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Speaker 4: Good morning, it is Friday, July tenth, with another Breaking

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Speaker 4: Points Friday show. We've got one Ryan Graham and one

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Speaker 4: Emily Joshinsky on my side of the time zone.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't it suck waking up this early?

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Speaker 6: It's brutal. I was going to say Ryan's outnumbered.

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Speaker 7: We've got two California broadcast locations today.

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Speaker 8: Well, we're about to have another East Coaster join us.

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Speaker 8: But yes, you were all the way in California all week,

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Speaker 8: all the way at the beach, hanging us out to

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Speaker 8: dry with bro shows on quite an awkward week.

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Speaker 5: What are timing for bro shows?

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Speaker 4: I just want to say, you know, as the programmer

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Speaker 8: We did a great job of our cup with our coverage.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Yes, So now we have here and the

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Speaker 8: So we'll have treat de Parsi on later in the

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Speaker 8: program to talk about the latest strikes going back and forth. Uh,

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Speaker 8: the US, because it wants to constantly go for the

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Speaker 8: title of the like most vindictive and petty country on

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Speaker 8: the planet, bombed the rail lines on the way in

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Speaker 8: and out of Mashad, the city where they're holding the

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Speaker 8: funeral for the Ayatola. Like the only purpose of strikes

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Speaker 8: like that, could you be just to deeply inconvenience and

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Speaker 8: supreme leader that the US assassinated to start this war.

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Speaker 8: But let's start talking about the process for replacing Graham

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Speaker 8: Platner on the main Senate ballot line. Is this has

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Speaker 8: this was the contentious decision that had Grand Platner, you know,

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Speaker 8: withholding his resignation. He still hasn't filed his paperwork. He

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Speaker 8: said he's going to do it on Monday. His argument was,

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Speaker 8: we won more We won more votes than any other

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Speaker 8: campaign in the history of Maine, and we did so

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Speaker 8: on the back of a populist, anti genocide, anti war message,

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Speaker 8: and we want to make sure that whoever replaces us

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Speaker 8: is also has a similar agenda. Otherwise it is a

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Speaker 8: coup against the kind of the people of Maine. And

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Speaker 8: the main Democratic Party pushed back, saying that they don't

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Speaker 8: want Platner's campaign to have anything to do with it.

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Speaker 8: So they've now structured and they're in the process of

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Speaker 8: hundred delegates and we're going to choose the next nominee.

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Speaker 8: Nathan Bernard, whose drop sites reporter in Maine, is going

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Speaker 8: to has some news on that is going to break

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Speaker 8: that down. But first you want to play the latest

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Speaker 8: from Devin Murphy Anderson, the Maine of.

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Speaker 1: Course executive director.

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Speaker 8: This is the Democratic Party executive director in Maine who

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Speaker 8: last night gave an update on the process.

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Speaker 9: As you all know, we have been absolutely committed to transparency.

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Speaker 9: So even though it is incredibly late at night, I

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Speaker 6: We are so.

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Speaker 9: Excited to announce that our process for US Senate candidate

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Speaker 9: is now live. Candidates now have the ability to submit

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Speaker 9: their declaration of intent and begin engaging Maine Democrats in

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Speaker 9: fully committed to transparency, so we are making those candidate

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Speaker 9: rules available to everyone and you can read them at

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Speaker 9: maindums dot org. We are continuing to race towards the

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Speaker 9: like this from the ground to mainners. Thank you for

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Speaker 5: All right, Ryan, have you gone to Maine Dems dot org.

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Speaker 8: I have, I have not yet. I bet Nathan has.

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Speaker 8: Do you want to bring in? Don't want to bring

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Speaker 1: Nathan. Welcome to the show. How are you good? Good?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 8: No, I was just saying Nathan is breaking a lot

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Nathan, how are you doing this morning?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining good.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, people are still hitting me up this morning pretty

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Speaker 11: much constantly. And to be clear, Devin Devin Murphy Anderson

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Speaker 1: Right right, those are right?

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Speaker 8: So that so the process is finalized for how candidates

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Speaker 1: Griffin.

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Speaker 8: If you have Nathan's tweet, you can put that up

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Speaker 8: and Nathan kind of it seems like this person got

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Speaker 1: Skis Yeah, that guy that jumped the gun vote.

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Speaker 5: Bruce Bryant, Yeah, great name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bruce Bryant. Bruce Bryant.

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Speaker 11: I guess he was in this meeting last night with

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Speaker 11: be elected. Bruce went on to his personal face book

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll read it for the audience in case you're

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Speaker 4: listening on audio. It says press release, Oxford County, Maine.

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Speaker 4: Bruce Bryant, chair of the Oxford County Democrats, is convening

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Speaker 4: a county caucus for the purpose of electing delegates to

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Speaker 4: the Nominating Convention for the United States Senate on July nineteenth,

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Speaker 4: Democrats are encouraged to intend. And that's a Sunday, right.

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Speaker 1: That's a Sunday.

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Speaker 11: And the Cumberland County Democrats, which is by far the

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Speaker 11: top level, we're going to choose six hundred delegates across

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Speaker 1: They're the ones that are designed.

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Speaker 8: Yeah pause on that, Nathan, Because there's been a lot

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Speaker 8: Because some people might hear like one hundred party people

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Speaker 8: maybe that's true, but it's also possible that genuine party

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Speaker 5: How super are these delegates?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? They're pretty super to me.

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Speaker 11: Okay, yeah, yeah, these are largely party stooges, hacks that

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Speaker 8: The revolution is unfinished in Maine.

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Speaker 11: Revolution is unfinished. Delegates very super, I would say for

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Speaker 8: Okay, so you got those hundred and then the other

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Speaker 7: Well, I was just going to say, structurally, which candidates

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Speaker 11: I mean, I think we have to see how the

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Speaker 11: going to be decided, and we withdrop site, we obtained

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Speaker 11: kind of the proportional breakdown of how that's going to look.

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Speaker 11: I guess the main Democratic Party looked at twenty twenty

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Speaker 11: that like Cumberland County where Portland is, for instance, will

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Speaker 11: Troy Jackson won Portland's huge, so maybe it helps him.

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Speaker 11: I've heard two different kind of stories though, of how

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Speaker 1: Will be chosen.

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Speaker 11: One is the Bruce Ryan kind of line of thinking

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Speaker 1: It's going to be more democratic.

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Speaker 8: Walk us through the candidates a little bit. So Troy

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Speaker 8: Bernie Sanders yesterday he oh and Griffin, you have this

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Speaker 8: yesterday he so, and I guess I'll have to take

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Speaker 8: ending the genocide and stopping the forever wars. He hadn't

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Speaker 8: mentioned that, but yesterday Troy Jackson, in response to the

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Speaker 8: Gaza could watch the World Cup. Israel killed him, which

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Speaker 8: we covered on the show. Troy Jackson comes out and says,

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Speaker 11: There's such angst of people and such worry that whoever

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Speaker 8: On the public health front. There's a complicating factor here.

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Speaker 8: Many of our heroes lost their lives under Neurov Shah's

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Speaker 8: I wonder how devastating that is to to Shaw, if

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Speaker 1: A little inside baseball here, this is mini scoop for you.

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Speaker 11: So during the gubernatorial primary, pingree Bellows Jackson the whole cohort,

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Speaker 1: They wanted to run ads on it.

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Speaker 11: They were really pushing to get this information out there,

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Speaker 11: He suppressed potential care to marginalized communities, and furthermore, he

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Speaker 1: So I think if he were the nominee, I know

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Speaker 11: That the volunteers for Platinir, which are thousands of people,

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Speaker 1: So there's real risks.

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Speaker 8: And I guess, well, Susan Collins could put up an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's real risks, and I just want to

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Speaker 11: I guess back to the overarching I can talk to

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Speaker 1: Just no one wants that. No one thinks that's good.

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Speaker 11: Right, Even if we have these caucuses that decide five

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Speaker 8: I would I would anecdote anecdotally, like what are you

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Speaker 7: Because it does seem like at first there was total

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Speaker 11: I've just heard it too many times at this point.

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Speaker 11: And there's different reasons that that unity that you talk

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Speaker 11: There's other people though that I think if you're just

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Speaker 11: And the other side of that fracture is that because

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Speaker 11: It's mixed, right, it's this isn't people are hurt, right,

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Speaker 4: So people are feeling like there's an establishment coup. People

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's foolish for people to the establishment

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Speaker 11: So again I think there is a part of that

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Speaker 11: the system, that represented someone who could be in this

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Speaker 11: office and gain seniority for years to come. I think

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Speaker 11: it would be foolish just to say that played no

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Speaker 11: part in it, right, that's not Troy Jackson.

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Speaker 7: They cannot, I mean truly, Nathan, You'll know, this depressing

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Speaker 7: turnout is going to be a disaster. You know, if

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Speaker 7: you have depressed grassroots activists who just are disillusioned by

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Speaker 7: the party and not excited, not even just the grass

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Speaker 7: act of activists, but Democrats center left type people in

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Speaker 7: November who just say, I'm not showing up for this,

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Speaker 7: so I'm not excited about this person. That was the

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Speaker 7: edge that Plattner had until recently in a close race.

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Speaker 6: That really is a disaster for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not good.

