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Speaker 1: eight days away from the NFL Draft. A countdown is
Speaker 1: under sixty and Brian, I'm sure under sixty is right
Speaker 1: when it really starts heating up. It's already been heated up.
Speaker 1: But how about the intensity and the feel right now
Speaker 1: for all these scouts in these front offices, because it's
Speaker 1: starting to feel real. You're within two months of draft
Speaker 1: day and things are really starting to kind of pan out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, And guys, thanks for having me back. I've
Speaker 1: never hated technology more than I did last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean technology for an old, crusty guy is not good.
Speaker 1: I don't recommend it for anybody. I do recommend like
Speaker 1: how to get tied use those tied pins. If you
Speaker 1: got some of that Saint Elmo's cocktail sauce on your shirt.
Speaker 1: You know we missed that this week too, But yeah,
Speaker 1: we're getting close. I mean when you said the number
Speaker 1: and now you start to think about okay, setting boards,
Speaker 1: pro days, all those things are kind of starting to
Speaker 1: ramp up here. It's a really it's a great time
Speaker 1: to be in the scouting world. And Bucky, I mean,
Speaker 1: like Brian just said, no combine, no saying Elmo sauce. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: like we normally like to try and treat ourselves to
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, but whenever it gets around this time, you
Speaker 1: usually have the combine in your notes already, but there's
Speaker 1: still so much more of the information gathering that's still
Speaker 1: yet to be done. Yeah, it's a challenge that I
Speaker 1: can't even imagine trying to navigate if you're a scalt
Speaker 1: because you don't have to combine. So what you don't
Speaker 1: have is a level playing field when it comes to
Speaker 1: being able to separate all the measurables, Like, yes, we
Speaker 1: can do the height, weight, hand size, arm length in
Speaker 1: those things, but the forty times are all different because
Speaker 1: they run on different surfaces at different locations with different timers.
Speaker 1: You're not able to necessarily look at prospect A and
Speaker 1: Prospect B back to back when they're going through the
Speaker 1: same positional drills. And so you talk about beauty being
Speaker 1: in the eye of the beholder this year more than
Speaker 1: any other year, Like everyone will see these prospects differently
Speaker 1: and it could make for a very interesting draft. How
Speaker 1: do you feel like that relates specifically to the front
Speaker 1: office of the Cowboys, Dave, Because I feel like whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to the different surfaces and the informational gathering,
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have that, Like Bucky said that even
Speaker 1: playing surface, but the Cowboys have their own thought processes
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the evening playing surface of the
Speaker 1: bigger schools and the smaller schools. Continue on, Dave, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we are having some I think we are
Speaker 1: having some technical difficulties. So Dave ye brought us Yeah,
Speaker 1: go for it. Yeah, I mean my experience working with
Speaker 1: the front office, and I really like what Bucky's talking about.
Speaker 1: I like what Dave's talking about too, because what happens is, man,
Speaker 1: these scouts, a lot of them have been a home
Speaker 1: all year. I mean they're watching film and all that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start getting some pro days we're gonna see
Speaker 1: the scouting community once again get out and being about
Speaker 1: and I think this is really the combine. To me
Speaker 1: was always about the medical stuff and the interview stuff,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I was I was super happy
Speaker 1: to have all that information. But man, going out and
Speaker 1: getting your own hand times, you know, working with somebody
Speaker 1: from the Carolina Panthers or the Arizona Cardinals and kind
Speaker 1: of you know, making sure you had all the information
Speaker 1: for your team, that was really exciting to me. And
Speaker 1: I can imagine there's a lot of scouts right now
Speaker 1: that are they're happy that they got some timing dates
Speaker 1: and they're happy that they hey, whether it's zoom meetings
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, they're happy to be able to
Speaker 1: talk about players and stuff with their colleagues and then
Speaker 1: put together boards. Yeah, it's a great challenge, but as
Speaker 1: we've talked about on this show, a ton scouts are
Speaker 1: very resilient. They figure out ways to operate and make
Speaker 1: it all work. And Bucky's right, the beauty in the
Speaker 1: eye of the beholder never more so true than what
Speaker 1: we're about to experience. It's here coming up this spring,
Speaker 1: you know, Brian, I think what is important coming off
Speaker 1: of that is the new craze where you're having the
Speaker 1: sports facilities have their own combine. Last weekend, we have
Speaker 1: exos have a bunch of their players and prospects go
Speaker 1: through their own personal pro day. We're gonna have some
Speaker 1: of these others pop up around the country. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how that information is going to get into
Speaker 1: the hands of evaluators, but we can believe that the
Speaker 1: videos and the times and those things will get there
Speaker 1: because scals are already getting these videos from trainers and
Speaker 1: the like showing the progress of some of these players
Speaker 1: that we didn't even see in twenty twenty. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think what's really important, guys and Bucky, you brought up
Speaker 1: the exos and stuff facilities in Florida, California, Texas. You
Speaker 1: know there's other ones around the country. Michael Johnson has them.
Speaker 1: There's all these What you're gonna need have to happen
Speaker 1: is there's gonna be some have to be some guys,
Speaker 1: whether you trust a guy like me, a Mark Dominic,
Speaker 1: somebody out there, other scouts that are no longer, maybe
Speaker 1: some scouts are in the media world. And are you
Speaker 1: know Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky yourself, maybe you go to a
Speaker 1: facility and these people hire you on to run drills.
Speaker 1: Be a timer. You know, if I'm sitting in a room,
Speaker 1: an NFL draft room, and someone says, Bucky Brooks got
Speaker 1: this time for me, I'm gonna believe Bucky Brooks time.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that as gospel because I know that
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks mark dominant. Brian Broadus, Guys like that are
Speaker 1: going to have attention to detail to make sure it's
Speaker 1: done the right way, because you know how important it
Speaker 1: is to have the right hightweight speed going in and
Speaker 1: putting those up on those tags up on those boards. Brian,
Speaker 1: you've been with this Cowboy's front office and you've you've
Speaker 1: seen kind of the cohesiveness that they have as a
Speaker 1: scouting department. Do you feel like they're in a good
Speaker 1: position for a draft like this specifically, because I mean,
Speaker 1: like you said, you need to have kind of that communication,
Speaker 1: You need to have that trust, You need to have
Speaker 1: that network that allows you to be confident, especially whenever
Speaker 1: you have a crazy year with so many variables like
Speaker 1: we do this year. Yeah, man, Bucky will tell you
Speaker 1: how important relationships are at schools. You know, I kind
Speaker 1: of laugh about Yeah, you don't always want to talk
Speaker 1: to the football operations guy. You want to talk to
Speaker 1: the guy who is the trainer. You want to talk
Speaker 1: to the strength guy. You want to talk to the
Speaker 1: equipment man. You know, those are the things that we're
Speaker 1: going to lose here. But hopefully you could go back
Speaker 1: and call those guys and gals and visit with them
Speaker 1: and kind of get that background information that you need. Yet,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have a veteran group of scouts. Some organizations
Speaker 1: don't have that. Some of these organizations have new general managers,
Speaker 1: so it's going to take a little bit of a
Speaker 1: time for them to adjust. I have a feeling you're
Speaker 1: going to see some of these new general managers take
Speaker 1: what information they get and then make their own decisions.
Speaker 1: It might not be a group thing, whereas the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it will be a group team because you have a
Speaker 1: veteran group that's worked with each other. That makes me
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better, especially with some of the
Speaker 1: big time decisions coming up with the Cowboys this offseason.
