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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Mike Glenn. Mike is a Pentagon

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Speaker 1: reporter for the Washington Times. Hi, Mike's so nice to

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Speaker 1: have you on.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Carol, good to see you finally.

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Speaker 1: I've known your work for so long and I would

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Speaker 1: love to know more about you. So how did you

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Speaker 1: become a Pentagon reporter? How does one do that?

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Speaker 2: Well? I backed into this. This is actually my third career.

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Speaker 2: I was in the Army for a long time, quite

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Speaker 2: a long time, and that was you know, I enlisted

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Speaker 2: right after high school, went into the Army, went to

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Speaker 2: Germany during the height of the Cold War. Regular was

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Speaker 2: president at the time. There were two Germany's, the Wall

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Speaker 2: was up and all that kind of stuff. Height of

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Speaker 2: the Cold War, terrorists and everything. I got out, went

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Speaker 2: to college and then came back in the Army as

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Speaker 2: an officer because they went to RTC comment Intimation and

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Speaker 2: I ended up spaying, staying another four or five years

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Speaker 2: in After that, went to the Gulf War. I was

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Speaker 2: a platoon leader and a tank unit. I saw a

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Speaker 2: little bit of action enough to maybe say I'm here, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of and then I after

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Speaker 2: I got out, I got sort of crossways for one

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Speaker 2: of my commanders and I ended up getting out. Well,

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Speaker 2: come on tell us, Okay, So all our after the war,

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Speaker 2: we all came back, uh to our base which is

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Speaker 2: in El Paso, and we had a new commander because

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Speaker 2: we had changed a command. After that new commander came in,

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Speaker 2: hadn't didn't deploy over there. Uh, and all his lieutenants

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Speaker 2: did you know, Uh, he was a colonel. A bunch

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Speaker 2: of lieutenants had you know, combat decorations, combat experience, and

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Speaker 2: he started we were getting ready after we got back.

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Speaker 2: Pretty soon after we got back, we had out in

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Speaker 2: the field for another training environment training exercise in California

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Speaker 2: at the National Training Center out near Barstow in the desert.

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Speaker 1: I've driven through Barstow on the way to Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot not to see there.

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Speaker 1: There's a decent Mexican restaurant.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah there is there is, Yeah, but it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's great. It's a great training environment for a tank

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Speaker 2: unit like we were. So it's a great place to train.

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Speaker 2: But we're coming pretty soon after coming back from combat,

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Speaker 2: so we weren't that jazz to go? And he may.

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Speaker 2: He was talking about how we were fighting because we're

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Speaker 2: going to be fighting against the opposition for us is

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Speaker 2: the OP four, who were Americans who sort of emulate

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Speaker 2: sort of Russian tactics. They said, we're finally going to

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Speaker 2: you know, meet like a foe worthy of our steel

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Speaker 2: or some hit like that. Pardon my friend, please, And

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Speaker 2: I'd said, but I was a lieutenant, he was a colonel.

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Speaker 2: I said, well, the ones one of these guys here

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Speaker 2: in California aren't shooting real bullet status like the ones

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Speaker 2: in Iraq war.

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Speaker 1: He didn't like that.

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Speaker 2: He didn't like that, and it just like went down

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Speaker 2: from there. So basically, the operations officer in the rage

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Speaker 2: in my batton, my squadron is a tank like cavalry.

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Speaker 2: He said, you need to start thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Getting out of here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I you know, I said, you know, what

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Speaker 2: do you do if you have a If you have

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Speaker 2: a uh a liberal arts degree and experience is basically

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Speaker 2: shooting at people, you become a cop. So, uh, I

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Speaker 2: was thinking about.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that's where you were going. I thought

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Speaker 1: you became a writer.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, no, no, no, that's that's later on.

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Speaker 2: So I I looked at Los Angeles lap D and

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Speaker 2: I went out there, took all the tests and they

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Speaker 2: liked me. But my my wife had flown out, which

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Speaker 2: she was going to drive back Calpaca with it and

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Speaker 2: the LAPD, the testing center and all that is in

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Speaker 2: the less fashionable section of Losing Angeles. And my wife said,

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Speaker 2: I'm not living here, you know, forget this place to help, right,

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Speaker 2: So she's so basically she said she wasn't that keen

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Speaker 1: You can't take her to a bad neighborhood and be like,

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Speaker 1: this is.

