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Speaker 1: Hey want to welcome and I'm Doug Godi Ben. This

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Speaker 1: is All Ball Um. Our last podcast had Sky Eton,

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Speaker 1: who of course and assisting at Princeton. This is part two.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the h the last season for the

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Speaker 1: IVY League, when they um, when there was when when

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Speaker 1: there was COVID obviously, and then um, well, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the IVY League now and what's changed, what it's like,

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Speaker 1: how do you recruit there? Do they have unlimited spots

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Speaker 1: on a basketball team because they don't have scholarships. Plus

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Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit about what we learned coaching

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Speaker 1: together overseas with the Maccabi Games team. All that upcoming

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Speaker 1: on the All Ball Podcast. I did want to dive

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Speaker 1: in kind of quickly to the latest and the Joe

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Speaker 1: met in London earlier this week. It got out that

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant basically did the reverse Jimmy Chitwood right, coach goes,

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Speaker 1: I stay, it was was what he said, Coach stays,

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Speaker 1: I go um. And then it came out that Kyrie

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Speaker 1: feels much the same way, which makes you want to

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Speaker 1: believe or maybe makes me believe that it's Kyrie and

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Speaker 1: Katie reflecting on Kyrie's thoughts, Like Katie didn't have any

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Speaker 1: issues with Sean Marks until Kyrie had an issue with

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Speaker 1: Sean Marks and the head coach and the GM are

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Speaker 1: really close friends from having played together and have him,

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Speaker 1: you know, pulling him in and look, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if if Steve Nash is good enough as head coach,

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Speaker 1: but I also don't know either those guys, especially Kyrie Irving,

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Speaker 1: is coachable. But the fascinating part was Joe said going

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Speaker 1: on social media and supporting his front office Sean Marks

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Speaker 1: that he's taking in the them or me. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember that happening anytime recently, or at least publicly, maybe

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Speaker 1: even privately with superstar NBA, superstar NBA players, and make

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it, those guys are superstars. I think

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Speaker 1: it says something about Joe Sigh, what he wants, what

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Speaker 1: he's seen. This team devolved into what the team was

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Speaker 1: like before they acquired both those two players, and it

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Speaker 1: has to say a ton about Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: but once that once that tweet was sent, that I

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Speaker 1: have full support from my coaching staff in my front office.

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Speaker 1: The divorce proceedings commenced. Kevin Durant won't play for them anymore, Kyrie.

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Speaker 1: Everyone won't play for them anymore. Where I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Boston seems like, you know, they were somewhere in between.

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Speaker 1: We want Marcus Smart and Boston want to trade Marcus Smart.

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Speaker 1: My guess is that Marcus Smart does not become part

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Speaker 1: of the deal, but somebody el who's valuable does, and

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Speaker 1: you know, Jayson Tatum along with Kevin Durant would be amazing,

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Speaker 1: of our talk with the sky At assistant coach at Princeton.

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Speaker 1: Your second year you won the league right, your your

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Speaker 1: was you had the kind of the Harvard run. But

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Speaker 1: They won a couple of tournament games. I started to

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Speaker 1: want to say had fallen off, but you guys had

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Speaker 1: that first championship like amazing. So I'll just take a

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Speaker 1: step back. So my first year, we had a bunch

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Speaker 1: We kind of phase through this process and we're practicing,

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00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: but we don't have a season, so we're just like

427
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: we really used it as a spirit of development, like

428
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: we had a ton of fun. Like we really used

429
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: it as getting better individually collectively. Um. And so that

430
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: was really of the spirit of improvement because you don't

431
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: have something like you're not it was it was actually

432
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: like refreshing because during the season, like you're preparing for

433
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: the next game all the time, right, even when preseason

434
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: you're preparing for you know, to build this team and

435
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: put it together. Now you're just getting better every single day.

436
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: There's you know, you're coming in and getting better, right,

437
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: and so it was a cool experience. It was different, right,

438
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: but it was a cool experience. Next year, you guys

439
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: come back and you get all the way to the

440
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: IVY League Championship game, and again it's kind of the

441
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: perfect setup where you had split with you in the

442
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: regular season, now you play them for a third time.

