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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you and Buck Man. This is uh, this

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Speaker 1: the trading deadline day. So literally we have everything mapped

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Speaker 1: My my question is did they do the reverse? Did

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Speaker 1: And he is there, you know, obviously have the biggest

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing DJ, And that's the

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Speaker 1: got those other other things, then then you can drop

429
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: one in. We don't have a problem with you're taking

430
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 1: one in the first round with what we're getting at.

431
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: If the rest of the team is built and you

432
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: want to drop that guy in, but don't don't make

433
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 1: that at the beginning portion of your build. That's that's

434
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: just not it's not wise. And I think this Derrick

435
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: Henry Andry is gonna be fascinating because maybe Gosh, I

436
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: would say, maybe them in the Browns like a running

437
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 1: back built centric team. And the problem with being that

438
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 1: way is, you know, you obviously would ideally like to

439
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 1: be a quarterback driven team, and the quarterback you can

440
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: have some injuries. We've seen that in the last few weeks.

441
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: We've seen some quarterbacks go down. But the probability of

442
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: your running back going down far greater uh than than

443
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: your quarterback. So now you've lost him. We've seen what

444
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers look like. That's a running back uh

445
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: driven team, how they're built. It's built around Christian McCaffrey.

446
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: You take him out of the mix, not not a

447
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: good offense. So I'm curious to see how this works

448
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 1: without Derrick Henry and if that would even as great

449
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: as he's ben, if it would even you know, maybe

450
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: potentially scared teams away from that just saying, man, this

451
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: we can't be that running back dependent. That's what I'm

452
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 1: getting at. Yeah, I think there are a few different

453
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: things with that. I think it's very true. I think

454
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: everyone is looking at the Derrick Henry situation trying to

455
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: figure out how is this going to impact team building

456
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: processes going forward. That's natural. Two time Russian CHAMPI guys

457
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: that two well on the ways two thou season. He

458
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 1: he's different and his workload, you know, when you look

459
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: up and you see the amount of carriage that he

460
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: head over the next closest guy like this uncommon, And

461
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: we talked about that shelf life for running backs in

462
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: those things. I don't know when it comes to building

463
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: a team, if the Derrick Henry model is ideal, what

464
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: you just have one guy doing everything? I would think

465
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 1: the Browns model, Um, yeah, do that Yeah, the odds

466
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: are better in your favorite you can keep one of

467
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: those guys healthy, right, keep one of those guys healthy,

468
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: and you just always can do it. In DJ how

469
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: about we take the approach with running backs like I

470
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: told you Ron Wolf did with quarterbacks. Every other year

471
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: he would draft one early. So why would you just

472
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: say that, No, no matter what, we're always going to

473
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: use a second or third round pick on a running

474
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: back because the sweet spot when you look at the runners,

475
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: the ones at the top of just most of them

476
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: come from like second or third round. The Denver Broncos

477
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: system with the old Shanahan system kind of skews some

478
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: of the other stuff when it comes to other guys.

479
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 1: But normally Shady mccorby was the second round pick. Levy

480
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: and Bill was the second round pick, Derrick King's the

481
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: second round pick. Alvi Kamar is a third round pick.

482
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: Normally that is, Matt Forte was the second round pick.

483
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: Dalvin sweet Spot. Yeah, David Coot, So why not every

484
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: year every other year, just make sure you take a

485
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: high end running back in that range and it fits.

486
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: It just allows you to have fresh legs to attack people,

487
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: to grind and everyone doesn't have to shoulder the bird.

488
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: So you know how when you're trying to take care

489
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: of yourself physically and you uh, you say, okay, well, man,

490
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: I worked out. I worked out an extra you know,

491
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: thirty minutes to day I can have. I can treat

492
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: myself to a little little something maybe not as healthy

493
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: from a from a dietary standpoint, if you want to

494
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: stomach taking a running back within the first three rounds,

495
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: which some people will say they're patently against. To me,

496
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: it's it's very simple of where I'm gonna trade down

497
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: in the first or second round a few spots, and

498
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: when I do that, that is the the bonus pick

499
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna get. It's an extra pick. I feel

500
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: like I've I've done my job. I've got a little

501
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: extra exercise. I can afford to go have the little

502
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: Reese's Peanut butter cup, which is which is a running

503
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: back here in the second or third round. Because it's

504
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: a bonus pick, you just you add that pick. It's

505
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: not part of your original draft picks, and just look

506
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: at that. Hey, this is a little sugar I got

507
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: for just trading down a few spots, and I kind

508
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: of keep the legs fresh in that room. And I'm

509
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: not gonna put the burden on one dude. No, no,

510
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: DJ Like, uh, I know we've talked about um football

511
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: in high school and my stuff or whatever. So we're

512
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: a team that we run wing, t double wing, whatever

513
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: you wanna call it. But the beauty of the system is,

514
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: like you can play a bunch of different backs. And

515
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: I was advised by old school high school coaches, like

516
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: a man, don't just give it a one guy because

517
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: over the course of a long season, that's a lot

518
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: of shots, a lot of car wrecks for one guy

519
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: to end up with Todd Gurley is what That's what

520
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: happened to end up with a Todd Gurley. And it's

521
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: best that you distributed and get good backs, good high

522
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: quality backs that you can share the load. And what

523
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: I think we'll see more teams do is people hate

524
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: the running back by committee, but I think in a

525
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: seventeen game season, I think it's the way to go.

526
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: I think I think it's the way that you have

527
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: to go. And not only do you do it like that,

528
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: I think you almost have to build in some load

529
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: management things. Hey man, every every fifth game, dude, you

530
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: might have to sit. You might have get you, We'll

531
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: get you ten touch ten touch limit like or you

532
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: know we're not going over ten touches. Yeah, we'll we'll

533
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: we will keep the pitch count down. We're gonna make

534
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: sure that we loaded up, we have enough running backs

535
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: in the pipeline and the offer. Hey we're going. And

536
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: so it's a little more systematic than you would like

537
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: or that some teams can tolerate right now, but I

538
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: think you have to evolved because it is. It is all.