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Speaker 11: And I think that there are certainly there's all sorts

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Speaker 11: of talks, and I think I'll post some stuff just

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Speaker 11: about how volunteers are approaching who will be and the

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Speaker 11: people that have dedicated the most time to this race

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Speaker 11: are approaching who the next candidate will be. And Ryan

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Speaker 11: and I have texted a bit about this already, but

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Speaker 11: I think.

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Speaker 1: The other people.

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Speaker 6: Is it going to be Ryan, It's it's you.

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Speaker 1: Know, actually the best Canada.

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Speaker 11: I think miss Rachel is from Benneford Main so she

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Speaker 11: I wish you would run. But I think the other

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Speaker 11: people that are potentially going to step in here across

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Speaker 11: the board, they all just lost their primaries. They all

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Speaker 11: just lost, right, they're all loose. I hate to say it,

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Speaker 11: but soly like yeah, like they literally respect lost due respect,

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Speaker 11: due respect. But and one of them, uh, there's a guy,

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Speaker 11: Dan Kleeban running who runs main beer company here, fantastic beer.

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Speaker 1: Horrible candidate. Yeah, and he uh he.

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Speaker 11: Ran for two days, he raised I think two hundred

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Speaker 11: and fifty thousand dollars and then dropped out and gave

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Speaker 11: it to Janet Mills because Chuck Schumer said, hey, Dan,

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Speaker 11: this is our girl.

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Speaker 1: Like now you gotta go.

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Speaker 11: And he's coming out and posting all this stuff of

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Speaker 11: it's a genocide.

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Speaker 1: I want medicare for all. What are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 11: So it's all that sort of stuff too, where I'd

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Speaker 11: take it same with the Shaw stuff, take it with

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Speaker 11: a gran of soul. These people all just lost their primary.

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Speaker 11: They're unemployed politicians that want to now jump at the

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Speaker 11: next race to run in was like.

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Speaker 1: We were like one more minute.

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Speaker 8: Shanna Bellows deserves a little time here because she, you know,

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Speaker 8: she's kind of popular across the board. She knock on

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Speaker 8: her if there is one, as she ran in twenty

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Speaker 8: fourteen against Susan Collins, so Collins has been there, done that.

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Speaker 8: Now she is much more a grown politician at this point.

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Speaker 8: Now she finished a tight what fourth in the third

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Speaker 8: or fourth in the governor's race, fourth, but everybody was

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Speaker 8: kind of lumped together. She was part of the trinity

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Speaker 8: of Troy Jackson, Pingree and Bellows. Quick thoughts on her.

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Speaker 8: I mean, obviously she's not the anti establishment fire brand,

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Speaker 8: but she's pretty progressive and well liked across the state.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's good. She's the secretary of State right now.

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Speaker 11: She blocked Ice from getting access to our license plate information.

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Speaker 11: She's blocked Trump from getting our voter roles. She's very

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Speaker 11: pro labor. The labor unions love her. She absolutely would

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Speaker 11: be for medicare for all. I would assume that she

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Speaker 11: would call out the genocide in Gaza and be against

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Speaker 11: forever wars.

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Speaker 1: So she's a good option.

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Speaker 11: And if it's not Troy I think depending on how

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Speaker 11: these caucuses go and how this finest final county level

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Speaker 11: delegate election system is decided, someone like her probably has

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Speaker 11: the best chance, right because the party likes her, people

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Speaker 11: generally like her. And then I guess the last guy

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Speaker 11: that's running is Jordan Would. He lost his Senate race.

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Speaker 11: He then went and lost the Congressional District two race,

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Speaker 11: and now he's back in Senate race running it again.

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Speaker 8: His husband is with Mothership Strategies, which is the email

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Speaker 8: firm that pioneered the panic emails in your inbox that

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Speaker 8: like try to look like utility bills and like the

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Speaker 8: sky's falling if you don't give us three dollars. So

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Speaker 8: he raises a lot of money, but he's got a shot.

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Speaker 8: He spends it all then on fundraising. Not he doesn't

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Speaker 8: use his husband's firm to his credit, but he uses.

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Speaker 6: So there's a good drop site.

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Speaker 7: There's a good drop site story on that, right right, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: he's raised.

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Speaker 11: He switched races to CD two just because he was

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Speaker 11: losing it a hurry, raised I think two million dollars

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Speaker 11: in the Senate race, and then raised another several million

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Speaker 11: dollars from doing the gun to my head, I'll vote

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Speaker 11: for Democrats email headers.

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Speaker 8: And to raise every one of those dollars you have

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Speaker 8: to spend like ninety five cents, so like it comes

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Speaker 8: out in the FEC like, oh, look, I raised four

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Speaker 8: million dollars. It's like, yeah, but you spent three point

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Speaker 8: eight million on Facebook and on email like raising that,

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Speaker 8: so it's not as it seems.

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Speaker 4: Well, Nathan, Nathan, thank you so much for joining us

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Speaker 4: today and informing us from the trenches of Facebook. Please

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Speaker 4: continue that that reporting there for us, because I'm certainly

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Speaker 4: not on Facebook anymore, and I'm sure there'll be more

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Speaker 4: reporting from you for us to share in the future.

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Speaker 4: Where can people find you if they want to individually

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Speaker 4: keep tracking your updates.

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Speaker 11: I'll keep writing for a drop site on this. You know,

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Speaker 11: Ryan and I are following the race. We've been at

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Speaker 11: this for almost a year now, So drop site you

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Speaker 11: can look for the written pieces and then Twitter, Nathan T.

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Speaker 11: Bernard you can follow me on there as well, and

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Speaker 11: I'll be posting stuff.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, glad I could share in Shaw we trust.

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Speaker 4: That's the Shaw of Maine, not Iron. Thank thank you, Nathan.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you later to.

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Speaker 8: Oh that's really return of the shot.

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Speaker 4: And just just when he thought he was out, they

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Speaker 4: pulled him back in his mug.

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Speaker 1: They inshah lah with a little music.

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Speaker 4: Note Tata, Well, this leads us nicely to our ran

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Speaker 4: segment here, doctor Treta Parsi from the Quincy Institute, welcome

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Speaker 4: back to Breaking.

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Speaker 1: Points Crazy be with you guys.

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Speaker 5: Where do we begin Ryan, what do we want to

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Speaker 5: start with here?

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Speaker 8: Well, Treata, we have the two major piece of news,

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Speaker 8: the bombing of the tracks and the other civilian infrastructure.

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Speaker 8: And then did you see Trump talking about arming protesters

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Speaker 8: it Jeremy seemed to think he was implying he was

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Speaker 8: arming the emy k. I thought he was referring again

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Speaker 8: to the Kords. Did you see this?

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Speaker 1: I needn't see that part, but I could, I could.

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Speaker 1: I would not be surprised that they're taking a second look,

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Speaker 1: if not the Kurds, perhaps at some other groups, the

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Speaker 1: Balucci's or others, because as you know, next week NATANIAO

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Speaker 1: is coming. These Raelis have been very much pushing this

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Speaker 1: narrative that all of this could have worked out so

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Speaker 1: well if just the Kurds had been armed, had it

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Speaker 1: not been for that decision, that have been pulled mainly

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Speaker 1: because they alredy Gone objected, but also because the Kurds objected,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of lost in the story. But had

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Speaker 1: that not happened, then everything would have been awesome, and

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Speaker 1: you know, this war would have been won in four days,

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Speaker 1: which is complete nonsense. I think this is an Israeli

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Speaker 1: effort to kind of give war another chance to secondly,

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Speaker 1: to create a narrative that allows.

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Speaker 8: Them Griffin, let me play this. Let me play this

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Speaker 8: Trump clip for Treata. Right here we go.

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Speaker 12: Idially, and that's an edict that's in writing. If they protest,

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Speaker 12: if they go out in the streets, they will be

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Speaker 12: immediately shot. They don't have guns. You know, we said

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Speaker 12: some guns. But the group that were supposed to give

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Speaker 12: which I said, what happened to my people? I said it.

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Speaker 12: I called it exactly. We said guns, lot of guns.

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Speaker 12: They were supposed to go to. The people said they

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Speaker 12: could fight back to get some ducks.

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Speaker 5: You know what happened.

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Speaker 12: The people that they sent them to kept him because

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Speaker 12: they said, what a beautiful gun.

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Speaker 13: I think I'll keep it.

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Speaker 12: So I'm very upset with a certain group of people,

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Speaker 12: and they're going to pay a big.

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Speaker 5: Price for that. Very poetic for it to be the

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Speaker 5: wild wild West underneath that, right.

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Speaker 8: Ridiculous, what a ridiculous timeline we live in. So there

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Speaker 8: were some who saw that clip and assumed that he

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Speaker 8: was talking about the attempt to arm the Kurds, which

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Speaker 8: is which there's been plenty of public reporting on. Others

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Speaker 8: have seen and said, No, looks like he's talking very specifically.

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Speaker 8: He's talking about January, like we were arming the protesters,

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Speaker 8: which would be somebody like the m EK, some anti

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Speaker 8: anti government group, and then they're saying that they kept

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Speaker 8: the guns.

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Speaker 14: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Treated your seeing that, your reaction to it.

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Speaker 8: But also like, what what do we draw from the

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Speaker 8: fact that he's still kind of blustering about this their

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Speaker 8: inability to kind of sparkle uprising that is successful there.

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Speaker 15: I do think he's talking about the Kurdish groups, because

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Speaker 15: there was an effort back then to give weapons to

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Speaker 15: Kurdish groups that would then be part of the war effort,

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Speaker 15: as well as Kurtish groups that actually were part.

