WEBVTT - Man-Made Crises

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you something. I watched a part of

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<v Speaker 1>the press conference that the Uvaldi Police gave where the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Public Safety Director Stephen McCraw said, quote from

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<v Speaker 1>the benefit of hindsight from where I'm sitting now, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the wrong decision, the wrong decision, the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>decision to have police officers not enter a building when

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<v Speaker 1>there was an active shooter killing nineteen children, three adults,

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<v Speaker 1>wounding god knows how many, because we haven't had that

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<v Speaker 1>information in releasing its entirety for an hour, one hour,

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<v Speaker 1>that shooter was allowed to walk the hallways, go into classrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering that did the police officers that were standing outside,

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<v Speaker 1>did they hear the screams of the children in their

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<v Speaker 1>classrooms screaming for their parents, screaming for their lives? How

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<v Speaker 1>did they sleep that night when they got home, Because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there are other reports that came out that

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<v Speaker 1>those very same officers went into the building to get

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<v Speaker 1>their own fucking kids, but not the kids of other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Reports came out that the very same officers that were

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<v Speaker 1>sitting outside. You know, by the way, they have guns, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure elementary school students don't. But they decided

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<v Speaker 1>to save their own children and save their own lives

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<v Speaker 1>while turning teachers into heroes. Teachers don't sign up to

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<v Speaker 1>do military training. We have Republicans like fucking Ted Crews saying, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we just need to arm teachers. Ron Desantists did the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing in fucking Florida. Adding more guns in schools

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<v Speaker 1>is not how we should be dealing with school shootings

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<v Speaker 1>where shooters use one kind of fucking weapon and AAR fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and AAR fifteen with bump magazine capacity allows you to

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<v Speaker 1>fire off hundreds of bullets without even having to think

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<v Speaker 1>about reloading. Do you think that the framers of the

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution who said that folks had a right to bear arms,

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<v Speaker 1>we're thinking about magazine capacities that could mow down an

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<v Speaker 1>entire classroom without the shooter breaking a fucking sweat. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think so. The interpretation the purity with which the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Supreme Court wants to interpret the Constitution these days

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<v Speaker 1>is bullshit. Because you see the world changes and evolves

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<v Speaker 1>and regardless of how much they want to hold us

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<v Speaker 1>with their death grip in the past, we will break

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<v Speaker 1>free one way or the fucking other. The rage that

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<v Speaker 1>I feel these days, coupled with the absolute crippling grief,

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<v Speaker 1>it is like this continued vacillation between these emotions that

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I'm not the only one that is

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<v Speaker 1>swinging back and forth on because it's the grief that

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<v Speaker 1>we know that a R fifteens and fucking military grade

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<v Speaker 1>assault weapons are not part of your constitutional right to

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<v Speaker 1>bear fucking arms. They're not. I don't understand. While military

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<v Speaker 1>grade fucking weapons is considered a goddamn hobby, how is

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<v Speaker 1>death your hobby. I'm just you know, folks, these days,

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<v Speaker 1>these days have just gotten so hard and so long.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think about the families of Buffalo and how

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<v Speaker 1>now all of the attention is on Uvaldi. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>certain that in the next week or two there'll be

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<v Speaker 1>another mass shooting, and maybe this person will kill twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five kids or twenty five black people, aunties and grandmas

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<v Speaker 1>and uncles and dads. Joe Biden is doing nothing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I say that with the fullness of my understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>the Congress, that he is up against But when I

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<v Speaker 1>hear a fucking career politician say that we need bipartisan legislation, motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been in the Senate for how long. If there

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<v Speaker 1>was an opportunity for bipartisan legislation, it's sure as fuck

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't coming out of this goddamn Congress. And if it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't happen in the last forty years when you were

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<v Speaker 1>a senator and then the other fucking eight when you

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<v Speaker 1>were a Vice president, what the fuck makes you think

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to happen now? All of it is just

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<v Speaker 1>lip service while families are literally planning the services of

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<v Speaker 1>their dead loved ones, not from heart attack, not from

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<v Speaker 1>tragic natural disasters. Know from our own own man made crises.

