1 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: Good evenings were Old and Welcome to the No Donks 2 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four NBA Free Agency Special. It's just after 3 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: five thirty pm Eastern here on Sunday night, June thirtieth, 4 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. I'm j skis here in the Classic 5 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Factory and alongside me as always task. 6 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: Melllus podcast listeners, this is for you. 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: Next to him, it's the Bearded one with Topsha hot 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Boy track Curbye, Hey Hey, making the magic happen, a 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: brand new intro super producer JD. There he is, and 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: our guy Esh is also in the factory helping us 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: keep track of everything. What's up, Besh? I, I'll do it. 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: We're great. Hey. You see something? You say something? Okay, 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: it's like a like an unattended bag in an airport. 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: Something say something? Yeahsh will will be helping us out 15 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: here as we build up to the six o'clock Eastern 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: launch of the NBA Free Agency that's when teams can 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: begin negotiating at six pm Eastern tonight. They haven't spoken yet. No, no, 18 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: there's been plenty of news, plenty of news here. In 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: the lead up. Lebron intends to opt out of his 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: fifty one point four million dollar player option for next season, 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: though he's expected to return to LA on a new deal. 22 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: The Warriors are preparing to lose Clay Thompson. We'll get 23 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: into that, but let's start with Paul George. Paul George 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: a hot name today. He has opted out of the 25 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: final year of his contract with the Clippers, and he 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: will become an unrestricted free agent. He plans to set 27 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: up meetings with the Philadelphia seventy six Ers, the Orlando Magic, 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: and the Clippers tonight and I guess tomorrow, maybe a 29 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: little Monday meeting. Who's getting the Monday meeting? Who's sloppy? Seconds? Third? 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: I mean, okay, So we've heard some reports that perhaps 31 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: Paul George is gonna be inking a deal with the 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: Philadelphia seventy six ers. So maybe the Clippers is the 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: last one to let him down, say goodbye one last Yeah, 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 3: maybe see it on. 35 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: The East Coast. My family can move there. Yeah, we 36 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: did have a bleacher reports Chris Haynes tweeting about an 37 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: hour ago that there's growing optimism the seventy six ers 38 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: will land Paul George in free agency. You like the 39 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: fit tasks if that does happen and Paul George does 40 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: leave La you like him manage. 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: It sure feels like Paul George is leaving. Do I 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: have inside information? 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 4: Oh? 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: No, no, I do not. But after Kawhi Leonard got 45 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: that extension in January, nothing has happened for Paul George, 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: who was his No, it was co pilot there. It 47 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: was supposed to be a one too, he didn't get one. 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: So it sure feels like, especially you know, this is 49 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: the fun time to just be skeptical of everything. On 50 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: his podcast recently, he gave lots of love to Pala Boncaro, 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 2: lots of it, okay, And so he will be meeting, yeah, 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: with Philly for sure, en in Orlando, And I guess 53 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: he'll be meeting with Steve Bomber. I mean I guess. 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 4: I don't know. 55 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: Maybe they'll talk about toilets and the new into It dome, 56 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: who knows. But he's not going. He's not going. 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: I never got a chance to flush one. Now you 58 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: don't think he's going back because of the hang up 59 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: on this fourth year, right, they offered Kawi the extension 60 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: for three years, seems like they were sort of presenting 61 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: Paul George's similar sort of framework, But he's like, I 62 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: want that fourth year. Give me that fourth year, which 63 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: he can sign with another team with cap space like Philadelphia, 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: a four year, two hundred and twelve million dollars contract 65 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: that could happen at six o'clock here, definitely could, right. 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then that's what it's about. It's about the 67 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: dollar dollar bills. 68 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: I think. 69 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 2: So with Paul George at thirty four, he's going to 70 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: get four years from somebody. And it sure feels like 71 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: Philly right now. But it feels like if you look 72 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: back at the Indie days, the okay see days, and 73 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: now the Clipper days, he's basically told all three teams 74 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: at some point I'm retiring here. 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: Yes he has. 76 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: I went literally had you know, during this time when 77 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: you're just refreshing everything on Twitter, I saw these quotes 78 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: when he was in Indie. My goal is to win 79 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: one here. I never want to leave Indy. He demanded 80 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: a trade A couple months later, Okay, see, I'm here 81 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: to stay. We can bring this thing home. 82 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 83 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: Obviously that did not happen. He wanted to go to 84 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: the LA which then he said, this is where my 85 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: heart is. I want to retire a Clipper. 86 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 4: So he's leading. 87 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: Okay, you believe this. Paul George is going to go 88 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: to Philly and let's talk about the fit a little bit. 89 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: Do you like it. I mean, he'd be a third option, 90 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: an expensive third option, but an expensive third option. 91 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: But the great thing with Paul George is sometimes he 92 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: can be a first option for you. 93 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes he can be a second option for you. 94 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 3: And when Embiid is cooking, when Max he is cooking, 95 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: he can be the third option for you. That's the 96 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: awesome thing about Paul George is he's such a plug 97 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: and play guy. He can play off the ball, he 98 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: can play with the ball, he shoots threes, he plays defense. 99 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: If he's not necessarily the lockdown guy he was way 100 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,559 Speaker 3: back in the indie days, he's still able to guard 101 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,119 Speaker 3: his position on both sides. 102 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, of. 103 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: Course he fits. And he's the biggest free agent out there. 104 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: There aren't a ton of like high priced, notable, elite 105 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: role players, you know, like casep is the guy that 106 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: everybody is chasing after from role player perspective, But there 107 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 3: aren't a lot of those guys for the Sixers to 108 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 3: be able to split up their whatever sixty million dollars 109 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 3: in cap, so for them, it might be a better 110 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: move actually to spend the. 111 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: Majority of it on Paul George. Bring back the good. 112 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: Guys that you have on your team, like b Toom 113 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: probably will be coming back. I assume Maltain will probably 114 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 3: come back as well. I think that's smarter than trying 115 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: to split it amongst these role players who aren't really 116 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 3: going to raise your ceiling. Because the Knicks got better, 117 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: but I think that this makes the seventy six Ers 118 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: at least on par with the Knicks. 119 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: Still behind the Celtics though, and a lot of seventy 120 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: six Ers fans are like, anybody's better than Tobias Harris. Well, yes, 121 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: and he is still good, but yeah, I think he's 122 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: dropped off. Paul George has a little bit defensively, Maybe 123 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: he can sort of find that again and lock in 124 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: on that end. But yeah, they have sixty one point 125 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: three million dollars in cap space Philadelphia. Does You've got 126 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: the Pistons as one of these teams with a lot 127 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: of cap space as well, they're over fifty million, and 128 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: then the Magic have basically cleared the perfect number, really 129 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: fifty million to maybe make a play at Paul George 130 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: sort of sort of cooler even in the conversation. I 131 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: don't I don't think they'll land him. I think he 132 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: would ultimately pick Philly. But you know, that's good for 133 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: this team that obviously not too long ago was one 134 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: of the worst in the league, and they're building on 135 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: something here. It's good to be used for leverage. 136 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I remember when people, Yeah, I'm saying the 137 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: same about the Suns getting a meeting with Lamarus Aldridge. 138 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: True. True, Look, it's good to get a meeting, yeah, 139 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: because like you're taking at least somewhat seriously, even considering 140 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: I will waste I will use some of my time, 141 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: my precious time, to come and meet with you, or 142 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: you'll come meet with me. Yeah. 143 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: I guess the positive for an Orlando, or like in 144 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: Indiana when we talked about Pascal Siakam, is that they're 145 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: part of the conversation. That's what it is about. And 146 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: that's why Paul George jumped into this situation here to 147 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: try and get as much money as possible. I mean, 148 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: this is what it's all about for him. 149 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: So this last big payday yeah really. 150 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's going to keep embiid there for several years. 151 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: This is I think this sort of locks in Embid 152 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: into Philadelphia for more years just just because Miami just signed. 153 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 4: He ain't going there. 154 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 2: Uh so they're gonna this isn't the best tube man 155 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: that they've had since Jimmy Butler has been several years. 156 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: So this is a good shot for them. 157 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, So you think if Paul George goes to Philly, 158 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: let's say, signs at six or whatever in the coming days, 159 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: you think of the team in bad one Paul George 160 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: two ahead of Maxi two, A two B between those 161 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: two guys obviously took a jump, could continue to get back. 162 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: They're they're co They're Coco pilots. I mean they're they're like, 163 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 2: how guys can you have. 164 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: In your brother is a pilot? How many seats are 165 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: up there? 166 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: We got there? 167 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: Okay, there's only two two? 168 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 5: Well to the old school was two plus a navigator. Right, 169 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 5: that's got a thing anymore. 170 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: You don't exactly taking everybody's jobs. 171 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: This is an old this is an old school airplane 172 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: ashes coming into the You've got something to say on 173 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: what you got from chums. 174 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 6: Golden State is waving Chris Paul okay, and he would 175 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 6: become a free agent he is he's waived. 176 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, so they don't want to guarantee that money Nope, 177 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: obviously and find the trade for it. Couldn't find a 178 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: trade for yeah, at thirty mil. 179 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: And we learned today that you know, from reputible sources 180 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: that there was potentially a Paul George to the Warriors deal. 181 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: The framework was there, and I believe it was going 182 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: to be for like a Wiggins or Chris Paul. Obviously 183 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: that contract maybe one of the young guys, a Kaminga 184 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: or a Moody, maybe even a first round pick from 185 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: the Warriors to the Clips for Paul George. And that 186 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: was shot down not happening. 187 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: Why because the Warriors don't want to give up all 188 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 3: that stuff for Paul George. 189 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: I think it was more from the other side of things. 190 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure the Clippers were all that eager to help. 191 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: Obviously a state rifle there though you could lose him 192 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: for it. Absolutely nothing is the is the issue. But 193 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: that was being kicked around, Yeah, and the opt out 194 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: was when it was. 195 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: Over basically right for uh the Warriors. So yeah, I 196 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: guess we also, you know, we're gonna get into it 197 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: little bit here. The Warriors are saying that they're going 198 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: to probably be losing out on Klay Thompson. He's probably 199 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: going to go elsewhere because they wanted to address other 200 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 3: things before coming to Clays free agency. One of those 201 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 3: things seemed like it was going to be Paul George. 202 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: But we heard earlier today that after he opted out 203 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 3: of his contract that they were going to be bowing 204 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: out basically of the Paul George sweepstakes. 205 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: The Warriors aren't going to be good next year. They're 206 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: gonna have. 207 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 3: Chris Paul or I mean Steph Curry. They're gonna have 208 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: Draymond Green. I'll still be there kaminga third leading spot, 209 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: probably John Those guys are like year four and year two. Yeah, 210 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 3: this might be another play in appearance for a Golden State. 