Speaker 1: Look may oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, goodness, lost culture, dang it,
Speaker 1: dumb lout calling. Let's work it out on the remix.
Speaker 1: It's work it out on the remix. Do we have
Speaker 1: any events work on the remix? No, But that doesn't
Speaker 1: change the fact that Bo's so so confusing. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I I've sort of put on even
Speaker 1: more of a British accent when I think that's interesting,
Speaker 1: even though she's not that British in her sing songiness,
Speaker 1: like you got to kind of give it that. I
Speaker 1: feel like, tell me if I'm wrong, Oh, I will.
Speaker 1: I feel like you were.
Speaker 2: Not in your anglophile bag for a little bit, and
Speaker 2: then now you're you're really back in it now. I
Speaker 2: feel like Matt is really going British. You know, I
Speaker 2: literally bailed on the trip. I was gonna go by myself.
Speaker 1: It was very well, there, won't they will Matt go
Speaker 1: to Glastow And then I clearly figure it out because like,
Speaker 1: you cannot get tickets if you don't have them, and
Speaker 1: it's not like Coachella where you can take someone's ticket.
Speaker 1: They're like running security and want your passport at the Gate,
Speaker 1: like it's a whole fucking thing. But I really could
Speaker 1: have pushed myself even further in that direction by going
Speaker 1: to Glass though and then London Pride by myself, but
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't pull the trigger. I'm not somewhere
Speaker 1: that like, I'm not someone rather that likes to go
Speaker 1: places alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's okay. I'm not confusing at all. That's
Speaker 2: not confusing at all. Wow, we did just work it
Speaker 2: out on the remix. Yeah, well, we didn't work anything out,
Speaker 2: but we worked out. I worked it out with the
Speaker 2: UK on the remix, the remix being the podcast Lost Culturistas.
Speaker 1: Everyone, please forgive me. I am First of all, I'm
Speaker 1: up early and thirty am, so you can judge at
Speaker 1: home whether or not that's early for you, But that's
Speaker 1: a has been early. That's early for me, especially considering
Speaker 1: whatever we wrapped late at night last night. Now that happens, but.
Speaker 2: I've been fasting for blood work. I guess that includes
Speaker 2: no caffeine, and that's really hard.
Speaker 1: That is tough. You always forget that that Oh, so
Speaker 1: that's its caffe But can I just use this opportunity
Speaker 1: to announce something that I think we should all consider
Speaker 1: as a community. And I think Matt and I talked
Speaker 1: about this the other day on our other podcast, two
Speaker 1: Guys by Rings out Now out Now wherever you find
Speaker 1: your podcasts, I want us to adopt this. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: does this ever happen to you? You, by the way,
Speaker 1: because everyone's involved, does this ever happen to you? Like here,
Speaker 1: we all know. Our next thing is to try and
Speaker 1: answer this question for ourselves. Go on.
Speaker 2: Okay, and it might be a long sort of post amble. Okay,
Speaker 2: but this is this is this is you want to
Speaker 2: say the words, you want to say the letters. See
Speaker 2: I'm already fumbling. You want to say the letters LGBTQ
Speaker 2: plus or lgbt Q I A or even just plane
Speaker 2: on LGBTQ. Well, you stumble, You get nervous, You have
Speaker 2: to push your tongue forward and then up, and then
Speaker 2: it just on a lingual level, it is bad. And
Speaker 2: you have also been on the other side of this,
Speaker 2: where you see, like a well meaning aunt or uncle
Speaker 2: or parent try to get through all of those letters,
Speaker 2: those clumsy, unwieldy letters. Yes, and then you gotta say, oh,
Speaker 2: it's okay. You can just say queer, or you can
Speaker 2: just say gay whatever. However you assuage that person, it's bad.
Speaker 1: Here's when I'm pitching, and I know where this is headed,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna love it. Everyone, You're gonna love this.
Speaker 1: Instead of LGBTQ, we all say legibatique, lesia batique, lysia batique,
Speaker 1: leisure bautique, and that's spelled l E g E b
Speaker 1: A t i q u E. And I am literally
Speaker 1: on board with you ninety eight percent of the way
Speaker 1: until you spell it, and then I think that's spelling.
Speaker 1: Is okay? The more I've thought about it, because okay,
Speaker 1: so this came up on two guys five rings, and
Speaker 1: by came up on two guys five rings, I mean
Speaker 1: that in two months you'll hear an episode where we
Speaker 1: discussed this on that podcast, because we've backlogged the hell
Speaker 1: out of that podcast as a little peak behind the curtain,
Speaker 1: and Bowen has stumbled on this unbelievably great idea, which
Speaker 1: is to eliminate all that bullshit you talked about and
Speaker 1: just be leisure batique. Because even the people who really
Speaker 1: know what they're doing and really know the letters watching
Speaker 1: lgbtqia A plus community, it's just like it's it's getting
Speaker 1: to the point where it's just like you guys, we
Speaker 1: have to be a bigger umbrella leisure batique. That's everyone.
Speaker 2: And by bullshit, by all the bullshit, we mean like
Speaker 2: just the sort of anxiety around watching other people or
Speaker 2: being the person who has to just make sure all
Speaker 2: the letters are included, and that is very important. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think we are putting forward leizabatique as a by
Speaker 2: default inclusive term. It is a new word as as
Speaker 2: we are sort of debuting in this way and we
Speaker 2: are able to define that word as being something that
Speaker 2: is im perpetuity inclusive.
Speaker 1: And what better time than now when all eyes are
Speaker 1: on Paris to create this French word leisure batique. I
Speaker 1: just think it is perfect. It's just easier on the tongue.
Speaker 2: It literally it's like it just kind of it really
Speaker 2: does flow off and you kind of want to keep
Speaker 2: saying it lzipbatique.
Speaker 1: Well, when you say LGBTQ plus and you add more
Speaker 1: to that, you have to stop after every letter to
Speaker 1: really get it across LGBTQ plus, Like it's like you
Speaker 1: have to open and close your mouth so many times
Speaker 1: as it were, Whereas leisure boutique, it flows, it has presence.
Speaker 1: It also elevates us as a community, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because we're not beholden to LGBTQ. Now you
Speaker 1: know what, We're actually not trying to be We're not
Speaker 1: trying to spell it out. We are. We are. That's
Speaker 1: what I like most about it. Leisure Bautique. We are Batique.
Speaker 1: And I'm really well, I'm really interested in it's not
Speaker 1: feeling like you have a sniper dot on your head
Speaker 1: every time you see someone try to make everyone feel
Speaker 1: included in LGBTQ. Plus bah bah bah bah bah. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's a given everyone isn't going to
Speaker 1: say Batique. We are trying sending Okay, so that's Elizabetique.
Speaker 1: I think this is a very interesting time. We're in
Speaker 1: cancer season and that is the missing water sign between us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think we I think we are really experiencing
Speaker 1: a water signed season right now in many ways. Well
Speaker 1: here's my water sign season. I've decided to deal with
Speaker 1: summer by being in what I would call what would
Speaker 1: you call this an STX fleece with sort of when
Speaker 1: you touch the shoulder, it makes this noise? Would you
Speaker 1: call it? Huh? I just here. It's not really registering
Speaker 1: on the mic, but imagine scratchy. It's like it's like Windbreaker,
Speaker 1: but only on the shoulder. Anyway, I'm in a full
Speaker 1: blown like polo in the air conditioning and really trying
Speaker 1: to make outside as small of an issue, yes as
Speaker 1: it possibly can be, because it's it is so fucking hot.
Speaker 1: Not to say I'm not going out there and enjoying myself.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy with the goldening of my skin. I
Speaker 1: can say I'm participating in summer, but certainly inside calls
Speaker 1: you're not wearing this at I will describe it as
Speaker 1: and I mean this only as a compliment. You are
Speaker 1: giving gay Jabberwakie. I'll take it as gay jaberwaki for sure.
Speaker 1: That makes me feel really sexy actually to know that
Speaker 1: I'm giving my gay jabberwaukee. Yes. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I think of them as people who fuck, but certainly
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 2: Remember when Taylor Swift danced with the Jabberwakis when she's
Speaker 2: saying twenty two live. I think it was at the AMA's,
Speaker 2: but it was the Billboard Music Awards and she sang
Speaker 2: twenty two with the Jabuwakee's. She would never do that now,
Speaker 2: miss I missed the old tailor just kidding. No, No,
Speaker 2: I think she would do that now. I think she's
Speaker 2: still got tricks supper sleeve. Should we reveal July fourth,
Speaker 2: we're going to be in Amsterdam. We're saying, Taylor Swift
Speaker 2: errors tour. This public knowledge. Sometimes people know stuff about us,
Speaker 2: And I go, who told you? Well, that's because we
Speaker 2: have big fucking mouths.
Speaker 1: And I would, I would one one hundred percent bet
Speaker 1: that it's just because we've said it before and forgot
Speaker 1: we said it and forgot that does happen? I mean,
Speaker 1: Matt Whitaker just texted me and goes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: love the Two Guys Five Rings podcast. This is instant cannon.
Speaker 1: Your Guys' Shannon Miller bit is making me crack up.
Speaker 1: And I said two things, One what is the bit?
