1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's Movie Podcast. I 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: am your host Movie Mike. Big episode for you today. 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Robert England aka Freddy Krueger is back on the podcast. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: We are celebrating the seventh film collection, which is out now, 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: and I want to know his secret to playing Freddy Krueger. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: How did he get into character. I'll also talk to 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: a couple of directors from the franchise A Nightmare on 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: Elm Streek two, Freddy's Revenge, and the director of Freddy's 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Dead the Final Nightmare. Get all the behind the scenes, 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: some of the things that went wrong and some of 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: the things that went oh so right in the franchise. 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: In the movie review, I'll finally talk about the Smashing 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: Machine and why I believe it failed and something out 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: of pocket for me. I am actually going to defend 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: the Rock I know, I know, I gotta defend him 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: because I almost feel bad for him. And in the 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: trailer park we'll talk about Zootopia two. I also want 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: to revisit Zootopia one a little bit and how much 19 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: of an emotional punch did that movie packed. Thank you 20 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: for being here, Thank you for being subscribed. Shout out 21 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: to the Monday Morning Movie Crew those who listen on 22 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: release day. Now, let's talk movies from. 23 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: The Nustville Podcast Network. This is Movie Mike Movie. 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: Pot A Nightmare on Elm Street is one of the 25 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: greatest horror franchises of all time. It's October now it 26 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: is a great time to revisit the franchise if you 27 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: have it in a while. Whenever I revisit these movies, 28 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: I love to start with number one and then go 29 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: with them movie by movie to see how much Freddy 30 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: Krueger changed from film to film. Because whenever Robert England 31 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: first got hired to play Freddy Krueger, he wasn't really 32 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: supposed to be the guy. But now when you look 33 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: around at all the horror movie franchises, from your Halloweens, 34 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: your child's plays, your Friday the thirteenth, Robert England is 35 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: the one actor who is irreplaceable in those situations. Without him, 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: these movies would not work. His portrayal of Freddy has 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: become iconic, not only from how frightening he looks on 38 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: screen once he gets that makeup on, but from his 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: delivery of his witty wines. How much of a frightening 40 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: presence he is every time he is on screen. Robert 41 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: England is a legend, and he is somebody who I 42 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: enjoy talking to so much because how much appreciation he 43 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: has for this role that I feel like some people 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: could get jaded by this point. But I got to 45 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: talk to Robert England for the first time last year, 46 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: and he is so enthusiastic and so generous with this 47 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: time that he's become one of my favorite people to interview. 48 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: Is so any opportunity I get with him to talk 49 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: about A Nightmare on Elm Street, I'm going to take 50 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: that opportunity. 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: The seventh film collection of A. 52 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: Nightmare on Elm Street is available now on four KUHD, 53 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at my copy right now, and it 54 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: just feels so good to have such an iconic franchise 55 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: in your hands, because this way, streaming services can't take 56 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: it away from you if you own this collection. Anytime 57 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: October rolls around, or it doesn't even have to be 58 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 1: spooky season, sometimes I just get an itch to want 59 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: to dive back into these movies. That is the great 60 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: thing about having physical media. So that is available now. 61 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: So first up, let's talk to the man himself, Robert England. 62 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: And how he gets into character to play Freddy Krueger. 63 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: I might so the Freddy makeup took about four hours 64 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: each day. I wonder what did you listen to while 65 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: you were sitting in the chair. Did you get like 66 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: music going to hype you up? 67 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: Like? 68 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: What did you do? 69 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 4: Well? 70 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: You know, when we began the series, I wasn't the 71 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: star of the series yet. I was just the guy 72 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: under pounds of foam latex and colostomy bag glue. So 73 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: I had to surrender to my makeup men. And so 74 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 3: that was David Miller in the in the early years, 75 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: and then Kevin Yaeger, the great Kevin Yaeger, and then 76 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: the KNB. 77 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 4: Crew, who now of. 78 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: Course have done you know, have oscars for Chronicles of 79 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: Narnia and created Walking Dead many other things. So I 80 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: was sort of I had to suffer a lot of 81 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: heavy metal in those early days. Those guys raw headbangers. 82 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: So there was a lot of heavy metal in the 83 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: makeup trailer. 84 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: Did that help you at all to get into character 85 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: during that process? Like the heavy metal going is that 86 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: when you kind of start to like, okay, I'm seeking 87 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: into this character now, and then you're immediately able to 88 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: film right after that, or there's some other process to 89 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: psyching yourself up. 90 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: No, you know, I think that the aggravation of the cold, 91 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: the cold glue in the morning on my face and 92 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: the time, you know, spent in the makeup chair and 93 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 3: getting poked with those old makeup brushes that had become 94 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: kind of crusty over the weeks, you know, of you 95 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: those guys were cheap skates, you know, they would get 96 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: that like pull a tooth to get a new brush. 