443
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: The right to go back to the n c A

444
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: tournament was what was experienced. Like, you know, just it

445
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: was such a it's a hard year because you're you're

446
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: going from not playing to now like you have this

447
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: really good team. We had a bunch of seniors that

448
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: were really good that had one more shot when they

449
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: just had something taken away from right. So, um, it

450
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: was a challenging year, but we were you know, we

451
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 1: won the IVY League regular season, which I thought was

452
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: a credit to everything that we put in and and

453
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: did in COVID, like staying together, having everyone stay you know,

454
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: having zoom calls, having connecting with each other, like I thought,

455
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, that was we won that regular season because

456
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: of the work that we did in COVID. Year, um,

457
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: which was special. You know, we had a really good team,

458
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, this past year. And then we play Yale

459
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: and the you know, we played first, we played Cornell.

460
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: We were the first seat because we won the regular season.

461
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: Cornell in the first round, who was totally different than

462
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: our league. They press you all game. Uh, they're fast,

463
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: They're one of the highest tempos in the country. Uh.

464
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: And it was like a championship game, right. We went

465
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth, and you know, we

466
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: won that and it was, you know, a really hard game.

467
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: And then we play Yale with but with like you said,

468
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: and we just you know, we didn't play our best

469
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: and credit to them, they you know, they did a

470
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: good job guarding us. And you know, we had one

471
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: of the best offense in the country. Were top ten

472
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: in scoring, top ten, assist turnover ratio top ten, and

473
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: three point percentage top ten and three's made like we

474
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: had one of the best offenses in prison history, right, Um.

475
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: And you know that game, that last game, our defense

476
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: was fine, but offensively we just could never get in

477
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: a float, right, and you know, credit to Yale, and

478
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: but that was that was really hard. That was a

479
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: tough loss for sure, But he doesn't you mentioned you

480
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 1: mentioned the scoring. Yeah, um, I would say perception wise

481
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: until you tell people they don't know, right, They think

482
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: Princeton even though it's been years since Peke Rill is there.

483
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: I think Princeton offense. I think to slow it down.

484
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: They think in the in the forties. How has Mitch

485
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: taken most of what he played under and turned it

486
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: into this high powered, super efficient offense. He's done a

487
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: really good job of you know, he's he we had

488
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: the the principles of coach Kill and you know, the space,

489
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: seeing the cutting, the ball movement, the playing together, the

490
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: skill like we have all that right. We emphasize that

491
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: all the time. Like, I don't think any any program

492
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: in the country values passing more than we do because

493
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: Mitch values it. Right. He was a really good player,

494
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: is a really good pastor. However, we also know that

495
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: we're getting better athletes, better players, right, Um, so we

496
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: have a chance to play faster, and he's really encouraged

497
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: the guys to play faster, make reads faster, think faster.

498
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: I think the game like he constantly says to the guys,

499
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 1: what do you see right? And he really truly means, like,

500
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: what do you see out there. And so he's done

501
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: a really good job of giving guys more freedom, um

502
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: to play and play a little looser, play, a little

503
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: faster with keeping you know, some of the you know,

504
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: iconic principles of Prince and basketball. Do you was his

505
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: how much does he lets you guys coach? He lets

506
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: his coach the time like we he's really you know,

507
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 1: he's got the the main voice right in practice, right,

508
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: he's really involved. He's you know, he's also on the

509
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: court with our guys in skill development for practice, like

510
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: which I think is probably rare for a head coach

511
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: to do. Like he before practice he'll be on the

512
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: court and he'll work with our guys. After practice, will

513
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: work with the guys like he's always on the court. Um.

514
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: But we have a really big voice, you know, we

515
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: do the scouts, like he lets us implement the game plan,

516
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: the defensive game plan. You know, we have a heavy

517
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: say in offense and we you know, we meet every

518
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: day to go through that. So you know, he's he's

519
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: been really good to you know, give myself personally, to

520
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: give me more responsibility each year. Um. But I think

521
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: collectively as a staff, you know, he does a good

522
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: job of you know, managing and giving everyone some responsibilities.

523
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: I mentioned that the IVY is um um, it is different.

524
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: So you have you do these trips where you do

525
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: Friday Saturday, right, and then they're always they're always the same,

526
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: like they are they always the same in terms of

527
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: the pairing of the teams that you play or they like,

528
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: do you always do Harvard and Dartmouth together? You always do? Yes? Yea.

