WEBVTT - S1: Ep 3 - Mother

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa was always traveling, flying here, flying there. I

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<v Speaker 1>tend to think of her as living a spart in life,

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<v Speaker 1>but of course she took planes like anyone else. Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson remembers us one time in particular, the two of

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<v Speaker 1>them flew from Rome to Sweden. Mary was Mother's traveling

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<v Speaker 1>companion and assistant for the trip. We were going there

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<v Speaker 1>for an ecumenical conference where mother was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>honored and was going to give a talk. They boarded

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<v Speaker 1>the plane in their blue and white saris. Mary also

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<v Speaker 1>packed two heavy boxes of miraculous medals, these small religious

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<v Speaker 1>tokens that Mother Teresa would kiss and hand out to people.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary and Mother Teresa settled into their seats in first class.

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<v Speaker 1>They booked economy, but Mary says airlines always upgraded their tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>They're trying to avoid all the commotion that would happen

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<v Speaker 1>if people knew Mother Teresa was on the plane. Mary says,

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa pulled on the sleeve of one of the

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<v Speaker 1>flight attendants and said, all that extra food you know

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<v Speaker 1>that people aren't eating, that you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>throw away anyway, Could you give it to me and

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<v Speaker 1>I will use it for the poor. The flight attendant

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<v Speaker 1>looked hesitant, awkward. She explained they had to throw the

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<v Speaker 1>food waste away. It was against the rules to keep it.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, oh no, just tell them Mother Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>needs it for the poor. They won't make any fuss

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<v Speaker 1>for you. And anyway, long story short, Eventually she went

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<v Speaker 1>around with a big black trash bag, collecting things from people,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course that's how people came to know that

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa was on the plane. And then they all

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<v Speaker 1>started to come, one by one and standing next and

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<v Speaker 1>Mother would sign things for them and kiss the metal

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<v Speaker 1>and give it to them and pray with them and

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<v Speaker 1>all the rest of it. And when we finally landed

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<v Speaker 1>in Stockholm and we got out of the plane and

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<v Speaker 1>there was the Catholic bishop and the Lutheran big shot

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<v Speaker 1>guy whoever he was in the Salvation Army general, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were all waiting for us there, and his mother

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<v Speaker 1>Theresa met them. The flight attendant came out with these

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<v Speaker 1>two huge trash bags full of sugar packets and ketchup

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<v Speaker 1>packets and salt packets and little candy bars and whatever

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<v Speaker 1>else you can have, these these big trash bags. And

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa saw it and she turns to the Salvation

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<v Speaker 1>Army general, and she says, you work with the poor,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you? And she gives him the two trash bags

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<v Speaker 1>full of all of these little things from the airplane.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't have any idea what he did with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Hearing this story made me wonder about Mother Trees at

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<v Speaker 1>the Person. The woman who loved to hand out miraculous

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<v Speaker 1>metals so much she ran out. The woman who do

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<v Speaker 1>anything to save a few scraps of food, who was

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<v Speaker 1>tough enough to lead a worldwide organization until months before

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<v Speaker 1>she died at seven. The woman who wrote she knew

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning she was setting herself up for misery,

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<v Speaker 1>all in service to the poor. I wanted to know more.

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<v Speaker 1>She hadn't always been a living saint. She was young

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<v Speaker 1>once she had a whole interior life. How did Mother

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<v Speaker 1>Trees at the Person become Mother Trees at the Icon.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk with sister still in the order,

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<v Speaker 1>but finding current sisters who would speak with us was

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<v Speaker 1>not easy to do. Gosh, I'm nervous. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>in testing testing. Oh, my name is Erica Lance. If

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<v Speaker 1>you would be willing to chat with me for a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes, or if there's somebody else next. A couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times a sister would answer a few questions as

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<v Speaker 1>long as we didn't record. I totally understand. Oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>need permission from the mother House, she said she couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>give me. I'm not I'm not interested in becaming a

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<v Speaker 1>sister personally now. Also ended the conversation with God, bless sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>bless you. I can't remember which I was a really

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<v Speaker 1>quick no wow. I guess that's the way they say goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time they wouldn't talk. I'm getting this

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<v Speaker 1>sound that still ringing? All right? That time I got

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<v Speaker 1>the busy super Instead, they directed me to a regional house.

