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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Is this a great game or what

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Speaker 1: with the Hall of Famer My dad, Tim Kirkshen. I

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Speaker 1: am Jeff Kirkshen, And today is the fifty first anniversary

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Speaker 1: of Hank Aaron's seven hundred and fifteenth home run. And

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Speaker 1: it's wildly important because our guest Dad has a massive

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Speaker 1: connection to that home run.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Tom House is our guest today.

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Speaker 4: Tom, of course, is a former major league pitcher, former

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Speaker 4: major league pitching coach.

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Speaker 2: I think he.

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Speaker 4: Knows more about the throwing of a baseball or any

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Speaker 4: object than any person I've ever met. And he caught

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Speaker 4: Hank Aaron's seven hundred and fifteenth home run in the

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Speaker 4: bullpen in the left center field in Atlanta. And Jeff,

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Speaker 4: you know how you remember where you were for really

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Speaker 4: important things, usually tragic things. But I remember exactly where

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Speaker 4: I was when Hank Aaron and hit that home run.

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Speaker 4: I'm sitting in the rec room at Stoneham Road, Andy, Matt,

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Speaker 4: Mom and Dad.

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Speaker 2: It was so great and.

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Speaker 3: He did it.

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Speaker 4: He did it almost on command, and it was so cool,

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Speaker 4: which is so typical of Hank Aaron because he was

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Speaker 4: such a great player. Here's how revered Hank Aaron was

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Speaker 4: in his career twenty fourteen All Star Game. Aaron Boone

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Speaker 4: and I, now the manager of the Yankees, covered the

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Speaker 4: All Star Game for ESPN. He was my teammate for years.

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Speaker 4: So he gets off the elevator and we're at the

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Speaker 4: All Star Game and Booty, you know him, Jeb. He

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Speaker 4: can talk to anybody about anything. He grew up in

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Speaker 4: a major league ballpark. And he gets off the elevator

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Speaker 4: and he's got this shocked look on his face and

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Speaker 3: He goes like this, you know who was in the

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Speaker 3: elevator with me.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna believe it.

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Speaker 4: I said who? He said, Hank Aaron. I said, great,

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Speaker 4: what did you.

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Speaker 2: Say to him?

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Speaker 4: He goes, I was too afraid to speak.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't speak.

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Speaker 4: I said, my god, the first time in your life

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Speaker 4: you've been speechless.

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Speaker 2: How could that happen? And he went like this, Well,

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Speaker 2: it's Hank Aaron.

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Speaker 4: And that's how revered Hank Aaron was to Aaron Boone

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Speaker 4: and to so many others. And Craig Counsel, who is

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Speaker 4: now the manager of the Cubs, used to be the

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Speaker 4: manager of the Brewers. That's the team for which Hank

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Speaker 4: Aaron finished his career. And of course Craig Counsel is

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Speaker 4: a Milwaukee guy and he used to work for the

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Speaker 4: Brewers in another capacity before he became the manager. And

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Speaker 4: they had like a seminar up on stage, and Hank

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Speaker 4: Aaron was up on stage talking to people who were

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Speaker 4: on you know, the in the crowd. So they call

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Speaker 4: Hank Aaron calls Craig Council up to go up on

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Speaker 4: stage and be interviewed by Hank Aaron.

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Speaker 2: And Craig Counsel told.

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Speaker 3: Me later, he goes, no, I can't do this. I

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Speaker 2: That's Hank Aaron.

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Speaker 3: That's baseball royalty at its finest.

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Speaker 4: So he says, I get up there finally, and Hank

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Speaker 4: Aaron is interviewing me like how did a Milwaukee kid

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Speaker 4: end up in the major leagues? And Craig Counsel, who

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Speaker 4: is wicked smart Jeff and never is at a loss

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Speaker 4: for words, he said, I didn't even know what to say.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know what to do because I realized

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Speaker 4: I was being interviewed by Hank Aaron, which is so great,

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Speaker 4: it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: And Dad, you shared a very important memory you had

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Speaker 1: with Hank Aaron during our interview with Tom House. Plus

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Speaker 1: I want to point to one thing that really impacted

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Speaker 1: me that I want you to be listening for in

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Speaker 1: our interview, and that was not only the moment where

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Speaker 1: he ran from the bullpen in the outfield with the

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Speaker 1: ball to go give it to Hank Aaron breaking Baby

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Speaker 1: Bruce record, but his recollection of the hug shared between

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Speaker 1: Hank Aaron and his mother. Listen, We're a family show.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what this show is all about. Dad, It's

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Speaker 1: it's that's what we do here on this show is

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Speaker 1: the lovey family. And his exponent chills tears.

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Speaker 5: It was so powerful.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you were able to get Tom House

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Speaker 1: on this day and it landed on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: It's so perfect dat.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to give anything else away, but how

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Speaker 1: spectacular is that. I can't wait for people to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Should we dive in though to our takeaways? I don't

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Speaker 4: Yes, of course, So, Jeff I did a radio game

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Speaker 4: on Saturday from Minneapolis, the Astros and the Twins, and

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Speaker 4: I had the best time in the opener of that series.

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Speaker 4: Jose Altuve, one of the great hitters in the game today,

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Speaker 4: a future Hall of Famer struck out five times, who

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Speaker 4: went zero for five with five strikeouts, and first.

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Speaker 3: Time he's ever struck out five times in the game.

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Speaker 4: So I interviewed him before the Saturday game and I

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Speaker 3: I said, were you able to sleep at all.

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Speaker 2: After that game?

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Speaker 4: Because he's such a prideful little guy. So he said,

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Speaker 4: I woke up in the middle of the night and

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Speaker 4: he said, it took me fourteen years in the league

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Speaker 4: five times again. And the other beauty JEF is that

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Speaker 4: first off, Jose Altuvea is shorter than you. He's in

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Speaker 4: than a future Hall of Fame second basement. So the

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Speaker 4: best part of the game was he is facing Bailey

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Speaker 2: In the game.

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Speaker 4: So the first at bat of the game featured the

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Speaker 3: Because he's so big, his stride is so long.

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Speaker 4: And what Altuve always does he stands farther further up

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Speaker 4: in the box than any hitter. Most hitters, Jeff, you see,

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Speaker 4: second pitch of the game, Jose Altuve hit a home run.

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Speaker 4: So two pitches after he just struck out five times,

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Speaker 4: he said, all right, I gotta end this thing. I

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Speaker 2: It was just beautiful.

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Speaker 1: And we talk about this all the time, Dad, like,

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Speaker 1: when does Lebron James go, you know, one for fourteen

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Speaker 5: Game, Boom hit a home run. It's just it's just

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Speaker 2: Nextly he is next level.

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Speaker 4: I just hope people understand because I told you, Jeff

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Speaker 4: that Alex Bregman once told me that Jose Altuve is

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Speaker 4: the greatest athlete in the major leagues and that includes

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Speaker 4: not me. He said power for Powndi's the strongest guy

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Speaker 4: He can jump higher than anybody on our team. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: What a great athlete jose Al Tuvius. This was last

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Speaker 1: We'll have to play Mookie Betts and jose L Tuvey

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Speaker 5: So I'd love that Mickey.

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Speaker 2: Could play slot back in the NFL right now.

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Speaker 4: It would be a point guard for the Lakers if

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Speaker 2: We'll see, all right. So that day, Jeff, it was.

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Speaker 4: Thirty eight degrees in Minneapolis, and I'm always fascinated what

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Speaker 4: because there's a lot of standing around for a baseball player.

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Speaker 4: So Harrison Bader the Twins, a very funny guy and

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Speaker 3: So I said, I said, what do you do to

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Speaker 4: And he said, I'd take liniment before the game and

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Speaker 2: So two guys one day.

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Speaker 4: Told me the same thing, that that's what they would

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Speaker 1: Well, Dad, you are the coldest man I've ever met

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Speaker 1: in my entire life. In fact, when we were doing

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Speaker 1: I don't think the baby oil is going to It's

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Speaker 5: It's not going to work for us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a circulatory issue of some kind.

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Speaker 2: I'm always cold.

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Speaker 3: I'm not apologizing for it. That's just the way it is, Okay.

