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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Numbers Game podcast, Ryan Grodski, thank

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Speaker 1: you all for being here again. We are less than

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Speaker 1: two weeks away from the election. Make a plan to vote.

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Speaker 1: Local elections matter. I guarantee you there's a local election

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Speaker 1: that you might not even know about coming up. So

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Speaker 1: figure out who's running, who you're going to support, and

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Speaker 1: get it and vote. Make your voice be heard. I

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Speaker 1: have a few stories that I want to cover today. First,

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Speaker 1: this story flew under the radar from the mainstream media.

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Speaker 1: I actually didn't see any almost anyone cover it, and

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Speaker 1: it's not super important, but it flies in the face

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Speaker 1: of an old narrative that is very commonly regurgitated without

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Speaker 1: any thought, without anyone even thinking about it, and that

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Speaker 1: it's slavery made America wealthy. Now, first and foremost, you

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Speaker 1: know everything I think. I don't think I need to

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Speaker 1: say this, but I'm going to say this. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I'm not praising or condoning or belittling experience of slavery.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wish we'd never had slaves in this country. However,

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Speaker 1: that's statement that slavery made America rich simply isn't true.

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Speaker 1: And not only did it not make America rich, but

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Speaker 1: it kept the South poor. That's according to a new

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Speaker 1: study from researchers from Columbia, Dartmouth, and Yale Universities. Their

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Speaker 1: names are trev Allen, Winston, Chen and Siresh and I

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Speaker 1: do I guarantee you I mispronounced the last name, but

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Speaker 1: I tried Siresh. Their study explored what the Antebellum American

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Speaker 1: economy would have looked like without slavery, it says quote.

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Speaker 1: Combining theory and data, we then quantify how dismantling the

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Speaker 1: institutional slavery affected the spatial economy. We find that the

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Speaker 1: economic impacts of emancipation are substantially generating welfare gains for

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Speaker 1: enslaved of roughly twelve hundred percent, while reducing welfare for

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Speaker 1: free workers byzero point seven percent and eliminating slave holder profit.

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Speaker 1: Aggregated GDP rises by nine point one percent, with a

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Speaker 1: contraction and agricultural productivity counteracted by an expansion of manufacturing

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Speaker 1: and services driven by an exodus of former enslaved workers

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Speaker 1: out of agriculture and into the US North. All right,

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Speaker 1: Remember that at the time of the Civil War, products

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Speaker 1: made from slaves made about twelve point six percent of

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Speaker 1: work hard. Cotton specifically, which is, you know what, we

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Speaker 1: kind of align the idea of what slaves in American

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Speaker 1: South did. Cotton specifically was only five percent of our GDP,

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Speaker 1: and according to a study from the Chicago Booth Review,

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Speaker 1: slavery distorted markets and slave workers earned about one hundred

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Speaker 1: net for owners due to coercion, costs, emancipations. Efficiency gains

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Speaker 1: equated to four percent on the low estimate to thirty

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Speaker 1: five percent on the high estimate of GDP. Slavery was

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Speaker 1: industrialized society. The slavery slowed the South's development, making slave

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Speaker 1: The left says that slavery made America rich. No capitalism

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Speaker 1: that these Ivy League universities are willing to put up

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Speaker 1: study necessarily in twenty twenty, but they were willing to

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Speaker 1: hear from a lot of other podcasts and a lot

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Speaker 1: of other media outlets really lies in the face of

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Speaker 1: the left's narrative. Slavery didn't make America rich, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't talk a lot about history on

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Speaker 1: this podcast, but I found that site very, very fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I put it in my substack on the National Populist

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Speaker 1: newsletter from last week, but I thought I had to

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Speaker 1: share with you guys. Okay, let's talk about the upcoming elections.

