WEBVTT - Howard Busgang Meets World 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:31.600 This segment is brought to you by Samsung. Gentlemen, It's 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:40.240 finally happened, my manifesting, my dreams have come true. Well, 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.120 one of them has come true. As you guys know, 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:48.680 we regularly write down lists of things that we love 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.159 that we would hope to eventually have as a sponsor 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.360 of our podcast. And one of the things I have 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.920 written down for two and a half years is something 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.400 I am a fan of, have been an exclusive user 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:08.240 of for ten plus years, and that thing is a 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:09.480 Samsung phone. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.080 Wow, it's happened, and you're excited. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:19.400 Samsung is a I know my dreams are you know, 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:23.480 my dreams are real, manageable. They're not like I'm not asking. 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:24.840 By APM. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.320 With your Samsung phone. 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:33.240 Slowly mindlessly, Well, nobody talks to me, just leaving me alone. Yeah, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:38.680 I'm really excited about it. I always have just sang 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.559 the praises of my Samsung phone. Every time I've ever 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:50.720 taken a picture in any setting, people always says, are incredible. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.360 It was my favorite thing that on tour. Two things 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.720 that would happen that always made me laugh. One is 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.960 that when we would take photos with people in the 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.040 meet and greets, we usually get you know, someone turns 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.760 around the photo for us to see, for us to 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.600 give like photo approval, to make sure the guest is 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.000 happy with their picture. And every time there was a 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.480 Samsung photo writer and Will go wow, look at that camera, 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:13.600 and I go to SAMs on. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.960 It's starting with Actually Jensen was because you remember like 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:18.239 one of our first meet and Greece. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:19.080 He was saying the photos. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:19.400 Yes. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:20.680 I just kept seeing his face go. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.519 Wow, okay, nice, what is what is the deal? What's 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:25.000 going on? 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:26.720 And you explained it. Yeah. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.919 The second thing that happened was one night I said, 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.280 let's try to get us group selfie of the entire 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.160 audience and the three of us on stage, and we 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.960 all turned around and I held up my phone and 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.840 I was able to get every single person in there. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.200 And now with the new Samsung Galaxy S twenty five Ultra, 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.040 which is the one I have and I love, it 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.720 is an updated camera. There's now fifty megapixels, so the 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.040 detail of a group like ultra wide lens photo is 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.760 truly remarkable. So anyway, I just that's great. 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:02.520 I remember that night a little differently. 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There are very few crew 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.600 members we have said more times over the first five 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.599 seasons of recaps than Mark Blutman and Howard Buskang, a 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.200 writing team who joined the staff for season two. In 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.359 the Big April Kelly mix up, this pair traveled to 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.000 Hollywood from the Great White North and conquered Boy Meets World, 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:21.280 unlike any writers before them or after sixteen episodes, the 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.920 most from any writer during the run of the show 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.960 and over only three and a half seasons. Is the 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.960 type of output people fear when they talk about AI, 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.360 and yet these two humans somehow made it happen and 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.000 crafted some classic scripts in the process. We've spoken to 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.599 Blutman on Pod Meets World already, so today we have 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.520 the honor of completing the one two punch as we 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.440 finally sit down with the other B in B and 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:50.279 B's B and B. Who's afraid of Virginia Wolf Band 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.760 on the Run? Breaking up is really really hard to 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.200 do what I meant to say, This little piggy Happiest 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.560 show on Earth. Long Walk to Pittsburgh Part two, and 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.960 that is is only half of the scripts. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.760 Howard wrote, you said, Who's afraid of Corey Wolf? 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:04.920 Right? 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:05.120 Oh? 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:14.640 Yeah, he's surprise winning. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.599 It's great film to Romeo. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.120 And Juliet. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:30.440 Bible Communist Manifesto, some great stuff. 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.440 By by mouth say tong and Howard bust Gang. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:35.880 That would be. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.039 Okay, let me do that again. 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:40.839 I think we got it. 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:43.440 War. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.000 I can say this with all the confidence in the world. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.120 Boy Meets World is not the show you love without 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.680 the contributions of this writer. Welcome to the podcast. One 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.400 of the two most prolific thick writers in Boy Meets 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:07.839 World history. It's Howard bust Gang. Yeah there you are lost, 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.240 You there you are guys. Did you see that? Did 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:11.840 you see that? 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:14.320 The cool glasses? 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.520 The I am so much cooler now than when you 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:18.960 knew me. 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.560 Wow, I know we we have talked about. This is 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.120 my These are my dream glasses. And when I need 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.320 glasses that's what I'm doing right. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.280 Man's something that our lives are so different than they 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:33.240 used to be when now that. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.040 We were all like, he's got the whole apart glass. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.160 Yeah, so I'm selling these on my website. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:44.760 That's what were you about, night Grab I'm in. It 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.440 is such a treat to see you again, Howard. Thank 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:48.720 you so much for being here. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.240 Well, thank you for having me. I'm so excited to 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.360 be the seven and fifty six guests on yourself. 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.000 It's a very honored position. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.080 I know, I know listen and if I was you, 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.080 I'd be doing the same thing. I wouldn't have had 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.520 me on for the first six years either, So I 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.440 totally get it. I think Craft Service needed to be 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:10.760 on first. I get it. 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.560 Oh, we had more interaction with Craft Service. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.960 Than I'm with you, guys. 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.320 I don't need to know Craig better. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:26.160 I mean, I do want to start with one question, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.680 the amount of scripts you wrote? Did you sleep at 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.640 any point between nineteen ninety four and nineteen ninety six. 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.760 Well, that's great, it's it's uh. First of all, this 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.600 is this has been this little journey like being invited 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:45.360 on the show has been terrific for me. Because to 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.080 be honest, I don't really live in the like I 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.320 don't visit the past that often. I live in the 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.320 immediate future, like ten minutes. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.520 Mark, Yeah, ten minutes, Okay, it's great smart. 0:08:55.960 --> 0:09:00.240 Yeah, so I've gotten to Uh. I didn't even realize 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.440 how many we did, Like, I had no idea until 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:07.560 I kind of looked it up and I listed all 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.600 the shows. I watched a bunch of the shows, and 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:13.280 I'm not gonna lie. I became very impressed with myself. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.840 Yes I should, I was. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.240 I was like, really, I you know, I just didn't 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:25.600 know that the output. I didn't realize how much output 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.120 we did. Yeah, and I'm going this these these this 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:30.840 is funny, this is great. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:35.720 Yes, unbelievable, more than any other writers on On Boy 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:40.840 Meets World History, Like sixteen episodes in only three and 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.000 a half seasons. 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.200 Yeah, we were cut short in the in the in 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.680 the youth of our life, we cut it on at beneath. No, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:53.360 it's I'm so proud of it and again watching it 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.400 again and seeing that it holds up and it's it's 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.719 funny and it's emotion all the things I'm sure you've 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.280 talked about with the previous seven hundred and forty six guests. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:02.839 Yeah, we've talked about all those things. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.040 Yeah, all those things, so you. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:05.120 Don't need to cover those again. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.440 None. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.880 Thank you so much for being great. 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:10.760 Yeah, we get a. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.840 Deep dive of all your episodes with the Craft Service guy. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:16.400 We were really covered everything. 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.600 It was great. So I did ask if you slept 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.000 at all. But on a more serious note, did you 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.000 have much of a personal life during those seasons of 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.480 Boy Meets World or were you just in the room 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:29.480 all the time? 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:35.760 You know, when you're on an American sitcom because I 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.200 worked a lot in Canada after that, but when you're 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.680 on American sitcom, your life is the show. Yeah, you 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.800 really give up your life for the show. And I 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:49.080 think and for me, what made it really wonderful was 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.200 the camaraderie. I mean, you say, you know, in the 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:57.520 room and with these these these fellow writers and everyone 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.319 on the show, many of which are still in my life. Right. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.760 We used to say, Uh, Matt Nelson used to say, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.800 you know, every day we go to war and if 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.240 we only get we were in a minefield, and if 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.280 we only get our leg blown up, it's been a 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.800 great day. So you know, and you're making a sitcom, right, 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:18.920 you're making but you know what it's like, there's a 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:23.040 lot of a lot of uh moving parts. So the 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.080 fact that we bonded as a as a group and 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.439 as a team, and we've stayed friends. I think what 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:30.960 makes the extra special for me? 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.520 You know, I have to ask as a as a 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:39.120 television officionado and sitcom fan, how does that differ from 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.480 a Canadian sitcom? Is a Canadian sitcom just much more polite? 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.760 Much more polite? Yeah? You camera say we have no conflict, 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.479 so how was your day wonderful? 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.679 And they should walk in if anyone disagrees or right? Yeah, yeah, no, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.680 I mean is it that is an American sitcom that 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.240 different from a Canadian sitcomer? 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.520 Well, you know here here's yes, it's the Canadian sitcom 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.520 is more like the British sitcom system. You know, you 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:15.520 do eight right, Okay, you have five writers that kind 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.920 of thing, and you have fourteen dollars to make the shelf, so. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.360 The right, and it's Canadian dollars. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:22.559 So that's not dollars. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.439 That maple syrup thing is real. I'm sorry, it's a 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.960 twenty dollars bill. That is a real thing. So do 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.160 you guys know about this. No, the Canadian maple, the 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:36.440 Canadian twenty dollars bill smells like maple syrup. Hmmm, And 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.720 there's a people are saying, Oh, that's it, that's not true, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:39.880 or it wasn't done on purpose. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.920 It absolutely smells maple syrup. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:44.960 Yeah, I'm not here to disagree with you. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.280 Thank you exactly because I'm a Canadian. 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:48.160 Because I'm Canadian. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.480 Well, let's start with your origins back in Canada. Most 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.880 of your early work on TV was actually in front 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:55.000 of the camera. Is that true? 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.719 Yeah, I was a I was a stand up for 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:02.839 about twenty years, so I I did that. I never 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.280 had a job. I mean that was in college. I 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:11.120 started doing stand up and started in Montreal, moved to Toronto, 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.679 and actually in Montreal's where I met Mark Bletman, who 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:21.360 became my writing partner. Yea, and moved to Toronto. You know, 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.520 I had a very respectable career, I'm going to say, 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:31.640 and that's what brought me to Los Angeles to be 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.760 a sick to be a comic. Okay, yeah, yeah, and 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.520 I did that. I love that. But it was one 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.559 of those things where at the time, even then, I'm 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.320 like an old jew. I was like, already at twenty, 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.280 I'm going, I don't want to do this when I'm forty. 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:49.760 I got too much already. I couldn't. It was already 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:50.240 too much. 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.559 Yeah was this the Was this the eighties? 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.280 I'm just curious? Is this the eighties in LA? Like 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:55.920 that's just my whole kind of stand up scene? 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.000 Yeah? Yeah, I moved in eighty eight to Los Angeles? Okay, yeah? 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:00.480 Wow? 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.320 Could you describe what your character was or what your angle? 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.440 Did you have like an approach or was it just 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.840 kind of you being you as a stand up? 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:14.480 Is this not good enough? Like? Is this not? 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.720 I know Bluodman had like a wrestling going and like, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.480 so I'm very curious how you guys like where you 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.920 were coming from, because I can't imagine you being in 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.800 a wrestling mask or anything of that. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:27.360 ILK. 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.360 So yeah, no, but there is there is a There 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.120 was a moment when he was first doing the wrestling thing, 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.760 and I thought, oh, it would be fun. I'll play 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.600 the manager and I you know, whatever a manager wears, 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.200 you know, a bad suit and a big gold chain 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.280 with a probably a thie on it, you know, something 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.640 like and as somebody gave me a cigar and I 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.680 he put this cigar in my mouth and I didn't know. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.640 You're not supposed to win haal cigars. 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:53.200 Jesus. 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.520 Yeah, no, you know where this is going. So I 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.120 was inhaling scar and I passed out. So that was 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:04.520 was my manager rule. That was it. No, No, I 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.720 I did not. I was the I was the I'm 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.400 the lonely jew. I guess as what? Okay, yeah, that 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:11.800 was good. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.360 So you co created We Don't Knock, which is a 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.360 prank show for the CBC. I did, and Canadians are known, 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.000 as we talked about, for being wildly polite. So I 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.400 need to know two things. One, what is the craziest 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:27.600 prank that you pulled off? And did everyone just say sorry, 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.720 sorry sorry once the cameras were revealed. 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.360 Okay, no, that's great question. So two things. First of all, 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:38.160 it was an incredibly critically acclaimed show for its time, 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:43.640 and it was a precursor to kind of uh you know, 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.320 kind of these yeah, these barging shows that came later. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.720 But it was two things that happened. One thing was 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.240 it got It was incredibly acclaimed, but it also got 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.840 pulled off because CBC didn't like the fact that we 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.560 were barging in homes. Even though the name of. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.080 The show was real No, I don't knock right. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.880 Yeah, they didn't quite get that, but the title guys. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:03.600 Wow. 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.160 But the best one I which was actually the most heartfelt. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.440 I went to a high school reunion in somewhere in 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:15.080 Manitoba and everybody who is like their sixtieth reunion and 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.640 they were all, you know, eighty years old, seventy years old, 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.400 and I was thirty years old. And I walked in 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.880 and I pretended to be one of the people who 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.080 was reunion. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.000 Oh that's kind of great. 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.800 Oh it's so sweet, you know, bow up, how are you? 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.560 It's been so long? My god? Is this erma? You 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.720 guys were dating? This is Oh my god. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.080 Did you do research ahead of time so you would know, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.720 like how what they are, who they were, and how 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:41.360 they were related. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.000 No, unlike you, I'm not professional, so I could not 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.280 do research. I just went and they had name tags 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.800 so that helped. It was just it was beautiful. So 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.400 that was probably my you know, that was kind of 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:56.280 a special moment that we all post for a class 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.000 photo at the end. Oh my gosh, it was really. 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.640 Did any one say to you you look amazing or 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.960 did anyone say I don't remember you? 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.439 Sadly, I think they thought I fit in, so I 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:15.159 don't know I told you. I guess yeah, I. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:21.359 Oh my gosh, you get so you mentioned that at twenty, 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.080 being a comic just felt already like I don't want 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.080 to be doing this when I'm forty. When did writing 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:27.440 become your goal? 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:37.080 Uh? We we I went to do a showcase stand 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:41.679 up showcase at the laugh Factory and it was a 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.640 good showcase. But maybe THEE executive saw it and said, 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.160 you know, this guy would make a good writer. I didn't, 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.200 you know, I didn't know that. You know, I didn't 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.480 know how to be writer. I knew how to write jokes, 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.359 but I wrote a quickly. I wrote a script for 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:57.399 an episode of Coach. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.680 I don't know if you yes, I loved that show. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.840 Yeah, yeah, it was fun show to write, but you know, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:04.720 not knowing how to be a writer, I probably wrote 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.280 it in six hours, you know, like you don't you 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.160 just start going, oh my god, this is the funniest 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:14.160 thing ever. And ABC, you know whatever. They it was fine. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:18.560 But actually Mark read it, Mark blettmant and he said, 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.560 this is this is really good why don't we write togegether? 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.320 And that's what got us on track to writing. We 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.000 then somehow got on a show called Good Advice was 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.960 Shelley Long, which was her first show after Cheers. Okay, 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:39.280 and we got on that show, which was amazing for me. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.320 It was I mean, this was a dream trunk come true. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:46.120 At Canaane guy, You're on a sitcom in La. At 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.760 the time, I only had one car, which my wife 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.480 and I split, so I had to take the bus 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.719 down Venture Boulevard to where Mark would pick me up 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.320 and take me down to the studio in Culver City. 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.159 I was probably the only sitcom writer on a bus 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:03.760 in La. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:04.840 Amazing. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:06.840 Wow, Mark wouldn't come pick you up. 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.440 He would not. Okay, it was nice, which is probably 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.600 the reason we still don't write. Okay, we don't write 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:13.240 that does Yeah? 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.320 I again I have to ask as as the television guy. 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:21.040 So there's famous stories obviously about Shelley Long leaving Cheers, 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.880 how she left everything behind her leaving. What was it 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.720 like working with her on her first show after leaving 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:28.960 a show like Cheers? 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:37.120 Okay? So in twelve months we did nine episodes. Ooh, okay, 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:43.720 they fired everybody several times they kept us because we 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.680 were too we would didn't cost them anything. They called 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:47.760 us the cockroaches. 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.560 Oh my god, to your face. 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.080 No no, but they didn't call us to our face. 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:56.440 But we had we had a you know, we had 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.000 an office. I can't believe I'm talking about this. We 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.200 had an office with an adjoining room next to whoever 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.360 was the executive producer. And we okay, this I shouldn't. 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:06.000 This is horrible. 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:07.560 Oh please, you. 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.399 Would kind to lie on the floor under the crack 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.080 and listen to what was going on so we can 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:17.320 hear them talking about us, you know, approaches. And but 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:22.639 the thing is they were all fired and we stay. 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:25.480 Yeah they don't. They just they don't die. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.159 They just they were always there and they're load to 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:29.800 the ground. 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:34.560 And that was an experience the show. 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.920 Yeah, we stayed on that show, you know, the whole time, 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.920 even when they were off whole episodes. And it's funny. 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:45.159 The one time we went out, like somebody said, why 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.200 are you staying in your office? No one's there, go out. 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:48.719 We went to a movie, like we went to a 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:53.080 movie in Santa Monica, and I think at the movie 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.439 we ran into the casting director, like what why what 0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.520 are you guys doing here? You should be you know, 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.200 I don't know what a cast director was doing. 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:02.480 Yeah, exactly. 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.040 So that was our first experience. And then we we 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:07.760 went and did a show in Canada for a year, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:12.080 and then we got we we got a call from 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.680 Michael Jacobs and uh I met him and he seems 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:20.120 somewhat impressed. He clearly had very low standards, and he 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:20.920 brought us in. 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:22.679 So what was the connection of Michael. 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.520 Was it just an agent or a manager call, or 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:26.320 was there somebody? 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:28.880 I think I don't know. Mark would Mark, Mark would 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.080