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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody to the Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show on this lovely Wednesday, all across the land.

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Speaker 1: A lot of news to talk about. Trump's big Golden Dome,

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Speaker 1: the biggest, beautifulest, most golden Dome. Talked about it yesterday,

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Speaker 1: got into some really interesting stuff about the future of warfare.

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Speaker 1: AI technology integrated into a global a global battlefield. It's

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Speaker 1: so much stuff to dive into on that, and we

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Speaker 1: will update you on some of the key moments from it.

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Speaker 1: And our friend Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth was there

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Speaker 1: as well as long as well as the leader of

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Speaker 1: Space Force. Space Force getting their moment in the sun,

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Speaker 1: if you will. Something that Trump came up with as

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Speaker 1: an idea looks pretty press in retrospect, doesn't it. At

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Speaker 1: the time, I remember there was snickering. There was oh,

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Speaker 1: Space Force, what was it gonna be like Star Trek. No, Actually,

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Speaker 1: it's really important as Elon and SpaceX are the pre

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Speaker 1: eminent satellite launch company slash nation state in the world,

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Speaker 1: and something like Clay, I think eighty percent of the

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Speaker 1: satellites in orbit are SpaceX launched at this point. So

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Speaker 1: the world is the world of space is changing so rapidly,

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Speaker 1: and it affects us so much. This is no longer

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Speaker 1: just about oh, maybe we can do a cool thing

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Speaker 1: and and get you know, figure out something the first

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Speaker 1: time we did this or no. No, this is affecting

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Speaker 1: telecommunications for all of us. It's affecting targeting on the

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Speaker 1: battlefield's there's a huge world of stuff that we've been

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Speaker 1: thinking is coming for a long time. It is here imminently,

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Speaker 1: and so we we'll talk a bit about that. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Golden Dome stuff is big. Clay is also going

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Speaker 1: to update us on this. Right. It was a state

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Speaker 1: assembly woman in Maine's the It's crazy that the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court of the United States had to weigh in to

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Speaker 1: get Laurel Libby, who is in Maine, and I know

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of people listening in Maine to

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Speaker 1: get her able to vote again because they basically stripped

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Speaker 1: her of all representative rights because she spoke out against

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Speaker 1: a boy winning a girls championship in the state of Maine.

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Speaker 1: And so I we've had her on the show before

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Speaker 1: and we may have her on the show again. But

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Speaker 1: I just the world that we have entered where the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court of the United States has to get involved

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Speaker 1: because Democrats don't want anyone to speak out against men

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Speaker 1: and women's sports, and in fact will not allow them

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Speaker 1: to be representing their district. Ah, I buck this thing

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Speaker 1: off the crazy train.

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Speaker 2: Democrats are on a crazy train going so fast that

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Speaker 2: I can't even believe some of the places we end up.

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Speaker 1: I know we have to keep playing whack a mole

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Speaker 1: with this too. I wish that we could say this

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Speaker 1: argument is done and over with. We won, but they

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Speaker 1: won't stop. So we can't stop because if we do,

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Speaker 1: we seed ground to them in there. Crazy anyway, Clay

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Speaker 1: O bring us into that. I think it's a really

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Speaker 1: interesant conversation. More from Tom Homan on the border. But

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Speaker 1: so look, let's take a moment here. Okay, we had

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Speaker 1: had this exchange here Clay and I and all of

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Speaker 1: you and a lot of you weighed in about this book,

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Speaker 1: that original sin, this book that has come out which

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Speaker 1: I stand behind. I do not advise you know, you

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Speaker 1: can read some of the excerpts if you want online

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Speaker 1: and you'll get the idea. I don't think that you

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Speaker 1: learn very much. The specifics of the details might be

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Speaker 1: somewhat lurid, but we already knew all of this, So

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Speaker 1: this would only be news to people so foolish that

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Speaker 1: they believe the Democrat media when they said Biden didn't

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Speaker 1: have dimension. This would only be a situation of oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, revelation for people who were completely hoodwinked by

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Speaker 1: this con And we were not, as we know from you,

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Speaker 1: and neither were any of you. Because if you chose right, Clay,

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Speaker 1: if you choose to listen to this show, it means

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Speaker 1: you are independent, thinking enough, and wise enough to see

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Speaker 1: through the bull crap that places like CNN and The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post were peddling. Right, so we're already you know,

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Speaker 1: we're sitting here like we already knew. Okay, But we

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Speaker 1: had talked about whether we would have Jake Tapper on

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Speaker 1: Jake Tapper is a guy who in earlier years, when

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Speaker 1: CNN was feeling robust, he was a behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: a very nasty guy with very sharp elbows and very

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Speaker 1: underhanded in his dealings with people in media, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: and I could give lots of details about it and

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, he's coming out like a

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Speaker 1: you know, I guess maybe I was wrong. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: do we have him on or not? That was the question. Well,

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Speaker 1: now I think it's kind of moot because he went

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Speaker 1: on Meghan Kelly's show. And full credit to Megan, who

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Speaker 1: is a great interviewer and is you know, is fearless.

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Speaker 1: She and Jake are friends and she's open about that

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Speaker 1: they're friends. He went on her show. I thought, come on,

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Speaker 1: there's no way she's gonna really hold him to account. Now,

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Speaker 1: would he have gotten rougher stuff Clay if he had

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Speaker 1: come on this show first, Yes, But did she fulfill

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Speaker 1: the necessary role here of not letting him get away

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Speaker 1: with lies and nonsense and asking the tough questions? Yes

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Speaker 1: she did, Yes she did. I mean I think on

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Speaker 1: this show it would have been like it would have

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Speaker 1: been hard for me not to start swearing, honestly. But

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Speaker 1: here we go. Let's start with some of this. Claut's

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Speaker 1: work through some of this together. This is one of

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Speaker 1: the better moments. This is from Megan's interview with Tap

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Speaker 1: and you say, Buck, why are we talking this because

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Speaker 1: we're still in the early stages of the Democrats finally

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Speaker 1: admitting what we were saying all along. And it's the

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Speaker 1: biggest political scandal of our lifetime. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: could be bigger than this. And it's the biggest media

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Speaker 1: scandal of our lifetime for sure. This is cut to

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Speaker 1: Megan Kelly's show with tapp or play it over here.