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<v Speaker 1>And I say man made because it is white, male

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<v Speaker 1>made fucking crises. I am sick and tired. I'm sick

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<v Speaker 1>and tired. I hear you know that Fanny lu Hamer

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<v Speaker 1>quote when she said, I'm sick and tired of being

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<v Speaker 1>sick and tired, Like I'm sick and tired of crying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sick and tired of yelling. I'm sick and tired

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<v Speaker 1>of these goddamn stories over and over again. White supremacy,

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<v Speaker 1>coupled with fucking gun mass shootings, coupled with fucking out

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<v Speaker 1>of control pandemic, coupled with fucking climate change, coupled with

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<v Speaker 1>VOTU suppression, coupled with a fucking criminal ex president who

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<v Speaker 1>is continuing to spread lies and increase violence in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>coupled with a fucking news station that is not regulated

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<v Speaker 1>at all and is just continuing to brainwash and incite violence,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one is doing anything except offering thoughts and prayers.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck your thoughts and prayers. They don't do shit. We

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<v Speaker 1>continue to say we need to vote, we need to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>We are voting. These are the motherfuckers who are being

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<v Speaker 1>voted in. Did you see and I mentioned this last week?

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<v Speaker 1>Bet to our work. Bett our Work is running for

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<v Speaker 1>governor of Texas. Bet to our work instead of going

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<v Speaker 1>to a fucking fundraiser like Governor Abbott did following the

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<v Speaker 1>massacre and his bullshit press conference when he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the school needing more doors as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he lowered the age of gun licenses

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty one to eighteen. Fuck it, why not make

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<v Speaker 1>it sixteen? Fuck it? Why not just give them guns?

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<v Speaker 1>At birth, because you're sure as fuck don't give kids

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<v Speaker 1>anything else, not in this goddamn state and not in

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<v Speaker 1>this fucking country. It's outrageous. And if you are not outraged,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're not paying attention. Bulletproof backpacks, sword in sales.

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<v Speaker 1>How the fuck does this make sense? Like, if I

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<v Speaker 1>am looking outside of America, at America, I'm saying, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that country is filled with a bunch of fucking backwards

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<v Speaker 1>ass lunatics who care about nothing but causing harm, who

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<v Speaker 1>care about nothing but violence, who care about not even

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<v Speaker 1>each other nothing. How do you hold the title of president,

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<v Speaker 1>of Senator, of member of Congress and you do nothing

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<v Speaker 1>with the power that the people have given you. AOC

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<v Speaker 1>last week went live and in the video clip that

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<v Speaker 1>I watched, she's just like, you know, I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be fucking real. It ain't just Republicans. The entire Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>establishment is a bunch of complacent ass status quo having

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<v Speaker 1>feckless people. She's like, you want to blame everything on

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans, and that's true, they're terrible, but let's be

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<v Speaker 1>clear that the Democrats are not doing anything to build

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<v Speaker 1>anybody's pipeline. They're not doing anything to serve the actual people, because,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, last week, when was the last time

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<v Speaker 1>they were with the people? And so now what can

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<v Speaker 1>we look forward to the Department of Justice doing any

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<v Speaker 1>type of investigation into the Yivaldi Police Department. I'm certain not.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the fuck did Department of Justice

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<v Speaker 1>is doing, but it seems like a whole bunch of nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>So they seem to have a lot of time on

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<v Speaker 1>their hands. Maybe you want to figure out how you

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<v Speaker 1>have police officers stand outside and listen to gunshots going

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<v Speaker 1>off that are riddling the bodies of children. Maybe figure

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<v Speaker 1>out why they decided to bring in ice before they

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<v Speaker 1>brought in the fucking help that those kids could have used,

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<v Speaker 1>why they were putting parents in handcuffs as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking shooter. Coming up next, friends, my conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>our good friend Glenn Kirshner to discuss the latest in

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<v Speaker 1>where we are with the investigation into Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what Joe Biden isn't doing. That's coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next, folks. You know that when I have the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity each and every week to talk to our friend

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn Kirshner, host of Justice Matters and MSNBC legal analyst.

