1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to move the sticks. DJ, Buck 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: back with you, Buck. What's going on, man? 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 2: Man? That's much DJ. Coming off a great weekend. You 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: love our weekends. 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 3: This time of year is funny because you look up, 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 3: we're already in the middle of jun You got Father's 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 3: Day coming up next weekend. Everyone is talking about off 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: season calendar and those things where we're in the midst 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: of it. And DJ, once you get to Father's Day, 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you blink, it's fourth of July. 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: And after that is downhill. The season is going. 13 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: It is amazing how quickly we're almost at the point 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 3: of being right back to training camp. 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: Oh dude, it's right around the corner man, and talking 16 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: to buddies around the league. I always appreciate this time 17 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: of year because for those who don't know, once the 18 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: draft is over, it is like, you know, the personnel side, 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: being a teacher like you almost kind of like, Okay, 20 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: we got through finals. Now it's summer break. Even though 21 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: they've got these off season activities in a mini camp, 22 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: it's it's a different mindset. Everybody's happy everybody's joyful. Have 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: you talked to any of your friends in the league, Buck, 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: and they've said that they don't look awesome in the 25 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: O t as in mini camp. 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: Everybody does. 27 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: Everybodys undefeated. It's the same thing in the training camp. 28 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: Like the first week of training camp you go through like, oh, man, 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: I wait, look at this guy, look at that guy. 30 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Never had doubt this. 31 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: But but you know what, you know what the best 32 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: thing is. 33 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 3: God man, it's gonna be so many guys that that 34 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: are from our team, Like we're just so talented that 35 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: when we. 36 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Cut all the guys, all the guys are gonna play somewhere. 37 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's it's that sounding, man, so many guys 38 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: are gonna get picked up and claimed And it's not, 39 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 3: but it. 40 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: It is that. 41 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: And you know, the off season programs have changed so 42 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: much that you have some people who have their veterans 43 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: come in from toory minicamp. Other guys have them sit out. 44 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: And it's about the young players. You never know though 45 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: until you put the pads on. And even then, the 46 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: thing that I love about like training camp, these a 47 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: the moves that are made after that first preseason game. 48 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: Like it so we're gonna go undefeated. We might not 49 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: win a game. We might we really might not win 50 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: a game. 51 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: All the veterans are instantaneously signed immediately after that first week, Like, yeah, 52 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: we gave got a chance. 53 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: But by the way, have you talked to anybody. I 54 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: had a conversation with the GM of the day about this, 55 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: but about the you know, the new kickoff rules. We'll 56 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: keep an eye on that as we go through training camp. 57 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: A couple of conversations I had. Here's the interesting stuff 58 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: that I got. Number one is teams aren't gonna show 59 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: anything in the preseason games. They're gonna work on this stuff, 60 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, are they're gonna go over video, they're gonna 61 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 1: go over technique, and they're gonna do things in practice 62 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: and try and keep things hidden from the media, what 63 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: have you. What their strategy is going to be, and 64 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: how they're gonna, uh, you know, diversify their personnel on 65 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: that play. And then I was talking to a GM 66 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: and he was like, look, we're just gonna kick the 67 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: ball out of the end zone. They started the thirty 68 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: Like you know, all it takes is one of these 69 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: things to get popped and returned, and like, what are 70 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: we doing here this trust your defense, Let's just kick 71 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: it out of the back of the end zone. Give 72 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: them ball at the thirty. I was like, okay, I 73 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: mean I still got to brush up on all these 74 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: rules we got. We have our our officials thing that 75 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: they do for the network that it usually comes up 76 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: in July. But like, there was so much stuff going 77 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: on with the draft and getting ready for that, then 78 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: this rule dropped. Like I got to go back and 79 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 1: refresh myself on this whole thing. But I did find 80 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: it interesting that this guy was like all this talk 81 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: about it, like just kick it out of the back 82 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: of the end zone. 83 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it It's funny because I did get a 84 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: chance to see the Jags kind of practice it or whatever, 85 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: and without giving out tracing. 86 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: It's just a completely different look. 87 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: And the personnel that you put on there has to 88 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: be different, not only from a return standpoint, because with 89 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 3: the ball can go, the ball is going to be returned, 90 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: but who's going to be frontline blockers? 91 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: You also have. 92 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: The kicker has been neutralized in terms of like hanging 93 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: time is no longer an issue, direction kicking is no 94 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 3: longer necessarily rewarded, and I think I heard special teams. 95 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: Coaches talk about when you go and study the Xavil 96 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: who utilized this, a lot of times, the guy that 97 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: was making the tackles were the kicker, and so they're 98 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: experimenting with Like so for instance, Justin Reid for the 99 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: Kancity Chiefs might be their kickoff guy, so he can 100 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: just kind of pooch kick it. 101 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: You're add an extra tackler. 102 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 3: Add an extra tackler to the evaluation, I mean, to 103 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: the equation. 104 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: It is a it's interesting what I do like about it. 105 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: Potentially this could bring the returner back, and I mean, 106 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: what's a more exciting play than the return, Like, whether 107 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: it's our return or a kicker return. 108 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: Being able to see someone flip the field it should 109 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: give you value. 110 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 3: I just can't wait to see what it looks like officially, 111 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: so we can kind of put it together and start 112 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: looking at the different strategies that people are using. 113 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was something will keep an eye on as 114 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: we as we get through the summer and get closer 115 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: to the season and get out to some training camps. 116 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: Today on the show, we are going to focus on 117 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: a theme. We've done this with some of these off 118 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: season episodes, like to do that, and we're going to 119 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: look at the most consistent players, not only historically, but 120 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: some of the active guys here. Are going to look 121 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: at some different positions, some different statistics of guys that 122 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: who have who have been incredibly consistent. And if that's 123 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: you know, that's something we all strive for when you're 124 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: trying to find players. You want guys that are reliable, dependable, 125 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: and you know what you're going to get year in 126 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 1: and year out. So we'll try and find some traits 127 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: at some of these different positions that hey, okay, maybe 128 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: this is something that lends itself towards that not really 129 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: the roller coaster ride, but a more consistent player. So 130 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: we're going to do that. Have some fun going through 131 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: those different positions. But before we get to that, I 132 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: did want to get your thoughts on Jordan Love's comments 133 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: the other day talking about, you know, not having a 134 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: number one wide receiver puts more stress on a defense, 135 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: and maybe the better way to say that is if 136 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: your Jordan Love is, hey, I've have I have multiple ones, 137 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, instead of saying I don't have any number one, 138 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: it's just I have multiple ones. The production is gonna 139 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: be limited because I'm gonna spread it around to all 140 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: these guys. 141 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, So DJ was funny, and this goes all the 142 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 3: way back to when I was in Green Bay, and 143 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: it wasn't necessarily said in those terms, but I can 144 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 3: tell you that Mike Congren and Ron Wo, but particularly 145 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: Mike Hogrean believed that to flourish in the National Football League, 146 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: you don't need a number one wide receiver, as they've 147 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: referenced it. 148 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: You don't need a's on the perimeter. 