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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: What Up?

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Speaker 4: Welcome in. This is of the Herd. Wherever you may

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Speaker 4: be and however you may be, making this part of

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Speaker 4: your day. Thanks so much. I'm jud gottlie in for you, boy,

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Speaker 4: Colin Cowherd, and for the next couple of hours, I

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Speaker 4: want to talk sports with you. This is weird, right,

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Speaker 4: So Colin moved to the Midwest following me. Right, let's

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Speaker 4: just be honest. I followed him to Fox to where

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Speaker 4: I grew up in southern California. Then he follows me

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Speaker 4: to the Midwest. But now I'm in California and I

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Speaker 4: ease in parts unknown.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: Hey, this is just the thing. I have to state

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Speaker 4: this because it's true. Obviously, Colin I for years have

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Speaker 4: gone back and forth about the hat backwards thing that

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Speaker 4: he has right. But here's my thing. I'm I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: state this because I know it to be true. A

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Speaker 4: lot of you saw our Boycoin Cowherd at Live Golf

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Speaker 4: last weekend. Right, Okay, can we get together and form

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Speaker 4: some sort of petition or have some sort of on

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Speaker 4: air teaching Colin how to wear a hat, Because if

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Speaker 4: you're going to criticize others for wearing their hat backwards

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Speaker 4: and how it looks, that's fine, then I'm going to

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Speaker 4: criticize you for not understanding the basics of how to

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Speaker 4: wear a ball cap, which is you don't put it

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Speaker 4: on top of your hair so that your hair is

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Speaker 4: still showing. That's not ball cap wearing one on one.

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Speaker 4: Everybody knows it. And when you wear it that way,

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Speaker 4: much like he believes you have your hat backwards, you

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Speaker 4: wear it that way, it gives off the perception of

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Speaker 4: you're trying to be a younger bro. It's not actually try.

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Speaker 4: I disagree, but again he's talking about perception. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 4: the perception is that guy's never played a sport in

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Speaker 4: his life, definitely never played baseball. If he doesn't know

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Speaker 4: how to wear a ball cap, is that fair? Okay?

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Speaker 4: So I just I wanted. I was waiting for this day,

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Speaker 4: maybe the last day I fill in for Colin. Very possible. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I love my boy, but I saw him last week

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Speaker 4: and I was like, can middlekough middle cooff doesn't have

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Speaker 4: this because he has no hair?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: He fired it before quit on him. I got it.

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Speaker 4: Colin has great hair. That's real hair. He's got there.

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Speaker 4: There's no implans, no nothing. That's a real, real mop

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Speaker 4: And he's been living on this hat backwards thing. He

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Speaker 4: got the Cowboys coach turning his hat around. That really

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Speaker 4: happened this year. Great mission accomplished, Colin Cowhert. But dude,

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Speaker 4: what are you doing? All right, let's get to the

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Speaker 4: story of the day Michigan was levied fines and suspensions.

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Speaker 4: And look, I don't know if this comes to be.

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Speaker 4: And the reason I say that is I'm actually a

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Speaker 4: coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which Division one program. We

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Speaker 4: are under you know, NCAA rules and regulations, just like

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Speaker 4: anybody else. And what I have come to learn first

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Speaker 4: general thought in college athletics of the NCAA and the

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Speaker 4: NCAA is not some d'arconian organization made it out to be.

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Speaker 4: It's just the conglomerate of schools. And you know, it's

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Speaker 4: like being mad at Congress when there's actually every state

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Speaker 4: like Congress. Well yeah, well there's fifty states, so you

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Speaker 4: don't like the individual representatives. These are the individual schools.

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Speaker 4: The Board of Infractions.

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Speaker 4: The general thought for most people is, no matter what

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Speaker 4: Now here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the

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Speaker 4: these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof, right, there's a reason

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Speaker 4: that they're put in place. They feel like their lawsuit

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Speaker 4: to you what Michigan's been punished, just understand that very

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Speaker 4: how much Jim harbaughd knew. It's one of those Hey,

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Speaker 4: I don't care you're doing advanced scouting, Give me the calls,

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Speaker 4: get them for me. Give me the calls. And when

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Speaker 4: you're running a program as big as Michigan, in my program,

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Speaker 4: you know my email right now, I have to It's

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Speaker 4: I have to do every I'm a CEO. I have

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Speaker 4: to worry about every little different department and oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: by the way, much like Doge, what can we cut,

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Speaker 4: what can we keep? How little can we spend to

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Speaker 4: get the most out of it because we have to

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Speaker 4: compensate the student athlete. Now, but I'm gonna commend the NCAA. Look,

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Speaker 4: do I think this was a dog and pony show?