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Speaker 4: The big news of Monday, of course, was that vlad

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Speaker 4: Guerrero Junior signed a fourteen year, five hundred million dollar

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Speaker 4: deal with the Toronto Blue Jays. Okay, Jeff, he just

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Speaker 4: was something that had to be done by the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 4: Guerrero Junior, Like they didn't have a choice, and I

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Speaker 4: think they overpaid to get him. And there's you know,

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Speaker 4: there's no telling if he's gonna, you know, let his

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not. He cares and he tries.

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Speaker 4: He I mean, he really cares about winning and about

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Speaker 2: But you know, is he does.

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Speaker 4: He have a killer instinct and is he gonna really

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Speaker 4: down the road here fourteen years, I think it was

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Speaker 4: I think they have set their course that we've got

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Speaker 1: And you know, on Saturday, I'm actually going to see

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Speaker 4: Most of these pitching matchups are stretches. But I just

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Speaker 4: Jeff, I have never been so proud of you in

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Speaker 4: I've told you many times, don't grow up and be

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Speaker 3: So he relived that night at four Mile Run Park.

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Speaker 4: One of the biggest home runs in Major League history

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Speaker 4: was hit on this date, Hank Aaron's seven fifteenth. I

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Speaker 4: decided to look at each position on the field and

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Speaker 4: very subjectively, okay, come up with the greatest home run

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Speaker 4: ever hit by each position on the field. So my

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Speaker 4: catcher is Carlton Fisk Game six of the nineteen seventy

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Speaker 4: five World Series.

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Speaker 3: Where he was please stay fair that time.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm pretty safe with that one as far

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Speaker 4: as catchers go. But almost all of these are debatable,

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Speaker 4: including first base. So the first baseman I took was

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Speaker 4: Freddie Freeman, whose grand slam in Game one of the

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Speaker 4: World Series last year, a walk off grand slam, the

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Speaker 4: only walkoff grand slam in the history of the World Series,

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Speaker 4: completely turned that series. If the Yankees win Game one,

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Speaker 4: as they should have, they might have won that series instead,

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Speaker 4: Freddie Freeman hits a homer changes the entire arc of

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Speaker 4: the series. So that's my greatest one for a first baseman.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention it continued his home run streak of

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Speaker 1: consecutive World Series games with a home run.

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Speaker 5: So I mean it twofold. Of course, the walkoff is

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Speaker 5: the most important part but it.

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Speaker 1: Continued his personal streak of hitting a home run in

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Speaker 1: a World Series game right.

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Speaker 4: And then, of course the second baseman, no doubt, Bill

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Speaker 4: Mazerowski nineteen sixty World Series Game seven, hit a home

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Speaker 4: run in the ninth inning off for Ralph Terry to

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Speaker 4: give the Pirates a ten to nine victory over the Yankees.

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Speaker 4: The Yankees completely dominated, just blew out the Pirates in

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Speaker 4: three of those games, but the Pirates won four, including

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Speaker 4: Game seven with a home run by Bill Mazerowski. As

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Speaker 4: I've told you before, Jeff, Game seven, the Masarowski game

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Speaker 4: final score ten to nine. Zero strikeouts in that game.

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Speaker 4: In a World Series Game seven, our game sevens. These

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Speaker 4: days we have twenty strikeouts, if not more.

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Speaker 3: That just shows you how much things have changed.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Third baseman is David Freeze twenty eleven. He had a

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Speaker 4: walk off homer in Game six against the Rangers to

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Speaker 4: set up a Game seven.

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Speaker 3: Cardinals win Game seven, and they win the World Series.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's got to be the third baseman.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's a local hero, he's a local kid,

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Speaker 4: and he he hit the double or hit the ball

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Speaker 4: off the right field wall to help tie the game

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Speaker 4: in the ninth inning and then hit a walk off

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Speaker 4: home run in extra inning.

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Speaker 2: So he's my third baseman.

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Speaker 4: My shortstop is Bucky Dent, who of course hit the

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Speaker 4: famous home run in the playoff game wasn't a postseason game.

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Speaker 4: It was still a regular season game against the Red

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Speaker 4: Sox in nineteen seventy eight. Remember the Yankees were fourteen

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Speaker 4: games behind that season. Caught the Red Sox at the

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Speaker 4: end and then beat him, and Bucky Dent had a

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Speaker 4: three run homer off Mike Terrez in order to really

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Speaker 4: turn that game. It was a great game, one of

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Speaker 4: the greatest games I've ever seen. And Bucky later came

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Speaker 4: to play for the Texas Rangers when I covered them,

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Speaker 4: and he told me that whole story that he used

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Speaker 4: Mickey Rivers's bat to hit that home run.

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Speaker 2: He said, I've never used it before. Mickey said you

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Speaker 2: should use his bat.

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Speaker 4: So he had a home run using Mickey Rivers's bat

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Speaker 4: and poured Don Zimmer, the late one of my all

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Speaker 4: time heroes. He was the manager of the Red Sox

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Speaker 4: of course in nineteen seventy eight, and years later he

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Speaker 4: rented Bucky Dent's house in New Jersey. When Zim became

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Speaker 4: a coach for the Yankees. So he's renting the guy's

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Speaker 4: house who beat him in the seventy eight playoff with

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Speaker 4: a three run homer in the seventh Inny And Zim

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Speaker 4: told me, right above the master bedroom where Zim is

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Speaker 4: sleeping is a giant newspaper headline underglass that says socks dented.

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Speaker 2: And he said, that's.

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Speaker 4: What I had to go to sleep utter every night

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Speaker 4: at that at that guy's house. That's what happens when

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Speaker 4: baseball players rent each other's houses.

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Speaker 2: A lout of incredible.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, the outfielder, of course, Hank Aaron has to

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Speaker 4: be number one because he h at number seven fifteen. We'll

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Speaker 4: talk to Tom House about that in a minute. But

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Speaker 4: there were so many more. Bobby Thompson, of course, nineteen five,

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Speaker 4: fifty one three run homer beat Ralph Branka and the

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Speaker 4: Dodgers shot heard around the world.

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Speaker 3: The Giants win the pennant. Giants win the pennant.

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Speaker 2: That's one. Of course.

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Speaker 4: Roger Maris hit number sixty one on the last day

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Speaker 4: of the season to set the all time single season

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Speaker 4: home run record, passing.

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Speaker 2: The great Babe Ruth.

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Speaker 4: Of course, Hank Aaron passed him for career homers, but

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Speaker 4: that day in New York, Roger Maris passed him for

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Speaker 4: the most homers in a single season. And the last

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Speaker 4: one is Joe Carter nineteen ninety three hit a home run,

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Speaker 4: walk off homer in Game six off of Mitch Williams.

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Speaker 2: And I know I've.

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Speaker 3: Told you this story, Jeff, but I'm working for Sports Illustrated.

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Speaker 2: I am in the.

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Speaker 4: Auxiliary press box, and as soon as this ball and

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Speaker 4: this is beyond the left field fits, as soon as

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Speaker 4: the ball is hit.

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Speaker 3: I think, okay, the World Series is over.

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Speaker 2: This is a home run.

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Speaker 4: The second thing that I think is this ball is

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Speaker 4: going to hit me right in the middle of the

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Speaker 4: chest unless I move. The ball landed about three feet

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Speaker 4: in front of me. Otherwise it would have hit me

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Speaker 4: right in the middle of the chest, which would have

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Speaker 4: been the funniest thing. It would have killed me, but

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Speaker 4: it would have been amazing. So those are my three outfielders.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm going to test you a little here, Jeff.

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Speaker 4: We have to have a pinch hitter on our team,

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Speaker 4: even though it's not one of the actual positions. So

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Speaker 4: who hit I don't think there's an argument here. Who

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Speaker 4: hit the biggest pinch hit home run in baseball.

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Speaker 5: History, it has to be Kirk Gibson.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 4: Kirk Gibson was in a he was not going to

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Speaker 4: play that night, and Bob cost is one of the

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Speaker 4: great broadcasters ever, says on the air. He says, there's

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Speaker 4: no way that Kirk Gibson is going to play tonight.

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Speaker 4: You know that the injury he has, he can't even run.

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Speaker 2: There's no way he's going to play.

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Speaker 3: And Kirk Gibson was with Oral Hersheizer in a little

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Speaker 3: side room there and he got so angry.

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Speaker 4: Even though what Bob cost has said was absolutely accurate,

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Speaker 4: there was no chance he.

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Speaker 2: Was gonna play.

