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Speaker 1: Loka to A Radio is a radiophonic novella.

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Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm diosa m and I am Mala Munjos. Lokatra Radio

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Speaker 1: is yr Brima's favorite podcast, hosted by us Mala and Viosa.

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Speaker 2: We're two ig friends turned podcast partners, breaking down pop culture, feminism,

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Speaker 2: sexual wellness, and offering fresh takes on trending topics through

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Speaker 2: nuanced interviews with up and coming LATINX creatives.

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Speaker 1: Known as Las Lokatas, Las Mammis of Myth and Bullshit

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Speaker 1: and Las Bocaces Prosas. We were podcasting independently since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: but joined iHeartMedia's Microtura network in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: This year, we're continuing to share stories from the LATINX community.

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Speaker 2: Barto el Mundo.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to season eight.

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Speaker 2: Are you listening?

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Speaker 1: O La la Loca Motives, Welcome to season eight of

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Speaker 1: lok at Tora Radio. I'm Theosa and I'm Mala. You're

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Speaker 1: tuning in to Capitolos one eighty three.

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Speaker 2: Last time on loc at Tora Radio, we interviewed Goatalina

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Speaker 2: Garcia of Monsieur Berne about her new album about her

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Speaker 2: performance at the Walt Disney Concert Hall with the La

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Speaker 2: Philharmonic and Gustavo Dudamel alongside like a really fabulous host

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Speaker 2: of other Latin American vocalists. Yosa and I actually attended

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Speaker 2: the concert after we interviewed Gotelina Garcia. It's a fabulous interview.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and subscribe to loc at O Radio, leave

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Speaker 2: a review and share with a friend.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to just dive right into it today

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Speaker 1: because we have a jam packed episode as always, but

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Speaker 1: we did want to provide some social context because, as

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Speaker 1: we mentioned in our previous episode, we will be continuing

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Speaker 1: to cover the crisis in Palestine for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the season, and we actually only have like nine episodes

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Speaker 1: this because we know it's an ongoing crisis, and so

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Speaker 1: just to provide some more context as to where we

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Speaker 1: are right now. Monday, November twenty seventh, according to Al Jazeera,

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Speaker 1: more than fourteen thousand Palestinians have been killed in Gaza

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Speaker 1: in the rubble in Israel. The official death toll stands

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Speaker 1: has been a cult pause of bombardment but no ceasefire,

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Speaker 1: and people around the world have demanded a ceasefire. We're

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Speaker 1: continuing to encourage our listeners to be informed, to follow

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Speaker 1: the different journalists that are on the ground in Gaza

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Speaker 2: So today, to continue the conversation and to bring in

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Speaker 2: We're really excited and lucky to have on the show today.

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Speaker 2: Lauren Mavina, who is the owner of Guerrera PR. Lauren

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Speaker 2: is an adjunct instructor in the USC Thornton School of

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Speaker 2: Music Industry program. She has worked in the music industry

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Speaker 2: for twenty two years and she, as I said, currently

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Speaker 2: owns Guerrera Marketing and PR, company of bilingual hybrid agency

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Speaker 2: focused on public relations, marketing, consulting, and brand partnerships representing

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Speaker 2: avant garde LATINX artists who strive to create their musical lanes.

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Speaker 2: Lauren is of Cuban and Palestinian descent and has been

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Speaker 2: vocal about free Palestine for many years. It's part of

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Speaker 2: her personal and political praxis and she's joining us today

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Speaker 1: So, without further ado, we are going to bring on

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Speaker 1: Laden to talk to us about all the things Mala

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Speaker 3: Hi, how's everyone doing?

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Speaker 4: Thank you first and foremost for having me diosa Mala.

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Speaker 4: Thank you to everyone who's listening, and to everyone who's

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Speaker 4: supported LOKA. It's really important to support podcasts such as yours,

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Speaker 4: which are female owned and operated, and the topics that

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Speaker 3: So I want to thank you and acknowledge that.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, my name is larn and I'm Palestinian and

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Speaker 2: You, thank you so much. You know, We've been wanting

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Speaker 2: we missing when our community specifically is talking about Israel Palestine.

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Speaker 2: And so you, with your background and being who you are,

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Speaker 3: And I definitely can speak on that.