97 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: So everyone when they touched me up, they I was 98 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: getting poked a lot, and you know, you kind of 99 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: feel that, especially around the eyes. So I wasn't in 100 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: the best of mood, and so that would make me 101 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: slightly profane, and I would tease those guys or threaten 102 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: to spit in their coffee, things like that. And I 103 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 3: could see myself all the time in the mirror because 104 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 3: we were using a big ma makeup mirror, and I 105 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: would see myself in the mirror, and sometimes I would 106 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: slip into a voice that I would eventually settle on 107 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: as Freddie's voice, you know, you know, like damn it, 108 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: Kevin or David, get that brush out of my face. 109 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 3: And it just worked and I knew that that I 110 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: could live in that voice. You have to remember, back 111 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 3: in those days and on all the films, I didn't 112 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: have a lot of dialogue every day, maybe one or 113 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: two lines a day until later on. You know, Freddy 114 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: got more verbose as the as the franchise went on, 115 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: and I did some narration and in parts in Freddie 116 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: versus Jason. But that's sort of how I found Freddy 117 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: in the makeup chair, you know. And then that began 118 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: back with David Miller at his studio out in the 119 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: San Fernando. 120 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 4: Valley on the original one. 121 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 3: You know, I really sort of found the voice there 122 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: in those hours of experimenting with David Miller and creating 123 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 3: the makeup. 124 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: Looking back on the movies, I realized how physical the 125 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: role of Freddy was. Was that kind of surprising to you, 126 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: how physical it actually was to become Freddy Krueger. 127 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I was an athlete. You know, I 128 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 3: surfed all my life. I surfed it well into my sixties. 129 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: And I'd been a gymnast in middle school, and I'd 130 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 3: been on the swimming team, you know, in high school 131 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: and lettered, and so I was an athletic actor and 132 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: I'd used a lot of those skills in the theater 133 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 3: as well. But with Freddie, what was fun was when 134 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: I had that makeup on, it sort of made me 135 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: more or less inhibited, and I was able to kind 136 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: of dance him a little more and move him differently 137 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: than I would move as Robert England without makeup. I 138 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 3: wasn't afraid to explore the physicality of the character. 139 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 4: The stunts. 140 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: I just did as many of them as I could. 141 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: That's just sort of a you know, a misguided actors 142 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: macho that we all succumb to on the set, you know, 143 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: where we try to do as much as we can. 144 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: And you know when I when there were big fire stunts, 145 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: that's not me. I did some fire stunts, but the 146 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: big ones isn't me. And when you see Freddie flying 147 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: through the air on fire and things like that, that's 148 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: not me. But you know, you know, I did a 149 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: lot of my stuff, you know, I you know I did, 150 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: and you know, everything from fire stunts to underwater stuff. 151 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: So it was fun, you know, to have a little 152 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: bit of that legacy that I could bring up, you know, 153 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: and during happy hours somewhere. 154 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: For bragging on. 155 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: But thank you so much, for the time, Robert, this 156 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: is awesome, all. 157 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 4: Right, thank you, we'd bye Mike. 158 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: A Nightmare on Elm Street to Freddy's Revenge is celebrating 159 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: its fortieth anniversary. Came out back in nineteen eighty five 160 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: and was directed by Jack Shoulder. Jack Shoulder has a 161 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: background in music. He actually studied to be a trumpet player. 162 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: He's known for his work in the horride, including movies 163 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: like The Hidden, Alone in the Dark and A Nightmare 164 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: on Hilm Street Too. He had an interesting dilemma going 165 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: into the filming of part two because New Line at 166 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: first considered replacing Robert England due to a salary dispute. 167 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: So I want to get the story behind that. 168 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: Let's talk to director Jack Shoulder. 169 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: It is a while to me to think that Freddy 170 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: was almost not played by Robert England and he actually 171 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: had a stunt double. 172 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: Like the first two weeks of filming. Did you notice immediately. 173 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: That just his he wasn't the stunt double. 174 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 5: Oh, he wasn't an extra somebody that grabbed off the 175 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 5: street who fit the costume and they thought his face 176 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 5: they could make it up to look like Freddie. He 177 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 5: wasn't a stuntman. Would have been a lot better. I mean, 178 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,119 Speaker 5: this guy had no idea what the fuck he was doing. 179 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: So it was just a random person. 180 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 4: Random. 181 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 6: Yeah. 182 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 5: I keep expecting that somebody's gonna come out and say 183 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 5: I was Freddie a nightmare too? 184 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 7: For what? 185 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: See, if that was me, I would be screaming that 186 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: every day, like that was me in the movie. 187 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, you wouldn't think so, So how. 188 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: Did that go? Like, what did you do as a 189 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: director like this is not working? 190 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 191 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: Well, he was walking like Frankenstein, and I had to say, 192 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 5: walk like a man, you know, don't walk like a monster. 193 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 4: You know, he was like lurching from side to side. 194 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: He just walks. You know. 195 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 5: So after like about half a dozen takes, I've finally 196 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 5: gotten to do something that resembled a human being. 197 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 4: Then, you know, the following week, Robert comes. 198 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 5: On and you know, when he walks across the room, 199 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 5: he can feel the room shaped. 200 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: You know, given that the movie was filmed in a 201 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: pretty quick time, what was one of the biggest obstacles 202 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: when it just came to using the practical effects everything? 203 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 4: Well, I had this huge list. 204 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 5: I don't know, there were like one hundred special effects 205 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 5: or something or more. I had no idea how to 206 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 5: do any of it. Scared the hell out of me. 207 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 5: And they said, don't worry. We've got this great guy. 208 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 5: And he was the He had been the head of 209 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 5: special effects at twentieth Century for. 210 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 4: Like, you know, twenty years. And I met him. 211 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 5: He was a real old old timer and I said, so, 212 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 5: of all the things that you've worked on, what are 213 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 5: you the most proud of? 214 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 6: Me? 215 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 4: Thought him. 216 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 5: And he said, I think the work I did with 217 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 5: the Three Stooges, that was sure. 218 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 4: But he kind of like he was really old fashioned. 