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Speaker 1: Of the violent elements of the protests back in December

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Speaker 1: and January. There's a group called the Pak which actually

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Speaker 1: was trained by the United States back in twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: to take on isis now it was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: an Iraqi Kurtish group, but it was an Iranian Kurtish group.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the US didn't know that it

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Speaker 1: was an Iranian Kurtish groups, but nevertheless they trained it

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Speaker 1: and it's been a very violent group, and it was

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Speaker 1: using violence throughout the protest, even before the protest. So

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Speaker 1: I suspect that there's some Kurtish groups that he's talking about,

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Speaker 1: and he's mentioned in other intviews that is very upset

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Speaker 1: with occurs now. They didn't do it because at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, the Turks into them, but also

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Speaker 1: some of the Kurdish leaders of the Kurdish government in

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Speaker 1: northern Iraq were dead set against it because they knew

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Speaker 1: that it would be a disaster and they knew that

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Speaker 1: they would end up paying the price for it because

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Speaker 1: of the round in retaliation. The Israelis are very much

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Speaker 1: pushed this narrative that everything would have been just amazing

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Speaker 1: had this Operation Will the Courage gone through, and I

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Speaker 1: don't believe that for a second. I think it would

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Speaker 1: have been a disaster in many different ways. But it's

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Speaker 1: an Israeli effort to essentially give war another chance to

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Speaker 1: claim this narrative that everything would have worked out well

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Speaker 1: had this just one thing been done correctly, and that

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Speaker 1: way go back and be able to say we still

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Speaker 1: can do war because we actually didn't really fully try

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Speaker 1: regime change.

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Speaker 6: And we were talking about what that might mean, just

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Speaker 6: in terms of going back to the beginning of the war.

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Speaker 7: Natanyahu seemed to convince Trump that that was a great

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Speaker 7: plan and obviously didn't work out the way that Natahu

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Speaker 7: told the President that it would this time around Trea.

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Speaker 7: What could we see happen if that's if that attempt

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Speaker 7: at least is successful.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. On the Iranian side, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of folks that are very worried that the whole

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Speaker 1: MoU is just used to be able to for the

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Speaker 1: United States to be able to prepare itself for another

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Speaker 1: around the war, And given how the US under Trump

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Speaker 1: has behavior, is not necessarily surprising that they would think so.

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Speaker 1: When you take a look at the fundamentals of the situation,

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Speaker 1: you're still seeing a scenario on which only a third

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Speaker 1: or so of the traffic of the Strait is actually

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Speaker 1: up and running. We're not seeing the strategic reserve of

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Speaker 1: oil actually being filled up in the manner that I

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Speaker 1: think the administration was hoping for. The second and third

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Speaker 1: level consequences of the previous oil shock is still being felt,

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Speaker 1: some of it has not even started yet. So to

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Speaker 1: under these circumstances restock the war without having at a

671
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Speaker 1: minimum a completely different approach and strategy, to me, does

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Speaker 1: not seem to be something that possibly could work. If

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Speaker 1: there's going to be another world, they're going to have

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Speaker 1: to think it through very differently. And the circumstances are

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Speaker 1: not such that there's been enough recuperation. And I don't

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Speaker 1: have the data on what the levels of interceptors, etc. Are,

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Speaker 1: but it certainly doesn't look as if that in any way,

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Speaker 1: shape or form has managed to be restocked in order

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Speaker 1: to have another war. What I think may be happening,

680
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Speaker 1: or ends up happening, is that if the war is

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Speaker 1: kept at this level in which it is below the

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Speaker 1: threshold for the Yvannians to close the strait of hormones,

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Speaker 1: then the US may find a degree of benefit in

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Speaker 1: the war because it is degrading the Vannians without paying

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Speaker 1: the price that the US and the world economy was

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Speaker 1: paying when the war actually was fully in in shape,

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Speaker 1: Because that's when the strait was closed, economies around the

688
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: world were suffering tremendously. The Iranians are aware of this

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Speaker 1: as well, but they're also looking at a different scenario,

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Speaker 1: which is that even if the strait is not closed,

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Speaker 1: this warfare is reducing the traffic already, and the reduction

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Speaker 1: of that traffic, combined with the very low inventory of oil,

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Speaker 1: including in the strategic reserve of the United States, which

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Speaker 1: is by the way it is not supposed to be

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00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: used in the matter that it is used, is enough

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Speaker 1: for the US to simply not have enough time to

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Speaker 1: be able to conduct any of these military campaigns in

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Speaker 1: a way that would strengthen its negotiating position. If this is,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, some sort of a

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Speaker 1: negotiating strategy, if I can take it just a step

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00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: back and say, this whole thing is just so idiotic,

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Speaker 1: because there was I mean, look, this whole thing was

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Speaker 1: about the fact that the MoU Article five has different interpretations.

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Speaker 1: I personally don't find the Vanian reading of MoU Article

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Speaker 1: five to be convincing. But their view is that it

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Speaker 1: essentially gives them control over the strait during this period

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Speaker 1: until it is completely reopen and the final agreement has

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Speaker 1: been signed. The GCC and the American interpretation is different

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Speaker 1: in the sense that the cest Varneys are responsible for

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Speaker 1: making sure that this is safe passage, but it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that they're the only ones that are in charge.

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Speaker 1: And has a result, the us AND is using the

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Speaker 1: Southern Corridor in the state, which is in the Omani

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Speaker 1: Waters to pass ship throughs now. The Iranians are saying,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, they can go through there as long as

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Speaker 1: they notify the Ranyans. The Vineys want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that all ships that are transiting the strait are notifying them,

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Speaker 1: because according to the articles, they are. Even though it

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Speaker 1: doesn't use the word responsible, there's the responsible for exactly.

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Speaker 1: So as long as those ships actually do indicate to

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Speaker 1: the Iranians that they're transitting, the Ranius are saying they're

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Speaker 1: not having a problem. The US position and GCC we're like, well,

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Speaker 1: hold on, that kind of gives you complete control. It's

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Speaker 1: better to have a scenario in which if there is

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Speaker 1: any type of notification and notification should go both ways.

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Speaker 1: So there should be some entity on the GCC side

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Speaker 1: that also gets the notifications and someone on the vine side,

728
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: and the two sides were converging towards this agreement, but

729
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Speaker 1: then diplomacy was paused because of the funeral of the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Leader, and during the funeral, Saudi and Katari and

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Speaker 1: I think one other ship was trying to transit through

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Speaker 1: the southern part having its transponders off, which is not

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Speaker 1: permitted apparently, and this caused this big conflict now because

734
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Speaker 1: Levanni saw that as a confrontation, as a provocation, something

735
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Speaker 1: that was being used by Levanni, and attention was on

736
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Speaker 1: the funeral and then eventually shot at these ships. And

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Speaker 1: this is what because Trump to really get infuriated, and

738
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Speaker 1: now this whole thing started. And it really doesn't matter

739
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Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, this is just

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Speaker 1: for about another ten days out of the thirty days

741
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Speaker 1: in which this was supposed to be more or less resolved.

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Speaker 1: It's not entirely the MoU. It was just like ten

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Speaker 1: days left and now we're seeing the entire Mu and

744
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: everything coming crashing down. Frankly, because both sides are overreacting.

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Speaker 1: I think the Iranians were overreacting in terms of using

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Speaker 1: force against these ships, even though they didn't sink any

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Speaker 1: of them. And I think the US is completely overreacting

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Speaker 1: by restarting the war over.

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Speaker 4: Decision somebody else crossed our desks that I would love

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Speaker 4: you to react to. This is from CNN, which says

751
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Speaker 4: that Israel shared intelligence with the US that Iran had

752
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Speaker 4: devised a new plan to assassinate President Donald Trump. Two

753
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Speaker 4: sources familiar with the matter told CNN, and how are

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Speaker 4: we supposed to consume this news? You know it's been

755
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Speaker 4: used in the past assassination attempts on Trump as one

756
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Speaker 4: of the reasons that we have to go to.

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Speaker 5: War with Iran.

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Speaker 4: What do you know about this alleged new assassination attempt?

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Speaker 1: Obviously I have no idea what they're talking about. But

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Speaker 1: let me put it this way. Someone should do a

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Speaker 1: graph of looking at the moments in which these Raelis

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Speaker 1: are releasing this type of intelligence and how it coincides

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Speaker 1: with massive Israeli campaigns to get the war restarted. I

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Speaker 1: think these Raelis are very astute at playing Trump's psychology.

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Speaker 1: They see that he is right now in a very

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Speaker 1: bad space. In general, he seems to have been very

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Speaker 1: upset having to spend the last week with a bunch

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Speaker 1: of EU leaders in NATO that he hates, and on

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Speaker 1: top of that the ivanis are shooting at ships and

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Speaker 1: Ukraine Russia is not going well, so he just seems

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Speaker 1: to be in a terrible, terrible position.

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Speaker 7: And during funeral, probably the funeral clips they were all

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Speaker 7: My assumption is that those were all over Fox News

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Speaker 7: where they were saying assassinate Trump, death to America.

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Speaker 6: That sort of thing, So it probably realizes.

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Speaker 1: Right, certainly, Yeah, But also I think the size of

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Speaker 1: those crowds may have made Trump a little bit jealous.

