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Speaker 1: Welcome to This League Uncut in the world of twenty

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Speaker 1: four hour NBA news. Is you lo.

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Speaker 2: Chris Hans.

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Speaker 3: It's so time, Port Stein, It's so time.

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Speaker 2: This League Uncut is underway and on fire. It should

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Speaker 2: be a good one.

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Speaker 4: Everyone welcome, Thanks so much for joining us. This is

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Speaker 4: a historic moment for this show. We're almost six months old,

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Speaker 4: This League Uncut, the This League Uncut podcast. I'm Mark Stein.

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Speaker 4: To my far right is my trusty podcast partner Chris Haynes,

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Speaker 4: who everyone knows from Turner Sports and Bleach your report.

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Speaker 4: And we are truly honored, not just to be at

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Speaker 4: the iconic Caesars Palace here at Summer League in Vegas,

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Speaker 4: but to have a truly special guest with us.

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Speaker 2: You guys know him.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't need an introduction. Lakers coach Darvin Ham. Everyone with

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Speaker 4: us here on this League Uncut Coach.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man, thanks for having me, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us.

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Speaker 3: Even for the brothers.

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Speaker 1: I wish I want to take the headphones off and

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Speaker 1: see what Pat Bell was talking about.

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Speaker 2: That's what God.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he'll TV right.

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Speaker 4: Now and that will not be his last interview, so

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Speaker 4: don't worry.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll be I'm sure he'll be getting getting

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Speaker 4: info from him soon. When you're at Summer League, what

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Speaker 4: what is I mean, you're an observer, You're not on

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Speaker 4: the floor. What are you looking for when you're when

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Speaker 4: you're watching the Lakers player, when you're in the gym

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Speaker 4: for other games? What are you on the lookout for?

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to survey the level of competitiveness individual individual,

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Speaker 1: group by group again, the level of competitiveness and the

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Speaker 1: i Q, you know, in terms of guys that play

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Speaker 1: the right way, you know, not necessarily trying to make

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Speaker 1: every play for themselves, but trying to put their their

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Speaker 1: team in a position to be successful possession by possession.

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Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing. And how guys are bought in.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it's obviously as Summer League, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a short term situation for some guys. But in that

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Speaker 1: short term, how quickly can they come together and try

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Speaker 1: to do something special and you know, win a summ

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Speaker 4: But how much different does the game look from a

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Speaker 4: fan sea Because I'm guessing.

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Speaker 1: And I haven't been a fan of so long. It's like,

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Speaker 1: it's hard, it's hard, it's it's actually more difficult to

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Speaker 1: watch as a coach because you're you have that every

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Speaker 1: like critiquing different things as you're watching real live action.

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Speaker 1: It's tough. Like it's it's hard for me to sit

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Speaker 1: at home and watch basketball. I love watching it, but

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm so happy we have what you call it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you can pauls and winding yea, I always say TVO,

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Speaker 1: but you can pause and rewind it. And I'm like

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Speaker 1: breaking the game down like I'm breaking down one of

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Speaker 1: my films. So it's it's it's tough, but you know,

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Speaker 1: being around the game, I'm you know, I'm from Michigan

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Speaker 5: You've assigned coach JD to see the head coach of

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Speaker 5: Summer League to talk about opportunities that presents when a

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Speaker 3: What are you looking for as well?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking for the leadership capabilities, how how

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Speaker 1: well they're keeping everything organized. I try to stay out

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Speaker 1: And I think JD has done a tremendous job him

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Speaker 1: Nick Mosella, who really were quarterback putting our sumer League

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Speaker 1: roster together. It's it's been beautiful to watch. And you know,

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Speaker 1: one of our young kids, we're really really excited about

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Speaker 4: So you guys, your first season, it started off so rough,

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Speaker 4: the playoffs. You won your first two playoff series as

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Speaker 4: gut reaction to year one on the sidelines for Darvinham.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, man, it's not stressful. What

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Speaker 1: knew it'd be. You know, I call it the excavation period,

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Speaker 4: I remember being there early in the season, during the

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Speaker 2: At that this point.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you guys were in a serious hole. How

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just think you show up to

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Speaker 1: want people to know if they engage with Darviingham, they know, Darvingham,

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Speaker 1: Being around some of the great coaches I've been around,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly what happened. If you go

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Speaker 4: You've got to taste that. As a player, how often

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Speaker 1: coach in Milwaukee what they had gone on a fifty

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Speaker 1: year drought and we were able to do that in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one to go get number eighteen in the

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Speaker 1: Purple and gold. Like I'm working my ass off, I'm

441
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Speaker 1: trying to give us each and every opportunity to be

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Speaker 1: able to put that.

