1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody once again recording from the 3 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bunker. Why because later on in the show, with 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel joining us for our continuation 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: of the last two years of living in a pandemic, 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: the thoughts of del Macron and Flerona entering my system 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: keeps me wanting to, you know, self, quarantine, just be 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: on my own personal fucking lockdown at this point in time, 9 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: because I find then anytime that I start to muster 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: up the strength to say, yeah, I'll go out and 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: I'll hang out with this person, then I find out 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: that I have been exposed in some way former shape. 13 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: So far, so good, But trying to avoid COVID right 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: now is like being a ball in a pinball machine 15 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: trying not to hit the size. Before we jump into 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: the latest with COVID, we are coming fastly, fastly approaching 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: the anniversary of the one six insurrection, and according to 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: the New York Times and a couple of other outlets 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: now Politico, Axios and others, there's a new far right 20 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: group that apparently all of us hadn't heard of, hadn't 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: been privy too, and as the one six Commission continues 22 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: to quietly do their investigation, as the media is saying, 23 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how quiet things can be when it's 24 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: on national television, but I digress. A group called I 25 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Believe A One, not like the steak sauce because that 26 00:01:53,960 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: would provide flavor, but A one is a group of 27 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: former military, former intelligence agents of former Coastguard National Guard. 28 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: It's essentially made up of ex military folks. They are 29 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: a far right wing group that has been in close contact, 30 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: close community with the Trump administration, with as many are 31 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: referring to as MAGA celebrities. They apparently acted as their 32 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: own personal bodyguards, and right before the insurrection. On January fourth, 33 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: two days before the insurrection, tweeted out from their official 34 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: Twitter account that some young National Guard captains are going 35 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: to have to make some very tough decisions. On January sixth, 36 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: I want us to sit with that for a moment, 37 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: because now, of course there is more investigation into the 38 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: rise and the prevalence, right, but it's not even the rise, 39 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: because the Rise continues to assume that these groups are 40 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: somehow blossoming out of nowhere, when in fact, and we 41 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: reported on this show a bunch of times that the 42 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: FBI was very well aware of the spreading right, the 43 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: exponential spread of white supremacists, far right nationalist groups blossoming 44 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: with their multiple cells all across the United States for 45 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: roughly the last ten to twelve years. They did a 46 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: whole fucking report on it, except you know, they decided 47 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: that they were not going to put money or resources 48 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: into those kinds of investigations. Instead, they were going to 49 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: put power, intellectual power into black extremist groups, because they 50 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: are the ones that are rampant. Right, Because we have 51 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: to understand why were these agencies created in the first place, 52 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: and what was their function right as a tool of government, 53 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: well throughout the history of these United States, at least 54 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: in modern times. Right, and when modern times, I'm talking 55 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: you know about the civil rights movements, I'm talking about 56 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: you know, the nineteen fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, I'm talking 57 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: about the crack epidemic, I'm talking about all of these 58 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: different things. Well, these intelligence agencies were functioning as a 59 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: tool of government to assassinate civil rights leaders, to intimidate, 60 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: to put wire taps, to figure out how they were organizing, 61 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: because if they could, in fact get rid of these 62 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: prominent voices, then you know, black people would go back 63 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: to keeping their heads down, saying yes ma'am and no 64 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: ma'am and moving off a sidewalks for white people and 65 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: for whiteness. So it should be of no shock to 66 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: any of us that there are a multitude of people 67 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: that exist inside of these agencies, that exist inside of 68 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: the branches of the military, in large numbers, right, who 69 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: are proponents of white supremacy and far right ideology. What 70 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: is mind fucking boggling to me, though, is that with 71 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: this information mounting in front of us over the last 72 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: four to fucking five years, now, why isn't that we 73 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: are just still pushing paperwork instead of in guiding these groups, 74 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: instead of locking these people up and calling them what 75 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: they are, which is a group of fucking terrorists. Right, Like, 76 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: this is what is getting my blood boiling is the 77 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: amount of oh, well, we need to be told we 78 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: need to have like all of our investigations in a row, 79 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: We need to have all of our paperwork, all of 80 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: our ducks in a row, needs to be meticulous to 81 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: do what exactly because you didn't need any of that 82 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: type of note taking and paperwork and data collection. When 83 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: you decided to use facial recognition on Black Lives Matter protesters, 84 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: you didn't need that kind of energy when you were 85 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: going after the Angela davis is of the world, and 86 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: the Martin Luther Kings and the Malcolm X's at the 87 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: Fred Hampton's none of it right, you just went in. 88 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: You took those people out because you did not like 89 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: what they stood for, which was liberty and justice for 90 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: an oppressed people. But when it turns out that you 91 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: don't want to take down your neighbor and your buddy 92 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: and your fucking pastor and your cop and your chief, right, 