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Speaker 3: In my ecosphere, we were covering all of these. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't just falling down, it was getting lost.

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Speaker 1: It was some of the stuff you report in your book.

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Speaker 3: We knew and we were reporting on, like the multi

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Speaker 3: jump cuts in the videos of him, or it was

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Speaker 3: obvious he couldn't get through a one minute take. It

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Speaker 3: was clear to us that he was using teleprompter, and

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Speaker 3: there was some reporting on that at the time, all

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Speaker 3: of which the White House was denying. Now the current

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Speaker 3: white House, I have some connections with the Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: white House. I had none, but you did. There was

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Speaker 3: an attempted cover up. It could only ever work if

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Speaker 3: you allowed it, if the press allowed it.

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Speaker 1: Some of us tried not to, and some of us

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Speaker 1: were complicit.

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Speaker 4: The Biden white House did not like me. Okay, this

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Speaker 4: is I do not have great connections with the Biden

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Speaker 1: Well, clearly source.

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Speaker 3: You said you talked to over two hundred sources for

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Speaker 2: And worked.

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Speaker 4: No, that's the point is that they were not being honest.

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Speaker 2: That's let's play a couple of these, because I think

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Speaker 2: what she said is important. He says, I didn't have

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Speaker 2: great contacts in the Biden White House. Well that's a

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Speaker 2: lie and also totally but he brags about interviewing two

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Speaker 2: hundred people for a tell all book, So you have

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Speaker 2: to have some connections to be able to get them

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Speaker 2: to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: This also is great.

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Speaker 2: And she goes off on him and says, one of

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Speaker 2: us didn't miss the biggest story of the century in

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Speaker 1: Cut three go.

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Speaker 3: On the Street journal get it in June of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, and Jake Tapper and CNN couldn't find sources

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Speaker 4: Annie Lynsky and Shavon Hughes did an amazing job in

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Speaker 4: their reporting and they should be heralded.

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Speaker 5: And I old them.

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Speaker 4: I had them on my show right after the debate

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Speaker 3: But you did not put them on when they published

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Speaker 3: that story, which was before the debate.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the booking situation was, but it

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Speaker 4: wasn't because I didn't want them.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I said that, let's book that did they?

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Speaker 6: You?

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Speaker 3: You put on a democrat and you allowed the Democrat

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Speaker 3: to rive on the report as a Ruper Murdoch sponsored

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Speaker 1: It's just that what we going to do.

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Speaker 4: If we're going to if we're going to do this,

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Speaker 4: let's just stick to the facts here, Okay, when there

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Speaker 4: is a damnator.

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Speaker 3: That's what I've been doing all along. I'm one of

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Speaker 3: us didn't miss the biggest story of the century when

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Speaker 3: it comes to presidential politics, and one of us did.

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Speaker 2: I give her credit. This is what I wanted us

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Speaker 2: to do if we had Jake on instead. Megan did it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm one more because I do think this matters. Buck,

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Speaker 2: I will give Jake Tapper some small measure of credit here.

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Speaker 2: He says he apologized to Laura Trump. We talked about

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Speaker 2: this on the show, because he ripped her and said, oh,

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Speaker 2: you're mocking his stutter and and derided the idea that

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Speaker 1: Or a horrible thing to say. Yes, a horrible thing

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Speaker 1: to say. I mean to say, what what a kids

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Speaker 1: it was it was gutter stuff that he pulled with

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Speaker 1: Laura Trump, who you know, you know her, Clay, I

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Speaker 1: know her. It's a lovely person, Okay. It is like

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Speaker 2: Well, and what it's representative of is I've seen less

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Speaker 2: of this, but I was concerned on Sunday when you say, hey,

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Speaker 2: I don't believe Joe Biden when he says he found

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Speaker 2: out he had cancer on Friday. That doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: you want somebody to be unsuccessful in their fight against cancer, right,

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Speaker 2: And so when you criticized Joe Biden, what they tried

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Speaker 2: to say was, oh, well, that's you're being unfair. You're

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Speaker 2: going after him because of a stutter, which is designed

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Speaker 2: to limit any criticism by directly attacking you. That is

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Speaker 2: a clear attempt that they made to try to protect

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Speaker 1: Pure propaganda, which nobody believed. And here's why they Clay,

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Speaker 1: no person would think, first of all, if you're making

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Speaker 1: fun of a stutter, you would make fun of a stutter.

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Speaker 1: And nobody in public life would think that making fun

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Speaker 1: of a stutter is something that you should do, because

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Speaker 1: people would say that's cruel, that's a jerk move. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: talking about a president having dementia who has the nuclear

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Speaker 1: codes is fair gain. And by the way, this is

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Speaker 1: just a natural outgrowth of anything we don't like as racist,

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Speaker 1: anything we don't like as sexist. They don't actually address

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Speaker 1: the arguments. As soon as you go to a personal attack,

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Speaker 1: that is a sign that you have lost the argument.

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Speaker 1: But to Jake Tapper's minimal credit here he is. He

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Speaker 1: says he has apologized to Laura Trump cut for you cover.