211 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 2: They wanted to get better via trade, that's for sure. 212 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: They pushed back this. Chris Paul have to approve it 213 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: by two days and the day is up now. And 214 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: they talked about Andrew Wiggins playing for Canada this summer, 215 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: and they talked about it. I assume with his agent 216 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 2: they couldn't demand that he doesn't play with Canada, but 217 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: they recommended it. And he's not so that was definitely 218 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: a part. But maybe Wiggans can go now. I don't 219 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: know I have this trade foul. Go ahead, Wigs. 220 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: Because there was concern. Obviously, you go to training camp, 221 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: you could get injured that obviously, Tanks, you're already pretty 222 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: rough trade value as it is, we don't want you 223 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: doing that. Obviously a lot of Canadian basketball fans are 224 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: pretty upset with this, but hey, you can't do that. 225 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, it Tray brings up a good point. It's 226 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: it's Steph. It's now Wiggans and Draymond Green as your 227 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: top three, and you know, beyond that, because we don't 228 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: know what's going on with Clay, Beyond that, it's a 229 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: lot of role players. Obviously Kuminga has some some a 230 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: lot of potential, but beyond that, you know, it's Gary 231 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: Payton the second and guys like that. 232 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into the Clay of it all. I mean, 233 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: it's like it feels like there's like eight reports that 234 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: he's gone, Like it's absolutely done that he is going 235 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: to be leaving. We don't know where the Lakers have 236 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: been thrown out there. It could be the Sixers as 237 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: like maybe a backup if Paul George doesn't come to fruition. Obviously, 238 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: the Magic have been a team he's been sort of 239 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: linked to for a while. We went over and they 240 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: got the cap space they could make a move. Sort 241 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: of weird is the sort of ending like this? I 242 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: sort of hated if him being honest, I'm not really 243 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: of course, not a Warriors fan, but it's like part 244 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: of that dynasty and it's like feels like it's over 245 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: and he will be going somewhere because maybe he just 246 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: feels disrespected the role obviously was coming off the bench 247 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: at times. Not that he was good either, I mean, 248 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: he struggled, But what do you think about the Klay 249 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: Thompson leaving the Warriors here? 250 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: It seems like it's gonna be about respect, quite honestly, 251 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 3: because it seemed like last season Clay was pretty upset 252 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: with the way things were going. He got benched at 253 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: one point, came into the starting lineup again at one point, 254 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 3: just wasn't. 255 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: Quite the same player he was. 256 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: They paid a whole bunch of guys before they got 257 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: to Klay Thompson, Jordan Poole, Andrew Wiggins, Draymond Green, all 258 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: those guys got contracts before Clay did. And now you 259 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: look at the landscape of where he's gonna go, probably 260 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 3: not gonna be Philadelphia since they're going to spend the 261 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 3: majority of their money on Paul George. The rumors have 262 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: been the Lakers and the Dallas Mavericks have been I 263 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: think the hottest ones today. And he's not going to 264 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: be getting much more than the two for forty eight 265 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 3: that he turned down before the season, right Like, if 266 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: he goes to the Lakers, he's playing for thirteen million dollars. 267 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, he could be taking a significant fifty pay cut 268 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: basically on what the Warriors were going to offer him. 269 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: So then at that point, it's not even about dollars, 270 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: it's about I was one of the legends here and 271 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: he didn't treat me like a legend. But Clay has 272 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 3: not been the same player as he was, and he 273 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 3: can probably more easily be the player he needs to 274 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: be at this point in his career somewhere away from 275 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 3: Golden State. 276 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: And the rumor was that he received an offer last 277 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: summer for an extension for two for forty eight, but 278 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: I guess that wasn't enough because I guess he wanted 279 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: a long term just to sort of match up with others, 280 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: what others were getting in Draymond and Steph Curry. I 281 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: always think, does he want to play in a situation 282 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: like Orlando where he would be perfect? They need a 283 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: guy at the guard spot who can fire. But he 284 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: loves to be on a boat every day. You know, 285 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: Orlando is kind of landlocked. I mean, when I watched yesterday, 286 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: was Klay Thompson on his boat. Oh man, what a 287 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: beautiful day. He just talks about how beautiful the day is, 288 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 2: like over and over. I thought that was from yesterday. 289 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: I's all you can do it. Yeah, it's either the 290 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: fisher biting or man, it's. 291 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 4: Nice out there. 292 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: That's really nice. And then he shows the other side. 293 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: Oh look at that island. Yeah, and didn't look that great. 294 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: I gotta be honest. But anyways, I thought that was 295 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: from yesterday. I thought he was kind of saying goodbye 296 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 2: to Golden State. But going through social media, looks like 297 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: it was an oldie. I don't know why I need 298 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: to report that, but the report is Klay Thompson. It 299 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: sure feels like he's leaving. 300 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 301 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: But as I said, those names just now that tray 302 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: was going through as well. It's Drey it's Steph. 303 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: There's not a. 304 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 2: Lot of talent unless they go get somebody else. And 305 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: so that's the scary part for the Warriors. 306 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: Exactly Baby exactly being kicked around quite a bit, like 307 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: something that the Warriors could try and do at least 308 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: to maybe get him. I mean, it's like, if you 309 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: still believe this is the Steff and he's still in 310 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: his prime and you have a chance if you have him, 311 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: but you need talent around him, It's like it starts 312 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: to get down. Okay, well you can't get Paul jard Sure, 313 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: that's not happening, So who's left. I mean, it's like 314 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: brandon Ingram. Maybe probably have to send out a bunch 315 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: of draft capital to do that, so you mortgage your future. 316 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: Zach Levine. You might get a pickback for Zach Levin, 317 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: but obviously you know his contract and how he would fit. 318 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: I think Zack Levine would actually make more sense if 319 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: they had to pick between those two guys, just how 320 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: they currently are constructed. But yeah, it's weird, Clay, It's 321 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: just gonna be weird. I'm serious, that's gonna be a 322 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: weird jersey swap to me him in a Lakers uniform, 323 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: him in a magic uniform. Who a Maverick's uniform? That 324 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: would be strange. 325 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: Well, the second best guy often plays for a different 326 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: team at the end of a dynasty. 327 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: Yeah you know, Tony Parker did. Tim Duncan didn't. 328 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Michael Jordan never played for a different team 329 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: besides the Bulls. But how many teams this gotta pipen 330 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: played for? 331 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: But it really is like a bad bad look. It's 332 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: all about money. It's literally all about money. 333 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: The Warriors are kind of cheaping out on pay and play, 334 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: and they are cheaping out on using their future picks 335 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: and all these young guys they've traded because they want 336 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: to protect their future going forward. But like, look at 337 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: a team like the Lakers, they don't care. The Bucks 338 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: have no future right now. So the Warriors have basically 339 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: they tried the two timelines thing. It obviously didn't work. 340 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: Bob Myers decided to quit because it didn't work, And 341 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: now Mike Dunleavy is kind of having to clean up 342 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: the mess, and the mess is breaking up the dynasty. 343 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and how do they get back anywhere? 344 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: It's tough. I feel like Clay is gonna like take 345 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: a significant pay decrease and go play for the Lakers. 346 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: You know, obviously family ties a little bit there. There's 347 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: a role for him, and it would be'd be weird that, like, 348 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: hey man, we offered you way more money than this, 349 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: but you are very you felt disrespected, I guess, and 350 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: want an opportunity and prove us wrong and stuff like that. 351 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: I might if I had to pick right now. I 352 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: do think he's gonna end up in a Lakers uniform, 353 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: which will be weird but pretty fun. When Clay catches 354 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: fire against the Warriors in some game that will be 355 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: watching on TNT, I'm sure playing game, well, yeah, eventually that, yes, 356 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: for sure, these teams will be battling anything else there 357 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: on Clay. Do you have a preference where you'd like 358 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: to see him go? What Dallas, Orlando, LA, some other team? 359 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, be A part of me is hey just laid 360 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: out with Golden State, although part of me is is Orlando. 361 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: They just needed somebody in the postseason to really hit shots, 362 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: were really and be comfortable taking them and have everything 363 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: lined up for that guy. And yes, I know in 364 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: the playing game he was zero for ten and everybody 365 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: ridicules him for being that, but he'll have that sort 366 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: of same feeling that he had when the good days 367 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: were in Golden State, where you're relied on with Orlando. 368 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: He just wants to be loved man. Yeah. 369 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of like, well, I. 370 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Mean different circumstances, but like when Ray Allen left Boston 371 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: for Miami and there was like, well, it's like felt 372 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: like there was like they were mad at exactly. Yeah, 373 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: and then they're mad at him for a decade. Yeah, 374 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: I know they still might be mad at him. So 375 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: I don't know there's something there, and I think Warriors 376 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: fans are probably conflicted a little bit. Obviously, he's a legend. 377 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: You don't win a lot of these titles without him, 378 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: You're not even in half of them without them, and 379 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: so there's that. But then it's like, well, come on, man, 380 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: well you're gonna especially if it goes to like the 381 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: Lakers or something like that, or even the Mavericks. It's 382 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: like a team that's like really good or should be good. 383 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: It'd be a bad, it'd be tough, it'd be tough. 384 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: I'd be conflicted. If I was Warrior sent. 385 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: I'd like to see him on okay See or Dallas, 386 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: I think, But at that point he's got to be 387 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: willing to come off the bench, and that's gonna be 388 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 3: a question. Yeah, And it's similar to a very similar 389 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 3: to Ray Allen, I think leaving the Celtics because when 390 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: he went to Miami, he just became like our clutch 391 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: three point shooter, our guy who's waiting in the corner. 392 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: He wasn't a high usage guy like he had been 393 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: for the Celtics and the Bucks and Sonics prior to 394 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: that in his career. So he had to take a 395 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 3: step back. And that's what Klay Thompson is going to 396 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 3: have to do. But couldn't you see him hitting a 397 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: monster shot in Game six four? Ok See, yeah, yeah, 398 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: I'd rather have him play for a competitive team like 399 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: the Mavericks or the Thunder rather than the Lakers or 400 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: the Magic. 401 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: Okay, hey, let's respect that Magic fifth place last year. 402 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: Day they will have a better record than the Lakers. 403 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: I think, let's talking about Lakers. Got anything else about 404 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: Clay because we're getting I don't know about seven minutes 405 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: away from the official start of free agency. If you're 406 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: joining us live on YouTube, hit the like button, subscribe podcast. 407 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: His five star ratings in review. Lakers sort of been 408 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: busy here Like I said, Lebron is opted out, so 409 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: he's eyeing a new deal with them. They also the 410 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: Lakers came to an agreement four year, thirty two million 411 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: dollar deal with Max Christie, so he is going to stay. 412 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: That final year includes a player option. D'Angel Russell says 413 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: he intends to opt in. He's staying with the Lakers. 414 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: Jackson Hayes exercised his two point four million dollar play 415 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: option he'll return to the Lakers, and Cam Reddish exercised 416 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: his two point five million dollar player option to return 417 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: to the Lakers. All these resignings bring the Lakers roster 418 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: to fifteen players, assuming they keep Lebron. So you know, 419 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: they got like their roster. They would need to consolidate 420 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: guys in a trade to open up additional rush spots. 421 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: But anyway, I will add that Lebron reports say hey, 422 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: you know I'm not signing yet, Go get me some help. 423 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: Be it Klay Thompson, Jonas valen Chunis. There was one 424 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: more name I'm forgetting. It was like a third guy 425 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: that was like a possibility. 426 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: What point is Lebron wants Ron saying, hey, maybe James 427 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 3: Harden James Harden Hard It was, but Sean's reporting that 428 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: James Harden signing a two year, seventy million dollar contract 429 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: return to the Clippers. Okay, shout out to Mike Silverman, 430 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: Troy Pain, and Brandon Greer of Equity Sport. 431 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: Shout out to those guys. My least favorite thing about 432 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: free agency. We get the information from one of the newsbreakers, 433 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: and then we got a show love to all. 434 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 3: The agents, Mike, Troy, and Brandon. Thank you, sir, down Yeah, 435 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: but yeah. 436 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: I was. 437 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm surprised to see Jonas Valentunas included in that 438 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: list of players. But the Lakers clearly need a center 439 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: next to Anthony Davis, and Valentiunis is kind of like 440 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 3: the perfect guy. He can play thirty minutes a night 441 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: of center and then in the fourth quarter Anthony Davis 442 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 3: can play center to close out the games. 443 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: I can see that working there. 444 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: But I find it hard to believe that Lebron is 445 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: taking a pay cup for Yonas Valentiunas. 446 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: Right, right? Or what about Clay Yeah? Maybe? 447 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, no offense, but I hard to believe Yonas 448 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: pay cut worthy. 449 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people probably rule their eyes 450 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: at Lebron even considering taking a pay cut, right, that's 451 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: generally not what he's did. I guess he did it 452 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: once way back in the heat days. 453 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: The first year that you mean, it was a different time, 454 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: and it wasn't much of a discount, right it was 455 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: literally and twenty ten it was the money was a 456 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: lot different. But I would think that this would be 457 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: the year that Lebron would do something similar to that, 458 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: just because, I mean, these are your last couple of years. 