Speaker 1: And two? Who is Shannon Miller? I come, I don't remember?
Speaker 1: For good?
Speaker 2: Oh I remember Shandon Miller. It's Simone Biles is set
Speaker 2: to break her record for number of medals.
Speaker 1: I think, oh, great, great, great, well, then yes, down
Speaker 1: with Shannon Miller and up with Simone Biles. For those
Speaker 1: of you who don't know, it is not a bit.
Speaker 1: We are hosting a Two Guys, Five Rings Olympics themed
Speaker 1: real NBC Peacock iHeartMedia podcast. They came to us to
Speaker 1: do it. And if you thought you were going to
Speaker 1: hear anything about the Olympics or sports on this podcast
Speaker 1: during the Olympic season, no, you have to go to
Speaker 1: the Two Guys Five Rings podcasts, which spoiler alert is
Speaker 1: really just thirty extra minutes of Lost Coach under the
Speaker 1: lens of Olympics kind of.
Speaker 2: But we get a soundboard, we get like fun little
Speaker 2: transitions with scoring, and they've done a fabulous job of
Speaker 2: that is making it seem a little different.
Speaker 1: I really like. I was like, this is a chic
Speaker 1: little podcast. Look at what we're a part of. I
Speaker 1: was like with their little musical transitions, and shit, couldn't
Speaker 1: bees on here. No, I always did want a soundboard though.
Speaker 1: I always wanted a soundboard because it just takes me
Speaker 1: back to FM culture. Like I've talked about it before,
Speaker 1: But the best use of a soundboard I've ever heard
Speaker 1: was when I was a little, little little kid. I
Speaker 1: was on vacation with my family, and I remember me
Speaker 1: and my grandmother and my mom and my dad watched
Speaker 1: the season finale of Joe Millionaire. And at the end
Speaker 1: of Joe Millionaire, they it was that terrible male Fox
Speaker 1: of voiceover who actually was an icon. But the last
Speaker 1: like four commercial breaks ended with him being like, it's
Speaker 1: not over yet. And someone on the radio the next
Speaker 1: day just like was talking about it and just kept
Speaker 1: playing the It's not over yet and it made me
Speaker 1: laugh so much. You know who's so good with the soundboards,
Speaker 1: Danny Pellogreenow, he's so good. Danny Pellergreen is really Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a tool that really can elevate the podcasting
Speaker 1: medium and radio medium.
Speaker 2: Well, it gives it an identity because I don't know
Speaker 2: like FM radio is so you know it when you
Speaker 2: hear it. It's one of those things podcasts haven't really
Speaker 2: been able to reproduce that magic. I don't think if
Speaker 2: anyone is gonna be up for the challenge, I think
Speaker 2: it would be us. Like I'm thinking, did you ever
Speaker 2: listen to Danny Bonaducci And I forget what his co
Speaker 2: host's name was in the mornings?
Speaker 1: It was on Kiss FM. This was like he Danny
Speaker 1: like like Danny from is he from from a Partridge Family?
Speaker 2: He like hosted a radio show with this woman who
Speaker 2: had the the raspiest, coolest boice. That's all I remember,
Speaker 2: I think was Danny and Kelly. Danny and Kelly are.
Speaker 1: Sotose sound like great great radio host names, Danny and Kelly.
Speaker 1: Live in the morning with Danny and Kelly. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I mean, you couldn't pay me to get up and see.
Speaker 2: Clearly I'm operating at zero right now, this early in
Speaker 2: the morning. But there's just something about rolling up to work,
Speaker 2: clocking in at four thirty am or whatever, and then
Speaker 2: doing the radio show gig and then leaving and then
Speaker 2: having a fabulous day at home.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the thing is, like those radio DJs are
Speaker 1: not fasting in the morning like you are. I've seen
Speaker 1: you get up early, and I don't like you talking
Speaker 1: about yourself like this. So you are more than capable
Speaker 1: of getting up early and getting after it. I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is cut yourself some slack. Those people
Speaker 1: are caffeinated to hell, yeah, and unburdened at least by
Speaker 1: the expectation of a blood test, so they they're able
Speaker 1: to really pile on the energy in the morning and
Speaker 1: then bowen. The thing about them is that's their job.
Speaker 1: So a radio DJ like, someone who's active in the
Speaker 1: morning can just fuck off the rest of the day,
Speaker 1: unless they're Ryan Seacrest. Unless they're Ryan Seacrest and they
Speaker 1: have an empire. Busiest man in Hollywood. Ryan would love
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Come on last Cult, would we know?
Speaker 1: I don't know that Ryan Seacrest is able to be candid. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like if you ever dated Terry Hatcher, do
Speaker 2: you have darkness and an enclosure of the soul and
Speaker 2: you will never be an authentic person.
Speaker 1: That is a real drag on Terry.
Speaker 2: It's not a drag on Terry, It's a dragon people
Speaker 2: who take Terry. I'm gonna say, I feel like Terry
Speaker 2: was the big perpetrator on the set of Housewives.
Speaker 1: I feel like, Terry, you really believe the hype. You
Speaker 1: believe the hype. You know these gays, here's what they'll do.
Speaker 1: And this is just me talking to y'all the listener.
Speaker 1: The sas what these gays will do. Gays will lift
Speaker 1: you up and tear you down. These gays love it
Speaker 1: when you play Susan Meyer. They love when you fall
Speaker 1: in the bush naked. They love it. They root for
Speaker 1: you when you win the Golden Globe you give your
Speaker 1: little I used to be a has been speech. They cheer.
Speaker 1: Then you know you're around for a few years, started
Speaker 1: dating hot guys and Seacrest stuff like that. They want
Speaker 1: to tear you down, they want to see you fall,
Speaker 1: and they won't stop. And gays run the media, okay,
Speaker 1: And when the gays get to their shenanigans on the
Speaker 1: media and Terry, you pissed them off because you dated
Speaker 1: the hottest guy. They all want Ryan s You're up
Speaker 1: with the rest of the cast down with Terry and
Speaker 1: it's sad to see. Sad to see it bleed all
Speaker 1: the way into this podcast, which I thought was a
Speaker 1: pro Terry Hatter space. That's why I joined eight years ago.
Speaker 1: Joined joined this podcast.
Speaker 2: I want us to We're here to renounce a third podcast,
Speaker 2: Holy Shit, which is going to be an investigative journalism
Speaker 2: kind of not quite true crime, but adjacent, like we
Speaker 2: need to find out who was a fault? I want
Speaker 2: I want to start, no joke, I want to start
Speaker 2: a podcast called gay Mysteries or something where we find
Speaker 2: out who was a fault? Who is the person behind
Speaker 2: the zombie mask on Wendy Williams for the Halloween episode
Speaker 2: that made her say, what was that? What other gay mysteries?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's called what was that? Oh, maybe it's called
Speaker 1: what what was that? With Matt and Bowen? Where we go?
Speaker 1: What was that about? Any years? About any little fucking
Speaker 1: thing that traps our ass? Like, yeah, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: an episode that I want to do. What was that?
Speaker 1: Is the episode of out whenever Lavine won Best New
Speaker 1: Artist at the VMAs in the Year of Our Lord
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, and Kelly Clarkson gave her the
Speaker 1: award and Avril snubbed her and it was really bad.
Speaker 1: What was that? That's the kind of thing I need
Speaker 1: to dive into.
Speaker 2: Is your only regret of the Kelly Clarkson episode where
Speaker 2: we had her on our show not asking her about
Speaker 2: that moment?
Speaker 1: You know what? It was such a positive time with Kelly.
Speaker 1: There were so many things I could have asked her,
Speaker 1: like I could have asked her about like Doctor Luke, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, we could talk about that. So the
Speaker 1: Doctor Luke of it all was something years ago. When
Speaker 1: Kesha had her lawsuit against Doctor Luke, a lot of
Speaker 1: pop girlies like testified against him as character what witnesses
Speaker 1: like I guess for Kesha just being like, what's the
Speaker 1: deal with this guy? What is he? Like, Like the
Speaker 1: allegation of sexual assault was Kesha's and hers alone, but
Speaker 1: like we want to know from other people that have
Speaker 1: worked with him, Like what's the deal? And she flat
Speaker 1: out with like, he is not a good guy. Nothing
Speaker 1: ever happened to me like that. But I literally, she
Speaker 1: said in another interview, she told her record label she'll
Speaker 1: work with anyone but Doctor Luke, and they made her
Speaker 1: work with him on All I Ever wanted, and they did.
Speaker 1: My life would suck without you together, and she claims
Speaker 1: she actually wrote enough of that song to get songwriting credit.
Speaker 1: She like worked on it enough where she could have
Speaker 1: been as the artist, like put my name on this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she says, I didn't want my name anywhere near his,
Speaker 1: and so I said forget it. I'll just not take
Speaker 1: the credit. And that song was a number one hit,
Speaker 1: So she missed out on dollars because of that because
Speaker 1: she was just not down to be that standing on
Speaker 1: principle absolutely, But you know one Katy Perry has just
Speaker 1: announced turn new music, and I root for Katie, but
Speaker 1: she makes it hard sometimes because she doesn't have to
Speaker 1: work with Doctor Luke. She's someone that is famously a
Speaker 1: singer songwriter who can create her own stuff and can
Speaker 1: work with any producer in the business. Because yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: she might not be the most relevant pop star of
Speaker 1: our time, but she gets streams on streams, on streams
Speaker 1: on streams, and for her to put Doctor Luke on
Speaker 1: this record again has my side, I personally, because she's
Speaker 1: not one of the new young POC or queer women
Speaker 1: who are trying to make it in the business who
Speaker 1: he then goes to and says, I'll help you, and
Speaker 1: they're like, of course, I'm going to take this opportunity.