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Speaker 1: They're coming up close. I know that I've made this

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Speaker 1: people perceive the midterms, people perceive the strength and weakness

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Speaker 1: of President Trump and his coalition. There have been a

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Speaker 1: flurry of polls in Virginia, especially focused on the Attorney

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Speaker 1: Not all of them, but quite a few. When you

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that most Democrats from Gavin Newsom in California,

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Speaker 2: ten hours in the rain in you know, the Berkshooters

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Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so crazy. I keep telling the Republicans, like, guys,

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Speaker 1: electricity prices are the new papist issue. Talk about data centers.

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Speaker 1: It's so important. They're just missing the vote. Can we

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Speaker 1: just talk about Cuoma for a second. Sure, he's always

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Speaker 1: a terrible candidate, and we just didn't notice because he

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Speaker 1: was always He was anointed into his ag seed and

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Speaker 1: then anointed into the governor's mansion and was in the blue,

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Speaker 1: super blue state, and only Cynthia Nixon challenged him, and

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Speaker 1: she didn't. She she had a great campaign, ads, but

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Speaker 1: she was an insufferable personality. So like is was he

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Speaker 1: always just bad? Or did he just doesn't doesn't? Or

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Speaker 1: was he expect to be anointed again?

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Speaker 2: You know? So funny you say this because I asked

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Speaker 2: something very similar in that I watched as part of

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Speaker 2: my job, the entire debate the other night, and I

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Speaker 2: could not believe how terrible Andrew Coma was.

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Speaker 1: Horrible.

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Speaker 2: Uh uh. You know what what I know or knew

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Speaker 2: of Andrew Cmo was this feared politician who carries brass knuckles,

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Speaker 2: you know, destroys his opponent, is ruthless, wins it all.

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Speaker 2: Coust is known to be very you know, quick on

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Speaker 2: his feet and good with a quip. And I saw

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Speaker 2: a guy that was rambling, rigid, you know, had the

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Speaker 2: fact that Mandannie had all these slick answers and retorts,

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Speaker 2: and Cuomo walked into you know, set attacks like against himself.

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Speaker 2: You know, when he tried.

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Speaker 1: To use he could answer on COVID no.

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Speaker 2: And look he was attacked once again on visiting a mosque,

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Speaker 2: which was a huge thing back in his primary and

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Speaker 2: he still had not rectified it. And you know, you

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Speaker 2: had no to know what was coming. What happened was

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Speaker 2: and I was asked this earlier today, how come how

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Speaker 2: do we get to having Mandanni and Cuomo to choose?

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Speaker 2: And obviously Curtis Leewa, you go back a year and Cuomo,

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Speaker 2: led by about thirty to forty points, and most Democrats said, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm not running into that buzzsaul I actually had a

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Speaker 2: candidate reach out to me and asked to me. We

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Speaker 2: sat down on a Saturday for about two hours, and

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Speaker 2: he wanted to talk about running and what did I think,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. And one of my first questions was, are

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Speaker 2: you willing to take on Andrew Cuomo? Right, he's going

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Speaker 2: to do whatever he has to do it. If you rise,

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Speaker 2: if you're successful, that's good. The bad news is you're

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Speaker 2: on his radar and here comes the heat seeking missiles.

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Speaker 2: He ran everybody out, but you know that he won

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Speaker 2: the war before a shot was fired. People just didn't

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Speaker 2: realize how terrible he was going to be actually running

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Speaker 2: for mayor on this kind of rose garden strategy. I

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Speaker 2: don't really talk to the press, have like, you know,

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Speaker 2: three or four things, crime and education, and Mandonnie just

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Speaker 2: had a finger on the pulse and went out and hustled.

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Speaker 2: If people knew that the front runner was going to

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Speaker 2: be a thirty three year old socialist, you I mean

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Speaker 2: the number of people who would have run members of Congress,

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Speaker 2: you know, wealthy people, business people, but you know, it's

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Speaker 2: like in ninety two, the number of Democrats who are like,

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Speaker 2: the gonna be Bill Clinton. I want to run.