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Speaker 4: Kirk Gibson said, I'm gonna get in this game. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna get I'm gonna play in this game. Somehow,

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Speaker 4: I don't care. So Oral Herscheizer runs the message down

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Speaker 4: to Tomula Sorda that Gibby can give you in a

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Speaker 4: bat if you need it. And then, of course he

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Speaker 4: hit the home run off of Dennis Eckersley that completely

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Speaker 4: changed the series.

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Speaker 2: I was there, Jeff. The A's were a dominant team.

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Speaker 2: They were gonna win that game. They were gonna win.

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Speaker 4: The series, and the whole series flipped when Kirk Gibson

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Speaker 4: hit that famous homer off of.

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Speaker 2: Dennis Secresy and the final one.

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Speaker 4: Jeff and I had a real trouble with this, So

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna leave this up to our listeners. What pitcher

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Speaker 4: hit the biggest home run in Major League history? And

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Speaker 4: I did very little research on this. Now, some people

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Speaker 4: will tell you that Bartolo Cologne's home run a few

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Speaker 4: years ago, he had never hit a homer before Chunky

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Speaker 4: you know it, hits his home run in San Diego,

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Speaker 4: and Gary Cohen said it's one of the greatest home

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Speaker 4: runs of baseball history, which it was. But I still

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Speaker 4: have to have an importance to the game in order

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Speaker 4: to make.

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Speaker 2: It the biggest home run.

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Speaker 4: So I don't even know what the answer is, but

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Speaker 4: I'm going with Game seven of the sixty seven World

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Speaker 4: Series Cardinals and Red Sox. Bob Gibson, one of the

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Speaker 4: great postseason pitchers ever, pitched a complete game in Game

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Speaker 4: seven and hit a home run in the fifth inning

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Speaker 4: against Jim Lonborg, who was the cy young winner in

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Speaker 4: the American League that year.

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Speaker 2: So that's the best I can do. Anyone who's got

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Speaker 2: a better one. I'm more than happy to listen. Dad.

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Speaker 5: I just did a quick Reddit search.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know you don't know what reddit is, but

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Speaker 1: it's basically a forum where people can.

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Speaker 5: Talk about stuff just like this.

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Speaker 1: So I typed in, right, biggest home run by a

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Speaker 1: pitcher in history. Some guy just wrote this Atlanta nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty five, the fourth of July game Rick Camp.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Jeff, Look that's in the discussion for sure. Okay,

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Speaker 4: it's And remember, Jeff, that was the game that was

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Speaker 4: delayed and delayed and delayed, and they finally finished at

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Speaker 4: like four o'clock in the morning, eighteen inning game they

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Speaker 4: shot off the fire Wars four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: In the morning.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 4: And Rick Camp was a pitcher and not a very

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Speaker 4: good hitting pitcher, but he hit a home run to

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Speaker 4: tie that game. And we're going to have Ron Darling

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Speaker 4: and Keith R. Nanda's I hope on for our July

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Speaker 4: fourth episode this year, just to talk exclusively about that game.

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Speaker 4: That's how crazy that was. So yes, I considered Rick Camp.

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Speaker 4: I considered Bartolo Cologne. Some amazing things have happened from pitchers,

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Speaker 4: but given the importance of the World Series, you're pitching

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Speaker 4: game seven in and you hit a home run to

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Speaker 4: help you win the game.

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Speaker 2: That that's going to.

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Speaker 4: Be my choice, even though again there are many many others.

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Speaker 1: Let us know what position you think should be changed,

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Speaker 1: what pitcher you would want, greatest home run by a pitcher,

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Speaker 1: great game, or what dot com you can let us

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Speaker 1: know and debt you mentioned it, of course, Hank Aaron

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Speaker 1: hitting seven to fifteen on this day fifty one years ago,

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Speaker 1: and our guest Tom House was not only there, was

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Speaker 1: not only Hank Aaron's teammate. He was the one that

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Speaker 1: caught the ball seven hundred and fifteen home runs and

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Speaker 1: ran it into Hank Aaron, securing himself in history forever.

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Speaker 1: And he's our guest today. It's coming up next here

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Speaker 1: on Is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 4: And our guest is my dear friend, Tom House, former

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Speaker 4: major league pitcher, former pitching coach, a man who knows

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Speaker 4: more about throwing a baseball and all objects than any

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Speaker 4: person I've ever met, And the man who, fifty one

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Speaker 4: years ago tonight caught Hank Aaron's seven hundred and fifteenth

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Speaker 4: home run.

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Speaker 2: Tom. This is Jeff Kirk and say.

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Speaker 6: Lo Jeff nice meete you kiddo.

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Speaker 1: Tom, thank you so much for joining us. My dad

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Speaker 1: has been so excited when an on this.

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Speaker 5: Date in baseball meets up with a guest.

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Speaker 1: His baseball mind is exploding right now.

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Speaker 5: How special this interview is?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, awesome, but we're going to uncover some things that

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Speaker 6: have never been said to wait and see.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well Tom, before we get to Hank Aaron, I

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Speaker 4: just wanted to I find this interesting because your son,

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Speaker 4: Brian is like the greatest surfer. He's the greatest snowboarder

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Speaker 4: and the greatest skateboarder.

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Speaker 2: And my son, who's remarkably talented.

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Speaker 4: Is the worst adult swimmer I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 4: So you have a champion surfer and I have a

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Speaker 4: son who could barely get across the pool without falling down.

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00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 6: But we're all here talking about it. So the cool

666
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 6: thing is, as long as you find something that you're

667
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 6: passionate about a new word ignition. Ignition with passion means

668
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 6: that that's what he's going to do the rest of

669
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 6: his life, and so way, shape or form, And my

670
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 6: son is still doing that. He's sneaking up on forty

671
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 6: eight years old, and he was at one time he

672
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 6: was in the top one hundred. Like you said, surfer, snowboarder,

673
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 6: skateboard Now he designed skateboard shoots. He's never worked a

674
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 6: day in his life. He's been doing what he wants

675
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 6: to do, what he loves to do his whole career.

676
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: What was your reaction when he went on tour with

677
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: Tony Hawk?

678
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 5: Do I have that right?

679
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 4: Yeah?

680
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 6: I'm good for you. Yeah. The backstory on that he

681
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 6: and Ben Greeve work together all the time. When we

682
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 6: were in Texas together, Tim, he was little thunder and

683
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 6: Ben greeb was big Thunder. I truly believe my son

684
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 6: could have played in the Big Leaks. But he came

685
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 6: to me a senior year in high school and he said, Dad,

686
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 6: I love you, but I don't love baseball like you do.

687
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 6: I'm going to go on tour with Tony Hawk. I said, well,

688
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 6: who the hell is Tony Hawk boots? But it turns

689
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 6: out that he pounding around with one of the best

690
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 6: skateboarders in the history on and that was where his

691
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 6: passion lied. And I at the time I was crushed,

692
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 6: But as I look back, for him to have the

693
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 6: courage to come to me and say that he loved me,

694
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 6: but he loved what Tony Hawk did. More. That shows

695
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 6: me some character as an eighteen year old, which is.

696
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: Can you ride a skateboard?

697
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 6: I can, but not real good? And I knew something

698
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 6: was weirded about my son. When he was four years old,

699
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 6: we got him a bike with training wheels. He said,

700
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 6: I'm not getting on that until he take those wheels off.

701
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 6: Why don't you've never ridden a bike in your life.

702
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 6: I'm not okay, I said, you, little bike blake. I

703
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 6: took him off. He got on the bike and rode away,

704
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 6: And two weeks later he was standing on the handbars

705
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 6: coming down the hill by my house. So I knew

706
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 6: that he was some kind of adrenaline free and baseball

707
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 6: was just too came for him.

708
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 4: All right, Tom, let's pivot to fifty one years ago.

709
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: Tonight you have told me the story.

710
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 4: I can repeat it verbatim, but I'm not going to

711
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: do it because I want.

712
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: You to tell us.

713
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: Tell us about going into that night, the night that

714
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: we knew Hank Aaron had a chance to hit number

715
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: seven fifteen.

716
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: Take us from.

717
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: The moment you got to the ballpark, what the plan

718
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 4: was in case Hank went deep.