Speaker 1: It's not the same thing. This is Katie Perry, who's
Speaker 1: established and can work with anyone, and yes, she still
Speaker 1: makes this choice, so it's actually totally different.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of these rumors about
Speaker 2: this being gorilla marketing, her releasing a purposely bad snippet
Speaker 2: of her single that is not even the snippet from
Speaker 2: the song it's supposed to like enough enough.
Speaker 1: Of the I thought that was funny, I guess, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I don't. And now I'm already I'm already like
Speaker 1: this is what Katie tends to like get me to
Speaker 1: do is I just can you describe what's going on
Speaker 1: to the listeners. It's a slight eye roll, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm already a little bit exhausted. Let's just kind of
Speaker 1: get to the music, because ultimately the music is probably
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good if she snaps in and really
Speaker 1: is as galvanized as she seem when she was like
Speaker 1: quitting American Idol and stuff. But the thing is, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like what when you're Katie Perry
Speaker 1: and you're bringing doctor Luke into it, it is a
Speaker 1: completely different thing. And then you see Kesha just tweeted lol.
Speaker 2: Well I thank God for that because I think that
Speaker 2: really did it was able to like be a funnel
Speaker 2: for like all of our thoughts around, like wait, doctor
Speaker 2: lu Like, I think the credits, well, here's what happened.
Speaker 2: I think the order of events was Tessha replied lol,
Speaker 2: and then the song writing credits came out, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if one was spurred. I think I think
Speaker 2: the songwriting credits where we're spurred by the Kesha comment,
Speaker 2: which is interesting, like why make it so damning after
Speaker 2: suspicion has already been raised. I think people didn't know
Speaker 2: that Doctor Luke had worked on the record publicly. I
Speaker 2: think Kesha might have known, but I don't think people
Speaker 2: were like, oh, what is this about. I think Kasha
Speaker 2: commenting that made people go, wait a minute, is this
Speaker 2: the Doctor Luke thing? And then sure enough days later
Speaker 2: they released the credits.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I am grateful that she did that well,
Speaker 1: just in terms of how both of the snippets of
Speaker 1: the song sounded like. There was one that was like,
Speaker 1: actually horrible, and I thought that it was so horrible
Speaker 1: that it actually was funny. I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is so clearly not it. And she's doing this weird
Speaker 1: TikTok where she's singing it, and there's times when Katie
Speaker 1: Perry jumps out and I'm like, oh, yes, like you
Speaker 1: get it. You're like, you know this self aware like
Speaker 1: almost like comedy forward whatever that means for a pop star.
Speaker 1: Like it's like you're like like fun, like self aware,
Speaker 1: like a bimbo of pop. And what I like that
Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter is kind of filling those shoes because your
Speaker 1: lyrics are really clever and like cheeky and fun, and
Speaker 1: they fill their aesthetic with it. They both kind of.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the Espresso video kind of like is
Speaker 1: California Girls without all the candy and stuff. Like it's
Speaker 1: more just like straightforward in a fluina cello. But you
Speaker 1: see where there's a blueprint for what Sabrina Carpenter is
Speaker 1: doing in recent pop. But it's like it's not like
Speaker 1: the second clip of what we assume is the real
Speaker 1: woman's world is that much better where we're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, gag, she really released that horrible first song
Speaker 1: and now this one is such a moment.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, no, it's a better song, but the
Speaker 2: gulf the canyon of quality is not that big.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I am really digging the way Sabrina is going about
Speaker 2: the shall we say you, I think she's very like
Speaker 2: you who like coded you know.
Speaker 1: I mean just like I knew she was my girl.
Speaker 1: I knew she was sort of my little sister. In
Speaker 1: the Espresso video when she's getting arrested and she sort
Speaker 1: of like lit her head is like flailing around and
Speaker 1: she's like ooh, I was just like, yeah, no, I'm
Speaker 1: into her. I really like her. She's actually forever for me, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And now she I mean, she's very much here to
Speaker 1: stay number one hit Please Please Please, Please Please Please
Speaker 1: is fucking great. Well, I love love that. She kind
Speaker 1: of got a little petty with it when she hit
Speaker 1: number one on the Billboard Hot one hundred o and
Speaker 1: she posted that gay being like no one's ever fly
Speaker 1: do it some gay was like no one's ever flopped
Speaker 1: this hard on a second single, OMFG or whatever the fuck,
Speaker 1: and like literally on her official Instagram, it's just her
Speaker 1: number one on the chart, a piece of the article,
Speaker 1: and then that gay guy's tweet, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I get it. It's like, sometimes I can see
Speaker 1: being a person who receives tweets like that and receives
Speaker 1: commentary like that and is like, okay, well, just so
Speaker 1: you know, if you engage in a conversation, someone might respond,
Speaker 1: and that is a conversation you engaged in.
Speaker 2: But that's kind of the best way to go about it.
Speaker 2: It's the bird watching equivalent of responding to a fucking
Speaker 2: reply guy or a reply day. It's like, talk to
Speaker 2: us about how it's like bird watching. It's that you
Speaker 2: are kind of from afar, acknowledging its existence without actually
Speaker 2: engaging in it until let's say, you hit number one
Speaker 2: on billboard and then you can post a picture of
Speaker 2: the bird.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm losing the thread, but I just find
Speaker 1: it refreshing.
Speaker 2: But speaking of tweets, was it someone in our group
Speaker 2: chat who like unearthed these old Katie Perry tweets where
Speaker 2: she just fucking bullies Sky Ferreira And that is unforgivable
Speaker 2: to me. I do this on your behalf because you
Speaker 2: have worked with Katie in the past.
Speaker 1: She's given you job opportunities and you Oh, first of all,
Speaker 1: she did not give me a job opportunity. She was
Speaker 1: kind about an opportunity I got in her video, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, if you haven't seen it, not at
Speaker 1: the end of the real music video. I'm basically one
Speaker 1: of the leads of it. You are the lead. I
Speaker 1: think you are the star of it. She wasn't on set.
Speaker 1: Zoey Deschanel was on set. Love her, Love Zoe, Love Zoe.
Speaker 1: Can I say you weren't there but because you had
Speaker 1: to work. But I went to go see Katie in
Speaker 1: Vegas for my birthday, like I love Katy Perry, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a fucking thirty four year old gay man,
Speaker 1: like California girls in teenage Dream hit when we were
Speaker 1: what twenty two, Like, come on, we love Katy Perry
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Yeah exactly. It's like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be on here, fucking like, oh it sucks as she
Speaker 1: worked with doctor Luke when she doesn't have to at all.
Speaker 1: She just doesn't have to do at all. She just
Speaker 1: doesn't think it sucks, as she wrote it for Rick Caruso.
Speaker 1: I think some of the shit that she does sucks.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean I don't think she's a great
Speaker 1: fucking pop star. But if you what are we supposed
Speaker 1: to do? Not talk about the fact that she's working
Speaker 1: with doctor Luke, don't do it, then I think Katie
Speaker 1: is like not in.
Speaker 2: That window of unproblematic fave person. She's got all of Brazil,
Speaker 2: so she's fine, you know what I mean. They want
Speaker 2: her to come to Brazil so bad, and they don't
Speaker 2: care about Rick Caruso and Brazil.
Speaker 1: You know right, she did it then come to Brazil.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I didn't invent it, but she like she
Speaker 1: helped originate it. I'm ready to give her all the
Speaker 1: credit that she deserves, one hundred percent, including the credit
Speaker 1: for including doctor Luke in the credit. Yeah, no, nothing's
Speaker 1: a mistake. It's just like, okay, so great. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine in the Uni of Our Lord twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: being her and being like, guess what you guys are
Speaker 1: gonna gag? Guess who I'm working with doctor Luke. Here's
Speaker 1: a big announcement. Here's an official announcement about it. It's like, huh, Like,
Speaker 1: how is that supposed to make people feel exactly? Like excited?
Speaker 1: What excited? For the bops? You're Katie Perry. You can
Speaker 1: do them without him, you know? And then I guess
Speaker 1: that's another thing to compare it to, like this generation
Speaker 1: of pop girly and this moment where everyone's like supporting
Speaker 1: each other and like being there for each other, and
Speaker 1: like all those collabs that came out the other day,
Speaker 1: and now you, in the same moment, are out here
Speaker 1: with a track list that includes doctor Luke, who you
Speaker 1: know allegedly raped one of your peers on a track
Speaker 1: called Women's World, on a track called Woman's World. And
Speaker 1: also like, notwithstanding even the sexual assault, but someone that
Speaker 1: many of your other peers are on the record as
Speaker 1: being like this guy's not a good guy. Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: and Kelly Clarkson and Kesha included. Like I said, this
Speaker 1: is not Kim Petris working with Doctor Luke. This is
Speaker 1: not Doja Cat working with Doctor Luke, who were young
Speaker 1: artists who maybe didn't have producers throwing themselves at them.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. These are young queer POC
Speaker 1: people who do not have the same opportunities as someone
Speaker 1: like these other older, established white girls have. So I
Speaker 1: never really liked when people were like, oh, fuck them
Speaker 1: for working with Doctor Luke. It's like they're they're taking
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Maybe it's the only one that they had.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I think it's a great idea
Speaker 1: for people to work with him because of who he is.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there is a big difference between Katy
Speaker 1: Perry at her big age coming out here with Doctor
Speaker 1: Luke on the track. Oh, I'm at a big age too.
