WEBVTT - The Murder Years: Ep. 5 - Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>This series is inspired by true events. The stories you're

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<v Speaker 1>about to hear are fictional, and so are the characters

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<v Speaker 1>who are played by actors.

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<v Speaker 2>Principal Palumbo here, remember Valentine's Day is Friday, and today's

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<v Speaker 2>the last day of carnation sales one dollar a carnation,

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<v Speaker 2>and the proceeds go to help fund the concert choir's

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<v Speaker 2>trip to Nationals.

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<v Speaker 1>After Charlotte Murphy's murder at the ice cream shop, it

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<v Speaker 1>was nice to have a distraction like Valentine's Day, even

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<v Speaker 1>though it could be pretty stressful. At Mount Pine High School,

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<v Speaker 1>a person's popularity can be basically measured by how many

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<v Speaker 1>carnations they get on Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 3>Valentine's Day was all about the carnation.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in nineteen eighty six, sixteen year old Lauren Collins

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<v Speaker 1>is a junior like us. She's the stereotypical varsity cheerleader. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren live in Houston and is the manager at a

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<v Speaker 1>high end hotel and spa.

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<v Speaker 3>It was not only about who I'm buying carnations for,

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<v Speaker 3>but who was buying carnations for me? And the colors

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<v Speaker 3>set it all white for friendship, pink for a secret

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<v Speaker 3>crush and red for love.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, this Valentine's Day, I'm wondering how many carnations

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<v Speaker 1>all get from my new boyfriend Ethan.

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<v Speaker 4>Today.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a fifty two year old divorce attorney, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course he's divorced.

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<v Speaker 5>My clan was to make it a very romantic Valentine's

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<v Speaker 5>Day for Nancy. But man, we had no idea it

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<v Speaker 5>would be a bloody Valentine.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Nancy Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>This is The Murder Years, episode five, Victoria.

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<v Speaker 6>Finally, it was Friday, Valentine's Day. Flowers were going to

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<v Speaker 6>be coming to our homeroom class.

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<v Speaker 1>Tatiana and I were always in the same homeroom, so

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<v Speaker 1>we got to experience the carnations thing together every year.

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<v Speaker 4>I checked my diary. Of course, I wrote it down.

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<v Speaker 6>I got six white ones and one red one from

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<v Speaker 6>my boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 4>I was pissed he only got me one.

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<v Speaker 1>I got five white carnations and ten red ones. Ethan

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<v Speaker 1>did good. But Lauren, the cheerleader, well, Lauren cleaned up.

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<v Speaker 3>I got something like thirty carnations. It was kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>We carried the flowers around all day and everyone took

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<v Speaker 3>note of who got the most. You know, sure, I

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<v Speaker 3>know It sounds dumb now, but it was very important then.

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<v Speaker 1>The plan for that night is Ethan and I are

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<v Speaker 1>double dating with Tatiana and her boyfriend. We all go

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<v Speaker 1>to China Buffet, then to the Valentine's dance at school.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the night, Ethan and I have

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good makeout session in his car while Tatiana

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<v Speaker 1>and her date are still dancing, and then Ethan drops

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<v Speaker 1>me and Tatiana off at her house for a sleepover.

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<v Speaker 1>We're way too hyper asleep, so we're up for hours

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<v Speaker 1>talking about dinner and the dance, and then.

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<v Speaker 4>We hear something.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like screams, blood curling, screams.

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<v Speaker 7>Nine one one, what's your emergency?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh my god, my daughter she's gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, my daughter is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's around two am when Mount Pine police arrive at

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<v Speaker 1>the Blue and White ranch house on Allendale Lane, three

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<v Speaker 1>doors down from Tatiana's house. We're outside watching everything. On

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<v Speaker 1>the front we see Dorothy Brown and her fourteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old son, Donnie. Dorothy is sobbing while Donnie nervously swings

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball bat and paces the lawn.

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<v Speaker 9>I arrived at a very chaotic.

