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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Kylee Forber and welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, Welcome to The Philly Show with Ruben Tomorrow, Junior,

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Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury. I'm Todd So Lucky. Brought to you by

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Speaker 2: the Foul Territory Network. It is bye week this week

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Speaker 2: for the Phillies. They will play Game one of the

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Speaker 2: NLDS on Saturday. And so how do we fill a

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Speaker 2: week without baseball? Well, we bring on some entertaining guests.

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Speaker 2: And who is more entertaining to talk about the Phillies

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Speaker 2: than Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley spends his summers in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: watches the Phillies play. He's a legit Phillies fan, and

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Speaker 2: so we wanted him to come on and talk about

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Speaker 2: the Phillies, talk about baseball. And of course we went

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of different ways, but Charles was tremendous

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Speaker 2: with his time, a lot of fun. You are going

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Speaker 2: to enjoy this, Charles Barkley. Everybody, Charles Man, thanks thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us. We really appreciate this. We know you

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Speaker 2: are a big Phillies fan. We we know you've been

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Speaker 2: on you were on the TBS pregame show. I think

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Speaker 2: last year talking about the Phillies Diamondback series.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about this?

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Speaker 3: You know, it was crazy because I went over to

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Speaker 3: the hotel they asked us was standing directly across the

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Speaker 3: street from my house, and so I went over there

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Speaker 3: every night to see the guys and hang out with

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Speaker 3: Boa and Bull and those guys. It was pretty It

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Speaker 3: was pretty cool because you know, obviously Boa and Loziski,

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Speaker 3: those guys are more closer to my era. But it

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Speaker 3: was nice to see the young guys. And man, I'm

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Speaker 3: so proud of their success. They've done a fabulous job

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Speaker 3: the last X amount of years and I'm really pumped

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Speaker 3: looking forward to going to the playoffs next week.

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Speaker 1: Will you be joining? Will you be joining in Philly?

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Speaker 3: It depends, It depends, like uh, because, like I say,

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Speaker 3: it's about time for me. I just came back out

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Speaker 3: to Arizona because you know, my daughter got me under

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Speaker 3: the gun right now Ruby, because man, it's so damn

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Speaker 3: hot out here right now. But my daughter moved my

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Speaker 3: two grandkids out to be close to the old Geezer

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Speaker 3: and uh smoke and I played golf yesterday. It was

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Speaker 3: like one hundred and fifteen degrees. That was one of

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Speaker 3: the stupidest things I've ever deems I've ever made in

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Speaker 3: my life. Hey, we teed off at seven o'clock in

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Speaker 3: the morning. It was like ninety by by eight thirty

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Speaker 3: it was like one nine, one ten. I was like,

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Speaker 3: this is one of the stupid decisions I made a

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Speaker 3: long time. So that's it, brother, No more golf until

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Speaker 3: the templar.

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Speaker 1: To give a little hundred.

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Speaker 2: Who do you like on this Phillies team?

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Speaker 3: Well, I tell you the guy Alex Bone number one.

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Speaker 3: His RBIs He's had a hell of a season. But

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Speaker 3: my favorite player. And I mean obviously everybody loved Bryce

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Speaker 3: because he's a stud. But I love Kyle swarbur Man

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Speaker 3: what he's did to his body. Going back on he

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Speaker 3: was with the Cubs and he made the decision to

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Speaker 3: transform his body. Uh, and it's just been incredible because

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Speaker 3: it kind of not compared.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to compare it.

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Speaker 3: That's not fair, you know, because when I was a

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Speaker 3: fat ass when I first got to Philly, not calling

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Speaker 3: Kyle of fat ass.

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Speaker 1: Now say, you know how I know how to I

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Speaker 1: know how it works.

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Speaker 3: By the time this gets up, by the time it

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Speaker 3: gets on television, Charles Barker called Kyle Swarbur fat.

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Speaker 1: But what's really interesting.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I got to Philly, I weighed three

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Speaker 3: hundred pounds and Moses told me I was fat and lazy,

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Speaker 3: and he got on my cage and made me lose

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Speaker 3: fifty pounds and the rest is history. And I remember

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Speaker 3: reading about Kyle. I think it started when he was

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Speaker 3: in Chicago. He said I want to redo my body,

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Speaker 3: and he redid his body. And he's been a great

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Speaker 3: addition to what he's accompanied the last X amount of years.