Speaker 1: We're all at a big age. We're at a big age.
Speaker 1: We're all old enough to know better about this, And
Speaker 1: I fucking love Katie Perry. I just want I want
Speaker 1: better choices.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say I brought up this
Speaker 2: guy for a thing because I am convinced that she
Speaker 2: more than some pop girlies. We know, and we might
Speaker 2: ascribe this quality too, is like has had a history
Speaker 2: of bully Sky?
Speaker 1: Has not Sky? Katie? Oh no, I think even Sky
Speaker 1: had a history of being bullied. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: we have to help her. We have to get Kundans
Speaker 1: counselors in it. We need mediators. Why is everyone picking
Speaker 1: on Sky but you mean Katie bullying other people? Yeah, sure, Katie,
Speaker 1: we know stories of Katie at Club thirty three. Okay.
Speaker 1: The alleged beginning of the beef with her and Taylor
Speaker 1: was that they both were a Club thirty three, which
Speaker 1: is the secret the secret Disney restaurant, and Katie I
Speaker 1: guess to break the ice because of like there was
Speaker 1: like some John Mayer bullshit. Katie sent over a glass
Speaker 1: of milk and Taylor like didn't like that or didn't
Speaker 1: get it, and so that was the start of the feud.
Speaker 1: It wasn't actually the backup dancers. This is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite conspiracy theories. It's a great conspiracy theory. It's
Speaker 1: it's funny, but it's also like, well if that if
Speaker 1: I were Taylor, I'd be like, yeah, fuck that girl.
Speaker 1: It's the kind of okay, So again, we don't know
Speaker 1: that this happened. Pretend let's pretend it did. Let's say
Speaker 1: it's someone that is a peer of yours, you've been
Speaker 1: friendly with, but now there's this weird thing because they're
Speaker 1: dating your ex and you're already in a combative situation
Speaker 1: because of what the industry does to women in that field.
Speaker 1: Someone says, you know what, as a bit, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do this thing, and they send over a glass of milk,
Speaker 1: which is I don't know how to describe anything other
Speaker 1: than very sixth grade humor. It's so sixth grade. So
Speaker 1: you get the milk, and it's like, whether you get
Speaker 1: it or not, you have to be ready to have
Speaker 1: the joke happen to you, and she obviously just wasn't.
Speaker 1: Who's ready for that joke? Though? Like you have to
Speaker 1: have such low self esteem to be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you got me girl, or like that was so funny
Speaker 1: that you sent over milk? Why is it funny? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It's nasty. Have you ever done that yet? No? I
Speaker 1: would never fucking do that. Wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: I just mean, have you ever done the bit of
Speaker 1: or the thing of like hey to the waiter, like
Speaker 1: can you send this person over a drink as a bit.
Speaker 1: I've done it as a bit. I've done it as
Speaker 1: a bit because I thought it was funny when I
Speaker 1: was again, when I was in middle school, I was
Speaker 1: an Applebee's and I was with a bunch of my
Speaker 1: friends and one of my teachers was across the like
Speaker 1: across the restaurant, and I said, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: have the funniest bit. So I said to my waitress.
Speaker 1: I was like, go bring a cherry coke over to
Speaker 1: him and say, it's from the gentleman. It's from the
Speaker 1: gentleman over there across the across the way, and I'll
Speaker 1: be there waiting. And when they brought over the cherry coke,
Speaker 1: the waitress dropped it and it went everywhere Queen queen,
Speaker 1: and I think she had been midway. I think maybe
Speaker 1: she was excited about doing the bit, and so she
Speaker 1: was like midway through. I could see her mouth being like,
Speaker 1: this is from the gentleman all and then like my
Speaker 1: poor teacher like had like his covered in cherry coke,
Speaker 1: which is you know, God, be a little bit more
Speaker 1: involved than the regular coke to get out because you
Speaker 1: got that sweet sweet grenadine in there. Though, the grenadine
Speaker 1: be sticky. But there's nothing more I want than for
Speaker 1: this to have been a real story. And the Club
Speaker 1: thirty three waiter brought the milk over. This is from
Speaker 1: the girl Dylan dropped the milk all over tailor and
Speaker 1: swift at Disneyland, where you don't want to be covered
Speaker 1: in milk at all.
Speaker 2: Oh No, that's a fate worse than death. I just
Speaker 2: that makes my fucking skin crawl. I'm sorry, there's something
Speaker 2: about that. First of all, just period. I don't know
Speaker 2: how you would answer this. Would you send buy anyone
Speaker 2: a drink? Now at a restaurant, Let's say, like you
Speaker 2: saw someone who was hot, Like, I'm gonna buy that
Speaker 2: person a drink.
Speaker 1: I have no idea how to engage in those situations
Speaker 1: anymore I have. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to be, how to be on
Speaker 2: the receiving end of that, Not that it happens all
Speaker 2: the time, but I'm just like what, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Dating is way weirder now than it used to be,
Speaker 2: for a litany of reasons. But I would rather just someone.
Speaker 2: I would rather just be pursued than like be out
Speaker 2: like trying to like be cute about it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I think that like, ultimately me as
Speaker 2: a person, as a romantic partner, I think I respond
Speaker 2: better to initially someone else expressing interest anyway. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: also like I don't want to be weird and then
Speaker 2: like someone someone gets a drink from me and they're like,
Speaker 2: that's from that guy over there, and they like in
Speaker 2: some way maybe know.
Speaker 1: Who I am, and they're like, oh, ew, Matt Rogers
Speaker 1: sent me a drink at a bar. Gross. Oh We're
Speaker 1: never doing that. Yeah, I mean, it would never happen,
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, I'm just trying to negotiate,
Speaker 1: like being out there interacting with eligible gay men, if
Speaker 1: you're out there, if you're out there, and I just like,
Speaker 1: I thought about sending a drink, and I'm like, that
Speaker 1: can't be the move.
Speaker 2: No, Like, if I tap a guy on Grinder, I
Speaker 2: feel immediate shame. Even today, is that the equivalent? I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: why did I do that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I will say, tapping on grinder, you know,
Speaker 1: people really don't like it. You ever see the profiles
Speaker 1: on Grinder that are like no taps, absolutely no taps.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck is the big idea, Like
Speaker 1: what is the big fucking deal? Like, is Grinder just
Speaker 1: the kind of place where people go to say things
Speaker 1: like that? Or do they actually care? Are you just
Speaker 1: trying to project a thing of like I have an
Speaker 1: era of exclusivity around me, Like I don't do taps.
Speaker 1: I don't do this? Is it because you can't be
Speaker 1: like even more restrictive than that? And what your quote
Speaker 1: unquote preferences are? So you do this weird flex on taps?
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. So you got tapped, someone
Speaker 1: thought you were hot whatever, you are status minded in
Speaker 1: a way that is like pathological at that point, I
Speaker 1: just would love to interview someone for two minutes on
Speaker 1: this podcast and you can do the voice the voice
Speaker 1: things you dropped so no one knows who you are
Speaker 1: about what it is you have against taps? Is it
Speaker 1: just that you think it's flaky and you'd rather be
Speaker 1: messaged directly? Like what is it? Who? For the kdies
Speaker 1: out there? Do you want to explain taps? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a way to get someone's attention on Grinder. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's a way to like not saying anything without saying anything.
Speaker 1: I saw at Flirt, which kind of a great UI thing. Right,
Speaker 1: it's like a great like next evolution of like it's
Speaker 1: like a Facebook poke. Yes ahead of content. Hauns is saying, yes,
Speaker 1: it is exactly like a Facebook poke exactly. Anyway, that's
Speaker 1: that I think us interviewing this person is going to
Speaker 1: fall into oh what was that episode? Oh? That's really good.
Speaker 1: The thing is like, I don't understand how we could
Speaker 1: do another podcast, but that would be it. We also
Speaker 1: what was that? Can just be a new segment on
Speaker 1: this podcast, because you know how good we are about
Speaker 1: keeping up with all the new segments. That is it over?
Speaker 1: It's not well, let's see producer Beckett made us a dog?
Speaker 1: Should we look at nineteen cents? I don't and can
Speaker 1: I tell you something of this? This is how I
Speaker 1: I know it might be over. I don't want to
Speaker 1: do that. Okay, that is over. Sister.