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<v Speaker 1>Scene back in nineteen eighty six. Detective Marcia Thompson is

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<v Speaker 1>a four year veteran of Mount PINEPDE. Today she's an

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<v Speaker 1>investigator in the Prosecutor's office. She told me she would

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<v Speaker 1>only talk to me if she could find her notes

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<v Speaker 1>and review them first.

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<v Speaker 4>Thankfully she did so.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, I was first informed that thirteen year old Victoria

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<v Speaker 10>Brown was missing, and as we know, every second counts

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<v Speaker 10>when there's an abduction.

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<v Speaker 1>People in town know the Brown family. Sadly, they're no

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<v Speaker 1>strangers to tragedy. Dorothy's husband died in a horrible car

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<v Speaker 1>accident six years before and now this.

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<v Speaker 10>So because we had a missing girl, we cordoned off

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<v Speaker 10>the area until the canine unit from the county arrived.

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<v Speaker 10>I tried to talk to Dorothy outside. She was hysterical, understandably,

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<v Speaker 10>so she told me everything was normal up until then.

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<v Speaker 10>She got home from work. She worked at Ridgemont nursing Home.

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<v Speaker 10>She made dinner and a heart shaped pink duncan Heine's

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<v Speaker 10>cake for the kids. Around seven point thirty, Victoria came

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<v Speaker 10>home from her friend's house.

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<v Speaker 9>She was in a good mood.

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<v Speaker 10>She didn't have dinner because she had already eaten at

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<v Speaker 10>her friends, but she did have a lot of cake,

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<v Speaker 10>which then turned into a belly ache, so she went

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<v Speaker 10>to her room and fell asleep. Donnie got home around nineish,

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<v Speaker 10>ate cake and played Autari until around eleven pm, then

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<v Speaker 10>he went to bed. Dorothy said she got up from

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<v Speaker 10>bed at one forty five to get a drink, and

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<v Speaker 10>when she she got close to Victoria's room, she noticed

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<v Speaker 10>the door was open and cold air was blowing into

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<v Speaker 10>the hallway. She went into her room and Victoria was gone.

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<v Speaker 10>I asked if she heard anything prior to realizing Victoria

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<v Speaker 10>was missing, and she said no. She thought she heard

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<v Speaker 10>a male voice earlier, and she thought she heard some commotion,

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<v Speaker 10>but she was half asleep and thought she was dreaming.

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<v Speaker 10>She says she's a pretty heavy sleeper. Donnie fell asleep

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<v Speaker 10>listening to his walk man, so he didn't hear anything.

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<v Speaker 1>About fifteen minutes after Detective Thompson speaks with Dorothy, the

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<v Speaker 1>canine unit arrives, led by Officer Dixon, an expert with dogs.

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<v Speaker 11>When Me and Copper arrived, we learned a young girl

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<v Speaker 11>was missing.

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<v Speaker 4>In nineteen eighty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Canine Officer Charles Dixon is on his third dog, Copper.

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<v Speaker 11>One of the things that makes it, So we're easy

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<v Speaker 11>for a canine to follow. A scent is the adrenaline

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<v Speaker 11>rush accentuates, So why don't you start the doll on

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<v Speaker 11>a particular scent. He'll follow that sent until he either

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<v Speaker 11>finds it or losing. Window was opening the girl's bedroom,

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<v Speaker 11>and the police believed she was taking out that window.

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<v Speaker 11>So that's where we start. Right away, Copper tractor sent

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<v Speaker 11>from that window, and I followed.

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<v Speaker 4>Officer Dixon says.

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<v Speaker 1>Copper led him to the bottom of the muddy hill

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<v Speaker 1>about fifty yards behind Victoria's house. There they find her

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<v Speaker 1>partially clothed, beaten body.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh, it was a very upsetting site. I mean, of course,

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<v Speaker 11>the worst case scenario, I'd hope Copper would help us

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<v Speaker 11>find Victoria alive, or you know, at least lead us

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<v Speaker 11>to a suspect. Of the two of them. Victoria's adrenaline

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<v Speaker 11>was stronger than the suspects, and unfortunately we were just

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<v Speaker 11>too late. We set word back to Detective Thompson that

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<v Speaker 11>we found the victim again.

