1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk if I can continue to enjoy finding 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: out what makes other people tick and find out what 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: they did before they. 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: Were a star. 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: I find that extremely interesting because it's like one big 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: you're one big break away from being just a regular joke, 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: and I just find that so interesting. 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: And everybody has a first job. 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 4: I'm Buzznight, your host for the Taking a Walk Podcast. 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 4: We talk with musicians, authors and insiders about music with 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 4: great storytelling. Now, since I came out of the radio business, 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 4: from time to time I love talking with some old 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 4: radio friends, especially when they are podcasters. Jeff Zito is 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 4: my guest on this episode of Take It a Walk. 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 4: I met Jeff when I worked with Beasley Broadcasting. Jeff's 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 4: based in Florida and Jeff is also the host of 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 4: a great podcast I want you to check out. It's 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 4: called Celebrity Jobber, as he speaks with all sorts of celebrities, 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 4: musicians and sports figures and comedians about their first job 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 4: and where fate might have taken them if they didn't 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 4: become famous. So join me with Jeff Zito on the 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 4: Taking a Walk Podcast. Well, who whose idea was this? Jeff? 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: Yours? 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 4: Oh? Okay, you want to start. 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead. 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: Well, I guess it was my idea to do this, 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 4: so I'll start. Jeff Zito, Welcome to the Taking a 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 4: Walk Podcast. 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: You know, I was going to do it on my 30 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: iPhone and like take the dog for a walk, because 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: initially I remember when you first started doing this, that 32 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: is what you did, and I kind of thought that 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: was really cool. But you've evolved now you are now 34 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,279 Speaker 3: taking taking a seat. 35 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 4: Well, we like to walk when possible, and yet we 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 4: like to imagine walking virtually. So you're in Florida and 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 4: in Massachusetts, and let's imagine we're walking together on some 38 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 4: dreamy beach. 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: I like, I like even having this face to face conversation. 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: I think we should do this once a week. Anyway, 41 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: you know this is good. 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 4: I'm game. I'm game. So how did you get into 43 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: the wacky business of radio. 44 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: I was trying to become the next Quentin Tarantino, and 45 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: I went to well first, I digress. I first went 46 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 3: to Farris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan. I wanted 47 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: to be a golf pro, and a golf is in 48 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 3: my family. My brother is a golf pro and actually 49 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 3: he's a general manager at a very prestigious course here 50 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: in Tampa. But anyway, it's been in my family, and 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: I want to be a golf pro, like club pro, 52 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: not touring pro. I knew I wasn't that good, but 53 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: I could go to Farris State University in Big Rapids, 54 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: Michigan and get a lot of my business school taken 55 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 3: care of. 56 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: They actually had a pg. 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: M major, which stood for pro Golf Management, so you know, 58 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: you could get some of your business work done. After 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: a year of snow and lake effects snow, which I 60 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,279 Speaker 3: learned about being up there, I quickly said to myself, 61 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: are you an idiot? You are from Florida, Get the help. 62 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: Back down to Florida. Went back down to Florida, went 63 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: to a community college where they had a small but 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: pretty cool film school, and in my class was this guy, 65 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: Rob McKittrick, who ended up making a movie called Waiting 66 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: with Ryan Reynolds and actually a big classic. I was 67 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: in his class, and I had a teacher who was 68 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: just very I mean, his name was Del Jacobs. He 69 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: was a professor in TV radio pop culture and I 70 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: I just loved this guy, and he inspired me to 71 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: go into radios. I got an internship at a local 72 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 3: radio station. And as they say, buzz the rest is history. 73 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 4: So is it fair to say, back to the focus 74 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 4: of your podcast called Celebrity jobb or you would have 75 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 4: been a golf pro if you weren't in radio? Is 76 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: that it? 77 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: I was I and I was beginning in nineteen ninety. 