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<v Speaker 1>The regional houses would direct me to the Bronx House,

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<v Speaker 1>the main house in the US. Gosh, just imagine they're

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<v Speaker 1>in grand silence and this phone is ringing and long stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bronx House sent me to the Mother Teresa of

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<v Speaker 1>Calcutta Center, which has an amazing website. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>when you open it you hear music and Mother Teresa's

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<v Speaker 1>voice A and t Z. But they sent me to

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<v Speaker 1>the top the mother House in Calcutta and the Superior

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<v Speaker 1>General Sister Mary Prama Pieric. Sister Prama declined to speak

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<v Speaker 1>with me. In some respects, the refusal to be interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. Mother Teresa wasn't always very open with journalists.

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<v Speaker 1>She was careful about which writers and interviewers she talked to,

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<v Speaker 1>so her followers don't like to talk to journalists either.

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<v Speaker 1>The missionaries of charity are very protective of Mother Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>and the organization. Early on, I was warned by multiple people,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to talk to you, but some former

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<v Speaker 1>sisters would, sisters who knew Mother Teresa, who worked with

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<v Speaker 1>her directly, who have stories they haven't shared publicly before.

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<v Speaker 1>When I say mother Teresa, what comes to mind immediately

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<v Speaker 1>for you? Who she was? Because I know her, I

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<v Speaker 1>know her well from Rococo Punch and I Heeart Media.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the turning I Am America Lance Part three. Mother,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling I'm being much too open and um not

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<v Speaker 1>guarded enough in a sense for something public. That's my fear.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I do have some apprehension about the I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think Sister Kathleen Hughes worried she tell me something

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<v Speaker 1>horrible or some major piece of dirt. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>just that concerned that any imperfect detail could take away

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<v Speaker 1>from all the good Mother Trees that did. In general,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing I've noticed is that part of Mother Trees's

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<v Speaker 1>power is that she's as symbol. I think sometimes there's

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<v Speaker 1>a mindset that any blemish or misconstrule could take away

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<v Speaker 1>from that. And I mean think about it. As an MC,

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<v Speaker 1>you're essentially instructed not to talk much about your life

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<v Speaker 1>with the outside world, don't write about it in letters

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<v Speaker 1>to your family, don't discuss it with outsiders. So talking

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<v Speaker 1>to a journalist, I can see why that might feel

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<v Speaker 1>a little strange, even for X M. C. S. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't speak for Sister Kathleen, but it was clear she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't sure she wanted to talk. It was a definite

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<v Speaker 1>no from me, and I'm sure you felt that it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be a definite no. And and then

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<v Speaker 1>the Holy Spirit just I don't know how he did it.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, no, you're going to do it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, okay, let me introduce you to Sister Kathleen.

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<v Speaker 1>I was twenty nine years a missionary of charity with

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Trees of Calcutta. I was our first American sister too,

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<v Speaker 1>joined from the United States. Even though Sister Kathleen is

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<v Speaker 1>no longer, an MC Jesus is still her spouse. I've

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<v Speaker 1>lived the last seventeen years as a consecrated woman, a

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<v Speaker 1>consecrated virgin here in the Archdiocese of Boston. A consecrated

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<v Speaker 1>virgin is basically a woman declared sacred by the Catholic Church,

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<v Speaker 1>committed to a life of virginity as a bride of Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not a non per se, but Sister Kathleen attends

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<v Speaker 1>Mass daily and continues her mission work in the community.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very grateful to God for all my years in

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<v Speaker 1>whichever path He's led me. If I may say that

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<v Speaker 1>Sister Kathleen was drawn to join the m c S

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<v Speaker 1>the way a lot of women were by a British

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<v Speaker 1>documentary filmed the nineteen sixty nine and Kolkata, called Something

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful for God. When she was twenty years old. Sister

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<v Speaker 1>Kathleen wasn't a sister yet. She was a college student

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<v Speaker 1>in upstate New York at Syracuse University. She heard that

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<v Speaker 1>Something Beautiful for God was going to be screened there,

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<v Speaker 1>and when I arrived, somehow I mixed up the time

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<v Speaker 1>or was delayed, and I missed the film, and something

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<v Speaker 1>inside of me actually kind of gave a sigh of relief.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, it was just instinctive, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know the guy who was the projectionist, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, why didn't you sit down? It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just sit here and show it again just to you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I felt, oh, dear, I guess I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>see this. This film was a big deal because it

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<v Speaker 1>showed a lot of people who Mother Teresa was and

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<v Speaker 1>it inspired a lot of women to join her order,

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<v Speaker 1>including a number of the former sisters we spoke to.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to watch it, and I watched it