Speaker 1: And Brian, you've said it previously. I know Dave has
Speaker 1: mentioned it before, but that March night deadline for Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott is coming up pretty quickly here over the next
Speaker 1: eight days. I mean, we're just over a week away
Speaker 1: from that tag deadline. Is it's time for this front
Speaker 1: office to start looking at a quarterback, Dave? I mean,
Speaker 1: is this where you start kind of peeking out and
Speaker 1: seeing what might be available or what you would have
Speaker 1: to do to find a Dak replacement at that potentially
Speaker 1: false Just so I have this right, while I have
Speaker 1: difficulties with technical difficulties, you throw a bunch of softballs
Speaker 1: to these guys, and then when I get back, just
Speaker 1: in time for you to have me fire the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Is that yeah, pretty much doing Yeah, hey they did.
Speaker 1: They did enough filling while you were gone. So now
Speaker 1: now it's your well Kyle, Hey, Kyle, Kyle, I are
Speaker 1: you a steak dinner man? Thanks for giving. I mean
Speaker 1: that the easing off the webcraw. The easy answer to
Speaker 1: that question is like the I mean, the Cowboys should
Speaker 1: be doing that anyway, like you should. I mean, no good,
Speaker 1: no good. NFL front office shouldn't even if, like even
Speaker 1: if all logic says that you don't need it or
Speaker 1: it's not important. That's just not how this process is
Speaker 1: supposed to work. You're supposed to turn over every stone,
Speaker 1: look at every possible player. So I'm confident the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are doing their due diligence. If you remember last year,
Speaker 1: they made a lot of waves this time last year
Speaker 1: by interviewing Jalen Hurts, and that was, you know, back
Speaker 1: when it looked even we were even more sure than
Speaker 1: that Dak was going to get a long term deal
Speaker 1: than we probably are right now, and they were still
Speaker 1: looking at quarterbacks. So I think they're doing their due diligence.
Speaker 1: Me personally, if I'm if I'm Jerry and Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I need to seriously have those
Speaker 1: conversations until it gets a little bit closer. Certainly once
Speaker 1: the tag deadline passes, once you get into draft month,
Speaker 1: you know, April, when you're doing these visits with these players.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if the tag deadline passes without a deal,
Speaker 1: I would probably you know, I keep calling them thirty visits.
Speaker 1: Obviously they're not going to actually get to have visitors,
Speaker 1: but these zoom calls that they do, I'd probably throw
Speaker 1: a couple quarterbacks on that list if I were them
Speaker 1: and Dak doesn't have a deal by the time all
Speaker 1: that starts, right, Yeah, you know what, every day that
Speaker 1: passes by that you know, you talked about the deadline meet. Personally,
Speaker 1: I believe I've come to the realization now that Dak
Speaker 1: is going to play on the tag, and I don't
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys are going to address the quarterback situation
Speaker 1: until twenty two months. So I think what's gonna I
Speaker 1: think what's gonna happen is we're in an unusual situation
Speaker 1: in NFL now where Hall of Fame quarterbacks are being
Speaker 1: talked about being able to trade for. You know, when
Speaker 1: Bucky and I first started doing this, you would never
Speaker 1: give up on your quarterback. You just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember, I'd still have a job. If
Speaker 1: the early two thousand Cowboys didn't have to evaluate baseball
Speaker 1: players for quarterbacks, I would have called John Snyder and said, hey, listen, John,
Speaker 1: you don't like Russell Wilson. What do you want for him? Oh? Hey, well,
Speaker 1: you know, Houston, what do you want for your guy?
Speaker 1: This is unprecedented times right now, and I do feel
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys have so many things going on with
Speaker 1: their roster play with Dak on the tag, figure things
Speaker 1: out in twenty twenty two. You've got to address you
Speaker 1: can't let this quarterback position hold you hostage where you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm having to move up, I'm having to go get this,
Speaker 1: I'm having to go do that. You need to try
Speaker 1: and fix your team right now while you're in that
Speaker 1: tin hole and take all those picks, and then in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, worry about the situation in you can
Speaker 1: tag him again, you can try and compete in sign
Speaker 1: him with somebody else. But I just don't think you
Speaker 1: let it hold you hostage right now with the situation,
Speaker 1: I've changed my attitude about that this team needs a
Speaker 1: lot of repair and thinking about quarterback at ten, I
Speaker 1: don't think repair. How are you going to tag him
Speaker 1: next year? Well, here, really, here's a coup of things
Speaker 1: that we have to here's the couple of things that
Speaker 1: we have to think about. The TV deals are on
Speaker 1: the horizon. When the TV money comes in, it's going
Speaker 1: to change the composition of the salary cap. Maybe not
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, but maybe in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: And I think there's a shift in the way that
Speaker 1: we're viewing the quarterback. I think the way we're viewing
Speaker 1: the quarterback is more like college teams view their quarterbacks like, look,
Speaker 1: we may have a five star recruit and we love
Speaker 1: him and all these things, but they command so much
Speaker 1: money at the position that if you don't feel like
Speaker 1: the guy that you have is really a top five player,
Speaker 1: I think you're always looking for that because in the
Speaker 1: mind of the evaluators, you're competing against the Kansid, the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and Pat Mahomes. Pat Mahomes is kind of like
Speaker 1: the image of cam My quarterback in a shootout beat
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes. And if you don't feel confident that you
Speaker 1: have a guy that can do that, I think you're
Speaker 1: always searching for the guy that can give you a
Speaker 1: chance to win that shootout versus him. So you don't
Speaker 1: I mean, guys, I flipped on this. I do five
Speaker 1: hours or radio a day and we talk about it
Speaker 1: every single day, and I flipped on, Oh, you gotta
Speaker 1: get it done. Oh you gotta get a quarterback, Oh
Speaker 1: you got to And then I start to think, I've
Speaker 1: never been in a situation like we are today with
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks and the way that people talk about it.
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota, Uh, you know, Jameis Winston, guys that were
Speaker 1: taking very high Look what just happened with the Rams.
Speaker 1: Look what just happened with Philadelphia. People are eating huge
Speaker 1: amounts of cap just to move on from a quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know there's availability. When Russell Wilson says, hey, Dallas
Speaker 1: is a team I'd like to go play for. What
Speaker 1: my quarterback's not signed? Oh oh, you know that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. So you know, this is a different landscape
Speaker 1: we play in. Right now, Let's just let's be let's
Speaker 1: let's be let's be very clear. Let's let's be real clear.
Speaker 1: Does he want to sign with you? That's a question
Speaker 1: you have to ask you Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: getting traded. It's a different animal than Carson Wentz or
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. Carson Wentz sucks. Jared Goff kind of sucks
Speaker 1: like he's you don't know, Johnny. I'm just saying, let's
Speaker 1: let's see him do it. Let's see him actually trade
Speaker 1: one of the three best quarterbacks in the league. Because
Speaker 1: that's a different animal than trading guys that you were
Speaker 1: at signing. Because that ain't fact. The fact that people
Speaker 1: are even talking about it should take it tells me
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson wants the Seahawks to draft him an offensive
Speaker 1: line and he's trying to scare him into doing it.
Speaker 1: That's what it tells me. Well, that's that's that's a
Speaker 1: different thing. But there's there's where there's smoke, there's fire.
Speaker 1: And I think what's happening is you have two different
Speaker 1: things that play. You have this quarterback environment movement where
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are trying to flex and have more say, and
Speaker 1: I think you have a pushback because we have always
Speaker 1: basically treated the quarterback position by pinning those guys in
Speaker 1: bubble rap. We never talked about him, we didn't criticize,
Speaker 1: and we never brought in players to compete with them
Speaker 1: because the quarterbacks were too fragile and they would fall apart.
Speaker 1: And I think now what you're seeing their disposable commodities.