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Speaker 1: No, it's so you know, a former New York Yankee

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Speaker 1: from like the Dynasty or reached out to me about

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Speaker 1: running as a Republican, and I just said, listen, Curtis

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Speaker 1: has been hitting the pavement for seven for five straight

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Speaker 1: years now, like it's gonna be tough. And then and

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Speaker 1: then if you beat him, you got Andrew Kuama and

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Speaker 1: he's just going to be our next mayor. I don't like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to tell you. I discoverage person

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Speaker 1: running him like Cuomo was going to be impossible to beat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I am dumbfounded, just dumbfounded, how like

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Speaker 1: you know you could. I do not like how we

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Speaker 1: handle COVID at all. And he did things that were

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Speaker 1: I think vindictive towards the end about keeping things closer

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Speaker 1: too long. However, I'm a New York resident. Went it happened,

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Speaker 1: and people looked for leadership, and the whole country looked

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Speaker 1: at him, and he took a lot of words from Fauci,

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Speaker 1: and he he stood in a time of crisis, and

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Speaker 1: right or wrong, he could sit there and say I

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Speaker 1: was a leader when the country needed me, and I

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Speaker 1: made mistakes, but I did the best I could. And

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Speaker 1: he couldn't answer that I was. I could write a

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Speaker 1: better answer, and I disagree with you, And like, I

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Speaker 1: can't believe how little energy there is. It's this strange

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Speaker 1: dichotomy you're seeing in the Democratic Party as a whole,

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Speaker 1: and it's nationwide. It's Abigail Spemberger in Virginia and Mikey

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Speaker 1: Cheryl in New Jersey. They represent a lot of what

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Speaker 1: Democrats traditionally went on right, upper middle class to wealthy

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Speaker 1: women who uh, even though they're of the left, they

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Speaker 1: appear something that moderates can you know, like and take

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Speaker 1: and look responsible and sound smart.

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Speaker 2: And then you have Zoron and military service with both

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Speaker 2: of them right right now.

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Speaker 1: There's they're there, if credentials behind them, they've got money

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Speaker 1: behind them. There's everything they If you said to me,

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Speaker 1: draw a picture of what a Democrat would want to

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Speaker 1: run with, I would draw Abigail spambo because like it

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Speaker 1: is what they would like it. It's like looking at

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Speaker 1: a young Hillary Clinton to a certain degree that yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean she is, yeah, that's clearly going to run

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Speaker 1: for president. One day, and I mean, you can tell,

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Speaker 1: you could see the entire arc right there. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: thing about that it's interesting, though, is is that towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the campaign, Spamberger is doing fine, but

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Speaker 1: she's not as strong as she was a couple of

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Speaker 1: months ago. Agree and Mikey Cheryl has struggle throughout the

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Speaker 1: whole campaign, Like she still has not gotten minorities to

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Speaker 1: vote for her. Their vote their return on the mail

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Speaker 1: ballads is ten percent lower than whites. She lost the

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Speaker 1: Jewish support that was the for Governor Murphy she's had.

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Speaker 1: She's She's also a number of Democratic defections in Hudson County,

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Speaker 1: which is a very Democratic county that were supporting shit

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Speaker 1: Arelly Zoran at the same time, is only gaining ground

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Speaker 1: as time has gone on. And I talked to a

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Speaker 1: Democratic consultant on this podcast a cop months ago, and

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Speaker 1: he said to me, it's not a question of if

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Speaker 1: a socialist will be the Democratic nominee for president, It's

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Speaker 1: just a question of when do you come to that

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Speaker 1: same opinion for president. You're saying for president Dominie for president.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is likely yes, in the short run.

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Speaker 2: And I think the ultimate example of this is AOC,

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Speaker 2: because I don't see how she does not run. Mark

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Speaker 2: Cokwper and I go back and forth back this, He's like,

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Speaker 2: no way, no, she's not. You're not a top tier cannon.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, she's got the energy, she's of the

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Speaker 2: of the base. She's the intellectual kind of heart of

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Speaker 2: the base. Right now, she's gonna have no problem raising money.

