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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily a body here coming to you live

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Speaker 2: And I feel like a week or two ago, I

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Speaker 1: And so I think for me what helped in college

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Speaker 1: when I felt like I wasn't part of the team

437
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 1: when I was injured. Not that you wish ill on

438
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: other people, but usually there's someone else that's injured at

439
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: the same time. And so if you can find one

440
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: partner to like cross train with, like to go out

441
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: and like bike ride with and then go get brunch afterwards.

442
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Speaker 1: It's not the same thing as doing like a long

443
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: run and like getting brunch. Like I'm not going to

444
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: say like I love like cycling as much as I

445
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: love running, because I definitely don't want. But you know,

446
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: like it just like it gives you something. It gives

447
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: you like a good enough replacement, a temporary replacement to

448
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: get out and get like yourself moving and knowing like

449
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: just remember it's like it's only temporary, like you are

450
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 1: going to get backgrounning. You're going to get back working out,

451
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: like it doesn't last forever, so kind of keeping that

452
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: in mind and just having like one I've always been

453
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: a person that really only needs like one or two

454
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: other like close friends to do things with, and I'm

455
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: like pretty happy with that if I have someone else

456
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Speaker 1: to connect with. So if you can find someone else

457
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Speaker 1: that like wants to meet up, and I don't know

458
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: what other forms of cross train you can do, but

459
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Speaker 1: like a lyft to go or something.

460
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Speaker 2: Like, it's yeah, I don't know whatever. And I also

461
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: feel like you can like make a date to just

462
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: do something right.

463
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's to be exactly. Like that's the.

464
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: Thing like we because we like identify in this way.

465
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: It's almost as though it's like, well, well least people

466
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: want to do like other things with me, Like oh yeah,

467
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 2: you know. And it's funny because like you almost like

468
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 2: have a moment of pause where you're like, can we

469
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: do these other things? And it's like, yes, you can

470
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: do other things. You can. I mean we've already listed brunch,

471
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: but like even just like walking around the neighborhood or

472
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: like like pick a place that you've never been to

473
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: before that you want to like go both go like

474
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: try out if hiking is in your in your wheelhouse,

475
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 2: like you can do something like that. Finding a way

476
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: to still stay engaged with your people just because you

477
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: may not be able to do the thing that you

478
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: were doing before is like it's just critical.

479
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Speaker 1: One of the silver linings, although I don't love being injured,

480
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: is that I have been able to I have extra

481
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: time now that I don't usually have, so I've been

482
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: able to do things with family and friends I like

483
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to do otherwise, so like it

484
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like cross straining, like you can

485
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: meet up with people and go like get brunch like

486
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: we said, or yeah, just like do anything. I don't know,

487
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: to do a pottery class or something.

488
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Speaker 2: Something like that. I remember for me when I so

489
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 2: I started to navigate my recent injury like on my

490
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: own in that I started to seek out expert opinions

491
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: when something fell off and I hadn't said anything and

492
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: had been like a week or so maybe on like

493
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: the socials, right, and so I finally like decide, I'm

494
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: like I'm going to fill them in that like something's

495
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: going on with my body. And I kind of did

496
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: this twice. The first time, I was like, I'm just

497
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 2: going to rip the band aid off and I'm going

498
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: to go live and just be like I don't know

499
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: what's going on with my body, but I'm dealing with

500
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: this thing. Whatever, Well, let me tell you when I

501
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: want to go do that. I was like hysterical, like

502
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: I was not emotionally equipped for like how I was

503
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: going to feel, because I felt like in that moment

504
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: it started to finally feel real for me, like I'm

505
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: going to have to let all these people know, like, hey,

506
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: something's up, and like you've probably noticed that I haven't

507
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: been like maybe living in the way that you're used

508
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 2: to seeing me kind of live my life. But I

509
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: just want to let you know because I know many

510
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: of you struggle with this as well when it came

511
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: to sharing with your following about the fact that you

512
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: had been navigating with this kind of wonkiness for a while. Now,

513
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 2: talk me through that experience and how that felt for you.