Speaker 1: And people are saying, if if you're going to command
Speaker 1: all of this money and your performance isn't up to part,
Speaker 1: we will move off from you, or we're not going
Speaker 1: to set up for mediocrity. We'll go looking for the
Speaker 1: next one. And so it's a changing thing because we've
Speaker 1: always talked about the quarterback in terms of a fifteen
Speaker 1: year player at the position for your team, and I
Speaker 1: don't think teams are looking at that. It's a five
Speaker 1: year playing to get the quarterback up and running and
Speaker 1: if he's not playing, get a super bull level we're
Speaker 1: looking for. All I know is Jason Light, Jason Light,
Speaker 1: and Tampa saved his job by going to get a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback. He didn't have one though, Like
Speaker 1: he went, he went, but he didn't have a good
Speaker 1: one already in town. He needed a quarterback and that's
Speaker 1: he had the first He had the first overall. Say
Speaker 1: he had had a high school custry learner in a
Speaker 1: first overall pick there though, Yeah, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: didn't work out. It's kind of like what Buck he's saying.
Speaker 1: I think it's exactly what Bucky just talked about. It's
Speaker 1: that five year plan and if year quarterback doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: then you move on. But that's what's confusing about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys situations because he was a low capital draft pick
Speaker 1: in the fourth round and it's not like he hasn't
Speaker 1: worked out. It's just hasn't been elite. I guess you
Speaker 1: could say, but he's been borderline elite. Yeah, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think what happened the Cowboys misplayed it.
Speaker 1: I won't say Dak hasn't played it. I had enough
Speaker 1: level to get the money. But when the Cowboys kept
Speaker 1: refusing to give him, Jimmy Garoppolo money and Derek car
Speaker 1: money because it appeared to be oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: too much, or Jared Goff and Carson Wentz money. Oh
Speaker 1: that's too much. Hey, the quarterback prices never go down,
Speaker 1: they only go up. And so what you have to
Speaker 1: do is you have to bite the bullet and listen
Speaker 1: to the Twitter verse come at you for paying the
Speaker 1: guys so much. But in three hut into sixty five days,
Speaker 1: that contract that was once number one margin is now
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth contract at the position, and you
Speaker 1: just have to understand that's what it is. And I
Speaker 1: completely agree with that, Bucky, and that's what I always
Speaker 1: say it. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo is nowhere close to
Speaker 1: the top of the market and it's only been like
Speaker 1: two years since he said it, And that's what I've said.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I feel like people lose sight
Speaker 1: of that because we're in this holding pattern because of COVID.
Speaker 1: But to your point, the CAP's going to explode in
Speaker 1: the next year or two anyway, when these deals, when
Speaker 1: these deals start coming in, it's going to be back
Speaker 1: to business as usual. And even at forty million, as
Speaker 1: ridiculous as that will be a bargain, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a bara. I believe what I'm hearing from Fleecevest over here.
Speaker 1: The guy, the guy that, the guy that taught me
Speaker 1: that the draft is about four and five years is like,
Speaker 1: screw it will go year to year. Let's just run this.
Speaker 1: Let's just run this thing. Like do you think the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Do you think the Cowboys are realistically? I'm obviously anything
Speaker 1: can happen. Crazy stuff happens in this league all the time.
Speaker 1: But like, yes, Dave, I do think what am I
Speaker 1: about to say? You were about to ask me if
Speaker 1: they're really willing to walk? No, I'm about to ask
Speaker 1: you if they are really a legitimate Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, lost track of the year. Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: was seven and five. At one point they got on
Speaker 1: a run. They got on a run that there they
Speaker 1: started playing great on That was eight. That was a
Speaker 1: really good roster that added a whole bunch of talent.
Speaker 1: They were seven and five and got beat by Kansas City.
Speaker 1: They were kind of like, well, is this really the
Speaker 1: path we want to go? Is? You know? Come on, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you it is you. It is a
Speaker 1: new world out there, and that's why Brian's trying to
Speaker 1: get to the lake to boil crawfish every weekend, because
Speaker 1: it doesn't compute to the old man brain. You know,
Speaker 1: I understand. I didn't. I don't like it, but you
Speaker 1: know what, that's the way the game is. So you're
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm out of it. I'm not. You are
Speaker 1: comfortable if you are comfortable tagging Dak. I'm cooking. I'm
Speaker 1: comfortable cooking crawl be both tag Dak. I'm not really,
Speaker 1: I'm not really. Come on, but they don't. They don't really,
Speaker 1: they don't do anything depressing. We can talk about that
Speaker 1: out there. But you're so, I mean, yes, Bran, I know,
Speaker 1: I know the rules say that you can tag Dak
Speaker 1: next year, but it's it's almost impossible from a true
Speaker 1: financial standpoint, Like you gotta pay him like one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty percent of the salary he's already making. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So so he goes up. It goes up to fit
Speaker 1: four million dollars over three year payout. It would be
Speaker 1: a one hundred and twenty two million. But here, here's
Speaker 1: what the league is going to David, and I think
Speaker 1: Brian and I like it's been tough for us because,
Speaker 1: like we always thought about it, in three and five
Speaker 1: year increments, right, you want to build your team up
Speaker 1: to the point in three to five years. We're in
Speaker 1: the mix. We have like a couple of year run
Speaker 1: or whatever, and what the general managers are doing today
Speaker 1: it is about this year and this year only. I'll
Speaker 1: push off the cap and I'll deal with the cabin
Speaker 1: next year and I'll rebuild the team. And there's a
Speaker 1: fantasy football element to building the team. Even when we
Speaker 1: look at the Kanna City Chiefs and only bring them
Speaker 1: up is because they signed Patrick Mahomes. They put Travis
Speaker 1: Kelsey and Tyreek Hill and their main guys on deals
Speaker 1: at all expire at the same time, and it's like
Speaker 1: a two or three year window out from now, and
Speaker 1: I think teams are looking at that like, hey man,
Speaker 1: I can't worry about what I'm doing in five years.
Speaker 1: I need to make sure that I have my job.
Speaker 1: And the only way I can keep my job is
Speaker 1: to make sure that the product that I put out
Speaker 1: this year as a winning product, and we look like
Speaker 1: we're close enough to go and next year, I'll do
Speaker 1: it next year and next year. That's the only way
Speaker 1: you can do it. And so it makes it where
Speaker 1: in the draft I need right now prospects. I don't
Speaker 1: need projects. I need guys that I can put in
Speaker 1: the lineup right away. I don't have time to develop
Speaker 1: and the rest of the roster. I need to put
Speaker 1: it around the quarterback and figure out how we can
Speaker 1: get it going to win right now. I never thought
Speaker 1: a guy from North Carolina could be that smart, you know,
Speaker 1: with the way I'm just but he need it without seriously.
Speaker 1: He captured he captured all the veteran scouts feelings right
Speaker 1: now it is it's it's not about it's about really,
Speaker 1: it's about preserving your job, because what happens is you're
Speaker 1: willing to move on, you move on, you move on.
Speaker 1: Howard Rossman in Philadelphia, he saved his job. The guy
Speaker 1: saved his job. But what does he have to do
Speaker 1: now He has to continue to try and save his job.
Speaker 1: If he does it, and he trades away things again,
Speaker 1: and it's cap Hell's situation. It's somebody else's problem. That's
Speaker 1: not my problem. How we will go get an assistance
Speaker 1: job somewhere or who'll go be something somewhere else, but
Speaker 1: it'll be somebody else's problems. People don't have time anymore.
Speaker 1: The luxury of waiting on a roster to develop it
Speaker 1: no longer happened. Dave called her with the Jacksonville jat Marsh.
Speaker 1: He fixed the cap, get all the picks, all the money.
