WEBVTT - Chris Goes Kappa Alpha Theta 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:09.960 Chris Harrison and Lauren z Ema coming to you from 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.360 the home office in Austin, Texas. We just had a 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:19.239 wonderful weekend away where we went back to LZ's alma mater, Missoo, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.800 where she went to college or undergrad she got her 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.119 master's degree. And it sparked a very interesting conversation because 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.520 it's been a while since she has been back, and 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.240 while she didn't grow up at Missoo, she grew up 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:35.680 in Chicago. The subject came up while we were there, 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.600 can you go home again? Can you go back home? 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:42.839 And there's always that thing, you know, the line you 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.199 can't go home. There's the bon Jovi song about it, 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:48.839 and you and I kind of got in a discussion. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.280 I said, stop, we hit the pause button, let's wait 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:55.279 for the podcast. And it was a very interesting I've 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:56.200 thought a lot about this. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.000 I first of all, I don't know that bon Jovi song. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.160 I think, can you sing it for me? 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:01.520 Yeah? 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.600 No, that you can't go home? 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.000 That's all that, yeah, you know. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.160 And as you were just saying that, I was thinking 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.120 the wording you chose was interesting, Like I grew up 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.600 in Chicago, not Missouri, but in my brain I went. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.319 But I did grow up at MISSOI. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.040 You know, if you really want to talk about growing 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.440 into an adult, and I mean, I still had some 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:31.520 growing up to do after college, but those college years 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.200 are so formative. I think that's why. You see, there's 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.800 a lot of discussion now about how overly expensive college is. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.280 And I was reading an article the other day that 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.960 a lot of people are actually at the point where, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.759 if they can financially afford it, they're kind of sending 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.080 their kids to college. Yes, for the education, but like 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.360 very much in large part for that growth experience. For 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.520 the college experience, which is so is so a thing 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.840 in America. I remember when we were near it, people 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:02.320 were like, yeah, Americans are really obsessed with like where 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.320 they went to college, and it's part of their identity. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.600 It is, and it is such not a thing anywhere 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:07.240 else in the world. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.280 No, like maybe in England what university, or maybe in 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:11.680 England it's more what boarding school. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.320 But school affects us, right. 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.720 And so I think the reason it came up for 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.160 us was that I got surprisingly emotional when we were 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:23.320 at Missou and I realized it was because I had 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:27.040 been there a couple times since graduating, and I still 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.120 knew people like I also worked at a startup while 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.880 I was there, so when that startup office was still there, 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.000 I kind of like had friends there even after I'd left. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.120 But then that office moved, and so this was the 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.840 first time when I went back and I was like, 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.880 I don't have friends here anymore, and I have a 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.920 couple professors I still know, but it really made it 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.240 feel like, Oh, I'm really past this now. And that's 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:55.560 why we started asking can you go home? Can you 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.840 go back? And I think there's a difference there for 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.720 those two questions for me. But since you were thinking 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.040 about do you have an answer for me, what do 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:02.560 you think. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:07.440 The answer is? And short answer is yes, you can 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.800 go home. You can always go home. No, you cannot 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.679 go back. And I do agree those are two very 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:20.080 different things. What your experience experiencing is something I have experienced, 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.120 and that is back at school. I went to Oklahoma 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.399 City University, and I had such strong emotional ties, and 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.720 the older you get and the more time passes, those 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:35.000 ties either disappear or they are cut. Like you said, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:40.080 your friends leave, people leave. My college coach passed away, 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.920 So more and more of those ties that bound me 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:47.880 to that place have disappeared. They don't exist anymore. But 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.720 what still remains, and what I think I saw you 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.880 get emotional about, is there are certain things that won't 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:59.880 ever leave memories, feelings of growth and love and mistakes. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.760 And you know, I didn't realize obviously, I knew you 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:08.800 worked at Newsy. I didn't realize the proximity to Miszoo. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.040 I mean, I know Colombia is not a big metropolis. 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.040 I knew it wasn't massive, but I didn't realize I'm 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.480 talking one hundred yards down the road. Yeah, everything was 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.080 right cornerstone of Miszoo. I'm like, oh, crap o. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.240 Right, And I've probably never explained this to you. New 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.720 Zy did this really brilliant thing. I highly recommend it 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.479 if you're starting a business. It was super smart. They 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.159 created a partnership with the university and it was literally 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.200 a class to work at Newsy. So that's how I 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.800 started there, at this news organization called Newsy, and they 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.000 had a partnership with the journalism school. So I worked 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.960 there as a student while I was getting my master's degree, 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.799 and then for a few years in my early twenties, 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.320 Like while it was a startup, I'm just saying, great 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.480 way to get free labor and also great way. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.279 To spot new talent. Like they would kind of have 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:52.279 the students come through. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:53.560 I found a young Lorden's. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:54.960 Email and then they'd be like, oh, this one is 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:55.400 really good. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.520 So you heard what I just said about going back home? Yeah, 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.320 you got emotional four or five times, Like tears came 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.440 to your eyes this weekend. Do you agree with what 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.680 I was saying of you? You can't go home. You 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:08.960 can go home, but you can't go back. Do you 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.520 feel like some of those bonds are gone now, some 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.559 of the ties are gone, but the memory still remain. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:14.800 Is that what made you emotional? 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:21.600 I find myself torn a lot between cherishing memories and 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:28.120 thinking that a critical characteristic of success and happiness in 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:29.799 life is not getting stuck in the past. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:30.760 You know what I mean? 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.560 Like, I think one of the most dangerous things you 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.200 can do is live in the past. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:36.880 We have to keep moving forward. 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.839 Good or bad by the way in Greece or in success. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.240 And it is because of what you just said, I 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.160 think you nailed it. You can't go back like that. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.080 Time is over and if you try to recreate it, 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.280 I don't think it'll ever even be as good. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:55.560 I'm down to like the point of even like I 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:55.880 don't know. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.719 I just think when you have a great memory, you 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.359 kind of have to leave it where it is and 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:01.279 on a high note. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.320 Like I've thought about, Okay, we'll have. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.200 Our first wedding anniversary this year, like what I was 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:07.440 thinking the other day, what will we do? 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.120 And I'm like, oh, we could go back to where 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.000 we went after I don't know. 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:12.520 I don't know if I want to go back to 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.560 the same hotel, Like, let's go somewhere new, let's make 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.679 a new memory. I think that makes you a better person. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.520 But at the same time, I'm so thankful for those 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:25.599 memories I had at Missoo, for those all those things 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:30.600 that shaped me into my present, that gave me my future. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.560 So I think you can always go home, but I 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:35.799 don't think you can stay home. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.279 Yeah, going back, And I agree. And if you look back, 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.960 and I've always thought about this, you know, if you 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:47.080 think about your own life, the most successful cheerleader, quarterback, 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.159 rock star, those that really were on a high and 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.200 peaked in high school, how often are those the same 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.039 people that will then peak in college and peak in 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.359 life and business later in life. I would argue, I 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.200 have no sed satistics to back this up, because I 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.360 have not done the studies on this. I bet it's 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.120 very rare. I bet it's under fifty percent of those 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.880 that because you often find those that really crushed it 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.680 in high school or college to always kind of go 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.680 back and talk about that when you run into them. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.000 You know, if I get back with some of my 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.720 college buddies, we all end up kind of sharing the 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.520 same stories over and over again about soccer or whatever. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.360 And I love rehashing some of the ridiculousness, but at 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.800 some point I want to move on, like what are 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.280 you doing now? What's what's next for you? And you know, 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.040 it's it's a quick visit to the past leads us 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.480 to the future instead of we just live in the 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.640 past and we talk about the past, and you know, 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.200 we keep telling stories about it. And So what I 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.120 found interesting being with you at MISSOI was what made 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.920 you emotional? There were certain times, you know, and there 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.520 were certain realizations too. We were in the Jay School, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:54.160 beautiful Journalism school at Missouri. I believe if I'm they 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.600 invented journalism at Missouri. I think that's what I was. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:07:59.280 That's what it was. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.560 Number one journalism miszoom invented Homecoming and Chris always trites 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:07.000 me on this id up. Okay, thank you, and the 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.119 Missouri School of Journalism is the first ever journalism school 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:11.680 and it is the best journalism. 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:26.960 School next to Oklahoma City University. There was a point 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.360 we spoke at the Journalism School to an amazing group 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.560 of students. But what I found interesting is we were 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:36.680 walking out afterwards, and you you go, I really remember 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.720 this building kind of grander and bigger, and you're like, wow, 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.000 some of this is not so nice anymore. Well, it's 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.839 just deface gets older, and you know. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.080 You've gone on and you've seen new things and you've 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.480 done new things, and so your own perspective has really changed. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.840 Like at first I thought it was maybe my memory's bad, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:54.560 and then. 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.280 I realized, well, yes, that, but also I think just 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.880 you know, like you go to a restaurant and food 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.800 thought was great at nineteen, Yeah, I've had some more 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:07.040 food since then, you know, and you realize it was 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:11.440 probably great at the time, but you have different levels 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.040 of great now, hopefully, like my hope is that we're 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:19.080 all always growing and evolving in life. But I also 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.400 started to think about this thing popped up on my 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.920 Instagram the other day and this guy was saying it 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.600 was just a guy. He was saying, you here ten 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.520 things I wish I could tell my younger self, like 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.160 my twenty something self, And one of the things he 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:39.160 said was that he would tell that younger self travel 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.120 a lot in your twenties, but settle down somewhere in 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.199 your thirties. And he was talking about the importance of 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.559 like creating a community, creating a you. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.120 Know, of friends, and that is so healthy and. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.000 Important for us start growing some roots. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.400 Yeah, and then I started to think, well, what if 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.320 you never left, you know, like a worse sy you 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.480 can't go home. And you're maybe talking about people who 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:07.319 like peaked in high school. I think moving around, traveling 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.439 really helps you grow as a person. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.000 But then I also see people who. 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.880 Like live where they grew up and they have such 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.800 a strong sense of community, and I think. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:17.679 That's so beautiful. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.240 I guess I would recommend if you're going to end 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.280 up where you came from, make sure you go see 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:24.319 the world a little bit first. 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.440 Yeah, that's interesting, an interesting take about getting out seeing 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:27.840 the world. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.800 Well, like you and I we talk about how on 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.440 our very first date, Yeah, we talked about moving to 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:37.000 Texas one day and then at that date, at that conversation, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.640 we were thinking about Dallas, and I was like, that's 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.400 great because I have some best friends in Dallas and 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:43.320 you were from Dallas. 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.400 We didn't end up doing that. We ended up in Austin. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.319 How different do you think our lives would be if 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.160 we'd been back in Dallas, because I feel like part 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:52.960 of the reason you didn't want to go back was 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:54.360 because that was where you came from. 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.760 Yeah, I think it would have been a little bit 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.600 of a revisit, and I think it would have stunted 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.280 the growth a little bit. My mom has a line 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.559 she always uses, and she always says, and I really 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.680 like it, you grow roots where you're planted, and. 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.080 Meaning wherever where you're planting. 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.520 Yeah, where you go, you'll grow roots. It's like you 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.559 and you have to be patient, you know. I think 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.960 some people will, you know, move from LA to Austin 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.200 or Austin to wherever LA, and you know it's like, 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.400 oh it's right away. If it's not perfect, or if 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.199 it's not whatever. It's kind of like the college freshman 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.480 syndrome of like I'm not fitting in after day one. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.560 It's like, well, you have you have to not only 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.200 be planted, but you got to give yourself a little 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.440 time to grow some roots. Meet people, meet neighbors, meet friends, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.280 get up to the local supermarket and realize where you're 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:45.160 shopping at. Get comfortable. And so I think that college 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.760 was a place where we all went and we finally 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.760 grew those roots, and we were at a very impressionable age, 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.960 at that age where things are so magnified in our lives. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.920 So I feel like those roots are stronger. We remember 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.440 them differently than we do roots as we're adults. There's 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:11.080 something about that, because those roots really are sensitive, strong well. 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:12.400 I think, And this was kind of a piece of 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.679 advice we gave to the class and we spoke to them. 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:16.880 I said to them, I wish someone had told me 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.920 your twenties are big ups and downs times once you 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.040 graduate from college. I think everybody talks about like, sure, 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.080 in hindsight, we're all like our twenties are amazing, But 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.120 if I really think about my twenties, I had some 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.680 big highs and some big lows, because, like I think 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.640 part of the reason you form so much in college 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:40.360 is you're in this insulated environment, this bubble. Everybody is 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.720 your age. It literally gives you, statistically such a great 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.640 opportunity to make a ton of friends. Yeah, No one 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.720 told me that then when I went and got into 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.240 my twenties, that like, oh, you go start your job 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.480 and there's like maybe one other person your. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.720 Age, and it's an extreme change. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.240 Yeah, And I think you have some moments of like 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.600 some depression or some sadness because all of a sudden, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.440 for the first time in your life, your environment isn't 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.120 set up for you. You aren't around other people your 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.120 age all the time, And so I just think people 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.280 should be a bit more prepared for that, also prepared that, Like, 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.559 your freshman year of college is not going to be 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.840 the best one, and it shouldn't be. But your freshman 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.080 year is a time of transition. We told Taylor this, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.200 Like you're getting into a new place, you have to 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.160 figure everything out again. You're kind of at the bottom 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.000 of the barrel again. You're not the big dog on 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.120 campus like you were senior year of high school. And 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.120 that freshman year can be hard and then when you graduate, 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.480 that's another change. In those early twenty something years can 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.480 be hard, but yeah, it's very formative. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.040 But at the end of the day, our conversation began 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.319 as we were walking down one of the main streets 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.640 there at Missoo in Columbia. You know, we went to 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.679 a bunch of Lauren's old haunts, which are amazing. I'm 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.439 going to give a massive shout out to Shakespeare's Pizza, Sparky's, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.840 Booch's Burger, this old billiards hall that was around since 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.080 late eighteen eighty four. It is and it looks like 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.439 it in the best of ways though. It's just classic 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.000 a place that it could be a scene or a 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.880 place a movie should be shot there because you just 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.079 you look like maybe the sting or color of money 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.480 would be shot there. Just a good lad you loved. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.080 It's a great college town. It's a great college town. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.760 And I've been to several college towns because you know, 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.360 I had the the benefit of doing that when I 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.880 was a sportscaster because I was covering OU and so 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.120 I traveled around the Big twelve and went to a 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.640 bunch of those, even to Columbia, Missouri back in the 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:37.960 day I don't remember them as it was a long 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.880 time ago, but going back now is really fun. And 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:43.440 you and I dabbled. We just you know, we put 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.680 our toe in there and went to Harpo's and went 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.280 to some of these places like Willy's and had a 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.160 drink with the kids and just got a taste of 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:51.320 it before we went home. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.800 And they were so great. The biggest shout out, I 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.360 mean the people. I'm so proud to be from the Midwest. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.640 I grew up in Chicago, but my mom's whole family 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.720 is Missouri, from the Boothill of Missouri, and they moved 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.200 to Chicago to find work, so it was like I 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.840 grew up in Chicago, but my my grandparents, everybody was 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.520 still very Missouri and so they loved when I went 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.520 to school at Missoo, it was like me going back 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:17.080 to my family's origin story. But the people are so great. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.200 The kids were so welcoming and loving. All the Miszoo 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.640 kids were so sweet and respectful and just amazing. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.400 I'm so glad they all said hi. But yeah, I 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:26.920 think you. 