459 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: Why not benefit your team that you're going to play 460 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: with to go get somebody else. 461 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: But I agree you Hey, you scratch my back, IY 462 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: scratch yours? Yeah, you drafted my damn son. Yeah, all 463 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: part of that. That's pretty cool. Thanks. I'll take a 464 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: little bit of a pay cut if you want to, 465 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: like trying to help the team here and go get 466 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: one of these sort of at least marquees, maybe a stretch, 467 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: but one of the more notable free agents that we 468 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: could possibly bring in. 469 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: I was it, Yeah, and that feels like it was 470 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: part of the deal. Although now that they have signed 471 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: with fifteen guys until Lebron signed, yeah, it would just 472 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: be doing it. Who signed somebody as we just mentioned 473 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 2: as a free agent, although deroz And signed in trade. Yeah, 474 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: a sign and trade. 475 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: I think that is a possibility the DD. 476 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: Come into the Lakers. Yeah, there's there's speculation. We're going 477 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: deep here with John Hollinger reported that if he decides 478 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: to take fifteen off, the Lakers could trade Ruey, Christian Wood, Shaffino, 479 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: Gabe Vincent and a twenty nine first for Jeremy Grant. 480 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 2: H Jeremy Grant is it's an interesting situation what they 481 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 2: got in Portland going on, because they traded. They traded 482 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 2: Malcolm Brogden and it looked like they're trying to kind 483 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: of get younger, but they still have DeAndre and so 484 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 2: it feels like that is also a possibility. And it 485 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: also would be a fit as a guy who balls hard, 486 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: and it would be a third option. 487 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 4: So it feels like something's happening with the Lakers. That's all. 488 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 4: That's all. 489 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: We don't know at this point what's happening, but sure 490 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 2: it does feel like they're not just going to run 491 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: out the same. I'm looking forward to get run. 492 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: My son, that's all we were missing. 493 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: Pulled this up, but at one point, Lebron said that 494 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 3: his son could start over a lot of player's true. 495 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: I did say that that's a good. 496 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 4: Oo. 497 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: Chris Hanes are reporting, going back to Paul George, there's 498 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 2: growing optimism that the Sixers will land, Paul George, growing optimism. 499 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: This is the time for these words, I know, for 500 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: these fun words, growing optimism. 501 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: But he tweeted that again, it was like an hour on. 502 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: That was an hour ago. 503 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 2: Man, Oh you're right, three fifty nine. It looked like 504 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: I guess I'm getting the Eastern time on Twitter. 505 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: So I guess it was to fix the timing on 506 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: your computer. 507 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: I thought he was Mountain time. Yeah, anyway, it doesn't matter. 508 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: We had I'll say, uh, hey for or four for 509 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: thirty two for Max Christie is too much a lot? 510 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: Have you seen him play? 511 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? 512 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: Literally, have you seen him play? Like it's rare? Nine hundred? 513 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: Did he play one thousand minutes? I don't think so. 514 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 3: He's a three indeed, man played fourteen hundred and fifty 515 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 3: six minutes in his career. 516 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: His career, he played two years, two seasons. 517 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 6: Wow. 518 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, it is a lot, even though eight million 519 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: is not a lot in the NBA for a second 520 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: round pick, and for what he's done, it. 521 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: Is, well, you need some of these contracts to trade. 522 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: That's why maybe yeah, well maybe so. 523 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: I do think De'angelo Russell is still in the mix 524 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: to be traded. And I really sawn like Yovan Buja's article, 525 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: it feels to me like the Lakers are kind of 526 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 3: laying the groundwork of saying, hey, we might not be 527 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: able to make a big move this summer. We just 528 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: might not be able to do it. Wait till the 529 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: trade deadline. And that's exactly what they did at the 530 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 3: trade deadline last year. This Lakers team, if they're really 531 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: trying to win a title, actually has to do stuff 532 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 3: because it's not just going to work with Lebron and eighty. 533 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: The rest of the players around him aren't as good. 534 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 4: Right, right, right right. 535 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: Other reported signings here as we tick to basically six o'clock, 536 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: the official start of free agency, I'll just like rip 537 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: through these because he's all happened over the last what 538 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. So Obi toppin four years, sixty million 539 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: dollar contract to stay with the Pacers, Patrick Williams intends 540 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: to sign a five year, ninety million dollars deal to 541 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: return to the Bulls. Rashaun Holmes declining his twelve point 542 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: eight million dollar player option in order to sign a 543 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: new two year, about twenty six million dollar deal with 544 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: the Wizards. Only two hundred and fifty thousand of that 545 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: thirteen point three million is guaranteed for the twenty five 546 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: twenty sixth season. Royce O'Neil intends to sign a four year, 547 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: forty four million dollar deal to return to the Suns. 548 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: Bull Bull he's going to return to the sun so 549 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: on a one year deal. And Alex lenn intends to 550 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: sign a one year, three point three million dollar deal 551 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: to return to the Kings. And then there's a lot 552 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: of other like declinings and pickups and stuff like that. 553 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: But I'll leave it there for a second. I wanted 554 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on Patrick Williams five years ninety 555 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: looks like, ah, it looks like a lot. Now. What's 556 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: crazy at where we're at with cap space and stuff 557 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: like that. It's going to be like twelve percent of 558 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: your team's cap space as it moves on. But still, 559 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: this is a guy that's been injured, hasn't proven a 560 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: whole lot. What do you think the Bulls signing him 561 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: to five. 562 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 3: For ninety as long as he doesn't get knocked out 563 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: of the air by Mitchell Robinson. 564 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: He has been fairly healthy. 565 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: But Patrick Williams is not what you're expecting from a 566 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: fourth overall draft pick. Scottie Barnes is maybe something you 567 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: could be expecting. What was his contract like two hundred 568 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 3: and fIF million from the Raptors. Drafted a year after 569 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 3: in the number four spot. The Bulls are getting their 570 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 3: guy for ninety million, and they're getting about that much 571 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: production as well. Comparatively, Patrick Williams is like a fine 572 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: starting wing. He makes wide open threes, he doesn't take 573 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: any other shots. He can guard his guy one on one. 574 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: Maybe he can make a play every now and then. 575 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 3: But he's super young, and the Bulls have seen a 576 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 3: lot of players go somewhere else and turn into somebody good, 577 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 3: Lowry Markingen most notably. But I'm even like they had 578 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: Luke Cornett that I could hardly even get on the 579 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: floor for the Bulls. 580 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: Suddenly he'st playing in the finals for the Celtics. 581 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 6: Speaking of Luke Cornett, he just signed a one year 582 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 6: deal to the returning to the Celtics. 583 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: Celtics, so I was going to ask who is going 584 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: to be the first official sort of signing Cornet is 585 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: it Luke Barnett. 586 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, on the okay, five years is a long time 587 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 7: for Patrick Williams, but he's very, very young, and you know, 588 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 7: if he ever pops it all, that would be awesome 589 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 7: for the Bulls. 590 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: But it kind of feels to me like perhaps the 591 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: Bulls are rebuilding here. According to the Chicago Sun Times, 592 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: it wouldn't be surprising if DeRozan is gone, if Levine 593 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 3: has gone, and Luke's gone by the. 594 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: Start Wow, opening night, Wow, We'll see. 595 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 3: I means is becoming like DeRozan and Levine are probably 596 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: becoming a little bit more interesting for teams right now. 597 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 3: With Paul George going to Philadelphia, Clay Thompson isn't gonna 598 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 3: get paid a whole bunch of money, like they're running 599 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: out of good guys who are available. And DeRozan, for 600 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 3: all of his faults, Zach Levine, for all of his faults, 601 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: they still have been productive players in their career, so 602 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 3: they're gonna sucker somebody in the table. 603 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: Well, and it's sort of like it feels like we're 604 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: gonna be waiting on Paul George, like it has to 605 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: like a lot of these teams, those type of guys 606 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: could be backup plans if you strike out on not 607 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: getting Paul George to sign with your team or whatever. 608 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: Right like, like, okay, now we got to pivot. We 609 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,239 Speaker 1: got all these caps dates, we gotta do something with it. 610 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: Uh So, Yeah, it could be DeRozan or Levin the 611 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: sort of backup plans, but we'll be waiting on podcast 612 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: P to make his decisions. Hopefully doesn't take two of. 613 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like the Clippers know that Paul George 614 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: isn't coming back by signing James harn to that too 615 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: seventy million dollars deal, and as Trey said, Paul George 616 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: is by far the number one. And then you got 617 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 2: guys jumping in like de Rosen Mature feels like, and 618 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: Zach Lavine bull situation is very interesting. To sign Patrick 619 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: Williams the five for ninety him and Vooch, you know, 620 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: making will make sort of in the ballpark of the 621 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: same amount of money. So considering that they made that 622 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 2: trade for Josh Gatty, it looks like, yes, they will 623 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: be retooling. I don't know if they're going to be 624 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: totally totally breaking it down the. 625 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: Rumors task or we might be getting a two year tank. 626 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: It's Chicago two year tank tank. We got the Cooper 627 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 3: flag tank. And then even more importantly, the Bulls want 628 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 3: to bring another. 629 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: Boozer to Chicago. 630 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 3: Run back the Carlos Boozer five jerseys with his son 631 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 3: come on. 632 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 1: And two we do have this from Shaan's too, and 633 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: just like to go back to claim for one second. 634 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: After thirteen iconic seasons together, sources say Clay Thompson is 635 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: departing the Warriors, okay, and the sides will begin to 636 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: work through a sign and trade. There is that as 637 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: an option here. So that's what Sean's is saying right 638 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: now that the Warriors. You know, hey, no hard feelings, man, 639 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: We'll work with you on this and we'll try and 640 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: get potentially something back. So that obviously opens up some possibilities. 641 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: But Clay gone, man. 642 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: But he's also waiting for Paul George. It seems like 643 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, and Paul George, as you said, making 644 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 2: these meetings happen on the Monday, why not make them now? 645 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: No, No, some are happening tonight. Oh it sounds like, 646 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: but Monday was thrown in there. 647 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 4: Monday. 648 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know he's got three teams at least 649 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: to meet with. It is old school man. We feel 650 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: like we don't have we don't have free agency meetings anymore. 651 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: It's been a minute. 652 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: This feels like mellow. I mean, not organizing a bunch 653 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: of meetings in different cities. It's been a while. 654 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: Now is he traveling to the cities? Is he staying 655 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: in La they come in to him. Are we're going 656 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: to the. 657 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: Hand of the podcast studio? 658 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 4: Oh? 659 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: Right there on the podcast if we record this. 660 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: Darryl I was reading an article that said we haven't 661 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: had a Paul podcast since six days ago? 662 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 4: What is he waiting for? 663 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: Saying that, oh god, we don't need we don't need 664 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: it every single day. But was his last one saying 665 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: that Brownie reminds him a little bit of Drew Holiday. 666 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: Maybe it's been longer. Yeah, I don't know, maybe it's 667 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: been longer than that. 668 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: We well, we wait on some more news. 669 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 6: You got something Kevin Love. Kevin Love is going back 670 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 6: to the heat plus deal. 671 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: Okay eight for years, two years, two years years, two years, 672 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: eight So he declined his four million dollar player option 673 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: to sign to sign just another year. 674 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 4: It looks like. 675 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay for the exact same amount, but basically the 676 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: same amount. Yeah, Kevin loves Miami. You got excited when 677 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: I slipped in the Royce O'Neil forty years forty four million. 678 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: It was the opposite of excitement. 679 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: Oh you popped on it. 680 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I popped. Because this Phoenix Suns team is a 681 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: mystery to me. They keep paying these types of guys. 682 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: Royce and Neil obviously is the type of guy they need. 683 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 4: But he is getting older. 684 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: I mean they're running the same back they're running. That 685 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: is what really options to. 686 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: The outside of trading. Of course, Kevin Durant. 687 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 4: Or de Booker. 688 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: They can trade some of the guys that they're paying 689 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: other than the top ones for somebody. Yeah, beyond the 690 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 2: big three. I know it's not they're not juicy names. 691 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: Somebody likes Grace Allen, somebody likes. 692 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 3: Their best Actually, nobody likes him. 693 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: But he can shoot. 694 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: You can shoot. They need a different mentality on the 695 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 2: other end, because that wasna happening this year, and that's 696 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: why Royce O'Neill is there, that's for sure. 697 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: They made their move. Their move was hey new coach. Yeah, yes, hey, Bud, 698 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: come on, save us man. Let's get this going and 699 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: let's try it again. 