778
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Speaker 1: It may not have played very well with him either.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, there were slogans et cetera during the

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Speaker 1: funerals calling for revenge against Trump. Undoubtedly, what was important

781
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Speaker 1: to notice is that it was never any senior or

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Speaker 1: even mid level official of the government that was issuing

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Speaker 1: any of those different threats, and that difference is of

784
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: course important. But personally, you know, we've seen it before

785
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Speaker 1: that they have tried to say that there is these

786
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Speaker 1: assassination attempts, and perhaps there are. When Trump wanted to

787
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: go towards diplomacy, he completely ignored it. When he wanted

788
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: to go towards the military confrontation, then he apparently was

789
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Speaker 1: impacted by it. Are there any attempts I have no idea,

790
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Speaker 1: but I think if there were, I would suspect that

791
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Speaker 1: the US intelligence would know more about it than the Israeli.

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Speaker 5: Do you got someone Ryan right?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I wanted to ask you about these strikes themselves.

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Speaker 8: It appears like the US is attacking a lot of

795
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 8: civilians infrastructure in Iran, particularly bridges and train tracks, leading

796
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Speaker 8: to the latest sight of the Iatola's funeral. What do

797
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 8: we know about and what do we know about what

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Speaker 8: damage Iran has done to you know, Bahrain, Kuwait and

799
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 8: facilities there. And then there were also these reports that

800
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Speaker 8: somebody was attacking Iran back from Bahrain and Kuwait and

801
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Speaker 8: it may actually have been Bahrain and Kuwait themselves. What like,

802
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 8: what do we know about the specifics of the fighting?

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Speaker 1: Sure, so, first of all, that remind us of those

804
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: attacking those railways, bridges, et cetera. These are war crimes, right,

805
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: not that that's something new, but unfortunately it's continuing. Those

806
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: specific railways were repatched and fixed within twenty four hours,

807
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: so the damage was not long lasting. That's different if

808
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: they if the US, if the Trump administration target bridges,

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00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: et cetera, that's going to be much more difficult to rebuild.

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Speaker 1: But the reason why those were very important was because

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Speaker 1: they had really gained significance during the period in which

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Speaker 1: the US was blockading the Persian Gulf. It turned out

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Speaker 1: that the Ivani has started to shift a significant amount

814
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Speaker 1: of trade and export of all through the railroad system

815
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Speaker 1: that had been built that was not fully operation or

816
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Speaker 1: had not been used to its full capacity started to

817
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Speaker 1: be used to its full capacity. So I think the

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Speaker 1: Yvanias probably are viewing this as a signal from the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration that if war goes back on, not only

820
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Speaker 1: will the US close the Persian golf again with his

821
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Speaker 1: blockade of the blockade, but it will take out Yvon's

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Speaker 1: alternative paths to export oil or to import different things.

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Speaker 1: So I think it was more of a warning or

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Speaker 1: taking mindful of the fact that VANUS could rebuild it

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Speaker 1: in twenty four hours. Clearly it was not aimed at

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Speaker 1: doing long lasting. When it comes to the idea that

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Speaker 1: the Baherraneans and the Kuwaitis are striking at Yvanias, these

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Speaker 1: this information came from Israeli media doesn't mean that it's false,

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Speaker 1: but I personally doubt very much that the Kuwaitis and

830
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Speaker 1: the Baherranneans would do that on their own, because I

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Speaker 1: would really invite a completely different type of an attack.

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Speaker 1: But the Iranians are done so far is they're going

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00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: after the US basis, and their argument is that if

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Speaker 1: there weren't US soldiers there and there weren't any US spaces,

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Speaker 1: that they wouldn't be attacking them. If Bahraine and Kuwait

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Speaker 1: themselves are attacking, it's a completely different story. Then. The

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Speaker 1: set of legitimate targets from the Yvonian perspectivell of course,

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Speaker 1: grows significantly, including military targets that are owned by the

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Speaker 1: Kuwaitis and the Bayherranny. So I'm skeptical at this point.

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Speaker 1: We have to wait to see. But this is part

841
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Speaker 1: of the imbalance that exists. Whenever something happens in Yvana,

842
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Speaker 1: we get images out of it because Yvanians are not

843
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: censoring people using their films to film the damage, whereas

844
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Speaker 1: that is taking place throughout the entire GCC states at

845
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Speaker 1: this point, certainly in Dubai and of course in Israel,

846
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Speaker 1: and which will hardly have any images coming out of

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Speaker 1: what is happening there, particularly during the exchange of fire

848
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Speaker 1: between Ivan and Israel. Just a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: and I really, you know, I think folks should go

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Speaker 1: back and just do searches on videos from October and

851
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Speaker 1: April twenty four to June twenty twenty five. The amount

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Speaker 1: of images that came out of Israel of ordinary people

853
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Speaker 1: just filming it to the essentially zero videos coming out

854
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Speaker 1: right now. That is because of military censorship. That is

855
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Speaker 1: not because damages are not done. That's not because the

856
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 1: missiles are not hitting. It's because there is a near

857
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Speaker 1: total censorship that does not allow us to see what

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Speaker 1: actually is happening.

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Speaker 4: Well, you mentioned earlier the crowds for the funeral blanketing

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Speaker 4: Fox News. Now Fox News has also recently Brian killed

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Speaker 4: Mega was on a Fox News segment saying he's not

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Speaker 4: really sure if wik Koff and Kushner are the men

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Speaker 4: for the job.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen for your reaction.

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Speaker 16: Also, don't think that wik Koff and Kushner should be

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Speaker 16: the ones doing this. They're business guys. They have not

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Speaker 16: been effective in Ukraine, not been effective in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: They have not been effective in this.

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Speaker 16: They can have three portfolios to begin with. We have

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Speaker 16: a state department for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 16: Even Democrats admit has been looked at as a genius internationally.

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Speaker 16: He's he is the guy most people would want, even

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Speaker 16: if you were if you gave truth seri to Democrats.

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Speaker 16: He should pick the lead on this because you can

876
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Speaker 16: this like a business deal. You have to understand the

877
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 16: history of the region and how distrustful the Iranians have been.

878
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 16: They will only make a decision if they have no

879
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 16: other choice.

880
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 7: Of those well, I like that of all Brian Kimmy's reasons,

881
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 7: the fact that they're massively corrupt and like financially tethered

882
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 7: to the people they're negotiating with then come up.

883
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 6: But yes, your reaction our business guys.

884
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: I think the This is actually a very important clip

885
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: because the fact that he is very explicitly saying that

886
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: you know, this file should go to Rubio and the

887
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: State Department tells you something about what's going on here,

888
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: because you do have a split in the administration in

889
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: which you have a camp that is favoring the negotiations

890
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: and the one that is much more skeptical of it.

891
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: And he's essentially saying, take the negotiations out of the

892
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: hands of those people who believe in negotiations and put

893
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: it in the hands of those who never have believed

894
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: in negotiations with any of these people, with any of

895
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Speaker 1: these different countries, and that tells you something about, you know,

896
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: what they're really looking for, But it also makes me wonder.

897
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that it

898
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: was Hexit and Rubio that went in and informed Trump

899
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: of the fact that Devonians were starting to shoot at

900
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: some of these ships again for going through the Southern

901
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: Corridor without coordinating with them, and that that prompted this

902
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: whole beginning of him deciding to take military action, et cetera.

903
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: It does not appear, at least from the Wall Street

904
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: Journal reporting that actual negotiators, the ones that are in

905
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: charge of the file, were particularly participant in at least

906
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: in the initial discussions in which this was done. And

907
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: I think it adds to the picture in which we

908
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: have seen in the past week or so, Rubio, after

909
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: the MoU was negotiated, suddenly emerging into the scene here

910
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: both in Lebanon and in the GCC, despite the fact

911
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: that prior to that he spent most of his time

912
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: focusing on Venezuela and Cuba. But now suddenly he showed up.

913
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: He mediated a deal between Israel and Lebanon. That completely

914
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: contradicts the MLU, and it appears to me at least

915
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: to be an effort to sabotage the MU. He went

916
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: to the GCC States and got them to sign this

917
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: public statement that completely closes the path towards one option

918
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: of resolving the issue over the Strait of Hormue. So

919
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: both of those to me seemed as an effort of

920
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: undermining the negotiations. And now you have Fox Will saying

921
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: actually put the negotiations entirely into the hands of the

922
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: person who was opposed to these talks from gobsets M. Treta.

923
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time.

924
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 8: I know you had to get out of here pretty sharply,

925
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 8: but always helpful to have you on.

926
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having you. Appreciate it. Thank you.

927
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 8: I have a great weekend.

928
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Speaker 6: Check out Tree to subsecond as well.

929
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Speaker 8: All right, I've got I've got something pretty fascinating for

930
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 8: you guys that really isn't getting enough attention. Let me

931
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 8: put this up on the screen here, so as well

932
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 8: as a bunch of people probably already realized, Germany's auto

933
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 8: manufacturing capacity is collapsing amid basically twin pressures. One their

934
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 8: energy costs have skyrocketed because somebody blew up a pipeline

935
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 8: that was supplying them with all of their cheap energy

936
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 8: from Russia, and so as a result, they can't compete

937
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 8: like they used to be able to. And secondly, Chinese

938
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 8: electric vehicles are just as emily. You saw it just

939
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 8: dominating the global market. You were recently in Brazil.

940
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: Like what tell us? Can you tell us real quickly

941
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: about the byds?