514
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because if I hadn't committed to New York,

515
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: I actually probably just wouldn't have said anything. It is

516
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: probably would have felt like a bit unnecessary because I

517
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: was able to get to the Olympics and compete still

518
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: and I still was really happy with my performance. I'm like, like,

519
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound cocky, but I'm proud of that. Like,

520
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of that. So if I, like, I

521
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: wish I could extend in my season one more race,

522
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: but if I hadn't committed to New York, I probab

523
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't said anything. So at the time, I remember thinking, though,

524
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: like it probably is good to share this stuff, Like

525
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: it doesn't come naturally to me. It's not like my

526
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: first thought, but like, I don't know any runner that

527
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: this might be a double negative. I can't think of

528
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: a runner that hasn't dealt with an injury at some

529
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: point in their career. So, and it can, like I

530
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: think you mentioned earlier, it can feel like a lonely

531
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: experience when you're going through it. And so just to like,

532
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe no, you're not the only one

533
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: out there trying to find answers trying to get back running.

534
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: Who's kind of dealing with like training like normal? Uh,

535
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: Like maybe that can be a good thing to share that.

536
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: And I think that I remember when we recorded the

537
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: first time, you talked a lot about how you were

538
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: like trying to become a little bit more like open

539
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: and vulnerable. Yeah, and social media. So I would imagine

540
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: that in these instances when you do open up a

541
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: little bit more, it's probably met with like a really

542
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: great response. But then it's like every time you, like

543
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: you read a DM or you deal with someone, it's

544
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: like you have to continually keep processing like your feeling.

545
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I could see that. I've been so

546
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: bad with dms lately. I need to get that going

547
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: through them. But yeah, that's true, yeah, and that is

548
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: part of the heart. I think that is one of

549
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: the hard things about opening up is because I have

550
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: had a lot of people ask me for like advice

551
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: on like knee injuries because that's what I have. And

552
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: the thing is, everyone's actually so different, So I'm like,

553
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: I can speak from my personal experience, but just because

554
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: this works for me doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna work

555
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: for you too, because if that was the case, like,

556
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: no one would ever have a knee injury because we

557
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: know all the answers, or.

558
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be like all flocking to different like physical therapists.

559
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 2: And I mean this point is just so important. I

560
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: like have very I have like the most random injury

561
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: right now, and that we think it's like a deep

562
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: so as muscle strain, like it's like it's bizarre. But

563
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: someone else like reaches out to me and they're like,

564
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: I've been having pain in my lower right abdomen too,

565
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, I'm not qualified to say anybody,

566
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: do please go speak to a physician, have someone touched,

567
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: get your hands on your body and like and really

568
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: feel it out. Because again, we're all such individuals and

569
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: it's something but I will also say this, I get

570
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: a lot of messages, and I mean, I'm sure with

571
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: you as well, Like most of my following is women

572
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: and from the women that are in a place where

573
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: that maybe they are on the injured list and they're

574
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: frustrated that they can't move their body and they're a

575
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: little worried about like how that's going to affect them

576
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: in the long haul. I kind of liked where you

577
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: were coming from just now. You were like, this is

578
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: just the chapter in my story and it happens to everyone.

579
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: I mean, any advice to those individuals that are like

580
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: frustrated with feeling stagnant.

581
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in the moment, it always feels like

582
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: the biggest deal in the world, But then it's so

583
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: interesting think of like a time you were injured like

584
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: a year or two ago, and like remember how that

585
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: felt going through it, and now looking back on it, it

586
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: just seems kind of like a blip, like and you're

587
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: like radar screen. And so not to downplay like it

588
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: is tough and it's emotionally like hard, especially when you

589
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: can't do the one thing like you love doing. But

590
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: just remember, like and I feel like I've been the

591
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: sports so long, like I can step back and be like, Yep,

592
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: there are highs and lows in it. It's like the

593
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: most cliche thing to say, but it's true. And so

594
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: if you're on a low right now, just remember what

595
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: comes next, because like it's just it's part of it.

596
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: It's part of the whole journey. It's part of not

597
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: sound cheesy, but it is. I know so many people

598
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: actually who've had some other highest ties after their lowest lows.

599
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard conversations and I've had them

600
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: with people where they're like, oh, I nearly quit the

601
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: sport a year ago, and now like I'm so glad

602
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: I didn't because like I just ran a pr I

603
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: just like finished my first marathon. I made the Olympics, like.

604
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: And like, these high moments can come in so many

605
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: different forms, right It's interesting. I mean, like, for example,

606
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: I was listening to a podcast this morning with Slane

607
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: and Slaine's talking about how right now a high for

608
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: her is like appreciating running in a whole new way.