700 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: Here Royce for four years? Is I know it's it's 701 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: not a ton of money. When we're talking NBA money 702 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: and Matti should be I assume can afford it. They're 703 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: going to be grabbing minimum guys assume I guess, I 704 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: guess it's official. I mean it's Durant Beale, Booker, Nurkic, Allen, 705 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: Royce O'Neil, and there little David Roddy A bull Bowl 706 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: appears to be coming back. If I heard that, yeah, apparently, 707 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: and that's it. 708 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: Shocks pumped. 709 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 4: That's it. 710 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 3: Okay, same team drafted who Ryan Dunn defense guy? And 711 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: ohso Igadaro the trace Jackson Davis. 712 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: Of this draft. 713 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 4: So I'm a saying, oh, that's true. 714 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 3: The only reason I can see why Royce O'Neil gets 715 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: four years, forty four million is so that they can 716 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 3: trade it in the future because he gets He's not 717 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 3: like a playoff rotation guy. He'll probably be replaced as 718 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 3: a defensive guy by Ryan Dunn, I would imagine. But 719 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 3: an eleven million dollar contract is something that you can 720 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 3: get something back for. 721 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: At some point. Yeah, but all these guys are going 722 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: to play because they don't have a lot. 723 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 4: Of good yeah, exactly. 724 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll play the regular season. I agree. What do 725 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: you got here? 726 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 6: I was going to say, you guys were talking about 727 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 6: Clay trying to figure out what Paul George is going 728 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 6: to do. I see that he's listed his teams that 729 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 6: he wants to take meetings with, and is Thecks, the Lakers, 730 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 6: the Clippers, and the seventy six ers. So maybe he 731 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 6: is trying to see where Paul George is going. Maybe 732 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 6: they can do the team imber. 733 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: Something like, yeah, yeah, he did those names. 734 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 4: He listed those teams. 735 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: So that's that's from Clay. 736 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 6: From WOJ, MAVs, Lakers, Clippers, and seventy six Ers. 737 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: That's Clay. 738 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 4: That's Clay. 739 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right. Also seeing WOJ, these are sort 740 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: of minor moves here. The Magic are declining move Wagner's 741 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: eight million dollar team option. 742 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, they want to sign this this 743 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: what's going on? Musk? 744 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: Your Twitter is broken? 745 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 6: Man? 746 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: You got fake washed? 747 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: No, I didn't get fake washed. Refreshing Woj's uh you 748 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: know a thread whatever? Count Yeah, it's suddenly jumped till 749 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: like June twenty ninth. What's going on here? What's going 750 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: on here? But now I see that Klay Thompson tweet there. 751 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, they Wagner is going to get signed again. 752 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure it feels like, but that is actually happening 753 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: in that he's not getting the same he's not getting 754 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: a contract. Is he declining his his own Magic? 755 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: Were sorry the Magic, We're declining Joe Ingles eleven million 756 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: dollars option. They're they're expecting to have dialogue and probably 757 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: come to a deal and then uh yeah, the move Wagner. 758 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: They also declined his eight million dollars team option, which 759 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: is that old damn tweet that just popped up for 760 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: me for some reason. And they're gonna work on a 761 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: new deal. So that's what's going on in Orlanto in 762 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: case you were wondering. But yeah, otherwise you're telling. 763 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 3: Me there's nepotism going on in Orlando. Yes, sounds like 764 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 3: you just hinted nepotism. Yes, I did. 765 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: Is actually pretty good tho. 766 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good backup big absolutely they should try. 767 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: And his brother as one of the stars on the team. 768 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's like yeah, good energy guy, yeah, good 769 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 3: trash talker. 770 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, he's good to draft if you have 771 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 2: the uh the flagrant fountain, flagrant foul counts or whatever 772 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: weird thing you got in the playoffs. Oh yea, yeah, 773 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: yeah that we did because he likes to fight. 774 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: Okay, how about this? 775 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 3: Chris Haynes reported that the Bulls proposed Andrew Wiggins and 776 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 3: Chris Paul for Zach Lavine. Golden State said no and 777 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: waived Chris Paul. 778 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: Damn. They didn't want Zach. They didn't want Zach Lavine. 779 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 4: Hmm. 780 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: They love Clay, they love club but yeah, but he 781 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: ain't coming back. 782 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 4: Man, You never know. You never know. 783 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: You never know come back, you never know. But wow, Okay, 784 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: so it was out there and it was proposed. What 785 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: about the pick? Was the pick attached like get rid 786 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: of that's what they're saying, Warriors. 787 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: The Warriors would say, yeah, then the Bulls would have 788 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins for three years because he's got three years 789 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 2: of his contract left, so they wouldn't be retooling or tanking. 790 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: I guess that's sort of would have wigs. Yeah, yeah, 791 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: Wiggins and Giddy. That's a built in take. I guess 792 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: he's Canadian Australian tank job right there. 793 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 4: It's good, I guess. 794 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. But Levine only has two years left. You're gonna 795 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 2: have WIGGI for more two plus an option, but Zach 796 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: makes more. Anyways, if we're getting into the minutia, as 797 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: we do, as you've got to, you got to, you 798 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 2: have to. You guys want to break down the new 799 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: salary cap. No, I don't get it. I don't. 800 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: I didn't want to ask you because you said Chris 801 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: Haynes had that last one. Yeah, obviously it's Wojn Schaum's one, two, 802 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: whatever order you want to put them in as your 803 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: go to Twitter accounts for breaking news, especially when it 804 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: comes to free agency. Who's three, four to five? Who 805 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: fills out your top five? Like? Who are your like 806 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: must fall accounts? So Chris Hanes got to be The 807 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: mixed draft starts at three, is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 808 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: Mark Stein's in the mix. Mark in the mix. They 809 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: call him Mark Steyed is a good one. Especially I 810 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: do not subscribe to the substack, so I need all 811 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: those tweets. I need him to be aggregated. 812 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: Can I give you just a touch of mark Stein? 813 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 4: Juicy? Juicy? 814 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: Because as we talked about some disliking the fact that 815 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 2: everybody here, you read something about a player signing. Quite 816 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 2: often it's the agent who was mentioned. Yeah, of course, 817 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 2: Well I like this juice from Mark Stein because this 818 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 2: is d Derek Jones Jr. Was leaving his longtime agent 819 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: Aaron Turner a couple days ago, and he'll be represented 820 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 2: by Clutch. But the NBA requires fifteen days before signing 821 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 2: with another rep, so Derek Jones Junior won't have a 822 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 2: rep for the next twelve days. Thanks Mark Stein. That's 823 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 2: the most interesting agent news I've ever got. 824 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: So I can't go from I can't immediately change representation now. 825 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,439 Speaker 2: It takes two weeks, some fifteen days, half a month, 826 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 2: so I'm surprised. I guess Eric Jones Junior realized, Hey, 827 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 2: Dallas wants me back. Why aren't you eron Turner getting 828 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 2: me more money? Seems like it came down to the 829 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 2: wire here and he said, no way, Rich Paul get 830 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 2: me more money, which I guess probably will happen proper. 831 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: Eric led, Yeah, I mean though the Derek Jones Jr. 832 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: Of it all wasn't there like a tweet now, I 833 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: can't remember the order. I guess it was. The order 834 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: was growing optimism he'll stay with Dallas, And then I 835 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: felt like twelve years later, twelve hours later, Yeah, growing optimism. 836 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: He might be leaving for you know, obviously a more 837 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: juicy paycheck or something like that. So it changes quickly, yeah, 838 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,720 Speaker 1: very quickly. Here as we have now hit the official 839 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: start of a free agency. 840 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 4: Sorry I cut you off. I don't know if you've 841 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 4: got to five? 842 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: Did you get to oh yea yea yeah, you go 843 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: on your board. 844 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 3: We humps champs uh Haines sine. Oh yeah, wow, it's tough. 845 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: One is tough. You know who I'm gonna throw in there, 846 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: respect Jake Fisher Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a big 847 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: slot man, the King. 848 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 2: Sure. 849 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's a big old saucy pulled pork sandwich. 850 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: You know why he's gonna get right because when he 851 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: drops an article on Yaho too, it's like it's not 852 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: one thing, No, that's not one little nugget. It's it's 853 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,439 Speaker 1: literally twenty nuggets and fifty nuggets is all the slop 854 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: in the world. You're right, It's like, Okay, this team, 855 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: I'll give you this, I'll give you this about this team, 856 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: give you this about this guy. It's a fifty piece 857 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: nugget turned into a sandwich. Yeah, covered in chicken sandwich. Yeah, 858 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 1: but they are. I just say they're individual nuggets. Oh yeah, 859 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: that's true. Not one beat has anyone ever done. Has 860 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: anyone ever put nuggets on like a neck? I'm sure 861 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: people laugh. I've never seen it was actually not that 862 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: for the first thing. The New Taco ball man Brian Windhorst, 863 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: of course, we love your. 864 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 3: Your slop, oh, Wendy, Yeah, he's I feel like he's 865 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 3: more of a trade deadline slopper from Yeah. 866 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. Is 867 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: there any other one? I think? 868 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 2: I think Jake Fisher gave us one that you had 869 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 2: to throw back the fish a couple of days ago. 870 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: Release. 871 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 2: I forget what it was about. 872 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 3: It was an it was like Donovan kling It or 873 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 3: something like that. 874 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: He had something about the Charlotte Hornets. I feel like, Oh, 875 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: the funniest one was when he aware when he tweeted 876 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: the wrong guy and the driver, he said, fuck I 877 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: mad or something like that. That's why it's top five. 878 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: One of the like specific like region guys like Michael 879 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: Scuttle or John Gimberg. 880 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 3: Here he said, yes, today, you gotta you gotta take 881 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 3: a chance on the regional guys because they got total 882 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 3: understand especially for like smaller deals like for instance, here's 883 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 3: Sean Cunningham, who I don't know, but the name sources 884 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 3: confirmed Sacramento Kings are pursuing a trade for Brandan Ingram 885 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 3: Brandon Ingram. I just saw Michael Scotto. 886 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: Michael Scotto actually said. 887 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 2: Something very similar as I reported today earlier on Hoops. Hey, 888 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 2: uh Cunningham, that was mine. 889 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: He's a he is a Sacramento guy. I think, yeah, 890 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 1: I know, I'm pretty serious. 891 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 2: Are looking to trade Ben Simmons. According to Mike Scotto, listen, 892 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 2: I'm a Johnny holly Man. I've got him in the 893 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 2: old chat. 894 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: You have a personal chet. 895 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 2: No, I didn't, I didn't know no one. 896 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: You wanted to talk about the Sellary cap. 897 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 2: I actually I said it. I didn't want to say that. 898 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 2: The the the computer program that we all use. I 899 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 2: don't know why I don't want to say it. 900 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 4: It's called slack. 901 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 2: But I did want to say this from John Hollinger 902 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 2: because Hollinger. 903 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: Didn't really peel him back the curtain. 904 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want a curtain because Hollinger did say I 905 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 2: just wanted to correct what I read from John Hollander. 906 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 2: Just that just didn't follow through on the read. Because Lebron, 907 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 2: according to you know, according to this as I said, 908 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 2: he will be willing to take a fifty million dollars 909 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 2: car if he if he is, if he is, they 910 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,479 Speaker 2: could trade it him for excuse me, they could trade 911 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 2: Ruyacha Mura, Christian Wood. Schaffino gave e Vincent and a 912 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine pick for Jeremy Grant. But then they 913 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 2: resigned Max christ Christy at or near the minimum. But 914 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 2: they've already signed Max Christy to four for thirty two. 915 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 2: So maybe maybe that's maybe that idea for Jeremy Grant. 916 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: Hold on, let me d John Twitter. 917 00:40:59,080 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 2: I don't Twitter. 918 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: I buzzed around this damn place. It's got one of us. 919 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: I killed one already live on the air. I played 920 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: it cool. I didn't even make a big scene about it. 921 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: But there's another one. Yeah, I got it. I came, 922 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, uh is there anything else? From Shaan's 923 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: woj Haynes, John Gambodoro, Michael Scotto. It's quiet, it's quiet, 924 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: right on, Paul George. The problem. 925 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 4: This is great. 926 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 2: Slack is great. 927 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,720 Speaker 4: I don't need I don't need Twitter. 928 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 2: This is fantastic. 929 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: You should show love to obviously a lot of the 930 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: athletic guys too, Like you're you're getting your rockets news 931 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: from Kelly Eco Lakers. You know, it goes on and 932 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: on and on. We got Will Giliary with the Pelicans, 933 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: stuff like that. You gotta follow all these people. You 934 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: gotta stay on top of it. I had a good 935 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 1: read of Will Guillory today. He was talking about the 936 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: de Jonte Murray trade. Thought he made some good points. 