942
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 6: I was all up in those byds?

943
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: How are they?

944
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 8: I've never seen one with my own naked eyes.

945
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I was actually really excited.

946
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 7: It's I would say, you know, at least in Brazilia,

947
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 7: probably half the time, if you're getting an Uber, you're

948
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 7: getting a BYD. There's a big BYD dealership right outside

949
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 7: of the Brazilia airport.

950
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 6: They're everywhere.

951
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 7: They're obviously very very slick, and huge competitor to Tesla.

952
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 7: So that's definitely a major They're obviously not a major

953
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 7: player on the global EV marketplace, and you can totally

954
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 7: understand why I'm not an EV person in general.

955
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 8: But there's they're slick, and so Germany sees the writing

956
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 8: on the wall and what they're doing is they're saying, okay, well,

957
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 8: if we can't compete when it comes to auto manufacturing,

958
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 8: we do need a lot of drones because we live

959
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 8: in fear of a Russian invasion, and so let's convert

960
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 8: a significant amount of our industrial automaking capacity into drone

961
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 8: making capacity. But there's an interesting hitch that just arose,

962
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 8: not just drone making capacity, but all kind of defense

963
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 8: capacity iron et cetera. Yeah, so let me put up

964
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 8: this Jerusalem Post article. So the headline here, Cutter veto's

965
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 8: Volkswagen deal with Israeli defense company Raphael in Germany. So,

966
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 8: in other words, the Germans were trying to convert a

967
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 8: Volkswagen plant into an iron dome manufacturing plant, and they're like,

968
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 8: solves all of our problems, except, oh, wait a minute,

969
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 8: Cutter is a golf country that was just bombed by

970
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 8: Israel like back, you know, back in twenty twenty four,

971
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 8: and considers them to be a geopolitical rival. And they're

972
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 8: the ones that have an enormous amount of investment in Germany.

973
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 8: And so you've got the Israeli technology, but you've got

974
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 8: the Qatari money, and so the Germans are kind of

975
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 8: caught between the two of them. So now this, this

976
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 8: effort to kind of rehab this Osnabruck plant into a

977
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 8: weapons maker is now stalled.

978
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: Because of that. It's a it's.

979
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 8: An interesting window into way into the way that all

980
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 8: these kind of conflicting structural forces that we're watching play

981
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 8: out on a daily basis are colliding with each other

982
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 8: in what seems like a really unsustainable way.

983
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 7: That's crazy and for the reck of Ryan surprised us

984
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 7: with the story and what I did not expect him

985
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 7: to say. There was none of those was on my

986
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 7: bingo card when he opened up by talking about the

987
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 7: German Volkswagen plant that was Florida.

988
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 8: Didn't think it was going to Doha and Jerusalem. Yeah,

989
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 8: so no, just just wanted to share that with the audience. No, no,

990
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 8: you know, huge deeper thoughts, but that like this is fascinating, Like, yeah,

991
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 8: this will have implications for the US too, because in order,

992
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 8: you know, so in the US, you're gonna have a

993
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 8: bunch of weapons makers. You're gonna want to team up

994
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 8: with the Israeli military, which they're trying to fuse with ours.

995
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 8: Albit Systems in fact, which is the number one military

996
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 8: contractor in Israel, is in the lead to get the

997
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 8: American howitzer contract. So there's a multi billion dollar contract

998
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 8: for an Israeli company to be making howitzers like iconic

999
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 8: American weapons system, which we.

1000
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 6: Also just authorized patriots in Ukraine right this.

1001
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 8: Week, right authorized, Right, they're like, oh, go ahead and

1002
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 8: make your own because Ukraine is complaining that we're wasting

1003
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 8: all of our patriots in this unnecessary war with Iran.

1004
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 8: And meanwhile, all like the last ballistic missile strike from

1005
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 8: Russia on Kiev, every single ballistic missile went through and

1006
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 8: something like thirty two people were killed. So they're starting

1007
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 8: to take significant casualties in these ballistic missile attacks from

1008
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 8: Russia because their stockpile of interceptors is basically exhausted. And

1009
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 8: so the US solution was, well, here's a license, you

1010
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 8: can make your own. It's like, bro, we're getting bombed today,

1011
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 8: like so like and you know, if they try to

1012
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 8: build a factory in Ukraine right now, Russia will bomb that.

1013
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 8: So Ukraine has moved most of its defense technology and

1014
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 8: drone technology into Poland and Germany and elsewhere, and the

1015
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 8: Russians have said, you know, well, if that's what you're doing,

1016
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 8: maybe we need Maybe were then justified in hitting Poland

1017
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 8: in Germany. So yeah, they have a license, but like

1018
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 8: a license doesn't do much for you when the when

1019
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 8: the missiles are flying, like right now, see.

1020
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 7: The defense stocks up on the screen here, pretty much

1021
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 7: everybody down except for come them.

1022
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: How are they losing money?

1023
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 8: How do you lose money in this environment?

1024
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: Right now?

1025
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 4: So if I'm to get if I meant to understand

1026
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 4: this correctly, Ryan, due to Trump's war in Iran, it

1027
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 4: has slowed down Germany's ability to turn a car company

1028
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 4: into a drone warfare company.

1029
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 5: Is that what I'm supposed to get or.

1030
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 8: In this in this case iron Dome. But yeah, their

1031
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 8: broad strategy is to stop, you know, move away from

1032
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 8: some of their concentration and vehicles, which is sad.

1033
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: Those were cool cars because that was a short lived thing.

1034
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 6: I called them the VW Bug, the Iron Dome.

1035
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 8: Always we'll we'll have Mercedes drones. But if Kutzer has

1036
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 8: anything to say about it, it's not going to be

1037
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 8: done with in coordination with Israel, and Israel helped develop

1038
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 8: the Iron Dome with the United States, which they love

1039
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 8: to remind us of. So they have some they have

1040
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 8: some you know, purchase to to make these objections.

1041
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 4: Well, Trump is slowing down the German war machine with

1042
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: his own war. I think that's eligible for another peace prize.

1043
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 4: Put it on the board for him.

1044
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: There.

1045
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 4: But why don't we end, Why don't we end with

1046
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 4: another story. Let's get back home for a sec to

1047
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 4: New York City, where Zoron Mamdani is enraging, enraging people

1048
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 4: with a new map of immigrants or immigrant locations, immigrant

1049
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 4: areas of the city enclaves, which has angered one Rudy Giuliani.

1050
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 4: Let's look at and many more.

1051
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 7: There is an army of Rudy Giuliani's. They are angry

1052
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 7: at zarn over those.

1053
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 5: We are Rudy. Rudy says mom.

1054
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 4: Donni's decision to leave out little Italy on his map

1055
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 4: of enclaves within New York is beyond shameful. Italian Americans

1056
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 4: contribute so much, not just in New York City but

1057
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 4: the entire nation. He also left out Irish and Jewish enclaves.

1058
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 4: We all know what's.

1059
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: Going on here.

1060
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 4: And here we've got a map that they put out here,

1061
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 4: We've got all sorts of places. We've got little India,

1062
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 4: little Egypt, We've got a little sign little Odessa, there's

1063
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 4: a little Ukraine.

1064
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 5: Don't worry, Ukraine. We got you Ecuador.

1065
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 4: You know, all sorts of stuff here, but no Little

1066
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 4: Italy on this map. And of course our friends at

1067
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 4: the Free Press had to dig into this and speak

1068
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 4: to local Little Italians about uh this, Little Italians. Let's

1069
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: let's say I love Little Italy. This is one of

1070
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 4: my favorite restaurants right here. Let's take a listen, Hey.

1071
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 14: Mon Donnie, I give you a year you want, not

1072
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 14: a New.

1073
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 6: York You the mis regie.

1074
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 13: And today we are here in Little Italy asking the

1075
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 13: locals how they feel about one of the oldest immigrant communities,

1076
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 13: Little Italy, not being included on Mayor Mom Donnie's immigrant

1077
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 13: enclave map.

1078
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't consider you to be my maya. I think

1079
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: it's just right before.

1080
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 17: He's gotta be fair to everybody, and he's not fair

1081
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 17: to everybody.

1082
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: He's not fair to the Jewish people.

1083
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 17: But she makes everybody notice he's not fair to the

1084
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 17: Jewish people, he's not fair to the Irish people.

1085
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: And now he hates the Italians for what reason?

1086
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 14: What do we do?

1087
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 17: Then, n I said, ate us.

1088
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: They always sort of pushed us to the side. I

1089
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: got it.

1090
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, but.

1091
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 16: Their own problems, and we're always pushed aside.

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Speaker 15: And I think time that you have to be firm

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Speaker 15: about this, otherwise we'll totally be for done.

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Speaker 10: If you understand what took place here over one hundred

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Speaker 10: years ago, between eighteen eighty and nineteen twenty, when the

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Speaker 10: mass migration of Italian immigrants first came. This was the

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Speaker 10: stepping stone for the Italians.

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Speaker 14: Or the Bari family came here one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 14: years ago from Sicily. They were immigrants. They landed down

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Speaker 14: in what's known as the Five Points. Grandma started the

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Speaker 14: san Ganowa festival right up there. That is Grandma. That

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Speaker 14: is Grandma, Grandma from the Bari family. Okay, she is

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Speaker 14: the heartness all of this neighborhood.

