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Speaker 1: She's given you job opportunities and you Oh, first of all,

429
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: she did not give me a job opportunity. She was

430
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: kind about an opportunity I got in her video, which,

431
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: by the way, if you haven't seen it, not at

432
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: the end of the real music video. I'm basically one

433
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: of the leads of it. You are the lead. I

434
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: think you are the star of it. She wasn't on set.

435
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: Zoey Deschanel was on set. Love her, Love Zoe, Love Zoe.

436
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: Can I say you weren't there but because you had

437
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: to work. But I went to go see Katie in

438
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: Vegas for my birthday, like I love Katy Perry, Like

439
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a fucking thirty four year old gay man,

440
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: like California girls in teenage Dream hit when we were

441
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: what twenty two, Like, come on, we love Katy Perry

442
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Yeah exactly. It's like, I don't want to

443
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: be on here, fucking like, oh it sucks as she

444
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: worked with doctor Luke when she doesn't have to at all.

445
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: She just doesn't have to do at all. She just

446
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: doesn't think it sucks, as she wrote it for Rick Caruso.

447
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: I think some of the shit that she does sucks.

448
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean I don't think she's a great

449
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: fucking pop star. But if you what are we supposed

450
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: to do? Not talk about the fact that she's working

451
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: with doctor Luke, don't do it, then I think Katie

452
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: is like not in.

453
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: That window of unproblematic fave person. She's got all of Brazil,

454
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: so she's fine, you know what I mean. They want

455
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: her to come to Brazil so bad, and they don't

456
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: care about Rick Caruso and Brazil.

457
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: You know right, she did it then come to Brazil.

458
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I didn't invent it, but she like she

459
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: helped originate it. I'm ready to give her all the

460
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: credit that she deserves, one hundred percent, including the credit

461
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: for including doctor Luke in the credit. Yeah, no, nothing's

462
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: a mistake. It's just like, okay, so great. Can you

463
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: imagine in the Uni of Our Lord twenty twenty four

464
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: being her and being like, guess what you guys are

465
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: gonna gag? Guess who I'm working with doctor Luke. Here's

466
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: a big announcement. Here's an official announcement about it. It's like, huh, Like,

467
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: how is that supposed to make people feel exactly? Like excited?

468
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: What excited? For the bops? You're Katie Perry. You can

469
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: do them without him, you know? And then I guess

470
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: that's another thing to compare it to, like this generation

471
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: of pop girly and this moment where everyone's like supporting

472
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: each other and like being there for each other, and

473
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: like all those collabs that came out the other day,

474
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: and now you, in the same moment, are out here

475
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: with a track list that includes doctor Luke, who you

476
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: know allegedly raped one of your peers on a track

477
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: called Women's World, on a track called Woman's World. And

478
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: also like, notwithstanding even the sexual assault, but someone that

479
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: many of your other peers are on the record as

480
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: being like this guy's not a good guy. Lady Gaga

481
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: and Kelly Clarkson and Kesha included. Like I said, this

482
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: is not Kim Petris working with Doctor Luke. This is

483
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: not Doja Cat working with Doctor Luke, who were young

484
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: artists who maybe didn't have producers throwing themselves at them.

485
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. These are young queer POC

486
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: people who do not have the same opportunities as someone

487
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: like these other older, established white girls have. So I

488
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: never really liked when people were like, oh, fuck them

489
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: for working with Doctor Luke. It's like they're they're taking

490
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Maybe it's the only one that they had.

491
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I think it's a great idea

492
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: for people to work with him because of who he is.

493
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there is a big difference between Katy

494
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: Perry at her big age coming out here with Doctor

495
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: Luke on the track. Oh, I'm at a big age too.

496
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: We're all at a big age. We're at a big age.

497
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: We're all old enough to know better about this, And

498
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: I fucking love Katie Perry. I just want I want

499
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: better choices.

500
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: I was just going to say I brought up this

501
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: guy for a thing because I am convinced that she

502
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: more than some pop girlies. We know, and we might

503
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: ascribe this quality too, is like has had a history

504
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: of bully Sky?

505
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: Has not Sky? Katie? Oh no, I think even Sky

506
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 1: had a history of being bullied. I was like, well,

507
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: we have to help her. We have to get Kundans

508
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: counselors in it. We need mediators. Why is everyone picking

509
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: on Sky but you mean Katie bullying other people? Yeah, sure, Katie,

510
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: we know stories of Katie at Club thirty three. Okay.

511
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: The alleged beginning of the beef with her and Taylor

512
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: was that they both were a Club thirty three, which

513
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: is the secret the secret Disney restaurant, and Katie I

514
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: guess to break the ice because of like there was

515
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: like some John Mayer bullshit. Katie sent over a glass

516
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: of milk and Taylor like didn't like that or didn't

517
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: get it, and so that was the start of the feud.

518
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't actually the backup dancers. This is one of

519
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: my favorite conspiracy theories. It's a great conspiracy theory. It's

520
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: it's funny, but it's also like, well if that if

521
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: I were Taylor, I'd be like, yeah, fuck that girl.

522
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: It's the kind of okay, So again, we don't know

523
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: that this happened. Pretend let's pretend it did. Let's say

524
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: it's someone that is a peer of yours, you've been

525
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: friendly with, but now there's this weird thing because they're

526
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: dating your ex and you're already in a combative situation

527
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: because of what the industry does to women in that field.

528
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: Someone says, you know what, as a bit, I'm gonna

529
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: do this thing, and they send over a glass of milk,

530
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: which is I don't know how to describe anything other

531
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: than very sixth grade humor. It's so sixth grade. So

532
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: you get the milk, and it's like, whether you get

533
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: it or not, you have to be ready to have

534
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: the joke happen to you, and she obviously just wasn't.

535
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Who's ready for that joke? Though? Like you have to

536
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: have such low self esteem to be like, oh my god,

537
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: you got me girl, or like that was so funny

538
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: that you sent over milk? Why is it funny? You

539
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

540
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: Right?