937 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: Gonna get that before we do. We got to take 938 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: a break as well. But I want to ask you. 939 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 1: You know, we're obviously waiting on Paul George, We're waiting 940 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: on some of the bigger names. Is there an underrated 941 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 1: free agent that you think could be a difference maker 942 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: or someone to watch as we move forward here? As 943 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: we've started now the official free agency. 944 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 3: A guy that I have mild interest in for the 945 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 3: Chicago Bulls is Jalen Smith. 946 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: Oh, Jalo Smith. 947 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good blot of talk, Dan Cucutts, Yeah, 948 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,919 Speaker 3: Jalen Smith of the Indiana Pacers. He was the tenth 949 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 3: overall picking the twenty twenty draft. He had a better 950 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 3: season playing for Indiana this year's decent last season as well. 951 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 3: That's a pretty good situation for putting up numbers. You 952 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,240 Speaker 3: just run, you get open. I'm Tyre's Halliburton. 953 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 2: We'll find you. 954 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 3: I think that's probably what happened. But he's still only 955 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 3: twenty four years old. Who knows. The Bulls need some athleticism, 956 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 3: They need some big guys. So I would take a 957 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,879 Speaker 3: chance with him as a guy coming off the bench. 958 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 2: Yep, that's going Tyas Jones jumps out to me. Just 959 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 2: to be that guy who brings up the ball in 960 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 2: a playoff game. He could be what the Wolves were 961 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 2: hoping they'd get from Monte Morris. Monty Morris also a 962 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 2: free agent people are talking about out there to jump around. 963 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 2: We just mentioned Chris all leaving Golden State. Someone's gonna 964 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 2: sign him. I don't think he's retiring by any means. 965 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 2: He's gonna sign him to be there, be their backup 966 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 2: guard number one and to just be in the locker 967 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 2: room to help things out. 968 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 6: What about Chris Paul to San Antonio, Yeah, think about that, 969 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 6: Like they always talk about being the point guard leadership 970 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 6: obviously the young team, Chris Paul being with Wimby kind 971 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 6: a parent up there, not you know, not like the 972 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 6: point guard of future anything by him any means obviously, 973 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 6: But if he wants to. 974 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 2: Give up on winning, then he'd go he's not gonna win. 975 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but he's yeah, he's not gonna 976 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 6: win anyway. I don't think I don't think he's going 977 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 6: anywhere and he's gonna get it. 978 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: I'm just happy you said it. 979 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 2: Man, he's cursed. But like you could go to a 980 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 2: good team like the Denver Nuggets apparently want Vassilia Meetic 981 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 2: from the Charlotte Hornets to be their backup guard because 982 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 2: they just traded away Reggie Jackson. They want Michich who's 983 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 2: solid for Okay, see I'm then traded to Charlotte. 984 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: When he got an opportunity and then the season he 985 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: was putting up some stats. 986 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's who they're looking at. I mean, Chris 987 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 2: Paul could be their backup guard as well. 988 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,399 Speaker 1: Gonna need a guard after if they lose Contavious called 989 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: wop here, which is a huge blow obviously to their 990 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: chances to try and get back to a title. 991 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 2: I do like the Ridge ball contracted he got Knavis. 992 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,919 Speaker 2: It seemed like a lot of money way back when Yeah, 993 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,839 Speaker 2: after winning a championship with the Lakers, but he paid off. 994 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: Tys jones Y is a Wizards point guard. In case 995 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: you didn't know, he had a career year which is 996 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: wild twelve seven and three didn't drop in efficiency despite starting, 997 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: because that was like, Okay, maybe this guy is like 998 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 1: really just a perennial backup, but maybe he is moving forward, 999 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,399 Speaker 1: but for his efficiency to go up across the board. 1000 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 1: Did you get the fruit lift? Nope? And then I 1001 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: came into your cares double there's two of them, No 1002 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: wonder they feel like they're everywhere. What's going on? JD? 1003 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,879 Speaker 1: You got fruit lying around? You got a fruit lying 1004 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: around somewhere? 1005 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 5: Yes, I have a lot of fruit lying around. 1006 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 2: Have you met my family their slabs? 1007 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? I know, I know. 1008 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 2: We didn't get a report on your wound on your face? 1009 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 4: JD. Fresh, where is it? 1010 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1011 00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: Oh wow? 1012 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,320 Speaker 2: It tacked by my own dog. 1013 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: No, yeah, she was okay, bamn. 1014 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 5: Boxers, man, They're called boxers for a reason. I punch 1015 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:11,959 Speaker 5: in the face every once in a while. 1016 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: Jesus all right, Aaron Gordon style? 1017 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah that was Christmas, Yeah, like playing Christmas 1018 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 3: Night and then dog modeed. 1019 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: I heard it showed up Justice Santa, then Doug Guts Spooks. 1020 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I still look like maybe dogs don't 1021 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: like Santa anyway. Tys Jones I think could be a 1022 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,359 Speaker 1: Spurs fit as well. I mean, if you do want 1023 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: just sort of like a guy that never turns the 1024 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: ball over. He has a seven point three assist to 1025 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: turnover ratio, which is like the best by far for 1026 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: anyone that's played in a lot of games. And the Wizards, 1027 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: believe it or not, were actually they were better when 1028 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 1: he was out there running the offense. That shouldn't be 1029 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: a surprise because again, his field goal percentage went up, 1030 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: his three point percentage went up, his effective field goal percentage, 1031 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,879 Speaker 1: they all went up despite starting and playing more minutes. 1032 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive. So yeah, I think the magic possibility. 1033 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,799 Speaker 1: Maybe the Pelicans, depending on what they do, Spurs could 1034 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: be a fit. Other guys who with his brother right 1035 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: right right, we talked about Derek Jones Junior. I mean 1036 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: he's maybe an underrated free agent to watch Chris Dunn 1037 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,720 Speaker 1: throw him in the mix. There possibility drum in some people. 1038 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 1: If you need like the big to stop up some 1039 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: minutes and uh, Haywood high Smith. Well, I think I 1040 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: thought I saw a rumor before we went live. Maybe 1041 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: the Jazz were showing interest in him, I can't remember, 1042 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: or maybe the Thunder I can't remember, but he's obviously 1043 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: maybe an underrated free agent as well. Any news anything, 1044 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,280 Speaker 1: big Dogs. 1045 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 6: The only thing I see over here is the Jazz 1046 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 6: are planning to wave omer jertzivin. 1047 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: Oh that yurt he used to play for the Heat 1048 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: He did, Yeah, wasn't he? Did? He wear number seventy seven? 1049 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah, respect I like that. All right, 1050 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break here, and when we come back, 1051 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,919 Speaker 1: we can talk about the Pelicans Hawks trade, and maybe 1052 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: we can talk about the lowry market and trade rumors 1053 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 1: and any other news. But let's take a quick break. 1054 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: You're coming to Vegas. I am for Summer League. 1055 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 6: Yes, a first time in Vegas, My first time in Vegas. 1056 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: Wow, you're gonna be a bamboo boy. Yeah, that means 1057 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna come to the pool with us. 1058 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, well definitely got I got the invite to be 1059 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 6: a bamboo boy. 1060 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 4: I'm going to be a bamboo boy. 1061 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. I assume you'll be at the live show. I 1062 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,280 Speaker 1: will be at the live show, right, that is correct. 1063 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: July twelfth, level up MGM Grand four pm. We're counter 1064 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: programming to Brownie's debut. Well it's a little I think 1065 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: he comes on a little bit after if he If 1066 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 1: he plays, I will play. But anyway, oh there it 1067 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:30,879 Speaker 1: is good work. 1068 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 4: G D and Ash. 1069 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: Did I hear right? You're gonna be wearing a suit 1070 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: for that? Maybe? 1071 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. 1072 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: He's a little toasty out there. A little toasty, I 1073 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,320 Speaker 1: mean the fabrics. Yeah, a light weave. 1074 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1075 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the trade that happened 1076 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: on Friday night. You guys did an emergency podcast. The 1077 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: Pelicans added to Jonte Murray to their back court h 1078 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,439 Speaker 1: through a trade with the Hawks. There the pelsent Larry Nance, 1079 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,280 Speaker 1: Junior Dice and Daniel's EJ. Liddell plus two first round picks, 1080 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: a twenty five selection by way of the Lakers, and 1081 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: a twenty seven selection which is the least favorable from 1082 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: either Milwaukee or New Orleans own to atl for the 1083 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,320 Speaker 1: mustard Man, Jonte Murray a task. You were just surprised 1084 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: me on that e mergency pod. You actually you were 1085 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: calling it basically a win win. You liked it from 1086 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: the Pelican side of things. Yeah, and then the Hawks 1087 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: side of things, you thought it wasn't that bad a 1088 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: return them obviously making a decision, we're gonna we got 1089 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,439 Speaker 1: to trade one of these guys, be it Tray Younger 1090 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: to John Tay Murray. They may not be done trading. Yeah, 1091 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,360 Speaker 1: and it's possibility still, but yeah, have you changed your 1092 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: opinion on that at all? But or still like it 1093 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: for both sides here? Yeah. 1094 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 2: People definitely got angry at me and said, come on, 1095 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 2: I'm a Hawks fan. That sucks. We want more than 1096 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 2: that for John Timurray. But I was looking at it 1097 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 2: from the mindset of the front office. You'd want to 1098 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 2: go basically and tear it all down. Is that the 1099 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 2: idea and try and get better through the draft in 1100 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 2: the coming years, or do you want to try and 1101 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,719 Speaker 2: do what you did a few years ago, try and 1102 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,320 Speaker 2: rely on Trey Young and get you to listen, it 1103 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 2: was like a wonderful Cinderella effect where they got to 1104 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,760 Speaker 2: the conference finals. 1105 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 4: And when you're going and relying on. 1106 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 2: Trey it's very difficult to win in the NBA, that 1107 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 2: is for sure. You don't really win if you're relying 1108 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 2: on a small guard as you're guarded. To me, it 1109 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,239 Speaker 2: reminds me of Damian Lillard in Portland. They got to 1110 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 2: a conference finals, and to me, I think that was 1111 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 2: the option for Atlanta, and I think I would be 1112 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 2: fine with that. What they did in twenty twenty one. 1113 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't have to be the exact same team. 1114 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 4: But basically it was pretty similar. 1115 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 2: They had bugged them by damage just like they do now, 1116 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 2: the Clink Capello, just like they do now. They had 1117 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,879 Speaker 2: Dean Johnder who got hurt, just like they do now. 1118 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 2: Obviously John Collins left and now they have Jalen Johnson. 1119 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 2: You know it is going back and will he be 1120 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 2: able to do it again? I just think they have 1121 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 2: they can build around Trey Young. It's got to be 1122 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 2: a different mindset, different team. And I think Deane de 1123 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,799 Speaker 2: Chante Murray and what they got for. 1124 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 4: Him, I think he's just a little bit overrated. 1125 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 2: And Trey Young's the other way. He's a little underrated. 1126 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 2: And so I mean, I don't expect them to be 1127 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 2: much more than a forty five win team, but I 1128 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 2: do expect them to be a different team that plays defense. 1129 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,840 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm a little excited on the vacuum on 1130 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 2: Dyson Daniels. 1131 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm excited. That was a big part of it. I thought, 1132 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 1: in listening to you guys, do that emergency. Okay, It 1133 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,680 Speaker 1: does change your perspective on the trade if you are 1134 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: a Dyson Daniels fan or if you're a believer and 1135 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, because then you're looking at like he's basically 1136 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,719 Speaker 1: the first round pick, and now it's almost three first 1137 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: round picks, Like you can talk yourself into that. But 1138 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 1: I just wonder, like the Hawks rip the band aid off, 1139 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 1: so to speak, right making the decision to trade one 1140 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 1: of their backcourt guys. But do you just amputee the 1141 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,319 Speaker 1: whole damn arm and just trade Tree Young as well 1142 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: and really lean into your number one draft pick Jalen Johnson, 1143 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,800 Speaker 1: Dyson Daniels is Young, Kobe Buffkin and then whatever picks 1144 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,840 Speaker 1: you have coming up, Like that's a hell of a decision. 1145 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,399 Speaker 1: It feels like one even that Atlanta wouldn't make because 1146 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: it's like, who the hell is going to go down 1147 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 1: to the fortress? I mean, if they're like an eighteen 1148 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: win team type thing and they're really really bad, maybe 1149 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: it's the right decision. Diyson Daniels fans, Maybe Tass will 1150 00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,879 Speaker 1: be there with his Daniels Jersey. 1151 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, he can. Listen. 1152 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,920 Speaker 2: They didn't have a great defense for the last few years, 1153 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,799 Speaker 2: and when you have Trey Young as your guy, you 1154 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 2: need those types of guys. Yeah, but it is scary. 1155 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,560 Speaker 2: It is scary going forward. DeAndre Hunter as your number three, 1156 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 2: he was always injured. Clincopella is getting older. It is scary. 1157 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 4: I get it. 1158 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 3: You say they're a different team, but then you also 1159 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 3: list all the guys from twenty twenty one. 1160 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:26,160 Speaker 1: They're all still there. 1161 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,360 Speaker 3: They're gonna be four years older by the time the 1162 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,280 Speaker 3: playoffs roller. 1163 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,439 Speaker 1: They're not a different team. That's the problem. They're going 1164 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: to be the exact same team. It's not going to 1165 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,919 Speaker 1: be too bad. It's not going to be too good. 1166 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,320 Speaker 2: And Jalen Johnson's okay, Jayleen Johnson, Look, you're big. 1167 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: Jay for john Collins is the big, big big really, 1168 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 1169 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 3: I think considering the Hawks let it get to this 1170 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 3: point with des Jonte Murray, this was the best they 1171 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,359 Speaker 3: could do, getting a couple of decent uh first round 1172 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,839 Speaker 3: picks that hopefully convey and hopefully are like in the teams. 