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Speaker 2: So I think when you look at someone like Mandani,

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Speaker 2: you look at someone like AOC. You know, Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 2: being another example. They're getting closer, right like Sandersen, you know,

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Speaker 2: almost got it in sixteen, less so in twenty. But

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Speaker 2: right now, if I had to bet AOC would start

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Speaker 2: with twenty five percent of the vote, I mean she

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Speaker 2: and Gavin Newsom will be the two front runners. You

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Speaker 2: have a debate. My bet is she knocks him out

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Speaker 2: more than he you know that more likely than he

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Speaker 2: would knock her out because she's got the substance and

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Speaker 2: she's got the energy of the base behind her. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Historically we back, you know, we flirt,

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Speaker 2: but then we kind of sober up right before you know,

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Speaker 2: wedding day, Howard Dean you know, didn't didn't ultimately get there.

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Speaker 2: The same thing with Sanders in sixteen Sanders and Warren

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Speaker 2: in twenty. We just don't have a history of ultimately

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Speaker 2: going through. But kind of like Republicans, you do, you

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Speaker 2: don't until you do right, and then all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden you get Trump and like there it is. So

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Speaker 2: it is possible. And look, I think some of these

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Speaker 2: inner primary battles for the House, you're gonna see more

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Speaker 2: Socialists after Mandonnie likely wins. I'm gonna be curious about Jefferies.

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Speaker 2: The rumor here in New York is he is going

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Speaker 2: to endorse Mandannie probably Friday, probably Friday afternoon, late.

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Speaker 1: Lately, but he Mandonnie didn't, is not endorsing Hokeel No.

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Speaker 2: And the word is that mcdonnie's looking for someone to primary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah there's that gay black councilman from andre Choi or

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Speaker 1: something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, I we need to have this.

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Speaker 2: Like as much as it's painful for me and as

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Speaker 2: much as I roll my eyes at you know, parts

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Speaker 2: of our party. We need this fight. We need to

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Speaker 2: have primaries, we need to have debates and let everybody

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Speaker 2: go at each other. I think we may ultimately the

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Speaker 2: socialists may win. I think in the long run they'll lose,

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Speaker 2: but we need to stop putting a lid on it

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Speaker 2: and saying we can't do this.

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Speaker 1: Now, there is this guy, and I'm looking for his name,

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Speaker 1: and of course just loot of this question. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: blanking in his name. He's an Indian gentleman. He was

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Speaker 1: the thought leader really behind AOC and he is running

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Speaker 1: against Nancy Pelosi.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I know here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the cheap of staff and he was

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Speaker 1: the one he was the thought leader behind the Green

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Speaker 1: New Deal. I mean, he really thought of it and

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Speaker 1: gave it to AOC and she ran with it. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna remember it ten minutes after we stopped talking his name.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, do you think AOC endorses against Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 1: endorses are former chief of staff.

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Speaker 2: I think she'll wait to see if Pelosi, you know,

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Speaker 2: announces she's gonna step down. That the word is here

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Speaker 2: that she's going to do it right after the election.

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Speaker 2: Someone I know close to her said, when she leaves,

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Speaker 2: she's going to go, meaning she'll announce on like Monday

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Speaker 2: that I'm out on Friday. She's not gonna say what

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Speaker 2: she say. Yeah, yeah, she's not gonna say I'm going

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Speaker 2: to serve out the rest of this Congress, and and

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Speaker 2: and and go out. So I don't know. I think

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Speaker 2: it'll be a free for all. Reports are she wants

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Speaker 2: to She's leaning towards this. I think it's a Korean

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Speaker 2: American woman in San Francisco who's a city council woman.

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Speaker 1: Is kind of daughter wants to run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's always been out there that that she does.

