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Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 2: We have a duty to keep January sixth alive. President

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Speaker 2: Trump issued pardons, but that's only the beginning. We have

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Speaker 2: to make sure it never happens again. One way we

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Speaker 2: keep it alive is by telling the stories of the

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Speaker 2: political prisoners, and that's what they were, political prisoners persecuted

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Speaker 2: by the Biden Department of Justice. We have to find

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Speaker 2: out who orchestrated it and hold those people accountable. Here

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Speaker 2: first hand accounts from John Strand and Brandon Straka, two

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Speaker 2: men who were arrested, jailed, and nearly financially ruined for

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Speaker 2: simply being at the Capitol on January sixth, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: They sit down with Prager U CEO Marissa streit It

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Speaker 2: maybe Street, I hope I'm getting that right to share

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Speaker 2: why they went to d C, what they witnessed, and

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Speaker 2: how that day unfortunately changed their lives forever.

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Speaker 3: Brandon and John, welcome back to Priger.

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Speaker 1: You.

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Speaker 3: As many of you know, we describe Pegger you as

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Speaker 3: the clay Pots the truth of what has happened in

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Speaker 3: American history, and both of you experienced January six in

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Speaker 3: different ways. And what I would like to do is

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Speaker 3: to get to the bottom line truth, so that those

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Speaker 3: of us who have been watching you throughout these last

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Speaker 3: few years can get some serious answers about what happened

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Speaker 3: on this historical day in America. So why don't we

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Speaker 3: start with what brought you to Washington, DC? On January sixth?

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Speaker 3: To begin with why did you even go there? Brandon?

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Speaker 4: I was a scheduled speaker at a permitted event that

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Speaker 4: was happening on Capitol grounds.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people don't know that.

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Speaker 4: Originally the plannel along was that President Trump was going

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Speaker 4: to speak at the Ellipse and there was going to

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Speaker 4: be a march from the Ellipse to the Capitol, and

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Speaker 4: that there was a second stage set up on a

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Speaker 4: lot on Capitol grounds. Dozens of people were scheduled to speak.

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Speaker 1: I was one of them.

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Speaker 4: So I was on my way to my speaking engagement

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Speaker 4: when I started getting text messages from people all over

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Speaker 4: the country, friends and family who were watching on television saying,

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Speaker 4: we're hearing that there's some sort of disruption at the

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Speaker 4: Capitol and people are going inside the building. And that's

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Speaker 4: when my experience began.

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Speaker 3: And John, what brought you to DC on January sixth?

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Speaker 5: So I'm the creative director at a nonprofit called America's

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Speaker 5: Frontline Doctors, and the founder was scheduled at the very

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Speaker 5: same event that Brandon was. So I was in town working.

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Speaker 3: Who organized this event and what happened to the event?

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Speaker 3: Did the event just not happened? Why did you go

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Speaker 3: from an event to the Capitol?

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Speaker 4: The event at the Capital didn't happen because while President

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Speaker 4: Trump was speaking. What happened on January sixth began while

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Speaker 4: President Trump was still speaking. Which is why it's so

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Speaker 4: ridiculous that people blame President Trump, because, you know, the

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Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it, the riot at the

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Speaker 4: Capitol began while President Trump was still speaking.

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Speaker 1: Many we did at the Ellipse.

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Speaker 4: So President Trump was speaking at the Ellipse, and then

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Speaker 4: there was which is on my or so from the Capitol, and.

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Speaker 1: So there was supposed to be him speaking.

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Speaker 4: The march to the Capitol and this second event with

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Speaker 4: all of these different speakers, and none of us knew this,

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Speaker 4: of course, because we were sitting outside watching the President speak.

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Speaker 4: So we just headed to the Capitol to fulfill our

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Speaker 4: on the way, I started hearing that something was going on,

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Speaker 4: there was some sort of disruption at the Capitol. I

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Speaker 4: don't believe anything that the news says. So my thought was,

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Speaker 4: I have a large social media following, I've got a

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Speaker 4: camera in my pocket. If in fact something's happening, I'm

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Speaker 4: going to film it for myself to put it out

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Speaker 4: so that people can see whatever it is that I'm

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Speaker 4: hearing what is actually going on. And so as I

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Speaker 4: was approaching the Capital from the east side, that's when

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Speaker 4: I started shooting a video which I shot for eight

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll talk more about that, But John, I

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Speaker 3: want to understand. So you were supposed to be speaking

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Speaker 3: at a basically a frontline doctor's type of event where

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Speaker 3: the President was going to speak as well.

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Speaker 5: The President spoke at the Ellipse in the morning at

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Speaker 5: an event that was scheduled far in advance, with a

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Speaker 5: that same event. It's called Section eight, was the area

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Speaker 5: riot or any other sort of conflict, there was the

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Speaker 5: who first entered into the Capitol breaking a window to

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Speaker 5: get inside, and then on opening a door so that

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Speaker 5: people could walk through, and it devolved from there over

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Speaker 5: a period of time. But that was while President Trump

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Speaker 5: of course, of several hours later, there were many many

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Speaker 5: people that had been slowly making their way over towards

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Speaker 5: the Capitol building, both on the west side and the

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Speaker 3: So both of you were heading towards the Capitol around

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Speaker 3: the time that others have already made it into the Capitol,

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Speaker 3: is that correct? From the east side, And Brandon, you

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Speaker 3: actually have a video of that experience, So maybe we

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Speaker 3: can just take us through this moment as we watch

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Speaker 3: the video that you recorded here it is. So you're

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Speaker 3: walking and this is your camera.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is me filming. This is the east side

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Speaker 1: of the Capitol.

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Speaker 4: Now it's important for people to understand the violence and

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Speaker 4: the destruction and people entering the Capitol had happened on

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Speaker 4: the west side of the building, the opposite side of

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Speaker 4: where I was, and it had happened earlier before I

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Speaker 4: got there. So I'm walking up the east side steps

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Speaker 4: and this is around two forty pm. So if you

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Speaker 4: can see right there, those open barricades right there. So

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Speaker 4: the barricades were open, there were no science, no police officers.

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Speaker 3: This illegal. Are you not supposed to cross into here?

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Speaker 3: There are no there's there are no police.

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Speaker 1: Officers, correct.

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Speaker 4: So I committed my first felony the moment that I

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Speaker 4: crossed through those open barricades.

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Speaker 3: Alleged felony.

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Speaker 4: I guess well, I was charged. I mean I was

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Speaker 4: walking through that gate.

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Speaker 1: The felony was called knowingly occupying restricted grounds.

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Speaker 4: So they claim that I knew by opening walking through

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Speaker 4: of occupying restricted grounds. No one ever explained to me

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Speaker 3: And so all of these people that are on these

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Speaker 1: All felons, all felons, correct.

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Speaker 3: Well, but there are no police officers around.

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Speaker 1: That's correct. That's correct.

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Speaker 3: So okay, So you keep walking and and and and

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Speaker 3: why were you walking in to I guess chronicle as

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Speaker 3: a journalist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Again, I was on my way to my speaking engagement,

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Speaker 4: and I start getting these messages saying people were saying,

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Speaker 1: Something's going on.

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Speaker 4: And I thought to myself, as something's going on, I

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Speaker 4: want to see with my own eyes.

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Speaker 1: I don't really trust the media.

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Speaker 4: Remember this was after about what five six, seven, eight

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Speaker 4: months of the media telling us that mostly peaceful protests

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Speaker 4: the ground, I don't believe the media. So I thought

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Speaker 4: to myself, I have an opportunity to document firsthand with

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Speaker 4: I mean, people were making it sound like, you know,

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Speaker 4: calm and peaceful as far as I could say, people

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Speaker 4: riding bicycles. In a moment, you'll see a woman pushing

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Speaker 4: a baby stroller hardly, you know, attempt to overthrow the government.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually looking for police officers, but I don't see

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Speaker 3: any police officers. Okay, So you keep walking up the steps, right,

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Speaker 3: and let's look at the next video. As you make

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Speaker 3: to go into the building.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'd like to point something out before we

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Speaker 4: So right shortly before this moment, I climbed the steps

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Speaker 4: and at the top of the steps. In my video,

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Speaker 4: opened the doors. They're letting us in. We're going inside,

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Speaker 4: We're going inside. I repeated word for word what he said,

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Speaker 4: which is what he had just said. Later, when the

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Speaker 4: government charged me for January sixth, they removed that context.

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Speaker 4: And said that I stood outside of the building shouting

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Speaker 1: In fact, the doors were open.

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Speaker 3: And now you'll see do you know who opened those

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Speaker 1: Would you like to take that? Oh? Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: You also entered through the side the east side.

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Speaker 5: They're called the Columbus doors. Now, like I mentioned, the

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Speaker 5: initial insurgency happened on the west side. Someone broke a window,

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Speaker 5: But on this side the doors were closed for a

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Speaker 5: It seemed like they were just kind of stand around protesting,

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Speaker 5: but we got kind of squashed in that crowd there

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Speaker 5: Another thing that happened. But a few minutes after that

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Speaker 5: skirmish was sort of getting more wild. Suddenly the doors

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Speaker 5: footage we can see that people that had made their

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Speaker 5: east Columbus doors and a gentleman, George Tenney, pushed it open.

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Speaker 3: So by the time you arrived, those doors were open.

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Speaker 3: And what was the police instructing you to leave?

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Speaker 5: No, there was no at least instructing us of anything.

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Speaker 5: I was there earlier than Brandon was, so by the

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Speaker 5: time Brandon got there, the doors had already opened. They

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Speaker 5: were not opened when I arrived, although the bronze doors were.

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Speaker 5: So there's two sets of doors on the Columbus entrance,

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Speaker 5: very ornate, twenty thousand pound bronze doors which had swung open,

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Speaker 5: and then there's inner doors that are modern and those

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Speaker 5: Well, it wasn't that easy to get in. As you

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Speaker 1: It was basically like that that video that you're seeing.

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Speaker 3: Were there any sort of marching orders from either side?

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Speaker 5: Well from the president's perspective, when people say, oh, Trump

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Speaker 1: You couldn't see them. This is where we get to that.

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Speaker 3: So you were walking in through these doors and there

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Speaker 5: And I was looking and listening for it the entire time. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Well, that's Jacob Chancelly, who became known as the q

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm counting eight police officers around him. Why aren't

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Speaker 4: This is what I think is so frustrating about January sixth,

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Speaker 4: But the overwhelming narrative that was coming down was that

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Speaker 4: you were a part of this violent mob that had

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Speaker 4: this intention to go in and do destruction and you know,

442
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Speaker 4: at one point overthrow the government and try to harm

443
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Speaker 4: police officers and all this stuff that bears no resemblance

444
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Speaker 4: whatsoever to my experience. On January sixth, I got accused

445
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Speaker 4: of a lot of things that I didn't do, and

446
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 4: I even confess to things that I didn't do. But

447
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Speaker 4: for the vast majority of people, even people who entered

448
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Speaker 4: the building, they wentn't with the most innocent of intentions.