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Speaker 4: I think there's another Connor Stallions out there? I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: basketball or football, tries to figure out what the signs

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Speaker 4: You're not allowed unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball,

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Speaker 4: if they pull on their ear, if they tug on

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Speaker 4: figure out what exactly the set is, what exactly they're doing,

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Speaker 4: so you know what's coming. And if you can't pick

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Speaker 4: call somebody who's played them, because every coach has an

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Speaker 4: when you say that's it's earpool, write that down, earpool,

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Speaker 4: what is it? Hey? Then you go in at halftime

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Speaker 4: this is what they're doing. And usually you know beforehand

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Speaker 4: Makes sense. Okay, So my point is I'm not excusing

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Speaker 4: And oh yeah, by the way, if you didn't know

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Speaker 4: we film the game. They're running in signs at the game.

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Speaker 4: Why can't we just film the sideline and then what

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Speaker 4: a no no. And most coaches are incredibly paranoid. If

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Speaker 4: at a higher level and then ultimately succeeding while doing it.

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Speaker 4: Here's the punishment. Four years of probation, financial penalties, A

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Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars fine plus ten percent of the budget

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Speaker 4: of all postseason competition revenue sharing associated with the twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five twenty twenty six football seasons. A fine equivalent

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Speaker 4: to the cost of ten percent of scholarships awarded to

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Speaker 4: Michigan's football programs in the twenty five to twenty six

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Speaker 4: recruiting communications in the football program during the probation period.

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Speaker 4: And then Connor Stallion's eight year show cause. Harbaugh, you

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Speaker 4: knew he had a ten year show cause. Denard Robinson

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Speaker 4: show cause, restricted from all athletically really activities. That's actually

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Speaker 4: You can't get the job. You have to just go

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Speaker 4: when you're trying to remember the start of Shawshank redemption,

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Speaker 4: show cause, but he's still the head coach, so that

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Speaker 4: Michigan imposed a two game suspension for this year. The

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Speaker 4: Do you want to know why? It's an awesome punishment

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Speaker 4: because it hits them in the wallet. They're not taking

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Speaker 4: You guys, remember Men in Black? Right, Remember the little

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Speaker 4: a race. Your short term memories is zapped. Don't you

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Speaker 4: wish that occurred in life? Wouldn'd be so cool? You're

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Speaker 4: like in an argument with your girlfriend and your wife

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Speaker 4: and you're just like two, Like what we're even arguing about?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Mabe, how you doing right? Reset? Well,

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Speaker 4: the that's called a neuralizer. Don't ask me how I know,

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Speaker 4: O gay Men in Black called it a neuralizer. There

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Speaker 4: is no neuralizer where we can hit the button. And

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Speaker 4: Louisville's twenty thirteen NCAA Championship is a race for our

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: We all saw it. We saw Trey Burke cleanly block

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Speaker 4: It changed the momentum of that game, and Rick Patino's

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Speaker 4: winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner, No banner.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's giving back their rings, nobody's saying I'm not an

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Speaker 4: We'll share with you later on the show. They won

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Speaker 4: twelve in a row. But the Brewers were good last year.

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Speaker 4: Remember this a Brewers team that lost their manager to

433
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Speaker 4: their rival the Cubs. Why because Craig Council was like

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Speaker 4: Brewers are awesome, but the like colihood of winning is

435
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Speaker 4: increased when you go to the Cubs because they have

436
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Speaker 4: more money. Right the Brewers are built. I've talked to

437
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Speaker 4: their general manager. I've talked to their manager, and they

438
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Speaker 4: told me that every position player they draft was a

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Speaker 4: shortstop at some point in their lives. Baseball has changed

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Speaker 4: with the pitchclock, but more than anything with the bases,

441
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Speaker 4: with the lack of ships, athleticism is a much bigger

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Speaker 4: part of the game. So they're not just the best

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Speaker 4: team in baseball. They tried to build the best most

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Speaker 4: athletic team in baseball. It's one of the things that's

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Speaker 4: happened to the Yankees going back to that past couple

446
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Speaker 4: of years is they were built for a four gone

447
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Speaker 4: era of just hit home runs or walk or strikeout,

448
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Speaker 4: and now you can manufacture runs. So sports changes in

449
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Speaker 4: a myriad of ways, and in college sports it's changed