219 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 5: A lot of monofilament, and they had like this stuff 220 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 5: called ab smoke that you could probably buy it like 221 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 5: a magic store, where you put the A on one 222 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 5: thing and then you put the B on the other. 223 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: When you touch it, this phoney smoke comes. 224 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 5: Out, and they're all of these things, and you know, 225 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 5: I I just sort of said, okay, you know, you're 226 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 5: the expert here. 227 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 4: You know, you do it, and. 228 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 8: I'll film it, so so you know, we we know 229 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 8: got through it. You know a lot of you know, 230 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 8: some of the effects are a little hokey, but it's 231 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 8: kind of part of you know, if we were doing 232 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 8: it now. A lot of these things would be done 233 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 8: digitally or enhands digitally. But part of the beauty of 234 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,359 Speaker 8: the film, I think is that it's kind of handmade. 235 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 4: You can kind of see it wasn't like made out 236 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 4: of a factory mold. 237 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 5: You know, where some some you know geniuses in a 238 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 5: in a you know, AI special effects studio digitizing everything 239 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 5: that you know, with perfection. 240 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 4: You know, it's very imperfect. 241 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 5: But I think maybe you know from viewers, that's part 242 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 5: of the charm of you know, the eighties horror films. 243 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: I think it definitely adds to the charm. What scene 244 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: for you was the one where you filmed it and 245 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: as soon as you hit cut that you were just like, okay, 246 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: we got it there, and that is the one you're 247 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: the most proud of. 248 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 5: I think the the ending of the film in the 249 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 5: in the steel mill, when well, actually, I mean I 250 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 5: could I could sort of say the transformation scene, but 251 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 5: you know, part of that was shot by second unit. 252 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 5: Anything that that did not involve the actor themselves. 253 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 4: So like the close up of. 254 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 5: The claws coming out of the hand, you know, those 255 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 5: kinds of things, those were Those are also the shower scene. 256 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 5: The shower scene, I thought it went went went really great. 257 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 5: I was I was really happy with that when when 258 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 5: Marshall bell Is sort of tied up and the showers 259 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 5: go both. 260 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 4: Both bull bo both bull you know, they all they. 261 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 5: All come on, and actually that was that was one 262 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 5: of the things where I was able to enhance it 263 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 5: that I wanted each each time that another shower had 264 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 5: went on to almost be like like a. 265 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 4: Gun impact boom boom boom and build up, you know, 266 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: and you know, so those are kind of, you know, 267 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 4: some of the little things that I was able to do. 268 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 5: So you know, it's like it's the same movie, but 269 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 5: it's it's better and it's exactly the way we wanted 270 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: it to be, which is you've never seen it exactly 271 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 5: the way we wanted it to. 272 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 4: Be until now. 273 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: Rachel Talaay directed Freddy's Dead The Final Nightmare back in 274 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one was a great year because not only 275 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: was this movie released, I was also released into the world. 276 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: Her career spans for decades. 277 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: Not only did she direct The Final Nightmare, but she 278 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: also directed eight episodes of Doctor Who, as well as 279 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: the BBC series Sherlock, multiple episodes of TV shows like 280 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: American Gods, Marvel's Iron Fist, DC's Don't Patrol, Quantum Leap, Riverdale, Sabrina, Supergirl, 281 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,599 Speaker 1: Legends of Tomorrow, and The Flash. Did other movies like 282 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: Tank Girl, Ghost in the Machine, and Wind in the Willows. 283 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: She was also a pioneer for female directors in the nineties. 284 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: Want to talk to her about that and what she 285 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: remembers about Freddy Krueger's actual funeral, which was a promotional 286 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: stuff that they did for this movie. But right now, 287 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: let's talk to Rachel Talla. 288 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 6: The Hi Nice Too, Happy October, Nice fucking Ball. 289 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: Thank you, Rachel. 290 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: You were one of the few female directors in the 291 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: horror genre in the early nineties. How did directing a 292 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: franchise as big as Nightmare on Elm Street impact your 293 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: career and whether it was giving you confidence or be 294 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: able to push projects later on? 295 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 2: Like, how did it affect your career? 296 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 6: This is a much more than a five minute conversation. 297 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 6: I was incredibly lucky with New Line that they let 298 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 6: me produce. They let me grow up on Nightmare and 299 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 6: Elm Street, so that I started as an accountant, and 300 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 6: then I became a producer on the series, and then 301 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 6: I got to direct Freddy's Dad and then when I 302 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 6: went out into the bigger world outside of Newline, being 303 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 6: a woman was a big obstruction. So while everything I 304 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 6: know about making effects and stuff, which helped me hugely 305 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 6: in the future I learned on Nightmare and Elm Street, 306 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 6: it was not enough to overcome my chromosomes. 307 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: I know that there was a lot of just differences 308 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: in what Newline wanted in your vision. How do you 309 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: handle a studio note when you get something back like 310 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: we kind of want to change this, Like, as a director, 311 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: how do you take that? 312 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 6: Well? I didn't have a lot of issues with Newline 313 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 6: on Freddy's Dad, except when they except afterwards when they 314 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 6: cut it for the video without telling me. I mean, 315 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 6: I think there was a lot of trust in me 316 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 6: on Freddie's Dad because I'd made the other ones and 317 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 6: because I was listening to it was written by Michael 318 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 6: DeLuca and it was Robert Shea and I had a 319 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 6: good relationship Bob and I, and I had a good 320 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 6: relationship with Robert England, but on other projects Let's not 321 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 6: go there. 