1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren z Ema coming to you from 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: the home office in Austin, Texas. We just had a 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: wonderful weekend away where we went back to LZ's alma mater, Missoo, 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: where she went to college or undergrad she got her 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: master's degree. And it sparked a very interesting conversation because 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: it's been a while since she has been back, and 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: while she didn't grow up at Missoo, she grew up 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: in Chicago. The subject came up while we were there, 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: can you go home again? Can you go back home? 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: And there's always that thing, you know, the line you 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: can't go home. There's the bon Jovi song about it, 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: and you and I kind of got in a discussion. 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: I said, stop, we hit the pause button, let's wait 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: for the podcast. And it was a very interesting I've 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: thought a lot about this. 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: I first of all, I don't know that bon Jovi song. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: I think, can you sing it for me? 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: No, that you can't go home? 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: That's all that, yeah, you know. 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: And as you were just saying that, I was thinking 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: the wording you chose was interesting, Like I grew up 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: in Chicago, not Missouri, but in my brain I went. 25 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: But I did grow up at MISSOI. 26 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: You know, if you really want to talk about growing 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: into an adult, and I mean, I still had some 28 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: growing up to do after college, but those college years 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: are so formative. I think that's why. You see, there's 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: a lot of discussion now about how overly expensive college is. 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: And I was reading an article the other day that 32 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 3: a lot of people are actually at the point where, 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 3: if they can financially afford it, they're kind of sending 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: their kids to college. Yes, for the education, but like 35 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: very much in large part for that growth experience. For 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: the college experience, which is so is so a thing 37 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: in America. I remember when we were near it, people 38 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: were like, yeah, Americans are really obsessed with like where 39 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: they went to college, and it's part of their identity. 40 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: It is, and it is such not a thing anywhere 41 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: else in the world. 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: No, like maybe in England what university, or maybe in 43 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: England it's more what boarding school. 44 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: But school affects us, right. 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: And so I think the reason it came up for 46 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: us was that I got surprisingly emotional when we were 47 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: at Missou and I realized it was because I had 48 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: been there a couple times since graduating, and I still 49 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: knew people like I also worked at a startup while 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: I was there, so when that startup office was still there, 51 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: I kind of like had friends there even after I'd left. 52 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: But then that office moved, and so this was the 53 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: first time when I went back and I was like, 54 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: I don't have friends here anymore, and I have a 55 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: couple professors I still know, but it really made it 56 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: feel like, Oh, I'm really past this now. And that's 57 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: why we started asking can you go home? Can you 58 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: go back? And I think there's a difference there for 59 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: those two questions for me. But since you were thinking 60 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: about do you have an answer for me, what do 61 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: you think. 62 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: The answer is? And short answer is yes, you can 63 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: go home. You can always go home. No, you cannot 64 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: go back. And I do agree those are two very 65 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: different things. What your experience experiencing is something I have experienced, 66 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: and that is back at school. I went to Oklahoma 67 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: City University, and I had such strong emotional ties, and 68 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: the older you get and the more time passes, those 69 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: ties either disappear or they are cut. Like you said, 70 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: your friends leave, people leave. My college coach passed away, 71 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: So more and more of those ties that bound me 72 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: to that place have disappeared. They don't exist anymore. But 73 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: what still remains, and what I think I saw you 74 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: get emotional about, is there are certain things that won't 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: ever leave memories, feelings of growth and love and mistakes. 76 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: And you know, I didn't realize obviously, I knew you 77 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: worked at Newsy. I didn't realize the proximity to Miszoo. 78 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I know Colombia is not a big metropolis. 79 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: I knew it wasn't massive, but I didn't realize I'm 80 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: talking one hundred yards down the road. Yeah, everything was 81 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: right cornerstone of Miszoo. I'm like, oh, crap o. 82 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: Right, And I've probably never explained this to you. New 83 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 3: Zy did this really brilliant thing. I highly recommend it 84 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 3: if you're starting a business. It was super smart. They 85 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 3: created a partnership with the university and it was literally 86 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: a class to work at Newsy. So that's how I 87 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: started there, at this news organization called Newsy, and they 88 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: had a partnership with the journalism school. So I worked 89 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: there as a student while I was getting my master's degree, 90 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 3: and then for a few years in my early twenties, 91 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: Like while it was a startup, I'm just saying, great 92 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: way to get free labor and also great way. 93 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: To spot new talent. Like they would kind of have 94 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: the students come through. 