450
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Speaker 4: because we're now we're paying the players. Right now, we're

451
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Speaker 4: paying the players. And what you find is, look, I

452
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Speaker 4: have one full year now in the bank. I got

453
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Speaker 4: the job at the middle of the end of May

454
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Speaker 4: last year. Hey, as you know, the portal opens in March,

455
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Speaker 4: so I didn't have a full season that way, and

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Speaker 4: not everything that I believe or maybe even I know

457
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Speaker 4: is accurate at the highest level because we are not

458
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Speaker 4: at the highest level, but I do know in many

459
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Speaker 4: ways how it operates. So Thomas Hammock is the head

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Speaker 4: coach of Northern Illinois. Okay, what do you remember about

461
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Speaker 4: Northern Illinois last season? They beat Notre Dame. Right, Notre

462
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Speaker 4: Dame beat text A and M on the road, and

463
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Speaker 4: they come back home, they get beat by by by

464
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Speaker 4: Northern Illinois and then Northern Illinois has average season after that.

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Speaker 4: So Northern Illinois, I'm sure, I'm might be sure. I'm

466
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Speaker 4: guessing it's a tough putt financially for them. Now they're

467
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Speaker 4: going to join our league in basketball only basketball and

468
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Speaker 4: I think Olympic Sports starting next year. And the Illinois schools,

469
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Speaker 4: the non Champagne Urbana, Right, that's the main universe. When

470
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: you say Illinois, that's the main campus. But they have

471
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Speaker 4: Eastern Illinois, they have Western Illinois, they have Southern Illinois,

472
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Speaker 4: the Sulukis, they have Northern Illinois, the Huskies. They got

473
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Speaker 4: different schools, have different financial issues. Western Illinois a ton

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Speaker 4: of financial issues, like school could close down financial issues

475
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Speaker 4: in the Wisconsin system. Our school and Madison University Wisconsin

476
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Speaker 4: are the only two that are growing. We've gone from

477
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Speaker 4: like seven eight, nine thousand. We're twelve thousand students this

478
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Speaker 4: year and we're expanding. But all the other university Wisconsin's stout,

479
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Speaker 4: Steven's Point, River Falls, even Milwaukee, they're shrinking. So there's

480
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Speaker 4: a fight over budget. But the bigger thing is, Okay,

481
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Speaker 4: how how do you build a college football college basketball

482
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Speaker 4: program when you're trying to have a high retention rate?

483
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Speaker 4: Bring kids back, right, bring kids back every year. Because

484
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Speaker 4: we all know, like that's what Purdue has done. That's

485
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Speaker 4: one of the reasons that they win. Purdue is like

486
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Speaker 4: the model for college basketball. Yes, they sprinkle in a

487
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Speaker 4: transfer here at transfer there. This year they take in

488
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 4: an Israeli point guard to go with maybe the best

489
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 4: point guard in the country. They should be really, really good.

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Speaker 4: But the big thing for Purdue is like they want

491
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Speaker 4: their guys to stay. So I want you to listen

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Speaker 4: to something that Thomas Hammick said at a press conference

493
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Speaker 4: earlier this week. I posted it. It's got over a

494
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Speaker 4: million views just on my feet alone. Guessing this thing's

495
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: called viral you're talking five to ten million views or

496
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Speaker 4: something overall. This is the head coach of North Illinois.

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Speaker 5: I enjoyed my college experience. I didn't get one dime,

498
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Speaker 5: but the lessons I learned was more valuable than any

499
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Speaker 5: money you can ever pay me. And I appreciate that

500
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Speaker 5: because that is long term. People are losing the fact

501
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Speaker 5: that this is short term. I coached in the National

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Speaker 5: Football League for five years.

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Speaker 2: Five years.

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Speaker 5: Don't lose focus or work the long term. Get your degree,

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Speaker 5: learn valuable lesson that's going to help you in the

506
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Speaker 5: long term of your life. That's the whole purpose. This

507
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Speaker 5: is a transition from being a kid to a grown up,

508
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Speaker 5: and I hope people don't lose focus of that.

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Speaker 4: So keep in mind. This is Thomas Hammock, who is

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Speaker 4: an alum of Northern Illinois. Right he played football there

511
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Speaker 4: back in the heyday in NA nine to two thousand

512
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Speaker 4: and two thousand and two. Right then he went to

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Speaker 4: Madison and he got his master's and he started coaching football.

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Speaker 4: And I understand that what happens is the human brain

515
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Speaker 4: works this way.