Speaker 1: Guess what, somebody else is gonna pick this and build
Speaker 1: this team with all things. Thank you for you, Dave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dave tried like hell. Dave knew, he tried like hell
Speaker 1: to go up in the draft to get that quarterback
Speaker 1: from Oregon that the Charger's got. He knew he is
Speaker 1: only chance, his only chance of keeping his job was
Speaker 1: going to get that guy. And he couldn't get there.
Speaker 1: What happened, lost his job. You know that. That's that's
Speaker 1: reality in this day at age. I can't stand y'all.
Speaker 1: I'm i'm, i'm i and the other thing. Also, like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, there's a show on Thursday. You can do, Dave,
Speaker 1: if you want. The Cowboys don't even need to build
Speaker 1: their roster like this is a roster that can compete
Speaker 1: right now if you have a quarterback, by the way,
Speaker 1: if you have, and that's defense, that's why you would
Speaker 1: preferably use all those draft picks on fixing that and
Speaker 1: keeping your very good quarterback here to keep your team afloat.
Speaker 1: We're saying it, yeah, and then we'll figuring out next year.
Speaker 1: That's exactly. That's that's exactly. We're in the leasing, not buying.
Speaker 1: We just want to lease the car. Do you want
Speaker 1: to buy it. We'll just check it out and if
Speaker 1: we like the model again, we'll sign up for it again.
Speaker 1: If not, we'll move off. This is interesting. We need
Speaker 1: to sign a leasing company on I sure they probably
Speaker 1: sponsorship listening to this. If you can figure it out,
Speaker 1: let's get in contact, let's figure something out. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the debate that's been going on, Dave.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been a part of the ship. I no, no,
Speaker 1: I know that's the debate. I just thought my guys
Speaker 1: were with me and they're not like that you just saw.
Speaker 1: But with you. I love I love the player, but
Speaker 1: at some point we have to pay. You got to
Speaker 1: do his best for the franchise, right, Yeah, it's business
Speaker 1: is business on both sides. And yeah, he's he's got
Speaker 1: to want to sign though, too. He's got to want
Speaker 1: to sign. He looks in the distance and he sees
Speaker 1: free agency. You gotta he's got to want to sign.
Speaker 1: It's just just just for the record. Like it again,
Speaker 1: what do I want to sign? Dac? Of course I've
Speaker 1: made that very clear. But we all But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: If you're not, if you don't want to, that's great.
Speaker 1: Move on. Invest in the future of the position, is
Speaker 1: my point. Like the thought, the thought of saying we'll
Speaker 1: just get to next year and figure it out is terrifying.
Speaker 1: Who not like oh no, no, no, like, like, come on,
Speaker 1: man it lands, Dave, you could just landscape what Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers they were talking about Aaron Rodgers being available? Come on?
Speaker 1: Talking about and doing it are two different things. A
Speaker 1: good quarterback, a truly great quarterback, has yet to get traded.
Speaker 1: Tell me I'm wrong. Uh no, no, not a very
Speaker 1: disappointing number one overall pick. Another very disappointing number one
Speaker 1: overall pick, and a number two overall pick was the
Speaker 1: worst starting quarterback in the league last year. Like, that's
Speaker 1: who's gotten traded so far? When Russ or Rogers or
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson gets traded, come find me. But teams don't
Speaker 1: let go of those guys. It's a possibility though it's
Speaker 1: of those I would keep an eye on number three. Run. Hey,
Speaker 1: I think that, I think that, I think that thing
Speaker 1: with Russ is real because what you have is a philosophical,
Speaker 1: philosophical difference in how to win games from the coach,
Speaker 1: and the money just doesn't work with that. It's just
Speaker 1: a quarterback get on either side. They would have to
Speaker 1: eat forty million dollars worth of cap. I mean, it
Speaker 1: would just not work out well. Now, I keep thinking
Speaker 1: back whenever we have these conversations, whenever Dak Prescott's not
Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty two, or like BET's assuming that,
Speaker 1: I keep thinking of Chad Hutchinson, Quincy Carter, Anthony Dad.
Speaker 1: I just say it was the Quincy Carter, Chad Hudsinson, Drew.
Speaker 1: That's what Fleet, That's what wants Drew. But that's what
Speaker 1: Byan wants to do. Yon wants to go back to
Speaker 1: that one. I know those quarterbacks. Quarterbacks were not available. Sure,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take in Tom Brady in the fifth round,
Speaker 1: and I'd still be a scouting probably, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's reality. That's reality. They got Dak Prescott in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. It can happen. It's a different it
Speaker 1: can happen. It's a different it's a different it's a
Speaker 1: different time now, like you get quarterback. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: let's think about this, you lsu go Tigers guys. Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow came from the Crip to be the number one
Speaker 1: overall pick, and so Matt Jones is going to experience
Speaker 1: a similar magic carpet ride. He won't be number one overall,
Speaker 1: but he's going to be drafted much I think any
Speaker 1: of us would have expected prior to this season. And
Speaker 1: so next year in twenty twenty two, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some other quarterback that shows up and we can be like, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy's one of the best quarterback prospects that we've seen.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. So you're worried about what's behind
Speaker 1: door number two, Dave, there's gonna be a quarterback behind
Speaker 1: door number two. Let's make a deal and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will be picking somewhere between fifteen and twenty four, and
Speaker 1: they won't have a shot at they won't have a
Speaker 1: shot out. You think it just gonna ends, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be picking thirty two guys. We're gonna we're gonna figure
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, if they're picking, if they're picking too high,
Speaker 1: then they'll keep the quarterback. If they're picking like down
Speaker 1: at the bottom, they'll keep the quarterback. If we all
Speaker 1: have this completely, all start over my deck. It's ten
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. Ruined my entire day. Thank you. Well,
Speaker 1: let's ruin it a little bit more when we come
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Speaker 1: Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show on the
Speaker 1: segment number two here the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Yes,
Speaker 1: David Hellman is still sitting in his chair, thank goodness.
Speaker 1: He did not get up and leave and thought about it,
Speaker 1: end up pushing his responsibilities to Thursday, and he is
Speaker 1: still a part of it even though he did think
Speaker 1: about it. But time now to get into one of
Speaker 1: our favorite segments and some Twitter on the twenty. Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty as always from Chris Beam in the back,
Speaker 1: and the first question comes from Tony Baker. He said,
Speaker 1: if the draft rolls around and Dak Prescott is not signed,
Speaker 1: which quarterback would best fit the Cowboys system? Mister David Helman,
Speaker 1: I'll push this toward you, and he said, should Dallas
Speaker 1: trade up in this scenario? Okay? And I love this
Speaker 1: question because, again, if you're not going to sign Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: I looked this up. The Cowboys have only picked in
Speaker 1: the top ten nine times and Jerry Jones it doesn't
Speaker 1: happen all that often. Like obviously we all know they
Speaker 1: haven't reached the mountaintop. But they're usually not bad enough
Speaker 1: to be this high in the draft. That's what makes
Speaker 1: this a unique opportunity. Trevor Lawrence is out of the question,
Speaker 1: and honestly, maybe I'm buying too much into the hype,
Speaker 1: but I tend to think Zach Wilson's probably out of
Speaker 1: the question at this point as well, And that leaves
Speaker 1: you with the choice of Justin Fields or Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: And honestly, again, like, am I confident that either one
Speaker 1: of them is going to be a star in the NFL?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, but I'm happy to take that risk to
Speaker 1: make sure I have a quarterback because despite what Brian
Speaker 1: and Bucky think, I just don't think you can find
Speaker 1: those guys every single offseason in the NFL. I don't
Speaker 1: think good ones are made available very often. I will
Speaker 1: readjust my expectations if I'm proven wrong. But if you
Speaker 1: tell me that next year's you know, if I could
Speaker 1: package some of my picks this year to get up
Speaker 1: like to say seven or eight, that's great or even
Speaker 1: you know, like if in Atlanta, let's say Justin Fields
Speaker 1: is sitting there at for Atlanta decides they don't want
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback in the future, they want to
Speaker 1: give Matt Ryan a few more years. I'd give up
Speaker 1: next year's one to go up there and get Justin Field.