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<v Speaker 1>We get up to speed on all of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that can be happening should be happening with the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice. But isn't all the things that Biden should

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<v Speaker 1>be doing. But he is not Glenn. This has been

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<v Speaker 1>yet another just very long, long, depressing, violent week. Talk

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<v Speaker 1>to us about how is it that Greg Abbott in

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<v Speaker 1>Texas can just change all of these laws. Twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>it was the age to get a gun in Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>He dropped it within the year to eighteen. The shooter

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<v Speaker 1>in Uvaldi was eighteen years old, able to get two

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<v Speaker 1>AR fifteens in the course of twenty four hours and

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and seventy five or so rounds of ammunition.

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<v Speaker 1>No red flag, no nothing. No one's being held responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for anything that is happening. The cops, I just learned,

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<v Speaker 1>stood outside because they didn't want to be shot, So

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<v Speaker 1>for an hour no one entered the building while children

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<v Speaker 1>and teachers were being slaughtered. I just tell me, like,

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<v Speaker 1>where are our laws? Why is one amendment outweigh all

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<v Speaker 1>of the other ones. The Supreme Court's interpretation of the

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<v Speaker 1>Second Amendment is a flipping farce, and Greg Abbott is

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<v Speaker 1>an irredeemable human being who's putting assault weapons in the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of children, teenagers, and this is the predictable result,

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<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't care. What I really beside myself about

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, Danielle, is that our federal government, our

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<v Speaker 1>executive branch, our president, who I think has done a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful job trying to save our democracy in many respects,

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<v Speaker 1>is not taking action. I don't want to hear. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>come together as Democrats and Republicans and find a legislative fixed.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden is a product of the Senate for about

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<v Speaker 1>twelve hundred years. Okay, that's an for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>If he could have fixed this problem legislatively, he would have.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't. And if you thought they couldn't tend twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years ago, they really can't fix it legislatively now.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what Joe Biden could do. He could

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<v Speaker 1>pick up his pen and he could start signing executive orders.

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<v Speaker 1>If I were president, I would sign a hundred executive

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<v Speaker 1>orders in a hundred days. And when my right hand

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<v Speaker 1>cramped up and fell off, I'd learned how to use

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<v Speaker 1>my left hand. When you look back at our nation's history,

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<v Speaker 1>the Emancipation Proclamation was accomplished via executive orders. Desegregation in

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<v Speaker 1>Little Rock, in large part, was accomplished by executive orders.

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<v Speaker 1>President Roosevelt signed more than thirty seven hundred executive orders

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with the Great Depression and World War Two. And

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<v Speaker 1>we have to acknowledge executive orders were sometimes used improperly,

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<v Speaker 1>like to put Japanese Americans into internment camps, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were used with evil and malice in one's heart, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Muslim band. But so much can be accomplished with

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<v Speaker 1>executive orders. When you realize that we have our brothers

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<v Speaker 1>and sisters being slaughtered, our children being slaughtered, first at

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<v Speaker 1>Sandy Hook, and now this we have our Hispanic American

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<v Speaker 1>brothers and sisters being slaughtered in El Paso, Asian American

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<v Speaker 1>brothers and sisters being slaughtered while they worship, our Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>brothers and sisters being slaughtered in their synagogue, our African

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<v Speaker 1>American brothers and sisters being slaughtered when they're shopping for groceries.