609
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: And this appreciation of running has nothing to do with

610
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: like getting another Olympic medal or it's just like a

611
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: new appreciation of running with friends and like seeing in

612
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: a new way and experiencing it as a mom and

613
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: it's like, how cool is it that, Like we can

614
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: frame our perspective like that, Like we can take these

615
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: upswings after a dramatically low moment, a hurdle if you will,

616
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, right now, I have the opportunity

617
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: to experience this in a way that maybe is different

618
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: than before, but frame that in a way that can

619
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: really be giving back to me in this moment.

620
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, feels like a relationship, like with running, that just

621
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: evolves over time. Your perspective and approach can change over years,

622
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: and it's a I think a very positive thing when

623
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: you can step back and look at it like that, like,

624
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: oh wow, like I'm enjoying in this whole like new way.

625
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, perspective for sure, fresh perspective is always helpful.

626
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: So for you, now that you may be about to

627
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: get back into the swing of things, I think it's

628
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: a really good opportunity for us to talk about maybe

629
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: not taking on too much too soon, which can be

630
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: the thing that we're like tempted.

631
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: To do exactly.

632
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So for you, like, what will easing back

633
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: into the swing of things really look like.

634
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: Well, I will ease back in when my like I

635
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: have like a team of people. It's like three people

636
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: that I rely on, and when like we're all kind

637
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: of in agreement, like yep, it's like it's time you're

638
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: ready to ease back into it. I'll like get everyone's

639
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: like advice and opinions and then yeah, it'll just kind

640
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: of be like day by day, week by week seeing

641
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: how things go. But it is like nice, how I

642
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: said earlier, how I do always have my husband there

643
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: because if like I remember once I tried getting back

644
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: running and I was like doing a workout, I'm like

645
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: I feel okay, and Shean's like, no, like you should stop.

646
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: So if I have Shane there being like oh no,

647
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: like there might be a fuel kings we need to

648
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: work out still, Like, like I take what he says seriously.

649
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: So I have people I rely on that I'll just

650
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: kind of use them to kind of gauge how quickly

651
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: I get back into things if we need to take

652
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: steps back or if it's just like full speed ahead.

653
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: Long answer, just rely on my sports team.

654
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Shane the chiropractor and who else my coach? Okay,

655
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: got it. It's uh, it's interesting because again, like someone

656
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: listening to this maybe more of an average Joe like me,

657
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: like doesn't have like, you know, the stellar support squad

658
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: in every aspect that you do. But here's this and

659
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, so maybe I should seek help. You

660
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: see a chiropractor. Have you ever? Is there a reason specifically,

661
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: like for the chiropractor over maybe going to a physical

662
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: therapist or like how did you find this relationship?

663
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? So his name's John Ball. You probably have heard

664
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: him mentioned on a bunch of podcasts. I feel like

665
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: every professional runner's probably seen him. But yeah, he I

666
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: mean he's technically a chiropractor, but he does a lot

667
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: of like like physical therapy, like strength work. Like I

668
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: get like my whole like strength routine from him, Like

669
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: he kind of helps me figure out what my weaknesses are,

670
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: what I need to work on. And yeah, I don't know.

671
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: I just feel like he's had I've had the most

672
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: success like working with him, and so I'm so many

673
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: professional runners, so he's kind of like this behind the scenes. Yeah, man,

674
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: that just like helps a lot of us.

675
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: Right now, we talked about easying back into the swing

676
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: of things. Obviously we're here in New York, marathon weekend.

677
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: This is tabled for now. What do you kind of

678
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: foresee coming down the pipe for you?

679
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to do another marathon for sure, So

680
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: I think either this spring. I could wait until next fall,

681
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: but I kind of like i'd love to do one

682
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: in the spring. I don't know which one yet because

683
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: a lot of like the typical spring marathons, like I

684
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: know London's actually not happening in the spring, or that

685
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: would have been a fun one to do again, but

686
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: I heard that's in the fall next year, So yeah,

687
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think probably spring marathon. I'd like

688
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: to run some fast halves, but hey, I'm not totally

689
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: done on the track, but I think I am done

690
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: with like full track seasons, so I might like hop

691
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: on for like usays here there. But yeah, I think

692
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of shift my focus to the

693
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: roads for the most part, and yeah, just see what

694
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: I can do there.

695
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: Man, shift your focus to the roads. When you say

696
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: a fast half marathon, just like give them some insight

697
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: as to like how fast your half marathon is.

698
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to go after the American record again.

699
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: Molly's I was like one second off of it in Valencia,

700
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: and I remember like when I crossed the finish line

701
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: saw that I was like, what one second over like

702
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: an hour and like seven and a half minutes, Like

703
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: that's crazy.