78 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: Five four maybe ninety four ish, I get fired from 79 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 3: WYNF You know, I was making a cool sixteen five 80 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: a year, and I had a pregnant wife at home. 81 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: So I said, what am I going to do? 82 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: My brother said, well, you can be an assistant here 83 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: at the meadows. I run this course in Sarasota. You 84 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 3: can be an assistant fro here. 85 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: So I did. I went there for about a year. 86 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: I took my Player's ability test, your PAT. 87 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: I passed that. 88 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: I gave lessons and I couldn't get the hell out 89 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: of there, you know, until Fort Myers WJBX and Fort 90 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: Myers called me about a year later and said, hey, 91 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 3: do you want to do nights? And I said yes, 92 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: and I ran out of there as fast as I could. 93 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: You know, dealing with elderly rich folks, I learned buzz 94 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: was not my strength. 95 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 4: You know, I could only imagine, well, well. 96 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: What about you? How did you find your way into 97 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: this wacky world. 98 00:05:53,360 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 4: Well, I always fancied somehow being part of radio on 99 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 4: the radio. I really can imagine that at a very 100 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 4: young age thinking about it, because I grew up outside 101 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 4: of New York City and Stanford, Connecticut, so I got 102 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 4: to hear the great radio coming out of New York City. 103 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 4: So I just had this desire at a very early 104 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 4: age to somehow be associated with radio. If it didn't 105 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 4: work out, I always imagined that I would have been 106 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 4: the third baseman for the Saint Louis Cardinals. That was 107 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: really certainty. Yeah that was going to happen. 108 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow, I didn't know. So did you play 109 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: baseball in high school? 110 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 4: I played baseball just in the neighborhood. I didn't do 111 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 4: anything really that formal. And the fact of the matter was, 112 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 4: I think I was a pretty good hitter. I think 113 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 4: I was a pretty decent glove man with a decent arm. 114 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 4: But I literally ran like I had a piano on 115 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 4: my back. 116 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well that's that's that's that's usually what happens. 117 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: There's no five tool guys out there. 118 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: A couple, you know, And when you were in college, 119 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: did you go to where'd you go to college? And 120 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: did you actually study radio or broadcasting in college? 121 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: I went to the University of Dayton and Dayton, Ohio, 122 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: oh wow, and yeah, a flyer and they had a 123 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 4: carrier current radio station that was only heard, you know, 124 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 4: in the dorms. And they also were the owners of 125 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: a fifty thousand commercial FM station at the university called 126 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: w VUD. And you know, when I decided to go 127 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 4: to the University of Dayton once again, that was in 128 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 4: my sights to try, even though nothing was a guarantee 129 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 4: to get a job on VUD. That was the cool 130 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: progressive rock station. And uh it was home to probably 131 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 4: the most famous person was a guy named Dan Patrick him. Yeah, yeah, 132 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 4: he he did sports on the station and he ultimately, 133 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 4: you know, went on to do some rock radio, and 134 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 4: as they say, with him, the rest is history, you. 135 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: Know, very very cool. 136 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 4: So it was always in the blood and I can't 137 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 4: get it out even though I'm let's just say, I'm 138 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 4: on the outskirts of the business now. 139 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you still got your hand in so many 140 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: different things. 141 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: I remember, you know, you worked with a company that 142 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: I work for now for for a while and I 143 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 3: remember when you were coming into the company, we all 144 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: know knew who you were and were, you know, very 145 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: excited to have a rock guy work with us, and 146 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: I knew that, you know, for me that was exciting, 147 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: but more exciting was you were a fan of podcasting. 148 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 3: And you know, a big reason that our friendship began 149 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: was I heard from a former co worker of mine 150 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: who recently was let go. He said, Hey, I heard 151 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 3: from buzz Night. He gave me a call, and I go, 152 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 3: that's so funny that you bring up his name, because 153 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: I wanted to call him too and talk about his 154 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: podcast Taking a Walk, because I've got a podcast and 155 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 3: I kind of want to pick his brain a little bit. 156 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: You were you were in on this thing, you know, 157 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: pretty early. 