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<v Speaker 4>Detective Marcia Thompson.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, it was just awful news. And her body

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<v Speaker 10>was found so close to her house and with her

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<v Speaker 10>mother and brother right there. When I told Dorothy the

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<v Speaker 10>tragic news. She was in shock and insisted on seeing

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<v Speaker 10>her daughter with her own eyes. I tried to talk

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<v Speaker 10>her out of it, but she demanded to see her.

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<v Speaker 9>So we walked.

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<v Speaker 10>Down the hill, and I mean you could see her

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<v Speaker 10>body in the distance.

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<v Speaker 12>God.

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<v Speaker 10>When we got there, the officer proved back the sheet

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<v Speaker 10>and Dorothy collapsed. She fainted. Thankfully, there were paramedics on

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<v Speaker 10>scene to help her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to believe Tatiana and I are right there

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<v Speaker 1>watching this tragedy full of before our own eyes.

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<v Speaker 6>I could not believe my sweet neighbor had been murdered.

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<v Speaker 6>She was such a nice, nice girl. My babysat her

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<v Speaker 6>a few times when her mom would run to the store. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 6>this one just about broke me.

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<v Speaker 1>Dorothy, Donnie, and Victoria's grandparents are eventually escorted to the

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<v Speaker 1>police station.

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<v Speaker 10>I had to refresh my memory with the police reports

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<v Speaker 10>about what happened next. Once the family left the scene,

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<v Speaker 10>I entered the house. I'll read you some of it,

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<v Speaker 10>it says. I walked in the front door. There appeared

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<v Speaker 10>to be no signs of forced entry. The living room

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<v Speaker 10>looked undisturbed. To the right was the kitchen, which also

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<v Speaker 10>looked undisturbed. On the table, there was a heart shaped

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<v Speaker 10>cake that I said, I love you, but most of

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<v Speaker 10>the cake had been eaten. Yeah, that cake hurt my heart. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 10>I'll keep reading.

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<v Speaker 9>I made my.

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<v Speaker 10>Way to Victoria's bedroom and it was cold because the

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<v Speaker 10>window was wide open.

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<v Speaker 9>It was February.

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<v Speaker 10>Victoria's room was a typical preteen girls room, posters of

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<v Speaker 10>Michael J. Fox from Teen Wolf, The Goonies, and Whitney Houston.

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<v Speaker 10>I remember when I walked closer to her bed, I

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<v Speaker 10>saw blood droplets which led to the open window, and

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<v Speaker 10>the drapes had been pulled down. That made me think

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<v Speaker 10>that Victoria was fighting her abductor as she was being

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<v Speaker 10>taken out of the house. I wasn't sure how the

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<v Speaker 10>perpetrator got in, but I was pretty sure how they left.

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<v Speaker 10>Hoped we'd be able to get some usable prints from

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<v Speaker 10>the window sill.

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<v Speaker 1>At the station, Victoria's family sits in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>interview rooms waiting for Detective Thompson to arrive.

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<v Speaker 10>Asking the family to talk about it with me so

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<v Speaker 10>soon after seemed cruel, but we couldn't waste any time,

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<v Speaker 10>so I asked, could they think of anyone who would

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<v Speaker 10>have wanted who may have wanted to hurt Victoria. Dorothy

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<v Speaker 10>and the grandparents said no, absolutely not. They couldn't think

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<v Speaker 10>of a soul who would want to hurt Victoria. They

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<v Speaker 10>said she was the most wonderful girl. She was kind

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<v Speaker 10>a good student, and she loved animals. But then fourteen

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<v Speaker 10>year old Donnie spoke, I can play the audio tape

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<v Speaker 10>part of his interview for you.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, Victoria told me someone was giving her a weird feeling.

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<v Speaker 12>She says she didn't like being alone with him. She

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<v Speaker 12>said it was someone in our family.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirteen year old Victoria Brown was abducted from her bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>in her own house, beaten, sexually assaulted, and murdered. Her mom, Dorothy,

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<v Speaker 1>her fourteen year old brother, Donnie, and their grandparents are

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<v Speaker 1>at the Mount Pine Police station talking with Detective Marcia Thompson.