Speaker 1: Tell you I would, why the hell not? And so yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's the type of stuff that I would consider
Speaker 1: if Dak Prescott is not under contract for sure, Bucky, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Justin Fields would be to play. I think
Speaker 1: he would be the move just because one, he's talented,
Speaker 1: and I think there's some similarities in his game in
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's game. I think he's a more explosive athlete
Speaker 1: in college than Dak Prescott was, even though Dak was
Speaker 1: really really good in terms of what he did in
Speaker 1: the SEC. And I just think, depending upon how you
Speaker 1: want to build this offense, I think he could give
Speaker 1: you a lot of the new school stuff that you want,
Speaker 1: and so I would go for him. Trey Lance, to me,
Speaker 1: is very, very talented, but I think it's a different
Speaker 1: conversation if he comes to the building just because of
Speaker 1: his lack of overall experience. When you only have seventeen starts,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to understand what you're going to get.
Speaker 1: And I think you can say the same thing for
Speaker 1: Mac Jones because he only has seventeen starts as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think though you have to think about the thing
Speaker 1: that I saw with Trey Lances. He's got some Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott like trades though, big guy physical runs over people.
Speaker 1: The more you let him play in the game, the
Speaker 1: better he tends to play. Ball really comes off his hands.
Speaker 1: You know, probably a kid that practiced, you know, lived
Speaker 1: in cold weather or something not that he you know,
Speaker 1: has to. But you always want a quarterback in paths
Speaker 1: at least that experience because you do play in the
Speaker 1: the NFC East, where you play outdoors at Washington in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: New York. You know those are You don't want those
Speaker 1: things to be shocks to your body. I'll throw a
Speaker 1: name out there, though it doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: first round guy. And I studied this kid and I
Speaker 1: really like his game. Davis Mills from Stanford is a
Speaker 1: quarterback that's there's a lot to like about his game
Speaker 1: in my opinion, as far as the ability the touch
Speaker 1: he takes shots down the field, he could be accurate.
Speaker 1: He's got enough escapability. He's a smart kid, he's a
Speaker 1: good ball handler, looks like he protects the football. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of things I really liked about his game,
Speaker 1: and I think the more you dig in to some
Speaker 1: of these second, third, fourth round guys, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit more of a risk than taking a guy
Speaker 1: trade up situation. But I think we also we are
Speaker 1: all focusing on that guy, the Trey Lance the Fields.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you guys about those players, but
Speaker 1: I think you need to also kind of take a
Speaker 1: look at those other guys down and again, Davis Mills
Speaker 1: from Stanford was a kid that I really took a
Speaker 1: liking to. He was a bit of a dark horse
Speaker 1: in this class. Whenever he came to the quarterbacks, it
Speaker 1: was really those top guys and then the guys who
Speaker 1: were at the Senior Bowl, and then Davis Mills was
Speaker 1: kind of about a nowhere. Hey, hello, here he is.
Speaker 1: And I watched all the quarterbacks again this week, and
Speaker 1: he throws a really nice ball. I love the way
Speaker 1: he connects with his receivers. He gives them an opportunity
Speaker 1: for yards after the catch, and he's got that flick
Speaker 1: of the ris uh and some solid arm strength as well.
Speaker 1: And plus and you guys were talking about justin fields.
Speaker 1: We're going through our draft magazine and our rankings and
Speaker 1: things I have. Justin Fields is my number two quarterback
Speaker 1: above Zach Wilson. Call me crazy. I don't feel I'm
Speaker 1: not bought in on the one year wonder just yet
Speaker 1: of Zach Wilson. I think you be a solid quarter
Speaker 1: but I think Justin Fields is just a better prospect overall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not You're not crazy. I mean, let's let's be
Speaker 1: honest about Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson was a three star
Speaker 1: recruit in high school. Zach Wilson did some things in flash,
Speaker 1: but he had a social year. In fact, he was
Speaker 1: competing for his job heading into this season, and so
Speaker 1: I don't think he is what he's being made out
Speaker 1: to be. I think he is a very talented player.
Speaker 1: But I think whatever holes you want to poke in
Speaker 1: Justin Fields this game, you can poke similar holes or
Speaker 1: different holes in Zach Wilson's game. And so I think
Speaker 1: all these those two guys are in the same clus.
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of one is probably a little
Speaker 1: more conventional in terms of how he plays. Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: is like a ready a player, but sizewise, he's only
Speaker 1: two and ten two hundred and fifteen pounds. Compared to
Speaker 1: Justin Fields two twenty five to thirty, a thicker, denser athlete.
Speaker 1: I think at some point you have to have those
Speaker 1: conversations about him. No, by the way, he wasn't a
Speaker 1: captain before his team. It may not mean a lot
Speaker 1: to some people, but it's still means a lot to
Speaker 1: me that he wasn't the captain of his team, even
Speaker 1: though he may have served them leave. I'm a big
Speaker 1: Wilson fan, but people are just hoping and banking that
Speaker 1: he is another Mahomes because he can do that. He
Speaker 1: can do that freaky stuff. He can make the off
Speaker 1: schedule throws and throw at sixty yards off his back foot,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and that's that's all it is in
Speaker 1: my opinion. Yeah, yeah, the only thing. Yeah, the thing
Speaker 1: I think you have to caution us when we compare
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, Like I do believe level of competition and
Speaker 1: who you play matters. Like the only big game that
Speaker 1: by you played was close to Carolina, and in that
Speaker 1: game he has some flashes, but he didn't have it
Speaker 1: and it was the first time that he really got
Speaker 1: touched up as we like to say, like he got
Speaker 1: hit in the Coastal Carolina game. And he didn't play
Speaker 1: the same way that he played against all those other teams.
Speaker 1: I think it's an Apples to Orange comparison because we
Speaker 1: never get to see the gas pay against the same slate.
Speaker 1: But I think he is a little overvalue just in
Speaker 1: terms of what he's bringing to the table and how
Speaker 1: he's been pushed up the boards to the number two spot.
Speaker 1: And it's like, without question, he's certainly a walking highlight
Speaker 1: reel and he's gonna be picked up and somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: take a chance on him early. But I just have
Speaker 1: justin fields before him, because of the experience, because of
Speaker 1: the trades, because of the consistency that he did it with,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit better than what Zach Wilson had.
Speaker 1: All Right, this next question I really like, and this
Speaker 1: comes from Christian. He says, if we don't go cornerback
Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys in the first and instead double
Speaker 1: dipping corner in the next couple of rounds, are there
Speaker 1: two cornerbacks that you guys would like to see in
Speaker 1: rounds two, three, and four. It kind of like how
Speaker 1: we did in twenty seventeen with Cheetoowoozier and Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: and even last year with Trayvon Diggs and Reggie Robinson.
Speaker 1: Are there guys in that day two, Day three mix
Speaker 1: that intrigue you at corner Bucket, I'm really hung up
Speaker 1: on like these bloodline kids, legacy kids. Elijah Molden to
Speaker 1: me is someone that's really really interesting, but he's interesting
Speaker 1: in a role. I think he's the best nickel corner
Speaker 1: in the draft. I think his experience in the way
Speaker 1: that he plays fits the way that dan Quinn wants
Speaker 1: to play. He's tough, he's athletic. He does a great
Speaker 1: job of playing in that slot position because I think
Speaker 1: you have to have a resume of playing in there
Speaker 1: to know if someone can do it well. He has that,
Speaker 1: and so his experience and expertise in that role. He
Speaker 1: is someone that would be very, very intriguing for me
Speaker 1: because when you think about being in nickel situations, about
Speaker 1: seventy percent of a time that nickel corner is a starter. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I draft a starter
Speaker 1: at that position, provided that you're able to find someone
Speaker 1: on the other side of the Trayvon Digs or you
Speaker 1: bring one of the guys back to continue to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what's going to happen? Excuse me?