449
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Speaker 4: Many of them, I would argue, probably didn't even know

450
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Speaker 4: they were committing any kind of a crime, even if

451
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Speaker 4: that crime is misdemeanor trespassing. And maybe some people did

452
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Speaker 4: know that they were committing a crime. But up until

453
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Speaker 4: January sixth, entering a building that you weren't allowed to

454
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 4: go in was a fifty dollars citation. Right, we've seen

455
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Speaker 4: numerous instances of left wing protesters going in and disrupting

456
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Speaker 4: congressional hearings. They get a fifty dollars citation, and they're

457
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Speaker 4: dragged out of the building. They're not called insurrectionists, and

458
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Speaker 4: they're not stormed by the FBI and have their lives destroyed.

459
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Speaker 5: Right, that fifty dollars citation is handled not in a

460
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Speaker 5: district court, so there's no criminal record or anything of

461
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Speaker 5: that nature. And that's the standard. That's the well established

462
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Speaker 5: precedent for handling protest issues. So they completely departed from

463
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Speaker 5: precedent in many many ways. But that starting point is

464
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Speaker 5: actually a really important one.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you bring up the fact that there

466
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Speaker 3: were some things that happened that were clearly not okay

467
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Speaker 3: and clearly you know, criminal to some. I mean, there

468
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Speaker 3: are videos that I have watched where I was in

469
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Speaker 3: shock to see Americans behave that way. It doesn't matter

470
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Speaker 3: if they're from the right arm or the left. You

471
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Speaker 3: don't get to climb in through a window at the

472
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Speaker 3: Capitol and think that's totally fine to do. And I

473
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Speaker 3: would like you to react to some of these videos

474
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Speaker 3: that I was watching when I was home a week

475
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Speaker 3: after January sixth, condemning and saying that I'm really disappointed

476
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Speaker 3: to see this kind of behavior, and let you react

477
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Speaker 3: to that and possibly tell me whether these are things

478
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Speaker 3: that you witnessed while you're there or not. Okay. So

479
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Speaker 3: what are we look This looks like the barricade was open,

480
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: people charging. It's a compilation by one of the media

481
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Speaker 3: companies hammers, people climbing on the walls. So first of all,

482
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Speaker 3: did you see any of that when you were there

483
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Speaker 3: on January sixth?

484
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Speaker 4: No, Almost everything you're showing now is footage from the

485
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Speaker 4: west side of the building, and this was not the

486
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Speaker 4: experience of people on the east side of the building,

487
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Speaker 4: north north, or of the south. The other thing I

488
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Speaker 4: want to point out too, this is very important. People

489
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Speaker 4: like to say, you know, well, if you weren't there

490
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Speaker 4: with bad intentions, why were people wearing helmets, Why were

491
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Speaker 4: people wearing goggles? Why did people have pepper spray? Why

492
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Speaker 4: did people have these things? The reason why is because

493
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Speaker 4: January sixth was actually the third major march that had

494
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Speaker 4: happened in DC since the election. There was a major

495
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Speaker 4: march in November, there was a major march in December,

496
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Speaker 4: and then this one happened in January. Everyone was almost

497
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Speaker 4: the same, hundreds of thousands of people. And at the

498
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Speaker 4: march that happened in November and December, Antifa came out

499
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Speaker 4: in droves and were beating the hell out of old people,

500
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Speaker 4: mothers with young children, I mean literally attacking people in

501
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Speaker 4: the streets as they were walking around DC. So by

502
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Speaker 4: the third time that we had this event, people had

503
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Speaker 4: gotten wise and they were like, I'm gonna wear defensive gearrett.

504
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Speaker 4: People wore helmets, they wore off. They didn't bring those

505
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 4: things because they're like, we're gonna overthrow the government. They

506
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 4: brought those things because they thought we're not safe to

507
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Speaker 4: do a march in DC because all the police had

508
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Speaker 4: been ordered to stand out by Muryo Bowser, the mayor

509
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Speaker 4: of DC, and people were being assaulted and attacked. And

510
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Speaker 4: so even though I don't know any of these people,

511
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Speaker 4: I'm willing to actually go on a limb and say

512
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to condemn anyone who may have had

513
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Speaker 4: a hammer or something like that, because I don't believe

514
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Speaker 4: that they brought a hammer to go hit members of

515
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Speaker 4: Congress over the head with. I think they brought a

516
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Speaker 4: hammer to defend themselves if they got attacked by Antifa

517
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Speaker 4: on the way to the Capitol.

518
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Speaker 5: And that was definitely why a number of militia groups

519
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 5: were present as well. This is well established documented. You

520
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 5: can ask them these militia groups that have been so

521
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Speaker 5: defamed and amplified into these villains like the American Shaman,

522
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Speaker 5: like these leaders of the insurrection or whatnot. But these

523
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Speaker 5: militias were largely there with the intent to provide protection

524
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Speaker 5: and security of bystanders.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean by militias?

526
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Speaker 5: Well, for example, the Oathkeepers is a well known group

527
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Speaker 5: that was one of the most famous entities in the

528
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Speaker 5: JA six prosecutions. When I was doing the ceremonial march

529
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Speaker 5: from the Ellipse in the morning to the Capitol grounds

530
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Speaker 5: for the afternoon speech, we were chaper owned by several

531
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Speaker 5: oath keepers, gentlemen in uniform. It said oathkeepers. It probably

532
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Speaker 5: said security to help us get through the crowd safely,

533
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 5: just crowd management. And there were other militia groups. There's

534
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Speaker 5: many different motia groups throughout the United States, and they

535
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Speaker 5: generally have a core value system of upholding constitutional values

536
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Speaker 5: and patriotism. So they were supporting the patriotism aspect of

537
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Speaker 5: what was going on on January sixth, but they had

538
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Speaker 5: an interest in knowing that because of the previous two events.

539
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Speaker 5: Brandon mentioned that there was legitimate danger for protesters that

540
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Speaker 5: were at risk from counter protesting, which on the left

541
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Speaker 5: has often been very violent.

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Speaker 4: But I want to address your question though, too, because

543
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Speaker 4: I'm certainly not like a violence or destruction apologist. I

544
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Speaker 4: absolutely believe that there were people there on January sixth

545
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Speaker 4: who made really bad decisions, and I think it's a

546
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Speaker 4: combination of I think that some people made bad decisions

547
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Speaker 4: in a moment that they normally wouldn't have made, but

548
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Speaker 4: they found themselves in sort of a crowd, maybe even

549
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Speaker 4: say mob atmosphere, where something started happening with the crowd

550
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Speaker 4: and they got swept into that energy of the crowd.

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Speaker 1: That is a very real thing.

552
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Speaker 4: But the other side of that coin, too, is that

553
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Speaker 4: we just watched a bunch of moments without a lot

554
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Speaker 4: of context, and it's very easy to sort of cherry

555
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Speaker 4: pick these moments where people are behaving badly. Maybe they're

556
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Speaker 4: pushing a barricade into a police officer. But we now

557
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Speaker 4: know after looking at a lot of footage, there were

558
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Speaker 4: a lot of people that were standing peacefully on the

559
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Speaker 4: other side of the barricades and found themselves being flash

560
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 4: banged for no reason by police officers just standing there.

561
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Speaker 4: They were shooting rubber bullets. One man had a rubber

562
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Speaker 4: bullet shot into his face. People were standing there really

563
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: kind of mining their own business, and they became very

564
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Speaker 4: agitated by being flash banged and shot and things like that.

565
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Speaker 4: And it was after those things started happening the mob

566
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Speaker 4: surged forward and moved the barricades. Am I excusing it

567
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 4: or are apologizing for it? I'm not whatsoever, But I'm

568
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: saying it's important to understand the context of why a

569
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Speaker 4: lot of things happened because so many people made choices

570
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 4: that day that were not good, choices that they wouldn't

571
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 4: have normally made, but a lot of them made those

572
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Speaker 4: choices after violence was instigated against them.

573
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Speaker 1: It's such an important point.

574
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Speaker 5: A lot of those choices, even if they were wise

575
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 5: or not, may have been just instinctive and self defensive choices.

576
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Speaker 1: A lot of that was happening. There were certainly some just.

577
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Speaker 5: Bad choices that shouldn't have been made on the part

578
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 5: of protesters and police officers, but there was a lot

579
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Speaker 5: of instinct self defense and conflict that was generated by

580
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Speaker 5: government actions before and during if people have not seen it.

581
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Speaker 5: The real story of jan six is a piece done

582
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 5: by Joshua Philip and Epic Times where they interview a

583
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Speaker 5: government expert that his whole job is assessing the use

584
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 5: of force by police forces, and it is not just

585
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 5: a flippant comment or example here or there. Brandon did

586
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 5: a great job listing out some examples, but there is

587
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 5: a staggering amount of evidence to show that the government

588
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 5: operated wildly improperly, violating established use of force protocols, such

589
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 5: that it's clear what was going to happen I'm not

590
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 5: going to assess motives that they wanted that to happen.

591
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 5: I think you can follow those clues yourself. But there's

592
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Speaker 5: no doubt with the actions that were taken, the inevitable

593
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 5: result was going to be conflict. They created a riot.

594
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Speaker 5: That's definitely what happened.

595
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Speaker 4: Well, they and at the very least they certainly didn't

596
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: make good choices to prevent a riot, or put it

597
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 4: that way, because one thing I do know about Trump supporters,

598
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Speaker 4: even if it's a Trump supporter who by nature is

599
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 4: maybe a little bit rowdy or raucous and you know,

600
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 4: maybe not the same kind of constitution you and I

601
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Speaker 4: may have if at any point anyone had gotten on

602
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Speaker 4: a loud speaker or a number of bullhorns and said

603
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Speaker 4: you will be arrested if you walk into the building,

604
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 4: or if you walk past that barricade, you are going

605
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: to be arrested, at least ninety maybe ninety five percent

606
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Speaker 4: of the people would have turned around and left.

607
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Speaker 1: They would have said to Hi, this is not worth it.

608
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Speaker 1: I don't want this. That was never said.

609
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Speaker 3: Well, this is why I kept asking both of you

610
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: that same question. At any point in time, did you

611
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: hear law enforcements say to you go home now.

612
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Speaker 1: I never even saw law enforcement.

613
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: I literally never saw law enforcement on the side of

614
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Speaker 4: the building I was on.

615
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I had three exchanges with police officers. They didn't

616
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Speaker 5: tell me anything the first couple of times other than

617
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 5: general like this way and we went that way. This

618
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 5: is after I'm inside the building. Before I got in

619
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Speaker 5: the building, I could not find in any direction from

620
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Speaker 5: a police officer. So to answer your question, no, heard

621
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Speaker 5: none of that.

622
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Speaker 1: But at the very.

623
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Speaker 5: End, a police officer walked up to me in the rotunda.