1173 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 3: I guess they could get really lucky if the Lakers 1174 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,840 Speaker 3: one hits. But the thing with Trey I agree that 1175 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,239 Speaker 3: at this point it makes the most sense to completely 1176 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,719 Speaker 3: start over and rebuild. But the only trade they can 1177 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 3: make is with the Spurs because the Spurs had their 1178 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 3: draft pick in twenty five, twenty six, yep, and twenty seven, 1179 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,439 Speaker 3: so they need that trade. Literally, that's the only trade 1180 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 3: they could make to have it make sense. Otherwise there's 1181 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 3: no point in being the worst team in the league 1182 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 3: because then another team just gets your top five draft pick. 1183 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the and the Spurs could next seasons. Yeah, 1184 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: the Spurs could get there with I think like Devonte 1185 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 1: Graham's contract, Zach Collins contract, Trey Jones contract, Like you 1186 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: could get to Young's what he make like forty three 1187 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: to forty four millions, So you could get there. Obviously'd 1188 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: be giving all the picks back and stuff like that, 1189 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: and that's why the Hawks would do it. It just then 1190 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: gets into like, do the Spurs want Tree Young? Is 1191 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: that a guy you want as your point guard? With 1192 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,240 Speaker 1: web Min Yama, you see some people say yeah, of course, 1193 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 1: oh my god, especially the names I. 1194 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 3: Just gave you, Well, yeah, they were that. Yeah, they 1195 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,520 Speaker 3: would only be trading picks, really totally. Those are just 1196 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 3: literally just contracts to make it work. But Trey Young 1197 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,479 Speaker 3: to me, doesn't feel like a San Antono. 1198 00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 1: I know that's why. 1199 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Greg Popovic cut him from USA World 1200 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 3: Cop in twenty nineteen for Derek White oddly enough back 1201 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,359 Speaker 3: in the day, so I don't necessarily see that as 1202 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 3: a fit culture wise for Trey Young. 1203 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,360 Speaker 1: What do you think ash about the Pelicans Hawks trade. 1204 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 1: You're here in Atlanta Fortress once upon. 1205 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 6: A time, Well, everybody's always talking about we had to 1206 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,319 Speaker 6: do something to break up those two. 1207 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 4: One of those guys had to leave. 1208 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 6: We've been talking about it all this past season, thinking 1209 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 6: Dejonte was going to go to the Lakers or maybe 1210 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,920 Speaker 6: Trey Young to the Lakers or the Spurs. And now 1211 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,320 Speaker 6: with Dejonte being gone, it's like, Okay, we picked a direction. 1212 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 6: Like Task was saying, we've got Trey Young to be 1213 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 6: our point guard. We have to make other moves though, 1214 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,919 Speaker 6: like we can't run back the same team we've got 1215 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 6: Resa Chet don't know what he's going to be like 1216 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,759 Speaker 6: coming in. DeAndre Hunter, I feel like has to be gone. 1217 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,439 Speaker 1: We have to have somebody in that. 1218 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,319 Speaker 6: Spot to be a lot more consistent than DeAndrea Hunter, 1219 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,319 Speaker 6: and you know Johnson, he's okay. Clint Capela, I'm sure 1220 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 6: it's going to be gone, probably either in the summer 1221 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,520 Speaker 6: here or by the trade deadline, I'm sure with O 1222 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,400 Speaker 6: kunglu So, I don't know. 1223 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,240 Speaker 1: We picked a direction. 1224 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,759 Speaker 6: We don't have to argue, well, whose team is it now, 1225 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 6: because you could hear rumblings from the Atlanta fans all 1226 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 6: the time which one is it? So we got Trey, 1227 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 6: let's move forward with it. Let's get off his back. 1228 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 6: Maybe maybe we can do something. 1229 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny with Dean Johnder because he puts some 1230 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,239 Speaker 2: numbers and he does well, and then he misses a 1231 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 2: lot of time. He just he just continues to miss 1232 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,800 Speaker 2: time year after year. I mean back in the twenty 1233 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,759 Speaker 2: one playoffs, they're starting Solomon Hill for a while at 1234 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 2: the small forward spot that was happening, and then Camp 1235 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:33,680 Speaker 2: Reddish came on. 1236 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 4: He looked awesome for a while. 1237 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,360 Speaker 2: He was guarding really really well in that Bucks series, 1238 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,279 Speaker 2: guarding Chris Middleton. But yes, so the young guys have 1239 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 2: to really it's up to Jalen Johnson, I think, to 1240 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,000 Speaker 2: really move this thing forward. And it just seems like 1241 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 2: Trey and the way that they handshake on the floor 1242 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:50,839 Speaker 2: every single time. 1243 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:51,720 Speaker 4: They're really buds. 1244 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,880 Speaker 2: I don't know how much Jalen Johnson evolves because what 1245 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 2: John Collins had back then was I was they had 1246 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,640 Speaker 2: an attitude that was a different team. And just Quinn 1247 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,040 Speaker 2: Snyder though, is what he did with Donovan Mitchell in 1248 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,279 Speaker 2: Utah's It seems like something that he could do with 1249 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,840 Speaker 2: Trio depends on the guys around him. But you know, 1250 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:13,919 Speaker 2: I just don't know if you just tear it down 1251 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,359 Speaker 2: and just check it out, Like what do you guys 1252 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,400 Speaker 2: think From the New Orleans. 1253 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 1: Side, I love it. I think they got him for 1254 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: very little. They can't score in the fourth quarters to 1255 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: John Y Murray's clutch. Like I at times, he was 1256 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 1: better than treyon a lot of times this year for 1257 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: the Hawks, So I think he'll help in that department. 1258 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,080 Speaker 1: You'd like to see him like get a little more 1259 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: locked in defensively because that was a big part of it. 1260 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,640 Speaker 1: We're like we were like, oh, yeah, what a perfect 1261 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,560 Speaker 1: guard to put alongside Treyon. This guy's like really good defensively. 1262 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 1: He wasn't, no, I mean, he wasn't as good as 1263 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,279 Speaker 1: he was at least in the Spur system. Now is 1264 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,439 Speaker 1: that a Spur system thing? Is that because he wasn't 1265 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,759 Speaker 1: asked to do as much offensively? Who knows, but you'd 1266 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,040 Speaker 1: like to see him try and get back to a 1267 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,000 Speaker 1: little bit more on that end of the floor. But 1268 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 1: he will also have to be the best defender for 1269 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: the Pelicans, like that's Herb Jones like if he's there, 1270 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,920 Speaker 1: So I really like to fit in New Orleans. Gonna 1271 00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,479 Speaker 1: wait to sort of see what they do with Brandon 1272 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 1: Ingram and what that. I don't see how they don't 1273 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,080 Speaker 1: take a fit at all. 1274 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 3: I think Murray and Ingram said player, but one is 1275 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,279 Speaker 3: four inches taller. Yeah, yeah, So I think he's got 1276 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 3: to go. And I think they got to figure out 1277 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 3: what they do with CJ. McCollum as well, because he's 1278 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,680 Speaker 3: a guy. He did a pretty solid job playing off 1279 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 3: the ball. And that's the big thing is that the 1280 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,000 Speaker 3: Pelicans are actually getting a point guard. De Jonte Murray 1281 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,800 Speaker 3: will handle the ball quite a bit. I don't know 1282 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,480 Speaker 3: if that means that Zion doesn't have the ball quite 1283 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,439 Speaker 3: as often, but you should have contingency plans as well. 1284 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,360 Speaker 3: So I think they need to trade Brandon Ingram for 1285 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,320 Speaker 3: a center because they had none on the roster except 1286 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,320 Speaker 3: for a nineteen year old, So yeah, Brook Lopez maybe 1287 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,120 Speaker 3: makes sense there, and maybe Jared Allen, I know, is 1288 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,240 Speaker 3: somebody that the Pelicans would like to have as well. 1289 00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,120 Speaker 3: So if you can, if either if either the Bucks 1290 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 3: or the Calves want to pay this giant extension to 1291 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,359 Speaker 3: brandon Ingram, there could be a trade there. 1292 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:49,759 Speaker 2: Right. 1293 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,920 Speaker 1: We have something here from Cham's it's about a center 1294 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 1: in free agency with cap space teams. Orlando focused on 1295 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: wing free agents and Utah focused on cur roster decisions 1296 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: and the Knicks working to un hardcap. Sources say the 1297 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: Thunder are in Eugene, Oregon, set to meet with Isaiah Hartenstein. 1298 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,239 Speaker 1: They are meeting with iHeart. I thought this would be 1299 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 1: maybe one that was like literally six oh one hits 1300 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 1: and it was like Thunder signing Isaiah Hartenstein to you know, 1301 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,800 Speaker 1: four years, one hundred and twenty million or whatever the heck. 1302 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 1: But obviously they have him as a target and it 1303 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 1: makes sense that's exactly who they could use. And so 1304 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna meet with them. Corden chumps, They're. 1305 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 3: Gonna meet with them. Everybody likes to get a meeting. 1306 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 3: They will always take the meeting. You know, Paul George 1307 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 3: could easily just decide where he wants to go. But 1308 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 3: it's fun to be wooed. Oh Isaiah Hartenstein, he knows 1309 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 3: the deal that's coming from the Knicks. What was it, 1310 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,320 Speaker 3: four years seventy eight is the max they could offer him. 1311 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,280 Speaker 3: We'll see what the Thunder can do. But obviously they 1312 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,080 Speaker 3: can beat the Knicks offer if they want to. So 1313 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,560 Speaker 3: it'll be dollars or comfort. Because the Knicks gave him 1314 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 3: a bigger role. He was awesome as a starter. He 1315 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,480 Speaker 3: will still be getting a raise from the Knicks, just 1316 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 3: he could be get a bigger race from a team like 1317 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:01,640 Speaker 3: the Thunder. 1318 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, after all that the Knicks have done with Michael 1319 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,560 Speaker 2: Bridges signing O G. 1320 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 4: It feels like. 1321 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,240 Speaker 2: Harnscheine Mago depending on how much he can get from 1322 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,040 Speaker 2: somewhere else, or maybe he's just having a meeting, but 1323 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,440 Speaker 2: that would fit so well because you know, they need size. 1324 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 2: They need size, and although chet Holgrin is their starting 1325 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,640 Speaker 2: center and is a monstrous man giving away Josh Getty 1326 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,480 Speaker 2: did limit their their size, which was already an issue. 1327 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,120 Speaker 2: But Hernstein know he could be the backup five and 1328 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,120 Speaker 2: then finish games. I mean because what they're really in 1329 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 2: need of is another like a guy who could finish, 1330 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,320 Speaker 2: and it could be Caruso. Obviously there's no problem. But 1331 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,440 Speaker 2: instead of Dort, you could have a Hardenstein Chet combo. 1332 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,320 Speaker 1: You nice to have the option to go big, yets, 1333 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,520 Speaker 1: ye lots, because Chet, despite being obviously huge, I mean, 1334 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,000 Speaker 1: he's a different player than Isaia Hertenstein and that's fine, 1335 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,520 Speaker 1: but man, I think he'd be awesome in Okay. See, 1336 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm like confident this one is going to happened, Like 1337 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: they're going to just like come in with a pretty 1338 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,520 Speaker 1: damn good deal for him. I'm trying. I'm trying to 1339 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,360 Speaker 1: blank who recently got four for one hundred million? Thank you? 1340 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah. So okay, I mean, I know he's 1341 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,360 Speaker 1: younger and all that, probably not even by that much's 1342 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:15,840 Speaker 1: a weird guy. He's like he feels way older but 1343 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,120 Speaker 1: he's not. But anyway, so that's sort of okay. They're 1344 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,440 Speaker 1: sort of setting your market, you know a little bit. 1345 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,400 Speaker 1: So that's something obviously, Okay, see could do Uh you 1346 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,240 Speaker 1: want to get some one of the other news, Well, 1347 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,280 Speaker 1: we wait on Paul George. We're just waiting on. Yeah, 1348 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,800 Speaker 1: we gotta make a decision. How long we're gonna go here. 1349 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: We will give it another twenty thirty minutes maybe, But 1350 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: we do have some other news. Let's just go to 1351 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,520 Speaker 1: it and uh, you know, interrupt me, esh if anything 1352 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:37,120 Speaker 1: comes across. 1353 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,520 Speaker 6: I'll just say before you go that one thing I've 1354 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,640 Speaker 6: seen is Buttom is not returning to the seventy six ers, 1355 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:43,400 Speaker 6: so he is free agent. 1356 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I saw that too, and I had already 1357 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,280 Speaker 2: excuse me forgotten about him. 1358 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,240 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean. 1359 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:53,000 Speaker 1: Let him go. 1360 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,800 Speaker 2: He hit big shots. Yeah, I guess he's getting more 1361 00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 2: money from elsewhere. I mean, they're waiting to sign Paul 1362 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,720 Speaker 2: George to a max and maybe can't give but two 1363 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 2: more than the minimum. 1364 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,160 Speaker 1: But like you said, Paul George was talking up but 1365 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,000 Speaker 1: too and Covington when he was obviously with the Clipper. Yeah, 1366 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: he was saying like, yeah, man, once those guys left 1367 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: me and Cou, I had to do the dirty work, 1368 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Like oh, I don't want to. Well, you get you do, 1369 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,959 Speaker 1: get paid a lot of money. Maybe do a little 1370 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,320 Speaker 1: bit of it. But anyway. The big news today was 1371 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,960 Speaker 1: the Detroit Pistons are finalizing a deal with former Calves 1372 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: coach JB. Bickerstaff to be their next head coach just 1373 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,360 Speaker 1: a week after firing Mani Williams. So, I guess Kenny 1374 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Atkinson Calves coach JB. Bickerstaff moving from Cleveland, he is 1375 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,440 Speaker 1: going to be Detroit's head coach. Your thoughts where does 1376 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:44,600 Speaker 1: James Beret go? 1377 01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, man, When I was the leader here 1378 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,720 Speaker 3: for a while and then Trajan Langdon took over the 1379 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,840 Speaker 3: job and now suddenly its JB. Bickerstaff going from the 1380 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,920 Speaker 3: Caves to the Pistons kind of weird to me. 1381 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a little ye. The Pistons love to 1382 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,120 Speaker 1: hire a guy that's been fired with like Dwayne Casey, 1383 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Manny Williams now Bickerstaff. Yeah, it wasn't. This sort of 1384 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. Absolutely. I was like, well, okay, 1385 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: JB's getting I think it's like a four or five 1386 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,560 Speaker 1: year deal. I think the Athletic was saying four years. 