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<v Speaker 1>with Allen, who is a producer on the show and

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<v Speaker 1>also my sister. So basically, there was this guy, Malcolm

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<v Speaker 1>Muggridge who was a TV commentator and filmmaker, and he

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed Mother Teresa in London for TV and he honestly

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<v Speaker 1>thought the interview wasn't very good. I think it called

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<v Speaker 1>it barely usable. Yeah, but they aired it anyway and

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<v Speaker 1>it ended up getting this huge response. So he decided

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Calcutta to make an entire film about her,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's this film, something Beautiful for God. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting film to watch. You see all of the Indian

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<v Speaker 1>locals who are in difficult situations. They're sick or dying,

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<v Speaker 1>they have leprosy. I doubt the film crew asked their

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<v Speaker 1>permission to film them. They don't talk with them directly,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't feature interviews with them. It's like Muggerage is

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<v Speaker 1>interested in what Mother Teresa is doing, but not so

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<v Speaker 1>much in the people she's doing it for. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>basically what happens is Mother Teresa shows Muggerage around and

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<v Speaker 1>at one point she comes up to these cribs of

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<v Speaker 1>babies just crammed in these cribs like sardines, and she

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<v Speaker 1>picks a baby up that's really a tiny baby, and

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<v Speaker 1>she kind of holds it out for the camera and

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<v Speaker 1>strokes the baby's head, and the baby looks very sick.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see if you are watching this and you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to help people in the world, it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>these people need help. They're right in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>And that becomes even more clear when they go to

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<v Speaker 1>the Home for the Dying, where there are just rows

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<v Speaker 1>of cots of very thin, sick looking people, their hair

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<v Speaker 1>cut short, and Mother Teresa tells Mugridge that they've cared

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<v Speaker 1>for over two people there that half of them have died,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mugridge asked this question. He basically says that some

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<v Speaker 1>people might say, why keep these people alive at all?

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<v Speaker 1>And Mother Teresa says that she wants to show them

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<v Speaker 1>love before they die, and she quotes someone she says,

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<v Speaker 1>they live like animals, but now they die like angels.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they die like angels. Sister Kathleen watched all of

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<v Speaker 1>this alone and the auditorium and upstate New York. In

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three she joined the Missionaries of Charity, and she

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<v Speaker 1>remembers the first time she met Mother Teresa. Somebody said

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<v Speaker 1>Mother's here, and when I saw her, something struck me.

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<v Speaker 1>I I felt like I fell back a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a force, a power, a presence that moved

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<v Speaker 1>me somehow, and she said, come, come, and that's how

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<v Speaker 1>I met her. In the early nineteen seventies, Mother Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>was just at the start of her rise to fame,

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<v Speaker 1>but over the coming years she'd become an international figure,

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<v Speaker 1>meeting with the likes of Kofe and Nan, Nancy and

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald Reagan, Queen Elizabeth the Dalai Lama. There were critiques

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<v Speaker 1>of Mother Teresa to be sure and we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>those but in the public eye she was a living saint.

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<v Speaker 1>She could look right through you. She would look right

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<v Speaker 1>into your soul, into the depths of your soul. I

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<v Speaker 1>loved her. She she was. I mean, people say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>she's just human and all of that. Yes she was,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was a little bit above humanity. Joan Worcester

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<v Speaker 1>was a sister with the Missionaries of Charity in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties, and she said the same type of thing

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<v Speaker 1>about Mother Teresa. And when you talk to her, you

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<v Speaker 1>could held that because when she talked to you, she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't looking at you like we look at each other

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking. She almost looked through you, almost, Jones says,

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<v Speaker 1>like she could see into your soul. But what was

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<v Speaker 1>in hers? It surprises me sometimes how much isn't known

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<v Speaker 1>about Mother Teresa's life. The information we do have is

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<v Speaker 1>often clouded with an accuracy, is repeated over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's what we do know. Mother Teresa was born

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<v Speaker 1>in in an Albanian family in the city of Scorpia,

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<v Speaker 1>now part of North Macedonia. Back then, her name was

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<v Speaker 1>Anya Gonju. We think of Mother Teresa as this impoverished figure,

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<v Speaker 1>but her family was pretty well off When she was young,

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<v Speaker 1>her father was sort of a celebrity in their town.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a member of the town council, a businessman,

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<v Speaker 1>and an activist. But when she was around nine years old,

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<v Speaker 1>her father died. He may have been murdered because of