Speaker 1: With the Clemson kid, you know, now he is he
Speaker 1: was supposed to return and now he is you know been,
Speaker 1: Oh he's out. Yeah, Kendrick, you know Kendrick is. And
Speaker 1: so I wonder what his situation is going to be
Speaker 1: because I remember evaluating him. That's a talented guy right there.
Speaker 1: So there's another guy you add to the mix. But
Speaker 1: I'm also and you talk about those kind of those
Speaker 1: second round guys to me. Melopom Wu from Syracuse, I
Speaker 1: mean sixty three, two hundred and fifteen pounds. I mean,
Speaker 1: there is a lot to like about his gay Bucky
Speaker 1: mentioned Molden. I mean, I absolutely love him. I have
Speaker 1: him in the same range. Greg Newsome from Northwestern. I mean,
Speaker 1: there these are some kids that if you get to
Speaker 1: forty four, and you know, my hope, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: double on this thing, don't double like, don't make it
Speaker 1: a thing like, oh, we're gonna take two corners and
Speaker 1: take one in the first and then take one in
Speaker 1: the fifth. If you're gonna do it, big, bang it,
Speaker 1: bang it, you know, do both of them, go at
Speaker 1: ten and go at forty four, And you know that's
Speaker 1: the way, you fix the position right there, because when
Speaker 1: you look at your board when we get to forty four,
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks are gonna be just like blinking lights, like
Speaker 1: take me, take me, take me, you know that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And seriously, it's like we're gonna get in
Speaker 1: the draft. If Bucky's gonna be doing TV and we're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing this or whatever, and if Bucky's gonna say, Bucky,
Speaker 1: who's your best player, best available player, He's gonna start
Speaker 1: talking about these quarters. So make sure you kind of
Speaker 1: grab those guys early. But it does stretch, but man,
Speaker 1: the quality of them needs to be addressed early. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I'll just add. I mean, I think y'all covered
Speaker 1: it beautifully. Ill. I mean, I feel like we haven't
Speaker 1: mentioned the Stanford guy Pauls and Nadevo. That's another name
Speaker 1: that I would consider like. And then I'm in love
Speaker 1: with the idea of getting good value at pick forty four.
Speaker 1: I think I've brought this up before, but if somebody
Speaker 1: like Tyson Campbell were to fall to me in the
Speaker 1: second brown, I'm I'm ecstatic about a pick like that.
Speaker 1: But my thing is, if you're double dipping on cornerback
Speaker 1: man I hope you did some work in free agency
Speaker 1: because even even when they double dipped with Cheeto and Jordan,
Speaker 1: they had veterans here. I'm not saying they were great,
Speaker 1: but you had Anthony Brown, you had Orlando Scandrick, you
Speaker 1: had Nolan Carroll. They even traded for ben abin Wickery
Speaker 1: that year just to cover themselves. Right now, you got
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, and I guess you got Reggie Robinson, who
Speaker 1: they moved to safety. Like that's really it in terms
Speaker 1: of Jesus. Yeah, Trayvon Diggs, of course, thank you. Point being,
Speaker 1: you just don't. You don't have the same level of bodies.
Speaker 1: So like, if you want to bring back Cheeto or Jordan,
Speaker 1: more power to you. Or if you want to go
Speaker 1: get somebody else, but help dipping, because you need both
Speaker 1: of those guys to contribute early because history suggests that
Speaker 1: they don't. Well. No, But but then again, Dave, we're
Speaker 1: drafting at ten. If you're talking first, if you're talking
Speaker 1: first and second round, absolutely, Trayvon was picked fifty one.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, you know, even Jordan Lewis, it took
Speaker 1: him a long time to get his feet wet. Again.
Speaker 1: We were all sky high about Reggie Robinson drafted in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. The guy played like one defensive snap
Speaker 1: all seasons. So the later you get and especially what cornerback,
Speaker 1: for my money, is the hardest position in football other
Speaker 1: than maybe quarterback. So the further you go from the
Speaker 1: first round, the less good I feel about it. Like
Speaker 1: you're you know, pick ten and pick forty four are
Speaker 1: probably the only spots where I would expect that guy
Speaker 1: to be a regular starter right away. I'd be okay
Speaker 1: with a corner at forty four because there are guys
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, Brian went through a bunch of
Speaker 1: names like Newsome, and even if one of these other
Speaker 1: guys and Samuel Samuel, yeah, like a stove Cable is
Speaker 1: a guy. I don't know if anybody likes Lenore from Oregon.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a shorter guy, that's a competitive sum
Speaker 1: a gun. There's there's pockets of these quarterbacks that like
Speaker 1: it's like pockets of wide receivers. You know, you feel good,
Speaker 1: I mean you do you feel good? Like, oh, second round,
Speaker 1: third round. You look at your board when you put
Speaker 1: it up, and you're going, man, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of good players are in that third round, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, guys who might even get picked in
Speaker 1: the second round, you know, from that from those spots.
Speaker 1: I think the only way I would feel more comfortable
Speaker 1: about a pick a corner at forty four is if
Speaker 1: they go offensive tackle at ten. If they wanted to
Speaker 1: try and show up the offensive tackle at ten, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be okay there because there are starting corners at
Speaker 1: forty four. Are there starting starting caliber offensive tackles at
Speaker 1: forty four and in the in the third round? Probably not?
Speaker 1: Do you think about Eikenberg from what do you think
Speaker 1: about the Notre Dame Notre Dame, What do you think
Speaker 1: about Leatherwood? I mean, those are all guys I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like might fall out of that that first round,
Speaker 1: early second round type of guy. Uh, maybe I'm too
Speaker 1: low on Jenkins, you know, I kind of see there's
Speaker 1: a pocket of guys there for that. If if that's
Speaker 1: the round I think, I think. I think if you're
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and if you're thinking about offensive tackle, if
Speaker 1: it's a consideration, which it should be, go and get
Speaker 1: one of the best ones. Like no, that's around because
Speaker 1: because you're talking about like I agree, agree, you're talking yeah,
Speaker 1: long term long term investment behind Tyron Smith whatever, like,
Speaker 1: go ahead and get go ahead and get one. Get
Speaker 1: a dude, spend the capital to get one. So you
Speaker 1: can feel good about that offense. Because, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: we can talk about fixing the defense. Fixing the defense
Speaker 1: is a multi year project. The best thing that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can do to fix their defense is to make
Speaker 1: sure that their offense can put it thirty burgers up
Speaker 1: on everybody and make people chase points and do those things.
Speaker 1: And so sometimes you build strength on strength. Make sure
Speaker 1: that the offense is ready to go and they can
Speaker 1: put up points each and every week, and then it's
Speaker 1: a lot easier to rush the pass or do those
Speaker 1: things when they're obvious passing situations. I love it, Bucky.
Speaker 1: Bucky's a part of forty team forty Burger Dave, how
Speaker 1: about matter? It doesn't that make you feel better from
Speaker 1: after that first moment? No, because Bucky just said you
Speaker 1: need a quarterback. But he's like, well, yeah, you need
Speaker 1: a great quarterback. So that's probably what we should do.