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Speaker 3: So I'm using it in that context. Hey, let me

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Speaker 3: tell you something about it's probably I mean, I'm so

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: My favorite Phillies player all the time is probably Darren Dalton.

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Speaker 3: And I was, you know, I had just taken over

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Speaker 3: team and say, guys, we got to pick it up.

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Speaker 3: We're not holding the Phillies tradition. We're not holding it

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Speaker 3: for the Phillips standards. You guys, we all of us

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Speaker 3: got to play better. We're not doing a good job.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. And then I can't remember the announcement.

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Speaker 3: Come on, said, man, what a great leader. So I

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: By the time I woke up the next day, it

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Speaker 3: said Barkley bad mouthed teammates, and I said, holy shit.

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Speaker 1: This guy was a great leader.

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Speaker 3: Twenty four hours ago I played the rized his entire

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Speaker 3: speech about we gotta do better, everybody on this team's

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Speaker 3: the daily lost at Barcley Bashard's teammates, I'm like, you're held.

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Speaker 1: To a different standard. Charles held Hey, do you remember

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Speaker 1: do you remember you.

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Speaker 4: Said when you were working out and he's transformed your body?

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Speaker 1: Do you happen to remember this?

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Speaker 4: Because I think it is the very first time we

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Speaker 1: Do you remember Greg McCready's Oh yeah, Do you remember

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Speaker 1: that gym that we used to work out at? Oh yeah?

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Speaker 3: Because I started out and places like like that before

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Speaker 3: Pat Croachey came into play, you know, because you know,

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Speaker 3: I was one really cool I love Philadelphia. It's a

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Speaker 3: great city. And what's interesting, I have stayed. I got

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Speaker 3: and now I got a condo. I stayed within fifteen

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Speaker 3: which is crazy because I've always lived in Balakanwood Norbrik

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Speaker 3: when I played for the sixth we practiced at Saint Joe's,

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Speaker 3: which was amazing. But I tell you, man, I just

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Speaker 3: got it. People ask me why I live in Philadelphia

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Speaker 3: during the summer. I said, man, I just think Philadelphia

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Speaker 3: is an amazing city.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 3: They got some great restaurants, I got some great friends.

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Speaker 3: So I just love the city period.

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Speaker 5: Charles that that Darren Dalton's story is awesome. Did you

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Speaker 5: ever have the opportunity to meet him and tell him that.

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Speaker 3: Oh many times? Many times? You know, obviously, rest in peace. Uh,

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Speaker 3: such a good dude. But I hung out with him

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Speaker 3: a ton of times.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know that.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously this is a great time to be

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Speaker 3: the seventy six ers, I don't want to come in

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Speaker 3: all three are legit, legit World Champion contenders. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it was pretty It's a great time to be a

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Speaker 3: you look at the Eagles last year. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what happened last year, but then you got my seventy sixty.

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Speaker 3: We've had a great summer. They got a great player

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Speaker 3: in Joel. Getting Paul George is a tremendous accomplishment, and

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Speaker 3: so man, it's a great time. But the point I

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Speaker 3: want to make you go back, the Phillies had great teams.

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Speaker 3: We had good, solid teams. Man, my favorite coach probably

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Speaker 3: all time, Buddy Ryan had the Eagles and those guys,

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Speaker 3: Jason Kelsey, which was really cool to hang out with

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Speaker 3: Kelsey because you know, I'd heard great things about Kelsey,

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Speaker 3: be honest with you, but I never met Jason, and

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Speaker 3: I'd always wanted to meet him. But I'm only in

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Speaker 3: Philly three months a year, and obviously he was busy

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Speaker 1: But we could go play some.

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Speaker 3: Golf, and man, it was really you know, when you

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Speaker 3: meet somebody and people say they're a great dude, when

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Speaker 3: they live up to the hype, it's really cool. And

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Speaker 3: it was really awesome to hang out and play golf

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Speaker 3: with him.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. Gad.

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Speaker 2: You know that this this time of year, you're right

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Speaker 2: when the when the when a Philly team is winning.

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Speaker 2: It's such a great place to be. It's it's great

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Speaker 2: to be at Citizens Bank Park right now. And and Charles,

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Speaker 2: when the team is going well or there's a big

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Speaker 2: moment in the game, you're on the scoreboard quite often,

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Speaker 2: hyping up the crowd, doing one of those hype videos.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when you shot that? And and what

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Speaker 2: do they tell you? What's the instruction there? Just just

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Speaker 3: The scream as loud as possible. You know what it's like, Todd,

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Speaker 3: It's like making a subway commercial. I was like, they're

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Speaker 3: very interesting. I tell you this quick story about subway.