Speaker 2: I am in lockstep with you. Whatever do you. This
Speaker 2: is our partnership, this is friendship. It's gotta be a
Speaker 2: hell yes from both of us. We are working it
Speaker 2: out on the remix. We are working Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I'm wucking remix. You know what. Here's the thing about
Speaker 1: the excavation of years. We tried it, and it was
Speaker 1: also a truly collaborative attempt at creating something new for
Speaker 1: the podcast. But if we're really gonna work it out
Speaker 1: on the remix, I think we started doing that because
Speaker 1: of this idea that we like didn't want to pick
Speaker 1: on like new culture that much because we are like
Speaker 1: in like the training wheels phase of a new era.
Speaker 2: Of the podcast. But like, I don't fucking care that much.
Speaker 2: I just fucking talked match about Katie Perry for fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes Deserve though. You know what I'm saying is it's
Speaker 2: like we're not even talking shit. We're saying she's a
Speaker 2: great fucking pop star, she's formative. We expect more from
Speaker 2: her than a continuation of working with Doctor Luke, because
Speaker 2: she's literally talented enough to not that's not really talking shit.
Speaker 2: And she announced that she was voting the way she
Speaker 2: was voting in LA So it's like, Okay, well, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna do that, then understand that you're it's a
Speaker 2: hot button issue.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot about her vote. Oh my god. Kay.
Speaker 1: But they don't know who Rick Caruso is in Brazil.
Speaker 1: It's actually a rule of culture number nineteen. They don't
Speaker 1: know know Rick Caru in Brazil, hil and until Rick
Speaker 1: Caruso gets the come to Brazil Lee, no one's checking
Speaker 1: for him in La so that would be great.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, but Katie, I feel like it's Katie and
Speaker 2: everyone else on the coin.
Speaker 1: The industry loves to spend to quote Ella Lord, the
Speaker 1: Legend the voice. Can I say she ate that? What
Speaker 1: is six plus two? Because she ate? Because she crushed
Speaker 1: it and I was so emotional, oh throughout and then
Speaker 1: with every line, and then because I ride for you, Charlie,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to know, now you know, I was
Speaker 1: just like and also the way that she wrote it,
Speaker 1: the way she brought back the they say they had
Speaker 1: we have this same hat. I was just like everything
Speaker 1: about this is a great moment in pop and I think,
Speaker 1: if there's any justice, it should be nominated for Pop
Speaker 1: Duo Group.
Speaker 2: Vocals at the Grammys. It is a moment and they
Speaker 2: deserve it. What I find remarkable about the Lord verse
Speaker 2: is that it is not like retaliatory like I think
Speaker 2: Charlie would have been down for like, yeah Lord, do
Speaker 2: the verse and like come for me, like because I
Speaker 2: feel like if you go back and read Charlie's verse,
Speaker 2: it is like a little bit like accusatory of like you, yeah,
Speaker 2: what's the problem, what's the problem? You've like bailed on me.
Speaker 2: I can't tell if you're being genuine like you girl,
Speaker 2: so confusing. Sometimes it makes me insecure the way that
Speaker 2: you treat me.
Speaker 1: Because low kei, like Lord, is a much much, much
Speaker 1: more commercially successful artist. She had been lauded in a
Speaker 1: way that Charlie had it, and then everyone said to her, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you guys are a natural pair, like it's
Speaker 1: a level up, like the two of you together. But
Speaker 1: low Key on the other side of it, Charlie is
Speaker 1: the coolest bitch in the game, and she's the one
Speaker 1: who truly moves things forward. And probably everyone's low Key
Speaker 1: in some way chasing what she does. Of course, So
Speaker 1: there's insecurity and the dynamic and then literally it just
Speaker 1: comes down to when we are together, it's weird, so
Speaker 1: what the fuck? And then for the Lord to respond
Speaker 1: with just vulnerability, just vulnerable. I love it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like, well here's what you've done. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh no, I was so insecure myself. I canceled last
Speaker 2: Mandy because I didn't feel worthy of your company. I
Speaker 2: hated my body, Like all these things I love, it's
Speaker 2: just self defense until you're building a weapon.
Speaker 1: Mm h, that is wow. There was a line about
Speaker 1: like I was at war with my body, like your
Speaker 1: life seemed awesome. I didn't want to be in your pictures. Like,
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty relatable to everyone. Like you know,
Speaker 1: when someone you don't really necessarily feel super comfortable with
Speaker 1: because you think they're super hot or really admire them
Speaker 1: their talent, or you think they're really smart, or you
Speaker 1: feel small in some way around them. Their intentions can
Speaker 1: be one hundred yes, but you don't feel good enough
Speaker 1: to show up in that as yourself compete with whatever
Speaker 1: it is. Because of everything going on internally, I have
Speaker 1: certainly canceled on people who I just didn't really know
Speaker 1: either what the intention was or why I would be,
Speaker 1: why they'd benefit from having me around, et cetera. So
Speaker 1: like I'm supposed to hang out with guys sometimes and
Speaker 1: just like completely took myself out of it because I
Speaker 1: didn't feel good enough. Yeah, I feel like Benny Drama
Speaker 1: is my Lord, No, just kidding. I was like, like,
Speaker 1: who's the gay equivalent? My jaw just dropped. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: can you imagine poking the sweetest person on my old
Speaker 1: planet Earth? No, I was going to say.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, like, who's the game main equivalent to
Speaker 2: Charlie XCX, and I think it's Benny Drama.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh, I love that for him.
Speaker 2: But meanwhile, Benny Drama is the coolest, the funniest, the sweetest.
Speaker 1: We love Betty No, but that's why he is a
Speaker 1: good example. It out there and he'd be like, Bowen,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? And it would be a fun thing
Speaker 1: because because one of the scariest things in the world
Speaker 1: is doing that with someone that you actually have those
Speaker 1: feelings about, which is why I respect Charlie and Lord
Speaker 1: so much, just because they fully just aired this out
Speaker 1: and like, in so many words, maximize their joint sleigh,
Speaker 1: because that would be scary. I can speak for myself.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you feel this is a way to do
Speaker 1: that with our own peers in our own industry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the idea of like.
Speaker 2: A girly beef is hopefully like this is a huge
Speaker 2: moment in the perennial concept of like a beef between
Speaker 2: pop girls, Like this is the way to do it,
Speaker 2: Like God blessed Taylor Swift getting Katie Perry out in
Speaker 2: the Hamburger costume, which I think is its own sort
Speaker 2: of like retaliation.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you so much for coming. Here's your costume.
Speaker 1: You have to wear this.
Speaker 2: You have to wear this for the way you've treated me.
Speaker 2: But this is like, this is a huge watershed moment.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, I'll look stupid too. She comes out in
Speaker 2: a super schemy hot dog costume. Don't worry me too.
Speaker 2: I'll be a food too, like tiny food, slim food,
Speaker 2: slim food. That's healthy.
Speaker 1: Oh stop, But.
Speaker 2: I just think also confusing is like someone said, it's
Speaker 2: the rate on me for people who do ketamine and period.
Speaker 1: Y'all are y'all are on too much powders. Relax every
Speaker 1: stop like every okay, cool, we all do ketamine. Like
Speaker 1: stop talking about is what I want to put out
Speaker 1: there as sort of a corollary to Elisiabatique. Let's take
Speaker 1: a break from powders. And that's fine if you want
Speaker 1: to do powders. I'm just like this whole thing of like, yes, community,
Speaker 1: we're addressing you. We all know that everyone does ketamine. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we can we can sort of just like it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to become your personality. I get that it's
Speaker 1: the summer and the summer is starting and it's probabe
Speaker 1: like ketamine yay, Like K is not in leisure batique,
Speaker 1: Like it might be a part, it might be a
Speaker 1: part of what goes down, but like that's cute a K. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's becoming that thing of like when you're you know,
Speaker 1: when you like just get into high school and you
Speaker 1: start smoking weed or whenever you start smoking weed, it's
Speaker 1: like you can talk about you started thinking all you
Speaker 1: can talk about. It's just like I don't think the
Speaker 1: it's not cool that we all do ketamine, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Maybe it is all right. I mean
Speaker 1: you are way cooler than me. So it's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: that is We're not having this discussion. Let's walk it
Speaker 1: out on the real remix. You know, I saw the
Speaker 1: other night I did the monologues at Rap Scraps, which
Speaker 1: is the New Asscat, and a couple things happened, so
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. But you know who was
Speaker 1: performing was Tammy Seger. Oh my god, Tammy, and she
Speaker 1: says hello, And I remember that night we went to
Speaker 1: Joyantretoria and worked it out on the remix where we
Speaker 1: worked at and Kat and Pat and BSJ. And also
Speaker 1: her episode of Lost Coach Miss Sadie Cohen was a
Speaker 1: moment when we really worked it out on the remix.
Speaker 1: We walked through like a lot of hard feelings we
Speaker 1: did that and that episode. But it was just funny
Speaker 1: to see her there because like I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're dangerous because you open up the floodgates emotionally. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: she got us to work it out in the remix. Actually,
Speaker 1: very easy to talk to, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like and so sometimes it's just like you you start
Speaker 1: talking and then you've said things, but the other part
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, and this was emotional. Actually, so
Speaker 1: did the monologues at Rat Scraps, which was the old
Speaker 1: ascat you've done it before, we know, like from you know,
Speaker 1: coming of age and comedy and a time when you
Speaker 1: see it was Julie King in New York that, like Askat,
Speaker 1: was like the hot to show. It's like such a
Speaker 1: super big honor to do monologues for either that show
Speaker 1: or Rat Scraps, which is all the classics from UCB
Speaker 1: where they're improvising and just such a fun show. So
Speaker 1: I did my monologues and they improvised scenes off them.