704
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: One other thing that I wanted to kind of rewind

705
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: and ask you about, obviously this year with the Olympics

706
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: being on like other Olympics in years past, with everything

707
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: that's going on in our world on top of that,

708
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: for you arriving there, having a little odd of a

709
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: build up for the last few weeks before beforehand, A

710
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: lot of athletes spoke about how lonely that experience was

711
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: at times because we couldn't see, they couldn't travel with

712
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: their conventional teams. For you navigating this injury at that

713
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: time and kind of being there without the entire support squad,

714
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 2: how was that?

715
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually, you know it worked out, Okay, I like

716
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: talked to pretty much my support squad every day, so

717
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: that helped. But yeah, I'm used I work with my

718
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: coach Ray remotely anyway. He lives in Providence or he

719
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: lives in Rhode Island and I'm in Arizona, so I'm

720
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: like used to working with him remotely. But then I

721
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: talked to my husband Shane and I talked to my

722
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: chiroprector John too while I was there a lot, so

723
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: I was constantly in touch with people, just like keeping

724
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: tabs on things. But then I did have help from

725
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: people in Tokyo that I wasn't expecting, like my last

726
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: like workout, which was like all my workouts were like

727
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: baby workouts. They were like two or three rops of

728
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: a workout, but my last workout in Tokyo, like Joe

729
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: Bossard was there for it, which was really nice. He's

730
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: like here, I'll like time you and he even took

731
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: some videos, which was nice so I could send them

732
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: to like to my chiropractice so he could look at them.

733
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: And then like on race day, like I remember like

734
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: Chalaine actually and like daythan both like helped me out

735
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: with things like my like ice best randomly went missing.

736
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: I like I can find it from the cooler, and

737
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: like I didn't have anyone there because we'd try to

738
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: see if my husband could go, but it was very

739
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: strict with all the COVID, which like is understandable, but

740
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: I didn't have anyone there, but like a lot of

741
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: people like it was kind of nice, like like helped

742
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: me out and like you said like I didn't, like

743
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: maybe a few years ago, I would have felt bad

744
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: asking for help, but I was just really thankful and

745
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: I sent like just somethinky messages afterwards to people like Hey,

746
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: thanks for that. I appreciated it.

747
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I think, I mean, I think also

748
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: like this is another example of having to like reframe

749
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: your perspective and accept like how things are now right,

750
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: because it could have been like really easy in that moment,

751
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: like be frustrated, like why isn't anyone here with me?

752
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: Like why am I the one that's like navigating this

753
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: alone and like other people have like somehow managed to

754
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: have a coach here or whatever. But instead to pivot

755
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: and like just accept this and you're like, well, this

756
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: is how it is.

757
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah it is. And I'm also like I am

758
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: used to having to travel to some races alone anyway,

759
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: and ideally, like it would be nice if I always

760
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: had like a support team there or sport person there.

761
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: My husband actually is he's planning on traveling to more

762
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: of my races and now he's taking a little bit

763
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: of a step back from work to help me with that.

764
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: But but I am kind of used to it at

765
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: the same time, and I know, like I'm people of

766
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: doing a lot on my own, and I know also

767
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: when I need to lean on people for help.

768
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: So I feel like a lot of individuals struggle with

769
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: that though, right, like getting good at doing things on

770
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 2: their own.

771
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I kind of just didn't know any

772
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: different when I like kind of graduate from college. I

773
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: was kind of doing a lot on my own for

774
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: the first couple of years, Like I overlapped with Molly

775
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: a little bit here and there, but I was pretty

776
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: I was pretty much on my own for a lot

777
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: of it. And then when Shane started helping me with

778
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: workouts and like travel and stuff, I was like, wholl

779
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: this makes a huge difference. I can never not have

780
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: you or someone doing work. Yeah, Like it does make

781
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: a difference having a support team. But I think because

782
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: I didn't really know any different at first, Like I like,

783
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm less flustered when I am somewhere I'm stuck somewhere

784
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: on my own, I kind of I know what to do.

785
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: When you look at the last I would say, like

786
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 2: four or five months kind of in the thick of

787
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: what you've been going through, anyone, has anyone given you

788
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: any advice that you keep coming back to.