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Speaker 3: The Biden presidency aggressively throughout the four years, and you

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Speaker 3: didn't cover mental acuity hardly at all. I mean time

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Speaker 3: and time again when issues came up. You seem to

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Speaker 3: be running cover for the president. Interested Well, I mean,

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Speaker 3: we'll start with a Laura Trump issue that you referred.

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. So just now in the Oval Office,

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Speaker 1: Trump is meeting with the President of South Africa. Have

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Speaker 1: you seen this yet, Buck, Oh yeah uh.

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Speaker 2: He dimmed the lights in the Oval Office and played

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to give you a heads up. Buck.

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Speaker 2: This is something we've talked about quite a lot on

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Speaker 2: But remember one of the CNN commentators said, why don't

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Speaker 1: The Dutch East India company land around the what is

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Speaker 9: Anyway, It's interesting the way these things are spoken about

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Speaker 2: Look, sorry, I'm just catching up because of this Oval

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Well, and again I'm texting in different clips that have

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Speaker 2: What is really happening here in the Oval Office is

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Speaker 2: I can already tell you what the response to this

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Speaker 2: in South Africa when it impacts white people, right, And

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Speaker 2: more likely to be victims of violence in South Africa,

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Speaker 2: which is true because they're the majority of the country.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you what the talking points will

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Speaker 2: be in response to this.

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Speaker 1: But let's keep digging into this, right, Let's keep having

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Speaker 1: this fight with them, because they're wrong, and so they'll lose.

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Speaker 1: The more that's exposed, the more that is known about this,

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Speaker 1: the weaker the Democrat position becomes, which is true of

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Speaker 1: almost every Democrat position, I think, But in this case,

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Speaker 1: I think they're digging a deeper hole for themselves than

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Speaker 1: they realize. First of all, the people, and you're right

447
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Speaker 1: about what their talking points will be. The people that

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Speaker 1: would make that case, though, are also people who in

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Speaker 1: this country, for example, well say they only care about

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Speaker 1: let's say police brutality or police violence that involves members

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Speaker 1: of the black community, correct, even though guess what, overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: it is members of the white community who suffer from

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Speaker 1: state or police violence. But they will say, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: all about the proportion. Okay, Well, then let's take a

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Speaker 1: look at the proportional violence in South Africa, and let's

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Speaker 1: also take a look at the you know, the reason,

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Speaker 1: the motive for that violence, and it is in many

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Speaker 1: cases explicitly anti white and it is encouraged by the state.

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Speaker 1: So mir the people who are objecting to the South

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Speaker 1: African migrants when they apply a similar framework of state

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Speaker 1: violence racism in this country, you can see they actually

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Speaker 1: have no principles to work on whatsoever, that it's only

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Speaker 1: what happens here and what happens there they view as

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Speaker 1: totally you know, irrelevant comparisons when they're actually very apt comparisons. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean I use this analogy all the

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Speaker 2: time because I think it is an important aspirational goal. Lady,

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Speaker 2: justice is blind, go look at any exact I've heard

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Speaker 2: you say that before, You've heard me say it. But

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's such an important example to use

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Speaker 2: because it's an aspirational goal for all of society that

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Speaker 2: we would weigh guilt or innocence based.

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Speaker 1: Not in any way on what the.

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Speaker 2: Race or gender, or ethnicity, or religion or sexuality is

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Speaker 2: of the accused that we would just look at the facts,

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Speaker 2: and in many ways, what happens is we swung right

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Speaker 2: from admittedly racism against minorities to racism is okay in

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Speaker 2: favor of minorities to make up for racism in the past,

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Speaker 2: and we skipped right over trying to have fair and

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Speaker 2: impartial application of justice.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is now you're hitting on the critical principle

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Speaker 1: that is so upsetting. So there's the immigration component of

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Speaker 1: this right, which is America shouldn't take in any white

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Speaker 1: people really as immigrants period. I mean, that's what the

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Speaker 1: Democrats actually want. Democrats believe that a less white America

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Speaker 1: will inherently be a more just America because it is

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Speaker 1: the white people in America who do all the oppressing,

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Speaker 1: right if you actually take their life, So they think

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Speaker 1: that a more just America must be a less white America.

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Speaker 1: That is a left wing Democrat belief. So that's on

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Speaker 1: the immigration piece, Clay. But the other piece, which is

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Speaker 1: what you just touched on, is in South Africa, you

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Speaker 1: have a dender rights case of black racism against white

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Speaker 1: people as a matter of law, as a matter of policy,

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Speaker 1: and as a matter of day to day life. Well,

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Speaker 1: if it's possible. There doesn't that go against the narrative

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Speaker 1: in this country of only white people can be racist? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it distracts.

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Speaker 2: This is what I would say is a foundational idea

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Speaker 2: that I would encourage all of you to contemplate if

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Speaker 2: you haven't already come to the conclusion white, Black, Asian

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Speaker 2: and Hispanic people can all be racist. That is one

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Speaker 2: billion percent true.

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Speaker 1: Kind of like we're very anti cancer here, we're very

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Speaker 1: anti racism. Yes, but you know the thing with like

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Speaker 1: the cancer, like there's no good cancer, and there's no

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Speaker 1: good racism. We're anti it across the board. I'm anti

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Speaker 1: any racial animis based on skin color. I'm anti all tumors, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is you can be consistent. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: we wish nobody ever died. We would be very pro

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Speaker 1: immortality too. Yes, we are pro anti death, anti death,

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Speaker 1: pro living. But I do think that that statement that

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Speaker 1: I just made white, black, Asian, and Hispanic people can

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Speaker 1: all be racist. Many Democrats, many left wing voters would say, no, Clay,

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Speaker 1: you're wrong. Oh, the fundamentally reject that, Yes, only white

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Speaker 1: people can be racist, and therefore we can only focus

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Speaker 1: on racism white in the direction of black Asian or Hispanic.