322 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: How does that help with you saying you had a 323 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: great relationship with Robert England during the process, Like, are 324 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: you able to push him a little harder. Is he 325 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: just able to trust you more throughout? 326 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 6: I think it's a trust factor. But I think that also, 327 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 6: I mean the trust factor goes my way, which is 328 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 6: this man has created this. I mean he's not a 329 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 6: man in a hockey mask. He's full, he's a brilliant actor, 330 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 6: and it's one hundred percent him, even though he's got 331 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 6: makeup on, and therefore you have to have But it 332 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 6: allows for the dialogue how far do we want to 333 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 6: push this, how scary should this scene b versus how 334 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 6: funny should this scene be? Letting him giving him a 335 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 6: lot of freedom. But often I always work with actors 336 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 6: that way anyway, in terms of trying to have the 337 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 6: maximum dialogue about so that it's a it's a collaboration. 338 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: I remember them having a funeral for Freddy. Whenever the 339 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: movie came out, the promotional thing, did you attend that funeral? 340 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: And if so, like what went down? 341 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 6: So it was Freddy Krueger Day, which is in Los Angeles, 342 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 6: which is insane when you think about it. That tom 343 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 6: they are trying biot Freddy at a coffin. I have 344 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 6: a picture of me with Ray bans All and looking 345 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 6: sad over the coffin. And there was an event that 346 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 6: I don't remember particularly well, but the concept of this 347 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 6: being like this promo funeral thing was it was so crazy, 348 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 6: like that was you know, La and the crazy, crazy 349 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 6: times hilarious. 350 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: I've got to say, oh, yeah, just just picturing everybody 351 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: around kind of mourning and then being such a big 352 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: part of that. 353 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 6: Coffin and this Freddy Collers and yeah, it was amazing. 354 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: How do you feel about that process of when you 355 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: finish a movie, now you have to sell it. How 356 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: do you feel about that as a director? 357 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 6: Well, most of the time you're four. I mean you 358 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 6: have to be very powerful director to have any say 359 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 6: in the marketing or be it with a very collaborative studio. 360 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 6: So most of the time you're frustrated because you wonder 361 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 6: what there There's a lot of why are they doing 362 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 6: this with Freddy? It was because I worked with the company. 363 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 6: I mean it worked at line as well. I was 364 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 6: much more engaged, but they had a very strong I 365 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 6: knew how to sell Freddy, so it was a very 366 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 6: positive thing. And when they come back to you and say, oh, 367 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 6: we marketed Freddy Krueger day, and you're like, okay, go 368 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 6: let's do. 369 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: Let's go appreciate it. Rachel, this has been awesome, nice, 370 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: very nice to be too. 371 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: Thank you. 372 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: Let's get into it now. 373 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: A spoiler free movie review of The Smashing Machine, starring 374 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: Dwayne the Rock Johnson as MMA fighter Mark Kerr. Also 375 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: stars Emily Blunt Ryan Batter, who is an MMA fighter 376 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: making his acting debut and making his solo directorial debut. 377 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: The movie is written and directed by Ben Safti. The 378 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: movie is about Mark's career, who got his start in 379 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: the late nineties and early two thousands, back when UFC 380 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: isn't what it is today. It was more violent, it 381 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: was more brutal. People wanted to see a band because 382 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: of that. So part of this movie takes place with 383 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: his career here in the United States, but also going 384 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: overseas to Japan to fight over there. Mark is a 385 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: very complex gentle giant where there are moments where he 386 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: is so soft and comforting and will take the time 387 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: to talk to a kid in the waiting room at 388 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: his doctor's office, and where he is speaking to a 389 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: kid and breaking down why he fights, what goes through 390 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: his mind when he's trying to beat his opponent, how 391 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: the two people don't hate each other, it is just 392 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: the business. 393 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: But in Mark's head, he only knows one thing, and 394 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 2: that one thing is to win. 395 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: But you see him throughout the movie just be this 396 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: really soft spoken, normal guy that is so lovable, and 397 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: then he has these moments of rage because of all 398 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: the things he's battling with addiction, with pain, where he 399 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: turns into this completely different person that goes on to 400 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: be dubbed as the smashing Machine. And not only do 401 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: you see him flip that switch in the ring, but 402 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: you also see him flip that switch in his personal 403 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: life with his girlfriend Emily Blunt, where he does things 404 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: to show her how much he loves her, but he's 405 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: also dealing with all these feelings that he doesn't know 406 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: where to put his emotions, he doesn't know how to 407 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: express it. He is literally in pain every single day, 408 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: so that frustration comes out with him kind of lashing 409 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: out towards her. 410 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 2: So in this story, you see Mark fight a lot 411 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: of people. 