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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew, Hey, what's going on? John?

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Speaker 2: Good to see it because.

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Speaker 3: You Drew good to be back from Indianapolis. A lot

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Speaker 3: of great things happened, and a lot of great things

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Speaker 3: about that happen next week.

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Speaker 4: That is right, and we've got to cover it all

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Speaker 4: here on in the Lab, Presented by Exfinity. Presented by Exfinity,

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Speaker 4: They Get that Right, presented by Sort. Said it sounded

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Speaker 4: weird the first time. I said, yeah, you said it right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's going on. Free agency is coming.

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Speaker 4: And it started sort of very quietly, well it started.

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Speaker 4: It's always going on, but it ramped up a little

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Speaker 4: quietly at the Combine last week backroom Deals.

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Speaker 3: We had Nickosario on to with what you said, Drew.

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Speaker 3: He said, well, you know there's legal tampering with next week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He said, then this is an illegal tampering, which we

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Speaker 3: call the como.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He said that on the air and market I looked

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Speaker 3: at each other, like, did he said that out loud?

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Speaker 2: Their talk? He said it out loud.

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Speaker 3: There's lots of chit There is a lot of chit

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Speaker 3: chat at the Combine, including fighting between Jordan Schultz and

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Speaker 3: Ian Rappaport.

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Speaker 2: So, well, boy, you missed that one. I heard. God dang,

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Speaker 2: I was so mad. I was texting you about It's

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Speaker 2: so max.

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Speaker 3: We walked right by that thing every day. You know

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Speaker 3: exactly where it is, is right there in the corner. And

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Speaker 3: the next day we Mark and I had to drop

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Speaker 3: something off at FedEx before we flew home, all our

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Speaker 3: banners and stuff, and so there were I mean, there

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Speaker 3: had to be a hundred people out there, and I

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Speaker 3: joked on Twitter, I said, yeah, I'm waiting for Ron two.

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Speaker 3: But it was just people wanted a good cup of

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Speaker 2: So weird, so weird.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Hey, man, I'm really pumped about dari A Goomble

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Speaker 4: walle re signing with the Texans. If you missed it,

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Speaker 4: you guys talked about it on Texans All Access on

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Speaker 4: Wednesday night. But if you missed it right before the

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Speaker 4: new league year gets going, uh, Texans lock up a

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Speaker 4: Goomba Wale, one of my favorite players in franchise history.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's his second go round with the team.

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Speaker 4: He was here as a rookie, didn't last very long

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Speaker 4: and seventeen and it didn't get publicized ever. But he

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Speaker 4: actually could impersonate Bill O'Brien, which I thought was funny. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know me, I like impersonating to time or two,

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Speaker 4: and so I respect that. But then he comes back

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Speaker 4: and he's made field goals for this team, he has

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Speaker 4: gotten loose on fake punts for this team. He's made

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Speaker 4: one of the best hits on special teams ever, that

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Speaker 4: against the Bengals in Cincinnati. I mean he ran, oh

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Speaker 4: a dude legally legally, yeah, legally. So I'm just a

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Speaker 4: fan of Darre's. Really cool story. Good to see him.

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Speaker 4: So let's raise a glass to Daria gumbilee, raise a Medello.

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Speaker 4: Congrats to him on sticking around. Happy spring break to you, Dari.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk a little bit about what you saw at

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Speaker 4: the combine and how it's really more about how much

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Speaker 4: has the combine jiggled prospects that you think the Texans

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Speaker 4: will or won't now have a shot at. Meaning you

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Speaker 4: went into the combine and you thought this, but after

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Speaker 4: of some of the names that we've seen the Texans

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Speaker 4: being in the mixed war, and in reality they might

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Speaker 4: might be going after. How much did the combine affect

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Speaker 4: what maybe the notions were going into Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: I don't, honestly, I don't think much.

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Speaker 3: I know, for me, there weren't that many guys that

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm trying to do this for a long time,

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Speaker 3: Nick even Warre from South Carolina safety was tested and

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Speaker 3: But I remember, as I was kind of had a

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Speaker 3: I thought that he's going to be in competition with

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Speaker 3: Malachi Starks if he tests well. Then he tested like

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Speaker 3: the spot. I have even worry, like even worry, like

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Speaker 3: I haven't solidified at Drew. But you know what I

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Speaker 3: say that, And yet the other night I spent like

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Speaker 4: Actually he's one of you think he's one of the

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Speaker 3: Yeah and Stark and Starks Yeah yeah, okay. In fact

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Speaker 3: that was my first glance, you know, putting it all

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Speaker 3: a long time. But that's kind of where I have

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Speaker 3: it right now. But I was actually just watching Malki

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Speaker 3: Now he's not the physical specimen that even worry is.

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Speaker 2: But youre talking about a football.

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Speaker 3: Player, and therein lies, Okay, what what separates a guy

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Speaker 2: Something bigger? Even worries faster. He's bigger.

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Speaker 3: But Starks is probably a better overall player for three years,

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Speaker 2: So it's like, how do you balance all that out?