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Speaker 17: My grandfather was on the Society of Saint Gennaro, which

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Speaker 17: happens to this share one hundred years so it means

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Speaker 17: a lot to me, little Lily.

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Speaker 14: You know, there's no such thing as left or right down.

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Speaker 14: Yet both sides of the street are beautiful.

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Speaker 10: And what makes New York City such a special place

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Speaker 10: is a collage of many different cultures.

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Speaker 1: People from all over the world.

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Speaker 10: Come here and settle and they need to be recognized

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Speaker 10: for the contributions that they brought to this wonderful country.

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Speaker 7: All right, I stand with them completely honestly, and I

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Speaker 7: think this is an inexplicable decision that's actually sort of beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 8: I mean, why did you leave that off?

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Speaker 6: Honestly?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they brought us. They brought us pizza, they brought

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Speaker 8: us the mob, they brought us anarchism. I mean, what

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Speaker 8: more could you ask for?

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Speaker 6: But what actual question? Why were they not on the map?

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Speaker 8: I see how they missed. I don't know how they

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Speaker 8: left us. That's it's absurd. Maybe like somebody read like

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Speaker 8: how the Italians and Irish became white? And they're like, well,

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Speaker 8: they don't count anymore as immigrants.

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Speaker 6: They've got a little Ukraine.

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Speaker 8: They put well a little more recent little Ukraine. I

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Speaker 8: don't know, put out a new map. Come on, yeah,

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Speaker 8: take Alan, put out a new map.

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Speaker 6: Breaking point stands for a new map.

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Speaker 5: We absolutely need a new map.

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Speaker 4: This is the most atrocious thing that he has done

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Speaker 4: in office.

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Speaker 8: Discrimination.

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Speaker 6: It's bad politics. So like it's actually bad politics.

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Speaker 4: Mom, Donnie misstep, huge, mom, Donnie misstep. Here we call

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Speaker 4: balls and strikes. And that most definitely was a fright

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Speaker 4: that was a wild, wild pitch outside and yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean listen, I think we're all going to be pouring

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Speaker 4: out a Negroni in honor of the little Italy, which

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Speaker 4: is incredible.

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Speaker 5: Everyone should go get a slice. Sit on the streets

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Speaker 5: on Italian influence in New York. Every time I go,

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Speaker 5: I was surprised that there was.

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Speaker 4: There was a lot of you know, clearly he wanted

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Speaker 4: to owner also felt that way about his handling of.

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Speaker 5: Israel and Jewish nature stuff.

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Speaker 4: So it seems like the free press will be up

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Speaker 4: and down those Irish astray.

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Speaker 8: There was there a.

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Speaker 6: Ryan every time he's in New York City.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, Michael Scott outside Borrow.

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Speaker 4: That would be the ultimate humiliation he did his mom.

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Speaker 4: Donnie's next video is this is to Borrow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, tomorrow is not bad.

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Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: It's an institution.

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Speaker 4: Well, uh, that's gonna do it for all of our

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Speaker 4: important news segments, uh, for this Friday. But why don't

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Speaker 4: we get into a little bit of supercast am A

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Speaker 4: questions for our members to round out this episode. All right,

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Speaker 4: and it's time for some A m A questions. If

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Speaker 4: you join at Breakingpoints dot com, you too, can submit

1165
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 4: an incredible written question that we will read on the

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Speaker 4: Friday shows. This is my favorite part of the show,

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Speaker 4: and sorry sometimes of that run short. Let's start with

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Speaker 4: Amy Snise, who asks there's a big call on the

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Speaker 4: left for media outlets like Breaking Points to interview Kashama Sewan.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry if I don't know if that's how I

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Speaker 4: say her name about her independent run for Congress against

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Speaker 4: Adam Smith, one of the architects of the attempt to

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Speaker 4: merge the Israeli military with the US military. I think

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Speaker 4: you all should interview her. It would be weird to

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Speaker 4: only interview Democratic candidates running against these incumbents backed by

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Speaker 4: the Israeli lobby. As a leftist in Michigan, I have

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Speaker 4: largely abandoned the Democratic Party except for a very few

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Speaker 4: local candidates like Abdul, who I'm willing to vote for

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Speaker 4: but ultimately do not trust to be better than AOC.

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Speaker 4: It would also be nice to hear from people like

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Speaker 4: Breonna joy Gray on some of these electoral issues. She

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Speaker 4: offers a left perspective that Krystal and Ryan don't often

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Speaker 4: get into.

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Speaker 8: Your response, Yeah, so on Kashama Sawant, So the way

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Speaker 8: that we think about what having candidates honor is basically

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Speaker 8: two things. One there has to be let's say there's

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Speaker 8: something very interesting going on in their race, like we

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Speaker 8: have some news on the race, there's some particular influence

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Speaker 8: in the race, there's a particular issue that this candidate

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Speaker 8: relates to. Even if that candidate isn't like neck and

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Speaker 8: neck with the other opponent, with their opponent like that,

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Speaker 8: that could be a reason to get onto the to

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Speaker 8: do an interview with someone who we don't necessarily think

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Speaker 8: even has a shot of winning, but they're very interesting

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Speaker 8: and newsworthy in their own right. And then the second

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Speaker 8: is if they have a realistic shot of winning and

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Speaker 8: represent some newsworthy kind of movement in our politics. And

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Speaker 8: you know, we're happy to have people from all all

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Speaker 8: spectrums like on it's not just the lefties or not

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Speaker 8: just the you know, megatypes. Happy to have the establishing

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Speaker 8: folks on to like go back and forth with them

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Speaker 8: and you know, pressure test their own arguments. So those

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Speaker 8: are the the two buckets that they fit into. So

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Speaker 8: want doesn't quite fit the first one. You could cover

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Speaker 8: Adam Smith and his role infusing the military without you know,

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Speaker 8: needing to talk to the opponent and maybe fits into

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Speaker 8: the second, but we would need some evidence of it.

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Speaker 8: I was I was actually talking to Sabby Sabs just

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Speaker 8: about this yesterday and I was asking her.

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Speaker 1: She was saying, why don't you guys have Kashamas want on?

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Speaker 8: And I was like, you have do you have any like,

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Speaker 8: do you have any evidence that this is a this

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Speaker 8: is a real race, because what we don't want to

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Speaker 8: do is tell our audience this is a serious candidate

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Speaker 8: who is in this election, and then election day comes

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Speaker 8: and they get seven percent of the vote, because then

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Speaker 8: the audience is like, you guys have no idea what

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Speaker 8: you're talking about. Next time you tell me that this

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Speaker 8: is a serious challenge, I'm not going to believe you.

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Speaker 8: So there's a threshold factor there. But we had point

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Speaker 8: not to interrupt to that point.

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Speaker 4: You know, some people would then say, but wait a second,

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Speaker 4: you had Zoron on when he was at like one

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Speaker 4: percent in the polls, Like, how do you make the

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Speaker 4: delineation there? And also some people also feel like a

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Speaker 4: lot of people also feel like when people request us

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Speaker 4: to have candidates on, they're like, that would be the

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Speaker 4: thing that changes everything if they get that Breaking Points

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Speaker 4: interview that's going to create a big avalanche that's going

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Speaker 4: to change an entire race and boost a candidate from

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Speaker 4: obscurity to the mainstream.

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Speaker 8: That it's an interesting dynamic because it does have this

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Speaker 8: reverse chicken and egg type of feel to it, like

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Speaker 8: the same way that candidates have a hard time raising

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Speaker 8: money if they're not considered to be viable, but it

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Speaker 8: can't be considered to be viable until they've raised money.

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Speaker 8: It's the same problem that kids often confront right out college, like, well,

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Speaker 8: we'd like to hire you, you don't have any experience. Well,

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Speaker 8: how can I get experience if you won't hire me.

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Speaker 8: So there has to be an art to it as well,

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Speaker 8: to say, you know what, for a variety of reasons,

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Speaker 8: we think this particular candidate, if given a little bit

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Speaker 8: of attention, actually we'll catch fire. Mam Donnie fit that bucket.

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Speaker 8: But Mom, Donnie also fit the bucket that he was

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Speaker 8: doing something that was interesting on its own. He was

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Speaker 8: out in the street interviewing Trump voters about why they

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Speaker 8: voted for Trump in New York and and he was

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Speaker 8: incorporating that into his message. So even if he flamed

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Speaker 8: out in his election, like that was interesting in its

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Speaker 8: own right. In twenty eighteen, when I decided to kind

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Speaker 8: of go all in on covering AOC's primary, I didn't

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Speaker 8: suspect that she would beat him. I thought it would

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Speaker 8: be more competitive than people thought. But Joe Crowley was

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Speaker 8: in line to be the Speaker of the House, might

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Speaker 8: even have challenged Pelosi, or Pelosi may even have stepped

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Speaker 8: down at that point. And so I saw it as

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Speaker 8: a vehicle to tell people who Joe Crowley was because

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Speaker 8: at the time, he had a national name idea of

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Speaker 8: like five percent, he had a he had a DC

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Speaker 8: name idea of one hundred percent, was extremely powerful, but

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Speaker 8: nobody nationally knew who he was. So I was thinking, like, hey,

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Speaker 8: this is a way to like just let people know

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Speaker 8: who Joe Crowley is through covering this election. But then

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Speaker 8: as we covered the election, she starts to catch fire.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was way high up in the Pelosi chain

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Speaker 6: of succession.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So that so the short answer to that is, it's

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Speaker 8: about it's an art. It's guessing. We had Chuck park

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Speaker 8: On in New York City. He ended up running a

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Speaker 8: very close race. People didn't get behind him. If they had,

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Speaker 8: he probably wins, and people regret. I think at this

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Speaker 8: point not getting behind him, he'll probably he'll probably run again.