539
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: Just think about the injuries that we've already had. We're

540
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: just getting to the midway point, and normally the attrition

541
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: begins to really impact everybody down near the end. Let

542
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: me give you, let me give you the I just

543
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: looked this up. So this is the rushing yardist leader

544
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: so far. Okay, Derrick Henry second round, right, Jonathan Taylor

545
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: second round, Nick Chubb second round right. That's the first three.

546
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: Joe Mixing fourth, Joe second or second second one. Let

547
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: me let me look that up real quick. Joe Mixon

548
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: was second round pick. So the first four our second

549
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: round picks. Zeke is fifth obviously was the first round pick.

550
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: Damian Harris, I think was what a three? What you

551
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: know what he might have been. Three Harris was pick.

552
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: He was a third rounder, had great. So five of

553
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: the top six rushers were second or third round picks.

554
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: Darrell Henderson is seventh. He was a third round pick.

555
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: So six of the top seven. UM, and then you

556
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: get James Robinson was a free agent. Alvin Kamara was

557
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: a third round pick, which is still amazing to me. Um,

558
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: isn't it's all second and third round picks. That's like

559
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: all that's all the top ten. So they're right there

560
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: kind of defines it. Right. So if we talk about

561
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: from a philosophical standpoint, right, you and I've already talked

562
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: about the first round should be reserved for we talked

563
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: about offensive and defensive lineman, so trenches. Then we're talking

564
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks pass rushers. And you're big on the corner

565
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: in the first round. I kind of go back and

566
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: forth about whether I think a corner could be I

567
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: think some of it is systematic, but I put the

568
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: astre by that. So the first round is for skills

569
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: and trenches, right, Uh? Second round, third round, Okay, that's

570
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: where we go and get our running backs. And I

571
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: bet you if we look up DJ there's probably some

572
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: other spots that we can get in the second and

573
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: third round. That always bears out. Maybe it's the off

574
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: the ball linebacker, like your fair warners, you're Levante David's

575
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: um by Bobby Wagner. Maybe he's the second round round.

576
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: So so now, d you what we're doing is we're

577
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: tearing the way that we view these people, but we're

578
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: also putting them in rounds where we want to target.

579
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: A first round here's where we're always looking to pick.

580
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: We're shopping at this store and this is norths. We're

581
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: only getting shoes from here. We only get shoes in

582
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: the first round. We get our clothes in the second

583
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: and third round, and we bring it down because I

584
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: think in that second and third round you can get

585
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: your linebackers, your wide receivers, and you're running back. All right,

586
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned what you mentioned. You mentioned wide receivers. Okay,

587
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: let's go wide receivers yard. It's right now. Cooper Cup

588
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: number one third round pick, third round, Deebo Samuel, second round,

589
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase, which falls in the freak show category. He's

590
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: a freak show. Number one first round pick, Davante Adams,

591
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: second round pick, Tyreek Kills a unique situation because of

592
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: the off the field stuff coming out. But I think

593
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: if you I'll leave that one all right. Chris Godwin

594
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: is next second second, d J Moore after that, he's

595
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: the late first round. D J Moore was pick you're

596
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: right too, so then you get Ceedee Lamb. Michael Pittman

597
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: was a second rounder, um DK Mattcast not far behind there.

598
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: He's a second rounder. So here's here's what I'm discovering.

599
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: Second and third round. Like that is all the more

600
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: reason to trade out in one if like, if you

601
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: can get a freak, you take a freak. There's not

602
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: a freak or a Premier Premier Premier Premier player. Just

603
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: track down a little bit and get yourself. I want

604
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: as many bites at the apple in the second, third

605
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: round as possible. Right. If you're picking outside the top ten,

606
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: like I get it. If you're picking inside the top ten,

607
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: you've got a chance to get quarterbacks, the defensive vents,

608
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, tackles, like I get that. You're in the

609
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: top ten, sticking pick you know, I'm okay with that.

610
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: You're picking fourteen, you're picking seventeen, you're picking twenty two.

611
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: There's no difference between twenty two and just go back

612
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: three spots and get as many second and third round

613
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: picks as you can potentially get. I think what we're

614
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: doing because this is this is really fun. Um. We

615
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: said first round quarterbacks, rushers, lineman, the old line D line.

616
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: Now we're talking tackles that we're talking guards to No.

617
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I've it depends on where you are

618
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: in your building process, but I think I'm I think

619
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: to me, offensive lineman I would put together as a whole.

620
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: I used to be more tackle over interior guys, but

621
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: you can make a case sometimes your interior guys can

622
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: be even more valuable than your tackle. So I'm I'm

623
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: coming off of the tackle and just saying premier bigs.

624
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: It's hard to find premier bigs. Yeah, Now I'm gonna.

625
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna because that's what I wrote down. I wrote

626
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: rusher's old line D line corners. Second round are a

627
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: skill guys, right. So we talked about running backs, receiver, receivers.

628
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: I talked about linebackers. Yeah, I mean I I yeah,

629
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: I think like to me, linebackers, safetyes um tight ends, third,

630
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: fourth round. I don't even know that I need to

631
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: go in the second round for those guys, do you um,

632
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: I think I get a better product at linebacker, second

633
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: inside linebacker, off the ball, difference maker type. I think

634
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm more to get him in the second I would

635
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: have to go back and look and see of those

636
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: top line That's fine. I don't I don't. I don't

637
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: hate that. I don't hate that only because Darius Leonard.

638
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: I think is the second round when you go and

639
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: you look at the Pro bowlers, those are kind of guys.

640
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what is the third round? For? What

641
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: are we get in the third round? What we saw

642
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: a mixture of wide receivers we saw, we saw there's

643
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: a good number of third round receivers that are good players.

644
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: Get those. I mean you can to me, like third round,

645
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: you can get tight ends, you can get safeties like

646
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: those are you know skill, You can find those guys.

