Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I watched a part of
Speaker 1: the press conference that the Uvaldi Police gave where the
Speaker 1: Department of Public Safety Director Stephen McCraw said, quote from
Speaker 1: the benefit of hindsight from where I'm sitting now, of course,
Speaker 1: it was the wrong decision, the wrong decision, the wrong
Speaker 1: decision to have police officers not enter a building when
Speaker 1: there was an active shooter killing nineteen children, three adults,
Speaker 1: wounding god knows how many, because we haven't had that
Speaker 1: information in releasing its entirety for an hour, one hour,
Speaker 1: that shooter was allowed to walk the hallways, go into classrooms.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering that did the police officers that were standing outside,
Speaker 1: did they hear the screams of the children in their
Speaker 1: classrooms screaming for their parents, screaming for their lives? How
Speaker 1: did they sleep that night when they got home, Because
Speaker 1: you know, there are other reports that came out that
Speaker 1: those very same officers went into the building to get
Speaker 1: their own fucking kids, but not the kids of other people.
Speaker 1: Reports came out that the very same officers that were
Speaker 1: sitting outside. You know, by the way, they have guns, right,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure elementary school students don't. But they decided
Speaker 1: to save their own children and save their own lives
Speaker 1: while turning teachers into heroes. Teachers don't sign up to
Speaker 1: do military training. We have Republicans like fucking Ted Crews saying, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we just need to arm teachers. Ron Desantists did the
Speaker 1: same thing in fucking Florida. Adding more guns in schools
Speaker 1: is not how we should be dealing with school shootings
Speaker 1: where shooters use one kind of fucking weapon and AAR fifteen,
Speaker 1: and AAR fifteen with bump magazine capacity allows you to
Speaker 1: fire off hundreds of bullets without even having to think
Speaker 1: about reloading. Do you think that the framers of the
Speaker 1: Constitution who said that folks had a right to bear arms,
Speaker 1: we're thinking about magazine capacities that could mow down an
Speaker 1: entire classroom without the shooter breaking a fucking sweat. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. The interpretation the purity with which the
Speaker 1: fucking Supreme Court wants to interpret the Constitution these days
Speaker 1: is bullshit. Because you see the world changes and evolves
Speaker 1: and regardless of how much they want to hold us
Speaker 1: with their death grip in the past, we will break
Speaker 1: free one way or the fucking other. The rage that
Speaker 1: I feel these days, coupled with the absolute crippling grief,
Speaker 1: it is like this continued vacillation between these emotions that
Speaker 1: I know that I'm not the only one that is
Speaker 1: swinging back and forth on because it's the grief that
Speaker 1: we know that a R fifteens and fucking military grade
Speaker 1: assault weapons are not part of your constitutional right to
Speaker 1: bear fucking arms. They're not. I don't understand. While military
Speaker 1: grade fucking weapons is considered a goddamn hobby, how is
Speaker 1: death your hobby. I'm just you know, folks, these days,
Speaker 1: these days have just gotten so hard and so long.
Speaker 1: And I think about the families of Buffalo and how
Speaker 1: now all of the attention is on Uvaldi. And I'm
Speaker 1: certain that in the next week or two there'll be
Speaker 1: another mass shooting, and maybe this person will kill twenty
Speaker 1: five kids or twenty five black people, aunties and grandmas
Speaker 1: and uncles and dads. Joe Biden is doing nothing. And
Speaker 1: I say that with the fullness of my understanding of
Speaker 1: the Congress, that he is up against But when I
Speaker 1: hear a fucking career politician say that we need bipartisan legislation, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: You've been in the Senate for how long. If there
Speaker 1: was an opportunity for bipartisan legislation, it's sure as fuck
Speaker 1: wasn't coming out of this goddamn Congress. And if it
Speaker 1: didn't happen in the last forty years when you were
Speaker 1: a senator and then the other fucking eight when you
Speaker 1: were a Vice president, what the fuck makes you think
Speaker 1: it's going to happen now? All of it is just
Speaker 1: lip service while families are literally planning the services of
Speaker 1: their dead loved ones, not from heart attack, not from
Speaker 1: tragic natural disasters. Know from our own own man made crises.