624
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 5: This is after we've been in there for forty minutes

625
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: or so, and we're just like doctor Gold that already

626
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 5: given her speech. We're just standing there like when can

627
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: we get out of here? And how can we get

628
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 5: out here? And a police officer walked up to me

629
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Speaker 5: and he said, hey, I think it's calmed down enough

630
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 5: that we're asking people to start making their way back

631
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Speaker 5: to the east door to exit. So we're just asking

632
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 5: you to do that. And I said that sounds great,

633
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 5: thank you, sir, and walked out.

634
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Speaker 3: The Rolling Stone published a piece about you, Yes they did.

635
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: Now they've written all kinds of things about you, and

636
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: we can get into it. But one of the things

637
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: that they reported was that you sent a private text

638
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: message that says we stormed at the Capitol and it

639
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: was insane.

640
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I actually loved this question. So it's really

641
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 5: important to understand the context. Right at the time that

642
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 5: this all happened, I was not expecting to be going

643
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 5: inside the building, and then suddenly the doors opened and

644
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 5: people were going inside and we were getting attacked by cops.

645
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 5: That was definitely insane. So just the unexpected nature of

646
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 5: everything to me was encapsulated by the word this is insane,

647
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 5: what's going on? But the storming word. First of all,

648
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 5: I didn't make that word up. I'd heard people say

649
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 5: saying this in the hours after the event happened, So

650
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 5: that text message was sent hours after the event occurring.

651
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: It wasn't while you were there, No, okay.

652
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: No, it was it was hours later.

653
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 5: My brother checked in, like he starts seeing the things

654
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 5: on the news and he's thinking, I know, my brother

655
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 5: John Strand is there, and I'm worried maybe you got

656
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 5: hurt or like, what's going on. This seems kind of crazy,

657
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 5: And I said, yes, insane, but we stormed the Capitol

658
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Speaker 5: because at that by that point we'd already gone inside

659
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 5: then gone out. I kind of assessed what happened, how

660
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: did we get in the building. And the storming word,

661
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 5: I'd heard people use it, but in my mind it

662
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 5: was basically like when you are at a football game

663
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 5: for your high school and you know everyone's there, grandparents,

664
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 5: it's just a huge crowd. You've been waiting for this

665
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: game all year. You're behind in the fourth quarter, you

666
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 5: think you have no chance to win in and somehow

667
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 5: they they go the length of the field the last

668
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 5: couple of seconds, they score touch and they win, and

669
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Speaker 5: you had no idea what was gonna happen.

670
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Speaker 1: You storm the.

671
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 5: Field, you're excited. So I just saw these protesters excited

672
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 5: to be here, a little bit confused, like I said,

673
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 5: there's supposed to be species that didn't happen and whatnot. But

674
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: the doors opened and people were in the building waving

675
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 5: their flags and like, well, here's our last stand. We're

676
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 5: protesting a stolen election or whatever their complaint was. And

677
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 5: so storming the Capitol was just this recognition that, oh

678
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 5: my god, all at once, all these protesters just showed up,

679
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 5: all at once inside of the building.

680
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: At any point in time did anybody tell you to

681
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: storm the Capitol. No, it's very interesting the way you

682
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: describe this, because it almost sounds like the media inculcated

683
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: into you that language of storming the Capitol. What are

684
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: the chances that you will send a text message to

685
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: a private text message to your brother using the term

686
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: storm the Capitol? And meanwhile the media is building an

687
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: entire campaign with that language. It's almost like they got you.

688
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, like I said, I would not have used that

689
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 5: term of my own mind. I had heard a bunch

690
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 5: of people in the hours after the event saying that

691
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 5: probably there were already media reports using the terminology. I

692
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 5: would guess, But I just heard people in conversation storming

693
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 5: the Capitol.

694
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: Oh, storm the Capitol?

695
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 5: And I mean I saw a whole bunch of people

696
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 5: suddenly arrive and then suddenly go in when the door's opened,

697
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 5: which I didn't expect the doors to be opened. I

698
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 5: didn't like, why is the crowd going in the building?

699
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 5: But also why isn't the stage here? And where are

700
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 5: the congress people that we were scheduled to speak with.

701
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 5: I had a lot of questions. Can I address that

702
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 5: word storm too?

703
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: Because it's such an important point that you're making like

704
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: the words that we used and the information that we

705
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: had at the time that we used them, which we

706
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 4: didn't have any way of knowing later what the narrative

707
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: would become and how the words we were using were

708
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 4: going to be misinterpreted on purpose. But I also used

709
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: the word storm in a tweet that I had put

710
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 4: out that day. I said something about patriots stormed the Capitol.

711
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 4: I think I said patriots stormed the Capitol from all sides.

712
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: I will never forget why I said this. So I

713
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 4: was on the east side of the building. I walked

714
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 4: to the southeast corner, and I walked to the northeast corner.

715
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: And when I walked to the southeast corner, I saw

716
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 4: that there were people on the south of the building.

717
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 4: And then I went to the northeast corner, and I

718
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: saw that there were people in the north of the building.

719
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: And I thought to myself, Wow, there are people on

720
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: all sides of this building.

721
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: Like I remember thinking that, and in.

722
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 4: My mind, I thought to myself, wow, patriots stormed. Like

723
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 4: to me, the word stormed with synonymous was surrounded. They

724
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 4: surrounded the capitol. Because people are they want to be heard,

725
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: they want to be seen. They want to be recognized.

726
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: They stormed the building, and I wrote, patriots stormed the

727
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: Capitol from all sides. I literally meant people had there

728
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 4: were so many people there that they had surrounded the building.

729
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: That's what I met when I said stormed the building.

730
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: But it was used against me in court too, and

731
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 4: they said, oh, Strock said, you know, the Patriots stormed

732
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 4: the Capitol, And I didn't have any idea at that

733
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: point that I had written that what had happened on

734
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: the other side of the building.

735
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting where that word came from.

736
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 5: In all of you, but I think it was a

737
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 5: media plant word and a part of the narrative building

738
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 5: that was going on. But at the moment when it

739
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 5: happened again, when you rush the football field, the word

740
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 5: to describe that is storming. It simply means everyone's excited

741
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 5: and arrives all at the same time. That's what it means.

742
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 5: The reason that it gets misused here, and they're using

743
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 5: it on purpose, is because storming, when there are no

744
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 5: weapons and there is no ill intent, that kind of

745
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 5: storming is simply excitement. It's a crowd storming as used

746
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 5: by the left wing narrative about January sixth, is that

747
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 5: this was a violent event with weapons to commit an

748
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 5: act of war or aggression. But I'm sorry, flagpoles and

749
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 5: a random hammer are not weapons of war. Like, we

750
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 5: need to be real about this.

751
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: This was a.

752
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 5: Political protest of excited people that suddenly rushed in the door.

753
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 5: You could say that storming in the sense of storming

754
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 5: the football field.

755
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: That's fine. That's what I texted my brother.

756
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: At what point did you know that you're in trouble

757
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: for being at the US Capital?

758
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 5: Probably when I found myself on the FBI's most wanted list.

759
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: When was that? When did you know that you're in trouble?

760
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: The day after the day of when you are walking

761
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: out of the Capitol, did you know you did something wrong?

762
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 5: No, definitely not when I walked out. I can tell

763
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 5: you how I know. I didn't think I did anything

764
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 5: wrong because I just stood there on the steps for

765
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 5: another forty five minutes chatting about it. So normally, yeah, normally,

766
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 5: when when you do something and you know what's wrong,

767
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: you don't hang around.

768
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: You leave the scene.

769
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 5: So we chatted for almost an hour on the steps again,

770
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 5: that's probably when I started hearing the storm phrasing in

771
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 5: different things. That's when I heard a report that Ashley

772
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 5: Babbitt him been shot and killed. I was standing on

773
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 5: the steps after I had after walked out. Famous piece

774
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 5: of video for my trial where some cops walk out

775
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 5: of the building, you know, they had finished up and

776
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 5: were leaving. This is I'm standing on the steps. This

777
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 5: is an hour after I'd gotten out, and I'm clapping

778
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 5: and saying thank you, thank you back to Blue, thank you,

779
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 5: thank you. I'm applauding them. I appreciate them. I knew

780
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 5: that had a crazy, you know, tiresome day. I didn't

781
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 5: know the full extent of what had happened at that point,

782
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 5: but I knew it was chaos, and they used that

783
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: to try to show the jury. They froze it at

784
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 5: one point where I was doing a fist pump, like

785
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 5: because I do that when I'm excited, and they're like,

786
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 5: look at this guy. He's angry and insulting the cops

787
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 5: and et cetera, et cetera. They completely lied about all

788
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 5: of this, but I was standing there just talking about it.

789
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 5: So no, I had no idea that I had done

790
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 5: I did not do anything wrong.

791
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: Actually, So what did you find out, Brandon that you

792
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: were in trouble.

793
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: So that video that I shot, I immediately uploaded it

794
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 4: to Twitter that day, like very shortly after I filmed it,

795
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 4: and then I went back to my hotel room.

796
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: A couple of hours later.

797
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 4: When it got back to my hotel room, I turn

798
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: on my television and that's when, for the first time

799
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: I started to see what had happened on the west

800
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: side of the building. I had no idea until I

801
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: saw it on my television in my hotel. I became

802
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: very confused by what I was seeing because I didn't

803
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 4: know if it was something that was happening live like this,

804
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 4: this conflict had broken out after I left, or what

805
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: it was. And my hand to God, I never in

806
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 4: a million years dreamed or thought that I had done

807
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: something wrong.

808
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't worried about that in the least.

809
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 4: I was worried that my followers would be concerned about

810
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 4: me because I had uploaded this video and they might

811
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 4: be like, Oh, is he there in the middle of

812
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: some sort of scuffle.

813
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: Is he okay?

814
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know what's going on, so

815
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 4: I'm just going to take the video down. I took

816
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 4: the video down, but it had already been copied by

817
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 4: left wing Twitter trolls, who then began posting it every

818
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 4: day repeatedly on Twitter and tagging the FBI and the

819
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 4: DOJ and saying Brandon Strock was there, he was a

820
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 4: part of the insurrection. You have to come and get him.

821
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: People kept asking me for weeks, are you worried?

822
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: And I said no.

823
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: I said I don't like this kind of attention, But

824
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 4: I said I didn't break the law.

825
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: So I don't have anything to be worried about.

826
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 4: I had no heads up anything was going to happen

827
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 4: to me until the morning of Monday, January twenty fifth.

828
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 4: I woke up at dawn two and a half weeks

829
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: after January sixth, to a team of FBI agents and

830
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: tactical gears storming my apartment at dawn, storming my apartment

831
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 4: at don getting me out of bed, putting me in handcuffs,

832
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: the weaponars, and telling me that I was facing multiple

833
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 4: felony charges for what I had done on January sixth,

834
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: And they began stripping my apartment of my computers, my iPads,

835
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 4: hard drives, phones, thumb drives, camera equipment, clothing, taking my things,

836
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 4: sealing them in bags, cuffing my hands behind my back

837
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: and taking.

838
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: Me to jail.

839
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: And then what happened, Well, I.