647
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: Diamond doesn't where we where do we we put the cornerback,

648
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: the blue chip cornerback. We're putting that in the first round. Yeah,

649
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: I still think corners are hard. I mean I think

650
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: those those big, big athletic Stefan gil Moore. Yeah, a

651
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: lot of pretty much, yeah, pretty much. There's a ton

652
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: of ones. So it's hard to find those guys. So

653
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: to me like that's it's a good exercise. But what

654
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: I will I keep coming back to is that I

655
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: think we had this long conversation, but we can say

656
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: are we are we in agreement that if you're not

657
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: picking in the top ten and maybe even give you

658
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: the grace to the top fifteen. Outside of that, for

659
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: the most part, it's going reverse. Man, it's going reverse,

660
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: back up, back up, get in the second round, get

661
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: more your second round picks. So as you can, you

662
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: can't find it, particularly if you know what you're looking for. Yeah,

663
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: if you know exactly what you're looking for, it has

664
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: been proven time and time again that you certainly can

665
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: find those guys. And I do believe over time, if

666
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: we look at the Pro Bowl players at those positions,

667
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: I think we probably can't find a little bit of

668
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: a trend um when it comes to building a team.

669
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: Now that the other the other part that I would say,

670
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: the one caveat is if you're picking, if you're picking

671
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: in the twenties, and now you've got a player who

672
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: you have is your seventh player on the board, and

673
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: he's somehow miraculously falls to you and you you you

674
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: think he's the seventh as player in the draft, you

675
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: take him. You know, I don't get cute and trade

676
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: down like if if you just think the whole rest

677
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: of the league screwed up, trust in your evaluation and

678
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: do it. I get that, But most times that's not

679
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: the way it is. Usually when you're picking down there,

680
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, there's three or four guys. We kind

681
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: of like here, there's some division. Some guys want this guy,

682
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: other guys want that guy. Let's just trade down a

683
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: few spots and let fate decide what we got there.

684
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: That's fine. Yeah, And I think I think there's some

685
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: some value to this, Like I wrote down draft tears

686
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: and marquee positions. Um. I think this is because even

687
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks DJ, we can talk about like, oh,

688
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: you might be able to over time the league says

689
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: your quarterbacks are first round us. Yeah, like yeah, we'll

690
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: get lucky every now and then, but for the most

691
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: part of this mess where they come but it's manufactured

692
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: or not. Then being in diverse round, first round pick,

693
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: you got to it's gonna be a quarterback. Yeah there there,

694
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: there you go. Um So, anyways, an interesting little project

695
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: there let's let's move on to discussion. I want to

696
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: talk to you real quick about the Saints and where

697
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: they go. Let's do that right after this, alright, Buck,

698
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: So we have Jameis Winston go down. Um, I'll give

699
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: you my name that came to me right away and

700
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: made all the sense in the world. And then I'll

701
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: let you go and see what you wanna do with

702
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: this topic. But I don't know if anybody knows much

703
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: about geography, but Mobile, Alabama is not far from New Orleans, Louisiana.

704
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: And if I'm Sean Payton and I'm the New Orleans Saints,

705
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Philip Rivers, you had a great high school season.

706
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't think their team made the playoffs. I think

707
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: they they had a great year. By don't I think

708
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: they're done. I think their season is over. And I

709
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: would be saying, we are a defensive team, We've got

710
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: a we've got a big time back. We're gonna get

711
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: all these other players back. You're fresh, you haven't had

712
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: any hits on your body. Um, come back in. We won't.

713
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: You don't need to play for the first couple of weeks.

714
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: Let you acclimate and then be a caretaker. Good decisions

715
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: and you can function in this offense and off we go.

716
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: I think I would make that call, but I'll give

717
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: you the option here. What do you mean mm hmmmm,

718
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: that one I did not see coming. I mean, if

719
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: you're Philip Rivers, because I don't know if he wants

720
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: to play again or not. But I'm saying, if you

721
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: looked at close checklist, a checklist, the location, playoff team,

722
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: good offense like you know Sean Payton, door playing indoors like,

723
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: it's a lot of the checklist there, if you did

724
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: want to squeeze out and try and chase a ring

725
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: one more time if you're filling So, so here's what

726
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: I think they should do. Anyway, regardless of whether you

727
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: say that or not. Uh, I think dead is a

728
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: great strategy. I think it's a great strategy. If I

729
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: have some uncertainty about Taysom Hill and Trevor Simeon, I

730
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: think it's a great strategy if one of those guys

731
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: happens to get hurt or like to have Philip Rivers

732
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: and the thing maybe we do right now temporarily we

733
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: do the Josh McCown thing with Philip Rivers. Let's sign

734
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: him to the practice squad. But let's leave him in

735
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: Fair Hope. All right, Now they have you, Yeah, you

736
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: get the playbook. Now I have you just in case

737
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 1: I need you. I don't need you to come here

738
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: and be the three. I don't need you necessarily standing

739
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: on the sideline right now. But I got you, like

740
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: in the glass case. When we break it out, if

741
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: we need so, then that way he has an opportunity

742
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: to learn it. I don't know if you. I don't

743
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: know if if I'm Philip Rivers and all I've done

744
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: this league. I don't know if I'm saying, hey, I'm

745
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: gonna do the practice squad thing, we'll see. I don't

746
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: know if I can bring him in and put him

747
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: in front of Taysom Hill and whatever, because now I'm

748
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: worried about disrupting the chemistry of myself. See, I'm telling

749
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill, I get my cake and need it too.