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Speaker 4: So just to give you some context, my dad is

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Speaker 4: So my dad was a political prisoner in Cuba, so

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Speaker 3: A product of war. I'm a product of war refugees

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Speaker 4: If it wasn't for these things that happen in Cuba

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Speaker 4: But you know, back then you're talking about like you know,

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Speaker 4: my family was Christian, but their Patasans are predominantly Muslim,

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Speaker 3: So there's a huge parallel, you know, between the Latino

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great example of some of the things

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Speaker 1: You know, you said ghetas marketing, like that's why it's

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Speaker 4: this happened. That when Hamas invaded Israel, I spoke out

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Speaker 4: Immediately accused of being anti Semitic, which, for your anybody listening,

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Speaker 4: It just had to do with the simple with the

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Speaker 4: for them to see a bulldozer break through a fence

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Speaker 3: All of that has merit and there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: It doesn't work that day. And even though the genocide

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Speaker 3: So we are paying for that with our tax dollars.

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Speaker 3: That should infuriate you. It's time to stop being scared

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Speaker 4: The boycotting it's really helping the divestment, it's really helping

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, at the end of the day, it

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Speaker 3: We're seeing this happen in Sudan, We're seeing this.

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Speaker 3: So there are so many countries. We're not the only one.

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Speaker 4: And it's it's it's comparable to to the George Floyd situation.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't the first, the last, and won't be the last.

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Speaker 4: be like, yo, the US and Israel are terrorist states

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Speaker 4: That's really what's going on. That is really the bottom line, right.

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Speaker 4: So the US bacs Israel because they needed a geopolitical

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Speaker 4: major oil companies to start drilling. And they can't drill

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Speaker 4: under Gaza. Why not to mention that Israel funded and

436
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Speaker 4: propped up on us. But that's a different that's that's

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Speaker 4: another podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I am wondering, Lauren, if we have we

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Speaker 2: have listeners out there who want to know how they

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Speaker 2: can show solid, how they can participate, how they can

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Speaker 2: get involved beyond posting on Instagram, right, what is What

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Speaker 2: are your recommendations? What do you think is most helpful,

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Speaker 2: especially for like a Latino community who does not want

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Speaker 2: to fall into the Christian Zionism side of things, who

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Speaker 2: wants to show their support for the Palestinian people.

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Speaker 4: I think there are so many ways, you know, the

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Speaker 4: obvious ones are obviously like going to a protest, talking

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Speaker 4: to people right, listening to people who are Pedestinian who

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Speaker 4: are on the ground, and following all of those accounts

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Speaker 4: and just really informing yourself. I would suggest that if

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Speaker 4: you want to inform yourself on the situation, do not

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Speaker 4: follow any American media. They have been super biased and

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Speaker 4: falsely reporting stuff, from CNN to NBC to.

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Speaker 3: All of them. Basically, I would say follow Al Jazeera,

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Speaker 3: rots I on the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: There's several several news outlets and and and Instagram accounts

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Speaker 4: that you can follow. I think the other thing is

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Speaker 4: boycotting that really works, you know, boycotting Nestle, which has

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Speaker 4: an espresso. Unfortunately I am, oh god, I am an

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Speaker 4: espresso person, but I just you know, I know more

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Speaker 4: in an espresso for me Disney and uh Starbucks that's

462
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Speaker 4: overpriced and grows. Anyways, you know, and I think we

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Speaker 4: need to start, you know, like like really decentralizing like

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Speaker 4: our monies. Like I have investments, and I have money

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Speaker 4: in stocks, and I called my financial advisor and I'm like,

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Speaker 4: pull my money out of every company that I have

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Speaker 4: any stocks and that may manufacture weapons, any of these

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Speaker 4: companies that support Tesla or that support any of these

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Speaker 4: other companies. I think shopping local, you know know, like

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Speaker 4: I'm a person who would never.

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Speaker 3: Buy anything that the Kardashian makes.

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Speaker 4: Like we need to stop making rich people richer, and

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Speaker 4: we need to start investing in in like.

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Speaker 3: Our own community.