412 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: He fights other people in the ring, in the most 413 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: literal sense, he fights himself because a lot of his 414 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: issues have to do with his own personal struggles. He 415 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: fights with his girlfriend and him taking his career and 416 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: his fighting more seriously, than he does their relationship and 417 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: with all these struggles that Mark had going on in 418 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: his life. 419 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: I found the movie jumped around a lot, and. 420 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: I think where the movie struggled was to really paint 421 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: you a picture of who Mark Kerr is. Before The 422 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: Smashing Machine, I had no idea who Mark Kerr is. 423 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't going into this because I'm a huge fan 424 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: of him and wanted to see a biopic about him. 425 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna a movie about somebody that most 426 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: people don't know who they are, you have to make 427 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: their story so compelling that that doesn't matter. And I 428 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: don't think The Smashing Machine succeeded in that. The movie 429 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: was a slow burn and it didn't really feel like 430 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: it reached its climax at any point in the film. 431 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: While there was some moments where the cash shine, particularly 432 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: Emily Blunt I think had probably the most powerful scene 433 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: out of the entire movie from any character, and there 434 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: were moments that you felt for Mark Kerr and the 435 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: Rock really tried to squeeze out that Oscar worthy performance, 436 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: but those moments were few and far between that the 437 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: movie felt a little bit too cozy for comfort for 438 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: a character that really needed to be developed in a 439 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: story that really needed to hit a home run. I 440 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: never really felt that moment where I was fully right 441 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: there with Mark Kerr, because even when Mark reached his 442 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: lowest of low's in the film, I didn't really feel 443 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: it wholeheartedly. And I don't know if that was Ben 444 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: Saftie's direction and vision or The Rock's performance, but I 445 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: had a really hard time developing in amotional attachment to Mark, 446 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: who I think is a really unique and interesting person. 447 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: And this is the most three dimensional character that The 448 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: Rock has played in years. And I find myself in 449 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: a weird position now that I feel the need to 450 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: defend the Rock. If you told me last year after 451 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: I went on a huge rant about how Red One, 452 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: his Christmas action movie, was the downfall of Hollywood, if 453 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: you told me back when I was on that rant 454 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four that I would. 455 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: Be here now defending the Rock. Because of how much 456 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: this movie has. 457 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: Tanked and its Instagram posts saying you can't predict the 458 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: box office and you can't control that, I feel the 459 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: need to come to his rescue. Because The Smashing Machine 460 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: opened to six million dollars. It came in third overall 461 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: opening weekend behind Taylor Swift, behind a second week of 462 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: one battle after another. The movie costs fifty million dollars 463 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: to make, and as soon as that happens, people start. 464 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: To jump ship on the movie a little bit. 465 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: Where a big driving force going into that opening weekend 466 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: was all of that Oscar buzz, and maybe that was 467 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: just something that we all built up inside our heads 468 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: because of the trailer, because of when this movie was 469 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: coming out, because of the director attached to it, and 470 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: maybe we unfairly put those standards on it. I'm also 471 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: a huge pan of Texas football. Maybe it has the 472 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 1: Arch Manning effect where we all thought he was going 473 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: to be amazing and it was all just media hype 474 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: and then you go watch the actual thing and you're like, well, 475 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: that's not really what I was expecting. 476 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this is a bad movie. 477 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: I enjoyed The Smashing Machine from beginning to end, even 478 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: though it wasn't exactly what I was expecting, even though 479 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: it didn't really drive home that emotional moment. But I 480 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: was expecting it to be Best Picture worthy. I was 481 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: not only expecting The Rock to have an easy nomination 482 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: for Best Actor, but be in contention to actually win 483 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: his first trophy. After watching this, I think even a 484 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: nomination would be a stretch because I didn't really feel 485 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: his performance was at that level. It's also just wild 486 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: to me, and I can't get over that six million number. 487 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: The Rock has almost four hundred million followers on Instagram alone, 488 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: the movie only made six million dollars. How small of 489 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: a fraction of his followers actually went to see this movie. 490 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: And I think after last year, I unfollowed The Rock 491 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: just because his promotion was. 492 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: A little bit too much. 493 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: But this almost feels like the most popular kid in 494 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: school has a birthday party and nobody shows up. And 495 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: the reason I feel I need to defend him is 496 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: because I commend The Rock for taking this role, for 497 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: wanting to show people a different side of him, because 498 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: he sees the criticism and you know it. I think 499 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: this movie is a direct response to people saying he 500 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: plays the same character over and over that you could 501 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: take one still from any Rock movie and you couldn't 502 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: really tell the difference between. I think even somebody in 503 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: an interview for The Smashing Machine called him out on that, 504 00:23:58,840 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: and he was actually able to do it. 505 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: But he sees all that noise, and you think. 506 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: Celebrities aren't reading all the dms, aren't seeing all the reviews. 507 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: I feel like The Rock, maybe to his own detriment, 508 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: is too consumed with that. And much like Mark Kerr, 509 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: the Rock is somebody who does not like losing. And 510 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: those were the parallels I saw between these two characters. 511 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: Mark Kerr only knows one thing. He only knows to win. 512 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: If you even put the idea of losing in his head, 513 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: he can't comprehend that that word does not enter his mind. 514 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: I think that is exactly how The Rock is, where 515 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: any movie that comes out, if it is not number 516 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: one at the box office, he sees it as a failure. 