529
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: So it's you have a quote unquote travel partner, which

530
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: is just the school that's closest to you. So our

531
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: travel partners Penn. So when you go up, you know Harvard, Dartmouth,

532
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: travel Yale Brown. So when you go up to play Harvard,

533
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: you play. If you play Harvard on Friday, Pen's playing

534
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: Dartmouth on Friday Saturday, we play Dartmouth, Penn plays Harvard.

535
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: So um, however, last year was the first you know,

536
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: it used to be an eight week schedule. Now it's

537
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: a ten week schedule. Yes, so it's different last year correct,

538
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: So you don't have as many You have a couple

539
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: back to backs, but you don't have as many. Um

540
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: they are they going back or is that just because

541
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: of code? Like, what's what's the they changed it. They

542
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: changed it, um, so now it will be similar to

543
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: last year where it's a ten week schedule, a little

544
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: bit more drawn out. You have three maybe four back

545
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: to backs Friday Saturday, UM, and then you have one

546
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: you play, you know, Friday, Sun Day Martin Luther King

547
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: or Saturday Monday UM. And then you have a couple

548
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: of weekends where you just play on Saturday. Did you

549
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: like the back to legs? I did? I did? Like

550
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: it was it's really unique, right like you are you

551
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: have to figure out how to prepare for two teams

552
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: in one week, right uh, and then you have to

553
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: figure out how to quickly shift your focus to your

554
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 1: Saturday game as soon as you're front, no matter if

555
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: it went good, bad and different, like, you gotta get Saturday,

556
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter how you did Friday, right. So um,

557
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: it's quite the adjustment for sure. So I did appreciate it.

558
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: I thought was so like, like, okay, Cornell and Columbia

559
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: were together right there? So those how many how many

560
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: hours to Cornell from Columbia or did you drive after

561
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: the game and you drive the extend we drive right

562
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: after the game, So rest and recovery become the number

563
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: one thing to success. So what is what are the

564
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: And again I know that that it's not the true

565
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: back can back to backs all the time now, but

566
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: what were the old rules of Like did you always

567
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: want to play like? Well, I guess that Harvard wasn't

568
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: always good, but when Harvard's good? Like did you want

569
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: to play Dartmouth first or Darkmus second? Really you always

570
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: want to do what and you never want to see

571
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: this on your schedule? Yeah? I mean you want to

572
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: play the better team first because you have a little

573
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: bit you can gear your focus towards preparation, I think

574
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more right, The second game usually comes

575
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: down to uh, guts toughness, who's in better shape, you know,

576
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: who's more rested. The first game is more tactical, preparation based. Um.

577
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: But they're all all trips a little different. Like Cornell

578
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Columbia's four hours apart. Like you get into the hotel,

579
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, at two am, right, Um, Like that's a

580
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: really hard trip. You never you want to go to

581
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: Cornell first because you don't want to go New York

582
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: City all the way to Ithaca all the way back down. Um,

583
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: So each trip has a little bit different kind of

584
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: caveat to it um real quick. In terms of team personalities,

585
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned Cornell plays fast, they pressure pen their current

586
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: team style personalities, but they're they've changed. Actually, they were

587
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: very They ran a ton of plays. Um, they were

588
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: really good at executing, and they've kind of changed to

589
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: be more free flowing style as of late. This last

590
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: year was our first year. They had this kid, a J. Birder,

591
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: who was really one of the best bigs in the league.

592
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: They just played through them. They ran all these sets,

593
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: get him in the post, really harder guard. They lost

594
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: a J. He graduated, So now they've kind of changed

595
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more free flowing style. Dartmouth,

596
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: what's their style. Darmouth plays a lot of Princeton. Dartmouth

597
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: probably plays a little bit more even traditional prince than

598
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: we do. Columbia similar, which is you know crazy, Uh

599
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: they're running point and chin and you know all the

600
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of uh Princeton actions more so than we do. Um.

601
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 1: Harvard is pressure like pressure you the whole game than

602
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: I pass is up the lane, um pressure. Gail is tough,

603
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: physical athletic um. You know more of in the gaps.

604
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: Do what they do, don't change very much. But they're

605
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: really good at what they do. Um Brown Brown is

606
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: is they are very athletic. They've they've changed as well,

607
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: They've kind of recruited a little bit differently to be

608
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: a little bit unique. So they're really athletic, they're fast.