149 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: You can win with b's and B plus's provided that 150 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: you have an A plus quarterback and you have a 151 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: system that creates opportunities for them. They arrogantly, and I 152 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: will say this like a Skoch Trump from ninners where 153 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 3: they won the games, They believe that the system created 154 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: the player more so than the player created the system, 155 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: meaning system quarterback creates the wide out as opposed to 156 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: the wide out being a guy that makes and elevates 157 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: the quarterback. Fast forward to looking at all of the 158 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 3: disciples that came out of there. Andy Reid was a 159 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 3: disciple that came out of there. Andy Reid goes from 160 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 3: not being a play caller in Green Bay to being 161 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: the head coach with the Philadelphia Eagles goes to five 162 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: NFC Championship game with Donovan McNabb. They didn't have a 163 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: notable wide receiver there up until the time that he 164 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: really got too They didn't have a true number one. 165 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: But think about all the success that he had. You 166 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: could talk about Deshaun Jackson, but I don't know if 167 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: DeShawn Jackson was viewed as a pure number one. He 168 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: was a big play specialist. So Andy Reid had a 169 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: lot of success with that model. Didn't go to Kansas City. 170 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: He was able to do it. And before Tyreek Hill 171 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: became Tybreek Hill, people have to remember Tyreek Hill was 172 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: a fifth round pick who was a returner early that 173 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: when they made him a number one receiver, everyone in 174 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,559 Speaker 3: the league was like, hold up, this guy was really 175 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: big running back. Per se that they made that, and 176 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: then you think about, look, they lose Tybreek Hill after 177 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: he became an elite receiver. They go to back to 178 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: back Super Bowls and win without a dominant number one receiver, 179 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: even though Travis Kelsey is the anchor of the passing game, 180 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: there's some truth to that. I now talked to Doug Peterson, 181 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: and I remember Doug Peterson when he first took the 182 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: job and we were sitting in the office and he 183 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: talked about the offense being one where if the quarterback 184 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: is at a high level quarterback, you don't need a's. 185 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: You can get away with good, very good receivers, but 186 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: you don't need that elite receiver. You go to that 187 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two season, Trevor Lawrence plays well, they win 188 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: a playoff game over the Charges. They get to the 189 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: divisional round and they have Marvin Jones and Christian Kirk 190 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: and Evan Ingram Zay Jones know one that people would say, oh, 191 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: you could rubber stamp them as a number one. Last 192 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: year they tried to do it. They bring Calvin Ridley over, 193 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: who had I would say, the potential to be the 194 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: number one. They viewed maybe as the number one. It 195 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: didn't mess out. So now when I look at Jordan 196 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: Love's comments, there is some truth to that. If you 197 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: really believe in that system and you believe in the 198 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: quarterback that hey man, the guy that is most difficult 199 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: to defend is the quarterback that's willing to throw to 200 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: the open receiver, not the guy that is throwing to 201 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: the high level guy that you can load your defense 202 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: to and find a way to double and put a 203 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 3: rat on that area. 204 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: But if a guy is willing to throw to anybody any. 205 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: Time, it does put a different level of stress on 206 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: the defense because then you've got to play honest and 207 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: it's hard to do in the game when you're trying 208 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: to take something away. 209 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: No. 210 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: I was thinking about just in the last few years, 211 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: and we've touched on this in previous episodes. But when 212 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: you think about Green Bay, obviously the team we're talking 213 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: about here with their collection of whiteouts to have, well, 214 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: they had a true Alpha number one and DeVante Adams gone. 215 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: You look at Buffalo Digs gone. Now you look at 216 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: Kansas City, Tyreek Hill gone. You look at the Chargers 217 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: with Keenan Allen keen allis bona fide one in terms 218 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: of the production that he's put up catching one hundred 219 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: balls zillion times gone. So you've had more than one 220 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: team go with the Okay, you know, more is more, right, 221 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: More guys is going to be better for us in 222 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: the long run in terms of spreading out those resources. 223 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: Now Philadelphia has doubled down on their guys. They've paid, 224 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: They're paid their dudes and Cincinnati. You know TBD, they've 225 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: got big contracts coming up one where the other you 226 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: know with t Higgins Jamar Chase. We'll see how they 227 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: navigate around that. But it is an interesting way to 228 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: look at if you have, you know, a limited number 229 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: of dollars and you have that budget, would you rather 230 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: budget that on the on the star or would you 231 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: rather budget that and spread it out as you said, 232 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: and have a collection of bees. 233 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: So what I wondered about it, I think you have 234 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: to have an honest conversation on how good is your 235 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: quarterback because that ultimately determines if you can get away 236 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: with a strategy like that. You have to, in my mind, 237 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: having a level quarterback to be able to do this. 238 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 3: Going all the way back to Tom Brady and the Patriots, 239 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: because for so many years they won like that DJ 240 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: those early two thousands teams. I mean, they're doing it 241 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: with David Gibbons and David Patten and Troy Brown and 242 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: a lot of lesser known players on the perimeter. But 243 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: Tom Brady and those guys are winning super Bowls. When 244 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: they did have Randy Moss and Westbrolco catching a bunch 245 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: of passes, they went undefeated. They didn't win, they go 246 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: back to a Julian element and Danny mcdol those guys 247 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: win again. Some of that might be because Tom Brady's 248 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,239 Speaker 3: that good, but also maybe you allocate the resources differently 249 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: on the rest of your team, so instead of it 250 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: being the pass catchers who let's let's have a real 251 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: discussion about wide receivers at their best, a wide receiver 252 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: may get what eight to ten catches DJ when we're 253 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: talking about now paying thirty five to forty million dollars, 254 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: are you getting the return on the investment when a 255 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 3: guy only gets that many touches? Like, how many touches 256 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: do they need to be able to impact the game? 257 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: And do you evaluate it differently in terms of, yeah, 258 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 3: that's great that you've had one hundred and twenty catches 259 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: and all those other things, but it comes down to 260 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: yards per catch and how many touchdowns are you putting 261 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: up because if you're delivering explosive plays, you're not delivering 262 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: plays that directly lead the points. What are we doing 263 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 3: when it comes to paying big money for that number 264 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 3: one wide receiver? 