840
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 4: Spent two and half days in jail, twenty four hour lockdown,

841
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 4: and then I was released from jail. And when I

842
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 4: was released from jail, the first thing I did the

843
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 4: next morning. I was released in the middle of the night.

844
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 4: The next morning, I went to have a meeting with

845
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 4: my attorney that my work team had found for me

846
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 4: while I was in jail, and he began to explain

847
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 4: to me the situation.

848
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: I said, what the hell is going on?

849
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 4: And he said to me, well, you're currently being charged

850
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 4: with two felony charges and a misdemeanor. And I said,

851
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: what are the felonies And he said to me, well,

852
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 4: felony number one, knowingly occupying restricted grounds.

853
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: In other words, that.

854
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: Was when you walk through that open gate.

855
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: Through the open barricades.

856
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 4: Yes, so, in other words, trespassing on capitol grounds. But

857
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 4: I was being given a felony for that felony number two,

858
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: impeding law enforcement. And my eyes bugged out and I said,

859
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: what are you talking about. There are no police officers.

860
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 4: There were literally no police officers on the east side

861
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: of the building. And my attorney said to me, have

862
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 4: you watched your video? And I said no. I was like,

863
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: I've actually never seen it. I shot it, I uploaded

864
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: it to Twitter, I deleted it, but I've never and

865
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 4: he said, well, you need to watch it, because he said,

866
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 4: there's one moment in your video where one officer is

867
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 4: walking through the crowd on his way into the Capitol

868
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 4: and he's carrying a plastic shield above his head as

869
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: he's walking through.

870
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: And these guys.

871
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: One of these guys grabs the shield out of his

872
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 4: hand and they start passing it around for about thirty seconds.

873
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: Then they give it back to him.

874
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: And while that's happening, you hear several voices in the

875
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 4: crowd summer shouting, take it, take it, take this shield.

876
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: I didn't even notice any of this was happening because

877
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 4: I was holding my camera above my head like this,

878
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: you know, and there were hundreds of people around talking.

879
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 4: It's you know, I'm going like this, but my camera

880
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 4: caught it. So the FBI said, well, that's you. You're

881
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 4: the one shouting to take the shield. That I was

882
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 4: leading the charge to do this, and so they charged

883
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 4: me with a felony called impeding law enforcement, and then

884
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 4: they charged me with a misdemeanor of disorderly conduct with

885
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: an intent to disrupt a hearing before Congress. But one

886
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 4: more point I want to make really quickly because John

887
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 4: said earlier normally I don't remember, but you said something

888
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 4: about like, normally people don't want people to see the

889
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: crime they're committing.

890
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: Or whatever, you know, sing around at the scene. Ap

891
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: there you go.

892
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I want people to really think about this because,

893
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: by the way, I took a misdemeanor plea deal, and

894
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 4: I as a part of my misdemeanor plea deal, I

895
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: had to say I did those things. They wouldn't offer

896
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 4: me a plea deal unless I confess to doing them,

897
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 4: which I one hundred percent unequivocally did not do.

898
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Didn't do it.

899
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, I was like, so, you know, I've had

900
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: this amazing career in politics that I never thought was

901
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 4: going to happen, and this career is fueled by the

902
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 4: support of my conservative audience. Without the loyalty and support

903
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 4: of my conservative audience, I would have no political career,

904
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: which I love. If there's one thing I know about

905
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 4: my audience, they don't want to see police officers being attacked.

906
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 4: Their law and order kind of people The idea that

907
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: I would go to the Capitol, film myself telling people

908
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: to take a shield from an officer, and then intentionally

909
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 4: upload that video to Twitter so that my conservative audience

910
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 4: could watch me doing it is so stupid. I'm simply

911
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: not that dumb. But what they wanted was to create

912
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: the story that the Walkway campaign founder was a violent

913
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 4: anarchist who went to the Capitol toencourage people to assault

914
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 4: officers and encourage people to storm the building.

915
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: That's the story they wanted, So that's the story they created.

916
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 3: Brandon, what happened once you took the plead deal, which

917
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: you say you're not guilty of but you took the deal,

918
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: then what were you able to walk away?

919
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: Well?

920
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: No, so I pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge about

921
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 4: ten months after I was arrested. And when you plead

922
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 4: guilty to you take a plea deal with the government.

923
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: You also have to sign what's called their statement of offense.

924
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 4: So the statement of offense is essentially the confession that

925
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: the government writes on your behalf. Now it's called a

926
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 4: plea deal, But there was no deal to be made

927
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 4: if there was anything in your statement of offense that

928
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: you objected to the response that all of us got was, well,

929
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 4: then you're welcome to go to trial. And going to

930
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 4: trial means you go before a DC judge and a

931
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 4: DC jury, because they wouldn't release jurisdiction of any of

932
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: these cases. This is a district that voted ninety three

933
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 4: percent against Donald Trump. I say against Donald Trump because

934
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: nobody voted for Joe Biden only voted against Donald Trump.

935
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 4: They hate Donald Trump, they hate his supporters, they hate

936
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 4: guys like us. Nobody stood a chance going to trial

937
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: in DC, which is why they've gotten one hundred percent

938
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 4: conviction rate on trial for January six cases. So I

939
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: signed their completely bogus statement of offense. I got a

940
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: misdemeanor plead deal. I was sentenced to three months of

941
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 4: house arrest, three years of probation, fines, fees, community service,

942
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 4: and court ordered mental health services because I voted for

943
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: Donald Trump. So obviously I'm insane. But in addition to that,

944
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: and we don't have to get into it, when I

945
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: signed their false statement of offense, I was then sued

946
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 4: once I confessed to having said the words it take

947
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 4: it to encourage the crowd to take a shield from

948
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: an officer a Soros funded nonprofit law firm called Lawyer's

949
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: Committee for Civil Rights under Law out of Washington, d C.

950
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 4: This is a non profit law firm that compulsively sues

951
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 4: conservatives and Republicans alleging civil rights violations and racist on

952
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: behalf of conservatives.

953
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: They sued me under the KKK Act.

954
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 4: They went and they found eight Capitol police officers who

955
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: are black and brown to be the plaintiffs in their

956
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 4: case and alleged that I am a white supremacist who

957
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: went to the Capitol to encourage the mob to attack

958
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: black and brown police officers and deprive them of their

959
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 4: civil rights.

960
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: And that's something else I had to go through for

961
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: two and a half years.

962
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: What did all of that cost you all?

963
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: In?

964
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: I spent over three hundred thousand dollars defending myself between

965
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 4: my criminal case that civil case, and I was also

966
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: subpoened and deposed by the January sixth Committee, so I

967
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 4: had to hire lawyers to go through all of the

968
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 4: discovery and the depositions of the j six Committee.

969
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: Wow. John, Wow, I mean Brandon's story sounds really horrible

970
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: until you actually hear John Stony.

971
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: So that's bad.

972
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if you think that's bad. So John, when

973
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: did you find out that you were in trouble? And

974
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: what was that like?

975
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 5: Oh man, that was Martin Luther King Day, January eighteenth,

976
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty one. I was in Beverly Hills working

977
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 5: and the front door was obliterated with a battering ram.

978
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 5: I was assaulted with twenty tactical soldiers in a SWAT

979
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 5: unit with red laser dot sites on my chests. And

980
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 5: I mean I could smell the sweat from the adrenaline

981
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 5: of these officers who were in fight or flight mode

982
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: thinking that they might get killed because apparently they were

983
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 5: informed I was a violent, you know, terrorist that they

984
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 5: were attacking. Meanwhile, they were I saw photos at Trial

985
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 5: and Discovery guys in the bushes with surveillance cameras in

986
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 5: the bushes and Beverly Hills surveilling me at home for

987
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 5: a week prior. Wow. But they never gave me a

988
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 5: phone call to say, Hey, can you come down to

989
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 5: the office so we can talk about this now. They

990
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 5: just assaulted us and demolished our front door and disappeared me.

991
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 5: Disappeared me in jail for four years, four days without

992
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 5: a phone call for four days. My mother, my family,

993
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 5: and my attorney. No one knew if.

994
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: I was alive or where I was, so that's illegal.

995
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 5: They finally found my colleague hired a PI to figure

996
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 5: out where I was the issue to get me bonded out,

997
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 5: So then, of course I knew I was in trouble.

998
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 3: What were you charged for?

999
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 5: I was charged with five counts. The felony was fifteen

1000
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: twelve C two, along with the four misdemeanors that Brandon

1001
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 5: described at pretty much everyone.

1002
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: And what specifically did they say that you did?

1003
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 5: They specifically said that I was always at the front

1004
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 5: leading the charge of this insurrection and framed me as

1005
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 5: you know, the Magazinelander.

1006
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: General because you were a speaker there.

1007
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 5: I mean I was. I'm the creative director of America's

1008
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 5: frontline doctor, so I was with a scheduled speaker and

1009
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 5: I was there doing my job that day. The case

1010
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 5: that the government made, though, was more related to the

1011
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 5: general narrative of a violent insurrection to take over the government.

1012
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 5: And you know, my entry into this whole world. I

1013
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 5: have been a lifelong actor, fashion model working here in

1014
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 5: Hollywood for many many years, was not political, because you

1015
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 5: can't be if you're conservative. But in twenty twenty with

1016
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 5: the lockdowns to go public in resistance against what I

1017
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 5: understood to be tyranny, and that quickly coincided with supporting

1018
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty campaign for reelection for Donald Trump.

1019
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: So they sent you to jail. Yeah, so just can

1020
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: you just describe to us how that went down? I mean,

1021
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: you got three years in prison and four months in

1022
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: solitary confinement. Is that right?

1023
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 5: Well, they didn't sentence me to that exactly, not to

1024
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 5: the solitary confinement, but I diverged from most January sixth

1025
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 5: stories at the point where I refused to take the

1026
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 5: plea deal. So Brandon's talked about the plea a lot.

1027
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 5: We don't have enough time to get into all the

1028
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 5: details because what they did with these pleas was very

1029
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 5: very evil and very very specific and strategic in what

1030
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 5: they did and how they did it in order to

1031
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 5: accelerate the pace at which everyone just said I'm guilty,

1032
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 5: to accelerate the intensity of those forced false confessions that

1033
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 5: Brandon has detailed very nicely. So they built the whole

1034
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 5: narrative of many people they're saying I confessed. I knew

1035
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 5: in advance I was breaking the law. I knew in advance.

1036
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 5: I had the intent to overtake the government, et cetera,

1037
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 5: et cetera. This was the story they're building, and they

1038
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 5: got a bunch of people with a proverbial gun to

1039
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 5: their head to say, yeah, I did this. So I

1040
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 5: understood before. Shortly after the event happened, a few weeks

1041
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 5: after it happened, I got arrested, I was disappeared four days,

1042
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 5: settled down, kind of figured out what is going on here,

1043
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 5: and then I got the plea deal presented to me

1044
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 5: by the government, and I realized where this is going.