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<v Speaker 1>his political activism. A few months after that, seven more

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<v Speaker 1>close relatives died. It was the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've gotten the Spanish flu years later, when she

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<v Speaker 1>was famous mother, Teresa wouldn't publicly talk about her childhood much,

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<v Speaker 1>but it seems her Catholic family became even more religious

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<v Speaker 1>after her father's death and the loss of her other

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<v Speaker 1>family members. As she told malcol Muggridge, she felt the

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<v Speaker 1>religious call when she was just twelve years old and

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<v Speaker 1>since then this four pears, I've never dealted even for

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<v Speaker 1>a second that I've done the right thing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the real of good. That was his choice, and that

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<v Speaker 1>has given you complete serenity in peace and happiness, the

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<v Speaker 1>happiness that no one can take from them and has

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<v Speaker 1>never been a doubt or unhappiness. When she was eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>she joined the Loretto Sisters, a Roman Catholic order in

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<v Speaker 1>Ireland known for its schools and so Anya's became Sister

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Teresa. She chose the name Teresa after St. Terres,

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<v Speaker 1>a saint known for valuing simple acts of kindness. The

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<v Speaker 1>Loretto Sisters stationed Sister Teresa in Calcutta, India. The city

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<v Speaker 1>she becomes synonymous with. What happened was when Mother Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>was here. You know, she's so white, a vibrant city.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Shantony Chacobardi. He's a history professor at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Calcutta and an expert on contemporary Indian history.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen twenties and thirties, when Mother Teresa arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>India was under British rule. Of course, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of colonial exploitation. Indian industrialization was hampul to a

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<v Speaker 1>large extent. But you know, Colonia connection also linked up

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<v Speaker 1>India globally. People are moving to Calcatta from all over.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a Buddhist revivalist movement, and in the thirties

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<v Speaker 1>it was an epicenter to the country's film industry. All

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<v Speaker 1>the major movie studios were located here. With the Loretto Sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa taught at a school for girls and later

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<v Speaker 1>became headmistress. In seven she took her final vows and

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<v Speaker 1>following Loretto custom, became mother. She was no longer Sister Teresa.

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<v Speaker 1>She was now Mother Teresa. Then came September. Mother Teresa's

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six years old. She's on a train to a

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<v Speaker 1>retreat in the foothills of the Himalayas, and she hears

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<v Speaker 1>a voice. The voice, as she called it, it was

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<v Speaker 1>very clear and distinct. That's Father Brian Colladay Chuck. He's

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<v Speaker 1>an MC priest and Superior General of the MC Fathers.

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<v Speaker 1>The one person from the Missionaries of Charity who agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to record an interview. He edited the book on Mother

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa's divine calling, compiled her personal letters, and studied her spirituality.

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<v Speaker 1>Father Brian says Mother Teresa knew that the voice was Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Jesus told her to follow a new calling.

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<v Speaker 1>He said to quote, give up all and follow him

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<v Speaker 1>to the slums to serve him in the poorest of

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<v Speaker 1>the poor. In a letter, Mother Teresa writes that Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>told her, quote, little one, give me souls, Give me

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<v Speaker 1>the souls of the poor, little street children. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I want Indian missionary sisters of Charity who would be

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<v Speaker 1>my fire of love amongst the very poor. The sisters

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<v Speaker 1>that would offer their lives as victims of my love.

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<v Speaker 1>Would bring these souls to me. Jesus will say, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of the poor, they don't know me, so they don't

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<v Speaker 1>want me. You go and be my life. Her call

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<v Speaker 1>came at a pivotal time and cut his history. August

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen to nineteen ninety six is known as the Great

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<v Speaker 1>Calcutta Killing in India. Mother Teresa was there. Here's Shantony

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<v Speaker 1>Chaco party again. In ninety six, you had severe communal

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<v Speaker 1>rats in the cities between Hindus and Muslims, as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of which, you know, you had dead bodies festering

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<v Speaker 1>in the drains for five to ten days, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people, you know, killed or named for life. Somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>between five and ten thousand people died. This all happened

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<v Speaker 1>just a month before Mother Teresa heard that voice on

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<v Speaker 1>the train. Then, in ninety seven, India gained independence from

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<v Speaker 1>Britain from the country was partitioned into India and Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 1>Violence broke out near the border with what is now Bangladesh.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen million people were displaced from their homes. Refugees flocked

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<v Speaker 1>to Calcutta, and the first thing which must have struck

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<v Speaker 1>her was the huge number of people simply living on

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<v Speaker 1>the streets, and she started catering to them, and erhaps

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<v Speaker 1>to this strained them to her sense of mission. After

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa's calling on the train, she experienced visions for months.