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Speaker 2: What I said. You know, if I said if I

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Speaker 3: You might have misplayed that a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I said, if I shouldn't have I shouldn't have let

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Speaker 3: this job, I mean we'd be living in Seami Valley

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Speaker 1: I was actually, yeah, I like LA too. I was

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Speaker 1: actually thinking about trying to destroy it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, even though yeah, it's run by places,

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Speaker 2: you know, so like California is arguably America's most beautiful state,

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Speaker 2: but it's run by absolute credns right.

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Speaker 1: Right, Ron DeSantis has a funny line, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure it's his own, but you know how bad it

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Speaker 1: like government? Do you need to be to ruin California?

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Speaker 1: Something as good as California.

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Speaker 2: It's a glorious state. It's a beauty. It's a beautiful state,

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Speaker 2: but just run by cretins anyway, So that didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: So I ended up coming back to I went to

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Speaker 2: high school in Dallas after my im the Navy Brad.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in the Navy. My dad retired in Dallas,

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Speaker 2: I got out of the Army and got a job

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Speaker 2: with a suburban police department in the Dallas area. And

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Speaker 2: it was okay. I was a little bored with speeding

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Speaker 1: Know, because is that why police do it? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's funny, how do you know? But how do you decide.

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Speaker 2: If he was I mean, like I said, so, if

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Speaker 2: maybe three because you can leave it. So anyway, I

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Speaker 2: a jerk, and that was not endearing me to my police.

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Speaker 1: Seeing a little bit of a pattern here with challenging authority, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And the things I liked, I liked kicking indoors,

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Speaker 1: That we didn't like giving traffic tickets.

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Speaker 2: You don't like, giving track was boring, and I was

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Speaker 2: know this like pretty soon after I came back from war.

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Speaker 2: Then she ended up she wasn't happy with the things

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Speaker 1: Kicking kicking indoors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wasn't happy with the running traffic. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: She said she was seems wise actually in neighborhood. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: I said, I've always liked newspapers. I've always been a

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Speaker 2: big fan of newspapers. And I like, I'm interested in

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Speaker 2: you know, current events. And I said, I would had

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Speaker 2: never did that as an undergraduate. I had no experience writing,

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Speaker 2: idea of newspapers. I don't know anybody, never didn't. I

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Speaker 2: She said, whatever, I guess. So I went to grad school, uh,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how to do it any other way.

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Speaker 1: I did the same thing. I also went to grad

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Speaker 1: school for politics. I didn't know how to change careers.

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Speaker 1: That's really no I met.

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Speaker 2: I know some colleagues and they're like second generation journalists.

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Speaker 2: Ads and their moms were all their work, right yeah,

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Speaker 2: I worry. I'm not only the first college graduate in

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Speaker 1: Like wow, so impressive, thank you, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, and now my daughter has multiple degrees, and right.

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Speaker 1: That's what we want. We want the kids to want

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Speaker 1: to improve it. Although does that number go like because

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Speaker 2: I mean, it depends on what you want to do.

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Speaker 1: Not going to I wonder if he's going to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the first of my family to learn the

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Speaker 2: it's like the colleague. You know, my daughter when she

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Speaker 2: I said, I'll drag you out of class your hair

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Speaker 2: about her. You know, I'm very proud that I didn't

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Speaker 2: typical journalists me, how your bank a couple of years

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Speaker 1: Can't be a doctor here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no any idiot to be a lawyer, any

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Speaker 2: you get it, love it.

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Speaker 1: You can't. You can't go to law school if you

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Speaker 2: You know, I read that when you asked that one

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Speaker 2: And it's like, in five years, the technology is just

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll chain in five years and see and

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Speaker 2: Just if you have a job, do it. Don't complain

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Speaker 1: It's all right, small stuff, the grand things.

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Speaker 2: Small stuff is you know, it's better to listen than

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Speaker 1: That's all you know, Do your job. He is Mike Glenn.

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Speaker 1: Check out his work in the Washington Times. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Mike for company, my pleasure.

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