265 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: Well, well, that's interesting. It's an interesting point when it 266 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: comes to the team building aspect of it. I think 267 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: this will lead us perfectly into this transition buck because 268 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about guys that are consistent, and 269 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: if you're going to pay someone, you want that consistent 270 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: production and what does that look like? And I thought 271 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: we could go through some of these positions and see, 272 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, what are the characteristics that they share. Now, 273 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: some of these guys, you're going to see they played 274 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: a long time with the same team, and we're very 275 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: productive when we look at these wide outs. So we 276 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: had our man Jack pull the numbers on this book, 277 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: most consecutive seasons with eighty plus receptions, so that's consistency 278 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: in its definition. We also had most consecutive seasons with 279 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: a one thousand plus receiving yards. So I want to 280 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: give you the names. There's only two active players right 281 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: now currently on the list of the most consecutive seasons 282 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: with eighty plus receptions. That's going to change as some 283 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: of these young guys continue to continue playing. But here 284 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: are the names. Top of the list. This is with 285 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: eight consecutive seasons of eighty plus catches. You have Jerry Ray, 286 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, Tory Holt, and how about Travis Kelcey makes 287 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: the listen there. So those are the names. Let's start 288 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: just with those names. Obviously, you know we're talking about 289 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: all time grades here, but Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Tory Holt, 290 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: those are the three receivers right there. What would you 291 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: say those three guys have in common? 292 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: I would say all were outstanding route runners. 293 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: All had the opportunity to play in the same system 294 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 3: for a long time. So mastery of skill, mastery of 295 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: system allows you the freedom to maybe take some liberties 296 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 3: when it comes to what do I need to do 297 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: to get open? But you know the system like the 298 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: back of your hand, so you understand the timing and 299 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: rhythm of the route progression. So there's consistency not only 300 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: in their performance, but in what they were asked to 301 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: do and in the system that they were in. To me, 302 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: that's what stands out, not necessarily their skill set, but 303 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: they were able to really stay in a system that 304 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: allowed them to really flourish. And because they were able 305 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 3: to stand the system and continue to stack on top 306 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: of ye after year after year, it allowed didn't really 307 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: have an expansive playbook within something that was very familiar 308 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: to them. 309 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that familiarity and the quarterback play is 310 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: something you'll see through the rest of this list. Let 311 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: me give you the rest of these names here, Tim Brown, 312 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall, Reggie Wayne, Wes Welker, Roddy White, Damarius Thomas, 313 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, Jarvis Landry, and then Davante Adams. 314 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: So the tier right below those guys with eight, there's 315 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: only two with seven. That was Tim Brown and Brandon Marshall. 316 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: But again Tim Brown played with rich Gannon right when 317 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: he had a nice run there. Brandon Marshall. That one 318 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: was interesting because I want to say who was he 319 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: was with Cutler, then he might be the one that's 320 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: if you're just looking at it, because Jerry Rice played 321 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: with two Hall of Fame quarterbacks, Marvin Harrison played with 322 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Tory Holt played with the Hall of famer 323 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: and Kurt Warner. Kelsey's playing with a future Hall of 324 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: Famer here in Patrick Mahomes. Tim Brown. We talked about 325 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: rich Gannon in the run that he want an MVP, right, 326 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: didn't rich win an MVP? I know he was close, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 327 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: I believe yeah, But Brandon Marshall might be the first one. 328 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: We're like, literally, we have to stop and think like, wait, 329 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: who who did he play with again? Because then right 330 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: beneath him, Reggie Wayne was with Peyton, Wes Welker was 331 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: with Brady Roddy White was with Matt Ryan, Demarius Thomas 332 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: was with Peyton, Antonio Brown was with Ben Roethlisberger, Julio 333 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: was with Matt Ryan. Uh, you know, Jarvis Landry would 334 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: be the next one on there. Who I don't know 335 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: that that was, you know, for his six years, I 336 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: don't remember who was you know who he had from 337 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: the majority of those years at quarterback with the Dolphins, 338 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: and then DeVante Adams had had a rod. So the 339 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: interesting names to look at for me are Brandon Marshall, 340 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: what made him, you know, kind of quarterback proof for 341 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: what he accomplished. H Jarvis Landry was another one that 342 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: would jump out off of that list. Is what would 343 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: you say? What do you remember about those two guys? 344 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: So Brandon Marshall I just remember being a look, just 345 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: a big body freak when he ended the league coming 346 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: out of UCF, goes to Denver, has immediate success, and 347 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: then everywhere he goes without a quarterback, never won a 348 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: playoff game, but everywhere he goes man he was just 349 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: able to kind of get it done. And DJ, I 350 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: think the thing about Brandon Marshall that we will talk 351 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: about and the reason why you celebrate him is his 352 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: ability to make tough catches, his ability to create separation 353 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: you in his body. 354 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: It to me was. 355 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: I wait, speed thing. Even though I wouldn't say speed 356 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: was his biggest asset, I would the size. I'm bigger, 357 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 3: I'm more physical, I'm stronger than you, So I'm going 358 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: to win consistently on the perimeter because. 359 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: I can box you out and there's nothing you can 360 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: do about it. 361 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that you could put Damarius Thomas, 362 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: even though he played with a great quarterback, you could 363 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: put him in that category. To Marius Thomas, I don't know. Obviously, 364 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: I don't think all those years are with Peyton. You 365 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: also had a t bow with him, obviously the famous 366 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: touchdown there against Ike. Yes, yeah, the playoff game. But 367 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: Damarius Thomas to me physical, you know, just a specimen 368 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: in some way with the high weight, speed and physicality 369 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: like him and Brandon Marshall, I think kind of fit 370 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: in that bucket. But primarily the number of these guys man, 371 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: I think of even quickness overspeed, instincts, route running like 372 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: all that polish precise would be words that I would 373 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: use there, like dependable. I mean obviously that these are 374 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: the most consistent guys right there. I think those are 375 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: a lot of traits that they share. 376 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, and I would say this, I would say 377 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 3: that if we go back and we break those down, 378 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 3: I would say they none of those guys probably measured 379 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 3: the fastest on the clock. And I do believe that 380 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 3: it's hard for a really fast guy to be a 381 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: number one receiver because the number one receivers expected to 382 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: do all the dirty work. You expect him to get open, 383 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 3: you expect him to be the consistent and reliable chain mover. 