158 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. It was always fascinating as another form of delivering 159 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 4: audio and also being able to for me, sharpen some 160 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: skills that I used to you lives when I was 161 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 4: on the air, learn new skills and learn it in 162 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: the form of this medium. And the beautiful part about 163 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 4: it is, as you know, there's experimentation that has sort 164 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: of welcomed around podcasting, which is pretty cool. And in addition, 165 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 4: I really love the fact that I'm I'm learning new things, 166 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: I'm relearning skills, I'm reconnecting with people that I hadn't 167 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: connected with in a while, and I'm connecting with people 168 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 4: I probably would never connect with in my entire life. 169 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 4: So I'm extremely you know, grateful for that. How's the 170 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 4: experience for you? When you think of your work on 171 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 4: your great podcast, Celebrity Jobber, I. 172 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: Think that it has like reinvigorated me. The world of 173 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: radio has changed dramatically, not in the past twenty years, 174 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: but in the past five years. And I still love it, 175 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: but it's changed and it's different, and you just need 176 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: to learn how to pivot and do things the new way. 177 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: The podcast kind of brings you back to makes me 178 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: think a lot about when I had a morning show 179 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: on WJBX and w rx K in Fort Myers and 180 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: it was a talk show and I had a morning 181 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: show with a partner by the name of Bob Garrett, 182 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: and we were on a station initially that was like 183 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: a flanker station, a station not designed to win. And 184 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: you know, if anybody in radio knows, if they're on 185 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: one of those stations, they are not fun to be 186 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: on because you don't win, you just block and I, 187 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 3: you know, i'd like to catch a touchdown once in 188 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: a while. But regardless, I was able to have great 189 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: success on that show and we went from a blocking 190 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: station to a major player beating the other his you know, 191 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 3: heritage morning shows in town. And it brings me back 192 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: to that time doing the podcast and having the long 193 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 3: form conversations because that's what I did during that time. 194 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: And you know, now you know, being you know on 195 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: the radio and PPM, which is the way that you 196 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: know they measure ratings. Now it's it's quick and it's 197 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: you know, you're not having those long form conversations anymore 198 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: unless you are on a big morning show. So the 199 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: podcast has just kind of reinvigorated me, and I just 200 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: it's so much fun. It just it brings me a 201 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: lot of pleasure. Plus I get to talk to some 202 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: interesting people maybe that I'm friends with that I don't 203 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: know anything about, like you know, we're friends. I don't 204 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: know what your real name is, can you tell? Can 205 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: you tell me? Or did your mom name you buzz? 206 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: Because I don't think, Oh no. 207 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 4: I actually have the alter ego in my radio identity 208 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 4: because when I worked in New York for this rock station, 209 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 4: called WNWFM. 210 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: I know it well. 211 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 4: I did part time there on the weekends five days 212 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 4: a week when I was on the radio in Connecticut 213 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 4: at the station I ninety five, and I was the 214 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 4: program director and I did mornings. I use the name 215 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 4: Buzz Night. And then when I went to work for 216 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 4: any W as one of the weekend warriors, I used 217 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: my real name, which is Bob Kosak. 218 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: So yeah, who calls you Bob in your real life? 219 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: Anybody? Does anybody call you Bob? 220 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 5: Wife? 221 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 4: There's a small uh just hey, hey hey. Former program 222 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: director Mark Chernoff, he calls me Bob. He's one of 223 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 4: the few still because of my time with him at 224 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: any W. I think Ken dash Out as well, who 225 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 4: is a DJ still in New York on Q one 226 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 4: oh four. Ken calls me Bob as well. But you know, 227 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 4: most of the time it's Buzz or hey you. 228 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got I got that and Buzz. 229 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: What was your very first job was it in radio 230 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: or what was the very first thing you got a 231 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: paycheck from? 232 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 4: Well, I was a caddy back to your golf your 233 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 4: golf game, and I remember when my particular assignment one 234 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 4: day was to go out and shag flies for doctor Milton, 235 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 4: and I thought the notion of being paid six dollars 236 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: an hour and having golf balls hit at you did 237 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: not really resonate with me, so I high tailed it 238 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 4: out of there. 