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Speaker 2: But but this council woman, apparently is is who she

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Speaker 2: may favor. It's going to be really interesting to see

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Speaker 2: because AOC I think does face this, this this fork

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Speaker 2: in the road, which is she has in the last

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Speaker 2: few years become more of an inside baseball player. She's

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Speaker 2: kept her mouth kind of quiet about certain things where

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Speaker 2: you know, she defended Joe Biden really to the end,

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Speaker 2: which is something people don't talk much about. She was

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Speaker 2: very royal. I think that was a sign to the

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Speaker 2: to the party. I say this because does she want

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Speaker 2: to be Ted Kennedy, meaning a member of the House

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Speaker 2: or the Senate, you know, leadership for forty years and

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Speaker 2: try to have all this legislation that kind of bends

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Speaker 2: the artic on various issues, or does she say, sitting

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Speaker 2: around here is a waste of my time. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to go this is my shot. Who knows in five years,

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Speaker 2: if I still have the energy in the base and everything,

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Speaker 2: I'm going for president. And if I don't, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to go get a contract on MSNBC and you know,

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Speaker 2: be a pundit.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's also a woman of a particular age, where

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Speaker 1: like if she wants have children, the window is shutting

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Speaker 1: on it. She wants there's a personal aspect to all

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Speaker 1: these politicians of like do I want to have some

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Speaker 1: I mean, politics is a drug you don't want to

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Speaker 1: ever stop. And once it's there, there's nothing like a

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Speaker 1: campaign night, even though you know there's no adrenaline rush

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Speaker 1: I've ever experienced like a great day night. But you

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Speaker 1: know there's that aspect of like this is just she

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Speaker 1: don't want to have kids? Is she want to have

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Speaker 1: a normal family in any capacity? My last question because

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Speaker 1: I know I'm trying to keep you over so like

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Speaker 1: the and in the last election, Democrats have really done

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Speaker 1: very well with older voters. Older voters of when Bush

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Speaker 1: was running, those voters have passed away most of them.

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Speaker 1: And then the I always say Archie Bunker's dead. But

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Speaker 1: meet head as a senior citizen. Now that's that's older

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Speaker 1: voters now, like they've changed, great analogy. Yeah so, but

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Speaker 1: they struggle with lower pensity voters, minority men, people that

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Speaker 1: are were would would nationally be part of the Obama coalition.

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Speaker 1: Has anyone worked directify that that you sing for.

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Speaker 2: Some people that think the Obama coalition can be put

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Speaker 2: back together. Most people I talk to think we need

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Speaker 2: a new coalition, and and that that that I mean,

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Speaker 2: you just take those tenants right. Trump won young voters.

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Speaker 2: We're struggling not only with black young men, Latinos, we've

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Speaker 2: lost them just in general. Here, what is the new coalition?

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Speaker 2: We've really become white collar services in the urban centers

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Speaker 2: in kind of those tight suburban collars around a lot

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Speaker 2: of areas. Is our base. And how do weind of

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Speaker 2: expand into other areas because on a macro level, Trump

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Speaker 2: is making further inroads into blue areas and we're getting

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Speaker 2: further and further away from.

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Speaker 1: Red areas, and so Swing County one does yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Trying to put the Obama coalition back together. I just don't.

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Speaker 2: I think the Obama coalition contributed to our erosion with

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Speaker 2: the white working class. It it started, you know before,

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Speaker 2: but this focus on young people, minorities and then liberals

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Speaker 2: right the kind of wealthier people, that gap in between

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Speaker 2: was not really sustainable without an incredibly talented, unique person

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Speaker 2: like black Obama was. But even in twenty twelve, as

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Speaker 2: you know, he ground that thing out. I mean, there

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Speaker 2: was no hope and joy if those margins got much

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Speaker 2: much smaller, like the trend lines were already beginning to

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Speaker 2: move against him. And so I think we need a

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Speaker 2: new coalition. And of course part of this is does

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Speaker 2: the Trump coalition hold, you know, going forward for Jdvans

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Speaker 2: or whomever, or do some of these voters come back

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Speaker 2: up for grabs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's a great question, and it's something that

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of Republicans are looking at in

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Speaker 1: the midterms because they're drawing maps right now that are

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Speaker 1: dependent on a Trump coalition that if it, if it

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Speaker 1: flares out in any capacity, they might be they might

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Speaker 1: have drawn themselves into a dummy mander.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's possible, particularly in Texas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, where can people go to read more? Yourseff,

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Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day long, and I don't.