517 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: He will immediately go to x or go to Twitter 518 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,239 Speaker 1: and try to find the win in that. He did 519 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: it with Black Adam, he did it with red Wood. 520 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: He'll do it with every single movie. And this was 521 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: the first time I really saw him come across as defeated. 522 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: In his Instagram post saying that he believes in this 523 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: film even though the box office numbers don't represent that. 524 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: He did and try to say, well, the audience score 525 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: is so good because it does have a good audience 526 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: and a good Rotten Tomato score, even though I don't 527 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: mention that side on this podcast for different reasons. But 528 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: the reason I am defending him is that I hope 529 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: that this doesn't stop him from being more adventurous in 530 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: the roles that he chooses. He talked about it even 531 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: before the movie came out, saying he has people in 532 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: his life that he listens to that he respects their opinion. 533 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: He needs them in his life in order to tell 534 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: him when he is doing something that maybe isn't the best, 535 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: but ultimately it is going to be his decision because 536 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: the people. 537 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 2: Around him don't like change. 538 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: They want him to still make the movies that are 539 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: making him and in turn making them money. And the 540 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: minute you start to shake that up a little bit 541 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: and certain people aren't getting the percentages that they want, 542 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: they're suddenly bringing you all these other scripts for like 543 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: Jumandi six, seven and eight. Here's another Kevin Hart project. 544 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: Here you go make us some money. Because the Rock 545 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: is now a brand. He is a corporation, He is 546 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: an entity. He is more than just an actor on 547 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: his journey trying to find the best role. 548 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: He is a brand. 549 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: And that is why historically he has a no lose 550 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: clause in some of his contracts, which all originated from 551 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: the Fast and the Furious movies, that no Lose clause 552 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: says that he can't lose a fight in a movie. 553 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: And that is what I struggled with the most, because 554 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: if you can't lose a fight in a movie, that 555 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: really limits your character. 556 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: Because if you can't see a character at their. 557 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: Worst, you're not going to enjoy them at their best. 558 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: If you don't see them beat down and bloody and 559 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: where it looks like they're never going to win another 560 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: fight in their life, that they're done, if you can't 561 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: see them come back from that, you're never really going 562 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: to root for that character. And in the Fast franchise, 563 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: him and Vin Diesel both had that in their contracts, 564 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: down to the amount of punches and damage that each 565 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: of their characters could take on. It really hasn't been 566 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: proven that he has that clause in all of his movies, 567 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: but if you watch Black Adam, it kind of feels 568 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: it was like he has that, and I think it 569 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: probably comes from his background in wrestling, where you can 570 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: control the narrative. You know who is going to win, 571 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: who is going to lose, you know the arc of 572 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: your character, and it all comes down to him protecting 573 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: that brand because there is so much money attached to it, 574 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: of him being a tough guy, of him being a hero, 575 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: and this was the first time where I feel like 576 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: that wasn't a part of his contract. Aside from the 577 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: performances in this movie, I really enjoyed the way this 578 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: movie looked. I believe they shot a majority of this 579 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: film on a really small sixteen millimeter film camera. I 580 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: think it was called like an Ara flex where it 581 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: was hand held, which to me helped capture that raw, 582 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: authentic feel. There were moments of the smashing machine that 583 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: almost felt like home video style footage. They had this 584 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: grainy and blown out look that I really enjoyed. And 585 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: then they also filmed some other scenes with some really 586 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: big Imax cameras, but still at times where hand holding 587 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: those Imax cameras. I think it has the only ever 588 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: handheld zoom shot where they actually held big camera and 589 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: walked with it in their hands. So the way this 590 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: movie was filmed really gave it that sense of urgency, 591 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: that shakiness, that rawness that you feel from the world 592 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: of fighting, which the fight scenes were probably the best 593 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: part out of this entire movie again because of the 594 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: rocks background in wrestling. Those all felt really authentic. But 595 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: I only wish that there was more of that, because, 596 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: like I was mentioning earlier, the entire story was just 597 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: scattered around. Here's some fighting scenes, here's just him and 598 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Here's just him with his struggles and addiction 599 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: in his pain, and then here's him in Japan. It's 600 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: a little bit all over the place for the two 601 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: hour runtime that by the end of it, in that 602 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: third act, I was just left feeling a little bit unsatisfied. 603 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: It goes out on kind of a whimper and really 604 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: erases the impact of this story by the end of it, 605 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: still found the movie enjoyable. I still think it is 606 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: one of the more noteworthy movies of the year and 607 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: can't wait to see where it shakes out in the 608 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: oscar race for the Smashing Machine. 609 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: I give it four out of five blows to the head. 610 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: It's time to head down to movie mics. 611 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 1: Traylar paul Zutopia is low key a top three Disney 612 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: movie from the twenty tens. I remember the way this 613 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: movie packs such an emotional punch, and rarely does a 614 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: Disney movie do this now, but back in twenty sixteen, 615 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: this was still happening. I have a visceral reaction to 616 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: a specific scene in Zutopia, one that has stayed with me. 617 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: I really feel like this was a movie I actually 618 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: learned a lesson from, and I think we could all 619 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: learn a lesson from. 620 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: And I think that is what Disney movies are supposed 621 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: to do. 622 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: At the core of what makes a good Disney story, 623 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: it is what they did from the beginning of time. 624 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: They were stories with a moral, often rooted in fairy tales, 625 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: and fairy tales always have a story of good and evil, 626 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: and there's always a moral that lies within that story. 