719
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 6: Okay, well, you know I was chasing it from the

720
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 6: previous year. It was a big decision whether he was

721
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 6: going to break the record in seventy three or whether

722
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 6: he would break it in seventy four. So leading into

723
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 6: the off season, we knew that he didn't break it

724
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 6: in seventy three and that we were opening up in Cincinnati,

725
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 6: and I think he hit a home run to off

726
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 6: a jack billing him. Anyway, do we keep playing and

727
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 6: hav ingim break the record in Cincinnati, or do we

728
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 6: get back and have it be a Monday night game

729
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 6: against the Dodgers. And Henry being Henry said, I'm gonna play,

730
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 6: and if I hit the home run in Cincinnati, it happens.

731
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 6: If I don't, we'll take it to Atlanta. So when

732
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 6: he didn't break the record in Cincinnati, the hype, which

733
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 6: was at fever pitch, you know, Atlanta at that time

734
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 6: was just looking for something to be excited about, and

735
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 6: this was it was it. This was an event that

736
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 6: everybody was anticipating, good and bad. There were you know, telegrams,

737
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 6: murder threats, all that kind of stuff. But as a teammate,

738
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 6: you know, I was at a low end bullpen guy,

739
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 6: and what we did out in the bullpen behind the

740
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 6: fence in the left field area, we drew straws for territories.

741
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 6: And a lot of people don't know this, but Henry

742
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 6: would take me a bucket of balls and we'd go

743
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 6: to Diamond sixth during spring training and I would throw

744
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 6: him sinkers and screwballs away because that was one pitch

745
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 6: he had trouble with a left handed pitcher, was that

746
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 6: riding fastball away in the screwball. And after doing that

747
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 6: for three or four years, I realized whenever there was

748
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 6: a mistake made away belt high, he usually hit it

749
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 6: to left center. So do the math on this. When

750
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 6: we drew straws and I had my choice of where

751
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 6: to be, I took left center, which was right under

752
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 6: the think of it as money signed advertising credit cards

753
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 6: from whatever bank. It was the only guy that was

754
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 6: further towards center field than me was Buzz Capra, and

755
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 6: that's because he had the least time of any of

756
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 6: the bullpen people. So it was Buzz myself, and then

757
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 6: all the way down to the guys that had been

758
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 6: around forever. Jack I'm drawing blank On's last name because

759
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 6: Henry pulled most of his home runs. So first AB,

760
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 6: nothing happened. The second AB, it turns out you're going

761
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 6: to have to throw the strike here because I believe

762
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 6: Dusty and Ralph were on base. So we got our

763
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 6: positions and I said, I know he's going to he's

764
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 6: going to hit this ball. And I think it was

765
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 6: on a two and one or a three on one count.

766
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 6: Bang here comes the ball. And I remember thinking that

767
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 6: ball is going to is coming to me, and it

768
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 6: wasn't an old crap. Can I catch it? What what

769
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 6: am I going to do with it? If I would

770
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 6: have stood still, it would have hit me right in

771
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 6: the forehead. So all the stuff that I had done

772
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 6: watching throwing VP against him, it was happening in real time.

773
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 6: And I remember catching the ball and a big fish

774
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 6: net right after that, some smart guy from Georgia check

775
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 6: had an extension from up on a fish net. And

776
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 6: that's when Butner was playing left field with the Dodgers

777
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 6: at that time, and Bill jumped to the top. He said,

778
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 6: give it to me, give me, give it to that

779
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 6: and I said, I'm not throwing anything to you, and

780
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 6: I just took off towards home. Well, if I would

781
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 6: have thrown it to him. He probably would have missed

782
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 6: that one like he did with the red sack. So

783
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 6: whenever I see him at whenever I get together, I'll

784
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 6: bring that. But anyway, Iran and I do not remember

785
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 6: how I got into home plate, but I kind of

786
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 6: broke through the crowd and came up and the picture

787
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 6: that is in the Hall of Famer. And by the way, Jeff,

788
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 6: that catch got me in the Hall of Fame, not

789
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 6: because I was a picture, but because I was part

790
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 6: of a guy that was a Hall of Famer. And

791
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 6: when I got right up front, the ball was right

792
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 6: in front of his mom's fate. He was hugging his

793
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 6: mom and they both had tears in their eyes, and

794
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 6: I got to thinking, boy, this is a lifesaver moment,

795
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 6: one of those things that a mom and a son,

796
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 6: you know, you can't take away from. I didn't realize

797
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 6: that she was hanging on to him to keep him

798
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 6: from getting shot. They had to peel hit her off

799
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 6: of him. When it came trying to break up from

800
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 6: that crowd. First of all, I held the ball up,

801
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 6: I said, here, it is hanging, and he took it

802
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 6: from me and said thanks kid, And I kind of

803
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 6: got pushed away, but when it was time to break

804
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 6: up and start getting back to playing ball, they had

805
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 6: to peel her off of him because she was not

806
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 6: going to let anybody shoot her son. That in retrospect,

807
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 6: but a lot of people don't know that. But how

808
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 6: how impactful is that not only for what he did,

809
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 6: but what about a parent and the love for their kid.

810
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 6: So there it was right there.

811
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: That was cool, Tom.

812
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: The hate mail, the racist remarks, I mean it.

813
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: Was awful, and you were you heard all this correct.

814
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 6: I did, and coming from California and not having the

815
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 6: same issues with race that a lot of people did,

816
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 6: it was hard for me to understand. You know, Dusty

817
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 6: Baker was my roommate in the minor leagues, Dusty was

818
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 6: my roommate done in the winter ball I didn't really

819
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 6: have the same issue, so it was strange to me.

820
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 6: But the thing that is amazing and retrospect is he

821
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 6: would never know what Henry was going through when he

822
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 6: came to the ballpark. He was mister regular, quietly, probably

823
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 6: the most quietly competent superstar I've ever seen in my life.

824
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 6: You didn't even know Henry was around until that moment

825
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 6: when he did something special, which was really really awful.

826
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 6: So and when I look back over those times, the

827
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 6: race itself, the fact that he had to check into

828
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 6: hotels under different names, He couldn't ride the bus with

829
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 6: the team. I had a full time bodyguard, Calvin. It

830
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 6: was a little bit difficult for me to comprehend. But

831
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 6: that was the beginning of the stuff you see in

832
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 6: today's world.

833
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: Boy, that is heartbreaking toep.

834
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 4: I know all about this time, but to hear from

835
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 4: somebody who was there is oh, my goodness, my goodness.

836
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 6: We had you know, last year, I went back because

837
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 6: it was the fiftieth anniversary and there were thirteen of

838
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 6: us from that that team in nineteen seventy four. And

839
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 6: the one thing that was consistent when we were telling

840
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 6: stories and talking through things was how patient of a

841
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 6: person Henry was, and how he was so quietly a step.

842
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 6: You wouldn't even know that Henry was on the bench

843
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 6: until he'd said, get me to the plate, guys, this

844
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 6: game is over, or he'll come. It was just to

845
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 6: watch him day in and day out, was something special.

846
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: On the highlight of my career, my entire career was

847
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: about seven years ago we did a game from the

848
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 4: booth in Atlanta, Dave Fleming, EDWARDO Perez, myself, and Hank

849
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: Aaron sat next to us for four innings. We got

850
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: an hour and a half sitting next to Hank Aaron

851
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: calling a game. I stopped keeping score, Tom, because I

852
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 4: didn't care about the game anymore. I was so mesmerized

853
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: sitting next to Hank Aaron. He was so funny, he

854
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 4: was so charming. His recall was unbelievable. And at the

855
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 4: end I looked at Twitter. Never a good idea, Tom,

856
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 4: to look at Twitter after you've called a major league game.

857
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 4: But some guy wrote in and he said, if anyone

858
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: ever looks at you the way that Tim Kirchen looked

859
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: at Hank Aaron tonight, you should marry that person. That's

860
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 4: how captivated I was with Hank Aaron.

861
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 6: But you get it, You've seen, you've been around the

862
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 6: game long enough. There's a difference between those superstars and

863
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 6: everybody else. And then amongst that group of superstars, there's

864
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 6: another level. And Henry was at that level. He was quiet,

865
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 6: he didn't say much, but when he did, you could

866
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 6: hang your hat on it. And I learned a lot

867
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 6: from Henry, a lot just by hanging out and watching

868
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 6: him and then because of Keshing, Henry Aaron Keshing his

869
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 6: home run. Henry Aaron and his bubble were always really

870
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 6: use your friends for me. I never called and asked

871
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 6: him for anything for myself, but when I could line

872
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 6: something up that Henry could shorten a trail with, he

873
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 6: never let me down with helping other people out. But

874
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 6: a lot of people don't know that because he was quiet.