95 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: I found a young Lorden's. 96 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: Email and then they'd be like, oh, this one is 97 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: really good. 98 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: So you heard what I just said about going back home? Yeah, 99 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: you got emotional four or five times, Like tears came 100 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: to your eyes this weekend. Do you agree with what 101 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: I was saying of you? You can't go home. You 102 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: can go home, but you can't go back. Do you 103 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: feel like some of those bonds are gone now, some 104 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 1: of the ties are gone, but the memory still remain. 105 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: Is that what made you emotional? 106 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 3: I find myself torn a lot between cherishing memories and 107 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: thinking that a critical characteristic of success and happiness in 108 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 3: life is not getting stuck in the past. 109 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 110 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: Like, I think one of the most dangerous things you 111 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: can do is live in the past. 112 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: We have to keep moving forward. 113 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: Good or bad by the way in Greece or in success. 114 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: And it is because of what you just said, I 115 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: think you nailed it. You can't go back like that. 116 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: Time is over and if you try to recreate it, 117 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 3: I don't think it'll ever even be as good. 118 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: I'm down to like the point of even like I 119 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: don't know. 120 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: I just think when you have a great memory, you 121 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 3: kind of have to leave it where it is and 122 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 3: on a high note. 123 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: Like I've thought about, Okay, we'll have. 124 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: Our first wedding anniversary this year, like what I was 125 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: thinking the other day, what will we do? 126 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, we could go back to where 127 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: we went after I don't know. 128 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to go back to 129 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: the same hotel, Like, let's go somewhere new, let's make 130 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 3: a new memory. I think that makes you a better person. 131 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 3: But at the same time, I'm so thankful for those 132 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 3: memories I had at Missoo, for those all those things 133 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 3: that shaped me into my present, that gave me my future. 134 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: So I think you can always go home, but I 135 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 3: don't think you can stay home. 136 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, going back, And I agree. And if you look back, 137 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: and I've always thought about this, you know, if you 138 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: think about your own life, the most successful cheerleader, quarterback, 139 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: rock star, those that really were on a high and 140 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: peaked in high school, how often are those the same 141 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: people that will then peak in college and peak in 142 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: life and business later in life. I would argue, I 143 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: have no sed satistics to back this up, because I 144 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: have not done the studies on this. I bet it's 145 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: very rare. I bet it's under fifty percent of those 146 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: that because you often find those that really crushed it 147 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: in high school or college to always kind of go 148 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: back and talk about that when you run into them. 149 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: You know, if I get back with some of my 150 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: college buddies, we all end up kind of sharing the 151 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: same stories over and over again about soccer or whatever. 152 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: And I love rehashing some of the ridiculousness, but at 153 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: some point I want to move on, like what are 154 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: you doing now? What's what's next for you? And you know, 155 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: it's it's a quick visit to the past leads us 156 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: to the future instead of we just live in the 157 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: past and we talk about the past, and you know, 158 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: we keep telling stories about it. And So what I 159 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: found interesting being with you at MISSOI was what made 160 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: you emotional? There were certain times, you know, and there 161 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: were certain realizations too. We were in the Jay School, 162 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: beautiful Journalism school at Missouri. I believe if I'm they 163 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: invented journalism at Missouri. I think that's what I was. 164 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: That's what it was. 165 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: Number one journalism miszoom invented Homecoming and Chris always trites 166 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: me on this id up. Okay, thank you, and the 167 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 3: Missouri School of Journalism is the first ever journalism school 168 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: and it is the best journalism. 169 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: School next to Oklahoma City University. There was a point 170 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: we spoke at the Journalism School to an amazing group 171 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: of students. But what I found interesting is we were 172 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: walking out afterwards, and you you go, I really remember 173 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: this building kind of grander and bigger, and you're like, wow, 174 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: some of this is not so nice anymore. Well, it's 175 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: just deface gets older, and you know. 176 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 3: You've gone on and you've seen new things and you've 177 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: done new things, and so your own perspective has really changed. 