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<v Speaker 1>And Donnie just dropped a bomb. Here's more of his

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<v Speaker 1>audio taped interview.

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<v Speaker 12>My sister told me that she had a strange feeling

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<v Speaker 12>being around. Someone asked for who, and she just looked down.

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<v Speaker 12>I asked her what that meant. Said she didn't like

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<v Speaker 12>the way this man looked at her, touched her. It

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<v Speaker 12>made her feel weird. She said, he gave her the

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<v Speaker 12>creeps and she didn't want to be along with him.

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<v Speaker 12>I asked her again who she was talking about. She

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<v Speaker 12>said it was uncle Martin.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, everyone started talking at once. Dorothy was yelling at Donnie.

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<v Speaker 10>Why didn't he ever say anything? The grandparents insisted there

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<v Speaker 10>was no way Martin would do anything to a young girl.

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<v Speaker 10>I had to call in another detective to help me

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<v Speaker 10>calm things down.

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Brown is Dorothy's brother in law, her late husband's brother.

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<v Speaker 1>He works at the Junior High School as a security guard.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where Victoria went to school. Around five am, police

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<v Speaker 1>go to Martin Brown's home and ask him to come

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<v Speaker 1>down to the station and he does, here's Martin.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 13>When the officers came to my door, I was getting

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<v Speaker 13>ready to go to bed. They told me my niece

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<v Speaker 13>was found dead and I was like, what, Victoria's dead.

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<v Speaker 13>But it wasn't just that they were notifying me. They

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<v Speaker 13>wanted me to come to the station with them. I

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<v Speaker 13>had no idea why. I thought maybe they thought I

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<v Speaker 13>could help find the killer. It was also hard to

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<v Speaker 13>process Victoria is dead and they want to talk to

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<v Speaker 13>me about it.

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<v Speaker 10>When Martin Brown arrived, I remember he looked disheveled. In

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<v Speaker 10>my notes, I wrote what he was wearing a light

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<v Speaker 10>blue work shirt, khakis, and work boots. He looked nervous,

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<v Speaker 10>but he also looked confused. I told him what happened Victoria,

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<v Speaker 10>purposefully leaving a lot of details out.

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<v Speaker 9>She got very upset.

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<v Speaker 10>I then wanted to know about his relationship with Victoria.

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<v Speaker 13>I told the detective we had a typical uncle nice relationship.

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<v Speaker 13>I supported her and everything she did. I went to

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<v Speaker 13>all of her soccer games. I stepped into a surrogate

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<v Speaker 13>father role after her dad, my brother died.

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<v Speaker 10>I then told him what Victoria had shared with her

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<v Speaker 10>brother Donnie, that she felt uncomfortable with him.

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<v Speaker 9>I asked him why he thought that would be.

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<v Speaker 13>I had no idea why Victoria would have said that,

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<v Speaker 13>and I was hurt that she felt that way. I'd

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<v Speaker 13>never done anything to a child, any child. I never

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<v Speaker 13>did anything to her. I wouldn't and couldn't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 13>come on, I had a daughter myself around the same age.

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<v Speaker 13>I had no answers for the detective. I did know

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<v Speaker 13>one thing. I didn't kill my niece. I loved her,

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<v Speaker 13>and I told the detective. I worked that night. I

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<v Speaker 13>worked security at the high school Valentine's Day dance, so

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<v Speaker 13>a lot of people saw me there. The dance ended

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<v Speaker 13>around eleven, but I was there until everyone cleaned up

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<v Speaker 13>and left. That was around midnight. Then I went home.

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<v Speaker 13>I told the detective I got home around twelve thirty,

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<v Speaker 13>and my wife could verify that, and the janitorial staff

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<v Speaker 13>could verify how late that I was at the school.

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<v Speaker 13>I didn't do it. I really wanted her to stop

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<v Speaker 13>asking me questions so I could go be with Victoria's

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<v Speaker 13>mom and brother.

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<v Speaker 10>So I had to verify his whereabouts, and I hoped

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<v Speaker 10>for this family's sake.