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Speaker 1: And what's really fascinating about this is you questioned me.

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Speaker 1: You say, Okay, Clay, I don't disagree.

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Speaker 2: Remember when stop Asian Hate just vanished, when they decided

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Speaker 2: that Asian hate was actually being driven.

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Speaker 1: You know what the problem with that campaign was surveillance cameras. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was rough. They started rough.

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Speaker 2: It was like two months they were like this and

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Speaker 2: it was that post COVID they were like, this rise

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Speaker 2: of anti Asian hate is unexcepted.

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Speaker 1: They the media was like, must be guys named Billy,

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Speaker 1: Bob and Maga.

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Speaker 2: Hats and no, it turned out it was not mostly

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Speaker 2: black guys beating up innocent Asian people. And they were like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: Asian hate's really not that big of a deal. And look,

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Speaker 2: hate is wrong. Racism is wrong, but it can run

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Speaker 2: in many different directions, be condemned everywhere.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this is interesting too. Trump.

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Speaker 2: I don't know I've ever seen a president who loves

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Speaker 2: athletes more. He's got Ernie Els and Ratief Goosen, two

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Speaker 2: famous South African golfers with him in the media, and

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Speaker 2: Ernie Els and Ratief Goosen have spoken out to say

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Speaker 2: they want to see the country flourish, but they have

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Speaker 2: to end racism in the country in order for that

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Speaker 2: to happen. So those are two white golfers who many

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Speaker 2: of you out there who are golf fans will know

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Speaker 2: very well, Ernie L's or Chief Goosen, both major winners

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Speaker 2: in the PGA Tour, and just goes there just this

544
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Speaker 2: is another moment where Trump is forcing the Democrats. It's

545
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Speaker 2: like the MS thirteen guy and that we're all supposed

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Speaker 2: to care so much that he was deported, you know,

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Speaker 2: the bad guy. Trump is forcing the Democrats here because

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Speaker 2: he knows how they think to defend the indefensible, which

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Speaker 2: is the policies right now of South Africa. They are

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Speaker 2: morally and intellectually indefensible. If you're anti racism, yes, and

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Speaker 2: it's an example of moving from apartheid, which was wrong,

552
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Speaker 2: to now a new form of racism, which is white

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Speaker 2: no longer being in the control of the government. I

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Speaker 2: think they're seven percent of the population. I would also

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Speaker 2: point out and being discriminated against by the majority black

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Speaker 2: ruling class. Now I would also point out Elon Musk

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Speaker 2: is South African, so I think I would I would

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Speaker 2: bet that one reason Trump has become more aware of

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Speaker 2: this is that Elon Musk has been outspoken about what

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Speaker 2: he has seen in his country, and I think Trump

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Speaker 2: has certainly become aware of it in a way that

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Speaker 2: he might not have.

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Speaker 1: Think about how powerful the narrative really is that's been

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Speaker 1: sort of foisted on everybody in this country. Can you say,

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Speaker 1: if you walk into a room, you're like, Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: is an African. Do people think that you're you know

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Speaker 1: that that's weird? They they they there's automatically right, you

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Speaker 1: say it, and they go, oh, whoa, whoa, what do

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Speaker 1: you mean? So, so there are land masses that are

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Speaker 1: only for certain like massive land masses that are only

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Speaker 1: for people of a certain skin color. Is that is

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Speaker 1: not the position that they take, but that is the

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Speaker 1: position that democrats take.

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Speaker 2: Evon Musk is factually the most successful African American in

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Speaker 2: the history of the United States.

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Speaker 1: He's the most yeah, most American in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yes, maybe the most successful African American in the history

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Speaker 2: of Africa existing as we know it in civilization. Certainly

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Speaker 2: he's up near the top of the list. Maybe they'll

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Speaker 2: make a statute to him in the new African American

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Speaker 2: Museum going up on the National mall. That would be

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine Can you imagine the reaction if Trump

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Speaker 2: came out and said, Hey, I think we need an

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Speaker 2: Evon musk wing in the new African American mall that's

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Speaker 2: reaction to that would be absolutely hysterical.

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Speaker 1: All right, look, we'll get back into this. We'll actually

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Speaker 1: by law professor emeritus and best selling author Alan Dershowitz.

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Speaker 1: He's got a new book out released just yesterday, The

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Speaker 1: Preventive State, The challenge of preventing serious harms while preserving

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Speaker 1: You'll impress everybody who sees you with how smart you are.

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Speaker 1: Professor Dershowitz, good to have you on.

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Speaker 6: Hey, it's great to be on. It's a very topical

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Speaker 6: book because it deals with all the preventive mechanisms that

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Speaker 6: we use to try to stop crying from occurring. Like

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Speaker 6: deportation also, yep.

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Speaker 1: I was going to jump right into that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: tell us about tell us about the deportation piece, and

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Speaker 1: how you think the administration is doing on a legal

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Speaker 1: front there.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, deportation is one of the oldest forms

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Speaker 6: of prevention known to humankind. That used to be called exile.

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Speaker 6: If we were afraid of somebody, we would exile them

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Speaker 6: and make them leave the country. And so we're using

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Speaker 6: that now as a mechanism of prevention. And I would

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Speaker 6: say that I would give a split verdict to the administration.

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Speaker 6: They're doing the right things substively. That is, they're trying

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Speaker 6: to throw the right people out. They're trying to make

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Speaker 6: sure that we're not subject to crime by gang members.