Speaker 1: It was a really fun night. And then at the
Speaker 1: end some kids came up who are Hammercats and danger
Speaker 1: Box and they do reality show now at NYU, and
Speaker 1: they were twenty one years old and they were literally
Speaker 1: little versions of us, and they were so sweet and
Speaker 1: they were like, they were like, we're so inspired by like,
Speaker 1: you know, you guys doing so well and we know
Speaker 1: it started here, so we work really hard. And you
Speaker 1: can just tell how inspired by they are by like
Speaker 1: you and Stephanie Schu and Rachel Bloom and Shana taw
Speaker 1: you know, shout Out two. The first time someone has
Speaker 1: ever won for book nd score at the Tony's that
Speaker 1: is Shana Talb. That is one hundred percent one of
Speaker 1: the original girlies. And you know, it was just really amazing,
Speaker 1: like and I realized, you know, they're coming up there
Speaker 1: in that group. Now, these are our sketuled and improv
Speaker 1: groups at NYU, everybody which were like stuff we cared
Speaker 1: so deeply about, and you know, they're looking at a
Speaker 1: world where like so many other people that went through
Speaker 1: that like really succeeded I mean a hammercant fucking headline Coachella. Okay,
Speaker 1: so like anything can happen. Yeah, But like what I
Speaker 1: mean is it was really cool to see them so
Speaker 1: obviously galvanized to be doing what they're doing. This one
Speaker 1: girl was in Hammercats Danger Box reality show and was
Speaker 1: a double major in drama and dramatic writing. I was like,
Speaker 1: you are really going for it, but like they're really
Speaker 1: going for it, and it made me so proud and
Speaker 1: I should I knew it would make you proud too.
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm beaming. I'm like I'm doing like a
Speaker 1: like a little like an emotional frown bottomized emoji. Oh.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 2: That is like setting the groundwork for so much of everything.
Speaker 2: It'll be a lot of disappointment and a lot of
Speaker 2: like triumph.
Speaker 1: And also like it is if you're yeah, you're really
Speaker 1: centering the work early on, and that's like something that
Speaker 1: like I kind of like have like thoughts about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like I should have.
Speaker 2: I'm like, could I have done more back in the
Speaker 2: day to like throw myself into things, But like it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, Like I mean, the.
Speaker 1: Answer is clearly if you could have, you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: needed to because look how everything has worked out. But
Speaker 1: I too was a war course back then. It was
Speaker 1: never enough.
Speaker 2: I lived and breathed it like it was what I
Speaker 2: thought about every day. Shout out to chemistry and my
Speaker 2: Bachelor of Arts in chemistry at NYU.
Speaker 1: But that was not the thing that was keeping me going,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot to tell you. We did
Speaker 1: Game Show the other night, and we do celebrity essences. Oh,
Speaker 1: and the answer to them was was you. We're the
Speaker 1: answer to what was you? Do you want to know
Speaker 1: your celebrity essences? Yes? I have to know. Okay they did?
Speaker 1: The people guess right or no, everyone knew it was you.
Speaker 1: It was easy. That was my note for us with
Speaker 1: game show this time. I was like, it was a
Speaker 1: little too easy. But guys, whenever we do a Bellhouse
Speaker 1: game show, you got a comment it's so fun, it's
Speaker 1: so fun. So it was Louren Michaels, Oh god, three
Speaker 1: dollars Bill, uh huh, there you go. Who's that going
Speaker 1: to be? Mikey Day? Okay, the periodic table, This is
Speaker 1: so easy, Matt Rogers and oh my god, what was
Speaker 1: the fifth one? Uh? Oh, tomato? I thought about tomato,
Speaker 1: but then I was like, people don't really know that. Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: sure there was a fifth one. I'll think of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm honored. Oh my god, that's a huge honor
Speaker 1: to be in celebrity essence, Well, it was just gonna
Speaker 1: be a twofer and it was gonna be Louren Michael's
Speaker 1: in three dollars Bill. I mean, there we go. But
Speaker 1: then I was like I was having too much fun
Speaker 1: thinking of them. Uh, we had a really fun time.
Speaker 1: It was really fun. But anyway, like seeing those kids
Speaker 1: and I just want to look at them and say, listen,
Speaker 1: you're pop girllies right now. They might disappoint you in
Speaker 1: the future. Don't for example, you know teenage dream change
Speaker 1: my life now. Crusale Voter who works with doctor Luke
Speaker 1: still listen to me. I know you love Sabrina Carpenter,
Speaker 1: I know you love Chapelon. They're humans. They might disappoint
Speaker 1: you one day. I never forget what good luck they
Speaker 1: meant to you. Now I'm just kidding. She'll now. I
Speaker 1: think Chaperon will never disappoint anyone that's not putting any
Speaker 1: pressure on her at all. No, And can I say
Speaker 1: I feel very conscious of the fact that like watching
Speaker 1: her blow up so fucking fast has of course been thrilling,
Speaker 1: But you have been a big You've been a champion
Speaker 1: for her since the beginning. I can't say I was first,
Speaker 1: because that's insane, No, but like I was early a
Speaker 1: straight man told me about Chapelane. Matthew Vaughn, my producer
Speaker 1: of Have You Heard of Christmas? We were literally shooting
Speaker 1: have you Heard a Christmas Dispecial? And he was like,
Speaker 1: you have no idea this new girly chapelone and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, whatever, And then I listened to
Speaker 1: casual and I was like, oh wait, do you have
Speaker 1: a major point?
Speaker 2: Matthew von deserves some kind of Elizabethigue Award. I mean
Speaker 2: he produced Have You Heard of Christmas?
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. But but I mean, like that
Speaker 1: is like a straight man with that kind of taste specificity.
Speaker 1: It was fucking wild to watch her perform live. After that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. I went with him study
Speaker 1: and I went with him to the show at the Fonda,
Speaker 1: that famed Fonda show I talked about, and then I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this is going to be
Speaker 1: so major, And now it's so major like last night
Speaker 1: at the Jimmy's, the girl who won the Jimmies like
Speaker 1: shouted out chapelone, Oh my god, talk about the Jimmy's.
Speaker 1: Oh the Jimmies were great, the winners were excellent. The
Speaker 1: girl who won sang the Music that Make Me Dance
Speaker 1: from Funny Girl Original Broadway. Oh wow, it was. It
Speaker 1: was really amazing. And oh my god, the kid who won,
Speaker 1: the guy who won sang make Them Hear You. And
Speaker 1: also his medley had been Seymour, and he sort of
Speaker 1: held back on his Seymour. But I'm like, I hope
Speaker 1: he makes the finals because he's going to open up
Speaker 1: and really show everyone something. And then he delivered a
Speaker 1: performance that was Jimmy's lore. This was so great. And
Speaker 1: you know I love the Jimmy's. I cry the whole
Speaker 1: time watching how happy they are for each other. And again,
Speaker 1: like I had just seen the kid the Hammercat's danger
Speaker 1: Box reality show kids, and then I saw these kids
Speaker 1: because they are so unjaded, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They're just trying so hard. They wanted so bad and
Speaker 1: it makes me happy and they were so gifted. Yet again, duh.
Speaker 1: But chapelone did get mentioned and well, I guess what
Speaker 1: I was saying is I do feel like her letting
Speaker 1: everyone know that she's uncomfortable with the amount of fame
Speaker 1: right now and that she's walking through it is something
Speaker 1: that like is a really important thing for her to say,
Speaker 1: because it means it's what she needs. And so therefore
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, while I'm so excited about what's
Speaker 1: happening with her and what will happen with her, I
Speaker 1: nervous is the wrong word. I'm just kind of like,
Speaker 1: let everyone be cool, you know, healthily concerned. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: be cool, because I mean, if it reminds everyone of Gaga,
Speaker 1: I feel like when Gaga exploded, like her way of
Speaker 1: coping was to pretend she was an authority on fame
Speaker 1: and that it was her assignment. That was like essentially
Speaker 1: a millennial coping mechanism, I think totally, whereas Chapel's coping
Speaker 1: mechanism is very, very gen z. It seems where she's
Speaker 1: just like gonna be authentically a little depressed about it,
Speaker 1: like like you are losing something, you know, you get
Speaker 1: on the mic now everyone listens to what you say,
Speaker 1: whereas just six months ago you could see her at
Speaker 1: skokey pride, and she could say whatever the fuck and
Speaker 1: it would be whatever. But now it's you know, she's like,
Speaker 1: she's probably gonna win Best New Artists at the Grammys.