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<v Speaker 1>Are LGBTQ brothers and sisters at the Pulse nightclub, And

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<v Speaker 1>we sit here and we do nothing. Nothing. President Biden

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<v Speaker 1>could pick up his pen and in twenty four hours,

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<v Speaker 1>get his deep constitutional thinkers in the executive branch to

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<v Speaker 1>help craft an executive order that we think might withstand

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<v Speaker 1>a legal challenge, a constitutional challenge I here by BAM

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<v Speaker 1>high capacity magazines period. And then you go into court

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<v Speaker 1>and you fight for what's right. You know, you fight

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<v Speaker 1>against the suit that will be brought by the Russian compromised,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Republicans taking MRA money. You fight for what's

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<v Speaker 1>right and for goodness sakes, if you lose in court,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no shame in that you have fought to protect

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<v Speaker 1>the American people. I declare a state of national emergency.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a public health emergency. All of those people

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<v Speaker 1>who have been slaughtered that we were just mentioning, we

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<v Speaker 1>do nothing. We do nothing, and that needs to change.

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<v Speaker 1>And that can change tomorrow with President Biden starting to

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<v Speaker 1>sign executive orders and let the litigation come. If we

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<v Speaker 1>lose in court, Danielle, the judges will say, here is

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<v Speaker 1>how this executive order stepped its toe over the constitutional line,

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<v Speaker 1>just like and I hate to cite this as an example.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's first Muslim band was struck down I believe, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not misremembering, and he retooled based on what that

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting administration learned from the litigation and he fine tuned it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the second band was upheld. Why can't

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<v Speaker 1>we do that in the gun arena? The answer is

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<v Speaker 1>we can, but we're not because it's a political calculation.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to hear about political calculations when all

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<v Speaker 1>of those populations are being slaughtered. So let's get off

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<v Speaker 1>the diamond. Let's do something. Hey, I'm David Plots of Slaves.

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<v Speaker 1>Political Gabfest. As another election season accelerates, it can be

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<v Speaker 1>tricky to sort through all the noise and the news.

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<v Speaker 1>Each week, on the Gabfest, John Dickerson, Emily Bathlon and

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<v Speaker 1>I decipher the headlines, break down the races, and tell

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<v Speaker 1>streaming on YouTube and Twitch. It just doesn't make any

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. I listened to a reporter, Glenn, and

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that the reporter was from the UK. He

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<v Speaker 1>was from Europe, I will say, and he's asking Ted

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<v Speaker 1>Cruz to his face. He said, this is a uniquely

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<v Speaker 1>American problem, and the world wants to understand. Is this

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<v Speaker 1>what it means when you say American exceptional that you

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<v Speaker 1>have these assault rifles? They're like, nowhere else in the

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<v Speaker 1>world does this happen? Nowhere else in the world. Are

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<v Speaker 1>we selling bulletproof backpacks which have just sword in sales,

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<v Speaker 1>bulletproof backpacks. We would rather do not a goddamn thing,

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<v Speaker 1>And that includes the President of the United States to

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<v Speaker 1>do nothing. And you're right about the political calculations, because

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<v Speaker 1>all everybody is calculating is their own neck and is

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<v Speaker 1>their own pocket. That is the calculation. The NRA. Glenn

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<v Speaker 1>is getting ready to hold a convention in Houston. In Houston, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the headliners Greg Abbott, and guess what, there

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<v Speaker 1>are no guns allowed because they're afraid. But our children

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<v Speaker 1>are supposed to be spending part of their instructional time

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<v Speaker 1>learning to flee from a gunman, learning what to do

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<v Speaker 1>when the school is locked down because there is an

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<v Speaker 1>active shooter on the campus. I don't understand what actions

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<v Speaker 1>should the Department of Justice be taking. Why is it

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice taking action against Greg Abbott and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he is literally, to your point, placing

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<v Speaker 1>guns in the hands of children eighteen to get a gun,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have to be twenty one to drink. I'm confused.

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<v Speaker 1>These numbers are arbitrary. Why not just give them a gun?