750
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: It's the reason why they started Jamis over Taysom, right,

751
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: because you get Jamis and Taysom I mean, I get it,

752
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: but it's Taysom will go for that. You think you're

753
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: gonna make decision because you're worried about how Taysom Hill

754
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: feels about it. I mean, no hard feelings, but this

755
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: dude's like a Hall of Famer we're gonna bring in

756
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame quarterback. We taste him a lot

757
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: of money to be whatever he is. On Another thing

758
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: is I I'd be curious to see because just having

759
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: been around Philip Rivers, knowing how much he wanted to

760
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl, I don't think you gotta pay

761
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. He's like, I'm a high school coach. He's

762
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: his money goes a long way in Fairhope, Alabama. I

763
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: can promise you that. So I just come in and say, hey,

764
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: I don't just I just want to just want to

765
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: throw the ball around a little bit. He might, he might,

766
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: just he might. The phone call could be two seconds.

767
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: He goes back, I don't want to play, but I'm

768
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: gonna least a phone call. If they picked the phone,

769
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: he's gonna pick it up and he's gonna consider it

770
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: seriously because of what you talked about. Uh. The only

771
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: thing that we don't know is Shanpage has never worked

772
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: with Philip, whereas Frank Bracket worked with him. So there

773
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: was a history. Um how much of he'd learned that

774
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: seconds he'd learned that offense in two seconds. I mean

775
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: I know, I mean, I know he'd do it. I

776
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: just want him to take it. And then I wanted

777
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: to have a section in the Superdome and just has

778
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: Rivers high school team, so you get like all of

779
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: his high school players up there. It's like a was

780
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: it was the Baseball movie was based off a true

781
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: story where uh, Dennis Quaid like comes back. It's like

782
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: fort is like holding the baby's arm and trying out,

783
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, like the whole thing. I want all Phillips kids.

784
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: I want the whole family there, and then I want

785
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: the who high school football team there, um with like

786
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: that's my quarterback or that's my coach shirts on, like

787
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: let's let's go there at the rookie. We never have

788
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: any issues with Drew Brees coming back because of their

789
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: history going way back. How about that? How about that

790
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: you would have How crazy would it be if Philip

791
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: went to the Saints and won a Super Bowl, so

792
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: that you'd have Breeze and Rivers start their careers together

793
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: with the Chargers. They both end up winning a Super

794
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: Bowl with the Saints, they'd be tied together forever forever.

795
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that would be one. Yeah, I

796
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: wonder I owner Drew Wild endorsed that. I think they

797
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: get along. I think they get I think they got

798
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: along fine. Get along fine is one thing. It's anohing.

799
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: You have somebody in your your QB once spight after

800
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: your long and gone. I don't know. I mean, I

801
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: think it's good for the media give you something talking about.

802
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: I think it's something where if you if we were

803
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: in the Saints Pro department, it has to be a

804
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: conversation in the discussion because as much as we saw

805
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon uh and the injury that Tasameo has, you

806
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: better have another quarterback ready. You better have another one

807
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: ready because one we don't think this team wins the

808
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Super Do you think this team can win the Super

809
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: Bowl with Trevor Simeon, No, I don't think so. Do

810
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: you think the team could win the Super Bowl with

811
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers? I think he can make enough. See, there's

812
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: enough hesitation, there's enough. Even if you didn't believe it,

813
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: the fact that you looked up to the sky and

814
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: we're trying to think about it, and count I asked

815
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: you about Trevor Simmon. You didn't stutter. You said, no,

816
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: that's it. No, that tells you everything you need to know.

817
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: You gotta make the phone call. You got at least

818
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: make the phone call. Oh, no, you have to make

819
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: the call. I'm just so you're trying to figure out.

820
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm Sean Payton and I'm looking around and I'm in

821
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: the quarterback room and I'm like, Simeon Hill, I mean, DJ,

822
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: you've done it, because I know you. You've coached flag

823
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: football before. And sometimes when you're when when you're picking

824
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: up the flag football team, you don't necessarily get a

825
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: chance to pick all the players, right, like you kind

826
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 1: of inherit the team and you're like you look around

827
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, all right, here we go. We gotta

828
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: skills assessment. Let's go okay. Then we get all the

829
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: catches over here, the throwers and the ball goes up

830
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: for about twenty minutes, and you're like, we're in trouble.

831
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: We gotta We're gonna be a long year. And so

832
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: I wonder when Sean Payton is like, look, man, I

833
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: like when people celebrate me from my ingenuity and my brilliance,

834
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: But am I trying to do that every week when

835
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 1: I'm trying to manufacturing the game planning of the year

836
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: each and every week. It's a lot easier when you

837
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: have guys who can be like, uh, we's gonna in

838
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: these four plays, guys in your guys, we're figuring out.

839
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: It's a lot of holding out out there. Oh um, alright,

840
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: Uh anything anything else you want to add here? I

841
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: was gonna hit on this game, but I think we've

842
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: kind of exhausted the Chiefs. Nothing's changed, I feel like,

843
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: I mean, all the same issues and frustrations that they've had.

844
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: I think we've seen those pop up every single week.

845
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: They're not patient, they're not they're not as physical as

846
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: they should be, they're not taking layups, um, and it's

847
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: going to continue to be a problem. And then now

848
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: you compound that with obviously the turnovers that have popped

849
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: up because you're not being patient, because you're not being

850
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: sound and physical, and then you've seen some stupid penalties

851
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: attack on top of that. That was a that felt

852
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: like a loss more than a win. When you watched

853
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: that game last night, Oh, I felt like so much

854
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: heavy slitting. And so here's the challenge, and I know

855
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: you see it right in front of your eyes. Um,

856
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: with the charges each week, DJ takes about half the

857
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: season to figure out what your team really is. And

858
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: we can sit here and talk about in the preseason,

859
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: Hey man, we're gonna do this. We think we can

860
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: do this type of team to that. Once the ball

861
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: is lined up, t eat up for real and you

862
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: start playing games where the de wuts and nails really count.