875
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 6: Everybody thought he was, you know, kind of reserved and noncommittal.

876
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 6: He was quiet because if he didn't have something good

877
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 6: to say that you never said anything.

878
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: And Tom, you know that was fifty one years ago

879
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: and obviously a massive moment not only in your baseball

880
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: life but in your entire life. But you've made a

881
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: life surrounding the game that we all love you and body, is.

882
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 5: This a great game or what?

883
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: And that's why you're the perfect guest to join my

884
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: dad and I and your knowledge and love for pitching.

885
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: In fact, Nolan Ryan has spoken of your ability as

886
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: a pitching coach and a pitching brain.

887
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 5: You were throwing footballs in the outfield forty years ago.

888
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 5: Now we see that all the time.

889
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: But take us to your love of pitching and your

890
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: mindset behind the game in that way because this has

891
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: been your whole life.

892
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I firmly believe that it's hard to be a

893
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 6: superstar and a good coach. You could be an information resource,

894
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 6: but to be a grunt and grinded coach, someone that

895
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 6: gets enjoyment from it, not only with working with kids

896
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 6: but elite athletes, you have to be a student of

897
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 6: the game. One thing about being a marginal and I'm

898
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 6: not gonna lie I was marginal to harseship my whole career,

899
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 6: but consistently I think Don Zimmer said it best, said,

900
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 6: tell me House, you're marginally You're marginal to harship, but

901
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 6: you're predictably marginalt harship. So they knew if they pulled

902
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 6: me into X amount of games. So I had to

903
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 6: figure out because I was short on fiscal tools, I

904
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 6: had to be a little sharper, a little bit more

905
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 6: understanding between my ears, and I think that led me

906
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 6: to the why of the game. There's a whole lot

907
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 6: of people. Maybe later on and this get together Tim,

908
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 6: we can talk about how smart baseball it is right

909
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 6: now technology wise, but you still have to take that

910
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 6: really really good objective information and teach from it. I

911
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 6: think that's what I was best at, and it was

912
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 6: because I was mentored along the way, starting from the

913
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 6: San Diego School of Baseball with Roger Craig, with Bob

914
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 6: Kluck way back when when I had Little leaguers from

915
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 6: nineteen sixty eight to nineteen seventy one, they gave me

916
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 6: little leaguers to work with. That's still my favorite group.

917
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 6: Little leaguers, twelve year olds and under. They say it

918
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 6: like it is. If you can't teach them something, they

919
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 6: click you off, they ignore you if you can hear laughing.

920
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 6: But if you can entertain a group of twelve year olds,

921
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 6: you can teach any big leaguer anything. So being able

922
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 6: to do that early and finding out I really enjoyed

923
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 6: doing that wasn't like playing, but it was pretty close.

924
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 6: And then I had a mom and Kim, I'm sure

925
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 6: you've heard this, Jeff, I'm not sure you have. My

926
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 6: mom had a rule for my brother and myself if

927
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 6: we didn't get an A, we couldn't play sports. No A,

928
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 6: no play because she knew that the education was important,

929
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 6: and that's really all she cared about. She could not

930
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 6: understand anybody could play and make a living play In fact,

931
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 6: on her deathbed, she said, now, Thomas, when are you

932
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 6: going to find real work? So she never really understand

933
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 6: that you could make you could make a living being

934
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 6: a coach too, But that I think that avid learning

935
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 6: that challenged the why to go with the what. There

936
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 6: were lots of lots of coaches, lots of baseball people

937
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 6: even today, I can tell you what to do, but

938
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 6: they can't tell you why. If there's anything that myself

939
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 6: and the people that I work with do, we can

940
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 6: give you the why better than anybody in the world.

941
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: Let's go back to the footballs for just a second, Jeff,

942
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 4: I've never seen any baseball player throw a football until

943
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 4: Tom came to the Rangers as a pitching coach in

944
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty five. And again, I covered a game at

945
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 4: Yankee Stadium last Saturday, and virtually every pitcher on the

946
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 4: field was still throwing a football. Forty years later. Tom

947
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 4: might remember that. I asked Charlie Huff, hilarious pitcher for

948
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 4: the Rangers and the best pitcher on the Rangers.

949
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: I asked him during that eighty five season.

950
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: I said, Charlie, are the footballs helping and he goes.

951
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 4: I don't know, but we leave the league in third

952
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: down conversions, which that's how some people looked at it.

953
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: But Tom, they're still doing it.

954
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: They are using your method from forty years ago and

955
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 4: it still works today.

956
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: Explain that, please.

957
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 6: It's a cross. Now we know the vocabulary to go

958
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 6: with it. I knew back then that all my best

959
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 6: pitchers could make the ball spin. They can make it.

960
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 6: The guys that couldn't spiral the football were always they

961
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 6: couldn't recover on time, and they were usually stiff and

962
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 6: sword so we learned early on that throwing a football

963
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 6: actually helped their recovery. We also knew that the good

964
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 6: ones you can't throw football wrong and make it spiral.

965
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 6: So it was cross specific to the throwing of a baseball.

966
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 6: And now we know, because of the high speed video

967
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 6: that when you start to throw it's a breaking ball.

968
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 6: When the ball is just about ready to leave your hand,

969
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 6: it's a fastball. And as the ball leaves your hand,

970
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 6: your arm prominates like a changeup, or so with every

971
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 6: throw of the football, if you can make it spirally,

972
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 6: you know you're The timing of your mechanics and your

973
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 6: breaking ball, fastball change up are all equally efficient in

974
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 6: the throw so that it just reinforces. We didn't know

975
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 6: it at the time, and unfortunately, or fortunately the kids

976
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 6: started punting it. And you know, the Mitch Williams and

977
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 6: the Jeff Russells probably could have kicked in the NFL

978
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 6: by the time they finished with the Renger because they

979
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 6: were out there at three o'clock in the afternoon seeing

980
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 6: if they could kick it out of the stadium. So

981
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 6: that was one of the issues. But the football, even

982
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 6: if even today, is one of the best cross trains

983
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 6: that are out there. Paul Skins, you can throw a

984
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 6: football as good as any NFL quarterback and that were worked.

985
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: With and Tom, you've worked with a lot of NFL quarterbacks.

986
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: Tell us about that.

987
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 6: Well. The only difference between pitching and quarterbacking is quarterbacks

988
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 6: are on flat ground throwing a heavier ball with a

989
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 6: shortest trial. Everything else is the same. The timing, the

990
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 6: kinematic sequencing, mechanical variables, balanced and posture, all those things

991
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 6: we work on are exactly the same for a quarterback

992
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 6: as it is for a pitcher.

993
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about today's game

994
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: and ask you why now now do we feel like pitchers.

995
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: First of all, they're pitching for less time starters, especially obviously.

996
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 5: But why are pitchers always getting hurt? Tom I worry

997
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 5: about this.

998
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: I feel like all the big stars, half of them

999
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: are out for a season. It seems getting surgery all right.

1000
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 6: Well, at number one, they're not afraid of Tommy Johns anymore.

1001
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 6: It's like a knee surgery. It's also a way for

1002
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 6: an organization to have control of a pitcher for an

1003
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 6: extra two years. So there's all kinds of dynamics. But

1004
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 6: as long as you ask, and if I get boring,

1005
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 6: stop me. There's four things that keep an arm healthy.

1006
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 6: It's your workload, it's your pitch totals, it's your mechanical efficiency,

1007
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 6: it's your functional strength, and it's your ability to recover.

1008
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 6: If kids from literally actually prepare themselves properly, they can

1009
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 6: adapt to whatever you're asking out of one hundred miles

1010
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 6: in our fastball, but they don't. In today's world. Kids

1011
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 6: pitch too much, don't throw enough. That's an important thing.