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Speaker 3: The first time I made this subway commercial, I called

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Speaker 3: my agent. I says, this is stupid a ship I've

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Speaker 3: you normally, I said, I'm shooting commercial. You do what

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Speaker 3: you're reading about it, like, go faster, scream louder. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. Okay, okay. They're like, no, go faster,

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Speaker 3: And they're screaming at me, dude, you can't go fast enough.

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Speaker 3: And I will tell you it's turned into an amazing

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Speaker 3: relationship because when you shoot though.

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Speaker 1: When you see that, when you hear do you hear

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Speaker 3: I'm screaming fast, going fast, and it works in the commercial.

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Speaker 3: But the first time I shot that commercial, I told

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Speaker 3: me this is stup of the shit I've ever done.

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Speaker 3: And it's turned into an amazing relationship. So to answer,

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Speaker 3: your question when they're like, because I did it. I

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Speaker 3: think like five or seven times they're like, no, louder,

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Speaker 3: see it, it turned out really well, and I'm it's all.

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Speaker 3: It's man, Philadelphia means a lot to me and anything

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it plays so well. People do get fired

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Speaker 1: Well you know it.

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Speaker 3: And and the thing that's funny when I'm doing subway,

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Speaker 1: You know she does a fabulous job with the Phillies. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I need a new playoff edition shirt, and please don't

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Speaker 3: send me that ugly blue thing, whatever the hell that is.

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Speaker 2: You're not a fan of the City Connects.

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Speaker 3: you know what's great. I've seen them wear them a

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Speaker 3: The cream colored ones, no, the just the regular going

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Speaker 1: Think of you'll think which one old? Yeah, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Jim, you know what I mean? I do? He

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Speaker 5: No, No, we're from the same generation. And I love history, Charles,

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Speaker 5: And Hank Aaron was born in Alabama, and Manty Irvin

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Speaker 3: job at Augusta National. Yes, hey, hey, hey, Rue, I'm

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Speaker 1: It was like I was in a room.

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Speaker 3: And as far as Willie Mays, I got an opportunity

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Speaker 1: And man, but Jim, you said something interesting.

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Speaker 3: I want all these young guys who make it all

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Speaker 3: Bless them. I'm not the old Get off my long, guys.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you're making all this money, but you should

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Speaker 1: Bless y'all. Bless y'all. But let me tell you something.

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Speaker 3: Always go back when I when when I tell people man,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: He's been a great friend. He's been a great mentor.

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Speaker 3: And I tell people, man, go back and do your history.

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Speaker 1: Everybody on the field.

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Speaker 3: You know about Mike Schmid, Greg Louzansky, Steve Carlton, Dick Allen,

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Speaker 1: But we can make well.

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Speaker 3: They can make all this money today and we should

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. It's something that was important to

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Speaker 4: We did that a lot in the minor leagues, Charles,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool.

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Speaker 3: And Number one just important because let's be honest, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about NBA players.

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Speaker 3: Some of these guys can't play dead in a Western

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Speaker 1: They're all good players, don't get me wrong, but.

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Speaker 3: They're not good enough to be making twenty five thirty

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Speaker 1: So I've been on the bandwagon way longer than this.

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Speaker 3: All the Super Bowls later and the one thing we

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Speaker 3: I went out and gave them everything I had every night.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff.

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Speaker 4: That's all they That's all the Philly fans want.

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Speaker 1: They It's all about effort.

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Speaker 4: That's something that I think you'll see pretty much on.

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Speaker 1: A nightly basis in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 8: You can't cheat.

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Speaker 4: The Philly fans.

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Speaker 1: Really different here, Charles.

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Speaker 5: Are the fans different here or is that?

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Speaker 5: I think they're in the Northeast. They're all pretty intense,

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Speaker 5: Are fans different Philadelphia?

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Speaker 3: Well, Jim, I was getting ready to I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: They demand that you give one hundred and ten percent,

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Speaker 3: I guarantee that you're gonna have to move.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's.

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Speaker 2: Possible to change a when a player comes in. We've

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Speaker 2: bad stretch. Is it possible to talk to somebody like that,

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Speaker 2: them to kind of accept how tough Philly is? Or

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Speaker 1: Todd.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good question. Everybody can't handle it.