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Speaker 8: So what I said to Sabby Sabs was there any polling?

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Speaker 8: And she said, I don't know about it, but there's

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Speaker 8: you know, she's raised like four hundred thousand dollar. That's

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Speaker 8: a lot of money. You know she's going to be

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Speaker 8: facing millions if she gets serious. So if there's polling,

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Speaker 8: this is what I would say to to this a

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Speaker 8: want campaign. If there's polling that shows that this is

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Speaker 8: a serious race, then you know we're then we're interested

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Speaker 8: in covering it absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Uh. If she raised four hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 8: You know, a pole is only five or ten grand nowadays,

1285
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Speaker 8: like they're you know, they're they're much cheaper. You can

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Speaker 8: go ahead and run a pole. She had savvy was like,

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Speaker 8: you know, I know you guys have beefed in the past.

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Speaker 8: I was like, actually, we haven't beefed like she has.

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Speaker 8: It's been a one way beef. If she's dumped on me,

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Speaker 8: I don't have any problem with her at all.

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Speaker 4: And that's that's also not how it's okay to We

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Speaker 4: would still have them on if they absolutely like the whole.

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Speaker 1: The whole world at some point or other has dunked

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Speaker 1: on me at one point or another.

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Speaker 8: It's fine like that.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm That's what I'm here fort like have

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Speaker 1: at it. We're absolutely fine.

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Speaker 8: Have people on who had dunked on me two years

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Speaker 8: ago or today, Like, it's fine on the show near

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Speaker 8: Tannan is welcome like today on the show.

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Speaker 5: That'd be a lit Friday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: This morning, I was saying that she should apologize or

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Speaker 8: resign for her comment that she's talked about Abdul el Siad.

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Speaker 1: Uh, she's welcome to welcome to come on anyway.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 8: And she's retweeted somebody calling me a scumbag. She's still

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Speaker 8: welcome to come on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I retweeted exactly.

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Speaker 8: Griffin liked it. He thought his like was secret I haven't,

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01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 8: I know, yeah, special access to likes. So anyway, So

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Speaker 8: that's that's what I would say. Bring us, bring us

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Speaker 8: some data that shows us that this is a serious race.

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Speaker 5: And then we'll talk absolutely all right. I think that

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01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 5: was a great insight in how we make all of

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 5: these decisions. And then also, you know, there are other

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01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 5: candidates that you know, we might find sort of interesting

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01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 5: but don't really have like a big hook that the

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01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 5: audience cares about.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that about Kashama.

1322
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 4: But you know, we for you know, for opening up

1323
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 4: the kimono or parting it for a second. You know,

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01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 4: we probably get like twenty requests a day, right in

1325
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 4: different candidates and different stuff. And if it was just

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01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 4: candidates for two hours every single day, people will want

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01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 4: to watch that, Yeah, it would be tough. So we

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01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 4: try to wrap it into a story that people care about.

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Speaker 4: So that's another right, So.

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Speaker 7: The pitch was Zorn literally was he had just been

1331
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 7: out in I think it was Queen's I remember, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: he had just been out that weekend after Trump won,

1333
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 7: talking to Trump voters, and so that's where we're like, oh,

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01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 7: this would be super interesting to talk to him. And

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Speaker 7: it was a I don't remember if they pitched it

1336
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 7: or if we just knew that that was happening, but

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Speaker 7: that's how the segment was booked.

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Speaker 5: And I guess our instincts were right on that one.

1339
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 5: All right. This next one is from Brent Combs.

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 4: Ryan, appreciate your courage to have hard conversations and report

1341
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 4: on sensitive topics. I'm sorry for all the misguided hate

1342
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 4: and commentary you're getting lately from reporting on.

1343
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 5: The Platinum story and such.

1344
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 4: How do you deal with this kind of stress and

1345
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 4: what motivates you to keep going? You are one of

1346
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 4: my heroes. Man, keep up the great work.

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01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 8: Oh, I appreciate that.

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01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

1349
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 8: Well, you motivate me. We talked briefly about this on

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01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 8: the show yesterday. We have a independent source of support

1351
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 8: and revenue here at breaking points and also at drop site,

1352
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 8: just from regular people. And as a result, we don't

1353
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 8: have bosses who wear suits and down the hall who

1354
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 8: tell us what we can say. We don't have corporate

1355
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 8: or other sponsors that can threaten to withhold money, and

1356
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 8: that gives us a unique ability to just say what

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01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 8: we believe, to search out the truth and report the truth.

1358
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Speaker 8: And very few people have that opportunity to do that.

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Speaker 8: Most people, most reporters, have to go through layers of

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01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 8: complications to get from the gathering of news to the

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01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 8: reporting of news. Because we don't have to do that,

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01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 8: I just feel this moral obligation to do it, especially

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01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 8: when it's uncomfortable, because the audience has put so much.

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01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 8: The audience has built this because they want us to

1365
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 8: do that. So if they've built that and then we

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01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 8: shrink from it. All we're doing is grifting. All we're

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01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 8: doing is like producing some entertaining content and cashing people's

1368
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 8: checks who believe that they're funding something that is going

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01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 8: to have the courage and the strength to stand up

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Speaker 8: up when it's difficult, but actually doesn't do it when

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Speaker 8: when the chips are down. So that's why I feel

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Speaker 8: like an extra obligation to do it, even if it's

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01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 8: not terribly pleasant.

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Speaker 6: What would the process have been like or how would

1375
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 6: it may maybe have been different reporting out that political

1376
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 6: story if you were still at Interceptor or huff Post

1377
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Speaker 6: or other places that you've worked rain.

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Speaker 8: Intercept probably would have been fine, Probably could have probably

1379
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 8: could have done that just the same at the Intercept,

1380
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Speaker 8: because you know then, you know, when we left it

1381
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Speaker 8: was because we felt like that might be changing. But

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Speaker 8: during the time that we were there, I don't think

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Speaker 8: I would have had a problem. And I did a

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Speaker 8: you know, a bunch of stories at the time that

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01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 8: were you know, controversial, and we and we published them.

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Speaker 1: Proudly the Huffington Post.

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Speaker 8: It was interesting like that, that's kind of stuff didn't

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01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 8: really come up in the same way at the time, Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 8: I had full free reign of the Washington Bureau Areana

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Speaker 8: had you know, just complete had just delegated complete authority.

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Speaker 8: So I could have done it, but it was a

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Speaker 8: different time and like that, Yeah, you just didn't have

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01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 8: stories like that really that came up. Yeah, it makes

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01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 8: sense now today it would be completely different at what

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01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 8: remains I think of the Huffington Post. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 8: mean that's that's basically Ah, that's basically how I how

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01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 8: I see that that like, because we've been given this

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01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 8: opportunity by the audience we have, we have to deliver

1399
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 8: on it or we're or we're basically ripping them off

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Speaker 8: and defrauding them.

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Speaker 6: Mm hm.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I've told everyone on Blue Sky.

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01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 7: So my first so when I was a college student

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01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 7: I was doing at the time and Griffin, you're the

1405
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 7: same age as us, You remember this, and Ryan will

1406
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 7: remember it well.

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Speaker 6: It was the era of the rape culture discourse.

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Speaker 7: And so my first journalism work is when I was

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Speaker 7: a college student reporting out some what we would now

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01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 7: call me too stories but at the time were kind

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Speaker 7: of rape culture stories.

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Speaker 6: And then went on to do a lot.

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01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 7: Of like media criticism of me too and have like

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01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 7: reported out some of the stuff in the past, and

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Speaker 7: I just think, you know, it's a nontroversy the criticism

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01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,759
Speaker 7: that Ryan and to something except Sager got this week

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01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 7: for including a perfectly relevant detail because people read into

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01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 7: it projected onto it their own position on X, Y

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01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 7: or Z. So I wasn't on this week except for Monday,

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Speaker 7: so I just wanted to put.

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Speaker 1: That out there too.

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01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, and for people who missed that, we reported that

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Speaker 8: Politico was aware that Jenny Rascott had texted grand Platner

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01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 8: that evening about saying I need a glue massage, and

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01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 8: he's like, I'll come right over, and she's and then

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Speaker 8: she says, she said no, no, no, don't come over.

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Speaker 8: And Politico reported it as they exchange text messages and

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01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 8: she told him not to come over. Our point is

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Speaker 8: that those are different scenarios. Yeah, the Politico version supports

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01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 8: a breaking and entering. The one that Jenny told truthfully

1431
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 8: and transparently supports possibly believing he saw that text message,

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01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 8: he jumped in the car, he came over and didn't

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01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 8: see the follow up text messages. If and we don't

1434
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 8: know the wording of those follow up text messages either.