93 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: this is the problem. The problem that America continues to 94 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: want to turn its back on is white terrorism. That's it. 95 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: All of this stems from the eight the purposeful ignorance 96 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: to the fact that this country is bred and born 97 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: white domestic terrorism. And not only does it breed it, right, 98 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: it celebrates it. It celebrates it with fucking statues, right, 99 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: it celebrates it with naming these traders after schools and 100 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: hospitals and our own fucking FBI agency. So how is 101 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: it that you can even begin right to deal with 102 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: a problem that is so indistinguishable from Americanism. Americanism is 103 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: violence perpetuated by white, aggrieved, rage filled people. Because when 104 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: you have set up a matrix and a system that 105 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: tells you that the rest of the fucking world owes 106 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: you something, that somehow you are special just by virtue 107 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: of your lack of melanin, then trying to paint the 108 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: picture of where all of this ship has gone wrong 109 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: is like trying right, but what is it? Even? Like, 110 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: I don't even know what it's like, because like, eventually 111 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: kids stop believing in Santa Claus, right, Like, eventually they 112 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: recognize that that is mommy, or that is Daddy or 113 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: whomever it is. Right Like, eventually the things that we 114 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: believed right as fantasy is as children begin to dissipate 115 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: over time. The problem with white supremacy is that it exists, 116 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: right like. It isn't the boogeyman, right, It isn't this 117 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: fictitional figure. It is very real. It is very insidious. 118 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: It is a cancer, and a cancer that cannot be isolated. 119 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: It infects a tissue, every cell, every fiber of our being, 120 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: everything that we put our trust and faith in, every agency. 121 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: When we are pledging allegiance to this country. This is 122 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: why Colin Kaepernick and others were taking a knee, not 123 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: just for police brutality, because when you pledge allegiance to 124 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: this country, you are pledging allegiance to white supremacy and patriarchy. 125 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: You are pledging allegiance right to their ability to oppress people. 126 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: And then guests like the fuck out of them. You know, 127 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: I remember, and this is not going to be popular, 128 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: and I don't give a fuck. In twenty fifteen, and 129 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: I've told this story before, in twenty fifteen, I had 130 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,599 Speaker 1: the great fortune to be able to go on a 131 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: journalistic retreat to Israel and Palestine. I am not a 132 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: foreign correspondent. I am not somebody that has been steeped 133 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: in and educated in foreign affairs, let alone the complications 134 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: and the layers of complications in the Middle East. But 135 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: I was invited on this trip because I am an 136 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: activist and I am somebody that has fought for social justice, 137 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: racial justice, LGBTQ quality, women's rights, all of these things 138 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: for a my entire career in different capacities. And I 139 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: remember talking to and head of an organization who was 140 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: in Israeli and he spoke about Israel and the conflict 141 00:10:54,800 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: as this place that, in the minds of Americans is 142 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: like a moral Disneyland, right, where the picture of Israel 143 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: being this democracy that is above reproach and that needs 144 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: to be protected at all costs because it's surrounded by 145 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: these savage Middle Eastern countries. Right, And he goes, how 146 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: is it that your country that America provides billions of 147 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: dollars for us to displace brutalized and oppressed and not 148 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: even make into second class citizens, right, treat Palestinian people 149 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: like fucking animals. How do you call how do you 150 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: call Israel a democracy in the Middle East when half 151 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: of its population have no rights and not only have 152 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: no rights, but are brutalized and placed and beaten and 153 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: shot and killed on a regular basis. And he referred 154 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: to it as moral Disneyland, this place where Jewish people 155 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: around the world are able to go to, right where 156 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: they are the majority. And I can imagine what that 157 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: feels like, right to be able to go to a 158 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: place where everyone is like you, where you're not the 159 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: only one. And how much pride that that can provide 160 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: you with? Right, how much joy the feeling of safety? 161 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: Right you don't have to explain things. They just are 162 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: Except that isn't Israel, right, just like the United States 163 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: claims to be a democracy, claims to be a country 164 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: that is about being the home of the brave and 165 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: the land of the free. Except if you are a 166 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: person of color, if you are a queer person, if 167 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: you are a person of the Muslim faith, if you 168 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: are Jewish, if you are a woman like you are 169 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: not free here with each and every one of those groups, 170 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: and God forbid you embody multiple identities that are marginalized. 