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that kind of happens any for

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Speaker 3: his three cone time was not tremendous. I won't absolutely

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Speaker 4: Like, what, Well, didn't everybody say, yeah, he's great if

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Speaker 3: And he's been a really good receiver ever since.

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Speaker 2: And it was like, you can't get really focused on

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Speaker 3: But if you look at all the testing and it's like, boy,

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Speaker 3: he's not good at any of this testing. This doesn't

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Speaker 3: if everything else sort of checks out, then you can

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Speaker 2: You never know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, you know, the wonderlick test if

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Speaker 2: Wonder lick, yeah, rest in peace walking wonder lick yeah,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean you take those tests of like

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Speaker 2: Of course you're gonna not score great.

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Speaker 3: But either way, point being, if you look at it holistically,

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Speaker 4: Well, so this week the combine or post combine mock

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Speaker 4: because the numbers each week for each time you do

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Speaker 4: And the most mocked player to the Houston Texans in

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Speaker 4: this third mock draft roundup was Alabama's Tyler Booker. But

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Speaker 4: reading everything and hearing what you've said about him, it

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Speaker 4: doesn't sound like he's gonna be there at twenty five.

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Speaker 4: far and away the most mocked player to the Texans.

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Speaker 4: Nine excuse me wide receiver was a very popular choice.

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Speaker 4: A Mecha Buca from Ohose State. He was the second

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Speaker 4: He got a lot of oats this time. Matthew Golden

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Speaker 4: and fairly reputable folks yep, but lots of o linemen

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Speaker 4: but those were the three most mocked positions to the Texans.

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Speaker 2: A couple of things.

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Speaker 3: Number one, the the offensive lineman or interior offensive lineman

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Speaker 3: Last year, Graham Barton, who went to the Buccaneers, played

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Speaker 3: I think that might end up happening for great Zabel

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Speaker 2: It's kind of supply and demand.

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Speaker 4: But some might say some might call that strategy where

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Speaker 4: if Booker's gone and you do draft an offensive lineman

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Speaker 3: Now I'm not I'll say Booker's off the board, say

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Speaker 2: The third guy on that board is I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: Eight Ratlis probably, so now you gotta check his injury history.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about these two.

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Speaker 2: In particular that I want. I want to get.

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Speaker 3: Now they might be gone by twenty five, they might

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Speaker 2: I try and match the value.

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Speaker 3: sixth round center, right because it's such a dearth of

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Speaker 3: those offensive linemen. If that makes I hope that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: But it kind of goes to your point. I'm not

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Speaker 2: I said that.

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Speaker 4: Some people might say that's overdrafting, but that's overdrafted.

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Speaker 2: Really no bottle it in that.

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Speaker 3: But but my point is I think there are there

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Speaker 3: To me, there are a couple, realistically, a couple of

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Speaker 3: I just got to have an offensive lineman. See, that's

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Speaker 3: what I thought the Texans did with Dwayne Brown back

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Speaker 2: To get a DWAYN Brown later, so we got to

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Speaker 3: So you know that happens as well and you end

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Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing that up, Drouzy, making me.

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Speaker 4: If I'm wrong, and I'm I'm trying to do this

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Speaker 2: I believe that is correct. Yes, yes, I don't think

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Speaker 4: Bush was a president. Not to get political, I'm just yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dwayne taught me a lot. Dwayne's one of my favorites. Man.

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Speaker 3: I wish you would get a chance to see him,

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Speaker 4: The Texans will pick twenty fifth overall. Now some of

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Speaker 2: They're moving back. I think moving back draft night right now.

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Speaker 2: You were quick. I mean you didn't even.

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Speaker 4: Here's why, because there's a group of similar, similarly rated

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Speaker 4: let's move back. Let's add some capital, right, that's what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when I when I look at this

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Speaker 2: Be there now.

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be tough for Booker to get there,

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Speaker 2: I look at all those and I think, man, there's possible.

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Speaker 3: We've seen him do that a lot over the years.

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Speaker 3: We did that for Nico Collins, did that for John Metchi,

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Speaker 2: Hey, maybe there's a tackle there that they like.

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Speaker 2: You know, can we move out of here? Now?

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Speaker 3: You got it takes two to tango. So there's got

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Speaker 2: No one's complaining.

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Speaker 3: But I think when they made the digs, they made

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Speaker 3: the trade with Minnesota or from twenty five to forty three,

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Speaker 3: I think they thought the same thing that from twenty

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Speaker 3: to twenty five down about forty five, that there were

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Speaker 3: all players in that pod that felt really good about

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Speaker 3: that one was gonna be there at twenty five, one

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Speaker 3: was gonna be there at forty three. But I think

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Speaker 3: in the end there were a couple players, so I

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Speaker 3: kind of had their eyes on and they couldn't get

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Speaker 3: back up like they thought they could or wanted to,

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Speaker 3: and they quote quote unquote settled for Kamara ends up

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Speaker 3: being that he should have been one of the candidates

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Speaker 3: for Defensive Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 2: So it worked out.