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Speaker 3: I here.

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Speaker 4: Pick the college coach. You know, when Nick Stables coach,

518
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Speaker 4: he's making ten million dollars. Right, so he makes ten million,

519
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: the players make nothing. There's there's two parts to it.

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Speaker 4: First part is do I think that at the very

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Speaker 4: very top of the salary pool, college coaches are overpaid?

522
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

523
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Speaker 4: Yeah, probably, But I also think they're CEOs of companies.

524
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Speaker 4: I'm a CEO of a company. The buck stops here.

525
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Speaker 4: I have to manage my recruiting budget, like we we had.

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Speaker 4: We had to change our black uniforms, okay, but to

527
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Speaker 4: put in a full set of Adidas uniforms, it's like

528
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Speaker 4: twenty nine hundred bucks. We had to change uniforms because

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Speaker 4: they're not NCAA compliant. In the in the chance that

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Speaker 4: we make the NCAA tournament this year, we could only

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Speaker 4: wear the gray uniforms. It's the only ones that were

532
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Speaker 4: NCAA compliant. So we redid the white ones. But they're like, yeah,

533
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Speaker 4: we're not going to wear white in the na tournament anyway, right,

534
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: Like we're not going to be a lower seed than anybody.

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Speaker 4: So in an effort to save money, it's a real thing,

536
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Speaker 4: we just redid the tops. That's it. So it's seventeen

537
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 4: hundred bucks instead of twenty nine hundred bucks. Right, And

538
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: you're like, well, what is that that affords me a

539
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Speaker 4: little bit more money? You know, we call back every

540
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Speaker 4: vendor that we use. We have an analytics company that

541
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Speaker 4: I think is outstanding I would love to have, and

542
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: we got like the Cadillac setup. I had to have

543
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Speaker 4: an uncomfortable conversation like, hey, we either need to cut

544
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Speaker 4: this contract or trim it down or figure it out.

545
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Speaker 4: Why Because I need that money, because I got to

546
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Speaker 4: compensate players. I got to compensate my coaching staff. Remember

547
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Speaker 4: Thomas Hammock. You may sit there think you know whatever

548
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: he makes at Northern Illinois has head coach. He started

549
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Speaker 4: as a GA at Wisconsin, a GA, you're not getting

550
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 4: any money, You're simply getting your school paid for. Then

551
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 4: he was a running back coach at his alma mater

552
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Speaker 4: for a year. Then he was with the Minnesota Vikings

553
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Speaker 4: in the NFL for three years right starting as the

554
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Speaker 4: running backs coach and then working at co offensive coordinator

555
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: and running backs coach. So now he started creeping into

556
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: the six figures area. Then he coached back at Wisconsin.

557
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: Then he was with the Ravens again as the running

558
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Speaker 4: back coach for four years. So he has worked since

559
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Speaker 4: he graduated college in two thousand and two till now, hey,

560
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: this is when he got this head coaching. First head

561
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: coaching break was seventeen years later. She's like, oh my gosh,

562
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Speaker 4: look at how much money Thomas Hammock makes. Dude, he

563
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Speaker 4: worked seventeen years to get to that spot. But here's

564
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Speaker 4: the honest question, and look, this is is it some

565
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Speaker 4: of it recruiting, Yeah, but a lot of it is true.

566
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Speaker 4: How are we going to have alumni games in college sports? Alumniac?

567
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Speaker 4: What's what's your alma mater? There's one other thing he

568
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Speaker 4: didn't calculate in there he didn't talk about. And you

569
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Speaker 4: can follow me on Twitter at Gottlieb Show. You can

570
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Speaker 4: see this the fold context of the rant. If you

571
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Speaker 4: haven't heard already, we have no value as a society

572
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 4: now for getting into college getting into college. If you

573
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 4: don't know how hard it is to get into college,

574
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Speaker 4: you haven't had a kid apply for college recently. When

575
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Speaker 4: I was coming out of high school at Tustin High

576
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Speaker 4: School in Orange County, California in nineteen ninety five, the

577
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Speaker 4: safety to all safety schools the easiest school to get

578
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Speaker 4: into in the cal state system, cause you have like

579
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 4: in order you had UC system that's U see Centa, Barber, UCLA, Berkeley,

580
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, then you have

581
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Speaker 4: the cow Poly system a little bit less. It's difficult still, Okay,

582
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Speaker 4: that's cal Poly that's in Pomona, and cal Poly San

583
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 4: Luis Obispo that's in uh sant l'sabispol Central Coast. Then

584
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 4: you have the cal states, which were easier and you

585
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: basically had to graduate like a two five. If you

586
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: had a pulse, you were getting in Santeo State. And

587
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: then if you want to party, went to Santage State.