609
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: Mike Martin's done a really good job. They're of getting

610
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: some really talented players. H Um. Okay. I also want

611
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: to talk about our trip, yes, and the fever rules.

612
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: I still at at times, Doug, I still don't know

613
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: because you know, what was we thought was a travel

614
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: wasn't a travel and on mean, but that's that's interpretation

615
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: of rules. Okay, So I'm not about travel. I'm talking

616
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: about like I used to really not like the second

617
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: clock for college and now I'm like, there's plenty of time.

618
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: Especially now here's the thing, there's a push for quarters

619
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: in college basketball. Now under our current rules, quarters in

620
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: college basketball is just another time out, and we got

621
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: enough timeouts. So the reason I think quarters works is

622
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: the play is so free flowing in FIBA that you

623
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: almost need a fils. Let's let's take a little break here,

624
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about this. Yeah, and and so I

625
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: ended up really enjoying coaching it because it allows them

626
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: to go more. It allows you to Now it's it's

627
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: a completely different way because you don't have as much stoppage.

628
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: Is so you can't adjust your lineups, your eight there's

629
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: a lesser number of A T O, s UM and

630
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you noticed the games are

631
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: like an hour and a half. I mean that is

632
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: now college basketball the windows two hours. I don't know.

633
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: I kind of think, you know, it's an hour and

634
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: a half. I think people love it just because TV.

635
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: But you can get more games in more games and

636
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: more money. But you know, if it's too short, it's

637
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: too short. Tell me what you thought, because you live

638
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: the college game and then you coach. We coach together

639
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: with with I act you know similar to you. Like

640
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: I really like twenty four seconds because I feel like

641
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: it's a little bit even pure form of basketball. Like

642
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: it's you know, you got thirty seconds shot clock in

643
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: college right now, Like you know, teams are literally calling

644
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: a play every possession. You know, go to A to

645
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: B two C two D right, and like when you

646
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: have twenty four seconds, like you have to teach your

647
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: guys how to play and let them do it, like

648
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: you can't be more hierarchy in my opinion. So I

649
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: actually like really appreciated a free flowing style, especially on

650
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: the offensive end of seconds. So you're up and down.

651
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: Your players have to do it. They have to think

652
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: the game a little bit faster, um, Like, you have

653
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: to really value some of that skill and development piece

654
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: to it even more so, so I like the pace

655
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: of it. I thought it was a neat thing and

656
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: good for basketball, to be honest. Okay, So if you

657
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: are setting the rules the sky et and rules of basketball,

658
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: eight seconds or ten seconds, tore across mid court, eight seconds,

659
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: second shot clock? Quarters? Yeah, how do you do the

660
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: time out thing? Right? So in college basketball, right, you

661
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: have three mandatory TV timeouts, So if you did quarters,

662
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: that would be one you do just do it at

663
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: five at Yeah, that's what the women do because the

664
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: women have quarters, um, and so they do media timeouts

665
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: at five obviously they get okay, But then what would

666
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: you do with the coaches timeouts? Because if you do that,

667
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: now you have do you have the coaches having two

668
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: time outs like in the first half like they do

669
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: in FIBA, worould you give them the I think if

670
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: you do the same four and one is the user

671
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: lose it in the first half. I think then you'd

672
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: have max, right, you'd have one, two, three, four or five.

673
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: You have five stoppages. That's still a lot. It's a lot,

674
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: but it's not as much as sometimes and you know,

675
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: with you need a little bit more of a stoppage

676
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: to get guys a little bit of a break. So

677
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: the quality of basketball a little bit better, right, Like

678
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: you can't just keep going, keep going, keep going. Allow

679
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: you are allowed the sub. You are allowed the sub.

680
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: But there's something to be said for like you know,

681
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: having your media timeouts and your break and you're you

682
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: know regrouping, uh, And that's how you know, momentum shifts

683
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: and comebacks happen and things like that. So you know,

684
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: I do think the time outs, you know, are crucial.

685
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: I like I do like the no uh, the no

686
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: basket interference. I mean, we didn't really have we don't

687
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: have any guys like that, but I think that's a

688
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: that that competitiveness on the offensive glasses. Yeah, it's interesting.