1045
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 5: I read that fine print, I read that statement of offense,

1046
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 5: and I said, hell no, there's not a chance in

1047
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 5: the world that I am going to publicly swear that

1048
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 5: I did these things, that I'm going to publicly affirm

1049
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 5: the weaponized Department of Justice in what it is doing

1050
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 5: to the American people. There is no chance I'm going

1051
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 5: to bend the knee to this clear advent of tyranny.

1052
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 5: So I told my attorneys and my family and my

1053
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 5: colleagues and Brandon, I said, I'm not taking this plea deal.

1054
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 5: And everyone's basically said, that's insane.

1055
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: What did it cost you to not take the plea deal.

1056
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 5: I mean, I had a golden parachute plea deal in

1057
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 5: this case. And this is also pretty unusual. In January

1058
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 5: sixth most people, some people had a plea deal that

1059
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 5: involved a single misdemeanor and they took it. Some people

1060
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 5: had a plea deal that still involved felonies and multiple

1061
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 5: years of prison. So a few people went to trial,

1062
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 5: not that many, but those who went to trial typically

1063
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 5: were facing felonies in years and years of prison either way.

1064
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 5: In my case, I was facing twenty three years of

1065
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 5: potential prison and a half million dollars in fines with

1066
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 5: this felony and the other charges, or I could have

1067
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 5: a single misdemeanor.

1068
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: Over twenty years in prison.

1069
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: I was facing thirty five with much I.

1070
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 3: Mean, they shouldn't. These numbers just sound so massive they're insane.

1071
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 5: Some people had multiple felonies that would have racked up

1072
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 5: to fifty, sixty, seventy eighty years of potential maximum prison time.

1073
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 5: But I was facing a max potential twenty three years.

1074
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 5: But that was the weight of the charges that were

1075
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 5: brought against me. Massive, totally insane, and a single misdemeanor

1076
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 5: at that point would have more or less been a

1077
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 5: slap on the wrist and the whole thing would have

1078
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 5: been done in twenty twenty one, like I would have

1079
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 5: had my life back for the last two or three years.

1080
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 5: So it cost me everything. That was the answer to

1081
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 5: your question. It cost me everything I possibly could have

1082
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 5: had to give. I knew I was going to be

1083
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 5: convicted at trial. It's completely obvious, the numbers bear it out.

1084
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 5: But I also just understood again what part of the

1085
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 5: movie we were in here. This was not just some

1086
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 5: random conflict at a protest. This was a strategized conflict,

1087
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 5: and a strategized series of events, and a strategized narrative

1088
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 5: storm in the Capitol, all these things that we've been

1089
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 5: talking about, these terms that you're hearing, this is part

1090
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 5: of a plan. This is part of a story, and unfortunately,

1091
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 5: the left is very good at telling stories that advanced

1092
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 5: their causes and put Americans in danger.

1093
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: Going to prison. Yeah, can you just describe that?

1094
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 5: What was prison like? I describe It's very dirty, it's

1095
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 5: very depressing, it's soul crushing, it's extremely physically uncomfortable, but

1096
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 5: the psychological pain is far worse.

1097
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: How long were you in prison?

1098
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 5: I was sentenced to almost three years. I was given

1099
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 5: a thirty two month sentence plus thirty six months of

1100
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 5: supervise release. I did not take the plea, though, so

1101
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 5: I appealed the convictions immediately and pressed my case while

1102
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 5: I'm in prison to the Supreme Court, and I won.

1103
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 5: And because I did not plead guilty and I won

1104
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 5: at the Supreme Court, I was then released after having

1105
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 5: served a year three hundred and sixty six days.

1106
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: Why did you end up in solitary confinement for four months?

1107
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 5: Essentially because I refused to shut up what I had

1108
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 5: been very vocal for the whole two year period before

1109
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 5: the trial. So January six happens, but I don't go

1110
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 5: to try For almost two years later, I was continue

1111
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 5: to remain vocal after having been convicted of by a

1112
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 5: DC jury, speaking publicly doing interviews, saying it was fraudulent.

1113
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 5: JA six was a setup, and in my case, particularly

1114
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 5: all the video shows I did nothing wrong. I pled

1115
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 5: not guilty because I am innocent. I knew the jury

1116
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 5: would convict me in advance anyway, because it's DC. I

1117
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 5: said that publicly in advance.

1118
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: I was proven right.

1119
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 5: I continued to castigate a fraudulent system and a dishonest

1120
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 5: and very partisan judicial process. A weaponized government. I continued

1121
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 5: to expose and highlight this for eight months after trial

1122
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 5: before I was sentenced. That's insane. Any attorney will tell

1123
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 5: you once you're convicted and you have not yet been sentenced, Zip,

1124
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter how what is it you are, don't

1125
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 5: urge the judge to hurt you any more than he

1126
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 5: has to. But I didn't do that because it wasn't

1127
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 5: about me or the sentence. It was about the truth

1128
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 5: and how Americans were being sabotaged by their government. So

1129
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 5: when I finally got to sentence, the judge was furious.

1130
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 5: He said it from the bench that I'm sending a

1131
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 5: message that this can never happen again. People cannot basically

1132
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 5: do what I had done, which was to speak publicly

1133
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 5: and criticize the government.

1134
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: They made an example out of you.

1135
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the textbook definition of fascism. The government said

1136
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 5: from the bench, he said, I'm going to send a message.

1137
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 5: If you criticize the Washington DC court system, you go

1138
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 5: to prison for years.

1139
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: Is what happens.

1140
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 3: What was it like in solitary confinement.

1141
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 5: That's a really hard question to answer, at least in

1142
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 5: a brief moment.

1143
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: It was terrible it.

1144
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 5: Would be very easy to despair and find yourself not

1145
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 5: believing you could survive that. People commit suicide in those

1146
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 5: circumstances quite frequently. It was horrific. It was kind of

1147
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 5: like imagine if you were on a submarine. So you're

1148
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 5: in a very tight, condensed environments, all metal. It's harsh,

1149
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 5: it's uncomfortable, it's kind of nerve racking, and you are

1150
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 5: in some hallway and somebody kind of knocks or trips

1151
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 5: you into this door and suddenly the door shuts and

1152
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 5: you realize it's locked from the outside. And you're in

1153
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 5: this closet on a submarine, and you're banging on the door,

1154
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 5: like what happened? Let me out of here? No response,

1155
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 5: no answer, and then suddenly you hear this sound. Suddenly

1156
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 5: you realize the submarine is sinking, it's submerging, and then

1157
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 5: it hits the bottom.

1158
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: That's what it felt like emotionally and mentally.

1159
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, you keep hanging on the door, No one answers,

1160
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 5: You're trying to windows. You have basically that books. I

1161
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 5: did get a few books that was life saving.

1162
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I made sure I got a Bible.

1163
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: What did you read when you're in solitary confinement.

1164
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 5: I read the psalms a lot. Yeah, I say the

1165
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 5: psalms felt three dimensional as I read them.

1166
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 3: Did your family know you're in there? Were you able

1167
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: to connect?

1168
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 4: I had no idea. I knew nothing about anything. We

1169
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 4: didn't know, nobody knew. We tried for months. We just

1170
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 4: didn't hear from him.

1171
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: We just didn't know what was going on, and then we.

1172
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: Couldn't get answers. No one would answer. I knew nothing.

1173
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 5: I knew absolutely nothing except I had done an interview

1174
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 5: with Grant Stinchfield, who has been a stalwart supporter from

1175
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 5: the beginning, just saying what happened to you?

1176
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: What's going on?

1177
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 5: So I had done an interview from in prison, just

1178
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 5: on the phone, as far as I understood, it was legal.

1179
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 5: I had registered that contact according to the prison procedure.

1180
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 5: So I just made a normal phone call, had an

1181
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 5: interview thrown into solitary shortly after.

1182
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 3: Oh, that was the punishment that you spoke to the

1183
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 3: public while you were in there. Was that illegal to

1184
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 3: do or No?

1185
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 5: The prison will claim that there's a process by which

1186
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 5: you have to ask their permission or whatever, and that

1187
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 5: I didn't follow the process. They didn't tell me what

1188
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 5: the process was, they didn't tell me anything.

1189
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 3: So speaking to the media from prison is what sent

1190
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: you into solitary constructly what got me there? Yeah, did

1191
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: you have a sense of time in solitary confinement? Did

1192
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: you know you're there for four months? Did you know

1193
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: how long you'll stay there?

1194
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 5: I mean I found a piece of paper and a

1195
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 5: prison pen which is like this and scratched off scratch

1196
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 5: marks day by day.

1197
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: Could I say something on your behalf?

1198
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 4: He and I have talked about his experience in solitary confinement,

1199
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 4: and I don't know, maybe there's things you just don't

1200
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 4: even want to think about or talk about. But I

1201
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 4: mean John's described screaming all night long, like a screaming

1202
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: from around you that never ever stops, and the being

1203
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 4: on the brink of losing your sanity because you can't

1204
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 4: have a There's not a moment of quiet. There's not

1205
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 4: a moment where people And forgive me for saying this,

1206
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 4: but I mean he's described like the people around him,

1207
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 4: like like he was in a cage surrounded by animals.

1208
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 4: I mean, like like just the shrieking and screaming of

1209
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 4: animals that doesn't stop for four months. I mean, I

1210
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 4: don't know how you wouldn't lose your mind the prison?

1211
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: Did you not lose your mind?

1212
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 5: The prison guards or despair. There's a group of guards

1213
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 5: called the Sis. It's there invest It's like the swat

1214
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 5: team in prison basically. And these guys threw me in

1215
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 5: an interrogation room and were interrogating me. This is like

1216
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 5: a scene out of a movie. Asking you what they

1217
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 5: were not asking. They were accusing me of crimes. They

1218
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 5: were accusing me of planning additional criminal activity in citing violence.

1219
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 5: It was insane. And they said, we're throwing you in

1220
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 5: the hole. And if you think prison has been bad,

1221
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 5: just wait until you have a few weeks in the shoe.

1222
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 5: They're like taunting me, They're bragging about how they're going

1223
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 5: to abuse me in there. They told me, this is

1224
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 5: the worst shoe in the country. This is MIAMIFCI since

1225
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 5: the worst solitary unit in the country. The people in

1226
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 5: there are like animals. They're all competing about who can

1227
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 5: be the worst piece of garbage. And they never stopped screaming.

1228
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 5: And he wasn't lying. They never stopped screaming in there.

1229
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 5: It was animalistic, it was savage, it was demented. I

1230
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 5: felt like a corner of hell in your imagination and

1231
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 5: you couldn't get out.

1232
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 3: Why do you think they punished you that way? Were

1233
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 3: you targeted in particular for this January sixth? Is why you?

1234
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 3: And why so severe?

1235
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: Two things?

1236
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 5: Number one J six ers were targeted in general, many

1237
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 5: different examples of this. The way that they transported us

1238
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 5: was overly harsh. The assignment of the prison was improper

1239
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 5: and overly harsh. BOP policy is extremely well documented. Exactly

1240
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 5: who goes where and why I was rated for a camp.

1241
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 5: Actually I actually requested that specific camp in Pensacola because

1242
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 5: I now reside in Florida, so that was the territory.