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Speaker 2: It's nothing more than I would want is.

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Speaker 1: To win a championship trophy with gd Bus and Rob

445
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Speaker 1: Blinka have been nothing short of amazing to me. They've

446
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Speaker 1: given me this platform, they've supported me stay solid through

447
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Speaker 1: the hard times early on, and then just some of

448
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: the text messages, some of the conversations, some of the

449
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Speaker 1: phone calls when the three of us get into the

450
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Speaker 1: room and the support they've given me, man, it just

451
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: empowers me. And so it's nothing more that I will

452
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Speaker 1: want than being able to hoist that trophy up. And

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Speaker 1: with those two individuals and our team and an organization

454
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Speaker 1: as a whole, everyone has treated me with nothing but

455
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Speaker 1: open arms.

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Speaker 4: So since you bring that up, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: my count is exactly right, but I mean, you proved

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Speaker 4: last year you should have gotten a head coaching job

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Speaker 4: a long time ago. But I mean I counted it

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Speaker 4: up once and if my count is right, Celtics, Hornets, Bulls, Pacers, Wolves, Magic, Kings,

461
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Speaker 4: Wizards and Clippers and Hawks and Hawks too. So ten

462
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Speaker 4: teams interviewed you, yep, and did not hire you as

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Speaker 4: their head coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they fucked up rawly. Then you go back and

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Speaker 1: look at those teams, I mean, coaches changed as we've

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Speaker 1: had amongst those.

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Speaker 4: How did you not let that embitter you?

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Speaker 2: How did you?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure that was not fun to go

470
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Speaker 4: through that ten times.

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Speaker 2: Nah.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just one of those things. And Lakers

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Speaker 1: were a tenth. I mean, just it's not getting a job.

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Speaker 1: It's the right job with the right fit, with the

475
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Speaker 1: right individuals. You could think you're ready for something, but

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Speaker 1: only God knows is like to put you in the

477
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Speaker 1: right place where you need to be.

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Speaker 2: And that was what happened with the Lakers, and.

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Speaker 1: God blessed those other franchises. But I just know, yes,

480
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: you never want to get down because you those things

481
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Speaker 1: take They take time.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, the process goes a team of call

484
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Speaker 1: and national permission to interview, right, your interview might not

485
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: be for another two to three weeks and so oh

486
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: and a bunch of those situations. I'm in a situation

487
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Speaker 1: that Milwaukee we're fighting for a championship and I'm the

488
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Speaker 1: lead assist, so my mind I have to be locked

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Speaker 1: in on what we're doing to support but but also

490
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: trying to prep for this new situation to get familiar

491
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Speaker 1: with what their their circumstances are, and so it was

492
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: tough not you know a few of those situations not

493
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: being able to land them. But I'm okay, I'm I

494
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: don't get the job, but I'm going back to a

495
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: championship franchise. So my my landing, my landing were all.

496
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: I had a big ass parachute, so people talk about

497
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: having a golden parachute. That was my situation in Milwaukee

498
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: and sou But again, it's not about getting a job

499
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: but the right job. And I felt like we fell

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Speaker 1: into the right situation with the Los Angeles Lakers, and

501
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Speaker 1: then it was like a homecoming for me.

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Speaker 2: You know, they gave me my start as a coach.

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Speaker 4: I've seen you now like three times here and you've

504
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 4: had a different Dodger hat on every time.

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Speaker 2: If you were so.

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Speaker 4: But if if you go home, I mean, they're gonna

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Speaker 4: be cool with a Dodger hat if you's.