171 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: Your experience is not a freedom. Your experience is not 172 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: necessarily of thriving. It is surviving an institution, a complex 173 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: system that was created for at about your subjugation. This 174 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: is not like conspiracy theory. This is like, learn your 175 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: fucking history here, so you have the realization, once the 176 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: fucking gain that it wasn't just this crazy man Donald 177 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: Trump standing up in front of a crowd telling them 178 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: to go take back their country. That it was an organized, tactical, strategic, 179 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: almost successful strategy to overthrow the government. It wasn't just 180 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: And what pisces me off even more is the constant 181 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: of chattering in mainstream news as if it was about 182 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: overturning an election. No, it wasn't. The election is fundamental 183 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: to a democracy that is about being for and by 184 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: the people. This was about overturning democracy right and ending 185 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: free and fair elections. Like language fucking matters. And I 186 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: can't presume any more that mainstream media just doesn't get it. 187 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: I think that they absolutely do. But they are also 188 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: part of the fucking problem. You know, when I interviewed 189 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: Congressman Jamal Bowman right before the holiday break, you know, 190 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: we were talking about how much money is in politics, 191 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: and how both groups, Democrats and Republicans both serve the 192 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: same fucking master, which is capitalism, which is money. Right, 193 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: And so when your interests right are not actually about 194 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: the people, when your interests are better aligned with profits, 195 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: then you get really hazy and the types of things 196 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: that you're willing to support and admit. Mainstream media isn't 197 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: going to come out and do the quote unquote right thing. 198 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: And I say consistently and tell I'm horse in the 199 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: fucking throat, like tell the truth, because where do they 200 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: get their money from other people that are invested monetarily, emotionally, 201 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: spiritually in white supremacy. So it does not behoove them 202 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: to tell the truth, because then they'll lose their sponsors, 203 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: they'll lose their ads. This is the line that they 204 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: tell themselves. I don't want to see more headlines about 205 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: extremism unless we're gonna be honest about who the fuck 206 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: the extremists are. I don't care about their sob story 207 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: of how they fucking got that way. They got that 208 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: way because America has created a public education system that 209 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: is more about propaganda about how great America is rather 210 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: than telling the fucking truth that we are able to 211 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: build upon. We sing hymns and songs, right, we talk 212 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: about apple pie and baseball and football. We waive flats 213 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: on the fourth of July, without actually having any fucking 214 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: context as to what it means to be independent, about 215 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: what it means to be free. So now you're in 216 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: a situation where you have these white far right extremist 217 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: terrorist organizations that are co opting language about patriotism and 218 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: freedom and the choices about how they're going to fight 219 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: and show up, and they are fucking telling us in 220 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: broad daylight what they are doing. They're telling us on 221 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: every social media platform what their plans are, what their desires, are, 222 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: and we're still sitting around going, oh, we need more information. 223 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: It's like we're waiting for the bullets to fly and 224 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: from the bombs to drop, and then in that dusk 225 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: coming down much like and don't look up, it'll be like, 226 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: oh shit, we should have done something. Every day, every 227 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: day that goes by that the architects behind the attempt 228 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: to overthrow our democracy are not in jail, is another 229 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: day lost, and another day they win and gain on 230 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: their side. Right now, there is a court case in 231 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: North Carolina about the Republican parties lying as jerrymandering that 232 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: they are doing to ensure that North Carolina remains a 233 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: Republican by adding additional seats right and taking away democratic 234 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: democratic seats. Three panel judges right, who are elected by 235 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: God knows who get to decide. We still think that 236 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: we're functioning in this place where justice is actually blind, 237 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: where these judges are beyond reproach. When I am telling 238 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: you these same judges, these same people are a part 239 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: of these fucking groups, y'all. I can't you know. Some 240 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: days I tell you that I feel crazy, like I 241 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: feel like I am seeing the end, and it's like 242 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: you are just screaming into a black hole for people 243 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: to wake the fuck up before the comment actually hits, 244 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: and everybody is just staring at the goddamn floor. We 245 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: are in serious fucking trouble. We have but a handful 246 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: of months, and I'm listening to Joe Mansion. Talk to 247 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: me about the filibuster and how he is beyond changing 248 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: the rules of the Senate. Then start calling the man 249 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: the fucking grim reaper of democracy, the executioner of democracy. 250 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: Start using language that expresses the urgency of the moment 251 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: that we are in, and it presents to the public 252 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: exactly what this man is doing. Don't ask him questions 253 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: about the childcare tax credit and build back better. Don't 254 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: ask him bullshit policy questions. Ask him why he doesn't 255 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: care about democracy. Ask him if he's caught a deal 256 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: with Republicans that when they take over with their Authoriturian regime, 257 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: right when they take over with their fascism and their kleptocracy, 258 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: was he cut into the deal. Let's just get real 259 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: about what the fuck is going on and stop pretending 260 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: like we don't know or that we need more information. 261 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how much more information the Department of 262 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: Justice needs in order to take action, or Joe Biden 263 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: needs in order to get the fuck rid of Merritt Garland, 264 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: who's sitting around like doing what exactly unclear. If the 265 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: people that we elected are not going to take action, 266 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: then it is time that the people start to take action. 