588
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 4: If you want to smoke weed, you went to Humboldt

589
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Speaker 4: uh or to what's the other one that's up there?

590
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Speaker 4: Oh man, I can't remember. There's there's two that are

591
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: way up north right and everybody and you'd say, well,

592
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 4: I'm gonna major horticulture, Like, yeah, we know what you're doing.

593
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: Right.

594
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 4: San Diego State now is unbelievably hard to get into

595
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 4: one of the most difficult schools in the country to

596
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Speaker 4: get into. Why there's sports called their basketball team was awesome,

597
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: and then people are like, I could go to school

598
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Speaker 4: in San Diego, where do I sign up? Well, it's

599
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: become like you get a four point zero and not

600
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Speaker 4: get into Santue State and being in state, and of

601
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 4: course all the kids out of state want to come in.

602
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Speaker 4: Why do you want to have more out of state

603
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: kids come in if you're standing a state, because you

604
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: make more money international, you can charge whatever you want,

605
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 4: So there's no calculation or valuation from parents, agents, or

606
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 4: people on social media of getting into school and then

607
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 4: the college experience growing becoming the dude he talks about

608
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: playing time. Like a lot of these kids, they hey,

609
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Speaker 4: if you're gonna give me, you know what I make

610
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 4: one point five x of what I make, they'll go

611
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: and just chase the dollar. And then they realize that's

612
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 4: it's the Peter principle. Do you guys know the Peter principles.

613
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: It's when you're promoted above the level of your competency.

614
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: Right if last year you were in the MAC and

615
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 4: you were a starter, and you transferred to the Big

616
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Speaker 4: ten and now you're not a star, You're like, man,

617
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: I was killing at the MAC. They promised me a chance,

618
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Speaker 4: they give me more money, Like, dude, that's not how

619
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Speaker 4: it works. You were in the MAC for a reason.

620
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Speaker 4: And again I know JJ Watt came from the Mac

621
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Speaker 4: and is a Hall of Famer when he transferred and

622
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: transition to a different position and played at Wisconsin. But

623
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Speaker 4: those stories are outliers. The reality is most guys who

624
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: leave and most teams leave that you lose your whole team,

625
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Speaker 4: whole team. And I just think it's very easy to say, well,

626
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 4: these kids deserve it, okay, but what but what do

627
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 4: you lose when you leave? What do you lose? You're

628
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 4: never going to have your jersey on a wall if

629
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Speaker 4: you leave, You're not. No one's going to retire outside

630
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: of Shador Sanders, but it's two years of Colorado. No

631
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Speaker 4: one's going to retire a number of a guy who

632
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 4: played there for a year or yeah, you know, as

633
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: a transfer, that just doesn't happen. That just doesn't happen.

634
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Speaker 4: And you have to understand where you fit in the

635
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 4: salary pool. You know, low level six figures on a

636
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 4: high major club in college basketball means you're not going

637
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 4: to play. I hope you like, So we tell both

638
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 4: time like, you can go take that. That's great. If

639
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 4: it's your senior year and somebody offers you one hundred

640
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 4: and twenty five thousand dollars to play at name your

641
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 4: Power for School or the Big East. Do you know

642
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 4: that money means you're not going to play? And that's

643
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Speaker 4: great if that's what you want. Hey, I want some

644
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: money to start me on my professional life. Great. If

645
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 4: you want to play basketball, you need to have basketball

646
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 4: film to then go play. And then the other thing

647
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: we're doing, and this is more basketball pacific, but it's

648
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: also football specific. We're screwing up the minds of what

649
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: the market looks like. Let me give you an example. Okay, again,

650
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: in college basketball. And I know this because this is

651
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Speaker 4: the world in which I operated in when I'm not

652
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: hosting the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. There

653
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: are lots of players playing college basketball making two hundred

654
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, And again, as I said,

655
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: two hundred fifty thousand dollars. Maybe you play, Maybe you don't,

656
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: Probably you play. Probably you're a starter now at a

657
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: Power for school at two hundred and fifty grand. You're

658
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: not the guy, but you're one of the guys. You

659
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: get done playing, Hey, remember the G League doesn't play

660
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 4: that you're not good enough to make the NBA. You

661
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: go overseas. Hey, I'm gonna go overseas. Do you want

662
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: to know what you make? Usually when you're playing overseas

663
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: your first year maybe six figures maybe, So what happens

664
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Speaker 4: you get done playing in your agent's like I got

665
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 4: a deal for you. Okay, it's second division. They hear

666
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 4: second division. They're like, no, no, no, no, this that works.