627 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: Zootopia in twenty sixteen was so progressive in telling a 628 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: story in an unlikely friendship and work relationship between a 629 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: slide fox and a dumb buddy. It took a family 630 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: friendly comedy with a bunch of cute animals and made 631 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: a story that spoke on prejudice and systemic bias, fear 632 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: being used as a political tool, breaking stereotypes, being self aware, 633 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: diversity and inclusion, and using your differences as the strength. 634 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: And it did it in a way that wasn't preaching 635 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: to the viewer. That was just teaching kids about some 636 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: things that get embedded to us without us really realizing it. 637 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: And it did it in a way that me watching 638 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: this movie in twenty sixteen at twenty five years old 639 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: was a lesson I didn't know I needed to learn 640 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: and maybe simplify in such a way of a buddy 641 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: working with a fox that are in nature mortal enemies. 642 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: The fox is always going to want to kill and 643 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: eat that bunny, but here they are trying to work 644 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: together and seeing them achieve this level of friendship where 645 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: it is greatly rooted in trust that one of them 646 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: is not going to flip out on the other, and 647 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: seeing that trust broken. It was this one scene, specifically 648 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: in the third act, that I'll play for you now 649 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: whenever Jason Bateman's character the fox Nick realizes that Judy 650 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: Hops might still be afraid of them. 651 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 7: What do you mean, clearly there's a biological component these 652 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 7: predators maybe reverting back to their primitive savage ways. Are 653 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 7: you serious? 654 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: I just stated the facts of the case. I mean, 655 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 2: it's not like a bunny could go savage, right, but 656 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: a fox could. Huh next, stop it? You're not like them? Oh, 657 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: there's them. Now, Judy, just with that line, you're not 658 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: like them. 659 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: That line sets so much to me because Judy was 660 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: fearful of being seen as a dumb so she wanted 661 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: to do her job so well that it was undeniable 662 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: that she got things right. And she looked at the facts, 663 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: and with her being obsessed to what this situation looked 664 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: like on paper, she forgot about her friend and Inn 665 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: the moment that followed after that, You're not. 666 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,719 Speaker 7: That kind of predator, the kind that needs to be muscled, 667 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 7: the kind that makes you think you need to carry 668 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 7: around fox repellent. Let me ask you a question. Are 669 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 7: you afraid of me? Do you think I might go not? 670 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 7: I think I might go savage? You think I might 671 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 7: try to eat you? I knew it just when I 672 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 7: thought somebody actually believed in me. Huh, probably best if 673 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 7: you don't have a predator as a partner. 674 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: It was the reach she said so much in that reach, 675 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: going for her weapon, in this case some spray. But 676 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,719 Speaker 1: that was such a powerful scene. Jason Bateman's character has 677 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: so much trauma over what happened to him as a kid, 678 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: him referring to the muzzle there. 679 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: So I only hope going from Zutopia one to Zutopia 680 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 2: two that we maintain. 681 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: That level of having a sophisticated, family friendly animated movie, 682 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: and I think they can do that, And judging by 683 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: the plot of this next movie, I think we are 684 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: going to explore that even more because what happens in 685 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: Zutopia too. They are investigating the mystery of a venomous 686 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: pit viper, which snakes are not supposed to be a 687 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: part of their community. Why because they've been told their 688 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: entire lives that snakes are bad. So as they go 689 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: to capture him, they realize there actually might be more 690 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: to the snake and maybe they have been wrong. But 691 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: with them protecting and defending the snake trying to get 692 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: the real story, obviously other people are not going to 693 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: want to agree with them because they don't want to 694 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: hear any logic. They just know snake bad. We get 695 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 1: rid of snake. But by trying to unravel the mystery 696 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: behind this snake, they are also putting their own reputation 697 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: on the line and also become an enemy in protecting 698 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: the enemy. But this movie will also dive into the 699 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: lives of some of the other animals in Zoutopia and 700 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: have been pushed out to the outskirts that are underappreciated 701 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: because of who they are and where they come from. 702 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: So I feel good right now going from Zutopia one 703 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: to Zutopia two. But before we get into more, here's 704 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: just a little bit of the trailer. 705 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 7: No snake has set foot in Utopia. 706 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: In Forever Snakes, I'm the bad guys. 707 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: I have to set things right, and when I do, 708 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: my family will finally be able to come home. 709 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 7: WHOA, Pops and Whiles dream team on the Games help them. 710 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: I would like to call a partner meeting. 711 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 4: I watched A Fox and that Rabbit. 712 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 3: Do you know how many mayors they've already destroyed? 