1243
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,959
Speaker 5: The judge said, yes, put that on the record. That's fine.

1244
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 5: But they didn't put me in that prison. They put

1245
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 5: me in a much more dangerous, violent, terrible prison than

1246
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 5: that camp. Why why to persecute me, to abuse me?

1247
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 5: They did this to many J sixers, but in my case,

1248
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 5: particularly in that terrible prison, they made it far worse

1249
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 5: by putting me in this isolation environment. But it's because

1250
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 5: I continued legally, peacefully appropriately to say I won't back down,

1251
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 5: I won't sense silence myself, I will not sell censor

1252
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 5: I still have constitutional rights. I'm an innocent American, wrongfully accused,

1253
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 5: unjustly imprisoned, but I am respecting due process. I self

1254
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 5: surrendered myself to that prison. They didn't drag me in there.

1255
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 5: I walked up in a suit and said, here I am.

1256
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 5: But I had an appeal which I continue to litigate

1257
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 5: with my attorneys while I'm in prison. So I continued

1258
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 5: to speak and to represent my values and to do

1259
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 5: my part to stand up for this country. And they

1260
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 5: didn't like that. That was not part of the JA

1261
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 5: six program. The point of JA six was to destroy

1262
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 5: and demonize people like Brandon that are champions for constitutional

1263
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 5: rights and American values. It is to silence Americans who

1264
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 5: in their heart know what they believe, they know it's right,

1265
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 5: and they want to stand up for that, or they

1266
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 5: at least want to share their opinion about it, and

1267
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 5: they feel endangered. That's what JAY six was about, was

1268
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 5: fear and silence and endangerment of Americans who who truly

1269
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 5: believe in preserving constitutional governance in America.

1270
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 3: Who gave you hope, if at all, that the nightmare

1271
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: will end.

1272
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 5: That was definitely God and God alone. Solitary particularly was

1273
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 5: it was truly horrific. As an artist, I've struggled at

1274
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 5: various times in my life with depression and other forms

1275
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 5: of just wrestling with who I am and with where

1276
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 5: God is and how to deal with difficult situations. I

1277
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 5: felt some of those things resurge while I was in solitary.

1278
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 5: I felt very vulnerable. I felt very endangered by the

1279
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 5: trauma I was experiencing and what it could trigger and

1280
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 5: unleash to put myself in a very dangerous situation.

1281
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: So I prayed, and.

1282
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 5: I just begged God to do what only God can.

1283
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 5: Just protect me when no one else can protect me,

1284
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 5: keep me hopeful when I am losing hope day by day.

1285
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 5: There is a cumulative effect to this time. A day

1286
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 5: in solitary is not the same thing as a week

1287
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 5: in solitary, and a week in solitary is not the

1288
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 5: same thing as a month in solitary. It's every day

1289
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 5: that goes by is infinitely worse than the last day.

1290
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 5: Another thing, I don't know if I told you, but

1291
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 5: they violated their own rules so many times.

1292
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: The BOP.

1293
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 5: The BOP is the Federal Bureau of Prisons, so it's

1294
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 5: federal management of the prison system for federal crimes in

1295
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 5: solitary per BOP rules, you were required for every inmate

1296
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 5: to have a phone call at a minimum of every

1297
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 5: seven days. It doesn't sound like a lot, and when

1298
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 5: you're in such miserable conditions, you need anything that you

1299
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 5: can get in terms of humanity and just having hope

1300
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 5: to survive. But when you're in solitary confinement, that phone

1301
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 5: call seven days later is the difference between life and death.

1302
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 5: You would scratch somebody's eyes out to get that phone call.

1303
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 5: By the time at day six, you'd scratch your own

1304
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 5: eyes out to have that phone call. It's the only

1305
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 5: thing that matters. They would never let me have that

1306
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 5: phone call. So as the days grew into weeks, and

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Speaker 5: I didn't hear from anyone, and I had no idea

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Speaker 5: if I'd be in this hole for three years. I

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01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 5: had no idea if my parents were still alive. I

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01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 5: had I knew nothing. I had no access to information,

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01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 5: just despair and pain and trauma and anger and terror.

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Speaker 5: So I prayed a lot.

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Speaker 3: Did your attorneys continue to work for you. I know

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Speaker 3: that we never stopped hearing from Matt Gates about your case. Yes,

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Speaker 3: she was very active in doing what's right by you, Yes,

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Speaker 3: how did that unfold while you're in there.

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Speaker 5: I'm deeply indebted to Congressman Matt Gates and very proud

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Speaker 5: of the work that he's done as an American and

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Speaker 5: as a Congressman. Very grateful and proud of the courage

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Speaker 5: and the hard work of my attorney, which included doctor

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Speaker 5: Gold who's an attorney, as well as a number of

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Speaker 5: other attorneys that have worked with me throughout the course

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Speaker 5: of this saga. They worked relentlessly during this period. I

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Speaker 5: had testified along with Brandon at a congressional hearing on

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Speaker 5: J six weaponization that Congressman Gates hosted, so he was

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Speaker 5: aware of some details, and my legal team reached out

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Speaker 5: to him, as well as Congressman Clay Higgins, who's also

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01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 5: been really strong on this issue. And I was later

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Speaker 5: in a Louisiana prison, which is in his district. But

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Speaker 5: at this time, Congressman Matt Gates really went to the

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Speaker 5: mat for me. When I was vanished, no one heard

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Speaker 5: from me, like Brandon said, like what happened to him?

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Speaker 5: So he Congressman Gates actually spent his entire five minutes

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Speaker 5: at a secondary hearing that happened later where they forced

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Speaker 5: the director of the Bop call at Peters to come

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01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 5: in an answer for what was going on. He spent

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Speaker 5: that entire time asking what happened to John strand where

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Speaker 5: is he? What's going on in that place? So he

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 5: scheduled a meeting to go make sure I was okay

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Speaker 5: and actually visit me, And then they whisked me out

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01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 5: of the middle of the night right before he got

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01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 5: there to avoid accountability. Is essentially what they did, of course,

1343
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 5: which was disgusting and very rude to the congressman. But

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01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 5: he forced the issue and got me out of that hole.

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Speaker 5: It saved my sanity.

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Speaker 3: I'm very grateful, and Brandon, I know that there are

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Speaker 3: many people who have continuously supported you throughout the years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's important to remember I think that, you know,

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Speaker 4: part of the reason why January six turned into what

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Speaker 4: it turned into is because we lost control of the

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Speaker 4: media narrative, and we allowed the left to completely dominate

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Speaker 4: the narrative. And there were a lot of people on

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01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 4: the right who, despite the fact that they loved having

1354
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 4: me on their shows and their networks or whatever prior

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Speaker 4: to January six, cut me off entirely after that.

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Speaker 1: But I want to really pay homage.

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Speaker 4: I think and honor the people who didn't do that,

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Speaker 4: and that's people like Mark Levin, Tucker Carlson, Laura Trump,

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Speaker 4: Laura Ingram, Mike Huckabee, Eric Metaxis. I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 4: I'm leaving out a good number of people, but these

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Speaker 4: are people who, without hesitation, said no, we want to

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Speaker 4: give you a platform to share your story and what

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Speaker 4: you went through mattered. And please don't think if I

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Speaker 4: didn't say your name that I don't include you in

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Speaker 4: that list. But off the top of my head, those

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01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 4: are some pretty high profile people who had, I think,

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01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 4: a lot to lose by associating with people associated with

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01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 4: JA six early on, but didn't turn their backs and

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01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 4: offered a platform to get the truth out.

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Speaker 1: And I will love them and respect them forever for

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Speaker 1: doing that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Eric Matexas was a real hero.

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01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 3: Eric Matexas is definitely one of the good guys.

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01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, he stood up for me too, and he's been

1375
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 5: he's been preaching the truth on JA six from the

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Speaker 5: beginning without apology.

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Speaker 3: Brandon, how's it been since the pardon?

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Speaker 4: Well, the best part for me about the pardon has

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01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 4: been that it nullified my plea deal. So you know,

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Speaker 4: one of the really difficult things for me was having

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01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 4: to confess to things that I didn't do and not

1382
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 4: to be able to even publicly say that these things

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01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 4: are not true. Thankfully, most conservatives and ninety nine percent

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01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 4: plus are very intelligent and know what the media is,

1385
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 4: know what the government is, know what the Democrats are.

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Speaker 4: So I had very few people believe the statement that

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Speaker 4: I had signed, But that doesn't take away the fact

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01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 4: that that I have been taunted relentlessly by the left

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01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 4: for taking for the statement that I sign. And by

1390
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 4: the way, most of the people on the left also

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01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 4: know that it's not true. But they the same people

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Speaker 4: who are crying Donald Trump's a fashit and Donald Trump's

1393
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 4: a dictator, absolutely love that Joe Biden's DOJ forced people

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Speaker 4: to confess to things that they didn't do and rub

1395
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 4: in their face that the government made you say that

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01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 4: you did things that you didn't do. So I've been

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Speaker 4: kind of going through that for like four years, not

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01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 4: to mention all the trouble it caused me being sued,

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Speaker 4: being permanently banned by PayPal, Venmo, Stripe, email services, donor

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01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 4: portals banks. I mean, all of us were really unpersoned

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01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 4: in just about every way that a person can be

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01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 4: unpersoned in the digital age, not to mention ostracized by

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01:06:58,880 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 4: our communities.

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01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: We have five.

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01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 4: January sixth defendants who committed suicide rather than continue to

1406
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 4: go through the torment of what people have.

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Speaker 1: Had to go through.

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Speaker 4: But what the pardon did for me was took off

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01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 4: the table the risk or the threat that by coming

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01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 4: out publicly and saying unconditionally I did not do the

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01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 4: things that I confessed to doing on January sixth, that

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Speaker 4: I couldn't be further prosecuted or putting myself in danger.

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Speaker 4: My judge, Judge Dabney Friedrich in Washington, d C. I

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01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 4: would like to see all of these judges unseated. I

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01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 4: hope that they all get what's the word peached?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Why do I always forget that word? They

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Speaker 1: definitely I hope that they all get impeached.

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Speaker 4: But Dabney Friedrich called me into court many many months

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01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 4: after I had already served my sentence and done my

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01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 4: plea deal because I began speaking out in the media.

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01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 4: I didn't overtly say that my plea deal was a lie,

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01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 4: but I was saying things like please watch my video

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01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 4: and ask yourselves. Does that sound like my voice saying

1424
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 4: take and take it just a fair question. Called me

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01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 4: into re courtroom and said, I'm getting disturbing reports that

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Speaker 4: you're doing media interviews that could be construed making statements

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Speaker 4: that are could be construed as contradictory to your plea deal.