689
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: It's interesting. You know, we, like you said, like we

690
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: didn't experience that as much, uh, but it's a really

691
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: interesting idea where you can just grab it off the

692
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: rim like chance, you though, I don't know. I mean,

693
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, in the college game, in

694
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: the pearl game, you know, NBA, like you have these

695
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: dudes that are can hang up there forever. You know,

696
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: like it might totally change you know, you might recruit

697
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: somebody just just you know, take the ball off the rim.

698
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: You would, right, like you would just have someone down

699
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: there that could literally just take the ball off the

700
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: rim every time. I think so, I think it would.

701
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: You know, with Feeble its less athletic than in the States,

702
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: so it makes a little bit more sense. I think

703
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it would change the game in

704
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: a lot of ways in my opinion, if you let

705
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, the American bring that to the US. How

706
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: crazy is how physical those games are crazy? That was

707
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: to me the most shocking, And I like, there's no

708
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: such thing as an elite like college illegal screen as

709
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: if you like blank while you're setting a screen over there,

710
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: you can literally take guys out with screens. It's unreal. Yeah,

711
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: the physicality is crazy. It's just crazy, just like what

712
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: just happened. Yeah, it's also why I like, you know,

713
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: you hear about European style and it's so much ball

714
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: screen motion so much. Well, yeah, you know makes sense

715
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: you can kill guys on ball screens, like you create

716
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: so much space in ball screens. Okay, what was the

717
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: did you did you bring back anything to midch like,

718
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: hey man, I saw this or just some my saw

719
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: and like I'd really like to take a look at this. Well,

720
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: I think we talked, and you know, we're actually gonna

721
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: start practice here next week because we're going to Spain

722
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: for a foreign tour. But um, I really, you know,

723
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: I thought we did some really good things on offense.

724
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: I really like twisting ball screens, like the rescreen action,

725
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: like bring them off twisted. I think it's some possible guard. Yes, yes, um,

726
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: I thought we did some really good things on offense

727
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: that you put in. Um So I would like for

728
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: us to do a little bit more rescreen action, like

729
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: we haven't done that as much in the past. I

730
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: think it's a possible to guard. Um. I also really liked,

731
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: you know, France to this a couple of times where

732
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: they threw it in the post just to throw it

733
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: out of the post to come step up screen right,

734
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: and that's you know, you have someone spreading at you.

735
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: You can't see him behind you. And now you're going baseline.

736
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: The screens are set baseline and you have all this

737
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: room to kind of operate and work and find the

738
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, hit the short roll. Um. So I think

739
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: from from those two perspectives, Um, those are things that

740
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to try to hopefully, you know,

741
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: put in with us in five years. Where do you

742
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: want to be Division one head coach? That's uh, that's

743
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: the goal Division one head coach. So you know, trying

744
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: to work towards whatever path takes me there in Princeton

745
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: has been unbelievably good to me to prepare me for that.

746
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: What does what does the IVY League look like? Or

747
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: that level of basketball where school does matter look like?

748
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: With a changing landscape, not just in i L, but

749
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: the big conferences as well. Yeah, it's interesting. I think

750
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: before some of the changing landscape, like the IVY League

751
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: has been getting better each year, right because it's more affordable.

752
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: People are more educated about what an IVY League degree

753
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: can do for you. So we're getting top hundred kids

754
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: in the league. You know, you can recruit anyone like

755
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: as long as they're academically inclined, you can recruit them

756
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: Now I think in I L. I think Dive Lead

757
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: is gonna get rolling on that too. So I don't

758
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: worry as much about that. Um, but I worry about

759
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: just for mid major low major programs in general, all

760
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: of this conference realignment because it's almost you know, you

761
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: worry about almost becoming like uh football subdivision, right where

762
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: the power fives just play against the power fives. Right,

763
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: And the beauty of basketball is the parody and equity

764
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: and being able to you know, last year we beat

765
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: organ State, organ State would beat South Carolin ESPN. Like

766
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of college basketball that anyone can beat anyone, right, Um,

767
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: So you worry a little bit about you know, uh,

768
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: the conferenceorary alignment for sure changing it. They're gonna have

769
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: n ls in the IVY, I mean I know they can,

770
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: you have successful alms. Yeah, I think so, you know

771
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna be different. It's not gonna be the type

772
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: of NLS that you know we're seeing. Uh yeah, yeah,

773
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's totally different ballgame, right, Like you

774
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: mentioned afford to do it. I want to circle back this.