Speaker 1: And I say man made because it is white, male
Speaker 1: made fucking crises. I am sick and tired. I'm sick
Speaker 1: and tired. I hear you know that Fanny lu Hamer
Speaker 1: quote when she said, I'm sick and tired of being
Speaker 1: sick and tired, Like I'm sick and tired of crying,
Speaker 1: I'm sick and tired of yelling. I'm sick and tired
Speaker 1: of these goddamn stories over and over again. White supremacy,
Speaker 1: coupled with fucking gun mass shootings, coupled with fucking out
Speaker 1: of control pandemic, coupled with fucking climate change, coupled with
Speaker 1: VOTU suppression, coupled with a fucking criminal ex president who
Speaker 1: is continuing to spread lies and increase violence in this country,
Speaker 1: coupled with a fucking news station that is not regulated
Speaker 1: at all and is just continuing to brainwash and incite violence,
Speaker 1: and no one is doing anything except offering thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 1: Fuck your thoughts and prayers. They don't do shit. We
Speaker 1: continue to say we need to vote, we need to vote.
Speaker 1: We are voting. These are the motherfuckers who are being
Speaker 1: voted in. Did you see and I mentioned this last week?
Speaker 1: Bet to our work. Bett our Work is running for
Speaker 1: governor of Texas. Bet to our work instead of going
Speaker 1: to a fucking fundraiser like Governor Abbott did following the
Speaker 1: massacre and his bullshit press conference when he wants to
Speaker 1: talk about the school needing more doors as opposed to
Speaker 1: the fact that he lowered the age of gun licenses
Speaker 1: from twenty one to eighteen. Fuck it, why not make
Speaker 1: it sixteen? Fuck it? Why not just give them guns?
Speaker 1: At birth, because you're sure as fuck don't give kids
Speaker 1: anything else, not in this goddamn state and not in
Speaker 1: this fucking country. It's outrageous. And if you are not outraged,
Speaker 1: then you're not paying attention. Bulletproof backpacks, sword in sales.
Speaker 1: How the fuck does this make sense? Like, if I
Speaker 1: am looking outside of America, at America, I'm saying, man,
Speaker 1: that country is filled with a bunch of fucking backwards
Speaker 1: ass lunatics who care about nothing but causing harm, who
Speaker 1: care about nothing but violence, who care about not even
Speaker 1: each other nothing. How do you hold the title of president,
Speaker 1: of Senator, of member of Congress and you do nothing
Speaker 1: with the power that the people have given you. AOC
Speaker 1: last week went live and in the video clip that
Speaker 1: I watched, she's just like, you know, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: be fucking real. It ain't just Republicans. The entire Democratic
Speaker 1: establishment is a bunch of complacent ass status quo having
Speaker 1: feckless people. She's like, you want to blame everything on
Speaker 1: the Republicans, and that's true, they're terrible, but let's be
Speaker 1: clear that the Democrats are not doing anything to build
Speaker 1: anybody's pipeline. They're not doing anything to serve the actual people, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, last week, when was the last time
Speaker 1: they were with the people? And so now what can
Speaker 1: we look forward to the Department of Justice doing any
Speaker 1: type of investigation into the Yivaldi Police Department. I'm certain not.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck did Department of Justice
Speaker 1: is doing, but it seems like a whole bunch of nothing.
Speaker 1: So they seem to have a lot of time on
Speaker 1: their hands. Maybe you want to figure out how you
Speaker 1: have police officers stand outside and listen to gunshots going
Speaker 1: off that are riddling the bodies of children. Maybe figure
Speaker 1: out why they decided to bring in ice before they
Speaker 1: brought in the fucking help that those kids could have used,
Speaker 1: why they were putting parents in handcuffs as opposed to
Speaker 1: the fucking shooter. Coming up next, friends, my conversation with
Speaker 1: our good friend Glenn Kirshner to discuss the latest in
Speaker 1: where we are with the investigation into Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: to talk about what Joe Biden isn't doing. That's coming
Speaker 1: up next, folks. You know that when I have the
Speaker 1: opportunity each and every week to talk to our friend
Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner, host of Justice Matters and MSNBC legal analyst.