384 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: So a lot of times those guys are the possession 385 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: receivers that find a way to make plays in those 386 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 3: critical downs. You also point out route running and how 387 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 3: that plays a role. The reason why it plays a 388 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 3: role is because they're the number one receiver, faces more tactics, 389 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 3: more oddball gimmicky type things than anybody else, and so 390 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: their technique, their route running polish, has to be good 391 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 3: enough to allow them to win with execution, them executing 392 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: their job, them executing their fundamentals against an opponent they 393 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 3: may have the defense loaded to stop them. And the 394 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: final part we talked about route running all that, I 395 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: think they have to be great ball catchers. Man, they 396 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: just have to have like sticky hands. They have to 397 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 3: have that part that I think sometimes we overlook in scouting, 398 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: like can it got really catch? Like can't he really 399 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 3: catch the football? And for all of those guys, they 400 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 3: alwayring natural catchers, which led to a bunch of numbers 401 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: and consistent success with them. 402 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: Over their careers, no doubt. By the way, Rich Cannon, 403 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: yes he was MVP in two thousand and two, so 404 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: we weren't. We weren't imagining that now he had he 405 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: had legit success. But you talk about hands. Let's let's 406 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: take this and look at most consecutive years one thousand 407 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: plus receiving yards all time. Number one on the list. Now, 408 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: this has been interesting. Number one, Jerry Rice, as you 409 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: would expect, eleven consecutive seasons over one thousand yards. Number 410 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: two on the list, buck is Mike Evans still going, 411 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: oh yeah, ten straight thousand yard seasons Like that's semi 412 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: under the radar here with everything that's going on in 413 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: this league. Mike Evans about to uh to tie Jerry 414 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: Rice here if he can put another k up there. 415 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: And the thing about Mike Evans watching him come out 416 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 3: of Texas and m remember like not that he was 417 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: a one trick pony, but it was kind of like 418 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: the player vertical. 419 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: Stra player fifty to fifty balls. 420 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: Johnny Manzil did a really good job of giving him 421 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 3: opportunities to make plays down the field. 422 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 2: He cashed in. 423 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: He goes to Tampa Bay and you're right, DJ book 424 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: nine ten straight, one thousand yard season speaks to it. 425 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 3: A bunch of different qbs and show. It really speaks 426 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: his ability to show up each and every week and 427 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: get the job done without excuses. 428 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: He's a terrific player. 429 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 3: And funny because he signed his deal early in the 430 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: in the off season, I wonder if he wishes that 431 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: he had waited a little bit to see if he 432 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 3: could have got some more coin to watchend some of 433 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: the money that these guys get. 434 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: All right, I want to get there's some other names 435 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 1: on here, right, let's go through this because I want 436 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: to see. Okay, this is the difference between the catches, 437 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: which is a volume. Right with the catches the yards, 438 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: I think you see some different names come in here. 439 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: He talked about hands, Mike Evans on this list, Chris 440 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: Carter on this list, someone you're very familiar with, Jimmy 441 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: Smith makes his way onto this list. So some new 442 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: names there in that mix. But I think if Tim Brown, 443 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: I think not only you know, polish and all that 444 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but I just thought, just phenomenal hands. 445 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: You know, you look at Chris Carter, phenomenal hands, Mike Evans, 446 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: phenomenal hands. Like that's again. And at the end of 447 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: the day, catching the balls is a big part of 448 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: the evaluation. It seems like you wouldn't need to say that, 449 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: but we can get an amber with separation and quickness 450 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: and suddenness, physicality. But at the end of the day, 451 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: like how good are you at the catchpoint? Can you 452 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: go get it? And these guys it's a tremendous group 453 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: of past catchers with hands. 454 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, a tremendous group of pass catches. 455 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 3: And maybe you notice from your time being around time 456 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 3: to let's go. But Bill Paullion, I've heard him talk 457 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: about this when they're evaluating players, like catch percentage really 458 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: matter to them, like what was your drop ratio? Like 459 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: how many drops did you have per catch? Was it 460 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 3: an issue if you dropped the ball a lot? You 461 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: can't expect someone to come into the National Football League 462 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: high catch guy. Those things don't typically improve or translate. 463 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: I never really thought about it to I heard him 464 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: talk about it about tracking the amount of catches that 465 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 3: someone has, because it's hard to bring someone in the 466 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 3: league that doesn't catch that over eighty five ninety percent 467 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: clip and think that they're going to do it at 468 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: a high level as a pro. 469 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's an interesting way to look at some 470 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: of these consistent players ten plus touchdowns consecutive seasons, Marvin Harrison, 471 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, Chris Carter, Tommy McDonald. That goes back to 472 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: the before our time, their late fifties, early sixties. Lance 473 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 1: Alworth another one going back. You get some of these 474 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: old school guys on there. Interesting one that cracks the list, 475 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: Andre Risen, you know, Randy Moss. These are touchdown scores, 476 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: So Sterling Sharp gets on here to, o's on here 477 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: to did it a couple times. He had three in 478 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: a row twice, So you know, it's just a little 479 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: different statistic, a little bit different skill set. But I 480 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: think for the most part, you know, if we're going 481 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: to look at it from a scouting standpoint, if you're 482 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: going to hit a home run on a guy who's 483 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: going to have longevity and be a consistent player, I 484 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: think it's not rocket science, right. These guys have outstanding hands, 485 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: they're very instinctive, and they're excellent route runners. For the 486 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: most part, they all share those three traits DJ. 487 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: I mean we just walk into skills back. 488 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: The job description demands that you have to be able 489 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: to create separation and get open. Jobstription also expects you 490 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: to be able to catch BB in the dark. Can 491 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 3: you do those things to be a high end play 492 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 3: back and do those things? To me, the consistency comes 493 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: from watching how someone goes about their work as a collegian, 494 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 3: being able to get to know them, how do they 495 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: talk about the job and what they want to accomplish, 496 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 3: and then watching that play out. I think the best 497 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 3: guess that we've had the best guys that have had 498 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: success when we've talked to them, they all share that 499 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 3: ability to clearly outline and articulate what it is that 500 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 3: they're doing, what they want to do, and how they're 501 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 3: going to get there. I think that's we're going to 502 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 3: finding consistent players on the like at any position that. 503 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: Can play at a high level over extended period of time. 504 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what we're looking for, right, I mean, 505 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: that's the goal of the evaluation, is to find guys 506 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: that can get to a second, maybe even a third 507 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: contract and not see the production slip or drop off. 508 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: That's just one position. And let's take a quick break. 509 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: We'll come back. We' look at a couple of these 510 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: offensive positions and see if we can't learn any lessons. 511 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: And I want to look at one defensive stat here 512 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: where I think there's something to be learned about the 513 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: consistency in the list with a bunch of active players. 514 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: So we'll do that right after this, all right, buck, 515 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: If we look at quarterbacks real quick, let's go four 516 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: thousand yards most consecutive seasons with four thousand passing yards. 517 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: Here we go at the top of the list, it's 518 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: Drew Brees, matt Ryan, Peyton, Manning, Philip Rivers, Matthew Stafford. 