863
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: At some point in the season, you have to have

864
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: that long, hard conversation with your coaches and your team

865
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: and you have to tell him, guys, here's where we

866
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: are and here's how we're going to play going forward,

867
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: because this gives us the best chance to win. The

868
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: Chiefs have to look at what they're doing and they

869
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: have to say, man, we can't keep turning the ball

870
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: over like this. Now we're gonna have to figure out

871
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: a way to change our ways. And for Andy, some

872
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: people like to go down with the ship. They're gonna

873
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: do it their way. We're gonna through it all over

874
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: the yard and I'm not gonna worry about it or

875
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: is he going to be? And Pat, I love you

876
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: right now, we need a bit of thing. Let's see

877
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: if we can settle this thing down a little bit

878
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: for you and build you back up. The turnover. Turnovers

879
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: are too much like this is the part and we'll

880
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: say this, this is the part of Pat Mahomes game

881
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: at Texas Tech that made us pause before giving him

882
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: the big grade because when you watch them at Texas

883
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: Tech the same I would say, free willing recklessness that

884
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: we've seen. It resulted in some of the turnovers that

885
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: we're seeing now. And the big thing was, can you

886
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: take a sandlot player and make him a traditional player,

887
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: we can have success. Obviously he was able to do that,

888
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: but this is the part that gave everyone trepidation on Man,

889
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, like he's super talents. I want to

890
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: give them a grade for the talent, but man, what

891
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: do we do with these creative things? And how do

892
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: we build an offense around those talents? Because now what

893
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: they need to do is figure out a way to

894
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: kind of help him overcome his struggles by taking some

895
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: of that off of him despite the fact that he's

896
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: your best player. I was thinking about a things we

897
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: always we always talk about everything cyclical, right, everything comes back.

898
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: You see it, we see it and you see in fashion,

899
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: you see it in music, you see in tastes, you

900
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: see it in sports. Everything cycles through and it always

901
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: comes back around. And I'm sitting here and I'm watching

902
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: the Chargers Patriots game, right and I'm watching how efficient

903
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, Mac Jones is playing. His numbers don't look great,

904
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: but when they needed when they needed quick completions. They

905
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: need to finish out the game, quick out, quick out hitch,

906
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, shallow cross, boom balls out where it needs

907
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: to be, not trying to do too much. Um. And

908
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking of, you know, this was kind

909
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: of a big man's game for a period of time,

910
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: and then what happened offenses adjusted That offense has got

911
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: a little smaller offensive quarterbacks. We went from maybe trying

912
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: to find all the six ft five plus pure pocket

913
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and we said, you know what, we're gonna get

914
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: more athletic and we're gonna extend plays and we're gonna

915
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: make things happen. And you were trying to find these creatives, right,

916
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: The creatives were taking taking over the league. And that

917
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: started a little bit with my Holmes. Um, we see

918
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: it obviously with Josh Allen having the success, Herberts had success.

919
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: These guys that can really kind of move around and

920
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: create and and make things happen and so what's what

921
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: the defense do. The defense has gotten smaller, the defense

922
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: has gotten faster. You've seen an emphasis on taking away

923
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: explosive plays. We're gonna dare you to run the ball.

924
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna dare you to be patient. And now it's like,

925
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what can help? What can

926
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: work in the NFL? Right now? Mac Jones type player

927
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: who's just gonna sit back there and take the layups

928
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: and be patient and not try and get too greedy

929
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: and ping ping ping, ping pink and and I'm like, man,

930
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: is this thing all coming kind of slightly background. The

931
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: other thing is when I'm watching the Chiefs, like the

932
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: behind the back play that we saw there, like I

933
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: don't know how you are. I don't you don't you do?

934
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: You don't drink coffee? Do you buck? A little bit?

935
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: Just every new idea? So if you go into order,

936
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: you go into order coffee, right, I am Americano black?

937
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: That's it? Uh sir? What can I get you today? Yeah?

938
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: I'll take a grande Americano you want to think black? Okay,

939
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: that's my order. That's what the Chiefs need to do,

940
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: because they're going up the menu saying I like a

941
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: soy latte. Can you put a little bit of this,

942
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of that, and the order is this long?

943
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: Like just just just get a plane, just throw a hitch.

944
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: I don't need the behind the back stuff anymore. Okay,

945
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: the no look passes the behind the back like the

946
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: catching laterals like just order your coffee black, Like that's

947
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: just take take some of the scissor out of it. Yes,

948
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: you've been you've if you've been into by, if you

949
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: go go to coffee shop, you've you've seen the lady

950
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: that that that. I would said the lady because my

951
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: I think my daughter will probably be one of those.

952
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: Her order is so long with all these instructions, I'm like,

953
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: how do they remember all this stuff? DJ I absolutely

954
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: understand it. And here's the thing. They're not quite losing,

955
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: But there's a philosophy that when you lose, you need

956
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: to start doing less. What you want to do is

957
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: like drip down to the stood simplifiest so they can

958
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: play fast. They're talented enough where if you talk about

959
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: the things that you're talking abou Americano black. Hey man,

960
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna line up two by two all hitches smash.

961
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: Let's go who We're just let's just get into a

962
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: rhythm where we see some success. And I give ourselves

963
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: a chance by allowing our best players to get loose.

964
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: And the better the players, the simpler you actually can be,

965
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: because they can overwhelm one with talent. Uh. The other

966
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: thing that you said, and I thought about this last

967
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: night when I was watching the game, I was like,

968
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, the challenge that you have as a coach

969
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: is how committed are you to winning? Mm hmm. Are

970
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: you committed to winning? Or you committed to doing things

971
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: your way? See, because the Chiefs at the beginning of

972
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: the game, we're running the football and having tremendous success. However,

973
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't look like the fun loving Chiefs that everyone likes.

974
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: So can you cast your ego to the side and

975
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: say this is how we have to play to win?

976
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: And I know I have all these plays, and I

977
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: worked on all these plays in the off season, but

978
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: right now where we are, we need to play oh

979
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: basic football one oh one and do some of that stuff.