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<v Speaker 1>Went after birth? Right? What action, if any, can the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice take should take that this president is

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<v Speaker 1>not taking all they deliver to us our thoughts and prayers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess Abbott will probably try to have

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<v Speaker 1>Texas institute a cradle to the grave gun possession mandate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you're born, here's your birth certificate. Here's that nice

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<v Speaker 1>little hat we put on your head to keep warm, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's your semi automatic rifle. You know what can

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice do. Part of the challenge is

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice and the executive branch generally, and

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<v Speaker 1>this will bring back the executive order discussion. They can

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<v Speaker 1>only enforce the laws, and when you have a Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court who has so obviously misrepresented what the Second Amendment

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<v Speaker 1>really means. The Second Amendment, as we both know, says

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<v Speaker 1>a well regulated militia being necessary to a free state,

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<v Speaker 1>the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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<v Speaker 1>They are actually two qualifiers in the introductory clause that

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<v Speaker 1>frame the right to bear arms, well regulated and militia.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court, in its zeal to make sure we

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<v Speaker 1>are awashi and nuns, reads those two qualifiers out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Second Amendment because one, these children running around with

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<v Speaker 1>assault rifles are not members of a militia, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>sure not well regulated, either as members of a militia

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<v Speaker 1>or as individuals who are simply keeping and bearing arms.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a travesty what the Supreme Court has done

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<v Speaker 1>in the Second Amendment arena, but part of it hamstrings

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<v Speaker 1>both the Department of Justice. They can only enforce the

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<v Speaker 1>laws that are on the books, and admittedly, what President

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<v Speaker 1>Biden can do on the executive order front, because he

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<v Speaker 1>can't create law, he can only faithfully enforce the law.

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't mean he can't use executive orders to

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<v Speaker 1>promulgate safety regulations in many ways for our nation, as

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<v Speaker 1>other presidents have done over time. That's where I believe

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<v Speaker 1>he should take a stab at crafting an executive order

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<v Speaker 1>that at a minimum outlaws prohibits I shouldn't use the

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<v Speaker 1>word outlaw prohibits and regulates high capacity magazines because why

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<v Speaker 1>must we give these mass murders an opportunity to kill

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<v Speaker 1>without reloading? Why? Why? Where is that in the Second

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment or in the founders intent? They had dang muskets

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<v Speaker 1>back then, don't tell me the Founders intended unlimited then

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<v Speaker 1>did clip magazines so mass murderers wouldn't have to reload?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you flipping kidding me? So? Yeah? But what But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing, Because all of that is accurate and right,

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is is that we allow these gun

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<v Speaker 1>rights people to be able to advocate and say, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, it'll be a slippery slope. If they ban

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<v Speaker 1>high capacity magazines, then my gun is going to be next. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>How is it that they're able to apply that logic,

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<v Speaker 1>but women are not able to apply the same logic

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the ban on abor. Shit right,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that, then it's birth control, then it's this, then

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<v Speaker 1>it's that. It's like, I don't understand how we're living

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<v Speaker 1>in a country that believes that books and uteruses are

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<v Speaker 1>more of a threat than an AR fifteen. It just

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I feel Glenn in insane, and I honestly

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand the lack of urgency from this administration on

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<v Speaker 1>this issue. When you say that the president can, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that executive orders can be overturned in and

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<v Speaker 1>next administration, So let's worry about that the next time around.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's worry about that in twenty twenty four. How many

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<v Speaker 1>lives could be saved between now and the next election.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't And there's tell me this, Is

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<v Speaker 1>there anything that the people can do that the people

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<v Speaker 1>we the people can do, because people right now feel

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely powerless. The people in Buffalo, they're afraid to go

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<v Speaker 1>to their community center, they're afraid to leave their homes.

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<v Speaker 1>The people of Uvaldi are trying to figure out with

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<v Speaker 1>dental records identify their children because their bodies have been

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<v Speaker 1>ripped to shrides, what can the people do? Because the

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<v Speaker 1>people are exhausted and terrified. If you and I had

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<v Speaker 1>an answer to the question of what more the people

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<v Speaker 1>could do that had any hope of really moving the

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<v Speaker 1>ball forward, you know, you and I, we would be

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<v Speaker 1>on the rooftop screaming it at the top of our lungs.