519 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning did it again on a second run after 520 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: missing time with that neck injury. And then Tom Brady 521 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: cracks the list a couple times, and Philip Rivers cracked 522 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: it again there, So you see some repeat guys. Kirk 523 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: Cousins gets on there, Derek cargets on there, Aaron Rodgers 524 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: gets on there, and Josh Allen gets on there. The 525 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: ones at the bottom were four consecutive years. But at 526 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: the very top you're talking about Breeze with twelve, Matt 527 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: Ryan with ten, Let's go Peyton Man and Philip Rivers 528 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: with eight apiece. So let's look at those four guys, Breeze, Ryan, 529 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: Peyton and Rivers. What do you connect with those guys 530 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: with that. 531 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: One? High efficient players like really focus on stringing together 532 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: completions as opposed to the plays two. 533 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 2: The system never changed for them. 534 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: The pieces around them may have changed, but what they 535 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 3: were asked to do always stayed the same. 536 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: Three. 537 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 2: I would say their personalities. 538 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 3: Might be different outwardly, but inwardly they're all the same people. 539 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: Very competitive, very attention to detail orientedndus when it comes 540 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: to how they work and what they do. And because 541 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: of all of that stuff, they believe they've earned the 542 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: rights to the other. 543 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: Stuff that comes along with it. You know, right behind 544 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: them is Matthew Stafford. So if we threw him in 545 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: the mix as well, that would give us one two, three. 546 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: That's five guys, right, some interest things. We always say 547 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: it matters where you go, and you think about where 548 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: you go in terms of you know, the the p's 549 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: that we talk about, the you know, the playmakers, the protection, 550 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: the play caller, all those things, the organizational stability, you know, 551 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: having continuity, those things matter. You know what else I 552 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: found interesting? Here's the guys where did what what? What? 553 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: In what facility? Did Drew Brees play in? Indoors? Are outdoors? 554 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 3: Oh, indoors and super dome so Matt Ryan, Oh indoors, 555 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 3: State Manning m into our c Matthew Stafford Detroit Fordfield. 556 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: And last one the one that didn't play indoors, Philip 557 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: Rivers as someone who lives in San Diego and has 558 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: been in some life is not different, not that different. 559 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean, these are these guys went to ideal environments 560 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: to throw the football, you know, not even counting the 561 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: players they had with them, you know, the play callers, 562 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: the protection, all those different things. Again, I remind people, like, 563 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: it matters where you go. If you're just going to 564 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: judge these guys strictly on production, it matters. 565 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does matter, and and it matters a few 566 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: different ways DJ when we and because you have picked 567 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: up the game golf and you're going and getting lessons 568 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 3: and all this other stuffy. 569 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: One o'clock. Okay, so now. 570 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: You're not hit balls early. I found out that I 571 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: get there hit balls early. It's it doesn't that's bad. 572 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: Empty my mind. I got to empty my mind when 573 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: I get to that first dy. But I don't want 574 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: to go on side ahead. 575 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 3: No no, no peak too soon. But this is disciplay well 576 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: for your your golf thing. I'll give you this analogy. Uh, 577 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: there's a reason why you want to play golf, and 578 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,239 Speaker 3: whether the environments as opposed to cold weather because the 579 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 3: ball flies farther in warm weather. But think about it 580 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: from a quarterback in a climate control dome. I don't 581 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: have to worry about the wind and all the stuff 582 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 3: that can imfect me as a thrower. When I am 583 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: doing that, it allows me to continue to build upon, 584 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 3: uh my game and have the consistency when you are 585 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 3: a team like Green Bay that wants to do it 586 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 3: through the air. But then you know, when you get 587 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 3: into the postseason, it may be mucky, may be windy, 588 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 3: may be messy. 589 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: That's going to change how we have to play, it 590 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 2: can be a bit of a concern. 591 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 3: I just think everyone likes the franchise theory, right, meaning 592 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: that part of the appeal for independent operators is they 593 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: want to own franchises like a Chick fil A or 594 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: McDonald's because you know exactly where you're getting each and 595 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: every time you go there. And so these guys that 596 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 3: are playing in these climate control domes, playing in these 597 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 3: favorable conditions, like Philip Rivers did in San Diego, they 598 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: had the opportunity to know that every week when I 599 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: walk out, it's gonna be exactly the same. It is 600 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 3: gonna be rarity that I have to deal with rain 601 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 3: or anything else. There's a lot of comfort and security 602 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: that comes with it. 603 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: Can I give you one other thing that you know 604 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: we talk about, you know, accuracy, poised decision making, all 605 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: those like critical UH factors when you're looking at a position. 606 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: But I talked about a couple of things we don't 607 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: think about obviously the environment we just mentioned. Had that 608 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: conversation if you were going to if I was going 609 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: to ask you to give an evaluation on these these 610 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: five guys at the top, I think that the word 611 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: toughness would enter in very early in the evaluation. Let 612 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: me just give you a refresher. Drew Brees has what 613 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: many considered career ending injury with his shoulder. He goes 614 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: on after that injury, plays through it to the point 615 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: now where he read the articles. He literally plays catch 616 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: in the backyard with his left hand. He can't even 617 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: throw with his right arm anymore. So you know he 618 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: was dealing with that and trying to play through that 619 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: throughout his career. Matt Ryan has been synonymous with toughness, 620 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: Like you think about him and the shots that he 621 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: took and hanging in there, played forever, like, didn't miss games. 622 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: You know, his his toughness was there. Peyton Manning, we 623 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: know about what he battled through with the neck injury. 624 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: To have a second chapter there with the Denver Broncos, 625 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers played a freaking game with a torn acl 626 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: like Matthew Stafford. You remember his shoulder going out him 627 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: coming over the sideline in the true and just going 628 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: out there and throwing the game winning touchdown right after that, 629 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: And he's another one you can't peel him off the field. 630 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: I think that's that's a big part of it. Man. 631 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: I think at that position, you have to be not 632 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: only mentally tough to deal with failure, you've got to 633 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: be pretty freaking physically tough there too. And the two 634 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: guys we have two active players on here. Patrick Mahomes 635 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: is at six years in a row, so he cracks 636 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: this list. And Josh Allen's had four years in a row. 637 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: So both those guys four thousand passing yards, six in 638 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: a row for Mahomes, four in a row for Allen. 639 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: Interesting thing about them they are not in friendly weather 640 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: environments in Kansas City and Buffalo, so take that one out. 641 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: But I would say, if you're talking about toughness, Mahomes 642 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: and Josh Allen two of the toughest dudes in the league, 643 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: regardless of position. 644 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: So about it. And I think you got the phrase 645 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: from Steve Young. 646 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 3: With Steve Young, we're talking about not over my dead 647 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 3: body that the quarterback and Francis quarterback has to exhibit 648 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 3: that kind of arrogance and competitive stamina no matter what. 649 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: It's not having on my wife. If I'm lined up 650 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 3: and I got the ball, we don't find a way 651 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 3: to win. They're the guys that stay on the pick 652 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: up court all the time, no matter who you surround 653 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: them with they find a way to figure it out 654 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 3: and win. That comes from not only a belief and 655 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: a skill set, that comes from the toughness to know, 656 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: hey man, we're gonna deal with some stuff that the 657 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 3: cars may be stacked against this, but it doesn't matter. 