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Speaker 3: It's not for everybody. And I've had this conversation with

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: That's not going to end good. And I remember telling Sean.

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Speaker 3: She got to sit there. She gotta take it. She

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Speaker 3: He would get two files the first quarter every game,

437
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: which is impossible, which is impossible. And finally me and

438
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: Rick Mahorn like pulled them aside, Yo, man, what the

439
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 3: hell is your problem? And he looked at us with

440
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: a straight faced guy and says, man, I just can't

441
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: take your abuse. I can't take it if I get

442
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 3: two quick files, y'all take me out the game and

443
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 3: they don't say anything to me, and we were kind

444
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 3: of shocked, and I says, what do you mean? He says, man,

445
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 3: there's talking about me they're talking about my family, They're

446
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: talking about my mom, my dad and everybody. Blah blah blah.

447
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: They'll call me every name in the book. So I

448
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 3: came up with a strategy, which is sad that he

449
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: felt this. He said, I just go get get two

450
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: quick files, y'all take me out the game, and they

451
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 3: don't say anything else to me. And so, you know, Todd,

452
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: to answer your question, everybody can't play in Philadelphia or

453
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: New York or Boston.

454
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just not for everybody.

455
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 3: You can't be thin skin, uh, your family can't be

456
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 3: getting into it with fans in the stands.

457
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: So man, it's not for everybody. That's a great question.

458
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: Now you're a social media where they can get you

459
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: on Twitter, they can call you a litte.

460
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: One of the you know, I asked ly.

461
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 3: Just got social media because I bought a distillery in Alabama.

462
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: Oh cool, Yeah, because I.

463
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 3: Wanted to own business in Alabama so to give people

464
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 3: jobs and economic opportunities. So I bought a vodka and

465
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 3: jendicce early like three year ago. So I just got

466
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: social media. I had always avoided social media because it's

467
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 3: the arm pit of America.

468
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: What I thought it was.

469
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 3: I thought it was the mpit of America. It might

470
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 3: It's one every loser behind the keyboard, got an opinion,

471
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: got to be mean, gott to be nasty, which I've

472
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: never understood that philosophy. I don't mind people having an

473
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 3: opinion or you disagreeing with people, but how you go

474
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: from zero to sixty where it's got to be really mean, really.

475
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 1: Nasty, I just have never understood it.

476
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: I tried to stay away from that and only talk

477
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: about my products and things like that and what I

478
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 3: got coming up. But man, these players today, I would

479
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: tell them stay off the internet. And I think one

480
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: thing that's really hurt the players even more is the

481
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: gambling aspect, because I've heard now that these guys are

482
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: getting criticized they don't get X amount of points, X

483
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 3: amount of rebounds, and I'm like, wow, I'm glad I

484
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 3: didn't have that type of scrutiny when I played, but

485
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 3: some of they. I see some NBA players talking about

486
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: they're getting death threats and things like that, but they

487
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 3: don't have X amount of points and rebounds and I'm like, WHOA.

488
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: So I'm so glad I didn't play during the social

489
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 3: media era.

490
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Speaker 5: Scary yeah, the scambling thing is scary because like you

491
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 5: wonder what's next, because nothing ever goes backward, it always

492
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 5: goes forward. Here now it's it's it's you know, big

493
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 5: revenue source for all these leagues, and what is next?

494
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: And could it get ugly?

495
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna get ugly, Jim. First, you know, first

496
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: of all, make it clear. I'm a gamblet degenerate. I

497
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: don't want to get on here and act like I'm

498
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 3: anti gambling. I love to gamble. I love to gamble.

499
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: I do.

500
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: But some of the stuff that I see now, it's

501
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: scary to me that you can sit on your phone

502
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 3: and bet who's gonna score the next basket, whether guy's.

503
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: Gonna make both free throws.

504
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: I was like, way down that is that is you

505
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 3: are real. I'm not you might have if you're betting

506
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: on the if of whos gonna score the next basket

507
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: or if a guy gonna make two free throws. Like

508
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 3: I said, I want to be clear, I'm a gamblet

509
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 3: degenerate and I love it, and I'm gonna keep gambling.

510
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: But man, I don't even do that.

511
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: I don't sit there and say who's gonna score the

512
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: next basket off, a guy gonna make two free throws,

513
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: like I know in y'all business.

