movies we hadn't seen in a while and talk

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01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: about some good old fashioned nineties drama.

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Speaker 4: I agree, goodbye my scene next week. This has been

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Speaker 4: Annalise Nelson, our theme songs, by Tom.

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