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.000 Know, well, since you mentioned homecoming where and it was 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.680 invented int Miszoo, I think the conclusion I arrived at 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.760 was like traditions like that are actually so important and 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:44.960 beautiful because you realize, like as I was walking around 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.960 and realizing, oh, I don't know anybody here anymore. The 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.120 idea of homecoming, Like, I think if I was going 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.560 to go back to Missoo again, I would go for 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.520 homecoming and I would organize it with my friends because 0:15:55.520 --> 0:16:01.760 it's really about the people. Like you, you can always 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.600 go home because home is where the heart is. Home 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.920 is where the people that you love. Our home is 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.440 about the people in that house, not the house itself. 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.000 And that's what I was missing, and that is I 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.960 think the thing of like, you can't go back to 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.600 that time where that people were if the people aren't there. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:17.720 That's what the difference is. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.360 It is the fact that you left a piece of 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.240 your heart there, that you put your heart into it. 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.480 We went to the Theta House. Lauren was a Theda 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.600 at Missou and so we went to the Theta House 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.000 were walking around and I don't know if you felt 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:32.600 like this, I felt that like this when I went 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.320 back to the Kapasig house. I don't want to be there. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.360 I don't want to live there again. The thought of 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.360 it actually disgust me. Makes me not just. 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:41.680 Right that fraternity house. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.840 Right when I'm walking around that THETA house and I'm 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:48.000 looking at these old composite pictures, you know, from the 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.080 fifties and the sixties, and then there's Sheryl Crowe's class, 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.840 and then there's Lauren Ziema's class, and I'm looking at 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.800 all these girls who were sisters and most of many 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.560 of them were friends and loved each other. They're long gone, 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:03.600 they're not in that house anymore, but they are the 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.600 reason that house stands, and the reason it's so strong 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.800 is because of those that came before you. And you 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:14.800 don't have a bona fide connection to them. You don't 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.000 talk to them, you probably don't even know them, you'll 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.080 never get to know them. But the fact that Lauren 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.520 z Emo was in those halls at one time makes 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.240 it that much better, you know what I mean. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.280 It's the importance of tradition, right, and of remembering our history. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.680 Like I think that's what can make you feel not lonely, 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.320 that's what can make a house come alive. Like, yeah, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.919 when I lived there, we looked at the composite pictures 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:37.760 and we were like, gosh, this is so cool like 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.359 they were, you know, and and they keep different sort 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.679 of trophies or like platters or artifacts really on the 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.280 shelves in the house, and you have respect for that. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.760 And it also makes you feel not alone. And I 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.119 think it's why, like institutions and traditions are so important. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:18:00.840 And now that chapter is really over, I can't go back, 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.960 but I can always go home, and I would want 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.280 to just go home with my friends. Like I homecoming 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.880 in the zoo is really big, and I've actually never 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.960 been back for a homecoming, and so now I kind 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.840 of feel like, oh, I'm I'm at that place now 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.760 where I would I would just go back in this 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.399 one way, and that would be the right way to 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:18.680 do it. 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.480 Well, you're home now here in Austin, Texas, and we're 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:22.159 growing roots. 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.800 We have definitely grown roots and been We've watered them 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.040 with tequila and. 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.400 We have good wine. But I'll say this, I'm grateful 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.000 to you. And it just it's always fun when you 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.000 get to see another chapter of someone you love. And 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.400 I love Lauren dearly, but and I've heard many stories 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.760 and I've met many of her soorty sisters who are 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.080 a huge part of our life. I'm a proud DATA 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:50.200 husband and THETA dad now, but seeing that side of you, 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.040 you getting emotional, meeting one of your former professors and 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.959 speaking at the Jay School and just walking around campus 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.960 and going to the THEATA House and seeing how excited 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.840 people were that you were back so much pride, and 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.520 I just loved it, and so huge shout out to Columbia, 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.960 Missouri and Missoo in general. We did the whole purposes. 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.320 My son was playing lacrosse there, so TCU was playing 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.560 and TCU did win. But it was really fun because 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.359 some people heard we were in town and came out 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.840 in their Missoo gear just to say hi to us, 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.800 which was great at the game, and some of the 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:26.280 parents whose kids were playing, which ironically was their son 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.040 was an attack man. Our son Joshua was guarding him. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.680 But we had this There was zero rivalry. It was 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.320