514
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: Uh I watched golf sometime.

515
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 3: They're like, you can bet if somebody's gonna make a

516
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 3: birdie on this whole h you can met it in

517
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: your business, like a guy gonna get a hit.

518
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's my first and four ene.

519
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 4: And this was years ago.

520
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: In Venezuela.

521
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 4: They were literally every single pitch, whether it's gonna be

522
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 4: a fastball or curveball, a ball, a strike. I mean,

523
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: every single pitch was being bet on whether or not

524
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 4: the umpire is gonna roll the ball onto the mound

525
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: or if it's gonna roll off. In between innings when

526
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: they threw the ball out there, you know, I mean,

527
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: kind of crazy stuff, but this is the way.

528
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: In the world. But the answer jams point.

529
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: It's kind of like this thing that we screwed up

530
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: college sports with his ni l and things like that.

531
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: Uh it, we have ruined college sports the way we

532
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: know them. She just thought, as one kid, they promised

533
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 3: him one hundred thousand dollars and renegged on it, and

534
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: they're undefeated in the top twenty. And he's like, I'm

535
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 3: not playing y'all promise me one hundred thousand, which is.

536
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: Chomp change apparently in that business. I don't know. I

537
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: hate an I am.

538
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: Personally, But so these kids are never gonna go back

539
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: and say, hey, you know what, I'm gonna play for free.

540
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: I was making millions of dollars, but I'm gonna play

541
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: for free. Now that's never gonna You can never put

542
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: the toothpaste back.

543
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: In the dude.

544
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: But to answer your original question, Jim, it's gonna get

545
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: worse and I don't know how you can fix it.

546
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: I really don't, because man, people are going to gamble

547
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: and I don't even know how you would regulate it

548
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: at this point.

549
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: Great point, Yeah, it's Charles. Charles. So you were a

550
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: basketball player.

551
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: Tell me was there any other sport like if you were,

552
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 4: if there is any sports that you could have played?

553
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: What's well?

554
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: You know, being from the South at Alabama, small town leads,

555
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: you got really one of the big three. Basically your

556
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: school gonna have baseball, football, and basketball.

557
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: That's it.

558
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: And I played football one day, rude, and I realized

559
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: these people are fucking nuts.

560
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I.

561
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: Remember sitting there, my fingers are bleeding, my head is heard,

562
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: and I'm down and I'm dirty and nasty.

563
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: I got grass things.

564
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: Everywhere, and I got my head down because I'm physically exhausted.

565
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: And the coach says, I'll see y'all tomorrow. I said, wait,

566
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: we got to do this again tomorrow. I said no, no, no, no,

567
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: no no no. So I took my time and wait

568
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: to everybody left, and I say, hey, coach, I appreciate

569
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: the opportunity, but I'm not doing this shit ever at

570
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: Burn and he said what do you mean? I said,

571
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: I just ran full He put me a defensive tackle

572
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: and I said, I just ran full speed into a

573
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: guy for two hours and I didn't get anything out

574
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: of it but beat up. I don't know what he

575
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: got out of it. But I'm not doing this all

576
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: the time. This is the stupidest thing ever. And so

577
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: I played the football, And this is the true story.

578
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: I played football at one day and all of a sudden,

579
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: I said, hey, let me try this basketball thing. And

580
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: what's really ironic about the basketball thing. I wasn't any

581
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: good at basketball. I was a five to ten backup

582
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: point guard. And I have zero idea what happened. The

583
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: next sung went home for the summer, and I came

584
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: back and I was six five, And what's really weird

585
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: that people said, Man, did you feel your body? Did

586
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: you feel your body hurt and your bones aching? I'm like,

587
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: I didn't actually feel anything. I got back to school

588
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: and the coaches tall of you, I says, I don't know.

589
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 3: He says, when you left for the summer, you were

590
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: five ten, five eleven. He said, how tall are you now?

591
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know who goes around kicking their.

592
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 9: Height in a small town in Alabama. All I all

593
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 9: I'm doing is playing playing rocks, which is the stupidest

594
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 9: shit ever. If y'all ever played rocks, you just throw

595
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 9: rocks at each other.

596
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: That when you're in a small town, you play marbles.

597
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: You probably know what marble, but rocks is. You just

598
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: hide behind trees and throw rocks at each other. That's

599
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: how stupid it is when you're in a small town.

600
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Yet, probably no snow, so it'll be like a snowball

601
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: plight with rocks.