541
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: It's nasty. Have you ever done that yet? No? I

542
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: would never fucking do that. Wait, what do you mean?

543
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: I just mean, have you ever done the bit of

544
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: or the thing of like hey to the waiter, like

545
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: can you send this person over a drink as a bit.

546
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: I've done it as a bit. I've done it as

547
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: a bit because I thought it was funny when I

548
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: was again, when I was in middle school, I was

549
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: an Applebee's and I was with a bunch of my

550
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: friends and one of my teachers was across the like

551
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: across the restaurant, and I said, oh my god, I

552
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: have the funniest bit. So I said to my waitress.

553
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: I was like, go bring a cherry coke over to

554
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: him and say, it's from the gentleman. It's from the

555
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: gentleman over there across the across the way, and I'll

556
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: be there waiting. And when they brought over the cherry coke,

557
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: the waitress dropped it and it went everywhere Queen queen,

558
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: and I think she had been midway. I think maybe

559
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: she was excited about doing the bit, and so she

560
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: was like midway through. I could see her mouth being like,

561
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: this is from the gentleman all and then like my

562
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: poor teacher like had like his covered in cherry coke,

563
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: which is you know, God, be a little bit more

564
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: involved than the regular coke to get out because you

565
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: got that sweet sweet grenadine in there. Though, the grenadine

566
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: be sticky. But there's nothing more I want than for

567
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: this to have been a real story. And the Club

568
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: thirty three waiter brought the milk over. This is from

569
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: the girl Dylan dropped the milk all over tailor and

570
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: swift at Disneyland, where you don't want to be covered

571
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: in milk at all.

572
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: Oh No, that's a fate worse than death. I just

573
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: that makes my fucking skin crawl. I'm sorry, there's something

574
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: about that. First of all, just period. I don't know

575
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: how you would answer this. Would you send buy anyone

576
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: a drink? Now at a restaurant, Let's say, like you

577
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: saw someone who was hot, Like, I'm gonna buy that

578
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: person a drink.

579
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: I have no idea how to engage in those situations

580
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: anymore I have. I don't know.

581
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how to be, how to be on

582
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: the receiving end of that, Not that it happens all

583
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: the time, but I'm just like what, I don't know.

584
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: Dating is way weirder now than it used to be,

585
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: for a litany of reasons. But I would rather just someone.

586
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: I would rather just be pursued than like be out

587
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: like trying to like be cute about it, you know

588
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: what I mean. I think that like, ultimately me as

589
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: a person, as a romantic partner, I think I respond

590
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: better to initially someone else expressing interest anyway. Yeah, but

591
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: also like I don't want to be weird and then

592
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: like someone someone gets a drink from me and they're like,

593
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: that's from that guy over there, and they like in

594
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: some way maybe know.

595
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: Who I am, and they're like, oh, ew, Matt Rogers

596
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: sent me a drink at a bar. Gross. Oh We're

597
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: never doing that. Yeah, I mean, it would never happen,

598
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, I'm just trying to negotiate,

599
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: like being out there interacting with eligible gay men, if

600
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: you're out there, if you're out there, and I just like,

601
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: I thought about sending a drink, and I'm like, that

602
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: can't be the move.

603
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: No, Like, if I tap a guy on Grinder, I

604
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: feel immediate shame. Even today, is that the equivalent? I'm like, oh,

605
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: why did I do that?

606
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I will say, tapping on grinder, you know,

607
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: people really don't like it. You ever see the profiles

608
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: on Grinder that are like no taps, absolutely no taps.

609
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck is the big idea, Like

610
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: what is the big fucking deal? Like, is Grinder just

611
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: the kind of place where people go to say things

612
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: like that? Or do they actually care? Are you just

613
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: trying to project a thing of like I have an

614
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: era of exclusivity around me, Like I don't do taps.

615
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: I don't do this? Is it because you can't be

616
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: like even more restrictive than that? And what your quote

617
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: unquote preferences are? So you do this weird flex on taps?

618
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. So you got tapped, someone

619
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: thought you were hot whatever, you are status minded in

620
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: a way that is like pathological at that point, I

621
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: just would love to interview someone for two minutes on

622
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: this podcast and you can do the voice the voice

623
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: things you dropped so no one knows who you are

624
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: about what it is you have against taps? Is it

625
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: just that you think it's flaky and you'd rather be

626
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: messaged directly? Like what is it? Who? For the kdies

627
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: out there? Do you want to explain taps? Oh? Yeah,

628
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: it's it's a way to get someone's attention on Grinder. Basically,

629
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: it's a way to like not saying anything without saying anything.

630
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: I saw at Flirt, which kind of a great UI thing. Right,

631
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: it's like a great like next evolution of like it's

632
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: like a Facebook poke. Yes ahead of content. Hauns is saying, yes,

633
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: it is exactly like a Facebook poke exactly. Anyway, that's

634
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: that I think us interviewing this person is going to

635
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: fall into oh what was that episode? Oh? That's really good.

636
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: The thing is like, I don't understand how we could

637
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: do another podcast, but that would be it. We also

638
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: what was that? Can just be a new segment on

639
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: this podcast, because you know how good we are about

640
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: keeping up with all the new segments. That is it over?

641
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: It's not well, let's see producer Beckett made us a dog?

642
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: Should we look at nineteen cents? I don't and can

643
00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: I tell you something of this? This is how I

644
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: I know it might be over. I don't want to

645
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: do that. Okay, that is over. Sister.

646
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: I am in lockstep with you. Whatever do you. This

647
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: is our partnership, this is friendship. It's gotta be a

648
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: hell yes from both of us. We are working it

649
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 2: out on the remix. We are working Oh my god.