667
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 4: Second division Italy take care of everything. Live on the water.

668
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 4: It's great. All bill's taken care of seventy five thousand dollars.

669
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Speaker 4: Like I just made two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

670
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: playing at whatever state university in right, We've completely screwed

671
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: that up. Where seventy five thousand dollars for a rookie

672
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: in a to in Italy is a lot of money.

673
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: It's a great opportunity. And then the idea is every

674
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: year you stack you make more, more and more and

675
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: more and more and more and more, and eventually you

676
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 4: hopefully play in your league team and you make seven

677
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 4: figures and you send that money home. So the point

678
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 4: is that in everyone's effort to make sure college athletes

679
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 4: are compensated, we are screwing up all these different pieces

680
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 4: valuing getting into school valuing the actual college experience, valuing

681
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: in being a dude and having an alma mater, a

682
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 4: place to call home, and the market for when they

683
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 4: get out of school. Other than that is a perfect

684
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Speaker 4: system right outside of that, Missus Lincoln, how is the show?

685
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

686
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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific.

687
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Speaker 1: What up?

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Speaker 4: Which you Doug Gottlieben for Colin. This is the Herd

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690
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691
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: you haven't necessarily seen all your starters play in a

692
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Speaker 4: preseason game. Okay, t Joshpinzada will join us. We'll talk

693
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Speaker 4: some Shador. We'll also talk a couple other quarterbacks of

694
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Speaker 4: note up coming. We do have a brand new YouTube

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702
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Speaker 4: All right, let's welcome in the former Pro Bowl wide receiver,

703
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: longtime guest of my show other shows. Of course, he's

704
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Speaker 4: hu'sh Tjoshpinzada. He joins us now in the herd on

705
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Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio. Who'shu shod Or Sanders? So the good

706
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 4: is after the first couple of series, look good, you know,

707
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: look confident, deliver the ball with accuracy, move well in

708
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: the pocket. Like I'm not going to sit here and

709
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: tell you I know the quarterback position like you do

710
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 4: or like coaches do. But look, it wasn't like he

711
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: didn't look like he belonged out there. He looked really good.

712
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 4: But that's first preseason game. It's not with the ones,

713
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 4: it's not against the ones. And there's a lot of

714
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: quarterbacks that have looked good, that are young, that are inexperienced,

715
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Speaker 4: and that are not starters. What's your assessment of Schador

716
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: at this point in time and how he looks.

717
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: I thought he looked great, to be honest with you,

718
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: And you're right, he wasn't going against the ones. But

719
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Speaker 3: very rarely do we see a quarterback drafted in the

720
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Speaker 3: fifth round play this way in his first NFL game. Ever,

721
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Speaker 3: we haven't seen that. I don't know if we can

722
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 3: recall a quarterback that wasn't drafted in the first round

723
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Speaker 3: playing like this his first game. Now, obviously we would

724
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: like to see how he would perform going against starters.

725
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: But when you watch that game, the touch, the anticipation,

726
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: and he played on time, that translates. Now. Maybe that

727
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: first touchdown throw in a back corner against the Ones.

728
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: When he threw that ball, I was like, ooh, that's

729
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: a pick. Oh great throw. Maybe that's an incompletion. But

730
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Speaker 3: he just trusts himself so much, and when you play

731
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Speaker 3: with confidence, yeah, Like, it sucks that he's not going

732
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Speaker 3: to be able to play this weekend because of his

733
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: oblique injury, because I would have liked to scene how

734
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Speaker 3: he would have looked tomorrow. But that was a first

735
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: step in the right direction. He should be proud of himself.

736
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Speaker 3: But we know this playing sports, it's not what you

737
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: did yesterday. It's what can you do today and tomorrow

738
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Speaker 3: and every day moving forward.