267 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: That's where we are moving. Coming up next, friends, is 268 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: my conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel 269 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: to bring us the latest on COVID nineteen, on Omicron, 270 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: on Flerona, on del Macron, and whatever the fuck else 271 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: is going to be coming down the pike. Folks. It 272 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: is the new year, but we have some of our 273 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: favorite familiar faces. Doctor Jonathan Metzel is back with us 274 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: for another round of who's got COVID? Coming up in 275 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: the year twenty twenty two. Jonathan, Happy new year to you, 276 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: Happy happy New Year, and happy new year everyone out there. So, Jonathan, 277 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: we ended last year with talking about Omicron and you 278 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: giving once again. You're very and you know, I want 279 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: to tell you this. Folks who listen to the show 280 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: woke a f audience members DM me or message and 281 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: they say, you know what, Jonathan hasn't been wrong in 282 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: two years. They and they're like, I listened to him. 283 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: I pay attention when he says this is going to 284 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: take over. I pay attention when he says folks need 285 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: to change out their masks and wear better masks. I 286 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: listen to him when he tells us that we need to, 287 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, self test and like be a lot more 288 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: conscious of who we're engaging within house. So I want 289 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: you to know, just as we start this new year, 290 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: that you have been giving some sage advice, some funny jokes, 291 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: and just like helping people feel a little bit more 292 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: sure in this very uncertain times. And I just want 293 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: to appreciate you for that and continuing to ride with 294 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: us here on woke app So let me let me 295 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: just say before you go on, well, thank you everybody. 296 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been getting nice messages on Twitter DM 297 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: also that are just about that. But you know, it's 298 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: it's we're all dealing with the same information, they all 299 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: same uncertain and stuff like that. So it's such a 300 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: function of like our conversation, right in other words, I 301 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: feel like between you and I we come up with reason, 302 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: We try to make reason out of all this chaos. 303 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: And so right back at you, because I think it's 304 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: really a function of our of our conversation and the 305 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: way we're kind of on the same wave length about 306 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: just trying to make sense of all this for people. Yeah, 307 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean, and I think that you know, as we're 308 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: moving on, what are we seeing that, like, things aren't 309 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: really getting that much better? Right? And so the most 310 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,239 Speaker 1: sense that we can make to give you all that 311 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: are listening a little bit more peace of mind or 312 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: at least feeling like you're not alone when you're feeling crazy, 313 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: I think is going to be key to our emotional, physical, 314 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: and mental well being. So, Jonathan, at the end of 315 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, just a couple of weeks ago you 316 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: came on, omicron was not in our lexicon the way 317 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: it is now. It also didn't infect three hundred thousand 318 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: plus people a day in the United States the way 319 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: that it is now. I want to ask you first, 320 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: I mean, for you, for your friends in the medical community. 321 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: Are you just like dumb struck by how fast this 322 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: variant has moved. It's funny. When I first saw the 323 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: mutation profile of this, this one mutation, in other words, 324 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: having over thirty mutations on the spike protein alone, I 325 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: knew we were in trouble. Like, this is the kind 326 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: of this. It's not the worst case scenario. It's the 327 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: next or worst case scenario that people have been worried about, 328 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: which is the spike protein is kind of like where 329 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: it hooks into your body, right, And so all the 330 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: vaccines that we have target for the most part, the 331 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 1: spike protein, not the body of the virus. And so 332 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: when I thought, man, this spike protein is so changed 333 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: that it's just, you know, we don't have a defense 334 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: against this thing quite yet, right. It's it's it's almost 335 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: a totally different virus. And so in the very beginning 336 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: when I first read about it, I thought, oh, that's 337 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: not good. We're in trouble. And the other part, of course, 338 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: is with that many mutations, it also it hangs in 339 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: the air longer, It is much more. It just hooks 340 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: on to any mucosa much more intensely, and so you 341 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: don't just have mucosa in your mouth, you have it 342 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: in your eyes, you have it in your nose. And 343 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: so it can also kind of not to be too graphic, 344 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: get in different ways. And so part of the issue 345 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: is this was just like a monster mutation. Now that 346 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, the relatively good thing, which doesn't feel very 347 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: good on a day to day level. Is it's non lethal, 348 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: right because it happens to the mutations made it less 349 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: likely to hook into your lungs, but it still can 350 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: get into your brain, get into your heart, get into 351 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: all these other areas that do make you worry about 352 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: long COVID, which I think is the main issue. But 353 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: it's not going to suffocate you, and so that's a 354 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: good thing. But I will say, oh micron just you know, 355 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: that's what I call it, still the big oh Oscar Robertson. 