650
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: I'm wucking remix. You know what. Here's the thing about

651
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: the excavation of years. We tried it, and it was

652
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: also a truly collaborative attempt at creating something new for

653
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: the podcast. But if we're really gonna work it out

654
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: on the remix, I think we started doing that because

655
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: of this idea that we like didn't want to pick

656
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: on like new culture that much because we are like

657
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: in like the training wheels phase of a new era.

658
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: Of the podcast. But like, I don't fucking care that much.

659
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: I just fucking talked match about Katie Perry for fifteen

660
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: minutes Deserve though. You know what I'm saying is it's

661
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: like we're not even talking shit. We're saying she's a

662
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: great fucking pop star, she's formative. We expect more from

663
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: her than a continuation of working with Doctor Luke, because

664
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 2: she's literally talented enough to not that's not really talking shit.

665
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: And she announced that she was voting the way she

666
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: was voting in LA So it's like, Okay, well, if

667
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna do that, then understand that you're it's a

668
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: hot button issue.

669
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot about her vote. Oh my god. Kay.

670
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: But they don't know who Rick Caruso is in Brazil.

671
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: It's actually a rule of culture number nineteen. They don't

672
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: know know Rick Caru in Brazil, hil and until Rick

673
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: Caruso gets the come to Brazil Lee, no one's checking

674
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: for him in La so that would be great.

675
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, but Katie, I feel like it's Katie and

676
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: everyone else on the coin.

677
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: The industry loves to spend to quote Ella Lord, the

678
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: Legend the voice. Can I say she ate that? What

679
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: is six plus two? Because she ate? Because she crushed

680
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: it and I was so emotional, oh throughout and then

681
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: with every line, and then because I ride for you, Charlie,

682
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: if you wanted to know, now you know, I was

683
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: just like and also the way that she wrote it,

684
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: the way she brought back the they say they had

685
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: we have this same hat. I was just like everything

686
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: about this is a great moment in pop and I think,

687
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: if there's any justice, it should be nominated for Pop

688
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: Duo Group.

689
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: Vocals at the Grammys. It is a moment and they

690
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 2: deserve it. What I find remarkable about the Lord verse

691
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: is that it is not like retaliatory like I think

692
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: Charlie would have been down for like, yeah Lord, do

693
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: the verse and like come for me, like because I

694
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: feel like if you go back and read Charlie's verse,

695
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: it is like a little bit like accusatory of like you, yeah,

696
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: what's the problem, what's the problem? You've like bailed on me.

697
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: I can't tell if you're being genuine like you girl,

698
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: so confusing. Sometimes it makes me insecure the way that

699
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: you treat me.

700
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: Because low kei, like Lord, is a much much, much

701
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: more commercially successful artist. She had been lauded in a

702
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: way that Charlie had it, and then everyone said to her, like,

703
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, you guys are a natural pair, like it's

704
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: a level up, like the two of you together. But

705
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: low Key on the other side of it, Charlie is

706
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: the coolest bitch in the game, and she's the one

707
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: who truly moves things forward. And probably everyone's low Key

708
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: in some way chasing what she does. Of course, So

709
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: there's insecurity and the dynamic and then literally it just

710
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: comes down to when we are together, it's weird, so

711
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: what the fuck? And then for the Lord to respond

712
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: with just vulnerability, just vulnerable. I love it.

713
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: It wasn't like, well here's what you've done. It's like,

714
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: oh no, I was so insecure myself. I canceled last

715
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: Mandy because I didn't feel worthy of your company. I

716
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: hated my body, Like all these things I love, it's

717
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: just self defense until you're building a weapon.

718
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: Mm h, that is wow. There was a line about

719
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: like I was at war with my body, like your

720
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: life seemed awesome. I didn't want to be in your pictures. Like,

721
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty relatable to everyone. Like you know,

722
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: when someone you don't really necessarily feel super comfortable with

723
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: because you think they're super hot or really admire them

724
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: their talent, or you think they're really smart, or you

725
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: feel small in some way around them. Their intentions can

726
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: be one hundred yes, but you don't feel good enough

727
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: to show up in that as yourself compete with whatever

728
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: it is. Because of everything going on internally, I have

729
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: certainly canceled on people who I just didn't really know

730
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: either what the intention was or why I would be,

731
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: why they'd benefit from having me around, et cetera. So

732
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: like I'm supposed to hang out with guys sometimes and

733
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: just like completely took myself out of it because I

734
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: didn't feel good enough. Yeah, I feel like Benny Drama

735
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: is my Lord, No, just kidding. I was like, like,

736
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: who's the gay equivalent? My jaw just dropped. I was like, no,

737
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: can you imagine poking the sweetest person on my old

738
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: planet Earth? No, I was going to say.

739
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: I was thinking, like, who's the game main equivalent to

740
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: Charlie XCX, and I think it's Benny Drama.

741
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh, I love that for him.

742
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: But meanwhile, Benny Drama is the coolest, the funniest, the sweetest.

743
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: We love Betty No, but that's why he is a

744
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: good example. It out there and he'd be like, Bowen,

745
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: what the fuck? And it would be a fun thing

746
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: because because one of the scariest things in the world

747
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: is doing that with someone that you actually have those

748
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: feelings about, which is why I respect Charlie and Lord

749
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: so much, just because they fully just aired this out

750
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: and like, in so many words, maximize their joint sleigh,

751
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: because that would be scary. I can speak for myself.

752
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you feel this is a way to do

753
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: that with our own peers in our own industry. Yeah,

754
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: the idea of like.

755
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 2: A girly beef is hopefully like this is a huge

756
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: moment in the perennial concept of like a beef between

757
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: pop girls, Like this is the way to do it,

758
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: Like God blessed Taylor Swift getting Katie Perry out in

759
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: the Hamburger costume, which I think is its own sort

760
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: of like retaliation.

761
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you so much for coming. Here's your costume.

762
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: You have to wear this.

763
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: You have to wear this for the way you've treated me.

764
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: But this is like, this is a huge watershed moment.