1012
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 6: They don't throw enough. They are are geared toward the

1013
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 6: gun when a pitcher throws. Starting in little, they're looking

1014
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 6: at the gun for absolute velocity. Little realizing that you

1015
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 6: have to pitch even in the big leagues today with

1016
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 6: a hundred on our fastball, you do have to pitch

1017
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 6: a little bit, so, but the body will adjust to

1018
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 6: workloads if you train accordingly. Now I'm not going to

1019
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 6: go too deep, but when you train, there's three mouscle

1020
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 6: groups that accelerate the arm and two muscle groups that

1021
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 6: decelerate the arm. On the bottom half, there's four muscle

1022
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 6: groups that accelerate your legs and three muscle groups that

1023
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 6: decelerate your legs. We are designed to go forward on

1024
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 6: flat ground. We're designed to throw rocks at rabbits on

1025
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 6: flat ground. When you get to a mound, you have

1026
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 6: to go down a hill, and going down the hill

1027
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 6: actually helps the acceleration must but the deceleration muscles aren't

1028
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 6: asked to balance off. So if you look at the

1029
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 6: evaluation and all the information is out there right now,

1030
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 6: you're only as struggle as you're weaken's length, and you

1031
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 6: can only accelerate what you can decelerate. When people come

1032
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 6: to anybody that I'm responsible for, we work harder on

1033
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 6: the backside muscles, the decelerators in both upper body and

1034
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 6: lower body. Then we do the front side because you

1035
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 6: can't accelerate unless you can decelerate. If your brakes can't

1036
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 6: stop a two hundred mile an hour Ferrari, you're gonna

1037
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 6: have a wreck. The reason that kids get hurt on

1038
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 6: the mound they're not trained to adapt. Can I do

1039
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 6: a little sidebar please if you can remember. Nolan Ryan

1040
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 6: was probably the first first person that made me aware

1041
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 6: that long tops. He called it hit the hat drip.

1042
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 6: Long toss to him was as far as you could

1043
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 6: throw perfectly, and the only day you did in long

1044
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 6: choss was the day you were competing. So he would

1045
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 6: throw as much on a flat round at distance as

1046
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 6: he did on the mound of the baseball So that

1047
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 6: was one of the reasons he was so good for

1048
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 6: so long is he had balanced strength from the beginning

1049
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 6: to the end. And not only was he a great

1050
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 6: baseball player, he could stuff up basketball behind his head

1051
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 6: with either hand, so he played all sports. The fact

1052
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 6: that he didn't specialize, the fact that he played basketball,

1053
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 6: and the fact that he threw a lot in high

1054
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 6: school and an early pro career was the reason his

1055
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 6: arm set up to be able to throw as many

1056
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 6: pitches as he did. But there aren't too many people

1057
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 6: in the game today that could I'm going to tell

1058
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 6: a Bobby Valentine's story went out to take him out

1059
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 6: of the game, and Bobby said, that'll be at Chex

1060
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 6: and Nolah said, Noah won't. Bob, I was rooted this

1061
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 6: year now and it ain't going to be made. So

1062
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 6: he you know, unless he gave six plus innings, he

1063
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 6: was not going to come out of the game. So

1064
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 6: it's a mindset. Now you start getting third time through

1065
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 6: the order, and even the best starters are expecting to

1066
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 6: have a relief picture pick him up. So there's a

1067
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 6: lot going on, but it's going to take a commitment

1068
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 6: from everybody. Insurance companies that underwrite these million dollar contracts,

1069
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 6: front offices that allow for an individual to train to

1070
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 6: handle their workloads, and then making sure that when someone

1071
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 6: isn't recovering properly, all the money right now tim is

1072
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 6: being spent on recovery. Why do some people recover quicker

1073
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 6: than others? We would For example, we were doing thermographic

1074
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 6: imaging when you and I were in with the Rangers.

1075
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 6: We were looking at with the sky doctor John Glady,

1076
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 6: we were looking at how the arm recovered from various workloads,

1077
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 6: and so managing recovery with nutrition, sleep, you know, cold therapy,

1078
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 6: oxygen chambers, all that kind of stuff is a plus. Also,

1079
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 6: the pictures that can recover to handle their workloads every

1080
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 6: fifth day are the ones that don't get hurt.

1081
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: Nolan threw out the first ball at a game.

1082
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know the story when he was like

1083
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 4: sixty two years old. Typical Nolan. He got loose underneath

1084
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 4: the stadium. Oh, because there's no way that the greatest

1085
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 4: power pitcher of all time is going to go out there.

1086
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: And just lobb something to the plate.

1087
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 4: So he goes to the top of the rubber. He

1088
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 4: throws out the first ball. Jim Sunberg, I mean gold

1089
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 4: glove catcher like eight times is his catcher. And Nolan

1090
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 4: lets it go, and they had a gun on him,

1091
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 4: and he threw it like eighty five Melton.

1092
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah right, And Sonny, who.

1093
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 4: Was a great catcher, realized, oh no, he has to

1094
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 4: bend down to catch this pitch. And he split his

1095
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 4: pants right there on the field because and he said,

1096
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 4: I should have known better that text was gonna throw

1097
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 4: as hard as I can.

1098
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: That story doesn't surprise you at all.

1099
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 6: Agree true story. Yeah, I still think you know he's mighty.

1100
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 6: We were both seventy eight. I'm guarantee you could get

1101
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 6: up out of the mountain a good home plate and

1102
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 6: ight around eighty miles an hour. He threw hard, easy,

1103
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 6: He had very little stress on his arm because his

1104
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 6: legs and his tarsa were so strong.

1105
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 4: Tom, if he pitched today, would he be better?

1106
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: Not as good? Way? Better? Way worse? How would he

1107
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 2: pitch today?

1108
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 4: In recognizing that our hitters are up there with one

1109
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 4: thing in mind, he hit it as hard as they can,

1110
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 4: as far as they can.

1111
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: Would he be even better to Yes.

1112
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 6: He would because he had three pitches and he had

1113
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 6: command of him. Now, I didn't get commanded to change

1114
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 6: up until he joined the Rangers when we made a

1115
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 6: must throw pitch. But if there's a video out there,

1116
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 6: there's a documentary out there called Fastball where they actually

1117
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 6: talk about the how they who were the hardest throwers

1118
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 6: in the history of That may or may not be

1119
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 6: the right time, but they have him in Angel Stadium

1120
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 6: and they finally got capture of one of these fastballs

1121
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 6: on pitch number one hundred and four, and it was

1122
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 6: one hundred and eight miles an hour on their gun.

1123
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 6: All right, So if that translated into today's technology where

1124
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 6: it's really true technology. He's a guy that would probably

1125
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 6: sit one hundred and four hundred and five and show

1126
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 6: one hundred and eight and he could give it to

1127
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 6: you all day long.

1128
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, think about that for a second.

1129
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 4: This was twenty five years ago, thirty forty years ago.

1130
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,479
Speaker 3: He was throwing one hundred and four miles an hour.

1131
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 6: Jeff, we know the human arm can go one hundred

1132
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 6: and eighteen miles an hour. I've actually had fifteen or

1133
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 6: twenty kids with a two ounce ball throw it one

1134
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 6: hundred and eighteen miles an hour. We know the arm

1135
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 6: can go that fast. Can't go that fast with a

1136
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 6: five ounce for any number of pitches. We don't know yet.

1137
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 6: But the most amazing thing to me is the hitters

1138
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 6: are adjusting two one hundred US an hour fastball. When

1139
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 6: I first got to the big leagues, they didn't have guns.

1140
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 6: When guns came to Atlanta, Paul Castanova threw the ball

1141
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 6: back to me from it as a catcher out of

1142
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 6: than I threw it to him. So I asked you,

1143
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 6: I tell you guys, I said, don't put my bemo

1144
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 6: up on the board because Casanova throws it back faster.

1145
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 6: I don't want the world to know that. The bottom

1146
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 6: line is, think about this. Tim You know you hit.

1147
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 6: I know you were a contact hitter when you play.

1148
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 6: There's no way if you just time a regular swing,

1149
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 6: a regular big league swing, and you put the timing together,

1150
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 6: there's no way a kid should be able to catch

1151
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 6: up with a hundred mile an hour fastball. But what

1152
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 6: are they doing. They actually have figured out a way.

1153
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 6: So I believe that for that reason, baseball is unique.