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<v Speaker 1>We would never shut up. And I wish I had

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<v Speaker 1>a satisfactory answer right now. What I hope doesn't happen

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<v Speaker 1>is that with as frustrated and upset and anxious and

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<v Speaker 1>desperate and fearful as we are, all of us who

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<v Speaker 1>give a who give a flip about our democracy, who

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<v Speaker 1>give a flip about our children, or about all of

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<v Speaker 1>our brothers and sisters whose lives are at risk every

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<v Speaker 1>day because of the Greg Abbots of the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Mitch McConnell's of the world, and the Romneys of

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<v Speaker 1>the world, who takes more and our money than anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>What I don't want to see happen is that we

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of go into a corner and give up

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<v Speaker 1>because and I hesitate to say it, and I laugh

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<v Speaker 1>at myself because I know we have state legislatives, legislatures

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<v Speaker 1>trying to nullify our votes. We still have to vote

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<v Speaker 1>in numbers too big to rig and too real to steal.

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<v Speaker 1>We still have to contact every elected representative, from our

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<v Speaker 1>city council member to our senator and everybody in between.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if they're going to be receptive to

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<v Speaker 1>our constituent calls or not. We still have to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, citizens, nonprofit organizations, lots of entities apart

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<v Speaker 1>from government, are actually doing some really hard work to

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<v Speaker 1>save our democracy and keep us safe. Not only the

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 1>anti gun groups, but you know these groups like People

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<v Speaker 1>for Free Speech who are in court every day trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get the Madison Cawthorne's disqualified from the ballot, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get the Marjorie Taylor Greens, and the Paul Gostars

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<v Speaker 1>and Mastriano, that idiot from Pennsylvania disqualified from the ballot.

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<v Speaker 1>That's us, that's five citizens doing it. So yes, there

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<v Speaker 1>are lots of ways that we can engage, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have to preach that getting engaged, you know, being a

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<v Speaker 1>pole worker, being somebody who goes out and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Campick canvases for a politician who, if elected you actually

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<v Speaker 1>have faith in, will try to do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Difficult though it may be working the phones, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>helping some of these nonprofits that are actually attacking these problems,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to fill the vacuum left by government sloth and

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<v Speaker 1>in action. We all have to keep doing it. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel like it's having an impact, but if we

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<v Speaker 1>stop doing it, then we're just giving it all over

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<v Speaker 1>to the greg Abbots of the world. Glenn, with a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes that we have left, there has been some

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<v Speaker 1>developments with regard to Trump the insurrection, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>learned some things that I was not aware of. So

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<v Speaker 1>because my mind has been completely on you know, mass

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<v Speaker 1>shootings and massacres. Where are we with Donald Trump at

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<v Speaker 1>the insurrection as we prepare I guess upcoming in a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks for the prime time hearings. Yeah, really blockbuster reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we say that a lot. Nothing actually seems

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<v Speaker 1>to bust the block I don't know if that's a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But the New York Times reported that Donald Trump said

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<v Speaker 1>as the insurrection raged, as the capital was under attack,

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<v Speaker 1>he said two things to Mark Meadows. One he said

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<v Speaker 1>he was angry. He was upset that Mike Pence was

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<v Speaker 1>being whisked away to safety while the Capitol was being attacked.

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<v Speaker 1>The second thing he said, which is even more breathtaking,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe of less consequence. Ultimately, he said maybe, as

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<v Speaker 1>his angry mob was chanting hang Mike Pence, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Mike Pence should be hanged. And Mark Meadows recounted

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<v Speaker 1>that to his Mark Meadows aids, who then told the

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<v Speaker 1>J six Committee. Of course Mark Meadows is going to

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<v Speaker 1>claim all his aids are lying, which is absurd. You

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 1>hired them sport. So the second comment needs no further explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>This morning, I couldn't help but tweet with a little

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<v Speaker 1>two minute direct clip on Twitter that Trump equals trees

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<v Speaker 1>and end of equation, because if you read the law

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<v Speaker 1>of treason, it says, if you take an oath of

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<v Speaker 1>allegiance to the United States and you levy war, you

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>wage war against the United States, You've committed the crime