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<v Speaker 9>It all checked out.

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<v Speaker 1>By Sunday morning, police finished processing the scene. They dust

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<v Speaker 1>for fingerprints and take pictures both inside the house and

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<v Speaker 1>where Victoria's body was found outside, and they find no

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<v Speaker 1>signs of force entry. Tatiana and I never get to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep that night. When police come to her house, we

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<v Speaker 1>tell them what we know, which isn't much actually, just

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<v Speaker 1>that we heard screams sometime before two am, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was it. We didn't see anything at all. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>so bad that was happening so close to us and

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't know. We just didn't know, or we could

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<v Speaker 1>have helped.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm outside the home of an unthinkable crime which took

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<v Speaker 14>place last night. Thirteen year old Victoria Brown was abducted

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<v Speaker 14>from her own home and dragged out of.

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<v Speaker 9>Her bedroom window.

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<v Speaker 14>She was murdered and her body was found only fifty

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<v Speaker 14>yards behind her house. Police have no suspects yet some

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<v Speaker 14>of the families in the neighborhood worry this young girl

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<v Speaker 14>might be the victim of a serial killer who's been

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<v Speaker 14>terrorizing the Midwest for years.

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<v Speaker 10>So, starting back in the late seventies, the Midwest child

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<v Speaker 10>killer murdered four little girls, ranging in ages from.

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<v Speaker 9>Five to eight.

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<v Speaker 10>Now, those victims weren't from Mount Pine. One victim was

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<v Speaker 10>from our state, the others were from neighboring states. Yes,

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<v Speaker 10>some details were similar to what happened in the Brown case.

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<v Speaker 10>The killer would come in the house through an unlocked

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<v Speaker 10>window or door, usually during the summer months, abduct the

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<v Speaker 10>child always girls, and make them away from the house,

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<v Speaker 10>where he would sexually assault them and stab them to death.

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<v Speaker 10>Because there were some similarities, we called the FBI and

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<v Speaker 10>they said they'd send a team. Sure, we thought it

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<v Speaker 10>would be the same killer, or it could be a copycat,

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<v Speaker 10>or there could be no connection. Whatsoever. Personally, I didn't

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<v Speaker 10>think it was the Midwest killer. This case occurred in

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<v Speaker 10>the winter, Victoria was older than the other victims, and

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<v Speaker 10>the Brown House was locked up. No closer to finding

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<v Speaker 10>Victoria Brown's killer.

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<v Speaker 9>We called a press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>That Sunday night. There's a vigil outside the Brown's home.

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<v Speaker 1>I swear the whole town turns out. Even though I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know Victoria, I mean, she was three years younger

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<v Speaker 1>than me, didn't matter. It felt like we had lost

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<v Speaker 1>one of our own family members.

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<v Speaker 6>My heart broke for missus Brown and Donnie. My mom

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<v Speaker 6>brought dinner over that night. I mean, we didn't know

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<v Speaker 6>what else we could do.

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<v Speaker 8>I wanted to go hug them. Instead, we just hugged

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<v Speaker 8>each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Marsha Thompson is also at the vigil.

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<v Speaker 10>I kept scanning the crowd for anything or any one strange.

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<v Speaker 10>I didn't see anything that piqued my interest or looked suspicious.

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<v Speaker 10>It was so sad that poor, poor family. The next day,

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<v Speaker 10>it was a Monday, the coroner's office called with some

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<v Speaker 10>important information. Victoria's cause of death was strangulation. In my

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<v Speaker 10>notes from that it says I went back and reread

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<v Speaker 10>the interview I conducted, and the interviews the other the

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<v Speaker 10>other officers had conducted. It was then I noticed a

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<v Speaker 10>detail that didn't stand out to me before. It was

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<v Speaker 10>from an officer who attempted to talk to the residents

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<v Speaker 10>of eighteen seventy four Allendale Lane, seven houses down from

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<v Speaker 10>the Browns. The officer's notes stated, I knocked on the door,

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<v Speaker 10>but no one answered. I thought I heard some sounds inside,

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<v Speaker 10>so I knocked again again, no answer. I decided to

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<v Speaker 10>go to that house and try again to talk to

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<v Speaker 10>whoever lived there.