1154
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 6: The hitter pitcher interface doesn't exist anywhere else, and it's

1155
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 6: hard for a non technician to understand that ballet, that

1156
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 6: orchestration that's happening. But think about this, Not only are

1157
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 6: pitchers tim The average velocity when I got to the

1158
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 6: big leagues of a major league pitcher was right at

1159
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 6: eighty six and a half miles an hour. Now the

1160
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 6: average velocity in the big leagues is ninety two and

1161
01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 6: a half. Think about that. So eventually, I can't see

1162
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 6: how the human arm can handle more than one hundred

1163
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 6: and eighteen. But I'm not going to discount of it

1164
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 6: may happen.

1165
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 4: I'm told all the time, and I'm not disputing it

1166
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 4: that the stuff we see in the big leagues. We've

1167
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 4: never seen anything quite like it. Velocity like this, guys

1168
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 4: that can spin it like this, sliders.

1169
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 2: Change ups everything, It's unbelieved.

1170
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 4: Do you agree that this is the period of the

1171
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 4: greatest stuff that we've ever seen.

1172
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, I was pretty proud of my generation.

1173
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 6: I thought we were very skilled as a professional pitchers

1174
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 6: quote quote. But the talent that is run out on

1175
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 6: mounds today, there's four or five guys on every staff

1176
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 6: that can throw one hundred miles out. And because we

1177
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 6: can actually monitor spin rate and how it comes off

1178
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 6: a middle finger, the mechanics haven't changed him. The things

1179
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 6: that we were figuring out with three dimensional emotion analysis

1180
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 6: in the eighties, those rules still hold up. But what

1181
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 6: to do with those rules and how to make an

1182
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 6: arm go faster and a spin rate increase because they

1183
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 6: can actually you know, they fill a release point and

1184
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 6: they can look at grip and they can ideally say

1185
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 6: you need to have this position with your wrists and

1186
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 6: your forearm to make the fingers your mental finger do

1187
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 6: this on the scene and the ball has to be

1188
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 6: this access in your hand. Well, we had to do

1189
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 6: it just by guessing. By golle I figured out how

1190
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 6: to make my pitch move a little bit more with

1191
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 6: the grip and the little sandpaper or clan the scene.

1192
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 6: These guys know. These guys know how to do it

1193
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 6: by just their how their hand configures on the ball,

1194
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 6: and that's basically technology telling them what to do. Jeff.

1195
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 4: When I was twenty six years old, I asked Tom

1196
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 4: House to show me how to scuff of baseball, and

1197
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 4: he did. Then I asked him to put some moisture

1198
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 4: on it and show me how, if you want to,

1199
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 4: you can throw a spitball. Then I asked them to

1200
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 4: put some sandpaper and show me what that does. So

1201
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 4: I'm not I mean, this is what pictures of your

1202
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 4: era New time when they got a scuffed baseball, they

1203
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 4: were thrilled. Now we see a guy throw a scuffed

1204
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 4: baseball out of the game.

1205
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: Am I right about this?

1206
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 6: No, you're exactly right. And people don't realize it takes

1207
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 6: takes more talent to know how to cheat a little bit,

1208
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 6: and it does to actually not cheat. So you guys

1209
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 6: are laughing, and they left guys like me alone. If

1210
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 6: like if Nolan or when the heart throws from his generation,

1211
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 6: we're loading the ball up or cheating they'd be run

1212
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 6: out of the game. But when you needed to survive

1213
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 6: like I did, as long as you didn't abuse it,

1214
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 6: they left you alone. Because the umpires in those generations

1215
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 6: they realize how difficult it is to master a pitch.

1216
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 6: It has a little fuzz out it or whatever. It's

1217
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 6: drag crisis. Got put the stuff the opposite way you

1218
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 6: want the ball to go when you've got dirt in

1219
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 6: your scene, like will happen in the best statement in

1220
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 6: the world for Clan a Seme was Dodger State, and

1221
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 6: they still have the best mounds out there. You put

1222
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 6: a little clan a seam and you put it underneath

1223
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 6: the middle finger to throw a breakall break the ball.

1224
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 6: It's like one of those golf balls that have a

1225
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 6: weight in it. It flops. That's exactly what happens out

1226
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 6: of your hand. So we didn't understand the laws of

1227
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 6: physics like I do now, but we knew that if

1228
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 6: you did this, then this was going to be a result,

1229
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 6: and mastering that pitch was just as difficult as mastering

1230
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 6: a sinker, a cut or a slider. In today's game,

1231
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 6: they're manipulating that high arm speed at release. They're basically

1232
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 6: twisting their wrist to put more in effect drag crisis

1233
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 6: on the ball out of their hand, specific to their delivery,

1234
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 6: their arm spot, and where the baseball goes with critical mass.

1235
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 6: It's a gift and the kids that they are managing

1236
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 6: these new pitches, they call them the sweeper or the cutter,

1237
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 6: or whatever the shape they want to call it. They're

1238
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 6: actually learning how to do that by watching what the

1239
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 6: finger does on the ball at release point, and the

1240
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 6: technology that's out there today can actually show that's fascinating.

1241
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: It's so fascinating that this game has been around for

1242
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: so long and how much it can change, but at

1243
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: the same time, how much can stay the same in

1244
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: such a beautiful way.

1245
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 5: And that's what makes this game.

1246
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 6: So here's the carryover. You and your dad can go

1247
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 6: to a game and watch it through the same eyes,

1248
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 6: and for different reasons, walk away from that game with

1249
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,479
Speaker 6: the same feeling. The statistics of the game, I think

1250
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 6: are what makes the carryover work. And I can remember

1251
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 6: Satchel Page. Can I do a little sidebar story here though,

1252
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 6: of course I got to pitch with Satul Page his

1253
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 6: last six weeks in professional baseball was sixty two years old.

1254
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 6: There's a backstory here. Sasha needed forty two days to

1255
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 6: qualify for major league pension. I don't know if you realize.

1256
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 6: As a rookie with Cleveland, he got to the big

1257
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 6: leagues at forty two years old and got three years

1258
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 6: and whatever amount of days. But forty two days shorts

1259
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 6: four years to qualify for the pension. So the Braves

1260
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 6: were scuffling for attendance, and they told Sascha, look, we'll

1261
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 6: send you to Richmond, Virginia, their Triple A team for

1262
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks, a couple of weeks before we

1263
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 6: come through, the play an exhibition game, and if you

1264
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 6: show you can throw strikes and get somebody out, we'll

1265
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 6: bring you back to Atlanta with us, and we'll put

1266
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 6: you up when the roster's expanded in September, we'll put

1267
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 6: you on the roster. You get your time in and

1268
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 6: goodle pitchion for the big league kid. Well, I got

1269
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 6: to sit right next to Satchel Page and watch his act.

1270
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 6: We covered the plate up and put a gun wrapper down,

1271
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 6: and he'd throw over the gun wrapper and the catcher

1272
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 6: never had the movie's glove. I mean, it sounds like

1273
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 6: a town of stories, but he was as accurate as

1274
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 6: Greg Maddox and putting on a show. And after every

1275
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 6: pitch he would throw and go, what do you think

1276
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 6: every pitcher on the Richmond staff was doing after him

1277
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 6: throw just like he did, copying him so to speed,

1278
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 6: to speed the story up, he starts the game against Atlanta.

1279
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 6: First hitter in Atlanta's Ralph car hits the line drive

1280
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 6: off of Satchell's left knee and bounced in the dugout

1281
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 6: on a fly Saschell got himself up, dust himself up,

1282
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 6: walk from the mountain to the dugout, dug out to

1283
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 6: the clubhouse, clubhouse to his pink Cadillac, and drove off.

1284
01:08:51,800 --> 01:09:02,879
Speaker 4: Any tom he had command at sixty two is what you're.

1285
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 3: Saying, Yes, elite command.

1286
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 6: I swear I'm not exaggerating this right now. I honestly

1287
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 6: believe that some of these guys. I think Greg Mannix

1288
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 6: would have been able to throw just as good at

1289
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 6: sixty as he good at forty or thirty five. Because

1290
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 6: we kind of proved it with Tom Brady and Drew Brees.

1291
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,879
Speaker 6: We actually proved it with Jamie Moyer. We can create

1292
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 6: a body with the technology and the smart sit are

1293
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 6: out there with science, there's no reason at all that

1294
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 6: someone at age forty five can't do what he did

1295
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 6: at twenty five if he's willing to pay the price,

1296
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 6: and the price is a commitment to what Brady does

1297
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 6: nutrition sleep the whole nine yards. There's no reason that

1298
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 6: they couldn't come close to competing. Now, covering first base,

1299
01:09:54,840 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 6: what Charlie, Charlie threw when he was at least forty seven, forty.