789
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: But I do feel like over the years, I've just

790
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: collected a lot of advice, yeah, dealing with injuries just

791
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: in general, and I do feel like this one I've

792
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: had the healthiest approach with in that I'm like less

793
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: stressed about it. And maybe it's easier because I had,

794
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: like I am really happy with the year I had,

795
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm thankful for everything my body was

796
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: able to do for me in twenty twenty one, So

797
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: maybe it was a little easy to like step back

798
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, this shouldn't be completely shocking

799
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: that after a year training at like a high level,

800
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: my body needs a bit of rest. But yeah, I

801
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: think I don't know, just like constantly reminding myself like

802
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: this is temporary, yeah, and then just I'm viewing it

803
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: like how I kind of like picture it in my

804
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: mind right now. I'm like I'm just recharging, like I

805
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: am just like right now getting ready to go, Like

806
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this downtime with my family, like spending time

807
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: with my husband, and I'm trying to make the most

808
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: of it. I'm very intentional with my time and when

809
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm like getting treatment or when i'm doing my strength routines,

810
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: Like I'm paying attention and I'm listening and trying to

811
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: make sure I'm kind of getting things down right. But yeah,

812
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm just like getting stronger. I'm just

813
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: biding my time and I'm trying to learn too, and

814
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: then when it's time to go, I'm just gonna I'm

815
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: gonna be so excited.

816
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: I think, like one of the best things that you

817
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: hear from individuals who have overcome injury often they say

818
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: that they utilize that time to work on something else

819
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: that they hadn't been giving that focus while they were

820
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: quote unquote in their best form. So like right now,

821
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: for you, maybe strength training in a way that you

822
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: hadn't been over the last like handful of months, or

823
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: taking the time to like again like spend time with

824
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: family or whatnot. It's like all of these we have.

825
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: We have so many buckets in our life, and like

826
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 2: oftentimes it's easy to like keep pouring into like bucket

827
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: A and bucket B, but then you forget to pour

828
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: into CD and exactly when you're injured, it's like, oh, shoot,

829
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: now I like actually can put some stuff in CD

830
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: and E and realize maybe going forward that you can

831
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: do some more of that more often, even if you're

832
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 2: given giving to the first two buckets.

833
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: I didn't put that better, that's so true. But to

834
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: all of that, yeah, I think for me, the hardest

835
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: part with my job, I think is like missing out

836
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: on like family events, like missing out on weddings and holidays.

837
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: And I was able to go to my cousin's wedding

838
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: in Chicago a couple of weeks ago, and if I

839
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: was doing New York, like I probably wouldn't have gone.

840
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, like I need to make

841
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: more time for this because like I miss seeing like

842
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: my aunts and my uncles and my grandfather and my cousins,

843
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: Like I need to make time for this in my

844
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: life too. So I think that was kind of a

845
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: good reminder to like take advantage of like my breaks

846
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: and my downtime and really focus on those relationships. And

847
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: then yeah, like focusing on strength training and how like

848
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to have been incorporating that into my routine,

849
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: but still like you can always learn, you can always

850
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: get like like you can always learn, you can always

851
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: get better, and so really focusing on what broke down,

852
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: what needs some work, and what I can improve upon

853
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: so hopefully, Like, I don't think I'll be like bulletproof,

854
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: but maybe the next time I have an injury it'll

855
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: be a little less severe.

856
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're already mentally approaching them better and better

857
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: every time. It happens with experience, And that's like such

858
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: such a big deal. Any must do things while you're

859
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: in New York. Besides, you know, just the events, any places, a.

860
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: Lot of events. I'm actually meeting up with some of

861
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: my friends from college tomorrow, which is kind of nice,

862
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: have dinner with a couple of them, and then yeah,

863
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: just like getting to catch up with people and getting

864
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: to see everything, what's going on marathon weekend, getting to

865
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: see that magic happen again.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm grateful that one of your stops on your

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Speaker 2: New York tour was the Hurdle Studio.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you for having me, Emily.

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Speaker 2: How do the hurdlers keep up with you? How do

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Speaker 2: they follow along with you? Give me the details.

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Speaker 1: I mostly post on Instagram. It's m Underscore assistant. Underscore

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Speaker 1: occasionally tweet like twice a year. That's the rare tweet

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Speaker 1: you actually can tell you my Twitter handle, Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: it's oh jeez, it's probably am Underscore system or M System.

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Speaker 2: Well, it'll be in the show notes, don't you worry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's about it.

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Speaker 2: That's it. I'm over at Emily a Body and at

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Speaker 2: Hurdle Podcast. Another Hurdle conquered. Gotch you guys, Next time.