739
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Speaker 4: Okay, so let's get into it for a second. I actually,

740
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Speaker 4: you know, it's interesting. I love the path that he

741
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 4: had playing college football from this perspective, and is he

742
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 4: went to a level that was honestly well below his

743
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 4: level of competency coming out of high school. Right, he

744
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: was like a three four star or whatever, and you know,

745
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: he's recruited like Southern Miss level. So instead goes to

746
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 4: Jackson State, obviously plays for his dad, but he gets

747
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 4: to start for two years. Then they jump up and

748
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 4: he gets to start for two years at Colorado and

749
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: because he's I mean, this is honestly who should Maybe

750
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: this is a little bit too much in the Beltway,

751
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 4: you know, behind the curtain, but in recruiting at my

752
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 4: level and really kind of at any level, but at

753
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 4: my level, we don't necessarily want a power five kid

754
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 4: transferring down because in order for a power five kid

755
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: to transfer down to our level, he'd likely didn't play.

756
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Speaker 4: So he doesn't have the confidence because he hasn't actually

757
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 4: done it before, and because he was at a higher level,

758
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 4: he thinks that he's better than he actually is because

759
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: our level is actually pretty darn good. Right, So he

760
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 4: did the reverse, which is what we try and do

761
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: in recruiting, which is, hey start at this level, kill it,

762
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 4: and then go to the next level get paid. But

763
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 4: also play against better competition, but you have confidence. And

764
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 4: we've recruited two D two kids that have supreme self

765
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 4: confidence because they were dominant Division two one, Division three player. Anyway,

766
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 4: point is he's confident, he's well rounded, He's seen lots

767
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 4: of different football because he's actually played it. But what

768
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: everyone said was missing was really two things right. It

769
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 4: was the the lack of engagement in those meetings and

770
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 4: really it comes down to the feeling of entitlement. And

771
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 4: then two from a football perspective, it's does he have

772
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: a big time arm and is he a big time athlete?

773
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Speaker 4: Let's start with the entitlement piece. Does it as a

774
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 4: pro as a vet shows up, got the entourage, got

775
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 4: a guy carrying his bag, somebody filming him. That's part

776
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 4: of who he is. Does that affect the locker room

777
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Speaker 4: at all?

778
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: No, we got to understand who is this. It's a

779
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: new day and age man. These young kids or young men,

780
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 3: they've grown up in a influencer era. Everything that they

781
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: do they want to record it. They want to have memories,

782
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 3: did they they want to have everything on video. That's

783
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: just what this generation is and we got to get

784
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 3: used to that. Like that the arrogance, like people, Oh

785
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: he's cocky, he's arrogant. He he may have been, but

786
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: I promise you you want somebody with supreme confidence over

787
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: somebody that has no confidence.

788
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Speaker 4: There's a middle there's a middle ground there, right. I mean,

789
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: look what they try to do. What they try to

790
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 4: do is they try to dictate where he was going.

791
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 4: And so that was a.

792
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: Lesson learned, right like that, that was a lesson learned

793
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: from them. If that's what they try to do, that's

794
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 3: a lesson learned. But I promise you I would rather

795
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: you be KACKI. Then you have no confidence because the

796
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 3: cockiness that many perceived him to have, he was somewhat

797
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: humble because of what happened. I believe he's going to

798
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: be a really good player because as he has that.

799
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: I can't be as cocky as I was if I'm

800
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 3: trying to control where I go and I go on

801
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: the fifth round. But I'm gonna be me and me

802
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: is uber confident, super belief in myself, and that goes

803
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: so fine. I think people forget that. Man, if you

804
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: don't have belief, you might as well give it up.

805
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: You could not be more right.

806
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Speaker 2: T J.

807
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Speaker 4: Huschmansato former Pro bowlide receiver joining us, the wide receiver

808
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 4: whisperer himself kind of to spend some time here with

809
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 4: us in the herd that said, hey, can you be

810
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: I know it's a new era. I would We could

811
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 4: go back and forth on whether or not it's a

812
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 4: new era for quarterbacks with that, but that's I know

813
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 4: it's a new era. Can you be that guy with

814
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 4: a media social media entourage following and be a backup

815
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 4: quarterback in the NFL?

816
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 3: No? Now, you if you're a young guy, if you're

817
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: a backup a year or two, possibly, but you you

818
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: can be a career back up and have that. No,

819
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: I don't believe so. Now the entourage is his older brothers,

820
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: So is it really? I mean, that's a family member

821
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: that's doing the recording, is Dion Jr. And so it's

822
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: tough to have an entourage and people recording you in

823
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: this camera that camera. When you aren't a starter, that

824
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: that is going to be tough. But once you become

825
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: a starter, you're gonna have to You're gonna have to

826
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: manage it. You can't it can be over the top

827
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 3: all the time. You aren't going to have to manage

828
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: it because now other players are gonna feel they can

829
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 3: do certain things that they've seen you do and they're

830
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: not you, and so it's a fine line that they're

831
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: gonna have to walk. But it's so far away. I

832
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: don't mind the videos. Everybody is recording themselves, whether they're

833
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 3: gonna record themselves, they're gonna go on live, they're gonna

834
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: go on ticks, whatever it is, or they're gonna have

835
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: somebody do it. And it's done the right way. And

836
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: he's just doing it the right way instead of knowing

837
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: it himself.