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<v Speaker 1>Father Brian writes that during this time she enjoyed an

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<v Speaker 1>intense degree of union with our Lord. He likens it

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<v Speaker 1>to a kind of spiritual ecstasy. Mother Teresa wrote, I

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<v Speaker 1>have been longing to be all for Jesus, to identify

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<v Speaker 1>myself with Indian girls completely, and so love him as

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<v Speaker 1>he has never been loved before. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of my many mad desires. She tells her confessor

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<v Speaker 1>what Jesus said. Eventually she tells the archbishop too. She

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<v Speaker 1>wants to start a new congregation of religious sisters, as

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus instructed, but she's rebuffed. They want her to slow down.

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<v Speaker 1>They need prayer and reflection and time to see if

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<v Speaker 1>her call is true. At one point to even say

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<v Speaker 1>she's not allowed to think about it anymore. Mother Teresa obeys,

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<v Speaker 1>but when they opened the door, she goes full force,

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<v Speaker 1>writing letter after letter she needs to obey Jesus's call

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<v Speaker 1>to Finally, after two years it pays off, the Pope

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<v Speaker 1>grants her permission to form a new congregation. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa officially founds the Missionaries of Charity under the

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<v Speaker 1>Archdiocese of Calkatta. By the way, what she created was

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<v Speaker 1>technically a religious institute, not a religious order, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>not actually nuns. They're religious sisters. Nuns live contemplative lives,

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<v Speaker 1>while religious sisters are active out in the world, but

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<v Speaker 1>these terms are used interchangeably all the time, and even

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<v Speaker 1>former MC sisters will call themselves nuns. The Missionaries of

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<v Speaker 1>Charity started with just twelve sisters. At first, Mother Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>planned they live off of just rice and salt, but

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<v Speaker 1>she was advised that's not enough to survive on. They

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<v Speaker 1>weren't dan. Sorry is their habit? Mother Teresa said, Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>told her to quote dressed in simple Indian clothes, or

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<v Speaker 1>rather like my mother, dressed simple and poor. So Mother

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa chose as sorry that resembled with women who swept

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<v Speaker 1>the street. Would wear the blue stripes and the border

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<v Speaker 1>would represent the Virgin Mary and purity, and their mission

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<v Speaker 1>would be to serve the poor. But not quite how

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<v Speaker 1>most people understand it. I think Mother Teresa often said

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<v Speaker 1>that the m c s were not social workers because

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<v Speaker 1>for her, helping the poor was not an end in itself.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the means of expressing love for God. It

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<v Speaker 1>was all for God. Let me explain, and em C

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<v Speaker 1>houses around the world you'll find painted in big letters

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<v Speaker 1>the words I thirst. It comes from the Bible, the

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<v Speaker 1>Gospel of John, when Jesus is dying on the cross

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<v Speaker 1>and says I thirst. Mother Teresa interpreted his words metaphorically.

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<v Speaker 1>She said he thirsted not for water, but for love,

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<v Speaker 1>for sacrifice. She believed the m C mission was to

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<v Speaker 1>sayciate that thirst, and the way to do it was

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<v Speaker 1>to quote love, suffer and save souls. Here's Mother Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>addressing a group of sisters before they take their vows.

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<v Speaker 1>We are fully consecrated to Jesus to serve the poorest

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<v Speaker 1>of the poor. And by so doing, to say she

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<v Speaker 1>it is dust, the dust of Jesus on the cross

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<v Speaker 1>for love for souls. By working at the salvation and

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<v Speaker 1>sanctification to the poorest of the poor. In short, love

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<v Speaker 1>the poor like you love Jesus and bring souls to him,

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<v Speaker 1>or you could say conversion. Mother Teresa knew this would

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<v Speaker 1>be hard. Father Brian says, she signed up for suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>Your vocation is to love and suffer and save souls.