178 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: Like at first I thought it was maybe my memory's bad, 179 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: and then. 180 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: I realized, well, yes, that, but also I think just 181 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: you know, like you go to a restaurant and food 182 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: thought was great at nineteen, Yeah, I've had some more 183 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: food since then, you know, and you realize it was 184 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 3: probably great at the time, but you have different levels 185 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: of great now, hopefully, like my hope is that we're 186 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: all always growing and evolving in life. But I also 187 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: started to think about this thing popped up on my 188 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: Instagram the other day and this guy was saying it 189 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: was just a guy. He was saying, you here ten 190 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: things I wish I could tell my younger self, like 191 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: my twenty something self, And one of the things he 192 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: said was that he would tell that younger self travel 193 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: a lot in your twenties, but settle down somewhere in 194 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 3: your thirties. And he was talking about the importance of 195 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 3: like creating a community, creating a you. 196 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: Know, of friends, and that is so healthy and. 197 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: Important for us start growing some roots. 198 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I started to think, well, what if 199 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 3: you never left, you know, like a worse sy you 200 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: can't go home. And you're maybe talking about people who 201 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 3: like peaked in high school. I think moving around, traveling 202 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 3: really helps you grow as a person. 203 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: But then I also see people who. 204 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: Like live where they grew up and they have such 205 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: a strong sense of community, and I think. 206 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: That's so beautiful. 207 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 3: I guess I would recommend if you're going to end 208 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: up where you came from, make sure you go see 209 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 3: the world a little bit first. 210 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, an interesting take about getting out seeing 211 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: the world. 212 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: Well, like you and I we talk about how on 213 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 3: our very first date, Yeah, we talked about moving to 214 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: Texas one day and then at that date, at that conversation, 215 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: we were thinking about Dallas, and I was like, that's 216 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: great because I have some best friends in Dallas and 217 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 3: you were from Dallas. 218 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: We didn't end up doing that. We ended up in Austin. 219 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 3: How different do you think our lives would be if 220 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: we'd been back in Dallas, because I feel like part 221 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: of the reason you didn't want to go back was 222 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: because that was where you came from. 223 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would have been a little bit 224 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: of a revisit, and I think it would have stunted 225 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: the growth a little bit. My mom has a line 226 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: she always uses, and she always says, and I really 227 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: like it, you grow roots where you're planted, and. 228 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: Meaning wherever where you're planting. 229 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, where you go, you'll grow roots. It's like you 230 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: and you have to be patient, you know. I think 231 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: some people will, you know, move from LA to Austin 232 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: or Austin to wherever LA, and you know it's like, 233 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: oh it's right away. If it's not perfect, or if 234 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: it's not whatever. It's kind of like the college freshman 235 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: syndrome of like I'm not fitting in after day one. 236 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: It's like, well, you have you have to not only 237 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: be planted, but you got to give yourself a little 238 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: time to grow some roots. Meet people, meet neighbors, meet friends, 239 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: get up to the local supermarket and realize where you're 240 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: shopping at. Get comfortable. And so I think that college 241 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: was a place where we all went and we finally 242 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: grew those roots, and we were at a very impressionable age, 243 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: at that age where things are so magnified in our lives. 244 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: So I feel like those roots are stronger. We remember 245 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: them differently than we do roots as we're adults. There's 246 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: something about that, because those roots really are sensitive, strong well. 247 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: I think, And this was kind of a piece of 248 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 3: advice we gave to the class and we spoke to them. 249 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: I said to them, I wish someone had told me 250 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: your twenties are big ups and downs times once you 251 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: graduate from college. I think everybody talks about like, sure, 252 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 3: in hindsight, we're all like our twenties are amazing, But 253 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: if I really think about my twenties, I had some 254 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 3: big highs and some big lows, because, like I think 255 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: part of the reason you form so much in college 256 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: is you're in this insulated environment, this bubble. Everybody is 257 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: your age. It literally gives you, statistically such a great 258 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: opportunity to make a ton of friends. Yeah, No one 259 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: told me that then when I went and got into 260 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: my twenties, that like, oh, you go start your job 261 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: and there's like maybe one other person your. 262 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: Age, and it's an extreme change. 