Speaker 1: We get up to speed on all of the things
Speaker 1: that can be happening should be happening with the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice. But isn't all the things that Biden should
Speaker 1: be doing. But he is not Glenn. This has been
Speaker 1: yet another just very long, long, depressing, violent week. Talk
Speaker 1: to us about how is it that Greg Abbott in
Speaker 1: Texas can just change all of these laws. Twenty one
Speaker 1: it was the age to get a gun in Texas.
Speaker 1: He dropped it within the year to eighteen. The shooter
Speaker 1: in Uvaldi was eighteen years old, able to get two
Speaker 1: AR fifteens in the course of twenty four hours and
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy five or so rounds of ammunition.
Speaker 1: No red flag, no nothing. No one's being held responsible
Speaker 1: for anything that is happening. The cops, I just learned,
Speaker 1: stood outside because they didn't want to be shot, So
Speaker 1: for an hour no one entered the building while children
Speaker 1: and teachers were being slaughtered. I just tell me, like,
Speaker 1: where are our laws? Why is one amendment outweigh all
Speaker 1: of the other ones. The Supreme Court's interpretation of the
Speaker 1: Second Amendment is a flipping farce, and Greg Abbott is
Speaker 1: an irredeemable human being who's putting assault weapons in the
Speaker 1: hands of children, teenagers, and this is the predictable result,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't care. What I really beside myself about
Speaker 1: at this point, Danielle, is that our federal government, our
Speaker 1: executive branch, our president, who I think has done a
Speaker 1: wonderful job trying to save our democracy in many respects,
Speaker 1: is not taking action. I don't want to hear. Let's
Speaker 1: come together as Democrats and Republicans and find a legislative fixed.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is a product of the Senate for about
Speaker 1: twelve hundred years. Okay, that's an for a very long time.
Speaker 1: If he could have fixed this problem legislatively, he would have.
Speaker 1: They can't. And if you thought they couldn't tend twenty
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, they really can't fix it legislatively now.
Speaker 1: But you know what Joe Biden could do. He could
Speaker 1: pick up his pen and he could start signing executive orders.
Speaker 1: If I were president, I would sign a hundred executive
Speaker 1: orders in a hundred days. And when my right hand
Speaker 1: cramped up and fell off, I'd learned how to use
Speaker 1: my left hand. When you look back at our nation's history,
Speaker 1: the Emancipation Proclamation was accomplished via executive orders. Desegregation in
Speaker 1: Little Rock, in large part, was accomplished by executive orders.
Speaker 1: President Roosevelt signed more than thirty seven hundred executive orders
Speaker 1: dealing with the Great Depression and World War Two. And
Speaker 1: we have to acknowledge executive orders were sometimes used improperly,
Speaker 1: like to put Japanese Americans into internment camps, and they
Speaker 1: were used with evil and malice in one's heart, like
Speaker 1: the Muslim band. But so much can be accomplished with
Speaker 1: executive orders. When you realize that we have our brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters being slaughtered, our children being slaughtered, first at
Speaker 1: Sandy Hook, and now this we have our Hispanic American
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters being slaughtered in El Paso, Asian American
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters being slaughtered while they worship, our Jewish
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters being slaughtered in their synagogue, our African
Speaker 1: American brothers and sisters being slaughtered when they're shopping for groceries.