980
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: And what they'll find is if they do simplify and

981
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: scale it all the way back, they'll play better because

982
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: their guys would be freer and looser and able to

983
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: play at a high level without having to worry about

984
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 1: the backside. I'll stand by what I've said for over

985
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: a month now to that offensive line is built for power,

986
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: not protection. That they they have built a run blocking

987
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: offensive line and they want to sit back there and

988
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: throw it. It It just doesn't marry up Um and they're

989
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: getting the looks they're getting just begging them to run

990
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: the ball. Anyways, the Chiefs conversation, we feel like we

991
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: have it every week. Last thing, I almost forgot about this.

992
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: Mike White had the big game for the Jets, went back,

993
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,479
Speaker 1: come out of West Kentucky. Uh, pulled up my notes

994
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: on him, Buck, I want to get your thoughts. He

995
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: was six oh four five, so almost six five pounds

996
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: ran I oh nine UM. I gave him a sixty one,

997
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: which is a potential starter grade, meaning, you know, not

998
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: an eventual starter, but potential starter. He had the ability.

999
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: I thought he could potentially be a starter. UM my

1000
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: notes operated in the gun. He was really quick to

1001
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: get to number two in his progression. Average athletic ability,

1002
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: really smooth and comfortable in the pocket. Um wasn't very

1003
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: athletic or explosive on the move. Um deep ball accuracy

1004
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: was a concern, which if you go look at the shot,

1005
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: sharp didn't matter, didn't throw it down the field. Last

1006
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: last week, I say he's not creative. So kind of

1007
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: what we were just talking about. Kind of that Mac

1008
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: Jones on time in rhythm, on schedule underneath, not aggressive

1009
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: to extend plays, not aggressive to push the ball vertically.

1010
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: But if you're every team of the NFL right now

1011
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: has got this umbrella philosophy. They don't want to give

1012
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: up explosives. This dude's patient enough. He'll just ding ding

1013
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: ding kink think And that's what he did in that game,

1014
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: all the way to the two of four yards and look,

1015
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: it's it's funny. I'm going all the way back. I

1016
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Um before his final SEE season, I did a thing

1017
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: on him and I talked about him being under the

1018
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: radar guy that they were people were sleeping on. And

1019
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: the thing that I raved about was his intermediate short

1020
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: and intermediate passing ability. How he played the position basically

1021
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: like a pass first point guard. That's what yeah, like,

1022
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: he's had his best quick intermediate throws. Um has the

1023
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: ability to just kind of do everything when it comes

1024
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: distributing the rock. And so when I looked at him

1025
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: because I saw him uploads and personal at a bowl game. Um,

1026
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: it was the same kind of stuff. When I watched

1027
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: him against the Bengals. I went back and I looked.

1028
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm reading my report and I'm

1029
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: watching how he's playing DJ. It is all top of

1030
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: the drop, get it out, top of the drop, get

1031
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: it out, top of the drop, get it out. Not

1032
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: a lot of hey, where I'm holding it and take

1033
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: a potato man and doing those things. And Uh, it's

1034
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,479
Speaker 1: funny because in this thing that I wrote for NFL

1035
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: dot com years ago, I had him projected to go

1036
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: to the Patriots because at the time, the Patriots were

1037
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: looking for a team. And I was like, look, he's

1038
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 1: one of the perfect guys because he is a catch,

1039
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: rock and throw passer. It is all receivers under ten yards.

1040
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: He stresses the field from east to west with a

1041
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: bunch of horizontal throws um production to match his talent

1042
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: and potential as a developmental quarterback. And what we saw

1043
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: is that he understands himself and that's how that's why

1044
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: it works. He understands himself. He understands how he has

1045
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: to play the game, and he does with Zach Wilson

1046
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: hasn't learned to do yet. Hey, man, I can't hold

1047
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: this for a long time. I gotta get him out.

1048
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: Either the receivers are gonna be too far away from me,

1049
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: or the press is gonna get to me. So I'm

1050
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: gonna get it out, and I'm gonna let those guys

1051
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: Michael Carter and live More. I'm gonna let those guys

1052
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: do all the heavy lifting. And that's why it's working.

1053
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's an All Star, but I

1054
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: think it worked because as he knows himself, he knows

1055
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: how to play the game in a certain ways. Al Right,

1056
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: since I'm wearing a baseball hat, I'll give me the

1057
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: baseball analogy. This is Zack Wilson with the bat, right,

1058
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: he's got it down here, and then this is choked. Hey,

1059
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: just hit the other way. Man put the play. Okay,

1060
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: I get that because I used to do this in

1061
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: the backyard. Mike White is Rod carew leaning in it.

1062
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: He just okay, he's just lapping into the Still you're

1063
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: still Carus in the seven. He's gonna be Somebody eats

1064
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 1: your row. Everyone knows who eats row is. Come on, Tony,

1065
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: Gwen I mean, come on, wait, come on, contact contact

1066
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: contact contact guy. Uh, let's put the ball in play,

1067
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: man um. That's what it is though, that's just it's

1068
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: kind of like just hell, they frustrate you. And I

1069
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: think teams are gonna have to start playing a little

1070
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: bit more like this because of the coverage that you're seeing.

1071
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about the safety is being

1072
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: in the parking lot of ground, the league not trying

1073
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: to give up explosive plays. That's been beat into everybody's brain.

1074
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: And you see all these young defensive coordinators that are

1075
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: sprinkled all throughout the NFL, which is we don't care

1076
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: about we don't care about you know, yards, We care

1077
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: about points. The way you eliminate points to eliminate explosives.

1078
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: So let you run the ball a little bit. We'll

1079
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: give you the underneath stuff and we'll clamp down. But

1080
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: if you get teams that are patient and efficient and

1081
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: willing to play that way, they're gonna have success and

1082
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna score points. And that's why the Tom brady

1083
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: Is and the Drew Breeses of the world, we're able

1084
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: to play successfully. When they figured it out, they figured

1085
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: out like, oh, you're going to see if I'm patient

1086
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: enough to take these I'm gonna take them all. I'm

1087
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: gonna take them all. I'll take them all. That's fine.