1300
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 4: Eight, we have forty seven Charlie Pitchill he was forty seven, Yeah.

1301
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 6: And White Wilhelm was till he was fifty one, I think, yeah. So,

1302
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 6: but it's not been able to throw strikes, it's been

1303
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 6: able to protect yourself with the line drive back of

1304
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Speaker 6: your body. So that's what the that's what they go

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01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 6: home for. It's nothing they can't pitch, it's they can't

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01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 6: protect themselves with plate or field their position.

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Speaker 4: All right, Tom, the new story, and we're going to

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01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 4: leave you alone here in a minute. The biggest story

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01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 4: of the baseball season so far has been.

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Speaker 3: The torpedo bat. And you sent me a little.

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Speaker 4: Video of tell me what you said, tell everyone what

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Speaker 4: you sent me about the torpedo bat.

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Speaker 6: Well, this is a little patent back to the really

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01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 6: smart people I was working with in the eighties when

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01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 6: we moved the Texas Rangers, and the fact that Bobby

1316
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 6: Valentine and Tom Greeve allowed me to go out and

1317
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 6: find these crazies that we're doing. So so Jack McKay

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01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 6: was the research guy for Luigo's Slugger, and he had

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01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 6: a laboratory in Mount Pleasant, Texas, about forty five minutes

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Speaker 6: outside of the Dallas Fort Worth metropos, and we would

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Speaker 6: go out and we would just experiment with stuff, knob loading,

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01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 6: moving the critical mass of the bat, center of gravity,

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Speaker 6: what bat works better, it cupped, whatever whatever it might be.

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Speaker 6: And at that time, Tom Green was a general manager

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01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 6: of the Rangers and his son eventually became the first

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Speaker 6: first round draft choice for the Open A's and Jack

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01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 6: would make bats based on their swing to fit their profile.

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Speaker 6: And he actually made a torpedo bat. Didn't even know

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01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 6: what it was, but he made a torpedo back because

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Speaker 6: he looked at where most of Ben's contact was and

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Speaker 6: that's where he put the critical mass of the bat

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Speaker 6: so it wasn't wasted up towards the top or surely

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Speaker 6: now and Ben had a pretty good career. I think

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01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 6: he played in the big leagues for eight or nine years,

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Speaker 6: and so you saw he still had one of the

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Speaker 6: baths and it's a torpedo bat. And these really smart

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Speaker 6: kids in the technology and right now out of the

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Speaker 6: Ivy League schools and these motion labs that are real,

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01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 6: they're just kind of rebuilding a wheel. We just didn't

1340
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 6: know how to market it properly. It was an individual thing. Basically,

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Speaker 6: if he had a Louisville slugger, Jack would create a

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01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 6: b to fit your school. That's personally adapt yourself. That's

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01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 6: kind of what we do with the mound and hitting. Now.

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Speaker 5: Wow, Jeff, it's unbelio bat.

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01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,919
Speaker 4: Twenty five years ago we all thought it was invented.

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Speaker 5: This week.

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01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, basically because of social media, it is invented this week.

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01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,879
Speaker 6: But even with the data that we've created, I've got

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Speaker 6: about twelve hundred major league pictures in the computer at

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01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 6: a thousand friends a second, and we're not really learning

1351
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 6: a whole lot knew about the delivery. We're learning more

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01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 6: and more about how to teach from that delivery.

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Speaker 1: Tom, I have to ask you, and this will be

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Speaker 1: my last question for you, about having one of my

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01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: favorite actors of all time, Bill Paxton play you in

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01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: the movie Million Dollar Arm which, by the.

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Speaker 5: Way, loved the movie.

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01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: How cool was that kind of having a flash of

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01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:28,759
Speaker 1: Hollywood in your life?

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01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 6: Well, it was really easy because off camera with your dad,

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01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 6: I was saying Bill Patson was a consumant professional. He

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01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 6: followed me around for three and a half four weeks

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01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 6: just to pick up mannerisms and vocabulary. And it is

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01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 6: kind of funny, but my wife says, Bill Patson does

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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 6: a better Tom House than Tom housekill. So that was

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01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 6: the lead in there. But that movie is it actually

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01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 6: played like it happened. They did a really good job.

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01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 6: Two kids from India that won a reality show over

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01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 6: there won the right to come and spend the summer

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01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 6: with me to see if we could get them to

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Speaker 6: throw it hard enough and consistent enough to sign with

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01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 6: a major rog team. So both the kids were with

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01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 6: me that whole summer and at the end of the

1374
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:21,879
Speaker 6: summer they signed with the Pittsburgh Pirates. Rinku, the left hander,

1375
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 6: actually pitched until ride into Triple A Ball. After I

1376
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 6: think six years, he retired. D Nash went home after

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01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 6: three to Mumbai and when it is a pitching coach there,

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 6: he's the best pitsion coach in India. At this time,

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01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 6: he's the only pitching coach in India. But we still

1380
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 6: have a reach when it comes to baseball in India.

1381
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 6: And that whole premise. These kids couldn't play catch the

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01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 6: first day. They thought that the glove you put in there,

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01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 6: you put the glove on your throwing hand and keep

1384
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 6: it warm. So they went from that to be able

1385
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 6: to They signed with Piss later that summer, and all

1386
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 6: the pigs and valleys and everything they did that summer

1387
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 6: they came across in the movie. They did a great job.

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01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 6: Disney did a really good job in that movie.

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Speaker 2: This has been delightful.

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01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 4: We could keep you for hours and hours, but I

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01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 4: have to go ride my skateboard now, so I have

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 4: to go leave for a minute.

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01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: Jeff, this is like forty.

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01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 4: Years ago when I met Tom House for the first time.

1395
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 4: I didn't understand half of the words he said because

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 4: his intelligence level was a thousand times above mine.

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Speaker 1: Tom, you have been so informative, so fascinating, from the

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01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: times with Hank Aaron to now the technicalities of this game,

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Speaker 1: starting all the way from twelve year old kids.

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Speaker 5: I was a little league umpire for many many years.

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01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: I love youth baseball, and I just I thoroughly enjoyed

1402
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: chatting with you.

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01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you for your time.

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01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 6: My pleasure. Let's not wait five years to do it

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01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 6: like this again.

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01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 3: Is that a polis from I's a promise, top.

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01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 2: Thanks so much.

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01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: What a fantastic interview with Tom House everything from torpedo

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01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: bats to pitcher injuries to Satchel Page and of course

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01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,839
Speaker 1: Hank Aaron. Just an incredible interview. I had a blast

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01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: chatting with him. Dad, Thank you for putting that together.

1412
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: That was fantastic.

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01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was great, So Jeff. Last story on Hank Aaron.

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01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 4: He plays an old timers game in Texas, like you know,

1415
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 4: thirty years ago or so, and I was there. So

1416
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 4: he's being interviewed on the field by some radio guy

1417
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 4: and the radio guy says, uh, okay, Hank, tell us

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01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 4: all about that famous seven hundred and fifty fifth home

1419
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 4: run that you hit. So, Hank, who's the nicest man

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 4: in the world. Seven fifty five was the last old

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01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 4: ruddy hit. So Hank looks at the guy and Hank

1422
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 4: is such a charming nice man. He goes, well, most

1423
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 4: people want to ask me about seven hundred and fifteen,

1424
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 4: but if you want to talk around seven fifty five,

1425
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 4: I'd be happy to talk that. So he detailed everything

1426
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 4: about the final home run of his major league career.

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01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 4: What I'm sure the radio guy meant to say seven fifteen.

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01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 5: Just got a little bit nervous when talking to Hank.

1429
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 4: Are who wouldn't even Aaron Boone got nervous talking.

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01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: To Hank Aaron Friday, brand new episode for you. We're

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01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: gonna be in person together all weekend and then a

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01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: very special in person guest for next Tuesday. And I'll

1433
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: just say he's a big baseball fan, but he also

1434
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: loves basketball all whole lot and made his entire life

1435
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: and career surrounding college basketball. Cannot wait to bring this

1436
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: guest in person next week. Dad will chat more on Friday,

1437
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: And for everybody listening, thank you for being a part

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01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: of our family.