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<v Speaker 1>of trees. And Donald Trump has give me three hours

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll prove it in a court of law. The

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<v Speaker 1>first statement is even more interesting because the whole goal

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 1>of the stop the steal, the fake ellect, there's all

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>this kind of nonsense, was to delay the certification of

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden's win for as long as possible, hoping maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we can throw it to the states and then have

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<v Speaker 1>one state, one vote, decide who the president is. And

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>there are more Republican legislatures than there are Democrat legislatures,

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<v Speaker 1>so Trump wins, even though that runs contrary to the

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<v Speaker 1>popular vote in the electoral college count. So wouldn't you think, Danielle,

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<v Speaker 1>that Donald Trump would be pleased that Mike Pence was

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<v Speaker 1>being whisked away from the Capitol to safety. Why because

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<v Speaker 1>that would delay the vote and it would at least

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>forward I want to overturn the election ball. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>not who Donald Trump is. Nope, Donald Trump was angry

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<v Speaker 1>that Mike Pence was being whisked away to safety, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he followed it up with maybe Mike Pence should

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<v Speaker 1>be hanged. That is who Donald Trump is. And I

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<v Speaker 1>when I see each piece of damning evidence reported, I

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>become more convinced, not less convinced, that the Department of

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Justice will indict Donald Trump and all his co conspirators

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:16.720
<v Speaker 1>for what they did. And I just did a deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive piece, Danielle that will go up on MSNBC Daily

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>either today or tomorrow. And I'm going to say I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really proud of it because what it does is It

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<v Speaker 1>takes the interplay between the January sixth Committee, the thousand

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>witnesses they've presented, and the Department of Justice, which everybody

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>accuses of investigative slow right, and it really analyzes what

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I believe is going on. And the question I pose

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<v Speaker 1>up front is there a method to this investigative madness?

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>And there ultimately is. I don't know that it's entirely satisfying,

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>but I hope people will read this not because I

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 1>want lots of clicks, but because I do an explainer

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:11.360
<v Speaker 1>that I think is counterintuitive, because even I, as a

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>former career DJ prosecutors, say, oh my god, I want

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:19.320
<v Speaker 1>these thousand witnesses first before Congress so I can indict

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody and then let Congress do its job, because indicting

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 1>them is more important than future legislation to prevent this

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 1>from happening in the future. But there are some things

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that play that I don't think are intuitive, and I

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>don't think you would know unless you've been on the inside.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm hoping that that is helpful in adding something

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<v Speaker 1>to the anxiety level that may help reduce it just

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. You know. I have to say that now,

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<v Speaker 1>just in closing. Now, I become a little nervous about

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<v Speaker 1>an indictment of Donald Trump in a time when violence

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<v Speaker 1>is at an all time high in this country. And

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<v Speaker 1>what is kind of swimming around in my head right

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<v Speaker 1>now is if that news breaks, let's just say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>before midterm elections would be a great time. What the

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<v Speaker 1>response is going to be of his And there is

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<v Speaker 1>no way to say I don't care what their response

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be because they have more guns than

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<v Speaker 1>we do. Yeah, but they're weaker than we are. They're

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<v Speaker 1>better armed, but they're weaker, and they do not have

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<v Speaker 1>righteousness on their side. They don't have decency and empathy

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<v Speaker 1>and inclusivity. They don't have any of that on their side.

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<v Speaker 1>In Danielle, not to be cavalier about it, we have

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<v Speaker 1>fought a revolutionary war, we have fought a civil war.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to fight any more wars, either internally

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<v Speaker 1>or externally if we can help it. But are some

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<v Speaker 1>things worth fighting for? I think they are. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying consequences be damned, because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>see Americans hurt left right, center anywhere. But we have

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<v Speaker 1>to do what's right and let the chips fall and

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<v Speaker 1>then deal with those chips while they fall, because we

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<v Speaker 1>have to do what's right. You're right, Glenn Kirshner. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for making the time to join

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<v Speaker 1>wik f Folks check out Glenn's Peace at MSNBC dot

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