Speaker 1: Are LGBTQ brothers and sisters at the Pulse nightclub, And
Speaker 1: we sit here and we do nothing. Nothing. President Biden
Speaker 1: could pick up his pen and in twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: get his deep constitutional thinkers in the executive branch to
Speaker 1: help craft an executive order that we think might withstand
Speaker 1: a legal challenge, a constitutional challenge I here by BAM
Speaker 1: high capacity magazines period. And then you go into court
Speaker 1: and you fight for what's right. You know, you fight
Speaker 1: against the suit that will be brought by the Russian compromised,
Speaker 1: you know, Republicans taking MRA money. You fight for what's
Speaker 1: right and for goodness sakes, if you lose in court,
Speaker 1: there's no shame in that you have fought to protect
Speaker 1: the American people. I declare a state of national emergency.
Speaker 1: This is a public health emergency. All of those people
Speaker 1: who have been slaughtered that we were just mentioning, we
Speaker 1: do nothing. We do nothing, and that needs to change.
Speaker 1: And that can change tomorrow with President Biden starting to
Speaker 1: sign executive orders and let the litigation come. If we
Speaker 1: lose in court, Danielle, the judges will say, here is
Speaker 1: how this executive order stepped its toe over the constitutional line,
Speaker 1: just like and I hate to cite this as an example.
Speaker 1: Trump's first Muslim band was struck down I believe, if
Speaker 1: I'm not misremembering, and he retooled based on what that
Speaker 1: disgusting administration learned from the litigation and he fine tuned it,
Speaker 1: and I think the second band was upheld. Why can't
Speaker 1: we do that in the gun arena? The answer is
Speaker 1: we can, but we're not because it's a political calculation.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about political calculations when all
Speaker 1: of those populations are being slaughtered. So let's get off
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Speaker 1: streaming on YouTube and Twitch. It just doesn't make any
Speaker 1: sense to me. I listened to a reporter, Glenn, and
Speaker 1: I believe that the reporter was from the UK. He
Speaker 1: was from Europe, I will say, and he's asking Ted
Speaker 1: Cruz to his face. He said, this is a uniquely
Speaker 1: American problem, and the world wants to understand. Is this
Speaker 1: what it means when you say American exceptional that you
Speaker 1: have these assault rifles? They're like, nowhere else in the
Speaker 1: world does this happen? Nowhere else in the world. Are
Speaker 1: we selling bulletproof backpacks which have just sword in sales,
Speaker 1: bulletproof backpacks. We would rather do not a goddamn thing,
Speaker 1: And that includes the President of the United States to
Speaker 1: do nothing. And you're right about the political calculations, because
Speaker 1: all everybody is calculating is their own neck and is
Speaker 1: their own pocket. That is the calculation. The NRA. Glenn
Speaker 1: is getting ready to hold a convention in Houston. In Houston, Texas.
Speaker 1: One of the headliners Greg Abbott, and guess what, there
Speaker 1: are no guns allowed because they're afraid. But our children
Speaker 1: are supposed to be spending part of their instructional time
Speaker 1: learning to flee from a gunman, learning what to do
Speaker 1: when the school is locked down because there is an
Speaker 1: active shooter on the campus. I don't understand what actions
Speaker 1: should the Department of Justice be taking. Why is it
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice taking action against Greg Abbott and
Speaker 1: the fact that he is literally, to your point, placing
Speaker 1: guns in the hands of children eighteen to get a gun,
Speaker 1: but you have to be twenty one to drink. I'm confused.
Speaker 1: These numbers are arbitrary. Why not just give them a gun?
Speaker 1: Went after birth? Right? What action, if any, can the
Speaker 1: Department of Justice take should take that this president is
Speaker 1: not taking all they deliver to us our thoughts and prayers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Abbott will probably try to have
Speaker 1: Texas institute a cradle to the grave gun possession mandate.