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Speaker 6: On the other hand, they're not doing such a great

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Speaker 6: job on due process. And the Supreme Court has basically

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Speaker 6: come down with split decisions. They basically said, look, the

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Speaker 6: president has the authority to decide who's in the country

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Speaker 6: and who's not in the country, but he has to

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Speaker 6: cross every constitutional t and dot every constitutional ie. And

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Speaker 6: so the courts have struck back on some of the

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Speaker 6: mechanisms that are being used, but they said it's okay

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Speaker 6: to use deportation as a method of crime prevention.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to Alan Dershowitz. You and I have tried

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Speaker 2: a similar path where I voted Democrat and then democrats

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Speaker 2: I started to see losing their mind, and I have

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Speaker 2: changed how I voted. I'm curious for you. You've had

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Speaker 2: a longer career in the law than I have, by

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Speaker 2: by far, and a much more successful one.

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Speaker 1: But I'm also a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: When did in your mind it go from a quote

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Speaker 2: unquote traditionally liberal perspective to stand, for instance, for First Amendment,

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Speaker 2: free speech, for basic principles of fairness, and turn into

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Speaker 2: more of a conservative one. Do you remember a point

655
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Speaker 2: in time when you looked around and said, boy, the

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Speaker 2: ACLU isn't the ACLU that I grew up supporting.

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Speaker 6: Well supporting. I was on the national board. I was

658
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Speaker 6: the youngest person on the national board of the ACOU.

659
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Speaker 6: I spent years supporting the ACO you. I worked with

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Speaker 6: the ACOU to defend the rights of Nazis to march

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Speaker 6: in Skokie, Illinois. I defended people on death row. As

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Speaker 6: an ACOU lawyer, I won't give a nickel to the ACOU,

663
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Speaker 6: and I called the ACO you the anti Civil Liberties Union.

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Speaker 6: They have become completely partisan in political Once every two

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Speaker 6: years they represented a Nazi in order to show that

666
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Speaker 6: they're still civil libertarians. But the vast, vast, vast majority

667
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 6: of their work is on progressive, woke, left wing causes,

668
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Speaker 6: and you know, they've become kind of a leader and

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Speaker 6: the weaponization of the legal system against Donald Trump, against Republicans,

670
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Speaker 6: against Conservatives, against Christians, and so I'm totally contemptuous. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's interesting. I've devoted my whole life to human rights,

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Speaker 6: civil liberties, and civil rights. I now see something that

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Speaker 6: s marks civil liberty, civil rights, human rights, I throw

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Speaker 6: in the garbage pail because I know it's going to

675
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Speaker 6: be on the wrong side of everything. Today. Human rights

676
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 6: has just turned against Israel, against the United States, against Christianity,

677
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Speaker 6: against decency, and so I have no support for those

678
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 6: concepts anymore. They've been hijacked, they've been taken away. And

679
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 6: I'm still a civil libitarian. And you know, I describe

680
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Speaker 6: myself as a constitutional libertarian, but as well as a

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Speaker 6: meritocratic Egallon Tarrian and a constructive contrarian. So I haven't changed.

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Speaker 6: But like Ronald Reagan said, the Democrats have left me.

683
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Speaker 6: I left the Democratic Party hours after the Democratic Convention

684
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 6: this year when I saw that they were picking one

685
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Speaker 6: after the other progressive, anti liberal speakers, anti israel speakers,

686
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 6: sometimes anti Semitic speakers, and the Republicans were doing a

687
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 6: better job and preserving liberty and democracy and freedom of speech.

688
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 6: I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent, but I'm not

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Speaker 6: a Democrat.

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Speaker 1: How'd you vote?

691
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Speaker 6: I can't say, because I you know, I love sleeping

692
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 6: with my wife, and and you know she has made

693
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 6: me sworn me to secrecy. I can tell you this.

694
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Speaker 6: I voted for Biden and I word for Hillary Clinton.

695
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Speaker 6: But I'm not going to disclose how I voted in

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Speaker 6: the last in the last election, and or how I

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00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 6: would vote in the next election. But I have been

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Speaker 6: supportive of many of the things that Trump has done,

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Speaker 6: just as I was supportive of many of the things

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Speaker 6: that previous presidents have done well at the same time

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Speaker 6: being critical of many of the things. And deportation is

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Speaker 6: one of the things I'm concerned about. I'm also concerned

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Speaker 6: that Donald Trump may abandoned Israel. That's been a concern

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Speaker 6: for me. And is he going to allow Israel to

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Speaker 6: protect itself against the potentional nuclear Iran. I don't know

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Speaker 6: the answer to that question. In my book To Prevent

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Speaker 6: a State, I spend a lot of time on the

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Speaker 6: Iran issue because that's the personification of preventive attack. I

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Speaker 6: use the example of Nazi Germany in nineteen thirty five,

710
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Speaker 6: when Britain and France could have destroyed Nazi Germany before

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Speaker 6: it was capable of destroying all of Europe and killing

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Speaker 6: fifty million people, and they didn't do it because they

713
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Speaker 6: didn't take it was seriously and you know, peace in

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Speaker 6: our time, Chamberlain, and that enabled Hitler to kill fifty

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Speaker 6: million people. Had they attacked, they would have you know,

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Speaker 6: killed fifteen fifteen thousand people with twenty thousand people, and

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Speaker 6: they would have defeated Nazi Germany. But you know, were

718
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Speaker 6: history is blind to the future, and we just don't know.

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Speaker 6: At that time, we didn't know what we were stopping,

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Speaker 6: and so I spend time in my book on that

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Speaker 6: as well.

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Speaker 1: The preventive state the challenge of preventing serious harms while

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Speaker 1: preserving es central liberties. Professor Dershweriz's book just came out yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and Professor Derschwitz, if I could draw upon your time

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Speaker 1: as a criminal defense attorney. I know you're not on

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Speaker 1: this case. That would be interesting. You're not on this case,

727
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Speaker 1: but I'm sure you've been following it and seeing in

728
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Speaker 1: the headlines. What is your just overall sense as to

729
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Speaker 1: the likely outcome to the degree you can see it

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Speaker 1: this early on in the case, or perhaps the pitfalls

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Speaker 1: for either the defense or the prosecution in the Sean

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Speaker 1: Combs aka Puff Daddy a k a. P. Diddy sex

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Speaker 1: trafficking case that's getting a lot of attention to headlines

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Speaker 1: given how high profile mister Combs is.