765
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: Don't worry, I'll look stupid too. She comes out in

766
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: a super schemy hot dog costume. Don't worry me too.

767
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: I'll be a food too, like tiny food, slim food,

768
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: slim food. That's healthy.

769
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: Oh stop, But.

770
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: I just think also confusing is like someone said, it's

771
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: the rate on me for people who do ketamine and period.

772
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: Y'all are y'all are on too much powders. Relax every

773
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: stop like every okay, cool, we all do ketamine. Like

774
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: stop talking about is what I want to put out

775
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: there as sort of a corollary to Elisiabatique. Let's take

776
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: a break from powders. And that's fine if you want

777
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: to do powders. I'm just like this whole thing of like, yes, community,

778
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: we're addressing you. We all know that everyone does ketamine. Okay,

779
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: now we can we can sort of just like it

780
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: doesn't have to become your personality. I get that it's

781
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: the summer and the summer is starting and it's probabe

782
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: like ketamine yay, Like K is not in leisure batique,

783
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: Like it might be a part, it might be a

784
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: part of what goes down, but like that's cute a K. Yeah,

785
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: it's becoming that thing of like when you're you know,

786
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: when you like just get into high school and you

787
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: start smoking weed or whenever you start smoking weed, it's

788
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: like you can talk about you started thinking all you

789
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: can talk about. It's just like I don't think the

790
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: it's not cool that we all do ketamine, you know

791
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: what I mean? Maybe it is all right. I mean

792
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: you are way cooler than me. So it's like, no, no,

793
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: that is We're not having this discussion. Let's walk it

794
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: out on the real remix. You know, I saw the

795
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: other night I did the monologues at Rap Scraps, which

796
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: is the New Asscat, and a couple things happened, so

797
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. But you know who was

798
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: performing was Tammy Seger. Oh my god, Tammy, and she

799
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: says hello, And I remember that night we went to

800
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: Joyantretoria and worked it out on the remix where we

801
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: worked at and Kat and Pat and BSJ. And also

802
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: her episode of Lost Coach Miss Sadie Cohen was a

803
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: moment when we really worked it out on the remix.

804
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: We walked through like a lot of hard feelings we

805
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: did that and that episode. But it was just funny

806
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: to see her there because like I was like, you know,

807
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: you're dangerous because you open up the floodgates emotionally. Oh yeah,

808
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: she got us to work it out in the remix. Actually,

809
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: very easy to talk to, you know what I mean,

810
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: like and so sometimes it's just like you you start

811
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: talking and then you've said things, but the other part

812
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, and this was emotional. Actually, so

813
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: did the monologues at Rat Scraps, which was the old

814
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: ascat you've done it before, we know, like from you know,

815
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: coming of age and comedy and a time when you

816
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: see it was Julie King in New York that, like Askat,

817
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: was like the hot to show. It's like such a

818
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: super big honor to do monologues for either that show

819
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: or Rat Scraps, which is all the classics from UCB

820
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: where they're improvising and just such a fun show. So

821
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: I did my monologues and they improvised scenes off them.

822
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: It was a really fun night. And then at the

823
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: end some kids came up who are Hammercats and danger

824
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: Box and they do reality show now at NYU, and

825
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: they were twenty one years old and they were literally

826
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: little versions of us, and they were so sweet and

827
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: they were like, they were like, we're so inspired by like,

828
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, you guys doing so well and we know

829
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: it started here, so we work really hard. And you

830
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: can just tell how inspired by they are by like

831
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: you and Stephanie Schu and Rachel Bloom and Shana taw

832
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: you know, shout Out two. The first time someone has

833
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: ever won for book nd score at the Tony's that

834
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: is Shana Talb. That is one hundred percent one of

835
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: the original girlies. And you know, it was just really amazing,

836
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: like and I realized, you know, they're coming up there

837
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: in that group. Now, these are our sketuled and improv

838
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: groups at NYU, everybody which were like stuff we cared

839
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: so deeply about, and you know, they're looking at a

840
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: world where like so many other people that went through

841
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: that like really succeeded I mean a hammercant fucking headline Coachella. Okay,

842
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: so like anything can happen. Yeah, But like what I

843
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: mean is it was really cool to see them so

844
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: obviously galvanized to be doing what they're doing. This one

845
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: girl was in Hammercats Danger Box reality show and was

846
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: a double major in drama and dramatic writing. I was like,

847
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: you are really going for it, but like they're really

848
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: going for it, and it made me so proud and

849
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: I should I knew it would make you proud too.

850
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm beaming. I'm like I'm doing like a

851
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: like a little like an emotional frown bottomized emoji. Oh.

852
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: I just.

853
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: That is like setting the groundwork for so much of everything.

854
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: It'll be a lot of disappointment and a lot of

855
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: like triumph.

856
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: And also like it is if you're yeah, you're really

857
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: centering the work early on, and that's like something that

858
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: like I kind of like have like thoughts about it.

859
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm like I should have.

860
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, could I have done more back in the

861
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: day to like throw myself into things, But like it

862
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, Like I mean, the.

863
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: Answer is clearly if you could have, you wouldn't have

864
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: needed to because look how everything has worked out. But

865
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: I too was a war course back then. It was

866
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: never enough.

867
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: I lived and breathed it like it was what I

868
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: thought about every day. Shout out to chemistry and my

869
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: Bachelor of Arts in chemistry at NYU.

870
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: But that was not the thing that was keeping me going,

871
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot to tell you. We did

872
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: Game Show the other night, and we do celebrity essences. Oh,

873
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: and the answer to them was was you. We're the

874
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: answer to what was you? Do you want to know

875
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: your celebrity essences? Yes? I have to know. Okay they did?

876
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: The people guess right or no, everyone knew it was you.