Speaker 1: Oh you're born, here's your birth certificate. Here's that nice
Speaker 1: little hat we put on your head to keep warm, baby,
Speaker 1: and here's your semi automatic rifle. You know what can
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice do. Part of the challenge is
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice and the executive branch generally, and
Speaker 1: this will bring back the executive order discussion. They can
Speaker 1: only enforce the laws, and when you have a Supreme
Speaker 1: Court who has so obviously misrepresented what the Second Amendment
Speaker 1: really means. The Second Amendment, as we both know, says
Speaker 1: a well regulated militia being necessary to a free state,
Speaker 1: the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Speaker 1: They are actually two qualifiers in the introductory clause that
Speaker 1: frame the right to bear arms, well regulated and militia.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court, in its zeal to make sure we
Speaker 1: are awashi and nuns, reads those two qualifiers out of
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment because one, these children running around with
Speaker 1: assault rifles are not members of a militia, and they're
Speaker 1: sure not well regulated, either as members of a militia
Speaker 1: or as individuals who are simply keeping and bearing arms.
Speaker 1: It's such a travesty what the Supreme Court has done
Speaker 1: in the Second Amendment arena, but part of it hamstrings
Speaker 1: both the Department of Justice. They can only enforce the
Speaker 1: laws that are on the books, and admittedly, what President
Speaker 1: Biden can do on the executive order front, because he
Speaker 1: can't create law, he can only faithfully enforce the law.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean he can't use executive orders to
Speaker 1: promulgate safety regulations in many ways for our nation, as
Speaker 1: other presidents have done over time. That's where I believe
Speaker 1: he should take a stab at crafting an executive order
Speaker 1: that at a minimum outlaws prohibits I shouldn't use the
Speaker 1: word outlaw prohibits and regulates high capacity magazines because why
Speaker 1: must we give these mass murders an opportunity to kill
Speaker 1: without reloading? Why? Why? Where is that in the Second
Speaker 1: Amendment or in the founders intent? They had dang muskets
Speaker 1: back then, don't tell me the Founders intended unlimited then
Speaker 1: did clip magazines so mass murderers wouldn't have to reload?
Speaker 1: Are you flipping kidding me? So? Yeah? But what But
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Because all of that is accurate and right,
Speaker 1: But the reality is is that we allow these gun
Speaker 1: rights people to be able to advocate and say, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it'll be a slippery slope. If they ban
Speaker 1: high capacity magazines, then my gun is going to be next. Right,
Speaker 1: How is it that they're able to apply that logic,
Speaker 1: but women are not able to apply the same logic
Speaker 1: when it comes to the ban on abor. Shit right,
Speaker 1: Oh that, then it's birth control, then it's this, then
Speaker 1: it's that. It's like, I don't understand how we're living
Speaker 1: in a country that believes that books and uteruses are
Speaker 1: more of a threat than an AR fifteen. It just
Speaker 1: it is. I feel Glenn in insane, and I honestly
Speaker 1: don't understand the lack of urgency from this administration on
Speaker 1: this issue. When you say that the president can, I mean,
Speaker 1: we know that executive orders can be overturned in and
Speaker 1: next administration, So let's worry about that the next time around.
Speaker 1: Let's worry about that in twenty twenty four. How many
Speaker 1: lives could be saved between now and the next election.
Speaker 1: I just I don't And there's tell me this, Is
Speaker 1: there anything that the people can do that the people
Speaker 1: we the people can do, because people right now feel
Speaker 1: absolutely powerless. The people in Buffalo, they're afraid to go
Speaker 1: to their community center, they're afraid to leave their homes.
Speaker 1: The people of Uvaldi are trying to figure out with
Speaker 1: dental records identify their children because their bodies have been
Speaker 1: ripped to shrides, what can the people do? Because the
Speaker 1: people are exhausted and terrified. If you and I had
Speaker 1: an answer to the question of what more the people
Speaker 1: could do that had any hope of really moving the
Speaker 1: ball forward, you know, you and I, we would be
Speaker 1: on the rooftop screaming it at the top of our lungs.
Speaker 1: We would never shut up. And I wish I had
Speaker 1: a satisfactory answer right now. What I hope doesn't happen
Speaker 1: is that with as frustrated and upset and anxious and
Speaker 1: desperate and fearful as we are, all of us who
Speaker 1: give a who give a flip about our democracy, who
Speaker 1: give a flip about our children, or about all of
Speaker 1: our brothers and sisters whose lives are at risk every
Speaker 1: day because of the Greg Abbots of the world, and
Speaker 1: the Mitch McConnell's of the world, and the Romneys of
Speaker 1: the world, who takes more and our money than anybody else.