356 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: It hangs out, it hangs in the air, it's transmissible, 357 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: It takes hardly any contact to spread, and so in 358 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: a way, it's kind of a perfect storm of a 359 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: bunch of different things that make it just I mean, 360 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: look at the infection ratio in a place like Nashville 361 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: right now. It's it's we're at Bangladesh levels, We're at 362 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: Measles levels. So yeah, it's it's one of the more 363 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: transibissimal things we've ever seen. Really, So when we you 364 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: know here in the media right that O macron is spreading, 365 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: and at the rate it's spreading, it's going to burn 366 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: itself out. And you and I have had this conversation 367 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: offline about it burning itself out, meaning that it's spreading 368 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: so fast. There's only so much any hosts, right, so 369 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: many bodies that it's going to be able to enter 370 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: before it has infected everything. Talk to me more about this, 371 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: and also about the fact that you know what the 372 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: news has been is that, well, the symptoms are mild, 373 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: but the symptoms are only mild caveat if you are 374 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: vaccinated and boosted. Correct. I still don't think we know 375 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: what it means to have mild symptoms. We all know 376 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: people who have COVID who have had a headache for 377 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: three weeks and can't catch the rest quite yet, and 378 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I don't think we quite know. 379 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: I don't think we quite know what mild means. Certainly 380 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: people are I mean I follow hospitalization rates and those 381 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: are going crazy, and I want to know how many 382 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: people who are hospitalized are vaccinated and boosted. I bet 383 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: you it's not zero. And so I think we're still 384 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: in the same calculus in a certain kind of way. 385 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's certainly better to have than the other 386 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: versions if you weren't vaccinated, but there it raises as 387 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: many questions as it answers how long is the booster 388 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: good for? How long has the vaccine good for? Will 389 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: this thing find escape mutations, which I'm sure it will, 390 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: that will get around all that, what's the rate of 391 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: infection vaccinated versus non vaccinated people? And so I don't know. 392 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot, there are a lot of questions right 393 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: now that I think we don't know the answer to. 394 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: And I still am going to say. I mean, for me, 395 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: the existential question is should people just run out and 396 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: get it because it's mild and then have some body defense. 397 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: That's kind of what rents through my mind all the time. 398 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: And I still think, if you can help it, it's 399 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: better to not get it until we know some of 400 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: these answers and until some other better treatments come along 401 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: the pike, you know, And you know, to your point, 402 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: one of the things that you had been saying on 403 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: this show, and it sticks with me and I regurgitate 404 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: it often is that when there's so much virus that 405 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: is in the air, right, when so much virus is 406 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: in the air, you say that it's more likely it's 407 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: more likely to mutate like continue like we will. It's 408 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: more likely that we will get a new variant quicker 409 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: than if not. So can you just speak to that again, 410 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: that like that rationale of how much virus is in 411 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: the air and what that actually means. Well, I get 412 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: the most terrifying, daunting and just kind of awesome part 413 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: of all this, right, is that the virus. I mean, 414 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: think about it. When we started talking six weeks ago, 415 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: there was like one pellette of omicron in the world, 416 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: and now it's in every room in every house on 417 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: the entire planet. Like that's some pretty impressive lilypad math, right, 418 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: And so part of the story is this, this thing 419 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: is dividing so quickly, and it doesn't always divide at 420 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: a perfect copy of itself. It divides with a little 421 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, when I got eighty percent there, or the 422 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: whole thing didn't download there. It's that's always happening, and 423 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: and it's mt It's mutating all the time right now. 424 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: M But the issue is every once in a while, 425 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: one of these mutations will will give it a strategic 426 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: advantage in terms of what it it's main goal is, 427 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: which is to um more people. It infect more people. Yeah, 428 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: I was going to use the dolomite ffa mother efforts 429 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: but I think that's that's kind of that, that's what 430 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: it does. Um. And so when it gets an advantage, 431 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: then it pushes out the other one. Usually usually that's 432 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 1: what happens. And so it's more like the engagement of 433 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: the virus and the host. We're the host. Um, you know, 434 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: we should put out cocktail napkins. Yeah, that kind of thing. 435 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: So so yeah, so it's always mutating, and the question 436 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: is does one mutation give it an advantage over over 437 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: the other. And the reason I say that is because 438 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: think about other terrible virus as you know, al stuff 439 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: like that. Um, they mutate to the point where they 440 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: become super lethal, but they become so lethal that they 441 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: just kill the host and then they don't they don't spread, 442 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: they're easier to contain. In a way, the fact that 443 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: the big oh Oscar Robertson is not lethal and is 444 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: mild actually gives it an advantage because it's not killing 445 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: people and so it has zillions of different hosts and 446 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So that's kind of the trade off. 447 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: Uh huh huh. Either way, it doesn't sound really great. Um. Okay, 448 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: so I learned two new words yesterday, UM that I 449 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: never actually wanted to learn. Wasn't looking for new words 450 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: to stop my vocabulary at all. I thought I was 451 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: fairly good, But yesterday I learned about del macron and 452 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: flew Rona, both uh discussed in the Daily Beast and 453 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: in the Israeli Times where flew Rona was found and 454 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: flew Rona, folks, as I said yesterday, is basically a 455 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: combo effect of the flu and covid, and then delmicron 456 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: is a combo effect of having both delta and amicron 457 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: at the same time. Jonathan, can you shed any light 458 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: on these combo variants that we're looking at? And right 459 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: now there was only one case of flu orna in 460 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: Israel and they have also, at the same time, are 461 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: rolling out a fourth shot, a fourth shot. They were 462 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: the first to roll out the third shot, the booster shot. 463 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: Now they're rolling out a fourth shot that was just 464 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,959 Speaker 1: approved for those that are over sixty five, I believe, 465 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: and those with serious immunodeficiency. Can you speak to what 466 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: you've heard thus far on that, well, it's not surprising, 467 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: and I think I want to just say to everybody first, 468 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: this strategy really should be the same, which is, if 469 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: there's a way to night get this stuff, which is 470 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: to trust the people you trust, wear a mask around 471 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: everybody else, have a good mask and N ninety five mask, 472 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: or what I do when I go out, which is 473 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: an N ninety five with a K on ninety five 474 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: on top. Surprisingly not that hard to breathe, relatively speaking. 475 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: In that wash your hands all that stuff. Now it 476 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: seems like, oh my god, that crap advice again. But 477 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: the point is that there, as I was saying before, 478 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: there flu is seasonal, right, so we know that flu 479 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: is going to get bad for the next couple of 480 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: weeks and then it'll dip down, and there are there 481 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: is hope on the horizon. One about the speed at 482 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: which the Big O went up and then went down 483 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: in South Africa, and so it seems like it burned 484 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: itself out in South Africa. That might be happening in 485 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: the UK also, And so in that sense, this isn't 486 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: like a permanent state of emergency. It's something that should 487 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: be improving this part of it by by mid February. 488 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: And the other part that's important is that there are 489 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 1: new anti viral drugs coming out from Visor and other 490 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: places that actually could be effective treatments for people who 491 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: get it and then can take the pills and it 492 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: won't lead to serious illness. And so if you can 493 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: hold on for another couple of weeks, I actually think 494 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: there's going to be you know, some some better news 495 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: coming down the way. And so again it's it's it's 496 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: almost impossible for a lot of people to avoid this 497 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: because people are in and out of their house and 498 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: they have kids going to school and stuff like that. 499 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: But if you can just hold on for another couple 500 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: of weeks, I do really think that we're going to 501 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: turn the corner on a couple of these things. Now 502 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: getting to your question, why why is that important? Right? Um, 503 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: there are a couple of reasons. One is because again 504 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: we're going into flu season. And as if you need 505 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: more good, cheerful stuff, I'm and again I love puppies, 506 00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: peonies smell wonderful. I love you know, a sunny day. 507 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: But I don't love the flu vaccine this year because 508 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: they got the wrong strain of the flu, and so 509 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: the flu vaccine is important to get it, but it 510 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: just ain't going to work, and so and so we 511 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: really don't help work. Well, it's like a crapshoot. It's 512 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: kind of like the lottery the flu vaccine like they're 513 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: nine zillion. It's like trying to predict how the flu 514 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: is going to mutate, right, and it's changing all the time, 515 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 1: but you're trying to do it in advance of the flu. 516 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: And so our flu vaccines, kind of similar to our 517 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: covid vaccines, are trying to anticipate what kind of mutation 518 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: is going to be and then targeting just that one 519 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: specific mutation. And now there are new kinds of vaccines 520 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: that people are experiment rending with that are PAN category 521 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: PAN coronavirus PAN flu vaccine. So there might be a 522 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: new kind of vaccine coming as soon as next year. 523 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, but they just have to guess 524 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: which which strain it is, and this year they happen 525 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: to gets wrong. Now it's it's like a crapshoot, right, 526 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: And so we don't have a ton of defense against 527 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: the flue. We do have, you know, lovely things about 528 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: our species again, you know, um, black light posters, um, 529 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: you know the el Um you know ced nightclubs, the 530 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: Elton John ninth Reunion tour. All these things are all 531 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: great about humanity, But predicting the flu vaccine this year 532 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: was not our strong suit. And so the point is 533 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: we don't have a ton of defense. You should get 534 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: the flu vaccine, but it's not it's going to be 535 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: like thirty percent effective as opposed to better than that. 536 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: So this is a totally different virus. And so it's 537 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: not surprising that you could get the big O and 538 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: the Big F together. UM. And I bet we'll I 539 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: bet we'll see more of it um neither or lethal. 540 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: But I hate to think what they're like together now, Um, 541 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: Delta and the big Oh, that's a different story. UM. 542 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: And again the advice is the same, get vaccinated because 543 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: the vaccine is super effective against Delta UM and it 544 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: has I think the potential to be helpful for against 545 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: illness for Oscar Robertson also UM. And so I would say, 546 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: you know, I just I bet we'll be seeing more 547 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: of this kind of thing because all these vas, all 548 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: these viruses are circulating. Now. If you want the take 549 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 1: home point, that's the pessimistic takeome point. Sorry, was I 550 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 1: was I supposed to be looking for good news and things? 