WEBVTT - D’backs SP Michael Soroka on FT 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.280 Great to have you on man, really appreciate the time, 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.040 love watching you pitch so far this year. We've enjoyed 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.400 our combos in the past, so I want to get 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.239 right into it with you. There was a quote you 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.800 had the other day about the impact that Diamondbacks are 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:26.360 making for you, and I feel like one of the 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.280 top questions fans always want to know is like what 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.280 makes this organization unique? And I felt like you really 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:32.760 gave us something there. So I'm going to have you 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.720 kind of rehash that if you can, because it has 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:36.680 a lot to do with what we're seeing from this year. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:37.800 So let's get into it. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:38.400 What are they doing? 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.680 Yeah, I appreciate you guys having me again. It's it's 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:46.000 always a pleasure. The Diamondbacks right out of the gate 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.280 last year and in free agency were kind of along 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.159 the same plan that I already had moving forward the 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.200 Cubs and you know, tyler' zombro. It kind of giving 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.480 me a pretty good roadmap to work on things in 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.920 the offseason, and the Backs were very interested in continuing that. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.440 So I mean, really it was it was the ability 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.640 to add a couple more pitches and and give hitters 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:08.280 a different look. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.000 You know, we all like to throw hard. We all 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:11.960 want to throw hard. 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.560 But my gift typically being being able to spin the baseball. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.640 Having to add a couple more in that direction made 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.760 a big difference, and you know, really just learn how 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.760 to use all that stuff. So Jeremy, Blisch and Kaplan 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:30.840 and Owen do all our entire pitching staff has really 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.400 just been great at kind of honing in on what 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:38.520 we wanted to do initially in spring training and then 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.440 kind of building on that. So that's it's been a 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:42.240 good process so far. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.280 All right, being able to spin the ball, can you 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.880 elaborate a little bit more? And I think I have 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.280 a follow up that you were playing during the era 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.320 where my follow up might actually happen, but spinning the ball, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.000 can you talk about that and what that means for 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.920 you in the process to be able to spin it differently, 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:01.960 you talked about that a little bit and a little 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:02.520 bit better. 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.000 Yeah, you know, I think again, we all find our 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.680 talents in this game. We find what we're strong at. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.079 And for some reason, I've always just had a feel 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:20.120 to be able to make the ball move, not really 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.840 mattering what direction is, but typically move left for me. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:28.200 So obviously being superinated helps with that, you know, being 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.239 able to kind of shape a curve ball in a 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:34.000 multiple different directions and spin it quicker, I think has 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.120 been big. I know there's there's a lot of people 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.960 that look at spin rates and think maybe they don't 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.359 add a whole ton it matters, you know, axis and 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.720 spin efficiency and all that kind of stuff. We're kind 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:47.360 of getting into the into the weeds a little bit, 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:50.079 but really, I mean, you know, when you catch a 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.799 guy that's able to spin it, because everything's just a 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.720 little bit tighter, everything just breaks a little later. And 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.040 really it was just leaning into that that gift. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.799 Right, how much easier would it have been and would 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:03.799 it have sped up your process if you guys could 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.720 still use spider tech for people who don't know, Spider 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.120 Tack got banned and now you're talking about like really 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.200 being able to spin it and you can naturally do it. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:14.960 If that was still in the game, would it have 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.960 increased this like maturation of the way you spin the ball, 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.840 or would it have maybe inhibited it because of the 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.480 fact that some guys feel like he gave them some 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:26.880 injury risk too. 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.919 Yeah, I honestly so, I missed that whole I missed 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.560 that whole thing. I got hurt in twenty Obviously, you 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.440 know people have tried stick your stuff in the past, 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.960 but I missed the whole spider tack stuff. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:42.080 I've never I've never touched it. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.200 I've I've heard, you know, guys that experimented with the 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.160 off seasons and whatnot. But I know it definitely added 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.600 a whole bunch of RPMs, definitely made some some things 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.920 a little sharper. But yeah, I would say, you know, 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.400 not having to grip the ball as tight definitely is 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.280 a key to be able to spin the base in 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.080 my opinion. I know, somebody like Nolan McLain says he grips, 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:09.360 grips everything he's got on the baseball, and and you know, 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.880 that's how he spins it. And he's probably the best 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:13.920 spinner of the baseball in our game at this point. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.440 But for me, it's always been about just being loose 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:22.599 and whippy with it. And again just learning exactly how 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.479 that works best for me has been has been big 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.280 over the last really year and a half. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.080 You talk about like a loosening grip. The guy I 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.279 think of Pedro Martinez with his circle change, it felt 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.719 like it would just sit kind of on top of 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.000 his you know, the fingertips a little bit. Is that 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:42.800 kind of how you throw that? Are you trying to 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.599 grip that change up really tight so you can get 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.760 you know, even more bite to it. Is that part 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:48.600 of your repertoire. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.279 Yeah, No, I got to be super loose with that 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.440 one too. As soon as I was tightened up with 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.839 that one, I throw it. You know, it's a long dart. 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.360 I throw it straight into the ground, you know. And 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.080 that's where, again, the shape doesn't necessarily matter as much 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.039 if I can stay loose with it and turn that 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:04.880 corner with the wrist. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:06.080 I think that's the biggest thing. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.599 Is I get to the front of the baseball and 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.160 it doesn't really matter if it's moving more left or 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:13.680 north to south, or I throw through it a little bit. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.680 The hitter still sees that whip and still sees fastball 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.520 in my opinion, and they just don't pick up that 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.719 late break. So again, it's just it's learning all these things. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.480 And to be able to do that has been nice. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.440 To be able to stay healthy the last couple of 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.080 years and just keep throwing and just keep getting better 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:33.880 at those things. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.440 I love that. It's like it seems like you're learning 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:42.400 more about yourself. Fewer home runs, fewer walks, and for you, 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.120 you don't have to divulge because you kind of hit 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.200 most of it. But is it to the fact that 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.440 you're having more movement on every single one of your 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.200 pitches or is there something else to it? 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:52.520 Yeah, I think a little bit. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.440 I think a lot of it goes into count leverage too, 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.400 And obviously if you have better stuff that you can 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.159 throw over the plate, it's easier to make sure that 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:04.279 you're not, you know, getting in those cripple counts. That 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.599 was a big thing that we were chasing swing and 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.719 miss early in counts and getting a swing and miss 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.680 one one oh, and then all of a sudden, you've 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.480 thrown the guy five six pitches and he's got a 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.360 good chance to do some damage because he's he's now 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.479 seen everything. So that was part of adding a couples 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.760 to give guys a different look. But really it's it's 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:28.120 just been, you know, getting better at the things that 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.520 are simple, Like I said, count leverage, getting ahead, staying ahead, 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.120 keeping hitters guessing, and our rotation in general has put 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.080 a lot of importance on that and our pitching staff 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.040 has drilled that into us for sure. 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.880 I quit playing in twenty twenty. Twenty nineteen was your 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.880 coming out party and it was Sorocus sinker. Now it's 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.120 one of your least used pitches. So when I asked 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.840 this question, I'm asking it from the fact that when 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.880 I saw you pitch in the big leagues, like when 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.040 I was had a uniform and it was like, okay, 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:06.159 all sinkers. Now your you've completely changed your repertoire through 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.880 injuries all that stuff. For everybody doesn't know and you 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.520 seem like you watch and look at other people's pitches. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:14.680 Is that correct? 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:16.320 Yeah? 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.560 Absolutely, everybody that goes out there, if we've got stuff, 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.920 I want to I want to know not only what 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:26.120 it's doing on the board, on the track man per se, 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.200 but I want to know what hitters are seeing too. 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.000 So actually I'll hit inside and watch guys hit off 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.040 traject if I can, just to give it get a 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.280 slight idea. I think the perceived action is even more 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.560 important than what's kind of going out on the numbers. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:41.400 If that makes sense. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.119 Yes, So then that brings my next question. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:49.560 Take your foremost used pitches right now, and who in 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.200 the game would you say, Okay, I want my four 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.520 steamer to look like that because that is my favorite 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:59.280 four seamer. I want my slurve to I want my 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.640 sweeper to look like that, My cutter will look like this. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.520 Name your favorite pitches to look at that. You're like, wow, 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.560 I'd love to see his edgatronic grip or even if 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.000 it's like somebody that's not playing right now, You're like, 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.320 I would love to have seen how this guy through it. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.600 Yeah, I mean, honestly, for as far as fastball, and 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.760 I think it's it's kind of coming out and people 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.360 are starting to see a little more. Is Ryan Nelson's 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.080 fastball every time he takes the mound. I mean, it's 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.360 it's a fastball that he can kind of just keep throwing. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:36.320 It's pretty incredible. It's it's a super higher rise, upper 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.720 nineties heater. That one gets fun every single time. And 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.240 it's again it's it's one where hitters will swing and 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.000 miss at multiple times, which is such a rare thing 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:50.679 in baseball nowadays. Obviously, you know, talk about pure cutter again, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.880 you talk about perceived action. I still think there's nobody 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.920 better than Rivera. You made a career off locating that one. Pitch, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.240 and you know, be interesting to see the data on 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.920 that one too, because I'm not sure it would necessarily 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.280 wow people metrically. I think it's just a pitch that 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.800 hitters just didn't see what was about to happen with 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:17.679 that pitch. So I think that's an interesting part to 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.760 our game that I think we're not quite completely understanding of. 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.120 You know, we talked about angles again, the Cubs were 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:27.320 kind of one of the one of the teams to 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.640 bring that to me, is was perceived movement based on angles. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:38.040 So you got those ones. And then for breaking balls, yeah, 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.120 I don't know. I like to see the outliers. We 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.360 just saw Roup in San Francisco. It's an outlier breaking ball. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.840 It's it's another breaking ball that moves in both directions. 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:49.120 You know. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:50.920 Obviously watching Nolan McLain. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.880 At the beginning of the year in New York when 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:57.280 the wind was swirling, their stuff was going everywhere. So again, 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.600 those are all fun to watch, but those would be 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.559 the two I think that I think River's cutter I 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.240 would love to see today. I would love to see 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.120 that because I think a lot of people would maybe 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.080 change their mind on chasing just pure raw total movement, 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:12.920 if that makes sense. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.000 True, true, So I'm going to give you a fan 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.520 question here. This is from m Jr. Asking who the 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.800 best second basement in baseball is. I'm curious what your 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.720 answer would be that I think I have a feeling 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.319 what you're going to say, But talk to me about 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:29.439 your guy over there. 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.520 Yeah, I mean, obviously, I got to see Ozzy Ozzie 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:39.880 playing in Atlanta for a long time, but seeing some 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.880 of the some of the things that Ka Tell Marte 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.640 does on a daily basis, is pretty wild. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.000 We knew he was he was going to catch fire here. 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:48.440 I think I saw a stat the other day that 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.679 he had like twenty five balls hit over one hundred 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:57.559 miles an hour go for outs this year, and we 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.640 knew it was about to happen. But again, it's pretty 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.920 silly to look at a second basement and see that 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.040 stature and see what he can do and how fast 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:07.480 he can. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:08.800 Move his hands and that barrel. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.719 So yeah, obviously I'm partial now, but he's definitely the 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.160 most impressive I think I've ever seen. 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.079 All Right, did you see the whole pitch tipping slash 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.480 being relayed from the dugout with the Cardinals and Brewers Series. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.160 I didn't get the whole thing. I got the gist, Yeah, 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.920 I didn't get the lowdown. I didn't hear from anybody 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.320 on either of those teams. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:32.679 Though you have. 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.200 Any crazy pitch tipping through your time of trying to 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.720 figure out why somebody is getting hitting you or where 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.560 like somebody came up to you, you have any cool pitch 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:43.960 tipping stories. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.000 I was for a period of time at the beginning 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.199 of twenty four my hands were kind of coming up 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.920 too high on fastballs that were coming up higher. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.320 There's always some interesting ones. I guess. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.120 The only one that gets me a little bit is 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:04.679 Josh Naylor last year. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:05.480 And I know Josh. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.520 I've played with Josh on the junior national team when 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.520 we were sixteen seventeen with team in. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:17.160 Canada, and last year he got me again. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.480 He's so far had my number in the big leagues 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.800 and got me last year when we were in Arizona, 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.760 and after the game it just kind of said, look like, 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:30.360 I don't even know that you were tipping. I could 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.720 just see something different in your delivery on off speed 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.360 and I don't know if I necessarily bought it, but 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.840 it did feel like literally everything I threw him. 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:40.560 He was on like he knew it. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:45.040 And you know, there's little things that you'll see all 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.760 the time. You'll just see some swings on pitches that 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.960 typically don't get hit or get hit hard. You always 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.080 got to be careful about it. But again, we've got 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:55.920 a pretty good team over here in Arizona to make 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.200 sure that they're staying on, that they're watching us like 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:03.240 a hawk, as if they're trying to pick us. And yeah, 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.240 it's it's it's a tough thing because all of a sudden, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.080 it makes it makes pitching much much, much harder than 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:09.720 it needs to be. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.040 Does that get in your head at all? 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.960 Because we I used to play with Chase Suttley, and 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.320 Chase Sutley would run to the mound when we didn't 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.320 have mound visit issues and he put his hand overs, 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.199 he put his glove over his mouth, be like, hey, 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.800 you're tipping, and then he'd go run back to second 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.120 base and I was like like, at. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.560 Least tell like what what what was he doing? 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:29.800 Like? 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.160 Does that make you? Does that make you a worse pitcher? 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.880 Even if you don't know what the tip is? Like 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.000 it's like telling somebody, hey, you run weird? And then 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.440 every time you run you're like, what is it and 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:43.640 what am I doing wrong? 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:45.360 Yeah? 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:47.520 I think if you especially if you don't know what 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.960 it is, you almost gotta change something in that moment. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:57.280 It definitely can make you second guess things sometimes, you know. 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:01.720 I think again, you gotta be careful with sometimes just 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.080 realizing that maybe they just put a good, good swing 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.520 on the ball, maybe you're not tipping. You know, they're 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.360 pretty good too. There is sometimes where hitters go through 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.280 a lineup and everybody just gets good swings off or 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.560 they happen to guess right, So you gotta be careful 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.520 not spiraling down. But yeah, I think if you didn't 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.960 know what you were doing and somebody told you were tipping, 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.000 I think you'd be better off just trying to change 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.000 your entire your entire setup at that point. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.120 Do you have any connection with Corbyn Burns as he's 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.520 rehabbing here or has he kind of been? I mean 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.720 the facility is still in Arizona. Is he hanging around 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:40.440 with you guys? 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.920 Yeah, he's been around a ton. He's been at Chase 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.480 a good bit. When we're at home. He stayed and 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.840 watched a lot of games. I didn't realize until until 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:53.040 I met him, how how into doing his homework and 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.560 his scouting reports he is personally. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.800 So I've been kind of asking him questions here. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.320 And there about what he looks for and how he determines, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.920 you know, which guys he's gonna mix in. Essentially, is 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.800 his sinker too, which is more like my cutter? I 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.000 guess I would say, because obviously his cutter is his thing, 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:15.360 and that's you know, ninety seven mile hour cut bowling balls. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.640 But on the other end, he needs to mix in 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.480 the other one to try and you know, drive hitters off, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.400 and that's kind of what I've added my cutter for. 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:30.080 So I think, you know, having him around has been 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.640 invaluable and I'm really looking forward to seeing him get 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.960 back in the rotation and let a rip. I know 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.520 he's been itching and get back and he's tired of 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.040 throwing bullpens, so it'll be a lot of fun. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.600 Have you heard him say anything, Because the reason I 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.480 asked is obviously he's a possible a So you guys 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.920 can add into your rotation here coming down to stretch 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.280 for the season. But when I listen to you, I 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.000 don't know you at all. Other than from being on 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.840 the show, I hear a lot of similarities. Is there 0:15:55.880 --> 0:16:00.240 anything that he says to you that resonates where you're like, oh, Okay, 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.200 I can go out and do this, or is there 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.040 anything that you've been able to say, Hey, you know what, 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.560 I went through two years of this and it was 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.480 able to bring him up because you guys seem like 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.720 you have the same, like very methodical vari Maybe it's 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.440 just the hair, Maybe it's just the hair and beard 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.400 that makes it the same. But have you guys been 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.000 able to connect on those two ends of it? 