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Speaker 8: So if you're going to try an allegation in the

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Speaker 8: court of public opinion, then you put forward as many

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01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 8: facts as you have for the public. And the reason

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01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 8: I'm not too bothered by the criticism is that anybody

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01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 8: who looks at this reasonably agrees with that, Like, there's

1440
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 8: just this context, and you don't have to believe it's

1441
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,839
Speaker 8: relevant context to believe it should still be shared, because

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01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 8: you're not the only person in a democracy. A democracy

1443
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 8: includes all of us, and it is unquestionably the fact

1444
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 8: that many people do believe it is relevant, and so

1445
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 8: it's for them, then it's not for you. If we

1446
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 8: were just a dictatorship and there's just one person making

1447
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 8: the decision and it's you who's offended by the inclusion

1448
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 8: of this detail, then okay, fine, but that's not what

1449
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 8: we are. We are a democracy.

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01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 6: Goes to the.

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01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 7: Credibility of Rassacoon as well, that she was willing to

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01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 7: say that to Political That's a point Political ironed it out, so.

1453
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 8: Like if she was like, yep, right, she it shows

1454
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 8: a level of confidence in her own condition of the

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01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 8: events that she was willing to include that, and it

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01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 8: shows something else on Politico's part to withhold it.

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01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 5: Yep, Yeah, are the hard question.

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01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, our final question comes from m mcri Plattner. I

1459
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 4: took one look at this guy's Wikipedia, which I'd not

1460
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 4: read before this morning, with the trust fund background, that

1461
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 4: being kicked out of Hotchkiss, the dropping out of GW,

1462
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 4: the bartending at the tune in, that getting the job

1463
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 4: farming oysters due to his mother's fancy food connections. Who

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01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 4: in God's name thought this person was a reliable person

1465
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 4: to put forward as a paragon of progressivism or as

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01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 4: a person we thought was capable of completing any kind

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Speaker 4: of structured process. There is no evidence this person has

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01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:31,879
Speaker 4: ever completed anything of substance. Ever, What were we thinking?

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Speaker 4: And I guess if you're saying weed, does that mean

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Speaker 4: you live in Maine? Because the Maners they didn't really

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Speaker 4: care about any of that. I mean, this guy got

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Speaker 4: the most votes in any primary in Maine in history,

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Speaker 4: and it does seem trumping in the sense that I like,

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Speaker 4: I see so many centrist liberals trying to nail people

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Speaker 4: like Emma Vigland and other people who are supporting Platner

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01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 4: on this and being like, all, well, the Maners liked

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Speaker 4: him just because he had a deep voice and because

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01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 4: of all of his personal bona fides, but it seemed

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01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 4: like it was more trumpy and they're like, yeah, I

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01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 4: don't like everything about this guy, but I like the

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01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 4: policies that he is so loudly, you know, pushing. So

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Speaker 4: that seems to me to be what the majority of

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Speaker 4: mayners felt about Platner.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have anything else to that.

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01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 7: There was an Axios article dunking on some progressive media.

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01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 7: I've seen this in other quarters as well, including US.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if we were mentioned in the Axios story,

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Speaker 7: but I know, Brian, you've probably gotten some of this

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Speaker 7: over the course of the week.

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Speaker 6: It's an interesting criticism.

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Speaker 7: He did complete four combat tours of duty, which is

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Speaker 7: what actually turned some of the hard left against Grand Platner.

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Speaker 7: And it's one of those things also where if you're

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Speaker 7: going to criticize a guy for not having true working

1495
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 7: class bonafides, I think it's fair to say to give

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01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 7: scrutiny of where that loan actually came from. Looks like

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Speaker 7: it was from his dad, like two hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 7: from his dad. I think it's perfectly fair to be

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01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 7: to scrutinize his record. I think it's fair to say

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Speaker 7: he went to Hotchkiss, even though, as he explained to us,

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01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 7: he dropped out because he didn't like it. All of

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01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 7: those things totally relevant context that the voters of Maine

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01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 7: had in front of them, and so did the progressive

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01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 7: journalists and the independent media outlets that were covering the guy.

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01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 7: I just think when you serve for combat tours of

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01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 7: duty in those wars, for better or worse, and I

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01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 7: really mean that, it can give you a totally I mean,

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Speaker 7: you can't define that as blue collar or white collar,

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01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 7: but I can tell you that it's not white collar, right.

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Speaker 7: That's an enormous physical sacrifice, human sacrifice tragically in many cases,

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Speaker 7: and it just does give you a perspective on these

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01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 7: things that is absolutely worthwhile. It doesn't mean it's the

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01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 7: only qualification anybody should have, but I do think it

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01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,959
Speaker 7: was a major source of and he talked about it constantly,

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01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 7: He talked about foreign policy constantly. I think it was

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Speaker 7: a major source of people's attraction to him, to be honest,

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Speaker 7: and I consistently think when you have you know, DC

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Speaker 7: journalists being like he went to Hotchkiss or okay, like

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Speaker 7: he went to hotch Kiss, or his grandfather was a

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01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:29,919
Speaker 7: famous architect.

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01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 6: I get it. I do think that's relevant. But he

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01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 6: served four combat tours of duty in the Middle East.

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01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 7: That does completely change the story if you just want

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01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 7: to say he's some little hotchkiss drop out, rich little

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01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 7: hotchkiss drop out who had his mom's you know, restaurant

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01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 7: to serve with the oyster farm, Do I think that

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01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,879
Speaker 7: his consultants and probably him played also him played into

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01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 7: building a character.

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01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,480
Speaker 6: Yes, of course, that's that's politics.

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01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 7: And so if some people were overly credulous about it,

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01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 7: I hear the criticism, but also again, like he had

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01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 7: that chunk of what was it, run like fifteen years

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01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 7: of his life dedicated to that. That's a significant wrinkle

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01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 7: in the story that he's just some rich kid, right

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01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,919
Speaker 7: plus bartending, plus plus the oystering, which people.

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01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 8: Say, oh, this is just a hobby, blah blah, like

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01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:23,719
Speaker 8: he's been doing it for five or six years.

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01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 7: You know.

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01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 8: I grew up on the Eastern Shore, which is you know,

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01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 8: as a very hot, strong waterman economy. I went out

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01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 8: with my buddy, one of my best friends was a

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01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 8: crabber a couple times, and twenty years later, I still

1543
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 8: remember how.

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01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: Hard that work was like you know, you're waking up.

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01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,759
Speaker 8: At three am, You're you're out on the water before

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01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 8: the sun rises. You're you're you're pulling out of the

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01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 8: water like extraordinarily heavy. You know, this was trotlining. It's dangerous,

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01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 8: like the whole thing is dangerous. And then but you're

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01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 8: sometimes done, you know, for at least crabbing, you can

1550
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 8: be done by like nine or ten am and you

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01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 8: just completely wrecked for the rest of the day. And

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01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 8: this is the eastern shore of Maryland. He's up in

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01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 8: Maine where it's like absolutely freezing. He is every single

1554
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 8: day going out on the water before the sun rises,

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01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:28,839
Speaker 8: pulling up you know, fifty sixty pounds, you know, like

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01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 8: gigantic oyster crates and doing that for hours in frigid,

1557
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 8: miserable conditions for.

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01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: Years, like.

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01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 8: You can call it, like people have hobbies like hebby,

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01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 8: Like does that sounds like something you're doing for fun.

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01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 7: He's also in the infantry, by the way, that's also

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01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 7: worth benching, so like he.

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01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: Was it was the infantry. He was not.

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01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 8: Jad Van says it was like a spokesperson for like

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01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 8: Stars and Stripes or whatever. What was his job?

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01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 6: I mean, great going to.

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01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 8: Buddha judge who like just went to cobble for like,

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01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 8: you know, five months and didn't.

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01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 4: Anywhere that had Wi fi right, and you to talk

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01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 4: about how hard it is to fish them, then you

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01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 4: got to shock them, which which is equally hard if

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01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,440
Speaker 4: anyone's ever tried to shock an oyster, also incredibly dangerous

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01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 4: and respect.

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01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 6: When did you shuck an oyster?

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01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 5: I've worked in restaurants for a long time. I was

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01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 5: a dishpit guy. You were shocking oysters, not in the.

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01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 4: Dishpit, but you know, I got behind I got behind

1578
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 4: the counter for a little bit.

1579
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 5: You know, I've shocked.

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01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:38,759
Speaker 1: Fair share of oyster.

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01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 8: Think about that, like Griffin remembers like viscerally, you know

1582
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 8: the difficulty and the danger of of that. And and

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01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 8: he's maybe done it, you know, days or weeks, he's

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01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 8: doing it for like five six years, Like that's not nothing,

1585
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 8: And I think people just don't really think that's what

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01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 8: I think.

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01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 7: I just remember getting yelled at by the oysterman at

1588
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 7: Sager's wedding for briefly putting my drink on the table

1589
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 7: where he was shucking his oysters.

1590
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: Oh you were going to get some oyster guts in

1591
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 1: your uh, your drink. There he was.

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01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 8: He was looking out for you.

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01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 6: M M.

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01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 4: Probably share all right, And we'll end with sebas one

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01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 4: on one saying for wonderful BP, given the betrayals of

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01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 4: Platnir and Fetterman, should Progresses avoid ogre looking candidates.

1597
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 5: For a while. To me, he looks a little bit

1598
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 5: more like the Lora Axe.

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01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, but yeah, Shrek is out.

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01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 5: Shrek is out.

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01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's gonna be an indication of it's

1602
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: for sure.

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01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, it really is.

1604
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,799
Speaker 7: It's not just Main that's gonna have a ripple effect

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01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 7: for all of these indeed startup candidates.

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01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 4: So mm hmm okay, well with that, we are going

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