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<v Speaker 9>I knocked on the door.

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<v Speaker 10>The door opened with only a crack, and a man

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<v Speaker 10>with salt and pepper hair was standing in the living room.

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<v Speaker 10>I asked him his name. He asked why. Why, then

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<v Speaker 10>said I'm Frank Hartford.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm Frank Hartford.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in nineteen eighty six. Frank Hartford is a middle

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<v Speaker 1>aged truck driver. He's tall and burly, with a raspy

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette voice, a little rough around the edges, is putting

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<v Speaker 1>it nicely.

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<v Speaker 10>I asked him if I could come in and ask

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<v Speaker 10>him some questions, but he told me, in no uncertain terms, no,

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<v Speaker 10>without a search warrant, I couldn't come in.

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<v Speaker 9>Then he abruptly closed the door.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know how to explain it, but I had

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<v Speaker 10>a feeling. I had a bad feeling about him, so

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<v Speaker 10>I went back to run a Frank Hartford through the system.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Thompson learns the house on Allendale Lane belonged to

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<v Speaker 1>Frank's mother, who died two years before, and Frank's got

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal record. He had a domestic violence charge, which

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<v Speaker 1>was dropped in an animal cruelty charge for which he

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<v Speaker 1>pleaded guilty. He paid a fine and got probation.

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<v Speaker 10>I did some more digging and learned that Frank Hartford

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<v Speaker 10>had a fifteen year old son named Stephen. I called

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<v Speaker 10>Dorothy Brown, Victoria's mother, to see if she knew anything

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<v Speaker 10>about Frank or Stephen Hartford. Her reaction said everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Pine Police Detective Marcia Thompson is investigating the murder

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<v Speaker 1>of thirteen year old Victoria Brown.

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<v Speaker 10>I called Victoria's mother, Dorothy, to see if she knew

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<v Speaker 10>either Frank or Stephen Hartford who lived down the street,

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<v Speaker 10>and she said yes. Four months prior to her daughter's murder,

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<v Speaker 10>she caught the son, Stephen, breaking into a car and

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<v Speaker 10>she called the police on him. Dorothy asked, you don't

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<v Speaker 10>think he had anything to do with Victoria, do you?

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<v Speaker 10>I told her I was going to investigate some more.

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<v Speaker 10>When I hung up with Dorothy, I dove back into

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<v Speaker 10>our system and there was the car incident. Stephen Hartford

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<v Speaker 10>was arrested by juvenile detectives for breaking and entering in

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<v Speaker 10>a car and stealing the radio. He spent two months

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<v Speaker 10>locked up in juvie and it's on his permanent record.

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<v Speaker 10>He's still on probation. I wondered was there a connection.

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<v Speaker 10>Was Stephen upset with Dorothy for turning him in, but

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<v Speaker 10>to murder.

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<v Speaker 9>Her daughter over it? That seems pretty severe.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen year old Stephen Hartford is in the same grade

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<v Speaker 1>as Donnie, Victoria's older brother. Donnie and Stephen aren't friends,

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<v Speaker 1>but they ride the same bus to and from school.

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<v Speaker 10>I asked Donnie about Stephen, but he really didn't know

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<v Speaker 10>much about him. He didn't have any information that could

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<v Speaker 10>help us. I knew what I had was thin, but

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<v Speaker 10>it was basically a hunch, but a possible motive. So

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<v Speaker 10>I went to the prosecutor anyway, hoping we could get

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<v Speaker 10>a search warrant for the Hartford home based on the

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<v Speaker 10>position of Victoria's body. We've believed that the perpetrator spent

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<v Speaker 10>some time on his knees, so we were searching for

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<v Speaker 10>a pair of pants with dirt on the knees, and

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<v Speaker 10>of course any clothes with blood.

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<v Speaker 1>Police spend four hours searching the Hartford house but can't

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<v Speaker 1>find anything incriminating. Then in an old beat up freezer

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<v Speaker 1>in the garage they do.