658 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 3: We're gonna figure it out. Just that that mentality, that 659 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: dog nature that we talk about, Yeah, that separates the 660 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 3: good from the greats, because the greats obsess about it. 661 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 3: I mean they to the point that they can be 662 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 3: annoying as a regular fan. They go crazy about those things. 663 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 3: So I'll ask you this one question. We'll move off 664 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 3: the quarterback after this one. 665 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: But I'm curious, Like we've talked about this with Trevor before, 666 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence, who you were around calling those Jag games. 667 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 1: Like I gave him some credit this year from what 668 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: I knew from the outside. You're on the inside, you 669 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: know more than I do. But it did not feel 670 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: like he was healthy at all this year. But while 671 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: it didn't, while it didn't manifest itself and wins in 672 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: a playoff run this past year, I think he might 673 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: have made a deposit with his team in terms of 674 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: showing that toughness and just fighting through to get the 675 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: game day. 676 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: DJ, I'll give it to you quite simply. Yes he did. 677 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: He earned more points this year than I think in 678 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: previous years. 679 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 3: Not that he hadn't faced with adversity, but I just 680 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: remember going to the Thursday night game against the New 681 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: Orleans Saints and Trevor had first been hurt and he 682 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 3: just didn't know. 683 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: And DJ, he not only goes and gets clearingson in 684 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 2: warm ups like you had. 685 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: He has to perform well enough in warm ups to 686 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 3: earn the ball. He just kind of gets in, gets in, 687 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 3: does this thing knocks around? And I'll say this, DJ, 688 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 3: it might have been the best performance of his season 689 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 3: in terms of how he played, how he got it together, 690 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 3: and those things, but more importantly, what it did. It 691 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 3: eliminates some of those questions, some of the things about 692 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,239 Speaker 3: his like his makeup, his mindset, how much does he 693 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 3: love it? It eliminated that because he was willing to 694 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 3: play through some of the miners, bumps and bruises. And ideally, 695 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 3: you want your quarterback to be there for every practice, 696 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 3: but more importantly, you want your quarterbacks to show up 697 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: each and every Sunday ready to go. Trevor Lawrence did that, 698 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 3: and I think it not only ended himself to his teammates, 699 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 3: but I think his coaches view him a little differently 700 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: based on the toughness. 701 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: That he's Yeah. No, I again, I think that's a 702 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: long term approach there, and man, you wish it would 703 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: have been able to finish the season better, play better, 704 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: But I think long term wise, I think that's going 705 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: to pay dividends for him. I want to get to 706 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: quickly two defensive positions, a couple of defensive stats, and 707 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: see if we can't learn something. And I know you 708 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: have experience being around some of these guys, so I 709 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on it. Most consecutive seasons 710 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: with ten plus sacks since nineteen eighty two Reggie White, 711 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: John Randall, Lawrence Taylor, Bruce Smith, DeMarcus where Jared Allen, 712 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. So, Miles Garrett is the only active one. 713 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett's had six straight years of ten plus sacks, 714 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: which is pretty incredible. Way the ball's coming out right now. 715 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: But so of those guys, Buck, You've seen those guys. 716 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: You've been around a lot of those guys. Reggie White, 717 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 1: John Randall, Lawrence Taylor, Bruce Smith, The Marcus, where Jared Allen, 718 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, what do they have in common? 719 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 3: Okay, so play with two of those guys, Play with 720 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 3: Reggie White, play with Bruce Smith, and what I can 721 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 3: tell you they were freakish in terms of their strength 722 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 3: and explosiveness in relation with their speed and quickness, meaning 723 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 3: that these guys were super powerful. They were on it. 724 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 3: They were able to just hip toss and move people 725 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 3: out the way where I mean literally it is King 726 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 3: Kong just fighting in a movie. That's what these guys had. 727 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 3: The other thing that they had when it comes to 728 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 3: like studying their game specifically, it comes down to the 729 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 3: things that we all talked about. 730 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 2: If you have. 731 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 3: Upper echelon elite level get off first step quickness, that 732 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 3: gives you a chance. 733 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: And then the other part, if if you. 734 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 3: Are a relentless competitor that is always playing from snap 735 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 3: to whistle, that gives you a chance to look a 736 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 3: bunch of numbers. 737 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: Up at the end of the night. 738 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 3: Like you have those things, you have an opportunity to 739 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 3: be a guy that can play at a high level 740 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 3: for a long time. 741 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: So I wrote down some words and again that's I 742 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: love the fact you've been around these guys. And then 743 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, Von Miller shows up a little bit lower 744 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 1: on this list. You get some other names like Richard Dent, 745 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: you get Chandler Jones show he hit five in a 746 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: row from fifteen to nineteen, Aaron Donald five in a 747 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: row from seventeen to twenty one. But you just kind 748 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: of looking over those names, and I tried to, I 749 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: try to look at and say, Okay, what is some 750 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: of the different things you talked about to get off? 751 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: I think that's excellent point, something that we've always believed 752 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: in and preached on. Here I wrote down three words power. 753 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: All these guys can win with power. All these guys 754 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: play with great energy. All these guys play with great effort, 755 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: and literally for the slogan, and I know, I don't 756 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: know if I'm sure the slogan had been around before 757 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: Roberts All. I know he uses it. But you know, 758 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: the all gas no breaks, like you don't get it 759 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: down off Like if you're lined up with Reggie White, 760 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,479 Speaker 1: John Randall, Lawrence Taylor, Bruce Smith, the Marcus where Jared Allen, 761 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, you do not get a break like literally 762 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: it is at just one hundred miles an hour at 763 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: all times. And I also think that I believe that 764 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: energy and effort is contagious, and I think that those guys, 765 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: when your best player plays that hard, I believe it 766 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: elevates everyone else around him. Let me give you one 767 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: more thing, superior conditioning. I don't know if a lot 768 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: of people know this, particularly about Bruce Smith. Bruce Smith 769 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: did a stair master every day DJ. 770 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: When Bruce Smith. 771 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 3: Came in the league, he was number one over up 772 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 3: Hick coming out of Virginia Tech. Bruce Smith might have 773 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 3: been a little heavy or whatever. The strength coach from 774 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 3: Rusty Jones talk about how he transformed his body DJ 775 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 3: to this day, he still gets on the stair and 776 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 3: I remember standing around him and being around him. You 777 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 3: know my perception of d Liner where that we're all 778 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 3: fat and chubby or whatever. 779 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 2: Bruce Smith was lean. 780 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 3: Bruce Smith as Bruce Smith was, I mean, he was 781 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 3: obsessed with the staremaster in those things. Reggie White was 782 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 3: different in terms of structurally he was different, but Reggie 783 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 3: could go all day, play basketball all day in the gym, 784 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 3: was in the weight room and those things. I just 785 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 3: think that the secret sauce to a lot of their 786 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 3: success is their superior conditioning. Because you talked about a 787 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 3: long day when you have to face these guys, well, DJ, 788 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 3: when you're that guy and you expected to bring it 789 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 3: and close games out, well, guess what. 790 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: You don't close games out to the fourth quarter. 