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01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 4: And if you don't want to be facing more felony

1429
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 4: charges of one thousand and one lying to official to investigators,

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01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 4: federal investigators, you better stop making these statements, which, by

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01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 4: the way, was extremely chilling and terrifying. And I did

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01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 4: kind of go through a period of time where I

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 4: was like, should I continue speaking out about this? But

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01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 4: I did continue. But now I can unequivocally say these

1435
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 4: things are not true. I didn't do these things, and

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Speaker 4: that is extremely liberating. I mean, even though I didn't

1437
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Speaker 4: go to prison, go to solitary confinement, whatever, I feel

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01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 4: like everything I experienced would have been appropriate if I

1439
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 4: was being accused of manslaughter or something, you know, like

1440
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 4: if I hit somebody with my car and killed them

1441
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 4: to be criminally charged civilly sued go through all this

1442
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 4: like that would make sense standing outside the building for

1443
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 4: eight minutes and shooting a video like or.

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Speaker 3: What you described to me, sounds like a punishment for

1445
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 3: somebody who entered the Capitol with a gun.

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01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 5: In their hands.

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Speaker 3: Then I would say, wow, you know you need to

1448
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 3: be locked up, But to go there and just speak

1449
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 3: and then be chaperoned in and out.

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01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: And I was.

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01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 5: Literally there doing my job, Like you know, I wasn't

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01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,759
Speaker 5: even there to be a protester. I was a director

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 5: and a you know, a chaperone of a scheduled speaker.

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Speaker 3: So with a permit, Yeah, you had a permit to

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01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 3: go there.

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01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 5: I told my lawyers and everyone if they if they

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Speaker 5: were going to even make a pretense that this was fair,

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01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 5: they would have found the one guy that they would say, oh,

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Speaker 5: he's not actually guilty. That would have been me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what more?

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Speaker 5: They could have placated their leftist base.

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Speaker 3: What happened to say, like you actually jumped through the

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Speaker 3: window because there were people on the west side, I.

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Speaker 5: Think those are I think those are government operatives. I

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01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 5: don't think they were charged. They weren't identified people that

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Speaker 5: broke through the windows in the side. Early on.

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Speaker 3: There is a video that I was watching where you

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Speaker 3: see people people from the west side of the Capitol

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Speaker 3: tackle gear going in through the window. What happened to those.

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Speaker 1: Speeds an organized military insurgeon unit.

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Speaker 3: That was from earlier in the day. That's what you believe.

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Speaker 3: You believe that it was organized because those where are

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Speaker 3: those people? They would have been pardoned right now and

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Speaker 3: we could be talking to them. Correct, So these people

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Speaker 3: who walked in through the window are nowhere to be found.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: I know a girl, I think that was on the

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Speaker 4: east side of the building and she entered the Capitol

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Speaker 4: through a broken window.

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Speaker 1: Sorry I'm laughing, but you know, I mean you kind

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Speaker 1: of have to laugh right after it was broken. She

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Speaker 1: broke it.

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Speaker 4: But I guess the point is, like it just shows

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Speaker 4: again the disparity of how nothing makes any sense because

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Speaker 4: this girl actually went into the building. She entered the

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Speaker 4: building by crawling into a broken window. And she was

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Speaker 4: sentenced to two months of probation. That was her total sentence,

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Speaker 4: two months of probation. He goes to prison for almost

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Speaker 4: three years. You know, I get cross her and rest

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01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 4: and you know, all this other stuff are not even

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Speaker 4: entering the building. And I'm glad by the I don't

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Speaker 4: wish she had it worse, Like I don't wish that.

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Speaker 4: But she walked into she went into the Capitol through

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Speaker 4: a broken window.

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Speaker 3: And the more famous you are, yes, the worst punishment.

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Speaker 1: And they said that out loud.

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Speaker 4: It's not even speculation. I mean they were punishing people

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Speaker 4: who had influence. Basically, they said, if you had influence

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Speaker 4: and you were anywhere near this thing, you should have

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Speaker 4: known better. And we're going to teach you an extra

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01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 4: deterrent because there's a responsibility for having influence.

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Speaker 1: And you, you know, you.

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 4: You broke the trust of that responsibility or however they

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Speaker 4: want to view that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 5: But again, the judge literally said, I'm sending a message

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Speaker 5: because you have been running around the country telling people

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01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 5: that the DC court system is corrupt and unfair, which

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01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 5: it is.

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Speaker 1: And Exhibit A was my trial.

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01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 5: So he said, I am going to punish you more

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Speaker 5: harshly for the crime of criticizing the government.

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Speaker 3: That really sounds like communist China.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is.

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Speaker 5: It's it's communism, bascism, all of these you know, totalitarian

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01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 5: concentrations of power in a single source that says do

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Speaker 5: what I say or I'll crush you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And so, as an American citizen, I didn't do anything wrong.

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Speaker 5: I'm supposedly supposed to have due process. During the course

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Speaker 5: of time, I continue to articulate with free speech, the

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01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 5: First Amendment right that I have, that I am innocent,

1523
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 5: the government's guilty, they're corrupt. There's evidence here, check it out.

1524
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 5: See what you think. That's all legal, that's all appropriate.

1525
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 5: But then that was that was used as evidence that I'm,

1526
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 5: you know, a worse criminal than anyone else.

1527
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 4: And every single one of us were punished for speech

1528
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 4: like I didn't know that many J six people before

1529
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 4: j six, now after I know dozens and dozens.

1530
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:37,759
Speaker 1: I've heard all of their stories.

1531
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 4: I know we all share this common experience that we

1532
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 4: were in court with these judges. And I'm not even

1533
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 4: paraphrasing this is literally, like word for word, what the

1534
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 4: judges said in nearly every case. We're not going to

1535
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 4: punish mister Strand or mister Strock for his speech. He

1536
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 4: has First Amendment rights. However, mister Strock said, you know,

1537
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 4: patriots stormed the Capitol from all sides, and mister Strock

1538
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 4: said blah blah blah blah, and these statements indicate that

1539
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,799
Speaker 4: mister Strock doesn't take the events of January sixth seriously,

1540
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 4: and therefore we're going to teach him a deterrent. So

1541
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 4: it started with you're not gonna be punished for your speech,

1542
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 4: but you said this, and that's why we're gonna punish you.

1543
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 5: The gas lighting was insane, insane black robe gaslighting, and

1544
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 5: it was over and over and over again every one

1545
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 5: of these trials. You can go through the transcripts, you

1546
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 5: can see what was said, and they said, this isn't

1547
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 5: about political Judge Cooper, my judge, this ain't about free speech.

1548
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 6: But you said this, and you said this, but then

1549
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 6: the entire thing was based on tweets and private text messages.

1550
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 6: My judge admitted, there is no evidence of you actually

1551
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 6: doing anything because I didn't do anything. He said, it's

1552
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 6: kind of tough to prove criminal intent. He said that,

1553
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 6: like in the book, I go through transcript lines and

1554
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 6: it's unbelievable what he admitted on the record. And yet

1555
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 6: but I'm going to put you in prison for almost

1556
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 6: three years.

1557
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 4: Well that's why I think the community that we kind

1558
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 4: of found with each other after the fact is so important,

1559
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 4: because we do sometime like if I were just sitting

1560
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 4: around talking with people who didn't know much about January second,

1561
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 4: probably wouldn't be laughing but when we're around each other,

1562
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 4: we will laugh about the most horrible things that happened

1563
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 4: to us because we all experienced it.

1564
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 5: And we didn't get a chance to say this earlier,

1565
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 5: but Brandon and I met each other in the course

1566
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 5: of that crazy year of twenty twenty, with the lockdowns

1567
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 5: and the re election campaign for Trump. I was leading

1568
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 5: a freedom rally in Beverly Hills that grew to tens

1569
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 5: of thousands of people right here in LA you probably

1570
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 5: saw this, and so we walk away did an event

1571
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 5: in Los Angeles, so we combined and had thousands of people.

1572
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 3: It was Oh, yes, I know which one it was.

1573
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:40,879
Speaker 5: It was amazing.

1574
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: It's huge.

1575
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 5: And so we met that damn person. I'd known him

1576
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 5: from Afar, really loved the work he was doing, and

1577
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 5: but we just we clicked. And then we went through

1578
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 5: this war period of all these things that happened, and

1579
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 5: then after the January sixth arrests and we're figuring out

1580
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 5: what's going on, there was some space and then we

1581
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 5: kind of reconnected, and then we've really helped just support

1582
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 5: each other through the endurance of all these things. So,

1583
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 5: you know, figuring out how to go to trial and

1584
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,759
Speaker 5: figuring out what's going on with all these media attacks

1585
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 5: and the judge leaked documents that caused even more negative

1586
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 5: effects for Brandon and then I go to prison. I'm disappeared.

1587
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 5: Like it has been, it's been insane, But I mean,

1588
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 5: I'm so glad that we have each other and that

1589
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 5: we've been able to to support each other.

1590
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: And just experience has been everything. Yeah, the.

1591
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 5: Battle tested friendship that we have and the relationships that

1592
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 5: we've developed with other J sixers is it's forged and fire, truly,

1593
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 5: and it's a really special bond and connection and opportunity

1594
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 5: that we have to.

1595
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 3: Aside from the pardon, which is obviously very significant, probably

1596
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 3: everything is the White House doing anything else? Is there? Like?

1597
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, we hope that we hope that the White

1598
01:15:58,040 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: House will.

1599
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 5: Reach out and really honor the Jase have an event

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01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 5: of some kind. Like I said, I think we need

1601
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 5: to have some memorialization. I think there should be a

1602
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 5: memorial in the Capitol building establishing a history. Now we

1603
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 5: need more of the truth to come out. This is

1604
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 5: where we get back to the Cash Hotel and Nambongino conversation.

1605
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 5: They need to really get their sleeves rolled up and

1606
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 5: get to work I believe they will. We will be

1607
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 5: helping to support and push that charge in the court

1608
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 5: of public opinion and building public support for that. The

1609
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 5: RJ six movement is really important to help establish the

1610
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 5: need and the truth and public demand for restorative justice,

1611
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 5: which includes victim recovery, but a government accountability.

1612
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 4: You know, and there has to be some sort of

1613
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 4: like financial restoration first of all, just from a practical standpoint,

1614
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 4: because a lot of these people that even though they

1615
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 4: were treated like terrorists and classified as terrorists, were people

1616
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 4: in their sixties and seventies, you know, with no prior

1617
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 4: criminal record.

1618
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: They'll never recover from this.

1619
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 4: People who they lost their life savings, their homes, their cars,

1620
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 4: everything that they had, and they're old like they can't recover.

1621
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 4: So from a practical standpoint, it has to be done.

1622
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 4: But you know, all of us kept hearing for years,

1623
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 4: you know, we need to be taught a deterrent.

1624
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: We need to be taught a deterrent.

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01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 4: I believe the government needs to be taught a deterrent

1626
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 4: to never do this to anyone ever again. And if

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01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 4: that means, you know, hitting them hard with some sort

1628
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 4: of compensation package that they need to offer the people

1629
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 4: that they did this to I think that's the deterrent

1630
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 4: that our government should be taught to make sure that

1631
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 4: they never do this to people again.

1632
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: And also for the public to recognize. Right.