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Speaker 1: Daring him, So they're gonna be They don't be satisfied.

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00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: They ain't gonna say about nothing I'm doing. You've been

510
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: around me before. We moved through a rood, no problem.

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Speaker 1: I promise The security is there to save the people that's.

512
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Speaker 2: Just how it is. Talk that the power of God

513
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Speaker 2: with you. Man. I ain't worried about nothing.

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Speaker 5: Do you have the I've noticed because I've experienced it myself.

515
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 5: You've gotten petty a couple of times this season. So

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00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 5: that's case in point. We were talking about it a

517
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Speaker 5: little bit before. So you're playing the Golden State Warris

518
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Speaker 5: and that that was actually the playoff series that everybody

519
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Speaker 5: wanted to see.

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Speaker 3: That they wanted to see that serious. That series actually

521
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: should have been the Western Conference.

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Speaker 5: Well, and I can't say that because that's respecting the champion,

523
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 5: but that was a serious That was the serious everybody

524
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Speaker 5: wanted to see. So at certain point, Steve Kerr goes

525
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 5: out and accuses your team of continuously flopping, flopping, flopping.

526
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 5: So for you that don't know, you know, when you

527
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 5: see me during the game, I'm I'm talking to the

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Speaker 5: coaches after the first and third quarter.

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Speaker 3: So I got Coach Ham after the first quarter.

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Speaker 5: There was a play that Dennis Schroeder had he really

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Speaker 5: got fouled, like he got fouled, but there was no call.

532
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Speaker 3: Buzzer ends ends the first quarter.

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Speaker 5: I saw Coach Ham's reaction, so I'm like, okay, in

534
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Speaker 5: my head, that's gonna be my first question. I'm not

535
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 5: thinking anything of what you're about to say. I'm just

536
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 5: wanting to get your reaction to that miscall. So I

537
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 5: asked you, hey, coach Ham, I saw your reaction Denis

538
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 5: Schroder not getting a call with what did you think

539
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 5: about that? And I think you completely dismissed that question.

540
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 5: She was like, I don't teach flopping over here. We

541
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Speaker 5: don't flop over here. So if anybody's saying anything like that,

542
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 5: and it just said like immediately, I was like, oh,

543
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Speaker 5: this is gonna be a viral.

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Speaker 2: Woman.

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Speaker 3: You don't get those type of questions, I mean answers.

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00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: It gave an interview right there.

547
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Speaker 5: So you was that something that just triggered you at

548
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 5: the time, Like what triggered you to get that response

549
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 5: at that point?

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Speaker 1: It's just one of those things, man, Like I let

551
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: me start here. Man, I have nothing but the utmost

552
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: respect for Suten State Warriors, Steve Cerr, everybody. But when

553
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: you try to paint a narrative, I think you know,

554
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: it's like playing chess, playing poker, or whatever you want

555
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: to call it. Guys trying to give themselves any and

556
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: every chance and every possible way to come out on

557
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Speaker 1: top of a situation and be victorious. Right me, I

558
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: never blamed officiating. It's even hard. Like we have someone

559
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: to sign to like who watches the game and watch

560
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: we may flag certain clips, and all we want is consistency.

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00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: We don't want, you know, an advantage or the referees

562
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Speaker 1: to work on our behalf. These guys are the holders

563
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: of the game, the integrity of the game at that

564
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: and so we just want to point out different things

565
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: in order to try to force the situation where they're.

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Speaker 2: Just more consistent.

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Speaker 1: And so when you hear certain things, man like I

568
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: don't rob or tell you, my coaches will tell you.

569
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Speaker 1: I struggled to try to be caddy and petty and

570
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: complaining about the officiating and all of this. I mean,

571
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: it's times I just called like it it. We got

572
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: screwed a bunch this year, bro, Like early on we

573
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: needed some it was some big wins that didn't go

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00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: in our favor for just inconsistent officiating. I don't blame

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Speaker 1: that on one individual referee. I'm just saying in that

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Speaker 1: moment in time, it was inconsistent officiating.