791 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 3: That means that you got to have enough gas to 792 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 3: get to the point where you can close it out. 793 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 3: Superior conditioning from star athletes is underrated, and I think 794 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 3: sometimes a lot of times that's what separates the good 795 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 3: from the great. Is that that extra that extra gear, 796 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 3: that that that gas tank, that. 797 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 2: That third long that some people talk about when it 798 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 2: comes to m M A. 799 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 3: They have it, and they have it because they work 800 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 3: at it, because they know superior condition and gives them 801 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 3: an edge in those moments you talk. 802 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I love that. I think that's a great point. 803 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: They literally the gas tank never gets empty. And you 804 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: think of you know, as scouts before games and we 805 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: go down on the field and we body type guys 806 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: and people are like, oh, what's the point of doing that. 807 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: That's it doesn't matter. We've come in all shapes and sizes. Well, 808 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: body beautiful, right, we use that phrase in the draft 809 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: room whatever, like body beautiful, Like you tell me somebody 810 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: who's better put together than Miles Garrett, like a physical specimen. 811 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's on this list. We've all seen what he 812 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: looks like and how he takes care of himself. 813 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 2: Look at it. 814 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 1: How about DeMarcus Ware. I mean the same thing, DJ. 815 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 2: There's not a sloppy one in the bunch. There's not 816 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 2: a sloppy player. 817 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 3: There's not a fatty, pudgy, an out of shape goud 818 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 3: that is on the list because they cannot last either. 819 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 3: They cannot last the entire game, they cannot last the 820 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 3: course of the season. 821 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 2: They cannot consistently play at a high level. 822 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 3: Because DJ, when you're not in shape, and you tell 823 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 3: young people that, like, you can't thrive if you're always 824 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 3: in survival mode on the field, you're conditioning cannot even 825 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 3: be a thought because you're so locked into playing. And 826 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 3: so you got to get your conditioning level to that 827 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 3: point where it's not even a consideration. I'm able to 828 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 3: focus on the task at hand each and every down. 829 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 3: If I'm stucking eggs and trying to get my win, 830 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 3: I can't do it. 831 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 2: I can't do it. 832 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 3: I just think it's a common denominator. And now that 833 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 3: you mentioned those names that Aaron Donald's, the Miles Garrett 834 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 3: to go with the other guy. 835 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: I mean, like I think about Julius Peppers. 836 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 3: I don't know if I mean superior condition, like well built, chiseled, 837 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 3: in shape, can go and all of those guys, they 838 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 3: all played a long time because they were able to 839 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 3: avoid the injury, but because they were in great shape. 840 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: You know what I would love to do, and maybe 841 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: somebody that's listening that, Hey, you want to you want 842 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: to endear yourselves to us, We'll give you a shout 843 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 1: out on the podcast if you can pull this off. 844 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: I don't think it would be that hard. You mentioned 845 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: Reggie White playing hoops right, he liked to play a 846 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: lot of hoops. I would love and you talked about 847 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: Bruce Smith with a StairMaster. M h. I would love 848 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: to know what the Staying in Shape program looked like. 849 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: What was the off season hobby Jared Allen? I know 850 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: like he rides horses or whatever, but I would love 851 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: to know what he did to stay in to stay 852 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: in shape and to have his gas tank be as 853 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: big as it is to be able to uh, to 854 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 1: not get tired. I'm going to go out and lemon 855 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: say I bet you basketball is a big part of 856 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: I bet you a lot of these guys play basketball. 857 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 2: They did, I think, I think, I think they do 858 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 2: a lot of that. 859 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 3: I also think and I can speak to my time 860 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 3: at the end of the Buffalo Bills for Super Bowl run. 861 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 2: They're going to four Super Bowls. They lost all of them. 862 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 2: They went four straight, which is crazy. 863 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 3: But DJ, one of the things that they did is 864 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 3: they had a way of preparing that was uncommon. They 865 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,280 Speaker 3: didn't practice long. I mean you talk about ninety minutes practice, 866 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 3: you know, an hour and a half maybe, where they 867 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 3: would just kind of get in and get out. They 868 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 3: really took care of the veterans. But even then DJ 869 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,479 Speaker 3: Bruce would be working out on his own afterwards, you'd 870 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 3: be doing extra stuff. When you hear about Aaron Donald 871 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 3: and how obsessed he was with his conditioning, I just 872 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 3: think it's look, it's the basketball mixed in. But I 873 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 3: just think those guys know that for me to be 874 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 3: at my best, I got to be in great shape 875 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 3: and I got. 876 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 2: To do whatever it takes to be in great shape. 877 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,919 Speaker 3: But it also means that they're disciplined enough to never 878 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 3: let themselves get out of shape. There's not the oh, oh, 879 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,479 Speaker 3: i'm twenty pounds overweight. Let me whittle down is they're 880 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 3: always right there. They're never too far out of shape 881 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 3: that they can't dial it up and turn it on. 882 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a great point. 883 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 2: Man. 884 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: Again, this is why I wanted this exercise because we're 885 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: literally just having this organic conversation and you do learn 886 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: some things about looking at players and what to maybe 887 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: emphasize a little more. Hey, what type of shape are 888 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: you in? And how do you look? How does your 889 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: get off look? And that's something we can quantify now 890 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 1: with the numbers. What's your fourth quarter get off versus 891 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,240 Speaker 1: your first quarter get off? Like, are we seeing you 892 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: fall off a cliff there or are you able to 893 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: maintain it? And maybe even in some cases find another 894 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,240 Speaker 1: level once you get into the meaningful pass rush snaps 895 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: you're going to have as you go throughout a game. 896 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: So that'd be something we can look into. I want 897 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: to get to the last one here and then we'll run. 898 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 1: We'll have to spend long on this one. I just 899 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: want to give you the active players on this list. 900 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: This is most consecutive seasons with one hundred plus defensive 901 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: tackle since two thousand and one and here are the 902 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: active players we have on there. Bobby Wagner with twelve, 903 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: he's second on the list. London Fletcher was at the 904 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: very top of thirteen, but Bobby Wagner with twelve, Eric 905 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: Kendrick's with eight, to Mario Davis was seven. And then 906 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,919 Speaker 1: we have three at the that are coming up here 907 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: that have literally done it every year from twenty eighteen 908 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty three. That's Tremaine Edmunds, Rokwan Smith and 909 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: Fred Warner. So if you're looking at those names, Bobby Wagner, 910 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: Eric Kendricks to Mario Davis, Tremaine Edmunds, Rokwan Smith, Fred Warner, 911 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: all different body types. Fuck, what do you see there? 912 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: As the as the connecting tissue. 913 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 3: I think about the reliability and dependability of each of 914 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 3: those players. I think about the maturity that each of 915 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 3: them displayed. When you've either been around them or you've 916 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 3: heard them talk, they all sound like even when they 917 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,720 Speaker 3: were younger players, they all sound wise beyond their years, 918 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 3: if that makes sense. 