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Speaker 6: If I had to make a prediction, I would predict

736
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Speaker 6: that he'd get convicted and that his conviction would have

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Speaker 6: reversed on appeal. I don't understand how a jury should

738
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Speaker 6: be able to see that horrible video of him kicking

739
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Speaker 6: and beating up his girlfriend in the whole way of

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Speaker 6: the hotel. That's not what he's charged with. He's charged

741
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Speaker 6: with running you know, a Rico enterprise, and that that

742
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Speaker 6: tape is so done prejudicially. You can't get it out

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Speaker 6: of your head. As soon as you see that tape

744
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Speaker 6: and say to yourself, I want to convict the son

745
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Speaker 6: of a bitch, and so I think it will be

746
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Speaker 6: reversed on appeal. But it's very hard to believe that

747
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Speaker 6: a jury won't find his conduct up.

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Speaker 1: But why do you think, Professor derschwud Selina? So clearly

749
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Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, the guy's a mind. The guy's

750
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Speaker 1: a bad guy. I mean everyone, there's no right. He's

751
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Speaker 1: not on trial for being a good guy or a

752
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Speaker 1: bad guy. He's a bad guy. That's very clear, and

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Speaker 1: I think even the defense isn't really contesting that. But

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Speaker 1: as a matter of law, why would you how would

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Speaker 1: you see it? Perhaps, and again I know you're we're

756
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Speaker 1: asking you to sort of see into the future, which

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Speaker 1: is tough, But how would you see it being overturned?

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Speaker 1: If let's say the jury does what you think, why

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Speaker 1: would you think then that it might be overturned.

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Speaker 6: On appeal for the same reason that the Harvey Weinstein

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Speaker 6: New York conviction was overturned, And that is the admissibility

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Speaker 6: of prejudicial material that swayed the jury to convict. Even

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Speaker 6: though the elements of the crime and the elements of

764
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Speaker 6: RICO are very tough to establish, and the elements of

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Speaker 6: you know, conducting sex trafficking business so that would be

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Speaker 6: the grounds for reversal. That evidence came in that should

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Speaker 6: never have been seen by the jury.

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Speaker 2: All right, let me go back to your experience, and

769
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Speaker 2: you're staying committed to principal aclu and everything else we

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Speaker 2: talked earlier on this program. As suddenly Jake Tapper writes

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Speaker 2: a book and says, boy, we could have never known

772
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Speaker 2: that Joe Biden wasn't mentally or physically competent for the job.

773
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Speaker 2: And the New York Times and the Washington Post right

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Speaker 2: editorial saying, boy, you know, somebody really should have said

775
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Speaker 2: something about the state that Biden was in. And you know,

776
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Speaker 2: the media ostensibly does exist to speak truth to power.

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Speaker 2: They wrote democracy dies in darkness at the top of

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Speaker 2: the Washington Post. You are steeped in liberal circles where

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Speaker 2: you hang out, where you live. What are people who

780
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Speaker 2: read the New York Times and watch MSNBC. What are

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Speaker 2: they saying in conversations that you hear. Do they feel

782
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Speaker 2: as if they have been lied to? Or are they

783
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Speaker 2: so convinced that Trump is hitler that they don't even

784
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Speaker 2: care if they're being lied to because it's a price

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Speaker 2: worth paying.

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Speaker 1: What are you here?

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Speaker 6: So it's the latter. They're praising people who lied, and

788
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Speaker 6: they wished the lie had been successful and that Biden

789
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Speaker 6: would have been allowed to run because many of them

790
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Speaker 6: think that Biden would have snuck past the finish line

791
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Speaker 6: because he's more likable than Kamila Harris. I don't know

792
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Speaker 6: whether that's true or not. I'm not a polster, but

793
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Speaker 6: I can only tell you that people on the MS

794
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Speaker 6: on that side, the New York Times, CNM, MSNBC side,

795
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Speaker 6: they don't care about lying. They would have been very

796
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Speaker 6: happy if there had been a complete, in total and

797
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Speaker 6: successful cover up in order to defeat Trump, and then

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Speaker 6: Biden would be president for a couple of months, and

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Speaker 6: then he'd have to leave office, either through the twenty

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Speaker 6: fifth Amendment or by resignation, and then we'd have Kamil

801
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Speaker 6: Harris as president. That's what the Martha's Vineyard crowd is

802
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 6: objecting to, not that they were denied the truth, but

803
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Speaker 6: that they didn't do a good enough job covering up

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Speaker 6: the truth.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this too, Given that I think

806
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Speaker 2: anybody who's the rational reasonable person would acknowledge that Biden

807
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: was not mentally or physically capable of being president in

808
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Speaker 2: the United States, do you, as a warrior, believe there

809
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Speaker 2: is any value in challenging some of the decisions made

810
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Speaker 2: by Biden, for instance, this big pardon, expansive pardons that

811
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Speaker 2: he gave at the end of his tenure based on

812
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Speaker 2: his mind not being capable of entering into the decisions

813
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Speaker 2: that were being made. Is there any legal ground there

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Speaker 2: in your mind to challenge these things.

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Speaker 6: I don't think so, because then you'd have to challenge

816
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Speaker 6: probably some of the things at the end of the

817
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Speaker 6: Reagan of presidency, maybe the Roosevelt presidency, certainly the Widrick

818
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Speaker 6: Wilson presidency. You know, there if in fact Biden didn't

819
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Speaker 6: know that things were being signed for him by the

820
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Speaker 6: use of the auto pen, that might pose an interesting challenge.