239 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: I don't blame you. 240 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 3: You know you have something in common with former Prices, 241 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: right announcer Rich Fields, who was his very first job 242 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: He was a caddy. And there's there's someone else. I 243 00:15:53,720 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: believe Fox News analyst Brett Behar his first job was 244 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: as a caddy as well. 245 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: So you're in you're in fine company. 246 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 247 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 4: Well then after that, this is the one that still 248 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 4: to day, uh produces shrieks of laughter from my wife 249 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: that I actually did this. I worked at Bloomingdale's department 250 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 4: store in Stanford, Connecticut, and I was part of the 251 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: outside parking garage security detail. But we were playing clothes. 252 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 4: We didn't have official outfits. We were playing clothes. So 253 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: I had an early career of intrigue keeping perverts out 254 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 4: of the parking garage at Bloomingdale's. 255 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: Did you ever have to get physical with any of them? 256 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 4: I called the police officer on duty to do that. 257 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 4: That was that was a strict assignment. Don't get physical. 258 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: That's awesome, man. 259 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 5: You'll be right back with more of the Taken a 260 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 5: Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 261 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 4: So, who are some of your favorite interviews that you've 262 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 4: had on celebrity job or Man? 263 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: You know, some of my favorites have been ones that 264 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: I justn't thought were not really a good fit. And 265 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: I just you know, in this business when you're when 266 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: you're doing a podcast and you're speaking to celebrities, you 267 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: can't really have your pick of the litter. 268 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: You can't pick the biggest stars. You've got to pick 269 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: some people. 270 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 3: That you know might jog your memory a little bit, 271 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: or you know, sometimes you just you can't get the 272 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: biggest a lister. 273 00:17:51,920 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: So I remember one time getting the hell is his name? 274 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 3: My dad was a big fan of his because the 275 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 3: guy's ninety years old. Debbie Boone's uncle, uh Pat Boone, 276 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: Pat Booe. 277 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: Listen to me. 278 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: I really didn't have a lot for this guy because 279 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: he's like eighty eight. I really didn't think he could 280 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: follow along or give me what I was looking for. Boy, 281 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 3: what a dummy I was. This guy was fantastic. His 282 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 3: mind was sharp. He told me that his father was 283 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 3: an architect and a land developer, from New Jersey. I said, 284 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 3: my father was an architect and a land developer from 285 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: New Jersey. 286 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: He sang two Dy Fruity for me. 287 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it couldn't have been any more of a surprise. 288 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 3: How great that interview was with Pat Boone. I thought 289 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 3: it was great and a big surprise. Some of my 290 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: favorites that have you know, ended up being my favorites. 291 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 3: Paul Rogers from Bad Company, he you know, had a stroke, 292 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 3: couldn't couldn't talk, couldn't walk, couldn't brush his teeth, and 293 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 3: he's come out with a new album and him and 294 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 3: his wife were just so great and they sent me 295 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: a card and thank you letter, and I was blown 296 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: away by that. Kevin Cronin, his first job was Al Bundy, 297 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 3: you know, a ladies shoe salesman, and told me that 298 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 3: whole story about how he got the call from Rio 299 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 3: Speedwagon to be their lead singer. And that episode actually 300 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: blew up for me and got me a few a 301 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 3: few million downloads, and and that's what started this whole 302 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 3: thing with me, because I think that was only episode, 303 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: you know, first ten or twelve episodes was with Kevin Cronin, 304 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: and because of the amount of downloads I got on that, 305 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 3: I saw all the rest of them kind of go up, 306 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 3: and I was just I was just so motivated to 307 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 3: keep it going because you know, doing podcasts, you might 308 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 3: you know, fizzle out after you know, doing a few, 309 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 3: not making any money at it, and it just you know, 310 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: you've got you're busy doing other things. So that was 311 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 3: really really big for me. But what about taking a walk? 312 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 3: What was like the biggest surprise? Because you mentioned earlier 313 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 3: in our conversation that