Speaker 1: But let's you got one. You got one for one year,
Speaker 1: got one year? Then were my mind today? That's oh
Speaker 1: this it's fine. He's Kawhi Leonard rats. He's Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 1: We're just trying to win the ship this year. Then
Speaker 1: we get figured it out afterwards, and look what the
Speaker 1: scout cornerbacks on the Draft show next year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: can figure out how to do the salary cap. We'll
Speaker 1: figure it out. Got a really fun question, and I
Speaker 1: know we're cutting into pet cat time. We may only
Speaker 1: hit a couple pet cats, but we'll do it again
Speaker 1: next week as well. But this comes from Red and
Speaker 1: I like this question a lot. He said, what's your
Speaker 1: favorite same school tandem that you would like to see
Speaker 1: a team take? And he said, for instance, his vote
Speaker 1: was Northwestern with Rashon s Later Greg Newsome offensive tackle, cornerback.
Speaker 1: We just talked about those two guys in their their
Speaker 1: position groups, but is there a same school tan them
Speaker 1: that you guys can see the Cowboys potentially looking at
Speaker 1: throughout the quick Oh just just just for us. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll tell you what I've loved. And this
Speaker 1: is selfish. This is completely selfish. This is completely selfish.
Speaker 1: I love I love Kama from Notre Dame. I love
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. And I mentioned the tackle and I think
Speaker 1: the tackle is going to be a really really good
Speaker 1: one too. That's a really kind of a cool combination.
Speaker 1: It's a linebacker that I think it's gonna play safety.
Speaker 1: You know, But if you just talk about football players,
Speaker 1: I ain't Notre Dame has done a really good job
Speaker 1: of putting some guys out. I know everybody right now
Speaker 1: there's losing their mind about Jalen Smith or whatever. But
Speaker 1: this team, that their offensive lineman that they put out,
Speaker 1: they've done a great job. This linebacker looks like to
Speaker 1: me linebacker safety is you could do a lot with him.
Speaker 1: I do like the combination of those two guys right there.
Speaker 1: I think you can even I think you can even
Speaker 1: look at the combination. I hope I don't take somebody's
Speaker 1: here with If you talk about Barbore, answer Tan, I
Speaker 1: mean something, I mean, some somehow, some way that if
Speaker 1: you got back on the trade. I mean there's yeah,
Speaker 1: if you got back into back into that draft. But
Speaker 1: that's a that would be a pretty good fixable combination
Speaker 1: right there for you. I mean, Alabama is going to
Speaker 1: be the easy answer, just because there's like a dozen
Speaker 1: of them. I mean, you know, if you give me
Speaker 1: Curtain and Barmore, how about Curtain and Leatherwood Lan. I
Speaker 1: don't love Dylan Moses. I mean I would maybe as
Speaker 1: long as it's like geez, as long as I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would draft him in the top
Speaker 1: one hundred, but yeah, sure either way. Um, how about okay,
Speaker 1: how about Washington? If you told me I could get oh,
Speaker 1: if you told me I could get LEVI own Urine
Speaker 1: and uh and Elijah Weldon on this Yeah, at the
Speaker 1: same time. Absolutely, I'd be here for that. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go, there you go. Oh man, you took mine.
Speaker 1: I'm now scrambling to find another one. I was thinking
Speaker 1: maybe Richie Grant at UCF and then maybe taking one
Speaker 1: of his teammates. Yeah, yeah, I was thinking maybe those
Speaker 1: two guys, and that would sure up the backside of
Speaker 1: your safety s excuse me, your secondary. So I mean
Speaker 1: there are plenty of tandems I think throughout the draft.
Speaker 1: I think that's a fun topic to think about because
Speaker 1: you don't normally see that, and we saw it last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys went with first round pick Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb and then Neville Gallimore in the third, So we
Speaker 1: saw a tandem of teammates coming to Dallas. And so
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily out of the question to see someone
Speaker 1: take a couple of guys from the same school, all right,
Speaker 1: running over time. When we come back, we're gonna hit
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Speaker 1: And of course, over the next couple of weeks, the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Star Draft magazine will be coming out, and
Speaker 1: then there is plenty of profiles, stories and contributions from
Speaker 1: everybody on this show. And then of course Bucky Brooks
Speaker 1: has got some pet cats that he's going to talk
Speaker 1: about at each of the positions, and we're gonna start
Speaker 1: kind of going through through these. We only have ten
Speaker 1: minutes left on this show, but we can hit this
Speaker 1: from week to week as well. But we all have
Speaker 1: our pet cats. It's gotten to that point where the
Speaker 1: combine should be in the review mirror if there would
Speaker 1: have been a combine, And we are starting to put
Speaker 1: these boards together, so the pet cats are starting to
Speaker 1: kind of come to fruition. And Bucky, are there any
Speaker 1: specific guys that kind of stick out even out of
Speaker 1: your pet cats? The pet cats of the pet Cats
Speaker 1: of the pet Cats. I think it's funny because I
Speaker 1: am now becoming a strong proponent of let's not draft
Speaker 1: any wide receivers in the first round, because it's been
Speaker 1: proven that we can find so many other guys outside
Speaker 1: of the first round that can play. Rashad Bateman is
Speaker 1: a guy that I think can be big time at
Speaker 1: the next level. When I look at him, just his hands,
Speaker 1: his ability due to dirty work outside the numbers, between
Speaker 1: the hashes. He catches all the fifty fifty balls that
Speaker 1: you want to see, and then he has some run
Speaker 1: after catchability. When I look at the success that Michael
Speaker 1: Thomas and A. J. Brown have had in the league,
Speaker 1: I just think there's always a place on your team
Speaker 1: for a guy who has that kind of ability as
Speaker 1: a number one receiver. I'll tell you what, Bucky Man,
Speaker 1: it's the packer way right receiver in the first round. Right.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? It's like I've come around at
Speaker 1: that realization and this is something it's ingrating you when
Speaker 1: you started scouting. Don't let me get away with that.
Speaker 1: No you don't think Bateman's a first round receiver? Oh no, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just busting a Bucky because he okay, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like when you when you list those guys, like when
Speaker 1: you see the top five's like he's not always included
Speaker 1: in that list, you like he's I think Bucky's got
Speaker 1: him right. I think Bucky's got him right. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think he You watch him play, there's some nastiness
Speaker 1: to his game, you know, and I give me those.
Speaker 1: It's always funny because maybe this is something we learned
Speaker 1: to green Bay. Give me the cold weather, no sleeves,
Speaker 1: tough snow fly and that guy make it plays when
Speaker 1: conditions are bad. This kid is that way. He plays
Speaker 1: in nasty days and is super super productive. I think
Speaker 1: Bucky's got him right, I really do. I love the kid.
Speaker 1: Me perse ironic that you know, people say stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And the guy that put green Bay on his back
Speaker 1: for the entire nineties is from southern Mississippi. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: he hated cold weather. He actually he told you what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said one time you each put vasiline on her
Speaker 1: face as stuffy after a game. He said he put
Speaker 1: vasili in places he never thought he would. Talking about
Speaker 1: Brett Farr for anybody that's lost anyway, I'm actually surprised.