877
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: It was easy. That was my note for us with

878
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: game show this time. I was like, it was a

879
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: little too easy. But guys, whenever we do a Bellhouse

880
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: game show, you got a comment it's so fun, it's

881
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: so fun. So it was Louren Michaels, Oh god, three

882
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: dollars Bill, uh huh, there you go. Who's that going

883
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: to be? Mikey Day? Okay, the periodic table, This is

884
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: so easy, Matt Rogers and oh my god, what was

885
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: the fifth one? Uh? Oh, tomato? I thought about tomato,

886
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: but then I was like, people don't really know that. Yeah, okay, okay,

887
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: sure there was a fifth one. I'll think of it. Okay,

888
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: well I'm honored. Oh my god, that's a huge honor

889
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: to be in celebrity essence, Well, it was just gonna

890
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: be a twofer and it was gonna be Louren Michael's

891
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: in three dollars Bill. I mean, there we go. But

892
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: then I was like I was having too much fun

893
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: thinking of them. Uh, we had a really fun time.

894
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: It was really fun. But anyway, like seeing those kids

895
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: and I just want to look at them and say, listen,

896
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: you're pop girllies right now. They might disappoint you in

897
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: the future. Don't for example, you know teenage dream change

898
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: my life now. Crusale Voter who works with doctor Luke

899
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: still listen to me. I know you love Sabrina Carpenter,

900
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: I know you love Chapelon. They're humans. They might disappoint

901
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: you one day. I never forget what good luck they

902
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: meant to you. Now I'm just kidding. She'll now. I

903
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: think Chaperon will never disappoint anyone that's not putting any

904
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: pressure on her at all. No, And can I say

905
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: I feel very conscious of the fact that like watching

906
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: her blow up so fucking fast has of course been thrilling,

907
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: But you have been a big You've been a champion

908
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: for her since the beginning. I can't say I was first,

909
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: because that's insane, No, but like I was early a

910
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: straight man told me about Chapelane. Matthew Vaughn, my producer

911
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: of Have You Heard of Christmas? We were literally shooting

912
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: have you Heard a Christmas Dispecial? And he was like,

913
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: you have no idea this new girly chapelone and I

914
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, whatever, And then I listened to

915
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: casual and I was like, oh wait, do you have

916
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: a major point?

917
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 2: Matthew von deserves some kind of Elizabethigue Award. I mean

918
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: he produced Have You Heard of Christmas?

919
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. But but I mean, like that

920
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: is like a straight man with that kind of taste specificity.

921
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: It was fucking wild to watch her perform live. After that,

922
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. I went with him study

923
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: and I went with him to the show at the Fonda,

924
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: that famed Fonda show I talked about, and then I

925
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this is going to be

926
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: so major, And now it's so major like last night

927
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: at the Jimmy's, the girl who won the Jimmies like

928
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: shouted out chapelone, Oh my god, talk about the Jimmy's.

929
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: Oh the Jimmies were great, the winners were excellent. The

930
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: girl who won sang the Music that Make Me Dance

931
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: from Funny Girl Original Broadway. Oh wow, it was. It

932
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: was really amazing. And oh my god, the kid who won,

933
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: the guy who won sang make Them Hear You. And

934
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: also his medley had been Seymour, and he sort of

935
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: held back on his Seymour. But I'm like, I hope

936
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: he makes the finals because he's going to open up

937
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: and really show everyone something. And then he delivered a

938
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: performance that was Jimmy's lore. This was so great. And

939
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: you know I love the Jimmy's. I cry the whole

940
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 1: time watching how happy they are for each other. And again,

941
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: like I had just seen the kid the Hammercat's danger

942
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: Box reality show kids, and then I saw these kids

943
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: because they are so unjaded, you know what I mean.

944
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: They're just trying so hard. They wanted so bad and

945
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: it makes me happy and they were so gifted. Yet again, duh.

946
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: But chapelone did get mentioned and well, I guess what

947
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: I was saying is I do feel like her letting

948
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: everyone know that she's uncomfortable with the amount of fame

949
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: right now and that she's walking through it is something

950
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: that like is a really important thing for her to say,

951
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: because it means it's what she needs. And so therefore

952
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, while I'm so excited about what's

953
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: happening with her and what will happen with her, I

954
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: nervous is the wrong word. I'm just kind of like,

955
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: let everyone be cool, you know, healthily concerned. Yeah, like

956
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: be cool, because I mean, if it reminds everyone of Gaga,

957
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: I feel like when Gaga exploded, like her way of

958
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: coping was to pretend she was an authority on fame

959
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: and that it was her assignment. That was like essentially

960
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: a millennial coping mechanism, I think totally, whereas Chapel's coping

961
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: mechanism is very, very gen z. It seems where she's

962
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: just like gonna be authentically a little depressed about it,

963
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: like like you are losing something, you know, you get

964
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: on the mic now everyone listens to what you say,

965
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: whereas just six months ago you could see her at

966
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: skokey pride, and she could say whatever the fuck and

967
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: it would be whatever. But now it's you know, she's like,

968
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: she's probably gonna win Best New Artists at the Grammys.

969
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,479
Speaker 1: A skokey pride. Real, it should be Every city should

970
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: have a pride, including skokey. I agree. I got to

971
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: talk to her for Interview magazine and she is just

972
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: working through it. And what she kept saying was she good,

973
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: and which I think is like, so, this is what's

974
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: got out of me is that she kept saying, I

975
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: am just doing what I've always done, and I'm like, yes, yes,

976
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: you have. And I think I think she knows the

977
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: roadmap for her, which is just to like extrapolate based

978
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: on the way she's done things, which has been so

979
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: gradually like magnetizing, and now it's like this ground swell

980
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: where everyone kind of is obsessed with her. And I

981
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: just remember like the days before A Hot to Go

982
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: came out and she was just posting tiktoks from her

983
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: little bedroom and it was like just like just so

984
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: like I don't give a shit, like this is like

985
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: this is like not anything a pop star I would

986
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: have done ten years ago. And I love that there's

987
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: new model and like the proxy war between Sabrina and

988
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: Chapel is done. Like everyone like stand down, like Sabrina

989
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: carpeting good luck Babe is so good. It was so good.