Speaker 1: A skokey pride. Real, it should be Every city should
Speaker 1: have a pride, including skokey. I agree. I got to
Speaker 1: talk to her for Interview magazine and she is just
Speaker 1: working through it. And what she kept saying was she good,
Speaker 1: and which I think is like, so, this is what's
Speaker 1: got out of me is that she kept saying, I
Speaker 1: am just doing what I've always done, and I'm like, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you have. And I think I think she knows the
Speaker 1: roadmap for her, which is just to like extrapolate based
Speaker 1: on the way she's done things, which has been so
Speaker 1: gradually like magnetizing, and now it's like this ground swell
Speaker 1: where everyone kind of is obsessed with her. And I
Speaker 1: just remember like the days before A Hot to Go
Speaker 1: came out and she was just posting tiktoks from her
Speaker 1: little bedroom and it was like just like just so
Speaker 1: like I don't give a shit, like this is like
Speaker 1: this is like not anything a pop star I would
Speaker 1: have done ten years ago. And I love that there's
Speaker 1: new model and like the proxy war between Sabrina and
Speaker 1: Chapel is done. Like everyone like stand down, like Sabrina
Speaker 1: carpeting good luck Babe is so good. It was so good.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with that. I was so good. I mean,
Speaker 1: Sabrina is a really talented singer, and I mean it's
Speaker 1: a totally different sound than Chapel, but really just she
Speaker 1: has a great technique. She's a great communicator. I love
Speaker 1: her lyrics. I mean, all her stuff reminds me like
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton. If I feel like I keeps saying that
Speaker 1: I said, that's to do it too, but it's please
Speaker 1: please please, like really throws it back from me in
Speaker 1: a in a way that I'm like, I bet you
Speaker 1: know Dolly would be interested and proud of.
Speaker 2: To me, it's giving Judy sill the way she's sayings,
Speaker 2: motherfucker is Judy sil like from motherfuckertherfucker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a moment in history right there. That's a
Speaker 1: moment in culture. Motherfucker is a moment in culture. And
Speaker 1: you know this, I see she's kind of uniting gays too.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. I see some people hedging on
Speaker 1: Chapel in a way where I'm like, why A, you're
Speaker 1: hedging on Chapel. You love Chapel, Put your hands up.
Speaker 1: It's a roller coaster, babe. Well, she's reached to the
Speaker 1: point now where she will invite contrarianism. That's it. God,
Speaker 1: can you imagine that's gotta do what fucks her up?
Speaker 1: Of course, because it's like, Wow, she's gotten to the
Speaker 1: point now where they're gonna start talking about me like
Speaker 1: I'm not a person.
Speaker 3: So confusing sometimes so confusing. Sometimes should we do?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: because mine is actually Chapel related. Oh this is our
Speaker 1: sixty second segment where we you sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: pop off something in culture. I'm actually gonna turn this inward. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's Chapel related, but it's introspective. Am easy. Well, this
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers's I don't think so, honey. And as
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so, honey. The collaborative
Speaker 1: decision to not give Chapel Rohan's good luck Babe, best
Speaker 1: bridge of the Year the last Cultu Racos Culture Awards.
Speaker 1: We gave it to Treacherous by Taylor Swift, a bridge
Speaker 1: that has been celebrated now for years and years and
Speaker 1: years and years, and I do have to say, while
Speaker 1: I love that bridge and I think it's a deserving
Speaker 1: winner in any other year, good Luck Babe is the
Speaker 1: Bridge of the Year period, point blank. There is no
Speaker 1: better bridge that it's been released than good Luck Babe.
Speaker 1: And I feel like maybe we thought we were giving
Speaker 1: Chapel a little too much and naming all these categories
Speaker 1: after her. She won Album of the Year for the
Speaker 1: second year in a row. Last year she won, we
Speaker 1: didn't even know what the album was called. It didn't
Speaker 1: exist yet, and she's still won Album of the Year.
Speaker 1: So she's an Album of the Year twice for the
Speaker 1: same thing. Maybe we thought we couldn't also give her
Speaker 1: Bridge of the Year for good Luck Babe. Well, what
Speaker 1: I want to say is at the time, I thought,
Speaker 1: am I going to regret this later? And I wish
Speaker 1: I could say back to me as because there is
Speaker 1: no better bridge and Chapel it's an apology from us,
Speaker 1: because I don't think so hunt and that's one minute.
Speaker 2: I co signed that apology. And I also want to
Speaker 2: put out there that good Luck Babe has is gonna
Speaker 2: be nominated for Best pre chorus.
Speaker 1: Yeah that is. That is a fucking great pre chorus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: It's the perfect thing that launches you into the It's
Speaker 2: so propelling, it's so like it's exactly what a pre
Speaker 2: chorus should do, should be, which is to just fucking.
Speaker 1: Drive you step up. Yep, it's the launch of the
Speaker 1: roller coaster. That's what it is. By the way, I
Speaker 1: know you have to leave soon, but tell them you're
Speaker 1: gonna be late because I have to touch. I have
Speaker 1: to touch on Dark Universe. Do you want to do it?
Speaker 1: I don't think twenty first, let's touch on Dark Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do my I don't think so many on Dark Universe.
Speaker 2: You're gonna do it on Dark Universe. It's about Dark Universe.
Speaker 2: But it's so stupid. But I you've given me something,
Speaker 2: You've given me fodder here.
Speaker 1: But I'm doing I'm doing the gen Z hand. Wait,
Speaker 1: beck I get a picture of this? Did you get it?
Speaker 1: Did you get Okay, got it? That's gonna be. This
Speaker 1: actually was a little bit of a titillating episode. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: I'm so shook. This is Bowen Yang's I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honey about something that's been really saving my life, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to I don't know what this is
Speaker 1: gonna be. Bowen Yang's time starts now, I don't think so, Honey.
Speaker 1: Me thinking that the steakhouse in Dark Universe was called
Speaker 1: a Dark Steakhouse, but it's called dost Stickhouse. I thought
Speaker 1: that these fucking creative geniuses at Universal who are putting
Speaker 1: together Dark Universe, who are rolling this out like a
Speaker 1: fucking like nothing we've ever seen before.
Speaker 2: The hype is unlike anything I've ever felt before. But
Speaker 2: I did have to go record scratch when they talked
Speaker 2: about the restaurant called Dos Steakhouse. But I thought I
Speaker 2: thought it was going to be called Dark Steakhouse, and
Speaker 2: they went, if that's what it's called, then I am.
Speaker 1: I posted up at.
Speaker 2: Dark Steakhouse every fucking night, because that's the funniest shit
Speaker 2: I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: I petitioning for them to change it to please call
Speaker 1: it Dark Steakhouse for me, please. I will, I will,
Speaker 1: I will go in, I will, I will invest money.
Speaker 1: I want to go. I want to eat at a
Speaker 1: restaurant called Dark Steakhouse. Yes, they will be serving steaks
Speaker 1: on steaks because there will be what vampires who someone
Speaker 1: invited in. Oh that's the one minute. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So the restaurant is called Dost Steakhouse and it's not
Speaker 1: called Dark Steakhouse, but I do. It would be so
Speaker 1: funny if Epic Universe opened Dark Universe with Dark Steakak,
Speaker 1: like that would be so slay imagination on two? What
Speaker 1: are they some June month fags, unbelievable month, unimaginative June month.
Speaker 1: And then like they'd be like, oh sorry when we
Speaker 1: named it, we were all I'm kettymine, like what do
Speaker 1: you Okay, it's called Dos Steakhouse. It will be run
Speaker 1: by the Familiars of Vampires. Okay, so the Familiars, I see.
Speaker 1: If you're not like me watching all this content and
Speaker 1: passing it on to Bowen Yang literally And do you
Speaker 1: watch the stuff that I send you? Of course I do.
Speaker 2: I watch.
Speaker 1: I watch a bit. Don't even I watched the entire
Speaker 1: Jenny Nicholson Star Wars Hotel Takedown, so good right, I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with her. Yeah, she's terrific. She's Chapel roonish of
Speaker 1: She's chapelone of YouTube because it's like drag. She'll show
Speaker 1: up in like so many different looks, like and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I love so many looks. She has
Speaker 1: a giant plushes just in the background, sitting there while
Speaker 1: she's fucked, while she's in a fucking first order costume,
Speaker 1: like talking about how this hotel fucking sucks. I was like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my girl. I really want to know, like
Speaker 1: what she feels about the rollout of the Epic Universe stuff,
Speaker 1: because Okay, so basically my most anticipated land and this
Speaker 1: will shock people because I'm not a horror for person,
Speaker 1: but I am like a classic movie person, and these
Speaker 1: kinds of horror movies I can do. So this is
Speaker 1: classic Monsters, It's the Dark Universe. This is your wolf Man,
Speaker 1: You're Frankenstein, your Dracula, You're a bride of Frankenstein, your
Speaker 1: Bride's of Dracula, your Mummy, your creature from the Black Lagoon,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So basically, this is gonna be a whole
Speaker 1: land in Epic Universe, and it is going to tear.
Speaker 3: Down.