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought I was going to be rocking
Speaker 1: the boat by bringing up wide receiver because obviously it's
Speaker 1: not a huge need for this team. But you're sitting
Speaker 1: here thinking, you know, we're talking about what to do
Speaker 1: about Michael Gallup. You know, maybe you trade him, maybe
Speaker 1: you let him walk. So if you're a good drafting team,
Speaker 1: you solve your issues a year ahead of time. Guys,
Speaker 1: by the way, just like I said about quarterback, so
Speaker 1: a guy that I would love, and I know he's
Speaker 1: not going to be a first round pick, but a
Speaker 1: guy that I would love to see them draft in
Speaker 1: the interest of protecting themselves. If Michael Gallup leaves. What
Speaker 1: do y'all think about Tyland Wallace? Yeah? Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: if you told me I could get that guy with
Speaker 1: a third round pick, I would be ecstatic. H I
Speaker 1: think he is an excellent jump ball guy. That's what
Speaker 1: Gallup is good at. Like he's gonna go up and
Speaker 1: get those fifty fifty balls. He plays bigger than his
Speaker 1: size in my opinion, he's awesome after the catch, like
Speaker 1: he breaks tackles all the time. Oklahoma State, of course,
Speaker 1: they're you know, big twelve offense. They love to run
Speaker 1: those bubble screens to their receivers. I would. And he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to do anything as a rookie. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you get something from him, great, But he can
Speaker 1: just be on the team and develop, and you know,
Speaker 1: you plug him right in as a starter next year
Speaker 1: and let Gallup go for a cop pick. That's that's
Speaker 1: good team building right there. That that's something that would
Speaker 1: excite the hell out of me. Doesn't bother you, doesn't
Speaker 1: bother you really quickly. Here with Wallace, the fact that
Speaker 1: he is a receiver that relies on the contact, that
Speaker 1: relies on pinpointing of football. But he's also under six
Speaker 1: foot Dave. That's I mean, that's why I said he
Speaker 1: played is bigger than his size, Like, yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: not this big bodied dude. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, he did so in the Big twelve, though
Speaker 1: not in Yeah, I mean, go Gallup is kind of similar.
Speaker 1: Like I don't I think Gallop is bigger than Wallace,
Speaker 1: but Gallup isn't this big, boxy wide receiver. So a
Speaker 1: lot of that, a lot of that's about mindset, in
Speaker 1: my opinion. So yeah, I mean, you know, I guess
Speaker 1: I wish he was bigger, but it doesn't concern me.
Speaker 1: I think when you're digging his background, the fact that
Speaker 1: he was a state champion or a state runner up
Speaker 1: in the triple jump, Yeah, almost a fifty foot jump.
Speaker 1: He can go take those things. So that speaks to
Speaker 1: his explosiveness and some of that other stuff. And so
Speaker 1: when guys are sub six foot, you try and look
Speaker 1: and see what other things that have that that enlabels
Speaker 1: him to play above the rim. He could play bigger
Speaker 1: than his eyes. I think he's a good player, and
Speaker 1: I think coming off of the Aco, I think two
Speaker 1: years ago, next year, his rookie season, he will return
Speaker 1: to the forum that really made us kind of fall
Speaker 1: in love with his talent when he was at Oklahoma State. Kyle,
Speaker 1: if I could get a real quick guy album, I
Speaker 1: think I pronounced this Alum McNeil from North Carolina State.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that plays a true
Speaker 1: nose position. He's literally breathing the same air as the center.
Speaker 1: He's that close to this guy's face, and so I
Speaker 1: think he looks bigger than three hundred and eighteen pounds
Speaker 1: when I've got listed at the first step quickness, the
Speaker 1: I mean he's nifty for his size. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: let the grass die under his feet. He's always playing
Speaker 1: on the move. He's good with his hands. He's a
Speaker 1: powerful guy. He could push, he could rush. His sack
Speaker 1: numbers are not going to be huge, but man, I
Speaker 1: mean you talk about the push, not let you run
Speaker 1: the ball on him. Get to the outside, make those
Speaker 1: edge plays, take up blocks, help your linebacker. Alan McNeil
Speaker 1: from North Carolina State. Where's number twenty nine. It's so
Speaker 1: funny to see a guy that big wearing that number.
Speaker 1: But he's a really good football player. My pet cat
Speaker 1: all the all the single digits were out. That's why
Speaker 1: he can get it. Like a big guy like that,
Speaker 1: he needs like a number eight, need to make stretch it,
Speaker 1: stretch it all the way out so you can see
Speaker 1: it right. He's the only or him and Marvin Wilson
Speaker 1: are the only two players in the entire interior defensive
Speaker 1: line class that were a number in the twenties. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting. But I love McNeil as well,
Speaker 1: and I just imagine him playing alongside Nevill Gallimore and
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill as the three techniques and having him as
Speaker 1: like a true nose tackle one technique. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I would love that. And I think that's that would
Speaker 1: even have a chance to solve your run defense if
Speaker 1: you're the Cowboys, Now, where are you gonna get him?
Speaker 1: Forty four might be a little too high. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it may be a little too low. It just kind
Speaker 1: of depends on it overall. But I like him. He's
Speaker 1: my number two defensive tackle behind Barmore. That was gonna
Speaker 1: be That was gonna be my question, Brian. You know
Speaker 1: I love to ask you where can I get him?
Speaker 1: And I have a hard time believe in the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are gonna draft a nose tackle in the top fifty,
Speaker 1: maybe in the third round though, if you tell me
Speaker 1: third round, oh no, I think I think. I think
Speaker 1: things have switched over there a new chime. I do
Speaker 1: believe this is where coaches are going to be really
Speaker 1: aft because we saw, we saw what happened with Rod
Speaker 1: Mirnola in that crew. It'll be interesting what happens. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying McNeil day three or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I think he's a Day two guy clearly. But what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen is what kind of influence the coaches have
Speaker 1: in rounds three, four, and five. That's where that's where
Speaker 1: coaches get brought in. Hopefully the new regime has a
Speaker 1: better understanding of what they want in a player at
Speaker 1: that time. I think the scouts are gonna say, give
Speaker 1: us names, give us guys, give us who you like,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have those discussions. I think the regime
Speaker 1: in the past would prohibit them from getting really good
Speaker 1: players because they just didn't see him as scheme fits.
Speaker 1: I think this group is totally different in that way.
Speaker 1: Which position would you rather have that is that would
Speaker 1: be out of the ordinary for a top fifty pick
Speaker 1: at forty four? Would you rather have an interior defense
Speaker 1: Lindman or a safety? I mean out of this class?
Speaker 1: I will, you know, like we play Brian freaking out
Speaker 1: about lamb On at the top of the show every week,
Speaker 1: if Richie grants the pick at forty four, I will
Speaker 1: do that. I will freak the hell out. Oh they
Speaker 1: took So that's my that's my answer. I've been waiting
Speaker 1: for this team to invest in a safety since I
Speaker 1: started working here. Yeah, I don't. I don't really understand
Speaker 1: the lack of love for safeties. I think it is
Speaker 1: one of the more important positions on defense. I don't
Speaker 1: stand why it's not prioritized. Going all the way back
Speaker 1: Brown Brothers, you guys put this stuff in our head
Speaker 1: that you can't take a safety high and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff. Oh Man, I'll tell you what that was Wolf.
Speaker 1: That wasn't me Man hey Man nineteen ninety two, I said,
Speaker 1: Timpy Arizona, Dared Woodson. He was a linebacker running like
Speaker 1: four two something on that grass, beautiful grass by the way,
Speaker 1: at that stadium in Arizona. You can get those guys
Speaker 1: flying on that stuff. But yeah, safety is important, Bucky,
Speaker 1: you're blaming me for something that Ron Wolf did not love,
Speaker 1: throwing shots at Ron Wolf to conclude, love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what wouldn't wouldn't want in any other way here on
Speaker 1: the Draft show, especially thanks to everybody who tuned in.
Speaker 1: We will be back, of course with this group next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: ten am Central Time. And uh, by the way, guys,
Speaker 1: next Tuesday's March ninth. That sounds like a pretty fun day.
Speaker 1: Oh a lot of people. So that's right, we'll be
Speaker 1: on welpay tag deadline and so we can talk about
Speaker 1: it some more. And annoyed David Helman a little bit
Speaker 1: more but for Dave, for Bucky Brooks, for Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: for Chris being back in the studio. I'm Kyle Yomen
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