263 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you have some moments of like 264 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: some depression or some sadness because all of a sudden, 265 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: for the first time in your life, your environment isn't 266 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: set up for you. You aren't around other people your 267 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: age all the time, And so I just think people 268 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: should be a bit more prepared for that, also prepared that, Like, 269 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 3: your freshman year of college is not going to be 270 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: the best one, and it shouldn't be. But your freshman 271 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: year is a time of transition. We told Taylor this, 272 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 3: Like you're getting into a new place, you have to 273 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: figure everything out again. You're kind of at the bottom 274 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: of the barrel again. You're not the big dog on 275 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: campus like you were senior year of high school. And 276 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 3: that freshman year can be hard and then when you graduate, 277 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: that's another change. In those early twenty something years can 278 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: be hard, but yeah, it's very formative. 279 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, our conversation began 280 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: as we were walking down one of the main streets 281 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: there at Missoo in Columbia. You know, we went to 282 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: a bunch of Lauren's old haunts, which are amazing. I'm 283 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: going to give a massive shout out to Shakespeare's Pizza, Sparky's, 284 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: Booch's Burger, this old billiards hall that was around since 285 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: late eighteen eighty four. It is and it looks like 286 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: it in the best of ways though. It's just classic 287 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: a place that it could be a scene or a 288 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: place a movie should be shot there because you just 289 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: you look like maybe the sting or color of money 290 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: would be shot there. Just a good lad you loved. 291 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: It's a great college town. It's a great college town. 292 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: And I've been to several college towns because you know, 293 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: I had the the benefit of doing that when I 294 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: was a sportscaster because I was covering OU and so 295 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: I traveled around the Big twelve and went to a 296 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: bunch of those, even to Columbia, Missouri back in the 297 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: day I don't remember them as it was a long 298 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: time ago, but going back now is really fun. And 299 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: you and I dabbled. We just you know, we put 300 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: our toe in there and went to Harpo's and went 301 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: to some of these places like Willy's and had a 302 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: drink with the kids and just got a taste of 303 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: it before we went home. 304 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: And they were so great. The biggest shout out, I 305 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: mean the people. I'm so proud to be from the Midwest. 306 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: I grew up in Chicago, but my mom's whole family 307 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: is Missouri, from the Boothill of Missouri, and they moved 308 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 3: to Chicago to find work, so it was like I 309 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: grew up in Chicago, but my my grandparents, everybody was 310 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: still very Missouri and so they loved when I went 311 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: to school at Missoo, it was like me going back 312 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: to my family's origin story. But the people are so great. 313 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: The kids were so welcoming and loving. All the Miszoo 314 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: kids were so sweet and respectful and just amazing. 315 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: I'm so glad they all said hi. But yeah, I 316 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: think you. 317 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: Know, well, since you mentioned homecoming where and it was 318 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: invented int Miszoo, I think the conclusion I arrived at 319 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: was like traditions like that are actually so important and 320 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: beautiful because you realize, like as I was walking around 321 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: and realizing, oh, I don't know anybody here anymore. The 322 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: idea of homecoming, Like, I think if I was going 323 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: to go back to Missoo again, I would go for 324 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: homecoming and I would organize it with my friends because 325 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: it's really about the people. Like you, you can always 326 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: go home because home is where the heart is. Home 327 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: is where the people that you love. Our home is 328 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 3: about the people in that house, not the house itself. 329 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 3: And that's what I was missing, and that is I 330 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: think the thing of like, you can't go back to 331 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: that time where that people were if the people aren't there. 332 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 3: That's what the difference is. 333 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: It is the fact that you left a piece of 334 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: your heart there, that you put your heart into it. 335 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: We went to the Theta House. Lauren was a Theda 336 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: at Missou and so we went to the Theta House 337 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: were walking around and I don't know if you felt 338 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: like this, I felt that like this when I went 339 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: back to the Kapasig house. I don't want to be there. 340 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to live there again. The thought of 341 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: it actually disgust me. Makes me not just. 342 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: Right that fraternity house. 