Speaker 1: It is gonna down. They're basically elevating the concept of
Speaker 1: the Haunted House and blowing it the fuck out. So
Speaker 1: people have been on the Forbidden Journey ride the Harry
Speaker 1: Potter Forbidden journey ride. You know, you sit in those
Speaker 1: chairs and they're like floating chairs. The benches they're they're
Speaker 1: giving that, but there's gonna be no note ceiling, so
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like there's gonna be like three sixty
Speaker 1: wrap around screens end up to fifteen state of the
Speaker 1: art animatronic figures that tell this story, which is that
Speaker 1: Victoria Frankenstein, who's the great great granddaughter of mister Frankenstein
Speaker 1: by the way, go off. Doctor Frankenstein has decided to
Speaker 1: resume the family name, capture the monsters, and do a
Speaker 1: demo of how she's able to control them. Villain, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you know it? Something goes wrong? Okay, we did not
Speaker 1: learn from the original Frankenstein that, you know, we are
Speaker 1: not meant to control all nature. Man is not meant
Speaker 1: to control nature, and Havoc is going to ensue. And
Speaker 1: basically what they're describing this as is so so so
Speaker 1: in a word, county, because not only is a Victi,
Speaker 1: it's so Julia, and not only is Victoria Frankenstein popping off,
Speaker 1: but then across the way there's a Curse of the
Speaker 1: Werewolf roller coaster with a mystic named Malerva who warns
Speaker 1: us that we she warns us that we bear the
Speaker 1: curse of the werewolf. No, and then we speed off
Speaker 1: into the woods and the werewolf tries to you guess
Speaker 1: that eat get us to eat us. And so this
Speaker 1: is just this is women slaying or flopping with sleigh
Speaker 1: results all over this land, and that's like, I love it.
Speaker 1: There is dust steakhouse, there's a little makeup parlor where
Speaker 1: you can have monster makeup put on, and you can
Speaker 1: go back out into the park, not for me, but
Speaker 1: for someone else. And then finally there is a Burning
Speaker 1: Blade tavern, which, if you're fans of the original Frankenstein,
Speaker 1: you know of the windmill that burst into flame. That's
Speaker 1: going to be in the park and it's a full
Speaker 1: on bar. Okay. So this is sort of where I
Speaker 1: completely shut the rest of my life off and just
Speaker 1: only focus on this on YouTube. My landing page is
Speaker 1: so embarrassing. I'm really nerdy about it, but it is
Speaker 1: making my life better on a day to day basis.
Speaker 1: While I sit here in my stx S winter breaker
Speaker 1: in my air conditioning, happy for you and I gleefully
Speaker 1: pass it on to you too. I get so excited
Speaker 1: about showing you this stuff and I receive it. This
Speaker 1: is this is a thing that people are talking about now,
Speaker 1: sunlike guilt. Oh yeah, go in, go into this. I
Speaker 1: implicitly know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's like, and people in Vancouver feel it all the
Speaker 2: time because they only get a small window of sunny
Speaker 2: days here and they really make the most out of it.
Speaker 2: And I really love that culture. Like these these are
Speaker 2: people who are go getters. We're active activated. But sunshine guilt,
Speaker 2: sunlike guilt.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, the days so nice outside, I guess
Speaker 1: we have to go and like gallivants, Well you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do anything because the weather is
Speaker 1: a certain way. I mean, I I completely understand. And
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a form of fomo. I guess right,
Speaker 1: it's a form of fomo. But like, here's how I
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 2: I'm like not, I'm not like other girls go on
Speaker 2: all these gays posting from Central Park from like Sheep's
Speaker 2: Meadow or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm like, couldn't be me. Yeah, I ah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to imagine going out and laying
Speaker 1: out in the park and.
Speaker 2: The words Vanessa Hudgens. I respect it, but I don't
Speaker 2: know that I would ever engage in that, and maybe
Speaker 2: something's wrong with me, but that is like Sheep's Meadow
Speaker 2: is Sunshine guilt Central. Well, I just feel like there's
Speaker 2: nowhere to get relief from how hot it's going to be,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like it's not going to
Speaker 2: the beach, hanging out by the pool or something where
Speaker 2: you can kind of dip in, dip out whatever. It's
Speaker 2: like if you're going to the park or like something
Speaker 2: like that. It's like you're laying on that towel and
Speaker 2: I hope you're able to adjust to whatever the situation
Speaker 2: presents itself, because that is the situation. But here's what
Speaker 2: I'm doing, and I'm dead ass about this. I'm going
Speaker 2: to the library this summer because guess what they have
Speaker 2: cooling stations. They literally is room in the budget which
Speaker 2: is being slashed too fucking nothing by Eric Adams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fucking awful and has been fucking awful. And
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that there's like to see the uprising
Speaker 1: against them because it's been time. It's God, this guy sucks.
Speaker 1: Like the libraries have cooling stations. I just got my
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Public Library card. There's a new one in Brooklyn Heights,
Speaker 1: not a new one, but it's just it just they
Speaker 1: renovated it. It's an old church. It is chic as hell.
Speaker 2: I'm going there. I'm browsing all the DVDs. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I need to talk to you about James Seamus, who
Speaker 2: go with the original Wedding Bank but with Angley Is
Speaker 2: also has also co written the remake with Andrew On.
Speaker 2: He finally came to set this week and so lovely
Speaker 2: and we went to dinner and he has this whole
Speaker 2: treatise on how streamers are basically ruining culture, all culture.
Speaker 2: It's like, I just I have to get into this
Speaker 2: with you, like in person, and I will bring this
Speaker 2: to lost culture. But this is like our culture is
Speaker 2: ruined because all of our culture is like browsing below
Speaker 2: the fold, right, It's like you go on the landing page,
Speaker 2: you see the title and if that doesn't appeal to you,
Speaker 2: you go, let me go down. And the further down
Speaker 2: you go, the more this feeling s that's in of well, fuck,
Speaker 2: I don't like any of this shit.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is really astute observation. I think
Speaker 1: about that all the time.
Speaker 2: That's all of our culture. It's when you shop online.
Speaker 2: It's that exact experience of the further down you go,
Speaker 2: you're like, well, none of this, none of this is good.
Speaker 2: It's when you're on Grinder, It's when you're on dating apps.
Speaker 2: It's when you're on any kind of thing where something
Speaker 2: is Spotify, Spotify, it's like, well, something must be wrong
Speaker 2: with me because I don't like any of this. And
Speaker 2: then it is almost had a breakdown the other day
Speaker 2: on Spotify for this very reason because I was like,
Speaker 2: I need to find a new song.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh. Then I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't because it's like literally, it's like
Speaker 1: everyone's going through it. And I say this with all love,
Speaker 1: but like I sometimes I feel like I go on
Speaker 1: YouTube and I see what they give me and it's
Speaker 1: all just like clips of Bravo, like what happened with
Speaker 1: Lindsay and Carl or the Dark Universe thing, and then
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm looking at it and I'm like, think
Speaker 1: aboutmy and then yes, missel so you gaining baby, I know,
Speaker 1: goodlock babe. And it's just like it's like a it
Speaker 1: becomes like a soup circle. And this the same little
Speaker 1: micro culture work. I'm like, who am I? And then
Speaker 1: I read a book and I actually have been reading
Speaker 1: a book that you suggested, Mean Boys, Mean Boys by
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Mack. I'm reading Martyr by kave Akbar so good.
Speaker 1: You would love it. I think you would really love
Speaker 1: this book too. Actually, you know what, I have that book.
Speaker 1: They sent it to us, didn't they? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: they did. Somebody sent that to us. Somebody sent it
Speaker 1: to me. I was like, who who sent me this?
Speaker 2: And then like I let the galley set on my
Speaker 2: shelf flop flop behavior on my part, and then it
Speaker 2: came out and everyone is obsessed with that seth Meyers
Speaker 2: loves this book best five pans down and I read
Speaker 2: it and I was just like, Oh, this fucking rules.
Speaker 1: This is exactly my shit. You would love it.
Speaker 2: Reading is what find an endom. The library is where
Speaker 2: it's at. The vibes are immaculate.
Speaker 1: I go there. I'm like, this was college for me.
Speaker 1: Speaking of college, would wake up, go I was talking
Speaker 1: to Jared about this. He would go to the library Columbia.
Speaker 1: I would just go wake up, auto walk, walk to Bobs,
Speaker 1: spend nine hours there. I am all for the library.
Speaker 1: No cuts to libraries. Please donate to any library in
Speaker 1: your area. You won't regret it. Like Sarah Disca Parker
Speaker 1: did this whole like PSA on it that I really
Speaker 1: found cool. Like she was like, it's amazing, like that
Speaker 1: honor system, Like you have all these books, they're free,
Speaker 1: they're all yours as long as you bring them back.
Speaker 1: There's something beautiful about that whole idea. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's right. Anyway, I know there are some books I
Speaker 1: took out when I was a little kid that never
Speaker 1: got returned. I know it too. We've all don't think
Speaker 1: I'll ever get over it. No, no, not for me.
Speaker 1: Let it go. That's hot sun like guilt. That's it's
Speaker 1: not at all. But I feel similar shame, similar shame,
Speaker 1: Like I just tapped someone on Grinder. I feel so ashamed.
Speaker 1: What's the title of app? I don't think we landed
Speaker 1: on one. Whack it out? Yes? Period, Okay, I do
Speaker 1: have to go, he has to go. So guys, we
Speaker 1: end every episode with the song go so confusing sometimes
Speaker 1: to be good. Whenever anyone is messing with you, just
Speaker 1: say go. It feels so good, just amazing. We're ending
Speaker 1: this episode feeling so good. Bye Bye Last Culture. Reactis
Speaker 1: is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Many Players in
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Speaker 1: and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Sani,
Speaker 1: Produced by Becca Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Bab and
Speaker 1: Moniquela Board and our music is by Edmini Komerski