821
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Speaker 6: It would have to be something it was constitutionally required

822
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Speaker 6: to be signed, like a law. Pardons, for example, don't

823
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Speaker 6: have to be signed. You can just give an oral pardon,

824
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Speaker 6: but for a law to be valid, it has to

825
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Speaker 6: be the signed or vetoed by the president. And if

826
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Speaker 6: it could be demonstrated that Biden didn't really know and

827
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Speaker 6: that he was he had authorized somebody else to do

828
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Speaker 6: the signing, that could raise could raise problems. You know,

829
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Speaker 6: in some respects. All of this goes back to prevention,

830
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Speaker 6: because what is the twenty fifth Amendment all about. It's

831
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Speaker 6: all about trying to prevent a non qualified president from

832
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Speaker 6: having access to the nuclear trigger. And you know, we

833
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 6: do so many things preventively in order to assure that

834
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Speaker 6: greater dangers don't exist, and we have to make sure

835
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Speaker 6: that when we do it, we do it according to

836
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Speaker 6: due process. And that's the crisis we're in now. We're

837
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Speaker 6: not in a constitutional crisis. We're in a political crisis

838
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Speaker 6: and a constitutional conflict, and the Constitution is so far

839
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Speaker 6: figured out ways of getting resolving these issues, and so

840
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Speaker 6: I'm not worried as long as President Trump says and

841
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 6: really does not in any way violate a Supreme Court order,

842
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Speaker 6: and we're not in a crisis.

843
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Speaker 2: Last question for you quickly here because we've got to

844
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: get to a break. But you talked about your experience

845
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 2: with Trump and being of the opinion that he's better

846
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: on Israel issues than certainly Democrats have been based on

847
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Speaker 2: the platform they put forward in the DNC two parter.

848
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Speaker 2: Do you hear a lot of Jewish people out there

849
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Speaker 2: acknowledging that Trump has been very good on Israel and

850
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Speaker 2: the second part of that do people say, Hey, you

851
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: can criticize him for a lot, but the idea that

852
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Speaker 2: he's Hitler is absolutely insane. I'm talking Jewish voters in particular.

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Speaker 6: No, I wish they were more sensible Jewish voters. But

854
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 6: there are a lot of Jewish voters who don't believe

855
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Speaker 6: he's supportive of Israel. Can't find you know, these are

856
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 6: people who are afflicted with Trump derangement syndrome. Some of

857
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 6: them also have bb derangement syndrome. And you know, neither

858
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 6: not who not Trump can do anything right. And so

859
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 6: if he's supportive of Israel, it must be for in

860
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 6: an effort to get a plane from Qatar. If he's

861
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 6: against people on campus who are anti Semites or anti Israel,

862
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 6: has nothing to do with that Semitism. It has to

863
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 6: do he doesn't like universities. Unless you are in some

864
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 6: of these radical, progressive, woke, left wing circles, it is

865
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Speaker 6: impossible to understand the depths. I mean, they think it's

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Speaker 2: Alan Dershowitz appreciate the time, sir, book is out. The

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Speaker 2: Sexton show hope all of you are having a fabulous Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: We are joined now by a woman who had to

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Speaker 2: go all the way to the Supreme Court to be

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Speaker 2: able to speak and vote in the main legislature.

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Speaker 1: She is Laurellibby.

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Speaker 2: And for those of you who don't know, I want

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Speaker 2: to give a quick background and you can correct me

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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong on any of this.

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Speaker 1: Laurel, and thanks for coming on with us.

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Speaker 2: You spoke out against men being able to win women's

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Speaker 2: championships in Maine, something that I would imagine the vast,

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Speaker 2: vast majority of people in Maine certainly almost everyone listening

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Speaker 2: to us in Maine right now would agree with but

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Speaker 2: the vast majority of people in general. You were then

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Speaker 2: censored because you refuse to apologize for this. They would

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Speaker 2: not allow you to vote to represent your constituents in Maine.

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Speaker 2: You went to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: yesterday in a seven to two ruling said, the main

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Speaker 2: legislature has to allow you to do your job on

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Speaker 2: behalf of your constituents.

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Speaker 1: Have I got that right? Can you believe that all

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Speaker 1: this has actually happened?

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Speaker 5: That is a very concise yet accurate summary, I would

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Speaker 5: have to say, And no, it is kind of It's

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Speaker 5: pretty unbelievable when you say it like that. Remarkable that

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Speaker 5: a majority party would try to silence a member of

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Speaker 5: the minority party and take my constituents owed away. It's

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Speaker 5: astounding the defenders of democracy at work.

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Speaker 1: What what exactly is there? And Laurel, appreciate you being

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Speaker 1: with us and thank you for doing what you've been

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Speaker 1: doing standing for what is I think obvious obvious truth

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Speaker 1: in this matter. But just so I'm clear on this,

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Speaker 1: Clay's been following this story very closely. What is their

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Speaker 1: rationale for silencing you? Like what you know, I understand

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Speaker 1: you've gone against the narrative, but officially speaking, on what

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Speaker 1: grounds are they doing this?