1088
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: I'll just keep ding ding ding ding ding, which is

1089
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: also why in the game, because people talked about the

1090
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: Saints and the Bucks. There are two things that stand

1091
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: out when the Saints play the Buccaneers. One, the Saints

1092
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: are not scared, like we all have these teams where

1093
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: they're in high school the college where people say, oh,

1094
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: the team is gonna be like, oh no, we'll play him.

1095
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: We'll play him anywhere. We'll play him in the parking lot,

1096
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where we play them. We'll beat them

1097
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: because that's who they are. The Saints don't fear them. Secondly,

1098
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: because they don't fear them, they line up and they

1099
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: play him man to man and they take away the

1100
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: layups that Tom Brady has customarily been given. And because

1101
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: the league fears Tom Brady, they sit back, which is

1102
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: what he wants you to do so he can take

1103
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: the Diacon dunk. The Saints are like, oh no, no, no, no, no, Tom,

1104
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: you can have to make some throws today. And by

1105
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: playing press and tight, it also gives them an opportunity

1106
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: to hit him, and then once he gets hit, then

1107
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: it changes the clock. Then he's looking around trying to

1108
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: get it out of there. That everything you want to

1109
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: complete down the field, you're gonna have to complete it

1110
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: down and outside. We're not We're going to close the

1111
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: middle and we're gonna close under nath. Everything that you're

1112
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 1: comfortable with, we're taking away. All your completions are gonna

1113
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: be perimeter whole shots down the field. You make those

1114
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: the most difficult throws to make. You can make those

1115
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: tip of the cap. Good luck and that and that

1116
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: is it. And the Saints aren't afraid to do that.

1117
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: And it used to be the way the Jets and

1118
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: Rex Run and those guys used to play them when

1119
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: they have success against the Pages when Tom Brady was there.

1120
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: But most people are afraid to close the middle of

1121
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: the field and make him throw the ball outside the

1122
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: numbers because he doesn't. His numbers dropped dramatically when he's

1123
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: forced to throw it outside when the receivers are running

1124
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: away from him as opposed to running two. All right,

1125
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: so we always hear the phrase. I've used it a

1126
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: bunch of my quarterback coaches when I was growing up,

1127
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: always used it. You can't go broke taking a profit, right,

1128
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: So the whole summary is if they give you easy,

1129
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: completion is taken. So I've got an analogy. I was

1130
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: gonna share with you a lot one of our final

1131
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: things here before we get out of here. So Easter

1132
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: at our house. Um as as we've gone grown into adults,

1133
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm one of four kids when we've got zillion grandkids.

1134
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: So my parents would do a big Easter egg hunt

1135
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: when the kids were lit, all the grandkids were little,

1136
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: and so what they would do though, think about it

1137
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: like this, but Easter eggs, say you have a quarter

1138
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: or a or a fifty cents or a dollar in

1139
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: each Easter egg, right, it's a little plastic Easter eggs.

1140
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: You put them all over the backyard. Well, she'd take

1141
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: one egg and she could put twenty dollars in there,

1142
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: right in one of them, and she would throw that

1143
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: in the pool sink all the way down to the

1144
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: bottom of the pool. But there's only one. So what

1145
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: you see is you'd see four or five people dive

1146
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: into the pool to go chase the twenty dollar bill.

1147
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: Smart move is to go pick up all the dollars

1148
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: in the fifty cents all over the thing, and then

1149
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you end up with even more

1150
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: money than they got out of the pool. And oh,

1151
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: by the way, three or four people got nothing because

1152
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: they went in the pool for the twenty and got nothing.

1153
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: So that's like, to me, is like playing quarterback. Don't

1154
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: jump in the pool that they're they're they're daring you

1155
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: to jump in the pool. Don't jump in the pool.

1156
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: Just go pick up the little eggs all around the yard.

1157
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: That's all you gotta do. That's all you have to do.

1158
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: And it's really really simple, DJ, It's really simple. And

1159
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you wonder why don't

1160
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't understand why people don't understand, Like you can

1161
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: take these at bat things, you can move it around

1162
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: the yard if they want to play that way. Just

1163
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: just be patient, just do it. DJ. You asked me

1164
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: like sometimes about the opening, like how my team, how

1165
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: we end up winning? We end up winning because I

1166
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: parked the safeties in the parking lot. And I parked

1167
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: the safeties in the parking lot. There's a limit where

1168
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: you can your safeties can't be deeper at fifteen. I

1169
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: tell them, I put your toes at fifteen, like make

1170
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: the thought, because what you're doing is I want them,

1171
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: I want the five star quarterbacks where they're competing, I

1172
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: want them to have to play against their ego, because

1173
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: the ego says I want to show everybody put down

1174
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: the feeling. I'm just nope, not against us. You can

1175
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: take the checkdowns. And so it's the same thing. And

1176
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: this goes all the way back when I was playing

1177
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: with the Raiders. Willie Shaw, David Shaw's dad, was defensive coordinator.

1178
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: He said, there's a reason why Dan Marino and Brett

1179
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: Farve and all these guys make this money. They make

1180
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars at a time, which is that because

1181
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: they got these big arms. What we wanna do is,

1182
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: let's see how many times we can make them check

1183
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: it down, he said, because the reason they get those

1184
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: big checks is because they want to show off that arm.

1185
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: And the more you can make him check it down,

1186
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: the more they get frustrated. And at some point they

1187
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: can be like, I got a little rip, screw it.

1188
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: You just need to catch it because he's gonna hit

1189
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: you in the chest. Can you catch it? And that's

1190
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: what these teams are doing. The pat Mahomes and some

1191
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: of the other quarterbacks. They're putting the lid on the defense,

1192
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: on putting the lid on top of the coverage, and

1193
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: they're saying, you're not going through a deep how are

1194
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: you going to adjust? And you're right. It is cyclical.