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<v Speaker 10>We found a bag of clothes. There was a sweater

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<v Speaker 10>with what looked like blood particles. There was also a

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<v Speaker 10>pair of jeans with what looked like blood and on

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<v Speaker 10>the knees dried mud or dirt.

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<v Speaker 9>In the bag were socks and tennis shoes.

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<v Speaker 10>Those two had blood on them and the bottom of

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<v Speaker 10>the shoes they were caked in mud. And all those

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<v Speaker 10>clothes we found belonged to Stephen Hartford. In order to

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<v Speaker 10>arrest Stephen Hartford, we needed to know if the blood

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<v Speaker 10>on the clothes was victorious. Now, remember this was before DNA,

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<v Speaker 10>so we would just match the blood type.

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<v Speaker 1>During this time, police units have Stephen Hartford under surveillance.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want him fleeing or committing another crime.

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<v Speaker 10>Several long days later, the results came back. Victoria's blood

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<v Speaker 10>type matched what was found on Stephen's sweater, jeans, socks,

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<v Speaker 10>and shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost two weeks after Victoria Brown's murder, Stephen Hartford is

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<v Speaker 1>arrested and charged with first degree murder and sexual assault.

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<v Speaker 10>We picked him up as he got off the school bus.

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<v Speaker 10>He had no emotion whatsoever. At the police station. Tried

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<v Speaker 10>to get information from him, but he remained silent. He

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<v Speaker 10>wouldn't cooperate. His dad wasn't helpful either, And bear in

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<v Speaker 10>mind too, he was a juvenile, so we had to

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<v Speaker 10>go through.

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<v Speaker 9>A juvenile process.

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<v Speaker 10>We felt strongly that he should be tried as an adult.

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<v Speaker 10>The prosecutor felt the same way, and so Stephen Hartford

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<v Speaker 10>would be tried as an adult.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Thompson tells Donnie and his mother, Dorothy, their fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old neighbor was arrested for killing Victoria, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have very different reactions. Donnie wants to kill him, and

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<v Speaker 1>Dorothy cries and blames herself.

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<v Speaker 10>Dorothy Brown crumbled. She sobbed and crumbled. She said, if

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<v Speaker 10>she hadn't turned him in for breaking into that car,

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<v Speaker 10>her daughter would still be here.

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<v Speaker 1>When my friends and I learn of Stephen Hartford's arrest, well,

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<v Speaker 1>once again we are stunned. Not only was another young

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<v Speaker 1>girl murdered, this time it was at the hands of

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<v Speaker 1>one of our classmates.

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<v Speaker 6>They were both my neighbors, the Browns and the Hartford's.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, how was I ever going to feel safe again?

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<v Speaker 12>You know?

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<v Speaker 6>My parents actually took me to a psychologist after Stephen's arrest.

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<v Speaker 4>They were worried about me.

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<v Speaker 1>Six months later, the trial begins. Prosecutor Laura Wells tries

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<v Speaker 1>the case for the state.

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<v Speaker 7>I had no doubt that the right person was on trial,

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<v Speaker 7>furious murder. We had it all. We had motive revenge,

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<v Speaker 7>We had physical evidence, victorious blood on his clothes. And

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<v Speaker 7>we had more. We had doctor Marcus Summers, a geologist

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<v Speaker 7>who specializes in analyzing soil samples.

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<v Speaker 1>Prosecutor Wells gets me the audio tapes of the trial.

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<v Speaker 15>Doctor Summers, do you saw me swear to tell the truth,

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<v Speaker 15>the whole truth, and nothing but the truth will help you?

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<v Speaker 9>God, I do you may be seated.

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<v Speaker 16>So my expertise is in glacier movements, how the earth

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<v Speaker 16>was formed, and how that.

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<v Speaker 11>Soil is unique.

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<v Speaker 16>My colleagues and I can usually tell within a few

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<v Speaker 16>inches exactly where soil came from and the sample of

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<v Speaker 16>the source where the victim's body was found matched the

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<v Speaker 16>sample that we found on the pants of the defendant

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<v Speaker 16>in matched in color, mineralogy, and grain size, and after testing,

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<v Speaker 16>we concluded that there was a less than one percent

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<v Speaker 16>chance that this sample came from any other site within

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<v Speaker 16>one hundred miles.