919 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 2: And GJ. 920 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,399 Speaker 3: And when we talk about the linebacker position, the mike 921 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 3: linebacker position, whatever it is that we want to say, 922 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 3: those guys are. 923 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 2: When you're that person there is a maturity that you 924 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 2: must have to be able to do it. We've never 925 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 2: seen an immature player last at that position for a 926 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 2: long time. I just think it's something about just not 927 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 2: only the leadership ability, but just kind of getting at 928 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 2: a young age where they know how to prepare, they 929 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 2: know how to lead, they know how to handle themselves, 930 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 2: they know how to act on and off the field. 931 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 2: I think all of those things matter because that position 932 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 2: is one that is taxing physically, but really it's a 933 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 2: grind mentally to lock in and do it. Just think 934 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 2: about Luke Keighley and how Luke Keigley was when we've 935 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 2: had him on the podcast, and how detailed he was 936 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 2: when it comes to being able. 937 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 3: To break down simple concepts and what he sees to me. 938 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 3: I think you have to be wired that way to 939 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 3: be able to do it. I don't think it's a 940 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 3: position that you can just out athlete people to rack 941 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,879 Speaker 3: up that production year after year after year after year. 942 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Luke Kickley would show up towards the top 943 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: of this list with eight consecutive years. I love the 944 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: leadership component of these guys. I believe they're all captains 945 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 1: of their defenses where they've played. The leadership is one 946 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 1: that stood out. You know the other thing, Buck, I 947 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: was trying to pull up to numbers while you were talking, 948 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 1: but I know off the top of my head Bobby 949 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: Wagner was a four to four guy. I believe the 950 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: Mario Davis ran in the high four force. Tremaine Edmunds 951 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 1: can fly, Fred Warner ran low force six, but he 952 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: plays even faster, and that ro Kwan Smith can run 953 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: like this in this age to be a tackle producer, 954 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: like we can talk about instincts and being the most important, 955 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, seeing you got to be able to run. Man, 956 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: it's hard to play in this league and be consistently 957 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: getting to the football. If you can't run, you. 958 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 3: Can't have a great defense with slow linebackers. A slow linebacker, 959 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 3: the speed of your defense is ultimately determined by how 960 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 3: fast your linebacker plays. Because we have talked about it, 961 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 3: Luke Heigley talked about instincts and film study and all 962 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,479 Speaker 3: this stuff being able to give him a hey start 963 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 3: on the competition. 964 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 2: But Dj, you're right, athletic. 965 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 3: Freaks with great knowledge, in insight, in instincts, man, they 966 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 3: can get it done because you not only have to 967 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 3: be able to get from point A to point B 968 00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 3: in a hurry. But if you can anticipate what is 969 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,839 Speaker 3: about to happen through film study and just understanding the game, man, 970 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 3: that allows you to play at warp speed, and that 971 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 3: also allows you to make a bunch of different plays 972 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 3: on the other side. 973 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,280 Speaker 1: Of the back. Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm looking 974 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: at it. I was trying to think of a creative 975 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,439 Speaker 1: way to put that together. But I just think it's 976 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: if you looked at if you just check these boxes 977 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,959 Speaker 1: of if we just called it the ls I, right, 978 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: if you just said, hey, are are off the ball linebackers, 979 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: we can get leaders with speed and instincts. That's what 980 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,319 Speaker 1: we want, like we talked about we always talked about 981 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: STI and Baltimore, So speed, toughness, instincts. I almost I'll 982 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: go speed instincts leadership like that, and that leadership that 983 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: implies that you're not only you know that, that implies 984 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: you're smart and you can make the calls and you 985 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: can make the checks and all those things. But you 986 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: can be the captain. You can. If I draft a 987 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: middle linebacker buck, you better envision him having a C 988 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: on his jersey, Like that's what you're that's what you're 989 00:46:59,239 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: picking him to be. 990 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 3: He has to be that DJ. But that's not only 991 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 3: the thing about that position. And I don't know, like 992 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 3: during your time as a scal like it was always big. 993 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 3: It was particularly important for John Fox that the guys 994 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 3: that we took were leaders, like team captains, guys that 995 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 3: came from winning programs, because he wanted those guys to 996 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 3: be able to carry the message like I'm the coach, 997 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 3: but you got to be the coach on the field. 998 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,240 Speaker 3: Guys who are being captains one have occupied and played 999 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 3: the role they kind of had to deliver the message 1000 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 3: to the masses. But if you come from winning programs 1001 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,760 Speaker 3: where you also have had to be in the deliver 1002 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 3: of the message, you understand exactly what it should look 1003 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 3: like and what is going on, and you're not afraid 1004 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 3: to hold your teammates accountable to whatever the standard that 1005 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 3: has been created for the team. To me, I think 1006 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 3: all that matters. And when you have a team that 1007 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 3: has those kinds of guys, that's when you have an 1008 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 3: opportunity to do really really special. 1009 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: Things, no doubt. But we went a little bit longer. 1010 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: We're planning on to buck but again this is the 1011 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: fun part about the officeas and I hope you guys 1012 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: enjoy this as much as we do, because it is 1013 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: it's a chance to grab a topic, get some research, 1014 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: and then just kind of have an organic conversation. This 1015 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: is the kind of stuff that we be doing. You 1016 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,879 Speaker 1: weren't doing a podcast, buck of just trying to see 1017 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: how do we learn, how do we grow? What can 1018 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 1: we apply as we're continuing to look at these players 1019 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: on a yearly basis. But I think looking at some 1020 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: of the consistent guys, I think there's some tried, true 1021 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 1: and consistent lessons that you can learn from. And I 1022 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: think that was that was beneficial. 1023 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 3: Now, look, it's really funny because these conversations kind of 1024 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 3: spring up organically. But then when we have the stuff 1025 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,919 Speaker 3: and we go back and forth and we scrimmage it out, 1026 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,840 Speaker 3: you do see these common denominators that exist with the 1027 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,880 Speaker 3: great players, which then leads to the great teams and 1028 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,439 Speaker 3: today just those little things we talked about conditioning or 1029 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 3: just the way guys are wired. It kind of matters 1030 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 3: like there is what do we say, like success leads 1031 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 3: clues like yes, rip CRuMs that you can pick up 1032 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 3: along the way from successful players and great players that 1033 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 3: if you can just follow the blueprint, it can lead 1034 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 3: you to either find other great players or become a 1035 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 3: great player yourself. 1036 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: No question, this was a lot of fun. I hope 1037 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,399 Speaker 1: you guys have enjoyed it. That's gonna do it for 1038 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: us Today. We will be back. I think we're gonna 1039 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,240 Speaker 1: uh knock another one of these things out tomorrow. I'm 1040 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: heading out of town for a few days, but we'll 1041 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: get another episode in this week. I hope you guys 1042 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: have a fantastic week and we'll see you next time. 1043 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,360 Speaker 1: Right here on, Move the sticks.