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:23.120 You know? 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.280 I think the one similarity to a doocye is is, 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.480 you know, having to kind of make your own way 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.560 a little bit in so far as what you want 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.200 to do as a pitcher. I know, he decided he 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.800 was going to lean into the fact that he basically 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.960 couldn't make the ball ride like everybody was trying to 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.520 do in you know, in nineteen twenty twenty one, everybody 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.440 was trying to get the rise ball going, and he 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.200 eventually just kind of said, screw it, I'm going to 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.320 lean into what I'm good at and that's it, and 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.440 I'm going to be stubborn with it and then all 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.320 of a sudden, it wasn't probably one year later and 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:02.160 he was, you know, competing for a SII, And Yeah, 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.240 I think there is that similarity a little bit when 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.480 you get to a point where you figure out that 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.600 your path is your own and you're going to make 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.840 it that He went through that and got to do 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.080 all of those things that come with it, and got 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.840 to learn and got to keep pitching, and it's actually 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.160 very similar to kind of what I saw Max Freed 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.879 do in Atlanta. So these guys have gotten to the 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:26.960 point where they know exactly what they want to look 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.400 for and they know exactly how they want to compete. Again, 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.000 it's time that I missed being on the IL and 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.320 trying to learn from these guys' experiences is going to 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.960 help expedite the path that I want to be onto. 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.399 So I'm going to use every bit of them. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.840 Yeah, it's been cool. We're talking earlier about how the 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.680 team's getting Corbyn back and then Ajpuck and Justin Martinez 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.119 slated to return for the bullpen this season. There's some 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.160 reinforcements that are going to help a team that already 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.520 looks good. So it's been fun. We always enjoy the combo. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.240 Thanks Michael, really appreciate the time. Keep doing your thing. 0:17:58.240 --> 0:17:59.840 It's been a fun watch and we'll catch up with. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.199 You all right, guys, thank you for having me. 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.119 Here's a tweet from Tim Kelly Sports. The Phillies are 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.240 going to be done playing the Cubs, the Giants, and 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:11.240 the Padres before ever playing the Mets. That makes zero sense. 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.760 So we were just picking on the Phillies for this. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.960 But Todd, we always get complaints. Hey, my team's not 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.359 playing this team until this time. It's not all going 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:20.560 to be perfect. Could it be better? 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:20.879 Yes? 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.439 My thing that I have the bigger issue with is 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.760 when two teams don't play each other for a long 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.080 period of time, or even have a season series that 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.800 ends so early, and you'd like to see a division 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.119 rivalry with the top two teams play each other. I 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.240 have more of a problem with that, I think right now. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.320 I mean, I guess it doesn't really matter because the 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.000 Giants aren't good this year, but I don't think the 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.320 Giants and Dodgers play each other again until like September, 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.879 mid September. I just like a little bit of balance 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.600 with the divisions. I care a little less about the 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.440 very beginning of the season, more about the middle and 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.359 the end for the division to match up when the 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.919 standings get paid more closely at attention to. 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.400 Yeah, and I think Cubs, Giants, and Padres they're all 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.640 really good teams, so down the stretch, Listen, the Phillies 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.280 might have a little easier schedule, so that might help 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:11.720 them too. Yeah, I don't understand that. I think you'd 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:13.880 want to play those teams in the beginning, a little 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.040 bit in the middle, and then a lot at the end. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.720 But it's a tough job to figure all that out. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.280 But again, Phillies, I think the Phillies would have the 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.440 upper hand here knowing that they haven't played. They're not 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.120 going to be playing these really good teams down the stretch. 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.560 Right, and then they will get the Mets depending on 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.000 what happens. This is the other big factor Krantz is 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.879 if you get teams post trade deadline and they strip parts, 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:38.960 sometimes those teams are not that good.