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Speaker 4: So now I'm like, you know, buying makeup from brands

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Speaker 4: that are made by Latinos latinas I'm you know, Middle

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Speaker 4: Eastern folks. So I feel like there needs to be

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Speaker 4: we need to fight money with money, because this is

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00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: all about money. This whole entire conflict is about money.

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Speaker 4: That is that is the truth. Like, aside from the genocide,

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Speaker 4: and aside from all the religious stuff and aside from

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Speaker 4: the land, that is just the icing on the cake.

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Speaker 3: The real, real, real reason is money.

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Speaker 4: It always has been. It was that for Iraq, it

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Speaker 4: was that for everything else. I think to finish answering

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Speaker 4: your question boycotting to divestments.

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Speaker 3: If you have any money in stocks, like talk to.

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Speaker 4: Whoever your financial advisor is, or if you don't have

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Speaker 4: a financial advisor, to.

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Speaker 3: Start investigating and boycotting.

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Speaker 4: We give all these major corporations way too much money,

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Speaker 4: and what are they doing with that money?

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Speaker 3: A lot of these people are doing really.

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Speaker 4: Evil shit with that money and supporting these wars and

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Speaker 4: supporting these genocides. And it's just like we we have

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Speaker 4: to be diligent about and hyper vigionant about where we're

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Speaker 4: spending our money. And I think that is the one

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Speaker 4: And obviously besides donating you know, uh, donating money to.

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Speaker 3: Organizations who are on the ground and gaza.

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Speaker 4: But other than that, that's that's the only thing we

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Speaker 4: can do that keep marching, keep keep signing petitions, calling

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Speaker 4: your reps like however, but they they we can't let

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Speaker 4: up because the next marginalized group that some shit happens too.

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Speaker 3: We all have to have the same energy.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, the US cannot survive

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Speaker 4: without our tax money.

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Speaker 3: They need us.

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Speaker 4: The two percent is not gonna put their own money

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Speaker 4: to run this country. They need us. That's what people

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Speaker 4: don't understand. I feel powerless a lot of times personally

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Speaker 4: because obviously this is so much.

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Speaker 3: But then I'm like, wait a second. You know, if

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Speaker 3: millions of us.

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Speaker 4: Have solidarity and we get on the same program, they're

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Speaker 4: gonna be fucked and it's gonna be really scary. Imagine

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Speaker 4: if like, you know, two hundred million people decided they

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Speaker 4: weren't fucking paying taxes no more, right, two hundred million

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Speaker 4: people in jail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is often the thing, jailing people and

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Speaker 2: you know, taking jobs away from people. They do that

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Speaker 2: to discourage others from joining in, right, And the examples

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Speaker 2: that you gave at the top of the episode of

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Speaker 2: people who have spoken out and then lost jobs. It

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Speaker 2: is scary and it does scare people, and it's this

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Speaker 2: sickly thing. You know, the Red Scare was a big deal,

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Speaker 2: and people lost their jobs and their livelihoods if they

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Speaker 2: were even considered to be at all like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: empathetic towards communism, and a lot of Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 2: activists over the years have gone missing or turned of

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Speaker 2: dead or in jail. And now folks that are expressing

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Speaker 2: solidarity with Palestine are experiencing similar repercussions, and so it

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Speaker 2: is very scary, you know, to be that person to

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Speaker 2: step up. But you're right. When there is strength in numbers,

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00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: when the masses come together, that's when the powers that

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Speaker 2: be end up. They have to relent. A change has

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Speaker 2: to happen. Something's got to give, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean we've seen it with the Civil

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Speaker 5: rights movement, but I mean it you they galvanized millions

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Speaker 5: of people, and I feel like, you know again, I

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Speaker 5: don't I don't think that anybody should be looking at

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Speaker 5: this as oh, this is just a Palestinian issue.

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Speaker 3: This is a first people of color issue. This is

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Speaker 3: a marginalized community issue. You know.

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Speaker 4: What's been really beautiful for me to see is that

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Speaker 4: in all the protests, I try to go to a

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Speaker 4: protest at least once a week, and and so I see,

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Speaker 4: you know, the LGBTQ community show up for us.

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Speaker 3: I see, you know, the Indian community show up. I

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Speaker 3: see a lot of Jewish folks show up.