Speaker 1: What I don't want to see happen is that we
Speaker 1: just kind of go into a corner and give up
Speaker 1: because and I hesitate to say it, and I laugh
Speaker 1: at myself because I know we have state legislatives, legislatures
Speaker 1: trying to nullify our votes. We still have to vote
Speaker 1: in numbers too big to rig and too real to steal.
Speaker 1: We still have to contact every elected representative, from our
Speaker 1: city council member to our senator and everybody in between.
Speaker 1: I don't care if they're going to be receptive to
Speaker 1: our constituent calls or not. We still have to do it.
Speaker 1: And you know, citizens, nonprofit organizations, lots of entities apart
Speaker 1: from government, are actually doing some really hard work to
Speaker 1: save our democracy and keep us safe. Not only the
Speaker 1: anti gun groups, but you know these groups like People
Speaker 1: for Free Speech who are in court every day trying
Speaker 1: to get the Madison Cawthorne's disqualified from the ballot, trying
Speaker 1: to get the Marjorie Taylor Greens, and the Paul Gostars
Speaker 1: and Mastriano, that idiot from Pennsylvania disqualified from the ballot.
Speaker 1: That's us, that's five citizens doing it. So yes, there
Speaker 1: are lots of ways that we can engage, and I
Speaker 1: have to preach that getting engaged, you know, being a
Speaker 1: pole worker, being somebody who goes out and you know,
Speaker 1: Campick canvases for a politician who, if elected you actually
Speaker 1: have faith in, will try to do the right thing.
Speaker 1: Difficult though it may be working the phones, I mean
Speaker 1: helping some of these nonprofits that are actually attacking these problems,
Speaker 1: trying to fill the vacuum left by government sloth and
Speaker 1: in action. We all have to keep doing it. It
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it's having an impact, but if we
Speaker 1: stop doing it, then we're just giving it all over
Speaker 1: to the greg Abbots of the world. Glenn, with a
Speaker 1: few minutes that we have left, there has been some
Speaker 1: developments with regard to Trump the insurrection, and you have
Speaker 1: learned some things that I was not aware of. So
Speaker 1: because my mind has been completely on you know, mass
Speaker 1: shootings and massacres. Where are we with Donald Trump at
Speaker 1: the insurrection as we prepare I guess upcoming in a
Speaker 1: few weeks for the prime time hearings. Yeah, really blockbuster reporting.
Speaker 1: I know we say that a lot. Nothing actually seems
Speaker 1: to bust the block I don't know if that's a thing.
Speaker 1: But the New York Times reported that Donald Trump said
Speaker 1: as the insurrection raged, as the capital was under attack,
Speaker 1: he said two things to Mark Meadows. One he said
Speaker 1: he was angry. He was upset that Mike Pence was
Speaker 1: being whisked away to safety while the Capitol was being attacked.
Speaker 1: The second thing he said, which is even more breathtaking,
Speaker 1: but maybe of less consequence. Ultimately, he said maybe, as
Speaker 1: his angry mob was chanting hang Mike Pence, he said,
Speaker 1: maybe Mike Pence should be hanged. And Mark Meadows recounted
Speaker 1: that to his Mark Meadows aids, who then told the
Speaker 1: J six Committee. Of course Mark Meadows is going to
Speaker 1: claim all his aids are lying, which is absurd. You
Speaker 1: hired them sport. So the second comment needs no further explanation.