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Speaker 2: Wan't happy to do it.

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Speaker 1: I know where can people go to read you more?

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Speaker 1: I love you? On two Ways so you can give

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Speaker 1: any of your plugs of social media to follow up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, two Way would be the best place. We

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Speaker 2: are the Morning Meeting, which we are alive from nine

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Speaker 2: to ten am Eastern Monday through Friday. You can also

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Speaker 2: it's streams so you can catch it, you know, whenever

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Speaker 2: is convenient for you. And then I do something called

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Speaker 2: the Group Chat on Thursdays at four o'clock live again,

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Speaker 2: also on two Way, also streams so you can watch

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Speaker 2: that too. Those are the two primary places. And then

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Speaker 2: when given an invitation like you gave me, I'm always

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Speaker 2: always loved to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: I could do it answering my DM my anonymous dam

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Speaker 1: on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Thank you not anonymous?

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Speaker 1: What anonymous night unsolicited? Unsolicited? Yeah, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Ryan, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we'll be right back after this. Okay, Now it's

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Speaker 1: time for the Ask Me Anything segment of the show.

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Speaker 1: You guys love this. I love this. If you want

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Speaker 1: to be part of the Ask Me Anything segment, email

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Speaker 1: me Ryan at Numbers gamepodcast dot com. That's Ryan at

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Speaker 1: numbers Plural numbers Game podcast dot com. I read every

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Speaker 1: email and respond to every email. The first question comes

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Speaker 1: from Russell King. He asks, he asked many many questions,

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Speaker 1: So Russell, I'm going to get to the top three

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Speaker 1: very quickly. He says, is DEI dead on arrival starting

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four? I think he meant twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: But it has a lost cultural power and has it

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Speaker 1: lost corporate power. DEI is not dead, but it's definitely very,

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Speaker 1: very wounded, if not slowly dying. There are two main

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Speaker 1: factors considered. First, it's institutional practice itself of hiring and

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Speaker 1: promoting individuals based almost exclusively on racial or other potential

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Speaker 1: relevant identity markers like being gay or trans or a woman.

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Speaker 1: Then there's the other part of a broader cultural influence

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Speaker 1: that policies like this generate parts of the American culture

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Speaker 1: have been influenced by modern liberal politics. For sometime years ago,

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Speaker 1: there was this reference to a to this is like

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Speaker 1: political correctness, and then social justice, and then it was

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Speaker 1: like wokeness. But using woke is now a descriptor of

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Speaker 1: fading popularity. Right if you're like no one says that

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Speaker 1: they're woke, and it's a good thing. Woke is typically

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Speaker 1: looked down upon, and a lot of corporations understand this

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Speaker 1: and have moved away from a lot of woke stuff. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: policies like DEI remain in the headlines, but among the

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Speaker 1: general population they're definitely lower. Electing Donald Trump was a

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Speaker 1: big part of that. Should a broader cultural backlash against

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Speaker 1: corporate or a corporate behavior like this, and also like

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Speaker 1: a lot of other policies, a lot of democratic policies

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Speaker 1: that they championed. Trump had also on an executive order

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Speaker 1: that changeless Executive Order fourteen fifteen one one four one

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Speaker 1: five to one that brought the termination of all activities

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Speaker 1: relating to diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility by federal departments. Remember,

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Speaker 1: there is nothing more lucrative on this planet than either

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Speaker 1: a state or federal contract. So the promotion of ending

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Speaker 1: DEI policies in federal contracting and in state contracting, and

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Speaker 1: some states have done this, not all and not enough

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Speaker 1: also was a use and a good reason to sit

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Speaker 1: there and for corporations to drop it because they want

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Speaker 1: a federal contract. It's guaranteed check year in and year out,