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Speaker 3: The philosophy ends up working out, But I think there

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Speaker 3: are hard of hearts they maybe thought maybe we can

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Speaker 3: get back up there either way if they move out

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Speaker 3: to twenty five. I think the lesson learned from that

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Speaker 3: is we're not gonna go all the way to forty

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Speaker 3: three like we'll go to We'll go to thirty one

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Speaker 3: to thirty two back in the first round, we'll go

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Speaker 3: to the top of the second round, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 3: But we're not gonna We're not gonna go eighteen spots.

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Speaker 3: Even though I do think it's a similar draft in

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Speaker 3: that guys at twenty through fifty.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can.

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Speaker 3: Slot them in a lot of different ways. It's just

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Speaker 3: that what the priorities seemingly are going in. I think

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Speaker 3: it fits where the Texas are at twenty five really

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Speaker 3: really well.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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Speaker 4: All right, Regency's coming up, So public service announcement Unsolicited

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Speaker 4: Advice from an old Man next week on Tuesday and

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Speaker 4: Wednesday when the Texans have not signed nineteen ninety eight

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Speaker 4: Randy Moss Yes, and nineteen eighty seven Jerry Rice Yes,

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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty seven Reggie White Yes.

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Speaker 2: Chill right, thank you say that again. Please just chill

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Speaker 2: chill out.

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Speaker 4: This team has been very active on the very opening

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Speaker 4: days of free agency, but they've also sniped in the

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Speaker 4: weeks afterwards. In the days afterwards and the months afterwards,

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Speaker 4: had gotten very very productive guys later on in freegency.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be all right, Okay, just for lacky.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Last year, day one, they had agreed to terms with

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Speaker 3: the ziz al shire An Eco Autry and fully fought

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Speaker 3: a CASSI. I mean that was day one and people

483
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Speaker 3: were still freaking out. Now, I think more fans know

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Speaker 3: drew that, Okay, we don't have as much money that

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Speaker 3: we did last year. I think last year was kind

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Speaker 3: of one of those years where it's like we all

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Speaker 3: as fans, thought about, well, we got all this money,

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Speaker 3: spend it, because that's kind of what you do when

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Speaker 3: you have all that money.

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Speaker 2: Freaking spend it. Uh. And they did. But it didn't

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Speaker 2: happen overnight. It didn't happen on day one. Yep. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, when was it?

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Speaker 3: When was this stefon Digg's trade Later April third, yep,

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Speaker 3: so weeks after it.

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Speaker 2: So the act things will happen. It's gonna be okay.

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Speaker 2: It has to has to do in a team building process.

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Speaker 2: We're all good.

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Speaker 4: Also, right before you and I sat down to record this,

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Speaker 4: saw an awesome clip Randy Macho Man Savage from probably

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Speaker 4: late seventies, early eighties, doing this interview about his baseball career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and I both love baseball. Yep.

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Speaker 4: I'm coaching some baseball. I love the Macho Man too,

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Speaker 4: so oh here, let's give him a cream of the crop.

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Speaker 4: Cream of the crop. Thank you, Macho Man. We used

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Speaker 4: that during the season quite a bit. But anyways, go

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Speaker 4: check that out. And it gives me this opportunity to

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Speaker 4: put up a picture of me two pictures really with

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Speaker 4: the Macho Man. Put those up now. This was in

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Speaker 4: two thousand and one. Had a good time. I used

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Speaker 4: to be a producer at a TV station that doesn't

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Speaker 4: exist anymore. It's called t XCN was called t X

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Speaker 4: in Texas cable news, and I was a sports producer

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Speaker 4: and we would have a sports talk show every single

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Speaker 4: night of Monday through Friday, and I'd book Cowboys to

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Speaker 4: come on because they were local. We'd get Mark Vanderer

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Speaker 4: came on via satellite a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: He was awesome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, young Mark Vandermer. We had Kenny Hand was a

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Speaker 4: regular on it of course was awesome. We also would

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Speaker 4: just get randos like Kirby Puckett showed up one time

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Speaker 4: and he was great Baseball Hall of Fame or Rest

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Speaker 4: in Peace. But the Macho Man came on and he

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Speaker 4: was awesome. I mean, just an hour of awesomeness. And

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Speaker 4: then he took this picture afterwards. The first one is

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Speaker 4: of us shaking hands. But I said, mauch Man, we

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Speaker 4: put me in a headlock and like for tend's Yeah, yeah, bro,

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Speaker 4: it was awesome. He was great.

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Speaker 3: So I saw a picture. I was like, man, it

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Speaker 3: just warm my heart. Man, that was that was really cool.

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Speaker 4: So anytime I can post a picture of me with

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Speaker 4: the Macho Man selfishly, I'm going to do it.

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Speaker 2: Dude, you do it and put it in this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right.

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Speaker 4: Wey, it's good being with you, John, it's great being

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Speaker 4: with you listener, viewer. So the three of us, we

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Speaker 4: can't do this without you. Thanks so much for checking

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Speaker 4: us out. We'll be back again next week and it's

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Speaker 4: going to be a doozy in the Lab presented by

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Speaker 4: Exfinity