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01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 5: I think we have to have a national reckoning with

1634
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 5: January sixth, you know, start to finish. We need to

1635
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 5: get completely to the bottom of everything that happened, how

1636
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 5: and why it happened. It's really critical because you can't

1637
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 5: have a country built on lies, and we've been operating

1638
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 5: in this wartime environment with this issue about attack on

1639
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,839
Speaker 5: democracy and all of these inversions that are the opposite

1640
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 5: of what's going on, you know, and we see Elon

1641
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 5: Musk pulling the curtain back on the government how it's

1642
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 5: been operating, and we realized for decades the government has

1643
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 5: been stealing all our money and then running all these

1644
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 5: scams with NGOs and shell game to basically hollow out

1645
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 5: the middle class and keep an entrenched bureaucracy rich and

1646
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 5: in control. So we have to have a national reckoning

1647
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 5: with these things. January sixth has been a big part

1648
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 5: of that attack, and I think we need to, you know,

1649
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 5: to come to terms with that as a nation.

1650
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 3: Will be interesting to see what comes out.

1651
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they need to have a Republican Select Committee.

1652
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: I believe they said they were going to do that.

1653
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 4: And I have to believe that Donald Trump himself has

1654
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 4: enough skin in the game to want to see that happen,

1655
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 4: since he was basically blamed for the entire thing.

1656
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: Right, But.

1657
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's still who's the pipe bomber? Right,

1658
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 4: Who's the J SX pipe bomber? Like do we ever

1659
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 4: get to find that out?

1660
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 5: Like this and this Pelosi's fixer guy, I want to

1661
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 5: learn more about that. I mean, we know Pelosi declined

1662
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 5: the ten thousand National Guard troops. We know she and

1663
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 5: Mark Milly essentially conspired to set up the ground for

1664
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 5: this to occur. So how are we not talking about that?

1665
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 5: Why are we not demanding accountability for officials in the

1666
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 5: highest positions of power and leadership that are supposed to

1667
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 5: literally safeguard our country and clearly acted in a way

1668
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 5: to cause this kind of thing to happen. Liz Cheney,

1669
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 5: get this, Liz Cheney, this is not my opinion. This

1670
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 5: has proven. Congressman Ludermilk says, I have the receipts. It's

1671
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 5: open and shutcase. She violated the exact twenty year felony

1672
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 5: statute that they put me in prison for. It's fifteen

1673
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 5: twelve c. Two that they put me in prison for

1674
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,839
Speaker 5: that fifteen twelve. The title of the statute is tampering

1675
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 5: with a witness, victim or informant. She tampered with a

1676
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 5: witness and destroyed evidence, two different counts of fifteen twelve

1677
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 5: that Liz Cheney violated.

1678
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah, she should be facing forty years.

1679
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 3: How So what did she specifically do.

1680
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 5: She tampered with a witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, and she destroyed evidence,

1681
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 5: altered and or destroy It's gone, it's destroyed.

1682
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 4: So Tassie Hutchinson is the witness to claim that she

1683
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 4: knew that had tried to attack his driver on the

1684
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 4: way to the Capitol and that whole story about trying

1685
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 4: to crawl for it. But we now know that Liz

1686
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 4: Cheney had contacted her in advance of her deposition before

1687
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 4: the January sixth committee and that they had have private conversations,

1688
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 4: which is completely unethical and not supposed to happen.

1689
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: And then yeah, they it's.

1690
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 5: An explicit example of tampering with a witness, which is

1691
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 5: a violation of that twenty year felony statute.

1692
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 4: And one thing I'd like to say too, which is

1693
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 4: really interesting. When John was trying to decide what he

1694
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 4: was going, well, he knew, he always knew he was

1695
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 4: going to trial. He never wavered from that. I went

1696
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 4: out of my way to try to talk him out

1697
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 4: of it, and he knew. He's not a stupid guy,

1698
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 4: He's incredibly smart. He knew he was going to be convicted,

1699
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 4: he knew he was going to be found guilty, and

1700
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 4: he knew what was the road in front of him.

1701
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 1: He could not take a bleed deal.

1702
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 4: He couldn't lie, as he kept saying, bare false witness

1703
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 4: to say that he did these things that he didn't do.

1704
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 4: But what's really interesting is we're two people of a

1705
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 4: very similar nature who took various different paths in this journey.

1706
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 4: And I think that we both look at what the

1707
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 4: outcome was like for each other and don't regret our choices.

1708
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 4: I look at I could have gone to trial, I

1709
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 4: could have experienced what he experienced. I'm glad I didn't.

1710
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 4: I'm glad that what happened to him didn't happen to me.

1711
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 4: And I think that vice versa. He looks at what

1712
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 4: it's done to me to confess to things that I

1713
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 4: didn't do, and I'll never be the same person I

1714
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 4: was again. I mean, it's the toll it takes on

1715
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 4: a person mentally, spiritually, and in every way to say

1716
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 4: that you did something you didn't do. You can't really

1717
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 4: recover from that. And I think that as horrible as

1718
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 4: the hell that he went through was, I think he would.

1719
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 4: I think he still probably feels like, You're glad you

1720
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 4: didn't take a plea deal.

1721
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 3: Really, John, you don't regret it.

1722
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: Not for a single second.

1723
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,839
Speaker 3: Ever, What if you could go back to January fourth

1724
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 3: and never be in DC during that time?

1725
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 5: So, I mean, the Bible says that we should be wise, right,

1726
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 5: So if you have advanced intel to avoid a potentially

1727
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 5: dangerous situation, it's definitely worth considering if you should make

1728
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 5: a wise choice or whatnot. So I'm not saying I

1729
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 5: would just dive in because I love all the insanity

1730
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 5: of it or whatnot, but assuming that I had no

1731
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 5: way to know that, which no one did. Of course,

1732
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 5: I'm very grateful for and very proud of everything I

1733
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 5: did that week, that day, and and then and my

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Speaker 5: choices thereafter.

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Speaker 3: Do you have more faith in the FBI and our

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Speaker 3: justice system now that no things have changed, have things

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Speaker 3: changed at all?

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Speaker 1: I have?

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Speaker 5: I have no faith that is not earned from the government,

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01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 5: and the government has.

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01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: Been incredibly what's the word, what is the The.

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01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 5: Government has been an unbelievable failure, disappointment, and a danger

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Speaker 5: to its own citizens. I am exhibit A literally, So

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that I don't have optimism and hope.

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01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 5: I certainly do. I support President Trump as strongly as

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Speaker 5: anyone in this country. I went to prison for him.

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Speaker 5: I would do it again. I believe strongly in his

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Speaker 5: cabinet that he has chosen and the picks that is selected,

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Speaker 5: in particular Cash Betel and Dan Bongino. I think that's

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Speaker 5: very very good sign. So I'm hopeful, But no, do

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Speaker 5: I currently view the FBI as a terrorist organization. I

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01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 5: have said that publicly many times, and I mean it,

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01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 5: and so I'm hopeful that that changes quickly, but it

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01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 5: needs to. But that's, you know, that's the honest answer

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Speaker 5: of where I stand now.

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Speaker 3: What does the next chapter in your life look like?

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Speaker 5: Mine could be all kinds of things. I'm very excited about.

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01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 5: I'm very excited about the book that I wrote in prison,

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01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 5: which is called Patriot Plea. You can pre order it

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01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 5: now at Johnstrand dot com. And I really hope, Marissa

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01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 5: that you will read this book. It will blow your mind.

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01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 5: I spare no expense on the details, and it's just

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01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 5: an insane story of kind of where God has brought

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01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 5: me to this point and then what happened with January sixth,

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01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 5: then everything after. It's also a really interesting call to

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01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 5: courage and call to patriotism for you know, people of

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01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 5: my generation. It's time to really step up to the

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Speaker 5: plate of what it really means to be an American.

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Speaker 5: And that's why I have hope about reforming the FBI

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Speaker 5: and reforming the government, because I believe that there are

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Speaker 5: people like Brandon and myself that have what it takes,

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01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 5: and that have a calling and have a responsibility and

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01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 5: a duty as a citizen that we are totally capable

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Speaker 5: of taking. So I'm excited about sharing that message and

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01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 5: really to continue to advocate for the restorative justice that

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01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 5: needs to happen for our nation overall. Related to January sixth,

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01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 5: certainly victim recovery for people that have had their lives destroyed.

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01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 5: There are over fifteen hundred people that were arrested. Their

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01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 5: lives have been devastated beyond comprehension. Brand and I are

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Speaker 5: both working on a project right now called we arejsix

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01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 5: dot com that is doing a lot of work to

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01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 5: help expose the false narrative, educate the public about what

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01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 5: really happened. Share with the public who we are, who

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01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 5: are J six ers, We are J six That's Brandon Struck,

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01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 5: it's John's Strand, it's doctor Gold, it's various people. But

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01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 5: we're Americans. Were your coworkers and neighbors and brothers and sisters,

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01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,560
Speaker 5: and so we need the public to understand that. So

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01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 5: we're going to bring those stories as well as advocate

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01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 5: for financial restitution, which is really necessary for these people.

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Speaker 3: Brandon, you started the organization walk Away many years ago.

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Speaker 3: Can you just explain what it is real quick?

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Speaker 4: Walk Away is still I think very much an important

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01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 4: and necessary movement that's happening in this country. And in fact,

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01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 4: I would argue that the twenty twenty four election was

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01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 4: the walk away election. I mean Donald Trump incorporated into

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01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 4: his team Elon Musk, Tulca Gabbard, Rfk Junior, so many

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01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 4: people who were once Democrats and now walking away.

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Speaker 1: And I think, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, as terrible as the last four years were for

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Speaker 4: everybody in this country one way or another, it did

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01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 4: offer us the opportunity to see what life was like

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01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 4: four years of Trump, four years of Biden, and now

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01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 4: we have an opportunity once again to write the ship.

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01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: And I think that you know what really pushed Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump over the.

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Speaker 4: Top, where that so many black people, Hispanic people, LGBT people,

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01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 4: Jewish people made the decision to walk away from the

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01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 4: monolith that they've been voting for the Democrats in these

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01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 4: large voting blocks and say, I'm going to we have

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01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 4: to try something different. This is not the America that

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Speaker 4: we want, this is not what We're better than this,

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01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 4: I think, And so you know, I'm going to continue

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Speaker 4: to do the work that I've been doing for seven years,

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Speaker 4: traveling the country, doing colleges, doing minority focused down halls, marches, rallies,

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01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 4: educational videos, and getting as many people to walk away.

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01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 4: And if people believe in that mission, they can go

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Speaker 4: to Walkway campaign dot com.

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Speaker 3: John and Brandon, thank you for coming in. I'm just

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Speaker 3: going to continue praying for you. I've been praying for

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Speaker 3: you for years, and I'm going to continue to do it,

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01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 3: and I want to invite everybody who's listening to continue

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01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 3: to pray for you because you have been through hell

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01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 3: and back and you know only God, only God. I

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01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 3: think there's been a lot of God recently and we

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01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 3: should be incredibly grateful for how how the Almighty puts

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01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 3: his in our country.

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