1387 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,880 Speaker 1: I think what was at five years? So it's not 1388 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,520 Speaker 1: like short by any means. That's sort of I think 1389 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,880 Speaker 1: now just a going rate for most of these coaches, 1390 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,200 Speaker 1: especially someone's been coaching for a while and coach a 1391 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,920 Speaker 1: lot of teams. But what do you think of this 1392 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:22,720 Speaker 1: move from Langdon? 1393 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Brego side is interesting. I wonder how much 1394 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,920 Speaker 2: they actually really really wanted him. I saw within within 1395 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,840 Speaker 2: a Slack accountant that I'm a member of that James 1396 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,680 Speaker 2: Edwards did mention that the fact that he has been 1397 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,520 Speaker 2: withdrawn is a little bit too much because they weren't 1398 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 2: really looking for him, is the whole implication. And JB, 1399 01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 2: I guess, as you said, they do like a guy 1400 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,600 Speaker 2: who's fired. Now, he did turn the Cavs around big time. 1401 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,520 Speaker 2: You know, his first full season was a twenty two 1402 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,120 Speaker 2: and fifty and then they won forty four games, then 1403 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,520 Speaker 2: they acquired Donovan Mitchell, they won the fifty one games, 1404 01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,600 Speaker 2: and then you know, then. 1405 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,840 Speaker 1: He gets fired and the hit piece came out away. Yeah, 1406 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,880 Speaker 1: that the veterans, at least in the Cav's locker room 1407 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,560 Speaker 1: were butting heads with them, and I think, actually, this 1408 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,160 Speaker 1: will be a good team for him, because I remember 1409 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,520 Speaker 1: that that report was they thought the veterans in the 1410 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,880 Speaker 1: cas locker room thought Bickerstaff was treating them like a 1411 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,920 Speaker 1: young team and then you know they had to learn 1412 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,160 Speaker 1: and stuff like that and not not like a team 1413 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,080 Speaker 1: like maybe ready to contend and a little more ahead 1414 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,120 Speaker 1: of schedule. So Bickerstaff is now with a young team, 1415 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,160 Speaker 1: so maybe this is a better fit for him. I 1416 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,919 Speaker 1: don't think he's a terrible coach by any means. 1417 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 2: No, he turned around a Cavs team when they were 1418 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,000 Speaker 2: a young team, right, right. But he may get fired 1419 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,160 Speaker 2: in a few years, because as an. 1420 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,000 Speaker 1: NBA head coach, he will get fired years. Set the 1421 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 1: line at two and a half two and a half season, 1422 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,080 Speaker 1: you can set it up, yeah, overunder. 1423 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,360 Speaker 2: But if he gets them to a play in tournament position, 1424 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,040 Speaker 2: that's a it's a hell of achievement. 1425 01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,000 Speaker 1: So the bar could not possibly be lower. How many 1426 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:50,840 Speaker 1: games did they win? 1427 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:51,360 Speaker 6: Four? 1428 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,200 Speaker 1: This is year six of the rebuild for Detroit. Yeah, 1429 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: coach three. I am with you, though, it's like it's uninspiring. 1430 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,880 Speaker 1: It's a safe it's a safe pick, right. But Trajan 1431 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,360 Speaker 1: Langdon comes in here as the franchise's new president of 1432 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,680 Speaker 1: basketball operations. He basically sort of revamps the front office 1433 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,400 Speaker 1: that was good, see you later, Troy Weaver, and then 1434 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,120 Speaker 1: fires the head coach, and then obviously it gets his 1435 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,920 Speaker 1: new head coach here. They need to Yeah, this has 1436 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,840 Speaker 1: been a long time and them being bad. They need 1437 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,000 Speaker 1: to start seeing some development with their young guys. And 1438 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,240 Speaker 1: hopefully bickerstaff can can help them get there. 1439 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,280 Speaker 2: There's some hot rumors Colbo Pope going back to Detroit 1440 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:28,440 Speaker 2: where he used to play. 1441 01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:30,800 Speaker 4: But why would he want to go back there? 1442 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,720 Speaker 1: I mean, get the paycheck. The paycheck young sounds like 1443 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,560 Speaker 1: a leverage leak to me. Yep, possible. 1444 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,640 Speaker 3: He's got cap space. I could go sign there. You 1445 01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:39,720 Speaker 3: better pay me a little bit more. 1446 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,160 Speaker 1: In other news, you sort of slipped it in earlier. 1447 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,600 Speaker 1: Canadian Olympic basketball team GM Rowan Barrett said Friday that 1448 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,480 Speaker 1: Golden State is blocking Andrew Wiggins from competing in Paris, 1449 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,360 Speaker 1: while the Warriors countered. It was a mutual decision between 1450 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,120 Speaker 1: the team and Andrew Wiggins was among the twenty players 1451 01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 1: who received invitations to camp to determm in the Olympic team. 1452 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:01,400 Speaker 3: UH. 1453 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,920 Speaker 1: A lot of Canadian basketball fans upset with this task, 1454 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,560 Speaker 1: not happy with Steve Kurr, not happy with the Warriors 1455 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,080 Speaker 1: basically right before they started training camp. That was sort 1456 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,080 Speaker 1: of the weird part that it was like suddenly like, no, 1457 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 1: you can't go and you're not playing for them. What 1458 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: was your takeaway? 1459 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 2: Obviously a little disappointment, but at the same time, the 1460 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:24,640 Speaker 2: team that played last year without him was fantastic. 1461 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,480 Speaker 4: They were so good. Yeah, and so yes, it would 1462 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,600 Speaker 4: be nice to get peak. 1463 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,680 Speaker 1: Wick, but they could use some size and some wing. 1464 01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, loud Dort, it's gonna be a lot to be 1465 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,760 Speaker 2: asked about for him to uh to produce and fire 1466 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:37,960 Speaker 2: away from three point Land. 1467 01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,440 Speaker 4: Hopefully he hits them, but they have, you know they have. 1468 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,800 Speaker 2: That's that's where they're lacking, is the wings and bigger 1469 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,960 Speaker 2: and the and the actual big man the center spot 1470 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,280 Speaker 2: going up against if we're talking we're talking big, we're 1471 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,360 Speaker 2: talking about going up against the USA, the Kelly Olinick, 1472 01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,240 Speaker 2: Dwight Powell. 1473 01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,800 Speaker 1: Zach Edy, no Zach Edy knowledge. 1474 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's disappointing, that's for sure. 1475 01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,720 Speaker 2: But we don't know what Wiggins were going to get anyway, 1476 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,280 Speaker 2: because Wiggins was not good to see. We know that 1477 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,200 Speaker 2: that's fairly clear. 1478 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the part I hate about this is 1479 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,240 Speaker 1: they're pretending it was the reason as a medical decision, 1480 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,320 Speaker 1: but it's just like, no, we're just trying to trade him, 1481 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,880 Speaker 1: so like they're just you're lying because Barrett said, this 1482 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,840 Speaker 1: is not an Andrew decision, this was a team decision. 1483 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,600 Speaker 1: This was not mutual. And the weird part to me 1484 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,000 Speaker 1: a little bit is like maybe this gets Andrew Wiggins 1485 01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,720 Speaker 1: going a little bit, like it could work out for 1486 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,120 Speaker 1: the Warriors if he continues to stay there under the contract. 1487 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,200 Speaker 1: I know you're trying to trade him. You do risk 1488 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,560 Speaker 1: him getting injured, but like, I don't know, maybe unlock something. 1489 01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,320 Speaker 1: He sort of gets his mojo back a little bit 1490 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,200 Speaker 1: by making the team, playing in Paris and stuff like that. 1491 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,520 Speaker 1: But it's just unfortunate because they could use them. He 1492 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 1: would have made the team that he could have. He's 1493 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,200 Speaker 1: an NBA player, despite all his faults, he's still really 1494 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,000 Speaker 1: good and he would have had a roll at least. 1495 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, they won't have him. Steve Kurtz just afraid 1496 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 1: we might see Andrew Wiggins revenge game against me. And 1497 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,120 Speaker 1: I guess silver in Paris so sort of sucks and 1498 01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,480 Speaker 1: they'll steals try and trade him. But the Zach Edy thing, Yeah, 1499 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,240 Speaker 1: that's a that's a bumber. Two. You have any thoughts 1500 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 1: on Team Canada? No, I think this is good for Wiggins. 1501 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,840 Speaker 3: Good for Wiggins to not play, Yes, Why so if 1502 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,840 Speaker 3: it goes poorly, he would get blamed for showing up 1503 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,440 Speaker 3: for the first time, messing with the chemistry, not reducing. 1504 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,560 Speaker 1: It could have gone poorly for him. Yeah, I think 1505 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,000 Speaker 1: I think better off without Wiggins, to be quite honest, 1506 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,560 Speaker 1: for both sides. Uh. 1507 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did struggle this year and he wasn't guaranteed 1508 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:28,400 Speaker 2: to make the team. 1509 01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:28,960 Speaker 4: Even if he was. 1510 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,080 Speaker 2: This was a tryout. 1511 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:30,520 Speaker 1: I think he was. 1512 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 4: The word was tryout. 1513 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,640 Speaker 2: Now, with the talent he'd be going up against, maybe 1514 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,800 Speaker 2: we just would have made it no matter what. And 1515 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,480 Speaker 2: he has put through a lot of years playing for Canada. 1516 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, the last he played it was for an Olympic 1517 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,720 Speaker 1: qualifying tournament in twenty twenty one that they came up 1518 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,200 Speaker 1: short in that. Not like he was given the blame 1519 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,560 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but this is the first time 1520 01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,840 Speaker 1: Canada has been in the Olympics for men's basketball since 1521 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,720 Speaker 1: two thousand. Uh And if I remember, in the summer 1522 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, Canada did that they asked all 1523 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,200 Speaker 1: these players, Hey, we need the three year commitment, right, 1524 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,920 Speaker 1: you got attend summertime camps in order to play for 1525 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,000 Speaker 1: the Olympics if we make it. And he didn't make 1526 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,280 Speaker 1: that commitment because the Warriors were exactly the Warriors were 1527 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,760 Speaker 1: in the in their championship run. He was one year 1528 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,040 Speaker 1: away from an unrestricted free agency, so there was that 1529 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,640 Speaker 1: part of the equation as well, and so you know, 1530 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's just unfortunately he can't 1531 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 1: play or it won't be playing. Final piece of news 1532 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:27,000 Speaker 1: news Tyre's Haliburton Jillen Brunson made appearances on ww He's 1533 01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:31,840 Speaker 1: SmackDown at Madison Square Garden on Friday night. We had 1534 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,360 Speaker 1: Haliburton as a heel. He was like teamed up with 1535 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,240 Speaker 1: Logan Paul and then Jillen Brunson coming to the rescue 1536 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,880 Speaker 1: of La Knight. I guess Brunson stopped Halliburton from helping 1537 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,560 Speaker 1: Paul cheat to win that money in the bank match 1538 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,600 Speaker 1: versus La Knight. He liked, He's like, hey, he's going 1539 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,480 Speaker 1: for the brass knuckles. Yeah, Haliburt was trying to get 1540 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,640 Speaker 1: those to Logan Paul. And then later at the end, 1541 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,040 Speaker 1: I think he jumped in with a chair, looked like 1542 01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,720 Speaker 1: he hurt his hand. He came up shaking the hand. Yeah. 1543 01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,080 Speaker 1: I think he has tweeted after like relax, it's not 1544 01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,440 Speaker 1: hurt and all that. But no punch is thrown. 1545 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,320 Speaker 3: No punch is thrown, no chairs chaired. 1546 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:10,880 Speaker 4: Just Broaden. 1547 01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:16,479 Speaker 2: Got it though. 1548 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,559 Speaker 1: A great catch great noise. 1549 01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like how these guys continue taking an on court, 1550 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,120 Speaker 3: you know, team versus team beef taking it to the 1551 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,960 Speaker 3: squared circle. Looks like Dennis Rodman and Carmelong. Yeah back 1552 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:31,639 Speaker 3: in the day. 1553 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,360 Speaker 1: I had forgotten it sounded loud. Yeah, they popped. They 1554 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,080 Speaker 1: absolutely popped like Haliburton, like I said, came down with 1555 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,680 Speaker 1: loepole leaning into the heel obviously just having played the 1556 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,160 Speaker 1: next and then Brunson there like coming to his rescue 1557 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,400 Speaker 1: for La Night. Trey Young did this too, right in 1558 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,880 Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden, remembers, Yeah, he showed up. He was 1559 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,360 Speaker 1: getting booed like crazy. He was living it up. So 1560 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,640 Speaker 1: it works in Madison Square Garden, it works in New 1561 01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,360 Speaker 1: York if you are a villain to that fan base. 1562 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,280 Speaker 4: After hitting the shot on him on. 1563 01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:58,920 Speaker 1: The yeah, I'm pretty sure. 1564 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,719 Speaker 3: I remember him, he pulled to w W SmackDown Madison 1565 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:04,439 Speaker 3: Square Guard. 1566 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,639 Speaker 4: So who I didn't see the video of the chair hit. 1567 01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,120 Speaker 1: Well, there was there was no chair hit. No, there 1568 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,760 Speaker 1: was no chair car. Yeah, he came in like a 1569 01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,400 Speaker 1: little backup. It was two on one, right, I will 1570 01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,599 Speaker 1: hit you, Yeah, I will hit If you don't stop. 1571 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:27,160 Speaker 1: You just laid out Tyry selling board and like somebody said, 1572 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:31,439 Speaker 1: like what would Silver do if they were punching? Just throwing? 1573 01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:37,400 Speaker 1: Who neither get fined one game suspension? I don't think so. 1574 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,800 Speaker 1: But Strip, they're not actually punching each other. You just 1575 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:42,760 Speaker 1: gotta sell it, you know. 1576 01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:43,719 Speaker 4: Uh. 1577 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,560 Speaker 1: Any other breaking news. 1578 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,280 Speaker 6: From Tony Jones says, uh, Westbrook has indicated an interest 1579 01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,559 Speaker 6: in playing in Denver. You're trying to sign and trade okay, 1580 01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,720 Speaker 6: uh with the Nuggets. 1581 01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:56,479 Speaker 2: Because he just opted. 1582 01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,839 Speaker 4: Did he did go back to the Clippers. 1583 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:01,960 Speaker 2: It didn't feel like he was actually going to play 1584 01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,559 Speaker 2: for the Clippers, but he just picked up his option 1585 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,000 Speaker 2: right Denver. 1586 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:05,320 Speaker 4: Huh. 1587 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,720 Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, on the Denver front, seeing that they could 1588 01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,719 Speaker 2: sign Contavious Carlo Pope and just trade him out because 1589 01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,280 Speaker 2: it seems like he'd want out. The Pacers are a 1590 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,519 Speaker 2: team rumored to getting him. According to Mike Singer and 1591 01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:25,120 Speaker 2: John Hollinger. Four could be for Aaron Nesmith and Jarris Walker, 1592 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,599 Speaker 2: who is uh the guy they just picked last year? 1593 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,559 Speaker 2: So rook like number eight pick? 1594 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:31,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, never played. 