990
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with that. I was so good. I mean,

991
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: Sabrina is a really talented singer, and I mean it's

992
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: a totally different sound than Chapel, but really just she

993
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: has a great technique. She's a great communicator. I love

994
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: her lyrics. I mean, all her stuff reminds me like

995
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton. If I feel like I keeps saying that

996
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: I said, that's to do it too, but it's please

997
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: please please, like really throws it back from me in

998
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: a in a way that I'm like, I bet you

999
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: know Dolly would be interested and proud of.

1000
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: To me, it's giving Judy sill the way she's sayings,

1001
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: motherfucker is Judy sil like from motherfuckertherfucker.

1002
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a moment in history right there. That's a

1003
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: moment in culture. Motherfucker is a moment in culture. And

1004
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: you know this, I see she's kind of uniting gays too.

1005
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. I see some people hedging on

1006
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: Chapel in a way where I'm like, why A, you're

1007
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: hedging on Chapel. You love Chapel, Put your hands up.

1008
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: It's a roller coaster, babe. Well, she's reached to the

1009
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: point now where she will invite contrarianism. That's it. God,

1010
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: can you imagine that's gotta do what fucks her up?

1011
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: Of course, because it's like, Wow, she's gotten to the

1012
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: point now where they're gonna start talking about me like

1013
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm not a person.

1014
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 3: So confusing sometimes so confusing. Sometimes should we do?

1015
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey,

1016
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: because mine is actually Chapel related. Oh this is our

1017
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: sixty second segment where we you sort of, you know,

1018
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: pop off something in culture. I'm actually gonna turn this inward. Okay,

1019
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: it's Chapel related, but it's introspective. Am easy. Well, this

1020
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers's I don't think so, honey. And as

1021
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so, honey. The collaborative

1022
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: decision to not give Chapel Rohan's good luck Babe, best

1023
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: bridge of the Year the last Cultu Racos Culture Awards.

1024
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: We gave it to Treacherous by Taylor Swift, a bridge

1025
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: that has been celebrated now for years and years and

1026
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: years and years, and I do have to say, while

1027
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: I love that bridge and I think it's a deserving

1028
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: winner in any other year, good Luck Babe is the

1029
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: Bridge of the Year period, point blank. There is no

1030
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: better bridge that it's been released than good Luck Babe.

1031
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: And I feel like maybe we thought we were giving

1032
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: Chapel a little too much and naming all these categories

1033
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: after her. She won Album of the Year for the

1034
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: second year in a row. Last year she won, we

1035
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: didn't even know what the album was called. It didn't

1036
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: exist yet, and she's still won Album of the Year.

1037
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: So she's an Album of the Year twice for the

1038
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: same thing. Maybe we thought we couldn't also give her

1039
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: Bridge of the Year for good Luck Babe. Well, what

1040
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: I want to say is at the time, I thought,

1041
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: am I going to regret this later? And I wish

1042
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: I could say back to me as because there is

1043
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: no better bridge and Chapel it's an apology from us,

1044
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: because I don't think so hunt and that's one minute.

1045
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: I co signed that apology. And I also want to

1046
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 2: put out there that good Luck Babe has is gonna

1047
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: be nominated for Best pre chorus.

1048
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah that is. That is a fucking great pre chorus. Yeah,

1049
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't.

1050
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: It's the perfect thing that launches you into the It's

1051
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: so propelling, it's so like it's exactly what a pre

1052
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: chorus should do, should be, which is to just fucking.

1053
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: Drive you step up. Yep, it's the launch of the

1054
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: roller coaster. That's what it is. By the way, I

1055
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: know you have to leave soon, but tell them you're

1056
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: gonna be late because I have to touch. I have

1057
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: to touch on Dark Universe. Do you want to do it?

1058
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't think twenty first, let's touch on Dark Well, yeah,

1059
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: I'll do my I don't think so many on Dark Universe.

1060
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna do it on Dark Universe. It's about Dark Universe.

1061
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: But it's so stupid. But I you've given me something,

1062
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Speaker 2: You've given me fodder here.

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00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: But I'm doing I'm doing the gen Z hand. Wait,

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Speaker 1: beck I get a picture of this? Did you get it?

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Speaker 1: Did you get Okay, got it? That's gonna be. This

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00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: actually was a little bit of a titillating episode. Okay, wait,

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Speaker 1: I'm so shook. This is Bowen Yang's I don't think so,

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: honey about something that's been really saving my life, and

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to I don't know what this is

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00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: gonna be. Bowen Yang's time starts now, I don't think so, Honey.

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Speaker 1: Me thinking that the steakhouse in Dark Universe was called

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00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: a Dark Steakhouse, but it's called dost Stickhouse. I thought

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Speaker 1: that these fucking creative geniuses at Universal who are putting

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Speaker 1: together Dark Universe, who are rolling this out like a

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00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: fucking like nothing we've ever seen before.

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00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: The hype is unlike anything I've ever felt before. But

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Speaker 2: I did have to go record scratch when they talked

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00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: about the restaurant called Dos Steakhouse. But I thought I

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00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: thought it was going to be called Dark Steakhouse, and

1080
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: they went, if that's what it's called, then I am.

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Speaker 1: I posted up at.

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00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: Dark Steakhouse every fucking night, because that's the funniest shit

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00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: I've ever heard.

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00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: I petitioning for them to change it to please call

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00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: it Dark Steakhouse for me, please. I will, I will,

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00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: I will go in, I will, I will invest money.

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00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: I want to go. I want to eat at a

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00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: restaurant called Dark Steakhouse. Yes, they will be serving steaks

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00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: on steaks because there will be what vampires who someone

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00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: invited in. Oh that's the one minute. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: So the restaurant is called Dost Steakhouse and it's not

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00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: called Dark Steakhouse, but I do. It would be so

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00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: funny if Epic Universe opened Dark Universe with Dark Steakak,

1094
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: like that would be so slay imagination on two? What

1095
00:59:54,560 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: are they some June month fags, unbelievable month, unimaginative June month.