551 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: You just said over black light posters? Got it? Yeah? Um? 552 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: And uh I've got over here after we're done I've 553 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: got a jar of peanut butter and jelly mixed together 554 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: in the same in the same thing, virtually symbolizing the 555 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: end of humanity. What I mean, I'm like, this is, 556 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: this is not a high po This is human ingenuity. 557 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: This is what people can do when they put their 558 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: minds to it. I mean, we made this as humans, 559 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: you know, like we we did this. So we did 560 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of great things, but predicting the flu vaccine 561 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: was not one of those great things. And and the 562 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: other thing is I guess the other concerning thing. Again, 563 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm not sponsored by Goober, Goober Goober, I'm not sponsored 564 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: by Googer, but I will say that just like peanut 565 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: butter and jelly coexist in Goober, apparently Delta and the 566 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: Big O can coexist out there in the world. And 567 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: to me, the concerning part about this, and they're very 568 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: different viruses, so we have different viruses circulating all the time. 569 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,439 Speaker 1: But what's concerning is that you would think the Big 570 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: O would come and push out Delta Delta, but that's 571 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: not what happened. They actually can co exist. And so 572 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: that's the concerning part is we're actually seeing a twin twins, 573 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: right now again, get vaccinated and wear masks. I just 574 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: I like, at some point, at some point, this all 575 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: has to stop, right So okay, so here's the question 576 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: for you. Oh yeah, let me say I'm optimistic. I'm 577 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: optimistic mid February mosh pit. You know, like I'm I'm optimistic. 578 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: You know that until the next variant comes, we're developing 579 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: a lot of species immunity, and we are also working 580 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: on pan pan category vaccines that I think will also 581 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: became changers. So yeah, I think, I think believe it. 582 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: And how how often am I optimistic? Like once every 583 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: three years, and I would say I'm actually optimistic right now. Okay. 584 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,439 Speaker 1: So the last thing is the CDC, who I no 585 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: longer have faith in and can't fucking stand. And the 586 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: reality is to me that the CDC is, much like 587 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: every other place and space, a bunch of humans that 588 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: are pushed by capitalism and you know, and are making 589 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: decisions based on capitalism and politics and not necessarily the 590 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: public health. I say all this to say because the 591 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: decision that Wilenski and others made to make a pivot 592 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: from the ten day quarantine to five days so that 593 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: Americans could get right back to work to me, signals 594 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: that we are not as the Biden administration told us 595 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: when they took over, following the science, that instead we 596 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: are following what CEOs need? What were your what are 597 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: your thoughts about the move from ten to five days? 598 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: And also right now thousands of schools are out of session, 599 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: but thousands more remain in and we know that there 600 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: was no barrier that was created between the massive gathering 601 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: holiday season and our kids are returning to school and 602 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: folks are returning to war. I tweeted earlier in the week. 603 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: I don't understand this shouldn't have been rocket science. Why 604 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: didn't we just have remote learning for two weeks? People 605 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: be at home for two weeks for work and then 606 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: like lesson right, even if you were sick, you would 607 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: have been home and then you test in to go back. Yeah. 608 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean I think we got caught with a kind 609 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: of exponential spread that we did not anticipate. Right. We 610 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: were our system was great for the last for Delta. 611 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: We were we were just rocking Delta, right, and so 612 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: everything we built, everything we strategized was for Delta, and 613 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: then um oh Microme came and it just it was 614 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: like a I just don't even think, you know, you 615 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: put you put ten thousand virologists in a room and 616 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: tell them to predict what's the next mutation going to be. 617 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: I bet nobody would have predicted this. It was just 618 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: so out of the blue, out of the ordinary, unexpected, 619 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: and so I think there was a scramble because they 620 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: were and I'm saying this, you know, is the positive spin. 621 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: And I have no idea that the CDC was being 622 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: forced to be experts about a virus that it did 623 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: not know anything about. It just didn't It didn't know 624 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: the spread, it didn't know the incubation period, it didn't 625 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: know the infection ratio. And so I think there's a 626 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: lot of ketchup because on one hand, people demand answers, 627 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, these are existential issues, and on the other hand, 628 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: people the CDC is flying. It's it's flying blind in 629 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: a way, and it's also decimated from the years of 630 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: neglect and everything the Trump administration did to it. And 631 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: it's also terrible at messaging, right and so and so 632 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: it does seem to have made the same mistake that 633 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: it did when it just told everybody masks and then 634 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: no masks, like these these announcements come out of nowhere, 635 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: and they seemed to. They seem to just catch everybody 636 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,040 Speaker 1: by surprise and have and there's no lead up to 637 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: it and things like that, And so I think really 638 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: that's the issue is if you can transparently explain to 639 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: people what's happening, I think you'll just get a lot 640 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: more support, because without that it opens the door to 641 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:18,280 Speaker 1: all kinds of concern, resentment, conspiracy, you know, valid and 642 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: and in this case, I do think it's fair if 643 