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<v Speaker 1>To love, suffer and save and save souls. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>because as she would say, thirst quench, say ship Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>first for love and souls. And Mother Teresa did just that,

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<v Speaker 1>even when her suffering became great and she did suffer.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how she put it in her letters and

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<v Speaker 1>the work. There will be complete surrender of all I

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<v Speaker 1>have and all I am. There will be nothing absolutely left.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of us have secrets, parts of ourselves we try

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<v Speaker 1>to hide, and Mother Teresa wasn't any different. She labored

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<v Speaker 1>with a deep darkness, a spiritual darkness, but none of

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<v Speaker 1>the sisters in the congregation knew. She kept it to herself.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never bult it even for a second, that I've

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<v Speaker 1>done the right. Think it was the really good. That

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<v Speaker 1>was his choice, and that has given you complete serenity

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<v Speaker 1>and peace and happiness, that happiness that no one can

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<v Speaker 1>think from me. It has never been a doubt or unhappiness. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In reality, almost immediately after she formed the m c S,

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<v Speaker 1>the foundation of her life cracked. That Jesus, who had

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<v Speaker 1>been speaking to her calling her, he went silent. She

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't feel God's presence anymore. Instead, prayer felt dry. She wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>there are such terrible darkness within me, as if everything

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<v Speaker 1>was dead, and it would stay that way the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of her life. Almost fifty years. Mother Teresa's darkness was profound.

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<v Speaker 1>She only told a handful of people about it, her

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<v Speaker 1>confessors and the Archbishop. She wrote early on, to him

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<v Speaker 1>your grace, there's so much contradiction in my soul, such

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<v Speaker 1>deep longing for God, so deep that it is painful,

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<v Speaker 1>a suffering, continual no faith, no love, no zeal. Souls

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<v Speaker 1>hold no attraction. Heaven means nothing to me. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like an empty place. But to the world she smiled.

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<v Speaker 1>By the nineteen seventies, Mother Teresa's Order was booming. They

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<v Speaker 1>expanded through most of South America, and after the success

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<v Speaker 1>of the documentary Something Beautiful for God, they just kept growing.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like mother trees. It was everywhere at once.

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<v Speaker 1>She received international awards. Em SE houses opened around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>including the US, with a continent in the Bronx. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>her unyielding schedule, she still spend time with sisters like Kathleen.

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<v Speaker 1>Sister Kathleen remembers what she calls the early days when

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa would visit the Bronx in the summer. She

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<v Speaker 1>would come and the first thing we would do was

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<v Speaker 1>pack the van and go on the picnic with her.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so much fun, Sister Kathleen remember is one

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<v Speaker 1>of these picnics, someone had donated a tin at chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>chip cookies homemade, which we never got. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the sisters knew I loved cookies. She used to call

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<v Speaker 1>me cookie Monster, even though we didn't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cookies around. But she brought this tin over to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and my eyes popped open and I showed great delight.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked over the front of the van and

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<v Speaker 1>I saw mother looking at me. Mother Teresa, and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt so embarrassed, and so I composed myself. And we

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<v Speaker 1>never saw those cookies during the picnic. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>on the way home. I was driving the van and

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa got the cookies and started breaking them up

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<v Speaker 1>and was reaching from behind me and putting them on

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<v Speaker 1>my lap so I could eat little pieces of cookies.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I got more than anybody else too.

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<v Speaker 1>She was so afraid I would be left out, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was her thoughtfulness. She had that mother instinct with

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<v Speaker 1>the sisters as well as the poor. Of course, Sister

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<v Speaker 1>Kathleen has lots of fond memories of Mother Teresa, like

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<v Speaker 1>one groggy morning when she and Mother arrived in Rome

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<v Speaker 1>after being up all night in an airport for a layover.

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<v Speaker 1>I was dead tired. I was ready to drop, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said to the sister in charge there, please let

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<v Speaker 1>Mother go to bed. Sister Kathleen insisted Mother gets some rest.

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<v Speaker 1>She hadn't had any sleep. Mother would not hear of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa was not going to bed, And I saw

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<v Speaker 1>her go in and sit down with these young postulants

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<v Speaker 1>that were joining, and her face became the face of

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<v Speaker 1>an eighteen year old with rosie cheeks, and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe it. She wanted to inspire them in her own

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<v Speaker 1>quiet way. And I went off to bed. After these

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.959
<v Speaker 1>touching moments with her sister, she'd be off. She received

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<v Speaker 1>more awards, including the Nobel Peace Prize. She opened a

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<v Speaker 1>contemplative branch resisters, another one for brothers. She added priests.