1595 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,040 Speaker 2: Aaron Smith would seemingly be in the trade. 1596 01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,040 Speaker 1: Now that's a trade you make. Was near the Pacers like, hey, 1597 01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,599 Speaker 1: we are for real and yeah, KCP helps teams win 1598 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,040 Speaker 1: championship and they got a lot of cards. 1599 01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:43,840 Speaker 4: But they must have seen the Halliburton. 1600 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,559 Speaker 2: Uh Brunston, did you say you got to play? 1601 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,640 Speaker 1: Did you say the Nuggets could just sign KC. Yes 1602 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,280 Speaker 1: they could. They're just the cheap skates, Yes they are. Yeah, 1603 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,680 Speaker 1: like sort of like they got their rings, so it's 1604 01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,840 Speaker 1: sort of Babel don't care as much. But like, man, 1605 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,120 Speaker 1: you have Jokic and they did sign Murray, right, I 1606 01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,240 Speaker 1: think reports are that he's signed his extension, but like 1607 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,640 Speaker 1: around the fringe is obviously Bruce Brown. That was a 1608 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,080 Speaker 1: different sort of scenario. But then maybe this like what 1609 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,679 Speaker 1: are you doing? Like they're trying to do it all cheaply. 1610 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Calvin Booth says it's because they want to build 1611 01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,320 Speaker 3: a dynasty, but they came up short I thought in 1612 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,559 Speaker 3: the playoffs because they didn't have enough players. Yeah really, 1613 01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,639 Speaker 3: so yeah, they've got the three big deals in Jokich, 1614 01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,800 Speaker 3: Murray and then Michael Porter Junior. Is the big thing 1615 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,400 Speaker 3: is that that guy's getting paid. He's like he's somewhere 1616 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,320 Speaker 3: between one eighty five and two fifteen I think was 1617 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,920 Speaker 3: his deal and he hasn't been worth that. But it's 1618 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,680 Speaker 3: like what he came eligible for it, they had to 1619 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,040 Speaker 3: pay him and he did help him win a championship, 1620 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,519 Speaker 3: though he was brutal in the finals. But they're being 1621 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,639 Speaker 3: super cheap with all of their rotation guys. They sent 1622 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,320 Speaker 3: Reggie Jackson away. He also wasn't great in the playoffs, 1623 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,920 Speaker 3: but they traded him along with picks right, Yeah, to 1624 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,240 Speaker 3: get rid of them. They lost Bruce Brown last year 1625 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,120 Speaker 3: because a salary cap. Same with well, Bruce Brown, they 1626 01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,840 Speaker 3: couldn't offer him as much as the Bowlers could. Jeff Green, 1627 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,559 Speaker 3: same reason. They just lost them because they were cheap. 1628 01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,479 Speaker 3: They're trying to do it with these rookie guys, but 1629 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,640 Speaker 3: it's making it harder on the starters. 1630 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,479 Speaker 1: And that was the key to the Nuggets. 1631 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,519 Speaker 3: They had an awesome starting lineup the year they won 1632 01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,400 Speaker 3: a championship, and now another one of those guys is 1633 01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:08,800 Speaker 3: gonna be gone, and an awesome top six. 1634 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:09,599 Speaker 1: They lost two of them. 1635 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,920 Speaker 2: Now you got a top four. Yeah, And it's interesting 1636 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,040 Speaker 2: to see what they'll do with Aaron Gordon next year 1637 01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,639 Speaker 2: because he'll be up for a player option the following 1638 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,599 Speaker 2: year and he's only making twenty two million. He's far 1639 01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,280 Speaker 2: cheaper than the other big three of Jokic, Murray and 1640 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,960 Speaker 2: Porter because I was talking about people, you know, who 1641 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,760 Speaker 2: are you projecting for next season's championship team? And in 1642 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,200 Speaker 2: the West, the Nuggets are part of the top, but 1643 01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,880 Speaker 2: they may not be there, And so maybe that's why 1644 01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,000 Speaker 2: Jokic and these well. 1645 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:39,679 Speaker 4: Maybe not Jokic. 1646 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,439 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say Yokich wants Vassilia Michic, but just because 1647 01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,639 Speaker 2: he's a Serbian, I'd assume that Jokic would love him. 1648 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,400 Speaker 1: But there's some talk because he liked the ponies, I mean, 1649 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,680 Speaker 1: courses mechicch come on in. 1650 01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,120 Speaker 2: But's key for them that would be be very yah. 1651 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they have cheap owner, so that part, I 1652 01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,599 Speaker 1: guess is not all that surprising. Again out their title. 1653 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,719 Speaker 1: But you I mean, I mean, anytime Calvin Booth talks 1654 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,720 Speaker 1: to these guys tries to master the spin, isn't he do? 1655 01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:09,000 Speaker 1: You're like, what? 1656 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:10,200 Speaker 4: Man? 1657 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,639 Speaker 1: All right, Well that's sort of maybe where we can 1658 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,160 Speaker 1: call it unless we've got anything else from woes or shams. 1659 01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,679 Speaker 1: But I'm not got a good tweet here from Josh Hart. 1660 01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,440 Speaker 1: Sure six PM was anti climactic. 1661 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,080 Speaker 3: Josh Hart's like, come on, man, yeah, I want to 1662 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:29,679 Speaker 3: know where Isaiah Hartenstein's going. 1663 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you wonder how much pressure they're putting on 1664 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,680 Speaker 1: their guy. I always wonder about that. Yeah, it's like, 1665 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,240 Speaker 1: you know, they have to assume they've talked to him, right, 1666 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,400 Speaker 1: Oh on, man, just stay man looks at me on bridges. Now, 1667 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,160 Speaker 1: you're basically one of the guys. But he's like, but 1668 01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:45,960 Speaker 1: I never was a wildcat. 1669 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:50,240 Speaker 2: You like, I know you like him. 1670 01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:54,160 Speaker 1: You still got a thing for him, don't you? Always? 1671 01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:55,960 Speaker 1: Like I was driving in here to the fact that 1672 01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, you, like, are these guys calling each other like, 1673 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,559 Speaker 1: don't go man? Or do they not care? And they're like, yeah, 1674 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,559 Speaker 1: go get your money, man, trying to make money. Played 1675 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,479 Speaker 1: a kid's game and he pays one hundred million dollars. 1676 01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,360 Speaker 1: Pretty cool, go do it. I guess it depends. I'm 1677 01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,479 Speaker 1: sure it's different from guy to guy and team to team, 1678 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,680 Speaker 1: but it feels like those guys would be of any 1679 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,400 Speaker 1: team we're talking about the team of friendship that they 1680 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,160 Speaker 1: would be like, he was pretty instrumental to They're they're 1681 01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,360 Speaker 1: pretty strong run there, obviously despite all the injuries, Like 1682 01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,679 Speaker 1: we think he's a really good player. He's mastered that floater. 1683 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,880 Speaker 1: So Fred Chatz tweeted about that his dad taught him 1684 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,840 Speaker 1: to do the floater? Did you see that? I was 1685 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,840 Speaker 1: thinking of you. It's basically a dinker dumper type of dude. Yeah, yeah, 1686 01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,599 Speaker 1: he is, but he doesn't actually, I think doesn't hit 1687 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,400 Speaker 1: the rim all that often. Straight swishes. Yeah, he's got 1688 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,479 Speaker 1: a nice one. Yeah. There are a lot of tweets 1689 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:45,320 Speaker 1: right now at about the Nuggets in Westbrook. Wow, that's 1690 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,720 Speaker 1: a weird one. But they need guys, guys, they need 1691 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,720 Speaker 1: it's cheap. Yeah yeah, and if Peyton and they need 1692 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,040 Speaker 1: more from Peyton Watson. But then it's like, did they 1693 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,960 Speaker 1: give him enough reps? And and Ken he sort of 1694 01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:01,840 Speaker 1: give what Contavious called Pope did, Yes, but probably not offensively. 1695 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,320 Speaker 1: Before we go, let's get to uh, let's get to 1696 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:11,320 Speaker 1: tweeted the night. What tweet over now? Wow, it would 1697 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:16,320 Speaker 1: be just simple. Just made me laugh. The Lakers tweeted 1698 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,519 Speaker 1: it the other day. We got a number for their 1699 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:25,960 Speaker 1: new draft pick, and that is Connect four. Beauty. That's right, 1700 01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,240 Speaker 1: Connect will be wearing number four for the Lakers. 1701 01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:34,040 Speaker 2: And I laughed and laugh and laughed laughter. 1702 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,840 Speaker 1: I actually remember saying to you on the playback stream 1703 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,559 Speaker 1: when we were doing the draft, I asked you, Tram, 1704 01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,720 Speaker 1: like what number did this guy wear? You better wear 1705 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,120 Speaker 1: number four? Right? We all had and we laughed and 1706 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,759 Speaker 1: laugh and here he is, he's doing it. That's great. 1707 01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:49,960 Speaker 1: I don't think you were in college if I if 1708 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:51,280 Speaker 1: I saw it, I don't think so. I think he 1709 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,200 Speaker 1: was a see A five man, I don't know. And 1710 01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:59,200 Speaker 1: connect five he was a three O three three H 1711 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,640 Speaker 1: connect So I then I then tweeted, well, I like 1712 01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,320 Speaker 1: the chances now of Rondo being an assistant coach for 1713 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,000 Speaker 1: JJ Redick. This guy loves Connect four, one of the greats. 1714 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,720 Speaker 1: He's like, remember there was like reports he's playing five 1715 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:16,360 Speaker 1: kids at once, Like children's just connecting foward it up 1716 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,040 Speaker 1: all across the floor. So yeah, maybe this helps the chances. 1717 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:25,120 Speaker 1: He's like, Wow, guys called connect four. I'm intrigued. Let's 1718 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,160 Speaker 1: see if he's got a game. 1719 01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,800 Speaker 3: That's that's the best Jersey combo since Mobamba started wearing 1720 01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:33,320 Speaker 3: number five. 1721 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,920 Speaker 1: So good, that's true, that's true. What about your at 1722 01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,120 Speaker 1: seven wearing seventy seven? 1723 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,800 Speaker 2: Why did they make him so white? Why did they 1724 01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:43,880 Speaker 2: wash out his skin coat? 1725 01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:44,960 Speaker 4: Have they done that before? 1726 01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:46,120 Speaker 3: Done that? 1727 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,599 Speaker 1: But I didn't notice he's a white guy. 1728 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it. Are they just highlighting the fact 1729 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:53,519 Speaker 4: that I see it super white? 1730 01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,960 Speaker 1: I see it. I mean, yeah, you extra white in that. 1731 01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,000 Speaker 2: Well, there's no color other than the jersey. I guess 1732 01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:00,599 Speaker 2: they're highlighting. 1733 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:01,439 Speaker 1: Yeah they want to. 1734 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his pigman has got Dalton connect Dalton. 1735 01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:08,639 Speaker 4: What a name? 1736 01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,639 Speaker 3: See the first Dalton in the NBA probably not Ross 1737 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:18,360 Speaker 3: Ray for Dalton, Nope, Bob John and Ralph we played 1738 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:24,960 Speaker 3: Ralph Dalton Ralph. 1739 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:29,360 Speaker 1: So as we go, now Dalton about. 1740 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:29,880 Speaker 4: He is a Georgetown boy. 1741 01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,559 Speaker 1: Uh. This obviously is a holiday week here. I mean 1742 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,000 Speaker 1: it's July one tomorrow, it's Canada Day, so Happy Canada 1743 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:37,760 Speaker 1: Day to all of our Canadians out there. And we've 1744 01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,840 Speaker 1: got July fourth later in the week figuring out the 1745 01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,160 Speaker 1: schedule here. Will probably do some emergency podcast if they 1746 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,920 Speaker 1: call for it. I'm not sure if we'll be back 1747 01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,240 Speaker 1: tomorrow to sort of do a recap here because Dick 1748 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:55,320 Speaker 1: calls happened. Really, we're waiting on Paul Paul Well, I guess, 1749 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,679 Speaker 1: I mean he could break the news himself. Wow, he's 1750 01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:02,080 Speaker 1: waiting to record podcasts. Could do it Pat dev style, 1751 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,400 Speaker 1: But he's waiting to record. You can't get the studio 1752 01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,479 Speaker 1: space right now. He's made his decision. He just can't 1753 01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:12,000 Speaker 1: get the studio space. But Nazi's booked it ahead of Jesus. 1754 01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,439 Speaker 1: How many live ad reads do we have in this one? 1755 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,360 Speaker 1: Have we booked Indo Chino yet? Uh? So we're waiting 1756 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,040 Speaker 1: on Paul any Pays. We'll have some podcasts later this week, 1757 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,040 Speaker 1: so make sure you hit the light button, make sure 1758 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,080 Speaker 1: you subscribe. Thanks everyone for joining us live. There's some 1759 01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,519 Speaker 1: big numbers here tonight, and podcast listeners. Do us a favor, 1760 01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,040 Speaker 1: leave us a five star rating and review as we go, though, 1761 01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,000 Speaker 1: I want to hear a prediction when it comes to 1762 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,120 Speaker 1: Paul George or Klay Thompson or like a potential big 1763 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,920 Speaker 1: trade with Ingram or maybe the Lakers give me one. 1764 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:41,639 Speaker 1: What do you think here? 1765 01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,160 Speaker 3: I think we will see a zach Lavine trade before 1766 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,320 Speaker 3: Independence Day? 1767 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:53,559 Speaker 1: Okay, well under Earth, Yeah you got a big free 1768 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:54,879 Speaker 1: agency sort of prediction. 1769 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:55,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1770 01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,280 Speaker 2: I think Darryl Moore in Philadelphia seventy six ers they 1771 01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,880 Speaker 2: want Paul George real neat and I think it's gonna win. 1772 01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:01,040 Speaker 2: I think they're going to do it. 1773 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:02,680 Speaker 1: Ash, you got something for me? 1774 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,800 Speaker 6: I think Klay Thompson and Paul George is going to 1775 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:06,040 Speaker 6: team up in Philadelphia. 1776 01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,840 Speaker 1: WHOA, I disagree with that. I think Clay Thompson is 1777 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,760 Speaker 1: going to be in a Lakers uniform. That's what he 1778 01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:16,800 Speaker 1: wants us to think possible. That's possible. But we'll be 1779 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,160 Speaker 1: back to report on it all once we actually know 1780 01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,639 Speaker 1: the details of what's going on. Thanks again for joining us. 1781 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,080 Speaker 1: Until we see you next time. Clipper Brow you heard 1782 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,679 Speaker 1: it here first. Have a great time turn up. Love 1783 01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,160 Speaker 1: you guys, awesome. 1784 01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,360 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. I remember there's hot rumors that 1785 01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,760 Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook will be playing for the Denver Nuggets as 1786 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,960 Speaker 2: their backup guard. They must think back to that time 1787 01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,240 Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook had fifty sixteen and ten in Denver. 1788 01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he loves the thin air. Yeah, he's faster 1789 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:43,960 Speaker 1: in the thin air. 1790 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:49,120 Speaker 4: Got good sightlines there. Yeah, he just can see through everything. 1791 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,360 Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm saying that, but anyways, he 1792 01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,160 Speaker 2: had a great game there when he won that MVP. 1793 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:55,559 Speaker 4: That's probably why they're getting all right. 1794 01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,040 Speaker 1: Maybe embrace the night people,