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Speaker 2: That's all I'll say. And I'll leave it there.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to use that as a crutch because

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we have also what

580
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: we call in our program, self inflicted wounds when we

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00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: don't take care of the business we're supposed to take

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Speaker 1: care of to put us in a position where we

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Speaker 1: can come out victorious. So we address that. But when

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing different sound bites and I'm seeing the game

585
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: within the game being played in the media and all

586
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: of that, I don't fuck with it. I don't want

587
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. I'm sorry, excuse my language,

588
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: but I'm you know I nothing came easy for me,

589
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of crossing the t's dotting the

590
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: eyes and within my career, whether I was a player,

591
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: coach you just mentioned, I went through ten interviews. Nothing

592
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: has ever come easy for me. And I want it

593
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: that way because now it's like I can't just give

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Speaker 1: you a scripted message.

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Speaker 2: I have a testimony, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: By the grace of God, I'm sitting here in this

597
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: position I'm in, working for the franchise I'm working for,

598
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: and I'll be damned if I let someone try to

599
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: manipulate the way we approach our game, the competitiveness in

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00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: which we come with, like we're trying to you know,

601
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: disguise and try to pull the wall over someone's eyes

602
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: where now were coming out were playing smash mouth basketball.

603
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: That's the way we teach it. That's the way we

604
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: preach it, and that's the way we're gonna execute it

605
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: when the lights come on.

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Speaker 5: So, coach, you don't view that tech as you know

607
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 5: a coach, what's the term lame as hell?

608
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: Starry? What's the term? With coaches? It's like a it's

609
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: a tactic coaching.

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00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 4: Steve Currs of Phil Jackson disciple that that's that was

611
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: a Phil Jackson maneuver.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but a lot a lot of coaches do it

613
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 5: like they plan to see in hopes that the calls

614
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: will go in their favorite next game.

615
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: If they I'm a Larry Brown disciple, you're gonna get

616
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: out of your work what you put into. It's shout

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00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: out to coach Brown. Still talk to him all the time,

618
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: stay on my line. Gave me great words of encouragement

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Speaker 1: throughout this whole process.

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Speaker 4: I can't get over that ten teams talk to you

621
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: before the Lakers. That's a third of the.

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Speaker 1: League, a third of the league. Bro, And I give

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Speaker 1: another shout out Charles Lee. I'm seeing him going through

624
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: some of the similar things right now. And and and

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00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: kudos to him, congratulation to him become and lead assistant

626
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: over with the Boston Celtics, and he's gonna get his time.

627
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: And again, like he and I just talked about this

628
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: two days ago, Like it's not just about getting a job,

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Speaker 1: it's getting the right job, because don't get it messed up.

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00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: Like the same way they're trying to they would try

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Speaker 1: to vet me and see if I'm capable of doing

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00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: the job. You have to vet some of these franchises

633
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: they're leader to a lot of times, their leadership is shaky.

634
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: They don't have the vertical alignment that they should have.

635
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: But everything falls on that position of a coach first

636
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: to get blame lines, to get the credit right. So

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00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: you have to do your own vetting of some of

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00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: these organizations that's being poorly ran, that don't give the support,

639
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: that's not trying to everybody talks just rebuild stuff. I

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00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: just na that's but you have to do your part.

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00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: To any candidate out there that's you know, the next

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00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: potential head coach, make sure you do your homework on

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00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: that franchise you stepping into, to make sure that you

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Speaker 1: know that you even want to be a part of that.

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00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 4: So much goodness, so much candor on so many different

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00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 4: subjects here with Darvin Ham, that we decided, you know what,

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Speaker 4: We've got to split this thing into two parts. So

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Speaker 4: stay tuned for part two because we're going to get

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00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 4: into Darvin's thoughts about Austin Reeves and his new contract,

650
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: what the future looks like for Austin Reeves with the Lakers,

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Speaker 4: and in addition to many other topics, we will get

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Speaker 4: to Darvin Ham's thoughts on the Lakers rivalry with Denver

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Speaker 4: and Nuggets coach Mike Malone.

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Speaker 2: And that'll do it for us. See you next time.

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Speaker 2: This League Uncuttage and iHeartRadio Production

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Speaker 3: Chris Hayne and Mark Stein