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<v Speaker 1>The congregation grew really exponentially for a congregation within a

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<v Speaker 1>founder's lifetime. But this growth meant Mother Teresa worked constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time she opened a new foundation, a new house

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<v Speaker 1>of sisters, she always had something to suffer. One time

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<v Speaker 1>she got up during the night to go to the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of the bathroom door, it was the staircase

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<v Speaker 1>to the basement, and she fell down the basement stairs

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>broke her arm. Another time she did something to her foot.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, every new foundation she had to suffer, she

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 1>had to make a sacrifice for it. It's mysterious, it's deadly,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's baffling medical science. Acquired immune deficiency syndrol. The

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<v Speaker 1>gay plague, as AIDS has been called, is the center

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<v Speaker 1>of a political storm, the moral majority claiming age is

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<v Speaker 1>God's punishment for the gay lifestyle. And Christmas Eve, Mother

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<v Speaker 1>Trees opened one of the first AIDS hospice centers in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. It was a fourteen bad guest house

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<v Speaker 1>in Greenwich Village to your aviator, sunglasses and a stony

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<v Speaker 1>expression to the press conference, all business more lou reed

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<v Speaker 1>than the Saint of the Gutters. Sister Kathleen was an

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<v Speaker 1>m C at the time. We would take the people

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<v Speaker 1>that really had no place else to go. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have televisions for them and all the amenities. It was

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<v Speaker 1>really bare bones. After New York they opened AIDS hospices

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<v Speaker 1>in other cities. That was a very controversial move. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of opposition from the neighbors, particularly in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would have meetings and they would present these hypotheses.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody up at the AIDS home blows their no

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<v Speaker 1>or bleeds into a Kleenex or something and drops it

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground, and then my dog grabs the Kleenex

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<v Speaker 1>and brings it to my house, are we all going

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<v Speaker 1>to be contaminated. They did not want us in their neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 1>but Mother was determined. Did you get a sense we're

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<v Speaker 1>any sisters scared when opening these AIDS homes so early on, No,

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<v Speaker 1>none of us would ever express that, because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>being in the army, you're prepared for war. In a sense.

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<v Speaker 1>We were always in a war of good against evil.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineties, Americans agreed Mother Teresa was the most

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<v Speaker 1>admired woman in the world in an annual gallop hole twice.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody in Rome knew who Mother Teresa was, and she

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<v Speaker 1>would be accosted every where. Mary Johnson says, Mother Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>drew huge crowds especially at professions. When new groups of

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<v Speaker 1>sisters professed their vows, people would would fill the church

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<v Speaker 1>every time, no matter how big it was, and on

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<v Speaker 1>the way from the church to the convent, we'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to form this kind of honor guard. The sisters surrounded

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa to hide er when they walked in public,

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<v Speaker 1>but the stories were a dead giveaway. Eventually they came

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<v Speaker 1>up with a new method using Vatican ushers. These are

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<v Speaker 1>big guys, and they would come and form like a

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<v Speaker 1>circle around Mother Teresa walking from the church to the convent,

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>just so that people wouldn't wouldn't crush or literally crushed

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<v Speaker 1>or wanting to touch her. Sister Kathleen says Mother Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>didn't enjoy the attention. Once we were in the airport

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<v Speaker 1>with her and a woman came up to her and said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa, I'm writing a book about you. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe you're here and I get to meet you. And

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa looked at her as as though she had

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<v Speaker 1>two heads, so puzzled looking, and she said to the woman,

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<v Speaker 1>have you nothing better to do? The last thing on

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa's mind with any notoriety publicity, she she found

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it a terrible burden. Actually, she hated to have her

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<v Speaker 1>picture taken. She just genuinely hated it. So she said,

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<v Speaker 1>I told the Lord for every photo, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>soul out of purgatory to go to heaven. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was the only reason that she would agree to get

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<v Speaker 1>her photo taken. And there are a lot of photos

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<v Speaker 1>taken in Mother Teresa. A gazillion Gazilian purgatory has to

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<v Speaker 1>be empty right close to it. At this point, people

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<v Speaker 1>already saw her as a saint. They're pretty sure she'd

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<v Speaker 1>be and I some day, and Mother Teresa saw the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility to one day. I remember so much. She had

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<v Speaker 1>all of us gathered around and she told us, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think all of you should hurry up and die.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what you should all hurry up and die,

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<v Speaker 1>because this pope is canonizing everybody WHOA completely WHOA. It

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<v Speaker 1>also didn't feel like her commanding us all to die. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be clear, But it confirmed to me something that

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<v Speaker 1>I had very long suspected that being named as saint

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<v Speaker 1>was something very significant in Mother Teresa's eyes. When I

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<v Speaker 1>think of looking at Mother's face, I remember it as

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<v Speaker 1>tired and in later years, like stretched, stretched with a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of full of gravity, of burden of labor. And

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<v Speaker 1>she asked Pope John Paul the Second, what am I

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<v Speaker 1>to do? I have all these invitations and at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time I have the responsibility for the congregation. And

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<v Speaker 1>he said, you give loving care to the people, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you give necessary attention to the sisters. Give necessary

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<v Speaker 1>care to the sisters, but loving care to all the people.