1195
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: And so that's why the mac Jones and some of

1196
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: these other guys of the world are having success now

1197
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: because everyone is playing that umbrella coverage. They haven't tightened

1198
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: it up yet. And if you to me, sometimes arm

1199
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: strength is a curse and a lack of an arm

1200
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: can be a blessing, because I guarantee there's probably times

1201
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: during Drew Breeses career he would have liked to have

1202
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: been more aggressive and pushed it down the field, but like,

1203
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,479
Speaker 1: I can't really do that. So this is the way

1204
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: I have to play. And you're gifting me the way

1205
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: you're playing that mary's perfectly with the way I want

1206
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: to play. I'm just gonna I'm gonna death by a

1207
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: million paper cut you every week, and and and and

1208
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: that's what you're doing. And so it is funny something

1209
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: that we should keep an eye on that trend. Because

1210
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: you talked about Brandon Staley and some guys are talking

1211
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 1: about we don't care how many rushing yards you get

1212
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: because those don't translate into points. Because at some point

1213
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: even last night DJ, the way the Chiefs were running

1214
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: still only got twenty points. And so Patrick grahams, Oh,

1215
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: that's great, because now what happens when you run to

1216
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: a point when you hit the fifteen yard line. Oh well,

1217
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: now it's a tighter field. So now I can be

1218
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: more creative in my coverage in the red zone. You're

1219
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: not gonna run past me. I got the in line

1220
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: who are super safeties, so now I can do all

1221
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: the other stuff. So yeah, it is. It is really

1222
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: fun to watch how teams are doing it, and it's

1223
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: really frustrating to watch how the Chiefs and some of

1224
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: these other teams are responding. Yep, no doubt. Well it's

1225
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: been It's something to keep an eye on for sure.

1226
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: All Right, that's gonna do it for us today. But

1227
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: let me do one last check on Twitter to make

1228
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 1: sure that we don't have like a Deshaun Watson trade

1229
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: or something that makes this whole podcast irrelevant. Uh No,

1230
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: how about Clay Helton closing in on the Georgia Southern job.

1231
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: Good for him? Um, Packers released Jalen Smith. Okay, I

1232
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: think we're I think we're okay, quick skin of the headlines.

1233
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: I think we're. Hey, I hope he knows some option football.

1234
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: I played against Georgia Southern three times and that was

1235
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: all that they did. And I don't think Clay Helton

1236
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: option guy. DJ. I'm I'm gonna tell you this. It

1237
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: won't be for long down during the States for if

1238
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any option because I don't want to

1239
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: date myself. But I'm from the Russell era. I mean

1240
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: used to Weston play and it was all triple option.

1241
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: Everyone to come out of played against the other Adrian Peterson.

1242
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: Remember the other Adrian. Yeah, Adrian Peterson played in Chicago. Yeah. Um,

1243
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: you might want to text him and give him some

1244
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: of your favorite option speed, option plays or whatever. I

1245
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: can still hear it. I can still hear it. By

1246
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: the way, the one side, if you ever go to

1247
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: a game down there, the whole, the whole freaking game Georgia.

1248
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: So there, George. There, last last story. Real quick. I

1249
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: know we've got a long last story. I think I've

1250
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: told you this before we go down there. We beat

1251
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: we had beat. It was rapt We beat Wake, right,

1252
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: So we beat Wake. I scored the touchdown and wins

1253
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: the game in overtime. High of the highest, right, I

1254
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: think we're number We might have been number one or

1255
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: number two in the nation in one double A. So

1256
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: then we go play Georgia Southern, who's always as next

1257
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: week we call we call. It was like eighteen. It

1258
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: was like eighteen. G load pass and camera. So anyway,

1259
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: so reverse out, g load option right. It's a reverse

1260
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: out coming outline. Then you gotta take three steps from

1261
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: the pools. Yeah and so, and then it's the throwback right,

1262
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: So it's going you're on option right. And then we've

1263
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: got the receiver here who's kind of stock blocking, and

1264
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: then he's gonna safeties are coming out, so he's gonna

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Speaker 1: take off and run to the flag on the app

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Speaker 1: So I gotta plant my foot and throw all the

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Speaker 1: way across this way. Not not not my not my

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Speaker 1: not my game, buddy. So I hit my back foot,

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Speaker 1: I go, I go to launch this thing right, and

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Speaker 1: he's clear. He's probably ten fifteen yards in the clear.

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Speaker 1: It I mean back it was it just it just

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Speaker 1: floated and fluttered like a punt and just hung up

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Speaker 1: there and they picked it off and it was literally

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Speaker 1: like it was the omen you know, a game earlier.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're like, yeah this thing, this ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: go well. And they ran the ball down our throats

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Speaker 1: with that stinking option. I mean it was wide open too, Buck.

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Speaker 1: I am just saying, I hopefully Hilton understands that he

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Speaker 1: needs to have some option plays in the book, because,

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Speaker 1: uh my guy Brian Van Gorder coach down there, he

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Speaker 1: come down here from Notre Dame and he didn't go well,

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Speaker 1: no stinking or no stinking option down here. They don't

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Speaker 1: like that. We're like, yeah, how's that working? Well, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: See what what Clay Clay might be calling you to

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Speaker 1: get some ideas. I'll run the ball down there. You

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Speaker 1: gonna have to have to run option. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Run the option. Oh man, all right, this is a

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Speaker 1: long one today. This was fun. I appreciate everybody hanging

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Speaker 1: with us. Hope you enjoyed it. We had fun chatting

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Speaker 1: all this stuff up again. Uh give you guys a

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Speaker 1: heads up Thursday, come watch the game with us Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: It's Jets, it's Colt. It's not a marketing match up,

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Speaker 1: but we have a lot of fun. All you gotta

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Speaker 1: do is go to twitch dot tv slash move the sticks.

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Speaker 1: See Bucky myself, Joey Taylor, um and uh you get

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Speaker 1: a chance. That's just if you've watched the Manning casts.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing this for two years now and so

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Speaker 1: it's the same type of a thing. We have a

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Speaker 1: lot fun. So Twitch dot tv slash moved the Sticks.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Tonna Bille for all his work producing today. We'll

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Speaker 1: catch you next time. Right here, I'll move the sticks.