838
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the only quarterback to be doing it. That's

839
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: that's that's there. The positional part of it is going

840
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 4: to be the interesting aspect.

841
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: You've never seen a quarterback do these things, but hey.

842
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he did it to be losing.

843
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm just sitting like when the

844
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 3: quarterback has always been the gods, it's kind of quiet.

845
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: He's going to lead, but he isn't doing these things.

846
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: But he's look his father maybe the flashiest football player

847
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: to ever play ever changed, and so he's been bred

848
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: this way.

849
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 4: I know, I listen, I got it. I just it's

850
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 4: like you said, you can't do it if you're a backup,

851
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 4: and now he's hurt, gives other guys an opportunity. Maybe

852
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 4: they've maybe they fall in their face. Like I think

853
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 4: he's more talent than Dylan Gabriel. I think most people

854
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 4: think that. But Dylan Gabriel personality wise, is a great backup.

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Speaker 4: But did you draft a guy in the third round

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Speaker 4: to be a backup? I don't know. We'll we'll find out.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you about Matt Stafford. So Sean me

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Speaker 4: Vay comes out and says he's gonna do some throwing

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Speaker 4: next week. He was supposed to do some throwing this week.

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Speaker 4: It's it's what's the old Yogi bear expression, it's getting

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Speaker 4: later early. If you're should the Rams be freaking out

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Speaker 4: over Matt Stafford, I'd.

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Speaker 3: Be concerned if you haven't, Yeah, you're Matt Stafford. I

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Speaker 3: met Matthew Stafford when he was going into a sophomore

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Speaker 3: year at Georgia, so it's long ago. He was a

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Speaker 3: great throw out of football. Then he's still a great

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Speaker 3: throw at the football. Now. One thing he's gonna be

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Speaker 3: able to do is throw the football with great accuracy

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Speaker 3: and great velocity. He it will concern me that he

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Speaker 3: hasn't practiced in training camp. That that is concerning, especially

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Speaker 3: when you say, okay, last Saturday he threw sixty passes.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how he feels on Sunday the next day.

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Speaker 3: So if he felt good on Sunday, you at least

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Speaker 3: would have practiced on Tuesday. And so the still now

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Speaker 3: practice shows me he didn't feel good the next morning,

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Speaker 3: because if he felt good, he would have practiced. And

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Speaker 3: so it has to be concerning, like they can spend

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Speaker 3: it any way you want to spend it. If Matthew

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Speaker 3: Stafford isn't practicing, something is bothering him. And so if

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Speaker 3: I'm the raums 'm concerning because the Rams are Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl contenders, but they aren't Super Bowl contenders that Matthew

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Speaker 3: Stafford isn't under center.

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Speaker 4: Calum Williams did he play Doug.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this, and I've told people this. If Caleb

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Speaker 3: Williams does not have success, this won't go to the

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Speaker 3: coaching staff. We can't blame matt uber Flues and the

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator Ben Johnson is proven. Ben Johnson resurrected Jared Goff.

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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson had the number one offense in the league

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Speaker 3: every year he was in Detroit. They were top three,

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Speaker 3: four or five moving the ball up and like we know,

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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson can get it done. If they don't have

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Speaker 3: this is all gonna be on Cayler Williams. Can he play?

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say yes, but I don't know why you

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Speaker 3: didn't play the first game. Like it's a new system.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting, But I'm musa say yes, Caleb Williams can play.

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Speaker 3: They have the weapons at the skill position. They reinforced

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Speaker 3: that offensive line through free agency. But I'm slightly concerned.

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Speaker 3: I'll say that who's.

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Speaker 4: Here the best man? We gotta catch up in person.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you join us. Thanks for our guest in

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Speaker 4: the hurt, Doug.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man. Take care.

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Speaker 4: That's my guy.

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Speaker 3: T J. H.

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Speaker 4: Shpins up for a Pro Bowl wide receiver, the wide

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Speaker 4: respect pro whisperers. Whisperer joining us in the her