you spoke to people that you 314 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: never ever expected or had maybe interest in speaking to. 315 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 3: What were some of the big surprises that you had 316 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: on your podcast Taking a Walk? 317 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 4: Well, I I didn't know what to expect with an 318 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 4: artist named Amanda Shires. Amanda's in a band called The 319 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 4: High Women. She's married to Jason isbel although I think 320 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 4: they recently announced some problems again in their marriage. And 321 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 4: The High Women includes Brandy Carlisle and Maren Morris. It's 322 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 4: kind of a female supergroup. So I didn't really know 323 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 4: what to expect. I read up and listened to her 324 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 4: music and learned about Amanda. And this was in person. 325 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: We were supposed to walk in her neighborhood outside of Nashville, 326 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 4: but there were terrible thunderstorms, so we ended up being 327 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 4: sequestered in her wonderful barn, and she was just an 328 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 4: absolute delight. I thought she was going to actually cook 329 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 4: us some meals. She was just so friendly to us, 330 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 4: and it was just one of the great experiences and 331 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 4: definitely a real popular episode among people who have listened 332 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 4: to Taken a walk another fa it once again in 333 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 4: person was your mcalcan and from the Jefferson Airplane and 334 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 4: Hot Tuna. I walked with him at his fur Piece Ranch, 335 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 4: which is what he has up in the hills in Ohio, 336 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 4: and just a delightful guy to be around eighty three 337 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 4: years old, sharp, great shape, funny, endearing, very generous in 338 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 4: terms of sharing obviously his stories, and I kind of 339 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 4: expected he would be a great interview, but he certainly exceeded. 340 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: I mean, the surprise thing is funny that you mentioned that, 341 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 4: because there's some people you go in and you know, 342 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 4: even if it's virtual, and you just don't know really 343 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 4: what's gonna happen, what to expect with it, and then 344 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 4: you get nicely surprised. And I think I mentioned this 345 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 4: one to you, Glenn. Matt Locke who is an original 346 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 4: member of the Sex Pistols. What a stitch. He was 347 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 4: just funny, witty, you know, just honest and just a guy. 348 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 4: You wish you could just be hanging around that bloke 349 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 4: in a pub and having a couple of pops with him. 350 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 3: You know, what do you think you'd be doing, buzz 351 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 3: if this old broadcasting dream never came Trudy, do you 352 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: ever think about that, like where you were headed if 353 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: you didn't get that that gig on that first station. 354 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 4: I wonder if I would have been somehow in a 355 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 4: business that was a bit of a tangent from radio, 356 00:23:52,200 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 4: possibly maybe something involving writing or journalism. Potentially maybe something 357 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 4: in and around the music business, because I've always had 358 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 4: an extreme love for music, still do. But I was 359 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 4: banking really seriously on this being a gig, and you 360 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: had to stay out in Dayton when you were vying 361 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: for a job at WVUD, you had to stay through 362 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 4: the summer to work, and that was your commitment. So 363 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 4: I was on this place where if I didn't get 364 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 4: the job at VUD, I was probably gonna leave that 365 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 4: university and enroll somewhere closer to home. And who knows 366 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 4: what would have happened, But I think I would have 367 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 4: been somewhere around music or media. I just feel that way. 368 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 2: I think you probably would do. This would be, this 369 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: would be It would be a waste. It would be 370 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: a waste if you weren't. 371 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, so hey, let's close with this. Where do you 372 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 4: want your podcast to be a year from now? If 373 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 4: you could sort of dream and you could think about 374 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 4: audience growth, and you could think about, you know, just 375 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 4: that brand that you have built so wonderfully, where would 376 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 4: you do you like this all to be in a year? 377 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 3: You know, that's a great question, because it's one that 378 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 3: I have never thought about too hard. I just I 379 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: guess if you were just looking at like a graph, 380 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 3: a chart, like in the stock market, I would just 381 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 3: hope that it would continually go up. And I guess 382 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 3: you can't put a timetable on this. This is definitely 383 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: podcast is hate patience. It's a marathon, it's not a sprint. 384 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 3: And so far I've been on that upward incline couple, 385 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: had a couple of black mondays, if you will, But 386 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: I think overall it's it's been heading in the right direction. 