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: the CDC said to people, we're balancing the economy versus 644 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: the health or something like that, and we can't have 645 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: one with the other, and they both go together. And 646 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: if somebody is asymptomatic and test positive, and five days 647 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: after they test positive, if they can then test negative, 648 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: they can come out of quarantine, and that's our plan. 649 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: Something like that. Just you know, what would Trump do. 650 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 1: He'd have a big, big carnival, you know, press announcement 651 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: or something like that. And so they didn't do any 652 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 1: of that stuff. But again, the knowledge is changing every day, 653 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: so I think I can see why it's hard. But 654 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: I would also say I with you at the end 655 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: of that long preamble that I do think that their 656 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: messaging is still bad after all this, I mean, I 657 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: just think it's atrocious and I and I also it 658 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: does not help that then you have the AP and 659 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: and routers, you know, coming out with the letter that 660 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 1: the Delta CEO wrote that says I'm losing my staff, right, 661 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: So it's it's not as if we're we're and I 662 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: keep telling people, we're at a time when you need 663 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: to be intellectually nimble, but the CDC is making it 664 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: really difficult for you to trust them, right and trust 665 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: that they have your best interests in mind. And I'm like, 666 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,839 Speaker 1: we're already at a time when misinformation has won over, right, 667 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: when lies are just are rampant, and we have distrust 668 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: in all of our agencies thanks to Trump. I think 669 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: that the reality is is that you it's not okay 670 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: for us to keep saying like, oh, their messaging is 671 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: just bad. Messaging is everything. And that's that they that 672 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: like Democrats don't get the CDC doesn't get this administration 673 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: doesn't get is like messaging matters. This is the thing 674 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,439 Speaker 1: that Republicans are really great at. And it doesn't matter 675 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: that they don't tell the truth because they know how 676 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,720 Speaker 1: to get the information out, And I just I really 677 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 1: worry because one, I do think that you're right. I 678 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: think that by you know, mid February, early early March, 679 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: I think that Omicron will have burned itself out. I 680 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: think that, you know, we will have a better understanding 681 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: of the booster rate. Do we need them every four months? 682 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,359 Speaker 1: Do we need them every six months? You know, if 683 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: you get a booster once a year, like, you're good 684 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,240 Speaker 1: to go. But I also know that if we're following 685 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: the patterns from twenty twenty till now, that by the 686 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: time summer comes, there will be another fucking variant, right, Like, 687 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: that's the way that we have been working, is that 688 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: we have these short couple of months of good times 689 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: are here again, and then we fall off a cliff. Yeah, 690 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what happens. This virus is becoming endemic, right, 691 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: So that's what happens, right, That's the pattern. And I 692 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: do think that if there's anything of what we're saying 693 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: right now that we can do as a species in 694 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: a country is to improve the science communication. Like I 695 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: think there's a kind of universal need for that. Now. 696 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: It's hard, of course, because if you're in New York, 697 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: if you also have state communication, whereas if you're in 698 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:35,720 Speaker 1: Florida you have you know, the Coco Pebbles organization or whoever. 699 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: And so but I do think that the need for 700 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 1: I mean, it's weird because like when I interview conservatives 701 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: and Trump supporters and everybody like that, they all say, 702 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: we want objective, we want objective communications. So I do 703 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: think there's a need for communication right now that there 704 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 1: is better. We need to improve our science communication infrastructure. 705 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how that happens in this environment. But again, 706 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,760 Speaker 1: because this is because because this is an endemic situation 707 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: where this is not our last rodeo, I think you're 708 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:11,879 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right well, Jonathan, as always, we appreciate you 709 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: so much. We are happy to have you back in 710 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. We will continue this conversation as we 711 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: learn more. Folks. And I haven't said this in a while, 712 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 1: but if you're not following Jonathan on social media, you 713 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,240 Speaker 1: should be. He tweets, he shares articles, he writes articles, 714 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: He pushes out content on a regular basis so that 715 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: you can keep up to date outside of just our 716 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: weekly wonderful conversations. Jonathan, thank you, thank you, thank you, 717 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,839 Speaker 1: and and let me just say in closing that I 718 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: think it's such a weird time for expert knowledge. Like 719 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: three years ago, it's like you go to the doctor, 720 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,399 Speaker 1: the doctor diagnoses you, you get the treatment, you'll even now, 721 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of like we have to be very humble 722 00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: about what expertise is at this moment right because there 723 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: are so many paradigms and there's so much uncertainty, and 724 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: expert knowledge changes every five seconds along with every mutation 725 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: and everything that happens, and so humility is I think 726 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 1: the key right now. And again we'll just keep figuring 727 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 1: this out together because again, this issue unfortunately is not 728 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: not going anywhere anytime soon. No, it is not. That 729 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 1: is it for me today, Dear friends on Woke app, 730 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: Let's take a collective breath. Power to the people and 731 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 1: to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke 732 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: as fuck.