343 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: Right when I'm walking around that THETA house and I'm 344 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: looking at these old composite pictures, you know, from the 345 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: fifties and the sixties, and then there's Sheryl Crowe's class, 346 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: and then there's Lauren Ziema's class, and I'm looking at 347 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: all these girls who were sisters and most of many 348 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: of them were friends and loved each other. They're long gone, 349 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: they're not in that house anymore, but they are the 350 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: reason that house stands, and the reason it's so strong 351 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: is because of those that came before you. And you 352 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: don't have a bona fide connection to them. You don't 353 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: talk to them, you probably don't even know them, you'll 354 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: never get to know them. But the fact that Lauren 355 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: z Emo was in those halls at one time makes 356 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: it that much better, you know what I mean. 357 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: It's the importance of tradition, right, and of remembering our history. 358 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: Like I think that's what can make you feel not lonely, 359 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: that's what can make a house come alive. Like, yeah, 360 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 3: when I lived there, we looked at the composite pictures 361 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: and we were like, gosh, this is so cool like 362 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: they were, you know, and and they keep different sort 363 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 3: of trophies or like platters or artifacts really on the 364 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 3: shelves in the house, and you have respect for that. 365 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 3: And it also makes you feel not alone. And I 366 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 3: think it's why, like institutions and traditions are so important. 367 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: And now that chapter is really over, I can't go back, 368 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: but I can always go home, and I would want 369 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: to just go home with my friends. Like I homecoming 370 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 3: in the zoo is really big, and I've actually never 371 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: been back for a homecoming, and so now I kind 372 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 3: of feel like, oh, I'm I'm at that place now 373 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: where I would I would just go back in this 374 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: one way, and that would be the right way to 375 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 3: do it. 376 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: Well, you're home now here in Austin, Texas, and we're 377 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: growing roots. 378 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: We have definitely grown roots and been We've watered them 379 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: with tequila and. 380 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: We have good wine. But I'll say this, I'm grateful 381 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: to you. And it just it's always fun when you 382 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: get to see another chapter of someone you love. And 383 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: I love Lauren dearly, but and I've heard many stories 384 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: and I've met many of her soorty sisters who are 385 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: a huge part of our life. I'm a proud DATA 386 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: husband and THETA dad now, but seeing that side of you, 387 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: you getting emotional, meeting one of your former professors and 388 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: speaking at the Jay School and just walking around campus 389 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: and going to the THEATA House and seeing how excited 390 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: people were that you were back so much pride, and 391 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: I just loved it, and so huge shout out to Columbia, 392 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: Missouri and Missoo in general. We did the whole purposes. 393 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: My son was playing lacrosse there, so TCU was playing 394 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: and TCU did win. But it was really fun because 395 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: some people heard we were in town and came out 396 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: in their Missoo gear just to say hi to us, 397 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: which was great at the game, and some of the 398 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: parents whose kids were playing, which ironically was their son 399 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: was an attack man. Our son Joshua was guarding him. 400 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: But we had this There was zero rivalry. It was 401 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: just we were talking and you were talking, Missoo, and 402 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: I just loved every moment of being there with you. 403 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: And I got to go home with you for a second. 404 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: And I know I can't go back because I was 405 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: never a part of it to begin with, but I 406 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: felt like I got to go home and see a 407 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: piece of you, and that meant a lot to me. 408 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I was going 409 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: to say it really sunk into me this weekend. 410 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: I mean, you always. 411 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 3: Like you love hearing about you know, my childhood, and 412 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: you are close with my family. But that was the 413 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: first time, like I had been to OCU for you, 414 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: like when we first started dating. Actually, so you had 415 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 3: never really like seen you hadn't been a missy. You'd 416 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 3: seen these roots of mine for the first time. It 417 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 3: is such a green flag in a relationship when someone 418 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: you're dating or with cares about where you came from, 419 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: when they care about your stories, where they want to 420 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: hear about you, and that I was reminded of that 421 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: this weekend. I loved how supportive you were and how 422 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 3: you were like filming me as I was walking here 423 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 3: on the Theta house. It's a tell in a relationship 424 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 3: for anybody who's starting to get serious with somebody, do 425 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 3: they want to hear about your home? 426 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: So I will end this podcast the only way I 427 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 1: know how m I Z z oh you because we 428 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. 429 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at the most Dramatic pod ever, 430 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: and make sure to write us a review and leave 431 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: us five stars. I'll talk to see next time.