387 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: But I guess I just want to keep growing and 388 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 3: as you know, look, you know, I don't have to 389 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 3: be Joe Rogan. 390 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 2: I don't need that. 391 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 3: You know, there's there's plenty of success for all podcasters 392 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: that that do this. And you know, Joe Rogan obviously 393 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 3: I mentioned him because he's making the big bucks, probably 394 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: the biggest of all of podcasters. But you know, I 395 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: just I have a feeling that programmatic advice are going 396 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 3: to increase, you know, in the next three years. And 397 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 3: if I can continue to enjoy finding out what makes 398 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: other people tick and find out what they did before 399 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 3: they were a star, I find that extremely interesting because 400 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: you know, it's like one big you're one big break 401 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: away from being just a regular joke. And I just 402 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 3: find that so interesting. And everybody has a first job, 403 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 3: you know. William Shatner his first job was at six 404 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: years old. 405 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: He was an actor. 406 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: His first gig came from acting, so he's been an 407 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 3: actor his whole life. Ricky Medlock from Lynyrd Skynyrd started 408 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 3: performing with his old man, Shorty Medlock, when he was 409 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 3: three years old on a TV show in Jacksonville. He 410 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: has been in the music business his whole life. That 411 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 3: doesn't happen for most everybody somebody, you know, most everybody 412 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: was a waiter or a caddie or worked at a 413 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: dinner theater like I did. And you know, it's just 414 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 3: everybody has that first job. But there are a handful 415 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: of guys that are in the same business they were in, 416 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 3: you know, fifty sixty and seventy years ago. So I 417 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 3: just find that incredibly interesting. And as long as I can, 418 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 3: you know, keep being you know, inspired by talking to 419 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: these people and finding out more. I don't know, I'll 420 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 3: keep doing the podcast until they tell me not to, 421 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: which could be any day now. 422 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 4: I don't think, so they won't be telling you that. 423 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: What what do you think, Buzz? You think this was 424 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: pretty good? 425 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 3: I feel like there were so many things that you know, 426 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: I didn't know about you that I know about you now, 427 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: especially Bob, your name isn't that crazy? All these years, 428 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: I've never you know, asked you what your real name was, 429 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 3: and that's usually a you know, radio guy question from 430 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 3: one to another. 431 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's public knowledge. So as they say, yeah, 432 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 4: this was a. 433 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 2: Lot of fun, I'm glad. I'm glad we did it. 434 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 3: You know, maybe we should do it again, And I 435 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 3: don't know, maybe do uh, maybe we should be Maybe 436 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: I should be taking a walk because tell you, my 437 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 3: I'm getting out of shape. I'm starting to be sore 438 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 3: all the time and sedentary, So might not be a 439 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: bad idea of taking a walk. And I just want 440 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 3: to thank you too for for all your help, because 441 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 3: when I first got into this, you know, we we 442 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 3: had a very light working relationship, only talked to each 443 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 3: other a few times, and then you really became a 444 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 3: mentor of mine and and helped me out so much 445 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: in the direction and analytics stuff with the podcast. 446 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: So I just wanted to thank you. 447 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 4: Hey, thank you. It's a lonely road when you're creating 448 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: a podcast many times, and it's great to have someone 449 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 4: who is on their own sojourn with it that we 450 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 4: can compare notes on. Thanks for turning me on to 451 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 4: guests like Paul Rodgers who was so spectacular, and for 452 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 4: supporting what I'm doing here. And let's keep let's keep 453 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 4: growing it to great leaps and bounds. And yeah, next 454 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 4: time I'll bring the road wireless microphones and let's take 455 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 4: a walk in person. 456 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: You got a deal. You got a deal man, all right? 457 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 4: Thanks enjoy celebrity jobber. 458 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: And taking a Walk. Thanks Buzz. 459 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 460 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 5: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 461 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 5: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 462 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 5: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, podcasts, and 463 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 5: wherever you get your podcasts.