Speaker 1: This morning, I couldn't help but tweet with a little
Speaker 1: two minute direct clip on Twitter that Trump equals trees
Speaker 1: and end of equation, because if you read the law
Speaker 1: of treason, it says, if you take an oath of
Speaker 1: allegiance to the United States and you levy war, you
Speaker 1: wage war against the United States, You've committed the crime
Speaker 1: of trees. And Donald Trump has give me three hours
Speaker 1: and I'll prove it in a court of law. The
Speaker 1: first statement is even more interesting because the whole goal
Speaker 1: of the stop the steal, the fake ellect, there's all
Speaker 1: this kind of nonsense, was to delay the certification of
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's win for as long as possible, hoping maybe
Speaker 1: we can throw it to the states and then have
Speaker 1: one state, one vote, decide who the president is. And
Speaker 1: there are more Republican legislatures than there are Democrat legislatures,
Speaker 1: so Trump wins, even though that runs contrary to the
Speaker 1: popular vote in the electoral college count. So wouldn't you think, Danielle,
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump would be pleased that Mike Pence was
Speaker 1: being whisked away from the Capitol to safety. Why because
Speaker 1: that would delay the vote and it would at least
Speaker 1: forward I want to overturn the election ball. But that's
Speaker 1: not who Donald Trump is. Nope, Donald Trump was angry
Speaker 1: that Mike Pence was being whisked away to safety, and
Speaker 1: then he followed it up with maybe Mike Pence should
Speaker 1: be hanged. That is who Donald Trump is. And I
Speaker 1: when I see each piece of damning evidence reported, I
Speaker 1: become more convinced, not less convinced, that the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice will indict Donald Trump and all his co conspirators
Speaker 1: for what they did. And I just did a deep
Speaker 1: dive piece, Danielle that will go up on MSNBC Daily
Speaker 1: either today or tomorrow. And I'm going to say I'm
Speaker 1: really proud of it because what it does is It
Speaker 1: takes the interplay between the January sixth Committee, the thousand
Speaker 1: witnesses they've presented, and the Department of Justice, which everybody
Speaker 1: accuses of investigative slow right, and it really analyzes what
Speaker 1: I believe is going on. And the question I pose
Speaker 1: up front is there a method to this investigative madness?
Speaker 1: And there ultimately is. I don't know that it's entirely satisfying,
Speaker 1: but I hope people will read this not because I
Speaker 1: want lots of clicks, but because I do an explainer
Speaker 1: that I think is counterintuitive, because even I, as a
Speaker 1: former career DJ prosecutors, say, oh my god, I want
Speaker 1: these thousand witnesses first before Congress so I can indict
Speaker 1: everybody and then let Congress do its job, because indicting
Speaker 1: them is more important than future legislation to prevent this
Speaker 1: from happening in the future. But there are some things
Speaker 1: that play that I don't think are intuitive, and I
Speaker 1: don't think you would know unless you've been on the inside.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that that is helpful in adding something
Speaker 1: to the anxiety level that may help reduce it just
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know. I have to say that now,
Speaker 1: just in closing. Now, I become a little nervous about
Speaker 1: an indictment of Donald Trump in a time when violence
Speaker 1: is at an all time high in this country. And
Speaker 1: what is kind of swimming around in my head right
Speaker 1: now is if that news breaks, let's just say, you know,
Speaker 1: before midterm elections would be a great time. What the
Speaker 1: response is going to be of his And there is
Speaker 1: no way to say I don't care what their response
Speaker 1: is going to be because they have more guns than
Speaker 1: we do. Yeah, but they're weaker than we are. They're
Speaker 1: better armed, but they're weaker, and they do not have
Speaker 1: righteousness on their side. They don't have decency and empathy
Speaker 1: and inclusivity. They don't have any of that on their side.
Speaker 1: In Danielle, not to be cavalier about it, we have
Speaker 1: fought a revolutionary war, we have fought a civil war.
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight any more wars, either internally
Speaker 1: or externally if we can help it. But are some
Speaker 1: things worth fighting for? I think they are. So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying consequences be damned, because I don't want to
Speaker 1: see Americans hurt left right, center anywhere. But we have
Speaker 1: to do what's right and let the chips fall and
Speaker 1: then deal with those chips while they fall, because we
Speaker 1: have to do what's right. You're right, Glenn Kirshner. As always,
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Speaker 1: appreciate you, Glenn, and we'll talk again soon. Thanks, Daniel,
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