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Speaker 1: month in and month out. So I think it's definitely wounded.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the telltale signs that you

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Speaker 1: could sit there and see is that companies are hiring

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Speaker 1: white men for their corporate boards at the fastest rate

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Speaker 1: in years. That wouldn't happen if DEI was surging, and

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Speaker 1: if it was not, you know, in the throes of

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Speaker 1: a very very painful exit. We'll see if things change

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Speaker 1: if in three years a time. But Trump's only one

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Speaker 1: term into his year, so there's three more year of

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Speaker 1: this practice. I would doubt to see it increases over

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Speaker 1: the next three years. Next question comes from Jason, who

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Speaker 1: asks if Mandani can win the New York mail race

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Speaker 1: in the first round of ranked choice voting. Thankfully, Jason

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Speaker 1: that unlike Maine in Alaska, New York City does not

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Speaker 1: have ranked choice voting in the general election, so it's

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Speaker 1: whoever gets a plurality. So if he gets forty percent

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Speaker 1: and the next person is thirty nine percent, he still wins.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to go to rank choice voting. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that Cuomo would have loved ranked choice voting in

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Speaker 1: a general election and hate it in a primary. It

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Speaker 1: would have benefited him, but there is none in the

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Speaker 1: general so Mandonnie just needs to get the most raw

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Speaker 1: votes on election day and he's the next mayor. Last

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Speaker 1: question comes from Patrick. He writes, Hey, Ryan, what is

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Speaker 1: your most controversial true crime hot take? Also thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the new Edge Gain show and the rest of the

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Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy Monster series. Dahmer Menendez Brothers. Season four is

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Speaker 1: reported about Lizzie Borden. What true crime story would you

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Speaker 1: like to see portrayed in season five? O hot take

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Speaker 1: is I'm going to say the hot take on the

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Speaker 1: way that the media covers true crime. I think that

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Speaker 1: one because consumers of true crime tend to are a

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Speaker 1: lot of gen xers, a lot of baby boomers. I

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Speaker 1: think we overly focus on crimes in the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 1: and eighties. I think that true crime of the He's

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Speaker 1: in two thousands and serrics nineteen thousands are covered a

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Speaker 1: lot less than you know, I think the more famous

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Speaker 1: serial killers of that time. That's why a lot of

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Speaker 1: these people, I mean, the men Andez brothers were from

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Speaker 1: the eighties or early nineties, but they are the exception,

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Speaker 1: and until Ryan Murphy did the documentary, not a lot

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Speaker 1: of people cover them because they just murdered their parents.

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Speaker 1: They didn't go on other killing spreez. But like the

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Speaker 1: Ted Bundies of the world and the Jeffrey Dahmers of

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Speaker 1: the world, who are you know? Every true crime podcast

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Speaker 1: talks about millions of books are sold and about these topics.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that that's why we're really

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Speaker 1: we're really consumed with that generation. Also, I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's an attention paid to black zerial killers. I think

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Speaker 1: that we should do more shows about them. On the

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Speaker 1: Murphy Monster series. I have seen the Dahmer one. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was really well made. It was very good.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't overly gory, which was good. The men Anda's

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Speaker 1: brother was a really gory murder scene and really really

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Speaker 1: hard to watch rape scenes. So I didn't enjoy watching

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Speaker 1: it because it was so gruesome. Although Chloe Sevenier is

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Speaker 1: brilliant as the mom. She's a really good actress. Okay,

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Speaker 1: which ones would I like to make? If I can

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Speaker 1: make a horror I'm not a horror but his through

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Speaker 1: crime serial killer movie. It would be about either the

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Speaker 1: Canny man killer, which is Dean Corral. He was a

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Speaker 1: killer from the seventies. Although I said, we take two

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Speaker 1: bunch emphasis in the seventies. His story is fascinating. He

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Speaker 1: killed lots of young men in Houston when Houston was

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Speaker 1: becoming a budding metropolis, and basically it's so insane because

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Speaker 1: cover a lot of crimes. And back in those days,

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Speaker 1: was not uncommon for young boys to be runaways, and

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Speaker 1: he would ed gaines would either have them before they

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Speaker 1: of weeks. So some parents weren't even looking for them,

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Speaker 1: to be victims. It was only because the two young

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Speaker 1: men who are still alive and in prison the only reason.