602
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: Dude, we don't get snow in Alabama.

603
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: Did you play baseball at all growing up?

604
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: Or at all?

605
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: Like no, because I know I saw you take VP

606
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: at the ballpark in system Bank Park in twenty sixteen,

607
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: he took some VP.

608
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: Is that when you do that stuff?

609
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: No, that's not fun because you know, one of my

610
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: great friends is Rick Cliff and he was screwing around

611
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: and they were throwing curveballs at my head and I

612
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: was back in the dugout. They just came right across

613
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: the plate because I you know that curveball is dangerous

614
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: and when you hit the thing was crazy. When he

615
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: would throw me a fastball, I could hear the mid

616
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: hit then I would swing.

617
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, this is a hard sport. It

618
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: was so crazy.

619
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: As I was like, I think I can hit some pitches,

620
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: he like, you can't chuck. You can't be cause I

621
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: took him golfer that day and it's weird. I could

622
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: hear a split sucking before I swung the bat. I

623
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: could hear the mid hit. I was like, dam this

624
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: thing is And this wasn't even like a real pitcher.

625
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: I forget. I want to say, Doug de Vincenzo. He

626
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: was like a shortstop pitch. Yes, yes, but no. I

627
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: never played baseball, man, but thank god, I grew from

628
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: five ten to six five in.

629
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 5: One year and got lucky so in your you know,

630
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 5: your experience is taking some batting practice with the Cubs

631
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 5: and then the Phillies.

632
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: Do you do you agree with.

633
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 5: The widely held observation that hitting a round ball with

634
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 5: a round bat is the toughest thing to do in sports.

635
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: It's right up there with hitting golf balls because of

636
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: hitting a golf ball is hard, which is well, baseball

637
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: is probably harder first and foremost because that ball is

638
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: actually just sitting there in golf. But to hit it perfectly,

639
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: which Jack Nicholas said at one time, he said I

640
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: only hit. He says I only have about ten percent

641
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: of shots I hit perfectly, and he's like the second

642
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: greatest player in my opinion, after Tiger. He says, I

643
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 3: only hit ten percent of perfect shots. Can you can

644
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: imagine how it is for us hacks. I mean, we

645
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: probably hit one solid shot or two solid shots per round.

646
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: But I love the game. It's amazing.

647
00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: But all the sports are different, Jim. Because the football

648
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: is my favorite sport. It takes tremendous courage to go

649
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: out there. I tell people, I've said it for years.

650
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: Boxing and football are my two favorite sports. Football is

651
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: one Boxing's one aid because if you step on a

652
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: football field, you better be all in committed, And if

653
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: you step in a boxing ring, you better be all

654
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: in committed. You can cheat in other sports, but when

655
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Speaker 3: you go on a football field or you go in

656
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: a boxing ring, something bad can really happen to you.

657
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: But it's for a person talent standpoint, Probably hidding a

658
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: baseball is probably one of the hardest things, if not

659
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Speaker 3: the hardest thing to do.

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Speaker 1: In the world.

661
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: Now everybody's hitting a hundred or throwing a hundred.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, that cause they damn idiots, Todd, I just

663
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Speaker 3: had you don't seriously, you know. One cool thing about

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Speaker 3: my job is like when we're in Atlanta for the playoffs,

665
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Speaker 3: I got Wayne Gretzky is sitting with me doing hockey

666
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Speaker 3: in the same we all sitting around. I got Paedro Railroad,

667
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Speaker 3: Jimmy Rollins and Curtis Granderson, and I got a bull

668
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Speaker 3: uh I forget his name, bench Paul Busin that and

669
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Speaker 3: me and Shaq and Ken. We're all sitting in the room.

670
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Speaker 3: We got three studios that are right together. And Patro's

671
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: thing is because I really want to know about other

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Speaker 3: sports always, I try to because I don't never want

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Speaker 3: to be one of those idiots who go on other

674
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 3: networks and not like y'all know what a good picture

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Speaker 3: is or a good hitter.

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Speaker 1: What's a good hockey player?

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Speaker 3: I asked those guys, and Patri's like, Patrick, why are

678
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Speaker 3: all these guys blowing out their arms?

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00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: He says, they're a bunch of idiots, Chuck.