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Speaker 5: Well, they don't really have good grounds to do this.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I haven't broken the law. I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I didn't do anything even against our rules, which they're

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Speaker 5: claiming that I did. What I did was from the

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Speaker 5: privacy of my own home. I made a Facebook post

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Speaker 5: and stood side by side of a biological male participating

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Speaker 5: in the pole vault, winning fifth place at a regional

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Speaker 5: meet last year, and then ning the girls state championship

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Speaker 5: this year. And you know, they say a picture speaks

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Speaker 5: a thousand words, and this did. And so the excuse

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Speaker 5: that they came up with was that this was a

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Speaker 5: photo of a minor. And I'll just remind folks that

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Speaker 5: when you win a state championship, you have to expect

949
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Speaker 5: that your photo is going to be out there. And indeed,

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Speaker 5: these were publicly shared photos that were public before I

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Speaker 5: shared them. But that's the grounds that the Democrats are

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Speaker 5: trying to stretch to to say that this was should

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Speaker 5: not have been posted, and we use that to make

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Speaker 5: their unconstitutional censure and say that I'm not allowed to

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Speaker 5: represent my constituents.

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Speaker 2: So you're still not allowed to speak on the floor

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Speaker 2: of the state House.

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Speaker 1: Is this true?

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Speaker 2: In other words, while you're allowed to vote, you aren't

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Speaker 2: allowed to make arguments about how you were voting.

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Speaker 5: That is entirely accurate and it's just as ludicrous as

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Speaker 5: it sounds. So I will be allowed to vote now,

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Speaker 5: but I will not be allowed to speak as the

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Speaker 5: case makes its way through the courts. Of course, being

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Speaker 5: able to vote on behalf of my constituents that is

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Speaker 5: the most important piece, and that's how my constituents had

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Speaker 5: been disenfranchised with not having a vote on the legislation.

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Speaker 5: And so that's what we requested from the Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: in our emergency application, was to have the ability to

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Speaker 5: vote on behalf of my constituents. And on June fifth,

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Speaker 5: will be heard in the First Circuit Court of Appeals

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Speaker 5: regarding the full case, and that includes getting my voice back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is just bonkers to me that this

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Speaker 2: could become an issue in any state. But if it

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Speaker 2: became an issue, let's say in Illinois or in Vermont

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Speaker 2: or in California, states that are overwhelmingly Democrat, that might

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Speaker 2: make a little bit more sense. But Trump won one

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Speaker 2: of the congressional districts in your state, the state was

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Speaker 2: decided by seven points overall. What percentage of main residents

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Speaker 2: do you think agree with the argument that you are making.

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Speaker 2: What do you hear when you go out and about

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Speaker 2: in the state.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, when I talk to folks, it's clear

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Speaker 5: that the polling that demonstrates two thirds of Manors don't

985
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 5: believe that biological mail should be participating in girls' sports

986
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Speaker 5: is extremely accurate. But I have to tell you, you know,

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Speaker 5: the numbers are even more startling than you may realize.

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Speaker 5: Of course, the breakdown by congressional district is impressive, but

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Speaker 5: when you get to actually how much the Democrats won

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Speaker 5: the House majority by in our state of one point

991
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Speaker 5: three million people, they only won the majority by sixty

992
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Speaker 5: votes across the entire state. So they're ruling with an

993
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Speaker 5: iron fist here and making these unconstitutional moves when they

994
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Speaker 5: only hold the majority by sixty votes.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, Laurel, there's going to be any political

996
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Speaker 1: blowback on the Democrats? You know, I don't mean new

997
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Speaker 1: cycle blowback, right, I mean, you know the next election cycle.

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Speaker 1: Is this the kind of thing that, by the way, Manors.

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Speaker 5: Is that right, Maynors.

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Speaker 6: You got it.

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Speaker 1: Mayners just making sure manors they see this and they realize, Wow,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats in our state have have lost their minds.

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Speaker 1: You know, what's your sense of that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: You know, as I talk with folks, it does seem

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Speaker 5: apparent to everyone but Augusta Democrats that they have lost

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Speaker 5: their minds. And I say Augusta Democrats because this goes

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Speaker 5: across party lines. There are plenty of Democrats out and

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Speaker 5: about in Maine who think it's insanity to allow biological

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Speaker 5: males to compete in girls' sports. And they also think

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Speaker 5: it's insanity to unconstitutionally bar a sitting legislator from voting

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Speaker 5: on behalf of her district. So the folks who are

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Speaker 5: in power in Augusta are way out on a limb here.

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Speaker 5: It is not a representative of your average manor that

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Speaker 5: doesn't agree with them.

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Speaker 2: So obviously you have coming up in May next year

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Speaker 2: a big Senate race. Susan Collins, Republican, is going to

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Speaker 2: be up for reelection. I believe I'm correct in this,

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Speaker 2: You can correct me if I'm wrong. And that is

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Speaker 2: massive because Republicans have a fifty three to forty seven

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Speaker 2: advantage and Susan Collins, one of the rare members of

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Speaker 2: the Senate who is representing a state that voted differently

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Speaker 2: in the presidential race, in other words, cross party. Am

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Speaker 2: I crazy or does this have to be a fairly

1025
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Speaker 2: significant issue statewide in that race based on what the

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Speaker 2: Democrats in the legislature have done to you?

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Speaker 5: I certainly hope this has significant influence in the twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty sixth election. Of course, we do have Senator Collins reelection.

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Speaker 5: She is the last Republican Senator in New England, which

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Speaker 5: is pretty remarkable. In addition, we also have a gubernatorial race.

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Speaker 5: We have of course the congressional CD one and CD two,

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Speaker 5: and we also have the full legislature every two years,

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Speaker 5: House and Senate up for a vote. And so you know,

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Speaker 5: I hope that this does come back to bite the

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Speaker 5: Democrats next year, and I certainly will be working very

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Speaker 5: hard to ensure that it does.

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Speaker 1: Laurel appreciates you standing strong on this issue, and as

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Speaker 1: you continue to do just that, we'll have you back

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Speaker 1: on the show. Make sure everybody knows about you're doing

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Speaker 1: up in Maine. Beautiful along the coast, I hear maners

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Speaker 5: Hey, it's gorgeous throughout.

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