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<v Speaker 1>And she took this to mean that the Pope and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore God wanted her to limit her time with the

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<v Speaker 1>sisters to what was only essential, and to spend all

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of it accepting all of these invitations she

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<v Speaker 1>was getting to give speeches, to receive doctorates, to whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's not what she wanted. At the risk of

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<v Speaker 1>overstating it, Mother Teresa became a victim of her own success,

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 1>as she would put it, a willing victim of Jesus's love.

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<v Speaker 1>One expert told me Mother Teresa was used by individuals, institutions,

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 1>and countries for their own purposes. But he said Mother

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Teresa was shrewd. She had her own mission, and as

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 1>he put it, she used her users just as much.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the more unusual images of Mother Teresa was

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<v Speaker 1>filmed on a street in the Bronx. Mother Teresa and Diana,

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<v Speaker 1>Princess of Wales holding hands. Mother Teresa and her sary

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<v Speaker 1>and sandals. Princess Diana in a suit and heels. Mother

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa was very ill. She'd had three surgeries in the

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<v Speaker 1>previous year. Her recurring hard issues were getting worse. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the Associated Press, she had lundon kidney problems too.

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<v Speaker 1>In just a couple of months she would die. Princess

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<v Speaker 1>Diana visited because of Mother Teresa's poor condition. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the first time they met. Mary Johnson remembers she was

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<v Speaker 1>there in Rome a few years earlier. In for me,

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<v Speaker 1>Diana and Mother had so many things in common, it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was crazy. It does seem crazy, given how

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<v Speaker 1>differently they lived, the class difference alone, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>both icons in the nineteen eighties and nineties, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>symbols of love, promoting humanitarian causes and advocating for the downtrodden.

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<v Speaker 1>They both navigated old institutions, one the Catholic Church, the

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<v Speaker 1>other the British monarchy, both of them working within these

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<v Speaker 1>very closed systems, these very demanding traditional roles of one

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<v Speaker 1>sort or another, and both of them had internal suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>They tended to hide. Princess Diana once said public side

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<v Speaker 1>was a different obviously from the private side. Public side

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to pair and said touched and everything were

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 1>turned to go, and who I worried? We've forgotten? Sure

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>did they realized that the individual was crucifying herself inside.

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<v Speaker 1>On the day of Prince Sanna's first visit, Mary Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>woke up at her usual four or forty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Paparazzi were already crowded around the convent. That afternoon, Diana

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<v Speaker 1>arrived by limousine, and Mother told me, don't let anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else in the chapel, and just Mother and Diana for now,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, And so I kind of stood guard out there,

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 1>not letting anybody else in. Mother Teresa removed her worn

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>out sandals, and Diana took off her shoes too, and

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<v Speaker 1>Diana these beautiful black pumps, and these two shoes were

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<v Speaker 1>the only ones right outside the chapel. And you saw

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<v Speaker 1>their shoes and these two women inside brain and it

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<v Speaker 1>was beautiful. When Diana visited her again five years later

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bronx, other Teresa looked pale. After they both

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<v Speaker 1>waved to the crowd Lady Dyed bent over to say

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye to Mother Teresa with a hug and a kiss,

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<v Speaker 1>and then drove off. It was the last time they

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<v Speaker 1>would see each other. M hm hm. Princess Diana died

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<v Speaker 1>in a car crash six weeks later. Mother Teresa died

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<v Speaker 1>a week after that. She was seven. According to testimony,

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<v Speaker 1>on the day of her death, she lay in her

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<v Speaker 1>room at the mother House in Calcutta. Her breathing was labored,

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<v Speaker 1>she complained of back pain, and an hour and a

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<v Speaker 1>half before she died. M there is a power outage.

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<v Speaker 1>The lights went out in Calcutta. Mm hmmm. During her life,

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<v Speaker 1>Mother Teresa had her critics, harsh critiques behind her simple

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<v Speaker 1>message of love, they saw something else. I would say

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<v Speaker 1>that practically everything about Mother Teresa is a result of myth,

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