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Speaker 1: He had two young male accomplices who would lure these

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Speaker 1: accept of torture and murder to them. He tried to

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Speaker 1: rape and murder them, and they turned and killed him.

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Speaker 1: And at the time of his murder, they weren't even

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Speaker 1: looking for him. They didn't have a suspect. They did

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Speaker 1: not know that there was this terrible serial killer active

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Speaker 1: in use, and he prayed on poor boys whose parents

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Speaker 1: didn't have the I guess political capital or weren't considered

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Speaker 1: investigate because the police were so overwhelmed. It's a horrific story.

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Speaker 1: It's a fascinating story. It's fascinating because they weren't looking

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Speaker 1: for him, and he also had a girlfriend, but he

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Speaker 1: was gay. That whole aspect I think is interesting. And

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Speaker 1: the fact that his two accomplices are still alive. They

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Speaker 1: ed Gains himself. If they were accomplices, but I think

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Speaker 1: they were miners when they were accomplises for most part

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Speaker 1: of it. It's a fascinating story. We love that to

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Speaker 1: be a story. And then the other one is on

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Speaker 1: the Zebra Killers. They were a black and notionalist gang

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco once again the nineteen seventies. I know,

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Speaker 1: I just said we shouldn't talk with the seventies so much,

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Speaker 1: but that was this black the black nationalist who targeted

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Speaker 1: and murdered white people, which happened not like every day,

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Speaker 1: but there were gangs of black nationalists who did target

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Speaker 1: to murder white people and it's never been covered. And

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Speaker 1: how the police handled it was insane because they would

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Speaker 1: give black residents of San Francisco a card every day

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Speaker 1: and they had to get the card. It's called a

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Speaker 1: Zebra card, and they would be padded down for guns

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Speaker 1: and if they didn't have any, then they got their

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Speaker 1: card like stamped that day and they were allowed to

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Speaker 1: roam free. They could just go back to their house

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Speaker 1: and get the gun. It made it literally was the

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Speaker 1: most insane police work in the world. And then I

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Speaker 1: think they caught one and he ratted everybody out. But

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Speaker 1: it's a great interesting story on policing that I find

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Speaker 1: super fascinating. If you want to hear about a story

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Speaker 1: that is more recent, there was a book by Callahan

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Speaker 1: who she's a host on the Megan Kelly Network. Schmoureen Callahan.

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Speaker 1: She wrote a book about Israel Keys. He was one

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Speaker 1: of the only murderers of the twenty first century. Serial

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Speaker 1: Murders twenty first century. Great book, interesting, fascinating, book and

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Speaker 1: Israel Keys murdered tons of people. Was born in a cult,

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Speaker 1: so he had like no ID. He was not in

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Speaker 1: any kind of program, no like DNA program for like

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Speaker 1: twenty three in meter because his whole family lived on

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Speaker 1: a cult. He was a monster and it was a

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Speaker 1: super interesting story into the mind of a truly sociopathic

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Speaker 1: serial killer. Anyway, I know that's not the best happy

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Speaker 1: way to end a story about serial killing, but I

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Speaker 1: do love true crime. I would love to do maybe

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Speaker 1: an episode on True crime one day. But yeah, those

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Speaker 1: are my ones. I would like to do Ed Gaines,

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Speaker 1: Israel Keys, and Dean Corell the Candy Man Killer, if

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Speaker 1: anyone has to say with Ryan Murphy pitched those ideas

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Speaker 1: to him. And thank you for listening to this episode

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Speaker 1: of the podcast. Please like and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast wherever you listen to your podcast, and I

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Speaker 1: will see you guys on Monday.