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01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: And then like they'd be like, oh sorry when we

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01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: named it, we were all I'm kettymine, like what do

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01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: you Okay, it's called Dos Steakhouse. It will be run

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Speaker 1: by the Familiars of Vampires. Okay, so the Familiars, I see.

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01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: If you're not like me watching all this content and

1101
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: passing it on to Bowen Yang literally And do you

1102
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: watch the stuff that I send you? Of course I do.

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01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: I watch.

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Speaker 1: I watch a bit. Don't even I watched the entire

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01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: Jenny Nicholson Star Wars Hotel Takedown, so good right, I'm

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01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: obsessed with her. Yeah, she's terrific. She's Chapel roonish of

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01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: She's chapelone of YouTube because it's like drag. She'll show

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01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: up in like so many different looks, like and I'm

1109
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I love so many looks. She has

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01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: a giant plushes just in the background, sitting there while

1111
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: she's fucked, while she's in a fucking first order costume,

1112
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: like talking about how this hotel fucking sucks. I was like, Yeah,

1113
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: this is my girl. I really want to know, like

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01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: what she feels about the rollout of the Epic Universe stuff,

1115
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: because Okay, so basically my most anticipated land and this

1116
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: will shock people because I'm not a horror for person,

1117
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: but I am like a classic movie person, and these

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01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: kinds of horror movies I can do. So this is

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01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: classic Monsters, It's the Dark Universe. This is your wolf Man,

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Speaker 1: You're Frankenstein, your Dracula, You're a bride of Frankenstein, your

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01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: Bride's of Dracula, your Mummy, your creature from the Black Lagoon,

1122
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: et cetera. So basically, this is gonna be a whole

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Speaker 1: land in Epic Universe, and it is going to tear.

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Speaker 3: Down.

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Speaker 1: It is gonna down. They're basically elevating the concept of

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01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: the Haunted House and blowing it the fuck out. So

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01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: people have been on the Forbidden Journey ride the Harry

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: Potter Forbidden journey ride. You know, you sit in those

1129
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: chairs and they're like floating chairs. The benches they're they're

1130
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: giving that, but there's gonna be no note ceiling, so

1131
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like there's gonna be like three sixty

1132
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: wrap around screens end up to fifteen state of the

1133
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: art animatronic figures that tell this story, which is that

1134
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: Victoria Frankenstein, who's the great great granddaughter of mister Frankenstein

1135
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: by the way, go off. Doctor Frankenstein has decided to

1136
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: resume the family name, capture the monsters, and do a

1137
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: demo of how she's able to control them. Villain, wouldn't

1138
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: you know it? Something goes wrong? Okay, we did not

1139
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: learn from the original Frankenstein that, you know, we are

1140
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: not meant to control all nature. Man is not meant

1141
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: to control nature, and Havoc is going to ensue. And

1142
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: basically what they're describing this as is so so so

1143
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: in a word, county, because not only is a Victi,

1144
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: it's so Julia, and not only is Victoria Frankenstein popping off,

1145
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: but then across the way there's a Curse of the

1146
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: Werewolf roller coaster with a mystic named Malerva who warns

1147
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: us that we she warns us that we bear the

1148
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: curse of the werewolf. No, and then we speed off

1149
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: into the woods and the werewolf tries to you guess

1150
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: that eat get us to eat us. And so this

1151
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: is just this is women slaying or flopping with sleigh

1152
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: results all over this land, and that's like, I love it.

1153
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: There is dust steakhouse, there's a little makeup parlor where

1154
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: you can have monster makeup put on, and you can

1155
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: go back out into the park, not for me, but

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01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: for someone else. And then finally there is a Burning

1157
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: Blade tavern, which, if you're fans of the original Frankenstein,

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01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: you know of the windmill that burst into flame. That's

1159
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: going to be in the park and it's a full

1160
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: on bar. Okay. So this is sort of where I

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01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: completely shut the rest of my life off and just

1162
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: only focus on this on YouTube. My landing page is

1163
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: so embarrassing. I'm really nerdy about it, but it is

1164
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: making my life better on a day to day basis.

1165
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: While I sit here in my stx S winter breaker

1166
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: in my air conditioning, happy for you and I gleefully

1167
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: pass it on to you too. I get so excited

1168
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: about showing you this stuff and I receive it. This

1169
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: is this is a thing that people are talking about now,

1170
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: sunlike guilt. Oh yeah, go in, go into this. I

1171
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Speaker 1: implicitly know what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's like, and people in Vancouver feel it all the

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: time because they only get a small window of sunny

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01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 2: days here and they really make the most out of it.

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01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: And I really love that culture. Like these these are

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Speaker 2: people who are go getters. We're active activated. But sunshine guilt,

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Speaker 2: sunlike guilt.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, the days so nice outside, I guess

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01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: we have to go and like gallivants, Well you don't.

1180
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: You don't have to do anything because the weather is

1181
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: a certain way. I mean, I I completely understand. And

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01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a form of fomo. I guess right,

1183
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: it's a form of fomo. But like, here's how I

1184
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: know that.

1185
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: I'm like not, I'm not like other girls go on

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01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 2: all these gays posting from Central Park from like Sheep's

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: Meadow or whatever.

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01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, couldn't be me. Yeah, I ah, you know,

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01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to imagine going out and laying

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01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: out in the park and.