680
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: They all out here trying to throw as hard as

681
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: they can on every pitch. And I say what, He says,

682
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: there's a reason there's more injuries to dayan it's ever been.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to throw the ball one hundred miles

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Speaker 3: an hour every pitch, he says. You look at some

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Speaker 3: of the greatest players ever, he says, and he said,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be humble.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna count myself.

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Speaker 3: You look at Maddox, you look at Glavin, you look

689
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Speaker 3: at guys like that, he says. The guys didn't throw

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Speaker 3: the ball one hundred miles an hour every play. He said,

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00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: go back, and he says, if these guys would learn

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Speaker 3: how to pitch instead of just rearing back and throwing

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00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: as hard as they can every pitch, they wouldn't break

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Speaker 3: down as much. And so that's why your point taught about. Yeah,

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00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: these guys just go out there and just throw it

696
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Speaker 3: as hard as they can every single play. And I'm like,

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00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 3: that's like a basketball player. Like, yo, man, I don't

698
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Speaker 3: jump as hard as I can every single time. Like

699
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: there's no traffic around me, I'm not gonna get hit.

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00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ease and I'm not gonna go full power.

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00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: Like if I'm in congested traffic where i can get

702
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: hit knocked on ballots, I'm gonna jump as hard and

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Speaker 3: be as strong as possible.

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Speaker 1: But if I'm by myself, I'm gonna kind of just

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Speaker 1: ease it.

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Speaker 3: You can't tail, but I'm not going down and exploding

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00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: as hard as I can. You gotta have some common

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Speaker 3: sense as a as a player.

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Speaker 1: H Amen, Amen, Charles.

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Speaker 5: If I wanted to ask you about expectations on a team,

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Speaker 5: on a good team and whether they can engulf a team,

712
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Speaker 5: because this Phillies team, I mean, this is a baseball podcast.

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00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 5: This Phillies team has huge expectations, a huge payroll, big

714
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 5: star power, playoff experience. Now they're going back. The feel

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Speaker 5: in town is you gotta win one of these can

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00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 5: can expectations like that eat up a team and cause

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Speaker 5: it not to perform at peak level.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes. To answer you a question, how do you

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Speaker 1: avoid that? How do you avoid not?

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Speaker 3: You know, there's nothing you can do about it because

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Speaker 3: there's a double standard. And Rube know this from playing.

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Speaker 3: There's only in the NBA there's eight teams. No, that's

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Speaker 3: too many. There's six teams that can win the championship.

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Speaker 3: They're just trying to get through the regular season because

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00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: having the best record during the regular season or being

726
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: a high seed don't mean jack. They're like, we have

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Speaker 3: to win the championship or our seasons of failures, it's

728
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: a great thing to have. The Phillies are in that

729
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: boat gym. They've been there probably there's probably the third

730
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Speaker 3: or fourth year like we got to win the World

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Speaker 3: Series or our seasons not a success and it can.

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Speaker 3: I actually give them credit because I think right now

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Speaker 3: they got a one game over the Dodgers, if I'm correct,

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Speaker 3: I was looking at that last night.

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Speaker 4: I think the Dodgers a half game or one game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, but so I think they handle the expectations.

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Speaker 3: But Ruben knows this first hand.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: When the playoffs start, that's when the pressure is really

740
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: ratchet up, because one game, two games, it's over I

741
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: mean it is over. You don't get hit or you

742
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 3: get a guy who pitches ass off in one game,

743
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: the pressure is really on you. It's on you all season,

744
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 3: but it really ratches up. And the Phillies are on

745
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 3: the Phillies, the Dodgers, trying to think the Yankees, they're

746
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Speaker 3: probably if y'all can name it anymore, they're probably the

747
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: only three teams in baseball in my opinion, always say,

748
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Speaker 3: in my opinion, they have to win the World Series

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Speaker 3: or the seasons not a success.

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Speaker 1: Is there another one, Rubiny? Probably not?

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Speaker 4: Probably not, Okay, of those three teams, You're probably right

752
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 4: about those three teams that.

753
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: They have to win the World Series or people like

754
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: they underachieved. Those are the only three teams. Like if

755
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: the Guardians, if they get to the World Series or

756
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: win a Cup round, it's a great season. Like last

757
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: year the Diamondbacks incredible, incredible series.

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Speaker 1: They had a great year.

759
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: But I don't think most people think they're getting back

760
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Speaker 3: to the World Series this year.

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Speaker 1: Uh, but then.