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Speaker 4: Those make me cry all the time. I see obviously

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Speaker 4: black folks show up. I mean at Kailani run. I

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00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: run into her literally at every protest. You know, kai

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Speaker 4: Lani for president for real. And so you know, it's

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Speaker 4: really beautiful to see that and all the other marches

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Speaker 4: I've been to for for Black Lives Matter and for

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Speaker 4: you know, when Trump got elected, it was just I

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00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: think that's the one thing that gives me hope when

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00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: I see, you know, all these people in protests. I

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Speaker 4: think the only thing that's missing is that not enough

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00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: people are posting because they're scared.

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Speaker 3: And and it's like, I get it.

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Speaker 4: And I'm talking from a position of privilege because I

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Speaker 4: own my own business, and if a couple of clients

564
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Speaker 4: fire me, it's not going to affect me.

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Speaker 3: It's not I'm going to be able to pay my

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Speaker 3: bills just fine. So I understand that I want.

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Speaker 4: To acknowledge that I also come from a place of

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Speaker 4: privilege and that not everybody has the luxury to do that,

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Speaker 4: because there's people who are you know, relying on brands

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Speaker 4: money for their podcast, or they're relying on brand money

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Speaker 4: for their events, and a lot of these brands maybe

572
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Speaker 4: may have ties to people who are you know, pro Israel,

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Speaker 4: who want us who would silence them or they would

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Speaker 4: lose the job.

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Speaker 3: And and so I understand.

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Speaker 4: So if you're in that situation, I don't need you

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Speaker 4: to risk your your you know, I don't need you

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Speaker 4: to like end up in a bad financial situation, because

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Speaker 4: that's not gonna I don't want, we don't want that

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Speaker 4: for you, right. But if if that's not the case,

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Speaker 4: then I feel like, Okay, you know, show up up

582
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 4: for us, and we're gonna show up for you always.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're always because man, I'm telling you, if

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Speaker 4: if anybody knows war and genocide, oppression being called terror,

585
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Speaker 4: my mom's my mom was called the terrorists her whole

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Speaker 4: fucking life living in Miami, Miami, that was always like

587
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: predominantly white Cuban as you know, a lot of Cubans

588
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: vote for Trump the majority.

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Speaker 3: You know, Cubans are pro Israel the majority.

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Speaker 4: And my mom is a Palestinian woman living in Miami

591
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Speaker 4: was called una India and in a derogatory way, right

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Speaker 4: because white Latinos used that term in a derogatory way.

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Speaker 3: It was called Unatta, you know.

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Speaker 4: Was my mom was super vocal about about being Palestinian

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Speaker 4: and had a sticker in her car that said, yo, am,

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Speaker 4: my mom has always been writing hard and she.

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Speaker 3: Is the.

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Speaker 4: Quintessential Palestinian angry woman who's always like you know, depicted

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Speaker 4: as yelling, as angry, and I get her, and I

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Speaker 4: get it now because she has faced so much backlash

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Speaker 4: just for existing, just for being who she is. So

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Speaker 4: if anybody else has gone through that, then this should

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Speaker 4: really pull on your heartstrings.

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Speaker 3: Man. You know they should really like hit you deep

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Speaker 3: and say fuck you know what.

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Speaker 4: I come from a community that we live that shit too,

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00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 4: you know, so we got to ride for each other.

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Speaker 3: It's the only way. It's the only way.

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Speaker 4: And it's not like, well, you know, I really love Starbucks, man,

610
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Speaker 4: fuck Starbucks, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Like, you know, think when you think about the next

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Speaker 3: time you think about getting a fucking Starbucks.

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Speaker 4: Think about that kid that they found under the rubble,

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Speaker 4: that could have been your daughter, that could have been

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Speaker 4: your little brother, that could have been your niece, your nephew.

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Speaker 4: Think about that shit. Starbucks is not that good. Ah.

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Speaker 2: This is true, hard truths, hard truths. But I thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for sharing your perspective and for giving

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Speaker 2: our audience you know some some ways, some action steps

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Speaker 2: that they can take to actually express their solidarity and

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Speaker 2: get involved.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, Loden. We really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you for giving us some of the personal and

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Speaker 1: political examples. So yeah, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you ladies so much, and I appreciate it, and

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Speaker 4: so everybody who's listening, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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