775
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: So if your parents make less than what's seventy five grand? Yeah,

776
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: you you qualify, you qualify for complete financial ay yea

777
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: somewhere right around that. Each year it changes. Each year

778
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: they're making it more affordable. Each school is a little

779
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: bit different. But they do a really good job. You know.

780
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: Princeton and the IVY League is non merit based, meaning

781
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: they want anyone that's capable to be at Princeton to

782
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: be able to come to Princeton. Right, Um, so they

783
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: make it affordable. There's each different brackets they change each year.

784
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: They actually take specific circumstances in we really don't We

785
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: don't have any saying that like we submit, we don't

786
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: even submit. The family submits their financial profile. They go

787
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: through all these different paperwork, Princeton specific paperwork, and they

788
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: get to read financial aid, read about how much aid

789
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: that they're given. Um. But it's become more affordable each

790
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: year for each family. M that's amazing, that's really interesting.

791
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: Right Like that Again, I don't think I think that

792
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: the ivys do a really good job, but I agree

793
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: with you. I'm not sure people understood how much better

794
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: the talent is, or how much more affordable it is

795
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: than's than it's ever been even. I mean, it makes

796
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: sense because the product to anybody who's watching has been

797
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: far better than the last decade that it was pretty said.

798
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: That's not that those teams weren't good, but there wasn't

799
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: the depth of talent link for sure. I mean it's

800
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's some really good players in our league.

801
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: You got pro players, NBA players like you have really

802
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: talented players that are coming into our league because the

803
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to do both at a really high level. And

804
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, no matter they play

805
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: an NBA they put overseas like Princeton Ivy League. Degree

806
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: is going to put you in a lot of circles

807
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't have opportunities to be in, right, And

808
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of And you know it's I'm watching

809
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: our guys, whether they play beyond college or not, Like

810
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: the success that they're having is is really cool to watch. Well,

811
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: it was awesome to coach that I learned a ton

812
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: from you personally saying obviously, just like the guys, I

813
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: feel like fans for life. I want to do this

814
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: again after Spain. I want to hear about what what

815
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: coaching in Spain is like. Definitely, the Lord I'm feeling

816
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: already know, right, you show my video will be falling

817
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: on the floor. You don't act like this. Yeah, it's funny.

818
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: Was that was like the last time I yelled at

819
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: the refs like like it's just not even worth it. Yeah,

820
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: you had to settle me down a couple of times.

821
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: So yes, yes, half time that champions your game? Would

822
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: you go tell them it's I'm like, what am I

823
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: going to tell them? Tell them you're bad the whole time?

824
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: They've been bad for seven half of them, you know,

825
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: after you started, uh, you know, being nice to the refs,

826
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, I probably do. We switched.

827
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: We did a good bap like now I'll be good copy. Yeah,

828
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: you know it was it was my duty to the

829
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: staff to you know, starting to get on him a

830
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: little bit. And they told me to sit down quite

831
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: a few times. So that was funny. And be like

832
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: we'll tell him to sit down, he's not sitting down.

833
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: Sit down, sit down. I will sit down. Sometimes it's

834
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of a you know, sometimes you just

835
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: gotta play the game a little bit, you know, just

836
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: let them know you're here. You know. Well, if you

837
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: ever crossed, we just know I had pictures. Yeah, great trip,

838
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: great trip in a lot of ways. I was lucky

839
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: to do it. Learned a lot from you how to

840
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: blast and like you said, definitely lifelong friends and family. Well,

841
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: so you got eleven days getting it for spaying at

842
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: that passport getting the stamp in it. Okay, sounds good?

843
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: Many thanks? All right, take care. Reminded, The Doug Otlip

844
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,720
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845
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,960
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846
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,680
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Speaker 1: that in podcast form as well. Are we get more

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Speaker 1: to the Kevin Durant stuff. I also want to continue

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Speaker 1: discussion about FIBA basketball. I'm gonna bring on some of

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Speaker 1: the guys that I coached over there as well. I

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Speaker 1: hope do you like listening to Sky is a great dude,

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Speaker 1: obviously an amazing story and makes you want to watch

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Speaker 1: Princeton basketball even more. Don't thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug got like this is all ball