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01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: The words Vanessa Hudgens. I respect it, but I don't

1192
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 2: know that I would ever engage in that, and maybe

1193
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: something's wrong with me, but that is like Sheep's Meadow

1194
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 2: is Sunshine guilt Central. Well, I just feel like there's

1195
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: nowhere to get relief from how hot it's going to be,

1196
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like it's not going to

1197
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 2: the beach, hanging out by the pool or something where

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01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 2: you can kind of dip in, dip out whatever. It's

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Speaker 2: like if you're going to the park or like something

1200
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 2: like that. It's like you're laying on that towel and

1201
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: I hope you're able to adjust to whatever the situation

1202
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: presents itself, because that is the situation. But here's what

1203
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm doing, and I'm dead ass about this. I'm going

1204
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: to the library this summer because guess what they have

1205
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: cooling stations. They literally is room in the budget which

1206
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: is being slashed too fucking nothing by Eric Adams.

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01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fucking awful and has been fucking awful. And

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01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that there's like to see the uprising

1209
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: against them because it's been time. It's God, this guy sucks.

1210
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: Like the libraries have cooling stations. I just got my

1211
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Public Library card. There's a new one in Brooklyn Heights,

1212
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: not a new one, but it's just it just they

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01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: renovated it. It's an old church. It is chic as hell.

1214
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 2: I'm going there. I'm browsing all the DVDs. Oh my god,

1215
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: I need to talk to you about James Seamus, who

1216
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: go with the original Wedding Bank but with Angley Is

1217
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: also has also co written the remake with Andrew On.

1218
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 2: He finally came to set this week and so lovely

1219
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: and we went to dinner and he has this whole

1220
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Speaker 2: treatise on how streamers are basically ruining culture, all culture.

1221
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: It's like, I just I have to get into this

1222
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: with you, like in person, and I will bring this

1223
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: to lost culture. But this is like our culture is

1224
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 2: ruined because all of our culture is like browsing below

1225
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 2: the fold, right, It's like you go on the landing page,

1226
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 2: you see the title and if that doesn't appeal to you,

1227
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 2: you go, let me go down. And the further down

1228
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: you go, the more this feeling s that's in of well, fuck,

1229
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 2: I don't like any of this shit.

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01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is really astute observation. I think

1231
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: about that all the time.

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Speaker 2: That's all of our culture. It's when you shop online.

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01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 2: It's that exact experience of the further down you go,

1234
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 2: you're like, well, none of this, none of this is good.

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01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: It's when you're on Grinder, It's when you're on dating apps.

1236
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,919
Speaker 2: It's when you're on any kind of thing where something

1237
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: is Spotify, Spotify, it's like, well, something must be wrong

1238
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: with me because I don't like any of this. And

1239
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: then it is almost had a breakdown the other day

1240
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: on Spotify for this very reason because I was like,

1241
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 2: I need to find a new song.

1242
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh. Then I was like, oh my god,

1243
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't because it's like literally, it's like

1244
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: everyone's going through it. And I say this with all love,

1245
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: but like I sometimes I feel like I go on

1246
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: YouTube and I see what they give me and it's

1247
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: all just like clips of Bravo, like what happened with

1248
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: Lindsay and Carl or the Dark Universe thing, and then

1249
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm looking at it and I'm like, think

1250
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: aboutmy and then yes, missel so you gaining baby, I know,

1251
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: goodlock babe. And it's just like it's like a it

1252
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: becomes like a soup circle. And this the same little

1253
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: micro culture work. I'm like, who am I? And then

1254
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: I read a book and I actually have been reading

1255
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: a book that you suggested, Mean Boys, Mean Boys by

1256
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Mack. I'm reading Martyr by kave Akbar so good.

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: You would love it. I think you would really love

1258
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: this book too. Actually, you know what, I have that book.

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01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: They sent it to us, didn't they? Yeah? I think

1260
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: they did. Somebody sent that to us. Somebody sent it

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01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 1: to me. I was like, who who sent me this?

1262
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: And then like I let the galley set on my

1263
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 2: shelf flop flop behavior on my part, and then it

1264
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 2: came out and everyone is obsessed with that seth Meyers

1265
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 2: loves this book best five pans down and I read

1266
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: it and I was just like, Oh, this fucking rules.

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01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: This is exactly my shit. You would love it.

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Speaker 2: Reading is what find an endom. The library is where

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Speaker 2: it's at. The vibes are immaculate.

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Speaker 1: I go there. I'm like, this was college for me.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of college, would wake up, go I was talking

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Speaker 1: to Jared about this. He would go to the library Columbia.

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Speaker 1: I would just go wake up, auto walk, walk to Bobs,

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Speaker 1: spend nine hours there. I am all for the library.

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Speaker 1: No cuts to libraries. Please donate to any library in

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Speaker 1: your area. You won't regret it. Like Sarah Disca Parker

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Speaker 1: did this whole like PSA on it that I really

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Speaker 1: found cool. Like she was like, it's amazing, like that

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Speaker 1: honor system, Like you have all these books, they're free,

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Speaker 1: they're all yours as long as you bring them back.

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Speaker 1: There's something beautiful about that whole idea. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's right. Anyway, I know there are some books I

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Speaker 1: took out when I was a little kid that never

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Speaker 1: got returned. I know it too. We've all don't think

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Speaker 1: I'll ever get over it. No, no, not for me.

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Speaker 1: Let it go. That's hot sun like guilt. That's it's

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Speaker 1: not at all. But I feel similar shame, similar shame,

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Speaker 1: Like I just tapped someone on Grinder. I feel so ashamed.

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Speaker 1: What's the title of app? I don't think we landed

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Speaker 1: on one. Whack it out? Yes? Period, Okay, I do

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Speaker 1: have to go, he has to go. So guys, we

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Speaker 1: end every episode with the song go so confusing sometimes

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Speaker 1: to be good. Whenever anyone is messing with you, just

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Speaker 1: say go. It feels so good, just amazing. We're ending

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Speaker 1: this episode feeling so good. Bye Bye Last Culture. Reactis

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Speaker 1: is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Many Players in

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Speaker 1: My Heart radio podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers

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Speaker 1: and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Sani,

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Speaker 1: Produced by Becca Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Bab and

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Speaker 1: Moniquela Board and our music is by Edmini Komerski