713 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 7: Two? 714 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: I got up to two. 715 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: What stick out to me, aside from the story in 716 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: the trailer of Zutopia two is the movie looks so 717 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: much better. The animal looks fantastic. It feels like this 718 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: story is going to be bigger. Also still focusing on 719 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: the themes of unity, diversity, inclusion, and showing how understanding 720 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: and collaboration is the key to building a better future, 721 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: which I think is something we can all probably learn 722 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: from right now. I have always been a big fan 723 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: of movies that can teach kids complex ideas and put 724 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: them in a way that they can understand. Why do 725 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: I love that so much is because when I was 726 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: a kid, I learned so much from movies, ideas and 727 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: things that my parents could not teach me. I learned 728 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: about life. I learned about death, I learned about hate, 729 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: I learned about love. I've learned about good and evil 730 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: by watching a lot of Disney movies in my childhood. 731 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 1: The first time I ever had any experience with death 732 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: was seeing Mufosa fall by the hands of Scar and 733 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: me realizing that. 734 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 2: Mufasa was not going to wake up. 735 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: Now, Disney traumatize this all with Simba trying to wake 736 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: up his dad and balling his eyes out and then 737 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: immediately having to rush and be banished from Pride Rock, 738 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: which is a wild thing to do. But looking back, 739 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: I am so glad I experienced that sadness so early 740 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: on because that was very formative in me learning about life. 741 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: And I think to make great art, to make movies 742 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: that make an impact, you have to include things that 743 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: sometimes might be a little bit uncomfortable, which if you 744 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: want to look at the great animated movies and the 745 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: ones that just come out, you go see in theaters, 746 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: you have some popcorn, you go watch it and that's it. 747 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: And the movies that really change your life and become 748 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: a part of your DNA, you have to dive into 749 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: some of these things. And I think that is the 750 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: power of animation, just the power of filmmaking in general, 751 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 1: of creating stories that resonate with you, that teach you something, 752 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: because I think sometimes when we think about the family film, 753 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 1: we just want something like The Minions, which is fun 754 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 1: that has its place, dumb, ridiculous humor that you don't 755 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: have to think about. I think those movies are totally fine. 756 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of those, not hting on the Minions here. 757 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: I'm actually a big fan of The Minions and all 758 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: the Despicable Me movies. You have the Minions of the World, 759 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: you have the Shreks of the worlds, but then you 760 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: have movies with a little bit more substance that can 761 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: still be fun, which Utopia one still has a lot 762 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: of fun moments. 763 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 2: I think the. 764 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: Sloth character at the DMV is probably one of the 765 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: funniest characters that they have created, not only in the 766 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: twenty tens themselves, but probably since so I'm hoping they 767 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: still have that fun, which I do get the sense 768 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: of from this trailer. But I think what made Zutopia 769 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: a noteworthy movie of the twenty tens was the message 770 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: that it had, and I believe it did it in 771 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 1: a way that wasn't preaching to the audience, that wasn't 772 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: too complex for kids to understand. It just boiled it 773 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: down showing you two characters who shouldn't be friends have 774 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: to team up in a buddy cop style Disney movie 775 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: and then learn so much about their differences. And if 776 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: I was a kid now, this is a type of 777 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,959 Speaker 1: movie I would want to be exposed to and would 778 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: be glad that they were making. And I think as 779 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: a whole, as movie fans, we are craving stories with substance. 780 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: Those are the movies that are really setting themselves apart. 781 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: I think that is the difference between a box office 782 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: success and a box office flop. You need a story 783 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: that you can really sink your teeth into. And of 784 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: the Disney movies that have flopped so far, so hard 785 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenties, it has been those movies that 786 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: have had nothing to say that sink to the bottom. 787 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: But I'm now so excited for this movie Zutopia two, 788 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: comes out this year on November twenty sixth. Even if 789 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm one of the only adults in the theater without kids, 790 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go see this movie. 791 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 2: Ad That was this link's edition of movie line Tramer. 792 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: Bar and that is going to do it for another 793 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: episode here of the podcast. Before I go, I gotta 794 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: give my listeners shout out of the week This week, 795 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm going over to TikTok one of the best user 796 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: names I've ever seen on TikTok. 797 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 2: Do turtles have butt cheeks? Rights? 798 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: Who commented on a video I posted of Kelsey and 799 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: I talking about whether or not teachers were maybe a 800 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: little bit hungover or just had a rough night the 801 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: night before we all went into school and had an 802 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: unexpected movie day. 803 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 2: But do turtles have butt cheeks? 804 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: Wrote I saw more movies in high school than any 805 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: other time as an elder millennial. The movies we saw 806 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 1: a lot were Twister and Ace Ventura. I love both 807 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: of those movies, but I never watched those in high school. 808 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: I guess when I was in high school was in 809 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: the mid to late two thousands, and here I thought 810 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: I was an elder millennial. I associate all of the 811 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: early two thousands of Disney movies with be a movie 812 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: day movies. I would have loved to have seen Twister 813 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: and Acepinterra as movie day movies. But thank you do 814 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: turtles have butt cheeks for that comment for watching over 815 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: there on TikTok, which I did have to google. And 816 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know why I had to 817 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: google this. I could have assumed, but they in fact 818 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: do not have butt cheeks, So what a bold user name. 819 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that. 820 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: Thank you right now for listening, and until next time, 821 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: go out and watch good movies and I will talk 822 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,959 Speaker 1: to you later.