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<v Speaker 1>Pathologist Michael Tappt, who performed the autopsy, also testifies Victoria.

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<v Speaker 15>Was manually strangled with direct pressure to the neck with

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<v Speaker 15>the fingers of a person's right hand. It would have

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<v Speaker 15>taken approximately three to seven minutes for Victoria to die.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Hartford never takes the stand, but his father, Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Hartford does. He testifies that his son was not capable

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<v Speaker 1>of sexually assaulting and murdering Victoria Brown. He says his

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<v Speaker 1>son was home during the time of the crime and

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<v Speaker 1>he has no idea how Stephen's clothes ended up with

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<v Speaker 1>blood and mud on them in a bag in the

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<v Speaker 1>garage freezer.

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<v Speaker 7>His defense was shit, he had no good sense.

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<v Speaker 1>After an eight day trial and only three hours of deliberations,

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<v Speaker 1>the jury comes back with a verdict of guilty. Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>Hartford is sentenced to life without parole.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you, Jerry for your service.

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<v Speaker 12>Today fort is a jury.

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<v Speaker 8>The trial was over, but it wasn't getting any easier.

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<v Speaker 8>Losing our friends and classmates like we were. It was

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<v Speaker 8>getting harder and harder to live and feel safe in

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<v Speaker 8>Mount Pine.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Stephen Hartford would be spending his life behind bars

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<v Speaker 1>and he couldn't hurt anyone else in Mount Pine. It

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<v Speaker 1>was all for what? For revenge because Victoria's mom turned

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<v Speaker 1>him in.

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<v Speaker 4>Was that really the reason he murdered Victoria?

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately we may never know, and I'm more convinced than

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<v Speaker 1>ever that we're cursed. It's actually baked into our soil.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time on The Murder Years.

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<v Speaker 5>He was the coolest, just a real kind person.

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<v Speaker 1>A popular teacher is murdered in his own home.

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<v Speaker 6>No one who knew him would ever want to hurt him.

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<v Speaker 4>Except for one person, and I swear in.

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<v Speaker 9>That moment his face changed right before our eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>The Murder Years is a production of AYR Media and

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<v Speaker 1>iHeartMedia Executive producer Eliza Rosen for AYR Media co executive

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<v Speaker 1>producer Paulina Williams. Written by Leah Rothman, directed by Michael Celtisch.

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<v Speaker 1>Original concept developed in partnership with Anne, Margaret Johns and

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Spring. Casting by Eisenberg Beans Casting Senior Associate Producer,

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Newman, Associate producer Jill Pushesnik. Editing and sound design

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<v Speaker 1>by Tristan Bankston, mastering by Cameron Taggie, Audio engineering by

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Jacobson. Studio engineering by Jay Brannan. Legal counsel for

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<v Speaker 1>a y R Media, Gianni Douglas, Executive producer for iHeartMedia,

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<v Speaker 1>Maya Howard. Performances for this episode by Gabrielle Carteris as

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Clark, Kelly Deadman as Tatiana, Borla Cassidy as Melanie Mari,

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<v Speaker 1>Silda Garcia as Carla, April Adams as Prosecutor Wells, Carolyn

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<v Speaker 1>Jania as nine one one caller Desiree Rodriguez is nine

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<v Speaker 1>one one operator, James B. Kennedy as Ethan Rooney, James B.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy as Young Principal Colombo, James Donahower as Pathologist Michael Taft,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse H. Hendricks as Lauren Collins, Joe Pachico as Martin Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Felice as Lance Simpson, Tom Virtue as Officer Dixon,

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Hopkins is doctor Marcus Summers, Tyler Hopkins as Judge,

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<v Speaker 1>Udonna Daniels as Reporter Number two Zachmas, Donnie Brown, Tudi

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<v Speaker 1>Roach as Detective Thompson. Additional voices by Alex Salem,