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00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: Going forward they gonna be like, hey, y'all, guys got

763
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: to win the World Series. So it's that pressure is

764
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: immense and it's yes, Jim, is it can you have

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Speaker 3: to have a bunch of guys who gonna like they're

766
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: like I say, the Phillips have handled the pressure they've

767
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: gotten through the regular season, and now presser just ramps

768
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: up in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever find yourself when you were playing your

770
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: down two zero in a series, how do you not panic?

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Speaker 3: Well, you can't panic until you lose a home game.

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00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 3: Baseball's different, number one. But when you down to Zip,

773
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: you just sending yourself, guys, we just got to get

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Speaker 3: these next two.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you got to get game three.

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00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 3: If you get game four, all the pressure goes back

778
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: to that team is home because they know they gotta

779
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: win game five. They know they gotta win game five

780
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 3: because if they if they lost them, they won them

781
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: first to and lost them next to. If they lose

782
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: game three, they're not gonna win game six. Excuse me

783
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: that they lose game five. They're not gonna win game

784
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: six on the road. So when you're down to Zip,

785
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, don't panic. We're good. They they we

786
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: call it. They helped. They had the home court for

787
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: a reason. They earned that. Now we got to get

788
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: these next two. That's all you're thinking about. That's all

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00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: you're thinking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Charles, thanks a lot man for the time.

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00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: We appreciate and that we'll see, if we'll see, if

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00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: you'll talk listen.

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00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do trying to do as many things

794
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: as I can because I got to put you know,

795
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: we're gonna get fired out the next year, so I'm

796
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 3: trying to get all this stuff to put on my

797
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 3: LinkedIn profile.

798
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: Charles, if you want to work on yours, Charles, if

799
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: you want to put the Philly Show on your LinkedIn

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00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: we would be we would be all about it, believe men,

801
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: Tod you know I was.

802
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: I've been joking with my friends. They're like, what are

803
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: you gonna put on your LinkedIn profile? You ain't never

804
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: had no real job. I said, well that's a really

805
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: good point. What's your what's your work experience? I'm like, Ship,

806
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: i ain't never had a real job. So I I

807
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: got to figure out what I'm gonna put on my

808
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 3: LinkedIn profile out the next year.

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Speaker 1: But I hey, Rubens.

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00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: Since I ay tied and Jim, no disrespect Rubin, I'm

811
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Speaker 3: gonna put you on my resume.

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00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 4: Okay, you can use me as a reference anytime.

813
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: My friend. Okay, go ahead.

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00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 5: When when you're in Atlanta in the studio with Gretzky,

815
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 5: I mean, Charles Barkley, Wayne Gretzky, do you guys ever

816
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 5: walk over the Varsity and get a couple go a

817
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 5: couple of hot dogs, a couple of hamburgers.

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00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: No, no, you know no, but we make up for

819
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: it with the alcoholic beverages. You know. Hey, I love Hey.

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00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. You cannot drink with Canadians.

821
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: That's what that's bad for your brothers. The Canadians can

822
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: put they got like real alcohol people. They got the

823
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: Bats and most and this got like real alcohol content.

824
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 3: I said, yo, man, I'm out here drinking bud Light

825
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: and Ultra and things like that. It's got like eight water.

826
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 3: You grab a few of them Moslims and Labats. You're like, man,

827
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: this is good, but it's dangerous.

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Speaker 1: That's tremendous child.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again, man, we appreciate it.

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00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: Hey, my pleasure. Guys, y'all take care of youself. I'll

831
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: see y'all doing the playoffs.

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00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: Thanks again to Charles Barkley for the time. That was

833
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. I am positive you guys enjoyed

834
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: that one. He is so much fun to talk to.

835
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Speaker 2: We will be back later this week. We've got more

836
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: guests coming. Specifically, we've got the Armantani Brothers. They are

837
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: the guys from Northeast Philly. They went to Holy Ghost

838
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: Prep and they are the DJs that have constructed this

839
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: post game win Clinch playlist that you heard blaring in

840
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 2: the Phillies Clubhouse on Monday night. Uh, lifelong Phillies fans.

841
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: I thought it would be fun to have them on

842
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: it and talk about that experience and just being kind

843
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: of part of what the Phillies there Armantani Brothers and

844
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: what Phillies fans hope will be a very long, fun

845
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: month of October, maybe even stretching it into early November.

846
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: So look for that episode later this week, and also

847
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: look for more Phillies talk from Ruben, Jim and I

848
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:23,279
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00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,400
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